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Seven Thoughts for Seven Games (Thoughts 5-6)

| October 24th, 2016

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Thought 5. On the Coaching Staff

A point on each of the three major coaches on this staff.

  • Agree wholeheartedly with Adam Jahns’ belief that it is impossible to come to a conclusion on John Fox due to the number of injuries this roster has sustained. Has he been good in-game? I laid out my rationale from moving on from Fox just a week ago. But there won’t be serious pressure on Fox until he’s playing with a somewhat-full roster or possibly until September, 2017.
  • Dowell Loggains found his rhythm as a play caller after the Dallas game but much of that has to do with improvement along the offensive line allowing the run game to thrive. Loggains had his starting QB for six quarters against two solid defenses and then made Brian Hoyer look like the second coming of Chad Pennington. I mean, Loggains himself can’t throw the ball to Alshon Jeffery when he’s wide open in the end zone.

  • Vic Fangio is a damn good football coach. And the Bears are building a bully defense.

Thought 6. On the Young Talent & Rebuilding

I see the young talent. I understand the arrows are pointing up at positions across the field. But before we talk about this as a rebuild I have to ask one question…

Who is the quarterback in 2017? Until we have an answer to that question, it is impossible to gauge the status of the organization.

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  • SC Dave

    First, I have to say I put this out there about three weeks ago:

    “Dowell Loggains found his rhythm as a play caller after the Dallas game but much of that has to do with improvement along the offensive line allowing the run game to thrive.”

    At the beginning of the season the line was pretty much brand new. Only Long and Leno were from before, and they were playing with unfamiliar players next to them. It was almost inevitable they would get better.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Wasn’t a typo. But I get why the sentence didn’t read well. Was arguing that Loggains can’t throw the passes, the shitty QBs have to.

      • SC Dave

        Ah… yeah that. Ain’t language an interesting thing?

  • Irish Sweetness

    I’m not buying Fangio. Minny v Philly – that was defense. Philly’s defense takes the damn ball away from you. Six times in the first half they took it from Minny. We’re not playing the same sport.

    • Scharfinator

      Really? I think Vic could do that well if he had the same stable of horses.

      • DaBearsBlog

        You’re really comparing Minnesota’s defensive talent to Chicago’s? What role do Bausby and LeBlanc play in the Minnesota secondary? And for those who want see more blitzing, fine. Who are you then exposing at the back end when you don’t get home.

        • MB30SD

          It’s just Irish, and he wants terry williams, fred fales, bill fredricksonson to all be starters all off the PS next week.

          He also believes in little green men and is really an irishmen but lives in thailand…. alas we loves him anyway

        • Scharfinator

          Who me? or Irish

          • CanadaBear

            Pretty sure he meant to reply to Irish.

    • Fangio DID blitz vs GB, and got pressure.

      At least three of those blitzes Rodgers converted (and this was BEFORE the D got Barkleyed).

      Look at the tape again.

      Early in the year I agree that Fangio was playing very vanilla, but that might’ve been cuz he was still evaluating all his new personnel – Tre, Freeman, Floyd, Bullard, Quartely and the influx of CBs.

      But the last two-three games he has become a bit more aggressive, and the D has made some stops (including the goaline stand).

      Only problem is that scheme can only make up for lack of talent up until a point, and NO D will be able to hold up with those 3andouts/TOs Cutty and Barkley will offer.

  • CanadaBear

    The rebuild will be QBed by Hoyer mentoring the first rd pick. Cutler will be elsewhere and the rebuild will be in full swing. Not sure who the first rd QB will be but I’m guessing he will have this tremendous upside because he’s so physically talented, he just has this one glaring flaw they can fix.

    • MB30SD

      Int/sack-fummble to td ratio?

    • willbest

      Could we please consider how stupid that sounds? John Fox, in his last year of coaching in the NFL, is handed the anticipated franchise QB1 to evaluate and develop.

      • CanadaBear

        Don’t shoot the messenger.

        • willbest

          I want to shoot the Owners and GM if that is the plan.

          • CanadaBear

            Look at it this way, it would be following the Cubs plan by tanking due to a terrible roster.

          • willbest

            But baseball players have 20 years and less injury risk. Long is baller, but how long do you think he has in the NFL?

          • CanadaBear

            After this season, who knows? Honestly the Bears are at least 3-4 blue chippers and a few more other upgrades away from contending for a SB. Unless Pace drafts those blue chippers you know he’s not going to break the bank for them in FA. Kyle’s the only real blue chipper we have (maybe Alshon but that’s a stretch).

          • willbest

            Don’t forget freeman.

          • CanadaBear

            I really like him but I hesitate to call him a blue chipper. Same with Sitton. To me, they seem like Alshon. Really good but just a notch below the best guys. What do I know?

          • BerwynBomber

            I’d argue Alshon is a blue-chipper/elite, but I see your point. Conference-wise, he is not quite in that Bryant/Jones/ODB class.

          • CanadaBear

            We’re splitting hairs for sure. I hope all of those guys are around for a while. They are all very good players. It will be interesting to see if Pace will pay up for Alshon or let him walk. I can’t believe they would tag him again. That would be a $17.9 Mil price tag.

    • Sactowns#1

      Does anyone believe the Bears will draft a QB?! I sure as hell don’t.

      • CanadaBear

        I do because it will give Pace a 2-3 year window (grace period). I can’t believe Pace is going down with a QB he never picked (Cutler).

    • PaceBot 2000

      If Hoyer is gong to mentor our new QB then I’m finding a new fucking team to watch.
      lol, that was funny Canada.

  • willbest

    Didn’t Jeff call for Fox’s removal a couple days ago or was that AD?

  • BerwynBomber

    Too bad Browning is an underclassman. He has looked the best of what college ball I have seen. He and Rosen could give the 2018 draft a little Winston/Mariota feel if they both declare.

    After Watson, don’t know what’s good available in the ’17 draft. Pace deserves some credit for pursuing Mariota (damn I wish we had him) and was supposedly high on Huntley but the fact that he drafted no one is a dereliction of duty — albeit all too common with our franchise’s drafting a QB allergy.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if next year is Cutler and Shaw, that is if Shaw is fully healed and Cutler can accept a one year deal.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      why would Jay have to accept a one year deal? Isn’t he signed through 2020?

      • willbest

        I think it is more that he needs to get comfortable in the his days are numbered category and not pull a Bradford, but considering how well Jay handled the shit show that was 2014, I think that it is pretty obvious Jay has figured out how to do public relations.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Drew Rosen has regressed, mightily, this season.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, I noticed, though I wonder if it will be enough to scare off scouts and GMs.

  • willbest

    I would love for the Cubs to do this in 4 or 5 and win this at Wrigley, but I think this series is going to go 6 games.

    • CanadaBear

      Hoping for a sweep. Cleveland can run and will make life miserable for Lester and Arietta if they get on. I know they have good pitching and the Cubs struggle the first time they see a pitcher. Overall this should be a good series but I’m hoping the Cubs bats get on a roll and their pitching and D remain steady. If that happens, they should win.

  • Sactowns#1

    I jut wrote this to a friend and then I see Jeff posing the question so….
    A LOT of teams will be looking for a QB in this draft.
    Unfortunately the NFL has made QB far too valuable of a position and everyone
    is scrambling. SF, NYJ, Chi, Cle, all HAVE to find a new QB. Az,
    Jax, Minni, and LA probably all want to find a new QB. This is how guys
    like Brock get big contracts. It would be completely un-Bears like to
    draft a QB so I think picking up someone like Fitz or Jimmy G is most likely.

    • Bender McLugh

      not Fitzy

    • Bender McLugh

      why not Brees? Aren’t his days in NO numbered?

      • Sactowns#1

        No way is he trying to go to a cold weather team with terrible turf.

        • Bender McLugh

          fair point as well

      • willbest

        Saints can’t quit Brees. The Cap hit is too brutal.

        • Bender McLugh

          fair point

      • AlbertInTucson

        They just restructered Brees.

        • Bender McLugh

          a fella can dream…

    • willbest

      So after giving up a left nut to get Goff they are already to move on from him out in LA?

      Minny isn’t in a position to move on from Bradford next year what with not drafting until the end of the second round.

      • Sactowns#1

        I never said Minni will draft a QB. I imagine they will try to find someone in FA or make a trade. But that may be a year or two down the road.

    • It’s a real possibility that CLE and SF draft higher than us.

      NYJ will be right there with us, and other teams like the Jags or Fins might throw in the towel on their young QBs.

      And it’s not supposed to be a “strong” Qb class, though no one can really predict that.

      If we must choose the 3rd best QB, or have to pay a king’s ransom to move up, then I say we ride with Hoyer/Shaw and maybe draft a “developmental” QB in the 4rth.

      Though there is the argument that next draft is as high as we’re getting to the #1 overall, so might as well go all in

      In some ways, we’re in the fate of hands when it comes to finding that true franchise QB.

      • Sactowns#1

        I say trade our 2nd to get Staley and our 1st to get jimmy G.

        • I actually think it might be possible to get Jimmy G for a 2nd, esp a high one.

          We still need that blue chip pass rusher which we might finally be able to get.

          Plus, anything that leaves the Pats tends to suck out of that environment.

          The only one guy who still excelled was Seymour on the Raiders, and even he wasn’t as good as when on the Pats.

          Not saying no, but it does give me pause.

          • Sactowns#1

            I say shore up the O-line first. Dominant D lines last 1-3 years. Dominant o-lines can last almost a decade.

          • That’s a good point, but teams can kinda scheme around a decent Oline. (Chip blocks, double TEs, quick pass, screens, etc)

            With a ‘decent” dline, not much one can do besides be avg (as we have proven). A few blitzes, which exposes secondary- some stunts, which can be easily countered. Bluffs, disguises, which again, aren’t all that effective.

            Plus, in our division with Vadgers, a resurgent Fat Lesbo, and possibly small ball Bradford, gotta get pressure.

            Just depends on where we fall on Leno.

            If he’s good, then RTs are much easier to get. Don’t need a high draft pick on them. Can usually get one in FA for moderately cheap (as opposed to a premiere pass rusher which will cost $100M).

    • BerwynBomber

      Way too early for JAX and LA. Goff is yet to play. Bortles is a young, Cutty-like tease. They won’t cut bait on him for at least another year.

      MIN is a bit of wildcard. But I’m guessing they would be looking mid-round project at best.

      Please no on Fitz. Given his salary demands, I’d literally consider every back-up in the league before him.

      • If the GM and HC get flushed in JAX, the new regime might want “THEIR” guy.

        Bortles cannot be redeemed. Like I said in a previous thread, $10M arm, 10C brain, 1Peso mechanics.

        And it’s rumored he doesn’t put in the time he should, so add laziness or lack of desire into that formula

  • AlbertInTucson

    Cutler cleared to return. – Trib.

    • Bender McLugh

      and 4-letter

    • willbest

      We still going 10-6?

      • AlbertInTucson

        I THINK you know me better than that.

        • willbest

          I know I responded to you, but that was for the two koolaid drinkers

          • AlbertInTucson

            I actually knew it was a joke, despite the recent pronouncement from another blogger that I have no sense of humor.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Jay Cutler miraculously cleared to play after Brian Hoyer breaks his arm.” -SBNation.com

    • What I wrote almost verbatum about 2 weeks ago.

    • willbest

      The comment I didn’t get was from Ian or maybe it was one of the local guys that went: Hoyer had surgery on his arm, the team plans on seeing how he responds for a couple days before deciding on making a roster move.

      Is there some magic potion that regrows bones or something? What the hell are they going to know two days from now that they don’t know today?

      • AlbertInTucson

        Well, what do you figure on what looked to be a compound fracture requiring surgery?

        6-8 weeks?

        • willbest

          I would think week 14 at the earliest.

    • BerwynBomber

      Weird. A six week long thumb sprain would NOT seem the norm in the NFL. But then again, if this was a management decision Cutty seemed to play along with it. Right down to extensive use of the cast.

  • MB30SD

    anyone?

    • AlbertInTucson

      I was entertained.

    • SC Dave

      That was fun.

  • Sactowns#1

    Trade a second for Staley and shore up the left side of the line. Trade your #1 for Jimmy G. We live happily ever after.

    • Sactowns#1
      • AlbertInTucson

        Seattle and Minny should be interested be interested but what about the CAP implications?

        • Sactowns#1

          Minimal, especially for a guy of his caliber. $7.7mil cap hit is minimal. Bears currently have $8.8mil in cap space.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Garappolo is under contract for another year so, they dont HAVE to even decide, yet.

    • willbest

      Because all the other Brady backups turned out okay?

    • BerwynBomber

      Beyond the Belichick effect, one thing I would worry about JimmyG is size. He is listed as 6’2″ but he looks about 6′ on the field. And yeah, shorter guys like Breezy and Wilson have thrived but they are very, very special talents.

      Of course the other thing is whether NE would even be interested in parting with him.

      • Catch 22

        If the Pats don’t mind parting with jimmy, it does raise an eyebrow.

        If not, scanario is moot anyways.

  • BearDown100393

    Jay Cutler is a true NFL warrior. And when he plays (and defeats) the Minnesota Vikings, he will be the league’s second half MVP. The Bears are running the table. Enjoy the ride. 10-6.

  • CanadaBear

    As far as I’m concerned Cutler will be showcasing his talents to sign with someone else next year. POX can’t keep stringing everyone along with Cutler on a year-to-year basis. That’s a recipe for being unemployed sooner rather than later (esp Pace).

    • BerwynBomber

      Pace could get away with it if it is obvious a younger back-up is being groomed as the successor. The problems? Potential QB controversy with Cutler and he is costly compared to a guy like Hoyer.

    • Agree.

      But what happens if Cutler is Cutler from 2006-2014 and two games of 2016?

      Eh. I guess it doesn’t matter cuz I doubt any team gives us shit for him anyways.

      Jets might be getting tired of the Bmarsh show already, so maybe they ship him off and give us a 3rd for him.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog One thing certain. Jay won’t make this easy. He’s not going 1-8. He’s not going 8-1. He’ll give both sides enough fodder to be obnoxious.”

    That is really Jay’s CHI career in a nutshell. He is a competent, average, flawed but talented starter who kinda forces damned if you do/damned if you don’t decisions.

    I am still against the PE contract we offered Cutler. But that aside, one of the biggest mistakes we have made during his tenure was not drafting young QBs to be his back-ups. And please, save the “but the team had too many holes” arguments. A) every team has holes. B) there is a chance you will miss on any draft pick regardless of position, and C) if you land a franchise QB he is basically worth an entire draft himself (if not two), regardless of the rest of your team’s needs.

    Anyway, the remainder of the season should be an interesting ride. And yes, I too would not be surprised if Jay plays well against MIN.

    • What, you wouldn’t want household names like Grasu, Rodriguez, or Vereen instead of taking a shot at a developmental QB like Daq or Wilson?

      [insert sarcasm]

      • willbest

        Is Dak Dak without the best o-line in football, a solid 1-2 RB, and a top 5 WR? Maybe he is, but the kid was given every tool he needed to be successful. You want Tice developing a QB?

        And Emery did draft Fales. Pace has yet to get his development guy except a QB that Cleveland already passed on.

        • Is it worse than Mel Tucker developing anyone?

          • BerwynBomber

            Exactly. And Tice is but one OC.

          • willbest

            Nothing is worse than Mel Tucker developing anyone.

        • SC Dave

          Cleveland passing on him is another reason to like Shaw.

  • willbest

    I don’t understand Jeff’s disbelief. If last week was a standard Sunday to Sunday week, then it would be suspicious. But given that last week was a Thursday game there weren’t reps available for people that weren’t going to play.

    • Let’s face it, Jay was Hoyered

      Even the FIRST week reports were leaked that Jay was pushing to play.
      Then Hoyer pulled a few 300yd, 70%, NO INT games, and Fox began to say shit like “we’ll see” and those reports about Jay pushing to play coincidentally vanished.

      I said it then, that if Hoyer crashed and burned, Cutty’s thumb would magically heal. It’s not rocket science. There’s a reason the Bears didn’t bring in anyone else at QB after Barkley.

      (unless they really are going full tank)

      • willbest

        The reason they didn’t bring in a QB after Barkley is they had 3 QBs on the roster at that point. At this point the only QB worth anything would be Fales. And if that is where you are, you are in tank mode.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          Fales is not worth anything.

    • BerwynBomber

      Didn’t jibe with Blogfather’s “profile in courage” view when it comes to Cutty. But admittedly, it did seem an awfully long time for a sprained thumb in the NFL.

      • willbest

        Sept 19th (technically the week before but he aggravated it). So we are on day 35, and the Pack game was on day 31.

        • BerwynBomber

          Five weeks for a sprained thumb in the NFL? Look, I’m not going bicycle thing of the NFCC. My view has always been Jay is neither a pussy (as the national yahoos would have you believe) nor the toughest guy around (as the local yahoos would have you believe), but I could see how someone would smell fish as Blogfather and Butch have.

          Anyway, he’s back, though there is a portion of me that wished to see Barkley out there.

          • willbest

            I sprained my middle finger back in high school and it was immobilized for 3 weeks and I could barely use it for another 2 weeks. Granted this is the NFL so Jay is probably being followed around by a physician’s assistant changing the hot/cold press, blood spinning, and whatever the hell else they are allowed to do.

            But to the extent that he was Hoyered, I tend to believe it was only for the Green Bay game.

          • I don’t think it was a coincidence that once Hoyer was out, and Barkley in, that Cutler healed up.

            Like the spymaster says in DS9, coincidences happen everyday, but I don’t TRUST coincidence, and I certainly don’t trust Fox with inj reports

          • Could never tell with the thumb.

            Anyone who has watched Palmer play after his thumb inj can see his level of play has dramatically gone down.

            So maybe some benefit of the doubt can be given.

            But either way, the results are the same. SUCKAGE.

          • BerwynBomber

            I agree. But you also see guys play thru such things all the time. Fuck, needle dick played thru a broken thumb on his throwing hand one year. Granted, it was needle dick — the Iron Horse of the NFL — but still …

          • willbest

            The only conclusion I have to that is Farve experiences pain differently from most people.

          • BerwynBomber

            And so do a lot of QBs.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            massive quantities of Vicodin and horse tranquilizers.

  • willbest

    Ah the Geno Smith experiment is over. ACL injury out for the season.

    • BerwynBomber

      And Fitz led them to a victory off the bench. Jets fans just can’t win.

    • Geno Glass.

      And have to wonder if the Jets didn’t want to nickle and dime Fitz, if he would’ve been more effective with a whole offseason.

      Instead now they got a QB who feels unwanted and performing like it.

      • BerwynBomber

        Fitz has always sucked. And he’s being paid something like 13M this year.

        • Fitz did ok last year (except a few stinkers, which even good QBs have).

          Just wonder if the league has figured him out again, or if that no offseason really did retard his progress.

          Most coaches will say being absent in off-season did indeed put him behind the 8ball.

          • BerwynBomber

            Guys like Fitz and McCown seem the product of NFL group think as much as anything else. Hoyer falls a little bit in that category too but his W/L and TO #s provide much better rationale. Why Fitz and McCown keep getting starting jobs over a few other back-ups is beyond me.

  • SC Dave

    On Stafford, I just read this:

    “In his last 15 games, Stafford has 4,093 yards, 34 touchdowns and six interceptions. Those numbers put him among the best quarterbacks in the league. That’s not debatable.”

    Sort of have to agree. Note, however, that two of those INTs were in our only win of the season,

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, he’s been on fire. Plus, he seems to have embraced a leadership role there. But they still have Caldwell and they are still DET.

    • Crazy to think, but maybe the Stafford IS better off without Mega.

      Maybe he felt obligated to feed him. He doesn’t seem to be making those stupid forced throws anymore

      (Cutty-Alshon?)

      • BerwynBomber

        Actually, Cutty-BMarsh might be the better comp. But unfortunately Cutty never put up productivity #s like Stafford’s last season worth of games, and the TOs were almost always high.

    • Sactowns#1

      I just watched that game. He is one lucky SOB. In the first qtr he made an errant pass that bounced off the helmet of a defender and was then caught by a Detroit receiver for a gain.

      • SC Dave

        Lucky was the strip sack that bounced right to him. It think that was Stafford anyway. Some QB had it happen yesterday.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    I believe Pace will definitely try to trade Cutty in the off season but we will not be giving him away for a mid round pick. Barring a trade Jay will be our QB next year. We will draft a QB early. The new QB will ride the bench until he is ready or forced to play due to injury. Jay’s contract is basically year to year now easy to cut without a huge amount of dead money.

    • willbest

      agreed.

    • CanadaBear

      There’s no way any team is trading for Cutler. Nobody wants to pay a potential backup/bridge QB $15 mil next year.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    So what’s the topic today? Football? Bears? Why?

    Every swinging dick in here should be combing over college tapes. Find me a team dammit!

    In a few short years we’ve gone from “Rex is our quarterback” – Lovie Smith, to “Rod, you have your “monster”(CD), now get to work”, to “At the end of the day, Jay is our starter,” Fox said. “Now that he’s healed, he’s back to being our starter.” – John Fox

    Wow! What an inspiration it is to be a Bears fan. Lol

  • I brought it up last night, but Kicking really seems to be dropping off. Even one of the best. I wonder if there’s stats on this.

    Patriots K Stephen Gostkowski said, “I stink right now.”

    Gostkowski has already missed two extra points and three attempts after connecting on at least 90 percent of his kicks and all ofhis extra points the last three seasons. “Obviously there’s something going on and I’m gonna work my hardest to fix it,” Gostkowski said. “No one feels worse about screwing up than I do.” Despite his struggles, Gostkowski is in no danger of losing his job. – Roto

    • willbest

      Without knowing anything
      1) higher pressure kicks (ie. kicking in more critical game conditions)
      2) A change in the way ST defends the kicks causing rushed kicks
      3) A ball standard change to combat deflate gate
      4) ST practice time being used practice kickoffs to the 5 yard line and subsequent returns cannibalizing pure FG kick time or messing with leg conditioning.
      5) Statistically abnormal wind conditions on Sunday not present during the week

      • AlbertInTucson

        Meanwhile, the 43 year old , Adam Vinateri, sets the record for consecutive made FGs.

      • SC Dave

        I think (1) is league wide. Used to be that extra points were no stress, but now they are.

        Kicking is very high stress because you’re “supposed” to make them, and failure to do so is very visible and costly in terms of job security. You don’t, for example, see QBs losing jobs for overthrowing 8 open guys in a season.

        Kickers doing that regularly lose their jobs.

        • Yes, perhaps moving the extra point back added to the pressure like cumulative stress on their psyche and leg.

          I wonder if anyone has hard stats on it.

          Could also just be 1 year fluke, but I think there’s a coloration somewhere.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          kickers suck. it is sad people have to talk about how bad they are and try to come up with excuses on why they suck. No reporter should ever ask a kicker anything ever. They have one job to do. anything inside of 50 should be automatic, unless effected by weather conditions, and by weather conditions I mean it better be a torrential rain, snow storm, or gale force winds to be used as an excuse.

          • willbest

            heh. Your comment reminds me of my thoughts as to why NBA players don’t all clear 90%+ on free throws.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        4. is a bogus excuse. Kickers can practice FGs without anyone else being around. There is no rule stating they can’t get a bag of footballs and head out to the field and kick after the official practice is over.

        • willbest

          Sure they can get the little arm holder, but that doesn’t simulate the timing of snap to holder with your motion. Which adds 6) decline in long snappers.

  • willbest

    haha

    https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/790639046246686720

    edit: another coach we could have hired that would be better than Fox

    • Haha.

      Quick, someone slap Cutler!

    • BerwynBomber

      Good for Bowles. Why Fitz even went there was baffling — indicative of a complete lack of self-awareness, and as someone joked yesterday. maybe some BMarsh influence.

      P.S. One never knows what a prima donna will look like.

      • I think Fitz was a bit bitter from the Jets dragging out the pre-season contract struggle.
        In his mind, he prolly blames it for his poor performance.

        These are high-ego QBs after all.

        When press asks Vadgers about what’s wrong, he pretty much blames WRs, Coaching, Oline, scheme, everyone but himself.

        • BerwynBomber

          Never heard that from Rodgers. If anything, when I have heard him after a Cheese loss he puts the blame on himself first.

          But his constant bitch face after incompletions is another matter.

          Regardless, dumbass comment by Fitzpatrick. He’s starting to become Bradford in PHI. And he’s not as talented as Bradford, though probably more durable.

          • CanadaBear

            Erin will refer to himself as needing to get better but then goes off on a litany of others that need to get better.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Well, he IS a Hah-vahd man.

  • willbest

    This is so Browns

    “Former Saints & Packers QB Joe Callahan is trying to fly to Cleveland tonight but the World Series is causing some issues.”

    • I mean, there’s tanking, and then there’s TANKING.

    • BerwynBomber

      I wish we would have claimed Callahan, especially after Hoyer went down.

      • willbest

        Maybe we did, we just didn’t have priority.

      • Callahan will likely be available again.

        Kessler and McCown are very close to being cleared. And they’ll likely keep Hogan.

        We can ride with Cutty and Barkley for 1wk I guess.

  • Sactowns#1

    Can someone please explain to me why the Pats are the only team to figure out that you shouldn’t kick it out of the endzone every kick off? Seems pretty straight forward, you should kick it to the 5-10 yard line and hope you blow the guy up and cause a fumble. Yet every single team keeps trying to kick it as deep as possible.

    • BerwynBomber

      Thought the same thing last night watching ARI/SEA. Neither team did it. Though after watching that game, I’m questioning Arians game-coaching chops in general.

      • willbest

        If your opponent has shown zero ability to move the ball against your defense, why would you risk giving them a fluke TD?

        • BerwynBomber

          But SEA did the same. And Arians made questionable decisions elsewhere.

          • willbest

            For Seattle it was confusing because they needed their D or ST to do something because their O wasn’t doing shit. Arians isn’t the best in game coach, but at least he knows how to prep his team.

          • In game, Arians is very inconsistent.

            He’ll be utlra-aggressive like throw bombs on 3rd and short when he has a top 3 HB, then other times he won’t go for it on 4rth cuz he “trust his D”.

            Not kicking that FG is classic passive-aggressive Arians.

            And just this morning he said they’re not cutting or looking for another K.

            Truly confusing.

      • BearDown100393

        IMO the coaches on both sides let down their players.

        • BerwynBomber

          What did Carroll do wrong? (And you can’t say, not run Beastmode.)

          • Huge Bears Penis

            trusting his kicker!

          • willbest

            He or his OC didn’t figure out how to move the ball until OT for one.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, nowhere near as egregious as Arian’s decisions. ARI was the superior team last night. And their HC blew it.

      • SC Dave

        Arians has been overrated on this blog all along.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          greatest of all time. future HOFer!

        • CanadaBear

          Still better than Nessman.

    • willbest

      Kick returns are up significantly from last year. It might just be a function of Gostkowski being better at it. Plus if you don’t trust the other 10 guys, or the returner is great, you might opt to spot them the 25 instead.

    • b4 the season I would’ve bet my liver that all coaches would be doing it. In fact, keeping Gould would’ve been good in that sense cuz he doesn’t even have to TRY to pooch KOs, they’re always short anyways.

      But if the NFL has proven anything to me is that coaches are VERY fucking stupid.

      they’re basically ex-jocs with clipboards, funny hats, creepy staches and libraries of cliches.

      • BearDown100393

        in sweat suits. Gotta wear the track pants.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        Gould would have found a way to messed it up.

  • BearDown100393

    Geno tore his ACL.

  • Long term, Hoyer going down might benefit bears financially since the sample size was so small, that we might still be able to re-sign him for a cheap rate. But hold on…

    Brian Hoyer is expected to return in six weeks after undergoing surgery on his broken left forearm.

    Hoyer was initially expected to miss eight weeks, but CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora reports the surgery “went well.” The improved timeline could keep Hoyer off injured reserve, but the Bears still need to decide what they are going to do at quarterback for the next month and a half. Matt Barkley struggled mightily against the Packers, and JayCutler is still dealing with a thumb injury, although he is well past his original 2-3 week timetable for return. – Roto

    • willbest

      6 weeks means the last 4-5 games of the season. I can’t fathom how he is worth a roster spot in the mean time.

      Cutler has a greater chance at being on the roster next year. In fact, I think the odds Hoyer is on the roster next year without Cutler also being on it, are roughly zero.

      • BerwynBomber

        Too early to tell. If anything, Cutler might have more of chance to play himself off the roster next year than on it; that is, if he shits the bed, he’s gone. And if he plays like ’15 Cutler, he still might be gone.

        Then again, I’m also the guy who would have bet a few hundred bucks that Pace would have drafted a QB by now.

        • willbest

          Hoyer isn’t the guy. He isn’t even the QB that can lead the team to a respectable 7-9 season. And that is known about him. So it seems foolish to bet on him. Which is why if he is back next year, its going to be backing up QB1.

          My current thoughts…

          ~30% QB 1 is first round pick
          ~25% Cutler is QB1
          ~20% its a starter upside/downside Romo, Kaep, Fitz
          ~15% some second chance QB like Glennon
          ~10% we do something foolish and trade for a Jimmy G or Seimian

          • SC Dave

            I disagree. Hoyer could easily lead a good team to 9-7

          • willbest

            What is it about the Pox regime that leads you to believe the 2017 Bears will look anything like the 2015 Texans?

          • Johnnywad

            Nah. Rexy could sling it. Hoyer has a limp dick for an arm.

          • SC Dave

            That’s true, but Rex also turned over the ball a lot more.

          • BerwynBomber

            Hell no on Kap or Fitz.

            Romo would be cool … if he shouldn’t already be retired due to injuries, not to mention the price tag.

      • MB30SD

        um, what’s he cost again??!? So who’s our back up?

      • IF Cutler stops throwing stupid INTs, getting sacked at a much higher % than Hoyer, stops getting stripped, and doesn’t make the defensive captain treat him like Webb, then Cutler MIGHT be on the roster next season.

        I say MAYBE cuz Hoyer already DOES all those things Cutler MIGHT but at 1/4rth the price.

        At that point, it’ll be a cash and “intangibles” decision by POX.

        • willbest

          see below.

        • BuddhaJoe

          Besides get in the end zone. Jebus, we’ve gone into crazy land.

    • BerwynBomber

      “2-3 weeks” — hence my post about the five weeks earlier.

  • Bears cut Joique Bell, indicating Langford is likely back this week. He should be #3 on the depth chart right now, maybe #2 at best. Howard and Carey are both better pure runners than him, though he does have top-end speed that they both lack and he offers nothing in the passing game. The speed is the only argument I can see for him even stepping on the field if both of the other 2 are healthy; if you want to give him 10 touches a game as the #2 RB and hope he breaks a big one, I can live with that.

    Unfortunately I have a bad feeling Fox is going to insert him back as the clear-cut #1 like he was pre-injury. And I will be furious if that happens.

    • willbest

      Howard looked slow the last couple games after 2 amazing games. Carey dropped that key pass. I think its going to be a hot hand sort of thing. They will rotate backs each series unless one of them has a dominant go at it.

      • Sactowns#1

        As I predicted, after a couple of games of being hit by grown NFL men he would slow down and run quite as hard.

    • SC Dave

      Me too. Langford does not deserve that consideration.

      • MB30SD

        Why do you hate him so much dave?! Whyyyyy!??!?!?!?!

        • Hint: Doc used to have an FF team called Forte OZ to Freedom

          Btw, where the hell is Doc? How dare he choose poon over a 1win Bears team!

          • MB30SD

            He’s so fucking happy all the time. It’s awesome

          • Cormonster

            Do you ever use resistance bands during your workouts? If so, are they useful? I seen a youtube video that stated they can be helpful with certain exercises for rotator cuff and shoulder problems and I’m trying to rehabilitate mine on my own.

          • MB30SD

            corm, def great for rehab. I recommend you use them. They are ‘measured’ resistance and it’s much harder to re-injure something while using them to rehab (vs weights)

            As for just normal working out with them… never, they’re for chicks and old ladies. hahaha, i keeed I keeeed… but yeah, if you’re strong enough to use weights, or even machines, use those instead.

          • Cormonster

            Thanks for the advise. Yeah, I just basically need to use them for maybe a few stretching exercises and get my shoulders feeling better. I’ve been doing a lot more stretching and range of motion stuff that is definitely making them feel better, but I thought this might help.

            I finally just got fed up with them being sore all the time from doing landscaping work for almost 30 years. I’m in really good shape, but right now it’s tough to do any additional upper body conditioning in the winter because of my shoulders.

          • MB30SD

            Most welcome my maings.

            Check out: http://www.marksdailyapple.com

            Good stuff there.

        • SC Dave

          I don’t hate him. It’s just that he is no good.

          • BearDown100393

            I do.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            me too.

          • MB30SD

            132/460/4

    • Agree with Will.

      Howard has looked stuck in mud. Maybe he hit that proverbial “rookie wall”.
      But the knock on Howard was his lack of acceleration, maybe vision.

      Carey came in the next series and looked more explosive/decisive.

      (and I was never that high on Carey).

      Agree with you on the rational about Langford and the homerun threat. That’s part of the reason we dumped Forte. He was the king of getting caught from behind. In a dink-dunk offense, we need a player to be able to turn some of those dinks into TDs (Langford, White and to a certain extent, Royal were supposed to be that for us, but all are hurt).

      We’ll see. Replacing a good workhorse back will require some growing pains. I think the Bears will truly go hot-hand, much to the chagrin of FF owners.

      (The one question I do have is about keeping Langford over Quizz. Every team needs that shifty 3rd down back a la Sproles)

      • SC Dave

        I don’t see disparaging Howard on vision. I think his is, by far, the best of any current Bears running back.

        Although if they DO go with the hot hand, I’m perfectly fine with that. Certainly it worked using Carey last game.

    • BuddhaJoe

      I hope they don’t supplant Howard, but a Howard/Langford combo is what I think would be best, with Carey as the backup getting a decent number of carries. I liked the RB by committee approach Fox was talking about, I just don’t think he actually has done it so far.

      • BerwynBomber

        On this one I’m with you BJ.

        Langford has shown more than Carey in their brief Bears careers. At least thus far, though Carey has played well the last two games. But that drop against JAX was a killer; virtually a turnover.

  • BearDown100393

    Twitter polling.

    • EnderWiggin

      Ask us that in December or January…

    • If Jay looks good, I have no problem with keeping him, Hoyer, Shaw AND drafting a QB.

      • MB30SD

        so much this! My thoughts EXACTLY. Why the fuck wouldn’t we.

        Of course, jay looking good consistently is the big question mark.

      • BerwynBomber

        But remember: Jay costs money. Is he fair market value now? Arguably yes, but he is still (at least) three times more costly than the average bridge guy.

        In player-speak, that allows you to purchase a couple of more Travathans/Freemans with the saved cash.

        • willbest

          More freemans, Hicks, Royals, won’t cut it. We need a player in the Eric Berry tier or better.

          • BerwynBomber

            Depends. If you are truly all in next year, yes. If you’re playing the long game I’d like to see them get guys like Travathan (who are looking for their first big payday) or even another Uni-like type. .

      • SC Dave

        Cutler: Nothing to see here. Move on.

  • Speaking of way too early draft talk, has anyone actually watched Kizer games?

    Zerlain compares him to Steve McNair.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000695698/article/dare-to-compare-nfl-comp-for-notre-dame-qb-deshone-kizer

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog 64-36 in favor of Cutler right now.”

    Not surprising. For all the whining about the Cutty “haters”, the Cutty “lovers” always outnumber them.

    • Much like with Trump supporters, I’m always surprised/scared by polls how many are out there.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Butch, you seem like a really well read guy. Do you really think the powers behind the curtain would let any president foil there plans? It matters not my freind.

      • willbest

        And yet you agree with GP that Hillary is a special kind of corrupt. It seems like voting for the tool who will at least be entertaining and for whom the press will attack mercilessly is far and away the better option.

        • BearDown100393

          Except for the newpaper owned by Sheldon Adelson.

          • willbest

            What did he buy?

          • BearDown100393

            He owns Las Vegas.

          • willbest

            ah… I read that as new paper, not newspaper.

            He is just doing that so he can be the primary investor in Trump TV. Plus he is going to be distracted over the next couple years stealing the Raiders from the Davis kid.

          • SC Dave

            How about the company counting the votes that has deep ties to George Soros?

          • BearDown100393

            He also owns this blog.

          • willbest

            I knew it!!!!

      • BerwynBomber

        I’m surprised how many support the GOP in general.

        • BearDown100393

          And don’t vaccinate their kids.

          • MB30SD

            I decided not to vaccinate my pets. Am I a horrible person?

          • AlbertInTucson

            No, but I disagree with that decision.

          • MB30SD

            I’m kidding Al. I have a lizard, my pups (at the ex’s) both had all their shots

          • AlbertInTucson

            Glad to know that.

            A “pet” peeve is finding a stray in the neighborhood A) without a license which means they probably didnt bother to get the animal its shots and B) Not even a name tag with a phone # so you can get the dog back home.

            Our hound, and her predecessors, are/were chipped, too.

          • MB30SD

            Yep, ours too. We also paid 3k each for them, so just from that standpoint would be dumb not to… never mind they’re like chilluns

          • BearDown100393

            Only if ground zero for the great rabies outbreak happens to be your address.

          • MB30SD

            can chameleons get/give rabies?

          • BearDown100393

            Jay probably could answer that better than I.

          • MB30SD

            Probably

          • Irish Sweetness

            Jesus would say “care ye not for ye pussies as ye would care for thine own self?” to some bloke called Zagabeth of Damascus who had chosen not to vaccinate his cat as Jesus was walking by one day.

            But if you don’t believe in Jesus .. .cut their testicles off.

        • willbest

          They don’t like the way Detroit turned out?

          • BerwynBomber

            No, but they love how Kansas is going.

      • SC Dave

        And, of course, the polls will always under-represent the enemies of the DNC/MSM cabal.

      • Irish Sweetness

        And do you know anyone who’s ever been polled?

  • on FF note
    all I need is 14 points from Hopkins and Donk D to beat Ender and be super#1!

    If I had kept Ty Montgomery, I would’ve won already.

    But just couldn’t start a Puke against my Bears.

    Will find out if my sentimentality cost me a win.

    • MB30SD

      good boy.

      #ffkrf

    • willbest

      I need Lamar Miller to outscore the Denver D by 15 points for high score of the week, which is a money award in my league. I have finally put up back to back wins though and am beginning to climb out of the hole I am in.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I had so much confidence in Osweiler that I benched Hopkins this week.

  • BearDown100393

    Facebook Live – So bored morbidly obese suburbanites can video themselves doing something stupid in the Walmart parking lot.
    ‘Merica

    • MB30SD

      ‘Murica!

      • willbest

        This is fucking awesome.

  • BerwynBomber

    Talib might be an idiot but his cover skills are Deon-esque.

    • BearDown100393

      Also an idiot.

      • BerwynBomber

        But never shot himself. As far as we know …

  • BearDown100393

    That Denver horse whine over the PA….. versus Nationwide’s Nationwide.
    Ratings plummet.

  • BearDown100393

    Another throwback game in the making.

    • SC Dave

      Throwback as in “when they used to play defense”?

      • MB30SD

        When this game used to be football

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, THAT’S what a touchdown looks like!

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Broncos facing Osweiler with Harris & Talib at corner. Bears faced Rodgers with Bausby & LeBlanc. Secondary may need a few fellas.”

    True but Rodgers also torched us even when we had Tillman and Jennings.

    • BearDown100393

      Secondary is decimated with injuries. The comparison of 1st stringers to backups is apples and oranges.

      • SC Dave

        I assume you’re responding to Jeff, and not BB?

      • Huge Bears Penis

        our 1st stringers weren’t all that great either.

  • SC Dave

    Just saw the Jarvis Landry play. What a piece of fucking shit.

    I’d be fine, maybe even happy, to see someone do a Johnny Knox to that cocksucker.

    • MB30SD

      Dude, waahhhh. Happened to me about 5 times in HS. It’s called football dave.

      ..that and, you’ll never not look for the crackback again.

      • AlbertInTucson

        That one has been pretty much universally condemned.

        Even Landry says he regrets the hit.

        • MB30SD

          Again, meh. It’s a standard crackback block. That exact same play happened to me 5 times in my career. By the 5th time, I’d gotten the licture and looked oursode on plays like that.

          It’s football, stop the pussification!

  • Huge Bears Penis

    Arian Foster announced retirement.

    • SC Dave
    • willbest

      Hasn’t he only played like 4 games in the last 3 years?

      ed. Romo should follow his lead. Well at the end of the year. Cause he makes a million dollars a week.

      • SC Dave

        8 in the last two. 13 the year before that.

      • MB30SD

        The cowboy faithful will be so crushed

  • BerwynBomber

    Never realized Clowney is damn near Alonzo Spellman’s size. Big fucking dude.

    • SC Dave

      That was part of the excitement about him. Honestly, he seemed to me to be the second coming of Julius Peppers. But *so far*, definitely not there.

  • BerwynBomber

    Second decent “island” game in two nights? C’mon, NFL. Don’t spoil us here.

  • SC Dave

    Was browsing pro-football-reference, and looked up Sayers.

    In his third season, he averaged 37.7 yards on kickoff returns, and did NOT lead the league. So who won? That Packer bitch Travis Williams. He started out like Devin. Four TD in 18 returns as a rookie. Never got close to that again.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillTr00.htm

    • BerwynBomber

      Never heard of Williams. Interesting trivia.

      Poor Sayers. With today’s medical advancements, he would have had a much longer career. Same with Butkus.

      • SC Dave

        I looked again, and the percentages are nuts for that guy; 7 TD in 115 returns.

      • AlbertInTucson

        “Travelin’ Travis” Williams.

        Bit of a fumbler as a running back, though.

        Bear, Cecil Turner, tied his single season record for Kickoff Return TDs in 1970.

        • AlbertInTucson

          The only 4 Turner returned in his career.

    • willbest

      37.7 yard average? did people wear lead shoes back then? Damn.

  • BerwynBomber

    Said this last year, but DEN’s 3rd CB Bradley Roby would be the #1 on a lot of teams around the league. Certainly ours and the Cheese’s — NFCN-wise.

  • AlbertInTucson

    22 attampts for 60 yards for Osweiler.

    Lovely.

    • BerwynBomber

      D battle. Like last night.

      • AlbertInTucson

        At there’s been a couple of TDs.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, HOU’s is not in the same league (w/out a healthy Watt) as DEN’s, SEA’s and ARI’s.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Alfred Blew It.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Looks like its starting to slip away from Houston.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, decent game for three quarters, but the fourth quarter could be all about DEN flexing its D muscles.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Nice catch by Sanders.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Can the Texans put up 20+ ?

    I do not believe so.

    This ain’t the Colts.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Wonder if the guy gets $3000 for the G.I. Joe toys on Pawn Stars?

    • AlbertInTucson

      He did.

  • Ugh, u moron Harris. Run for the TD! live ball!

    Even if it’s not, what do u have to lose besides a few breaths?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Bears stand around while live ball rolls around in a Packer game.

      • BerwynBomber

        Beat me to it. Was gonna say, conjures bad memories of the ’13 season finale.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Decent stand by Houston but, Don Meredith would be singing by now.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    Holy fuck sticks is this bad luck! Both knees on one play.

    http://deadspin.com/texans-tackle-derek-newton-tore-both-his-patellar-tendo-1788171975

    • AlbertInTucson

      Wendel Davis had both knees taken out on one play on that shitty Veterans Stadium turf back in the day.

    • beninnorcal

      That makes for an extra hard rehab.

  • Huge Bears Penis
    • AlbertInTucson

      No future in the porn industry for him.

  • BerwynBomber

    Due to the Forehead’s presence, couldn’t get into this DEN team last year. But would be fine with seeing them knock off NE again this year in January.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Hawks in a shootout.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Kris Versteeg beats his old teammates.

  • lol THANK YOU garbage time Hopkin pass!

    That was enough to bump me over Ender, and I am now two games and 100 points away from him at 2nd!

    • MB30SD

      yaaaaaaaayyyyyyy!

      (rolls eyes)

  • BerwynBomber

    Moss kicking that FG in pre-game was pretty funny.

    • MB30SD

      That thing was easily good from 40

  • Irish Sweetness

    Anyone catch the Walking Dead? That was some gore fest right there. The scariest things in that program are people. It was OTT though. That stuff used to be banned, now it’s on prime-time.

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