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Seven Quick Thoughts on Bears Loss to Packers

| December 19th, 2016

Travel day. Not a lot of time to write. But here are my quick thoughts.

  • Matt Barkley looks every bit an NFL quarterback. And this makes 3 of his 4 starts where he took the team down the field with the game on the line and made plays to win or tie em. If Barkley’s teammates were better, he’d be a main story in Chicago.
  • Guy in Billy Goat yesterday: “Barkley’a good but he can’t throw the long ball.” Amazing what people believe despite their own eyes.
  • Bears secondary never had a chance against Aaron Rodgers but – on the final play – why does a safety even have a decision to make? There should be two guys standing 25 yards off the line of scrimmage.
  • Packers had a massive third quarter because of Bears mistakes. Bears had a massive fourth quarter because they dominated the line of scrimmage.
  • Jordan Howard is a star.
  • Love Alshon Jeffery’a post game passion,  expressed in this column by Adam Jahns. This is what the team needs: desire to win. They are fighters. What separates fighters from winners? Talent.

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  • MB30SD

    Sigh

    • which one?

      • MB30SD

        Check the AJ article linked above. I think just “shiiiiiiiit”

        • Big Mike

          Love the heart. Seems like a positive. Want him on our squad. Big Mike out

          • MB30SD

            I do too Mikey my maings… for the right price.

            So, what’s he worth for 5-7 games a year to ya?

          • Big Mike

            I’m on the record saying you do what you have to keep him next year. If a long term deal can get worked out. I’m no expert on contracts for WRs, but you don’t sign a guy if he projects to 5-7 games a year. It’s clear to me know he was not 100% earlier this year. He looked fast, big and strong in the 4th quarter. All of that said, I’m saying 10 million a year, with some incentives to sweeten the deal and I give him a pretty nice signing bonus (spreads out the cap). Total package $60 million $25 guaranteed. 5 year deal.

          • BillW

            I agree – but I suspect he figures he can get more.

          • willbest

            If the tag is $17.4 million guaranteed you are not going to entice him into a long term deal with an extra $7.5 million.

          • Big Mike

            The question is what I would offer. $17.4 is top 3 receivers in the league. He’s not that. The bump of guaranteed $ over the tag, plus betting on yourself for another $35 million. That’s what I was looking at. I also said, Not an expert at this.

            The price tag for #1 WRs always goes up, so if you start with what I’ve proposed, you have to see how much more you’re willing to pay and if alshon’s group will come down.

          • willbest

            Somebody will pay Alshon $14 million a year, and at least $30 million in guarantees. The question the Bears have to answer is do they want to give him that. Most this blog thinks that is a waste of money. That is fine, but then you don’t have a #1 WR. Its going to be White and Ted Ginn Jr. as your #1 and 2 next year or something.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t. I’d pay him. Otherwise what’s the point of developing the OL, Running Game, QB etc. You need playmakers. He’s right there. Then you can focus on other things.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Tagging him for a year and then trying to replace him long term is probably the best thing to do. Just make sure we have him on the field next year. See how it all plays out. But we do need him if we’re going to make a run.

            Another draft and round of FA puts us close. I’m good with Barkley and Shaw.

          • Big Mike

            I think that’s the easiest scenario.   The problem becomes this.  The average WR contracts go up every year.  You can see it if you sort the deals by expiration date.  The ones expiring this year and next are SUBSTANTIALLY less than those expiring in 2-3 years.  Also if AJ has a good year, his value explodes.  Now to keep might cost 20-30% more.   Maybe even more than that.
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          • Irish Sweetness

            And Cam. If we can find another lanky body – and there are a few available next year – then a Ted Ginn Jr + Cam + decent vet isn’t a bad set of triplets.

          • willbest

            It really is. There is a reason Ginn has been on 14 different teams in his NFL career.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The PEDs thing worries me Mike. It means he’s lazy, looking for shortcuts.
            I want him on the team next year, but we should try and get a roster together where we don’t need him after that. I don’t trust him.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t have any information about that. A lot of these supplements are about healing faster. In some weird ways you can see it as a sign of commitment. He gambled $3.5 million dollars to get back on the field. He lost. Dude is jacked up, it wasn’t about getting ripped, he already is big enough, strong enough and fast enough. He just keeps getting these lingering, nagging injuries. I give guys a pass unless they are taking HGH. I also think PED might be too broad and strict of a term. It includes everything from antihistimines, to steroids.

          • SC Dave

            smh

          • Huge Bears Penis

            $20mill

          • willbest

            Never played fewer than 9 but whatever.

    • SC Dave

      erra one

  • Big Mike

    Agree with Jefe. I’m feeling more frustrated with Bears’ fans than with the Bears right now. Screaming for Fox’s head, yelling about ownership and so on. Losing out, while getting better, building desire, learning from mistakes, finding some hidden gems on our roster and on other people’s rosters that we can snag, that’s the best outcome. I wanted to beat the Packers, so badly, because fuck them and the horseshoe that’s been up their bottoms for the last 20 years. But ok. We took them to the last play of the game and our secondary lost its collective brain. You can argue all day that Fangio had the wrong defense called, He did not. Somebody blew the coverage. Leblanc said he thought he had safety help over the top, which makes sense. I don’t know who was at safety, but it was likely a rookie. Wouldn’t be Amos, because he’s not the cover guy. Also the poor tackling that everyone is screaming about wasn’t poor tackling. It was two ILBs who were a step out of position and had to lunge to get to the ball carrier. It wasn’t a break down in tackling technique, but it was poor recognition, largely due to inexperience.

    But on to the positives.

    – Bears lost 30-27 on a blown coverage, to the Packers. One week ago, The Packers beat the snot out of Seattle.
    – Barkley gives us a reason to not reach for a QB with our first QB. This year’s QB talent is “meh”.
    – Not reaching for a QB gives us every reason to draft a stud for the secondary. The best one out there. His name is Jabril Peppers.
    – Howard – stud
    – Bears O-line played pretty well. I don’t want to hear about Leno getting schooled by Peppers on the strip sack. Peppers is a HOF player and he didn’t do shit the rest of the game. He probably had Leno set up for that. Also, on a 7 step drop, you’re leaving Leno 1 on 1 with Peppers? Got a chip or something.
    – D-line played well all day. One of the reasons they didn’t have more sacks, is they were maintaining containment.
    – Kwiatoski, will get better and better, this playing time is gold for him and the Bears.
    – Say what you will about Bellamy, but he’s in the middle of it all the time. Special teams made a great play. Does everything pretty well. (except catch the f’n ball and I’m hopeful he can fix that)
    – Alshon, played with passion all day long even though he was only targeted 1x until the 4th quarter. Didn’t sulk, blocked his ass off ran his routes, and when they went to him, he delivered. He also held h is powder when he was wide open on a go route and Barkley (who needs a nickname for the blog), didn’t see him

    Gent’s take the odds for the Bears to make the playoffs next year. BigMike is calling it a lock 🙂

    • MB30SD

      all good points mike.

      I’m calling for a new HC that’s young and aggressive. I will ALWAYS call for Teddy’s head. Guys is a fat, lazy, fuck who doesn’t know about or care about football… and you can’t have that guy as your CEO and head of Football Ops… IF you want to win and build a dynasty.

      Also, “and the horseshoe that’s been up their bottoms for the last 20 years”

      • Big Mike

        Lucked into Favre, Lucked into Rodgers. That’s all they’ve done. Ted Phillips, yeah. He just protects the McCaskey’s money. I always forget about him. He’s a douche.

        • BillW

          It may be heresy, but I don’t consider Favre and Rodgers as luck. They saw something in Favre and they were right. They figured Rodgers was worth the risk and they were right. Rodgers worked hard from what I understand losing the bad traits from college. Sure – it’s annoying that our rival managed to have two QBs to our (realistically speaking) about 6 that we considered “the answer” but they made it a priority. And the way the rules are – that’s a pretty good position to prioritize.

          The guy knows how to read defenses. He has great sense of where the receivers are going to be. I always think of it like Gretzky and Pete Maravich and Michael Jordan – spatial relationships. An egghead term for knowing where everyone is and will be by the time the ball gets there. That’s why so few interceptions.

          Can Barkely be poor man’s equivalent? I’m warming up to that idea – though I was down on him for the strip sack and one of the INTs. Two more auditions – and what I like is he sees them as the start of his NFL career. The guy seems hungry and playing against the best had to make him think “with hard work, I can be that guy”.

          • I gave Barkley basically 0 blame for the strip sack. He got drilled from his blind side as he finished his drop. That’s 100% on the LT, 0% on him, IMO.

          • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

            Peppers whipped Leno

          • BillW

            Don’t sell yourself short, GP. To me, you’ll always be Internet Smug Prick #1!
            (joking of course)

          • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

            that means alot coming from a U of C grad like yourself, Bill. 🙂

          • Irish Sweetness

            Leno is the 310lb gorilla in the room. He’s not top drawer. Why settle for less?

          • Big Mike

            They lucked into Favre. He could have easily been a drunken bum. They didn’t know he was an HOFer. Nobody did. Rodgers, last QB taken in the first round. Wasn’t first on anyone’s list, he just happened to be there when the Packers were up.

            Packers didn’t see shit. Their draft board was lit up with complaints about taking Rodgers…

          • Irish Sweetness

            He was better than Rodgers in that game statistically …

      • Irish Sweetness

        Phillips. Absolutely. Clusterfucking it for two decades at least.

    • BillW

      I want to believe they were not in the wrong coverage but there wasn’t a safety lined up deep.

      • Big Mike

        I simply can’t believe Fangio doesn’t know that Jordy Nelson deep is a threat. If the coverage wasn’t blown, it doesn’t excuse LeBlanc for having his feet in cement and letting Nelson run right by him.

        • BillW

          Reading Rodgers detail how he read the safety makes me believe they played the defense as called.

          Agreed that LeBlanc got beat bad but the idea is to give him help to prevent that.

          • Big Mike

            Can’t ever get beat like that, in that situation.

          • SC Dave

            Jordy Nelson has beaten a lot of guys deep.

        • Bender McLugh

          Safety help over the top wasn’t there as was expected. LeBlanc gets a pass

          • Irish Sweetness

            Rushing three men allowed it to develop and gave the QB that time.

            Shouldn’t have happened, Obvious time to send the house. MAYBE Rodgers hits his hot route and they get some yards. But you don’t just let a top QB stand in there like that at a time like that.

          • Bender McLugh

            yes yes yes, heard it all before Irish, but I disagree. This defense is not “Ravens Rush” good from their SB years. For me it came down to the secondary effed up, period.

        • BerwynBomber

          Watch the replay. Bush bites on some outside move by Nelson about 15 yards downfield and just never recovers and seemingly decides to cover a zone which no Packer receiver ever occupies.

          • Big Mike

            So there it is. Rookie mistake. Thanks.

        • dave

          I think that the value of the lesson learned, not to mention the draft order, makes me happy about the game. All the positives were there, the loss was not from the lack of talent, but the lack of experience. Da bears are back to getting back to basics after selling their soul for Cuttler without an OL to protect him. Get the protection down first (almost done) with a running threat (done with a buldozer right tackle) and then put grandma back there at QB and she’ll get the job done. Better yet, we already have MB and he’s looking pretty darn good.

          • Big Mike

            Exactly. Count the QBs who went in the top 3 to really shitty teams, with shitty o-lines and how their careers died before they started. I don’t feel like looking it up, but it’s a reality. Can’t put lipstick on a pig and expect a beauty queen.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Love to see Troy Aikman on the teams Cutty played for.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hi Dave.
            The 4 TO differential is going to kill you 9 times out of 10. I don’t know that any of that was experience related. But I’m all about building the trenches first too.
            You don’t build a house without the foundations being done first.

            Unless it’s Thailand,

        • Irish Sweetness

          But Nelson is huge, couldn’t cover him anyway – there was a definite lineup not called. I mean a two deep shell is your basic go-to defense right there.

          • Big Mike

            Only needed to stay deeper than him and make a play on the ball.

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    • Huge Bears Penis

      the tackling I have a complaint about is defenders playing grab ass trying to strip the ball while allowing a RB get an extra 5-10 yards. I am looking at you Amos!

      • Big Mike

        I didn’t see much of that. Amos is a solid tackler most of the time. Was that the play where he had the whole defense taking a ride on him?

        • Huge Bears Penis

          Don’t remember, I just remember a couple plays getting mad because the RB got a lot of unnecessary yards because they went for the ball instead of wrapping up.

        • SC Dave

          There were definitely multiple plays in the game where they gave up 5-10 extra yards by not tackling.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t disagree, but it wasn’t tackling fundamentals, it was that they were out of position when they latched on.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Agreed. Lots of guys weren’t in their lanes. I think they don’t have a Samurai in there calling the plays – likely that would be Danny or Jerrell normally.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Kwiat … there was a few of them. We gave up 250 on the ground and Amos wasn’t to blame for all of that.

    • BillW

      By the way, I agree on the tackling. I really didnt’ see on replay too many(if any) truly “missed” tackles. I saw as you did – guys get a hand on a really strong back but not in position to wrap up.

      Sometimes the other guy beats you. This guy was faster than scouted probably. Sure looked like a better version of Lacy. Seems like the Pack found a running back by accident.

      • Big Mike

        Inexperienced ILBs, vs a back that was a bit unconventional I believe. Freeman, Trevathan and Goldman shut that shit down.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “- Barkley gives us a reason to not reach for a QB with our first QB. This year’s QB talent is “meh”.
      – Not reaching for a QB gives us every reason to draft a stud for the secondary. The best one out there. His name is Jabril Peppers.”

      I approve this message.

      • Big Mike

        Thanks you sir.

        • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

          Jamal Adams is all you can get as SS instead of swiss knife Peppers. but who knows.

          • Big Mike

            My opinion is that if we add a good Free Safety, Amos Adams takes a huge step up.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yeah, I like HQJ, but I think I’d like him more on the bench, with a stud on the field.

    • BerwynBomber

      Agree about both the O- and D-line play EXCEPT … as lively as our pass rush looked all day, don’t they also hold some responsibility for the 200+ yards of rushing we gave up?

      My only concern about Peppers is his apparent lack of D playmaking. If I heard the stats right, he has never had a single INT in college and only caused one FF his entire time at UM.

      • Big Mike

        Peppers is more of a strong safety. He’s got good hands. They use him as a kick return guy out of the backfield as a WR. He’s not in coverage a lot. Might not be the guy we need. MB30SD is probably dialed in on which secondary guy we should take.

        Jabrill Peppers, S/LB, Michigan

        Peppers, eligible for the draft as a redshirt sophomore, has not yet announced his decision.

        “He’s probably in the top four of best all-around guys you’ll see
        this year: It’s Myles Garrett, Jonathan Allen, Leonard Fournette and
        Jabrill Peppers. There have been a few national scouts who are saying
        he’s the best guy they’ve seen all year. You’re going to hear a lot of
        talk about where he should play in the NFL, considering he’s such a
        versatile athlete, but the word seems to be unanimous that he should be a
        safety. I don’t see him projecting as a linebacker, he’s a safety to
        me.

        “He can do everything. He can blitz, he can drop back, he can match
        up against a slot guy in man [coverage]. His closing speed is something.
        And of course you can use him as a returner.

        “He’s special, he has great instincts. He’s not going to fit every
        scheme for every team but coordinators willing to be creative will be
        rewarded. I’d love to use him blitzing off the edge. I know the knock on
        him [that he doesn’t have a natural position], but he’s going to
        produce at the next level. First-round talent.”

        • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

          I´ll go all for Allen if he still there, or best OT aviable before Peppers. I don´t find him so special but I think you have more info than I do.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t have more info. I just started poking around at what’s out there. A couple of scouts have said this is a very good defensive draft and it has a lot of DBs. @MB30SD:disqus, told me that Peppers is the best guy out there, but is a strong safety. We need a Free Safety who can cover. I’m of the opinion that Amos is a good to very good SS. I also know that our secondary is the weakest link on our team. I believe it could become a strength with 1 solid FA and one top draft choice who performs like a first round pick.

          • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

            Amos would be a nice back up, I think team needs both, any upgrade would be helpful.

          • Big Mike

            The thing is you can’t do everything and the optimal approach would be to upgrade the FS spot. I believe Amos still has a great deal of upside, if he has decent players in the secondary with him.

          • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

            Hope so.

        • Peppers is NOT a playmaker.

          Sorry. I just don’t see it.

          I agree. He’s more of a SS, and I can’t think of one SS that went top 10 since Tecmo Bowl.

          We need a ballhawk FS. Not sure if there’s one in this draft, unfortunately.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Eric Berry drafted in top 10 in 2010.

          • Yeah, but he had FS skills. He was my fav safety ever coming out since Sean Taylor.

            Earl Thomas was in that draft, and I had no problem wanting in either in top 12.

            But don’t think there’s a Berry or Thomas, or even Joseph type in this draft, but will have to investigate more.

          • Big Mike

            You’re right.  He’s not a fit and we are drafting too early to take him. The great cover FS is the right move.  Maybe a top CB, who gets moved over
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          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll cough up a nut if we draft a CB. We have them out the kazoo.

          • Big Mike

            None that are good.

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          • Big Mike

            Why is he ranked as one of the top 5 players in the draft? All he does is make plays from what I’ve seen. As for being a bad fit for the Bears, you’re right. I think one idea I’ve read is taking a top Corner and working him in at FS. There’s a guy like that. I just forget who. I’m not a draftnik and picking 2-5 certainly has a different feel for it. You’re worried about value and BPA a whole lot more than drafting for need. According to Kiper and others this draft has a lot of defensive talent on it. We’ll see, won’t we.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If we have two picks in the first I’d like to grab Fournette. Howard is only human. You need two backs in this league. Bell goes down … boom … in goes DeAngelo.

      • Irish Sweetness

        250.

    • willbest

      You don’t think it was epic coaching fail to dial up a pass on 3rd down when you were going to kick the FG anyway? And its not Fox’s first epic clock mismanagement.

      D-line would have had more sacks if they weren’t being thrown to the ground all game. I think the Packers o-line got called for holding once, and it was on a run play.

      Barkley’s horrible 3rd quarter washed with the D getting lucky on two TD’s falling out of Adams hands. Ultimately, they were absolute shit against the run and that is unacceptable. Its cold, and they are Jags, but its not the first time that division opponents with no run game to speak of get a substantial bounce against us.

      I am not hard on Bellamy he is a solid gunner, he has no business being pressed into service as a WR#2. Its not his fault Jeffery, White, Royal, and Wilson have all missed significant time. It would have been great (especially for his pocket book) if he had stepped up, but he will find work for the next several years on ST.

      • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

        Bellamy’s stiff arm for the TD was a thing of beauty.

        It’s a shame his hands are for shit because you can see the talent in there.

        • Big Mike

          It really was. The announcer even said, this is a talented young ball player. Does everything well, just needs to get better at you know, catching the ball.

          • SC Dave

            Only a minor issue for a pass receiver, after all.

          • Big Mike

            Exactly.  But maybe he can get better at it.

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        • Irish Sweetness

          He has great hands, what are you talking about? Cam and Bellamy have the best hands on the team. Did they have a nightmare a few weeks ago? Yes. Everyone did.

      • Big Mike

        I don’t hate the call. Hindsight is perfect, right? Barkley had been accurate. It’s great to have a weapon in Howard. But it’s not a lock. I think they thought they were going to score on the pass play. I think if you run it, you’re saying you are going for it on 4th down. Just my take. Questioning a play call on 3rd down at the goal is part of being a fan. So yeah, I question it. But the call that was made wasn’t blasphemous, or like WTF it’s 4th and 1/2 a yard and you RB is averaging 5 yards a carry…

        I really didn’t notice the non-holding calls against the Bears. I was planning on watching on the ALL 22 later in the week.

        Bad tackling was largely bad angles by the rookie 5th round pick Kwiatkowski and Timu. Both bench players.

        • willbest

          It wasn’t hindsight though. I posted yesterday that they better fucking run this thing before they called it. Maybe you get stuffed and burn 40 seconds and tie it up. Maybe you get to the half yard line and have a decision to make. Even scoring the TD on that play gives Rodgers too much time to win the game.

          • Big Mike

            Good on you. I didn’t know what I would have called.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Running it was the ONLY thing to do in that set of circumstances. It’s not even a debate.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Barkleyt threw the ball behind Cam’s head. If he puts it on him or in front of him – where it should have been – we’re 4 points ahead and a FG is useless.

          • Big Mike

            It was catchable.  Not a great throw.  Would have been a good catch

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      • Irish Sweetness

        I’d almost EXPECT Jordan to bang it in on 3rd down there. If he doesn’t make it, GB have to burn a TO (if they even had one)

    • Irish Sweetness

      It was probably Bush. How long have we been screaming for a free safety though?

      When you think about it, 4 TO deficit, GB drops two TDs, refs in their pocket … and we were one play away from victory. Not bad.

      At least we didn’t dent our draft position.

      • Big Mike

        They really could have blown us out…

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  • MB30SD

    The only thing wrong with this tweet is the word, “Probably”

  • BillW

    Well, the sun did in fact come up today. Fro a while yesterday I had my doubts. I tried so hard not to be upset – going through all the rationale (injuries; 9th string receivers and DBs that won’t be in the NFL net year etc) but when the game is right there and they can’t make the right play – none of that matters.

    Maybe they would have lost in OT, I tell myself. Kicking a FG on 4th and 4 was not a wrong call but it wasn’t the right call (Agree the wrong call was a pass on 3rd down). The 10 second run off thing was explained well by Biggsy in his ten thoughts so I’m OK with that – though he points out that they should have call a TO since Rodgers wisely let 18 seconds tick down.

    I’m tired mostly of questionable game management. The holes in the roster due to injuries and rebuilding are understandable. We don’t have coaches on injured reserve. I’m referring more to the D call on the Nelson bomb. I don’t recall the term “quarters” coverage – I’ve heard it at least 10 times already today. I’ve soured on Fangio big time after that.

    On a positive note – my family was in fact represented at the game. Older son went with his neighbor. Haven’t talk much to him since that – he said traffic home was miserable. I can’t see a figure on no shows but seemed pretty full actually. Obviously a lot of Cheeseheads.

    I can’t believe the Packers keep stumbling into the playoffs. Anyone truly believe either Mn or Dt can beat them? You just know they will get some weird call going in their favor against Dt. There were a few yesterday – but I think maybe I’m hyper-sensitive.

    Like that dumb commercial where Clay Mathews recovers a fumble – is clearly down – but reaches the ball over the goal line and they give him a TD anyway. Nothing says “Refs favor Packers – so what??” like that.

    • I saw on Twitter yesterday the announced attendance included something like 16-18k no-shows. But a lot of tickets had been bought for cheap on the secondary market by GB fans too.

      • Found it. Officially 16,536 unused seats.

        Wonder how many it will be next Saturday. Not against a rival, not as many road fans to buy tickets, and Christmas Eve to boot.

        https://twitter.com/PeteDougherty/status/810589469619453952

        • BillW

          Thanks JWood. I had it close – predicted 20K.

          • I’m guessing at least 1/3 of the fans there yesterday were GB, based on what I saw on TV/heard on Twitter from people at the game.

            Pretty sure there won’t be 15k Washington fans in Chicago on Christmas Eve when their team isn’t headed to the playoffs this year.

        • Big Mike

          that’s 25% of the stadium…

        • BillW

          Should be interesting. My boys had planned to go together – given it was a noon game. We have a family Christmas Eve party hosted by my older son and his wife but he figured he’d be back in time (though that sticks his wife with the prep – not wise with a 3-11 team). So I doubt they will go. And tickets won’t sell on the NFL site since they require full price plus SC.

          I hope the league recognizes they are encouraging people to stay home by not allowing tickets to be sold at market value. And threatening a loss of seat license if the (anonymous to the seller) ticket buyer causes trouble. I would think they’d rather a full stadium.

          • People are smart enough to go sell on StubHub. But the rule for STH that they lose their tickets if people who buy from them misbehave is dumb.

          • BillW

            That’s why I won’t let them sell on StubHub. I figure if they sell on the NFL sponsored site we wouldn’t lose our license if a dumbass causes trouble – only because through advertising the NFL enticed us to use their site.

    • BerwynBomber

      Cheese can lose either to MIN or DET. They’re no lock. They have Rodgers, which gives them a chance every year, but they look like a team in decline.

      The officiating seemed pretty fair yesterday. In fact, was gonna commend the crew. Nothing like those bastards up in DET two weeks ago.

      P.S. Another rationalization are the two Davante Adams TD drops. Those were two easy, right in the breadbasket, Bellamy-level drops. He makes those two catches were not even in that thing.

  • AlbertInTucson

    The Bear defense set the art of tackling back some Sunday.

    • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

      We missed Freeman and his PED induced tackling.

      • CanadaBear

        And Trevathan

        • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

          Bears tackling of Monty was sickening.

          • CanadaBear

            Or lack thereof.

          • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

            Thayer was livid this morning. Livid.

            He said the worst most pussy angles were taken by the D against the run. That they played to avoid pain and were out-toughed.

            He said if he saw another side angle ball strip angle instead of dropping the shoulder he was going to puke

          • CanadaBear

            Unlike a lot of the guys, that loss didn’t even get me pissed. However, that tackling was pathetic and I agree with Thayer 100%.

          • Bender McLugh

            same

        • And Goldman

        • Irish Sweetness

          But not Trevathan in coverage .. where he’s a liability.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    Gee, if the Bears took Clinton Dix like the ENTIRE blog wanted Emery to do during that draft, I guess the deep coverage would have been handled and the pack wouldn’t have had them to catch those picks, eh?

    • Not the entire blog. I wanted CJ Mosley.

      • and any S would have made those INT. It was a basic zone coverage where he was behind the play and the ball went right to him both times.

        • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

          I figured you would say that. But a Bears safety would have been out of position.

          • more likely would have dropped it, IMO. I don’t think HHCD had even moved from the snap for those INTs. Just stand there and catch the ball that’s thrown to you.

          • willbest

            A fair point. Bush’s catch (had he made it) would have been impressive.

          • at least he got to the right spot and broke up the pass. More than you can say for Chicago’s safeties most of this year.

        • Big Mike

          Our guys with hands of steel,might have dropped it.

      • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

        Fangio called the quarters set and they saw that all day, so they knew exactly how to run through a post route and knew the safety would come down.

        Turrible stuff.

        • MB30SD

          just… turrible. smh

    • Huge Bears Penis

      and we might still have Emery.

    • Big Mike

      Ugh.. who did we get instead. SMH

      • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

        Fuller.

        Fuck Fuller.

        • Big Mike

          ugh.. Maybe he’s good. Who knows. But wtf.. Could have grown a new leg by now

          • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

            He’s soft.

          • CanadaBear

            Something is going on for sure. When they activated him it sounded like he was pretty much healed up. Now you hear nothing. I’ve read where the coaches are not overly impressed with his work output. If you can’t play for Fox, Fangio and Donatell that tells me the desire isn’t there or something about the attitude is not right.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This is it. He started well, and then disappeared. We don’t know what he is.

          • Big Mike

            Nothing worse. Hate to give up on him too soon. He also carries the burden of being a #1 draft pick, so being better than the Leblanc, Porter, Callahan, Bush, Quartay etc isn’t enough. I’d hate to have another Marc Columbo situation. (Injured, sucked for 2-3 years with Bears, went to Dallas and became a decent 5-10 year veteran in the league).

        • MB30SD

          Yeah, buh bye… Dude’s a Fucking wasted roster spot… If he can ever get off IR.

          Next!!!

    • Irish Sweetness

      There was another safety i think was in vogue .. calvin Pryor. Justin Gilbert had hsi fans too .. but I don’t think he worked out.

  • dave

    I’d give AJ a very nice CONTINGENT incentive laden contract. He is worth it, if he is worth it and only if he plays and produces. Da Bears can do without him. Where is the money better spent? A bulldozer right tackle. (I’ve been led to believe nothing better than Leno is likely to be available this year.) A pit bull Safety and a lock down Corner. Fixing those three needs are much more valuable than throwing money on the roulette table over AJ. Trade down in the draft and get as many two’s, threes and fours to find more quality for value. Just consider all we’ve picked up in the draft and since then on the waiver wire?
    We’ve got a great core now to build on, don’t throw money away on AJ or Cuttler.
    ;’

    • willbest

      The problem you have with contingent incentive laden contract is somebody like Tennesse is just going to give him a 5-year $70 mil, $35 mil guarantee.

      • dave

        Let them over pay if they wish. AJ knows da Bears will be a winner next year. How does he want to be seen after retirement? What will his future be like after being a big winner with Chicago, vs bouncing around and being whatever in Tennessee? Chicago is good to its sports heros.

        • willbest

          Tennesse is closer to being a complete team than the Bears are. Even with nobody’s at WR they have one of the most potent offenses this year. They are a couple defensive players away from seriously competing. We need an entire secondary.

          • BerwynBomber

            TEN’s receiving corps sucks but were I them I’d invest in my D first and let Mariota make do with Murray/Henry and that TE of theirs (whose name I forget). Maybe bolster the receivers more cheaply via the draft.

            TEN gets a D and they will compete with anyone not named NE.

          • willbest

            But they too have money to do both. I think we are going to start seeing some deals either this year or next that will have everybody saying no way should they make that much, and it is going to be because the limiting factor is difference makers in key positions and not cap.

          • Big Mike

            Which says, keep Alshon.

          • SC Dave

            Will’s post, and your response, nails it.

          • Big Mike

            Top playmakers are hide to come by. That’s all.

          • Irish Sweetness

            For next year, certainly.

          • Big Mike

            Not true. We need a couple pieces on defense.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m going with Wil on this one Mike. All those guys back there are JAG’s. I wasn’t as enthused about Amos as most on here and this year he looks very pedestrian. Not to mention, yesterday all he ever tried to do was tackle the ball. I can’ t name one sure-fire starter in the back 4 for next year.

          • Big Mike

            My opinion is that it’s amazing what happens with the addition of a single piece of top end talent. Everyone else gets better. Do you think Bellamy and Thompson were helped because the Packers were doubling and providing safety help with Alshon? If we add 1 CB and a Free Safety, everybody is better. We’ve got so many guys back there now, i can’t keep track. Callahan, Porter, Leblanc, Quartay, Bush and I’m sure that’s not all of them. I can’t keep track of what those any of those guys do well, or poorly. I know I like Amos as a Strong Safety. he’s made some mistakes this year, but all in all, I’d say if he’s paired with a good cover safety, great. I don’t know if that’s where you look for a FA veteran, (playing with an experienced guy would help Amos). I’m worn out waiting for Fuller, but I suspect he’s the CB. So we need another one of those. That group would have potential.

          • CanadaBear

            You like Amos way more than me (most on here like him more than me). I see some flashes from the CB’s but then they disappear and totally suck for stretches. Re-building is a bitch.

          • Big Mike

            The secondary has to play like a cohesive unit. Amos had his best games when he was paired with Rolle last year. The veteran presence, lifted his game. He’s got the tools, he just needs to not be the veteran presence on the field in his second year.

          • CanadaBear

            Hope you’re right but I saw a lack of willingness to engage yesterday that I really didn’t like.

          • SC Dave

            I like Callahan, but he’s probably just too small. But for now, I’d keep him as depth at CB.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Amos is okay. People are riding him for not being a good FS. Duh. He’s a SS.

          • Big Mike

            Exactly. I always check in with MB on DB play. Its not an area of play that I have much insight into other than being joe fan. Over the years I’ve learned how to coach basic man and zone coverages, a bit about technique, but mostly as a backup to another coach who’s played in the secondary.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Deiondre Hall. I wouldn’t have cut Jacoby Glenn either, he was just hot-headed.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We need a NYJ D-lineman.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Callahan, Hall, LeBlanc will all improve. Porter needs to go. I have no idea about Fuller.

          • willbest

            LeBlanc is a nice JAG. Hall hasn’t been healthy enough to evaluate, Callahan is a servicable Nickel. Fuller looks like he plans on taking his $15 million rookie contract and cashing out. Porter is the only one that doesn’t regularly commit PI. And those others are committing PI you can see them grab the hands of the WR without even pretending to look for the ball.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We saw plenty of Hall and Glenn in pre-season (ducks tomatoes). Two nice press corners that closed down everybody they stood in front of – I think it was Glenn that closed down Josh Gordon.

            Porter costs more PIs than any of them I thought, and he’s toast once they go long on him. Porter has to be cut beofer anyone. Zero upside unless you play him at FS.

        • CanadaBear

          Yeah, you can tell that by the way people on the blog love Devin, Lance and #54. Oh wait, now I remember, they treat them like shit.

          • willbest

            Devin did what was best for Devin, he didn’t have to shit all over his former team though. Lance quit but still took a pay check. 54 is a lunkhead, but he is our lunkhead.

          • CanadaBear

            What horrible thing did Devin say? When did Lance quit? If you’re referring to him missing a walk through with permission from the HC, REALLY? His last year he got old, happens to all of them.

          • willbest

            He did get old, but he also got fat in the middle of the season.

          • CanadaBear

            He was always beefy. The only time I ever saw him fat was the last game of the year against the Cheese when they activated him out of the blue. He should never have been on the field. For all those pro bowl seasons I’ll give him a pass on that one.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t think you are aloud to say “fat” anymore. Just saying.

          • CanadaBear

            He’s big boned, beefy, husky, thick, burly, wide and just a touch (dare I say) fat!

          • MB30SD

            Devin was DIRECTLY QUOTED in the press saying that for TWO YEARS he just showed up, did the min, and collected a paycheck.

            That day I said fuck that cuntbag. He was dead to me from then on. There’s a reason FB is the ultimate TEAM sport.

            As for Briggs and 54… Stil and always will love those guys… As dumb as they can be.

          • CanadaBear

            That’s your take. He did not say that. Show me the quote. He said he lost some fire. He still had numerous TD’s after that quote so when he quits, he’s still the best.

          • MB30SD

            Best as being good in history.

            NFL stands for what have you done for me lately.

            Really, you’re going to make me look it up… On Monday. Sigh

          • Big Mike

            No, he did say something close. I think it’s been blown up over the years. It was when Lovie was fired. He said something about it not being fun anymore and hasn’t been for the last two years. He might retire. That’s what I remember. Unless MB has something else.

            http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/69500/emotional-reaction-to-lovie-smiths-firing

          • CanadaBear

            That was about it but he kept right on being the best returner in the league. I always thought his biggest issue was not being very smart and a little too sensitive. Not to mention, he sucked at WR other than using him for just a few plays per game. I think part of it was due to him not being all that intelligent and people like BMarsh were telling everyone he’s the best on the team. Most people would see through that but I’m afraid Devin took that to heart. And then Cutler comes out and basically says he’s not throwing to him because he won’t go up and get it. I rarely get worked up over what a player says. The press do their damnedest to get the players to say cringe-worthy stuff and every now and then someone does.

          • Big Mike

            And it wasn’t fair when the media toyed with Devin. He really was almost a special needs guy.

          • CanadaBear

            That’s why I always cut him some slack. Not very intelligent but very sincere. All his teammates absolutely loved him. That should tell you something.

          • Big Mike

            He was like their pet rock. Lovie was like a Dad to him.

          • CanadaBear

            Exactly. He’s very child like. Not trying to insult him because I respect him as a person but he’s just not going to kick ass on Jeopardy.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He did say it, C-Bear. I lost my shit on the blog.

            No one denies that he was the GOAT return man. Nobody. But when you don’t give your all …

          • Big Mike

            Yes. But Hester suffers from having the IQ of a door knob. Briggs, he didn’t quit, he just got slow and old, right when the HOF LB that was next to him was no longer on the team.

            Here’s what most fans don’t realize. Physical speed becomes apparent 3-4 times a game. Mental speed shows up on every play. Urlacher and Briggs together played mentally at the speed of light. They were wired together. It’s what they relied on as their physical speed was clearly diminishing. When Urlacher left and Briggs was paired up with whoever it was, oh my was that a bad scene..

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Jess, an elephant never forgets.

          • MB30SD

            Jeeeeeessssss

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hester admitted he’d called it in for 2-3 years. Fuck that guy.

            Mind you, he should never have been put at WR unless it was to sprint straight to the endzone, which they never did. Bubble screens. SMH.

          • We love Devin. Just not as a receiver.
            We love Lance. Just not as a BBQ owner.
            We love Lach. Just not with that hair, and not for more than for $2 million which was still better than anyone else in the league was offering.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We needed Lac – even a slow version – the next season … when we were an all-time bad defense. And that a billion dollar organization couldn’t find 5M for him. Well, they got what they deserved.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fuck Devin Hester.

            Lac didn’t deserve bad treatment.

        • Big Mike

          That’s not the top consideration for a guy coming out of his rookie contract.

      • Big Mike

        That’s only slightly over priced. By the end of the deal it will be a bargain. If AJ is on the field for 50-55 of the 64 games over that time frame, it’s a bargain.

    • Big Mike

      They’d have to replace him. The difference between replacing him and keeping him, isn’t that much, for what I believe is a huge upgrade in talent, longevity and control of a player during his prime. WR contracts only go up.

      There is plenty of money to do all of those things. There aren’t FAs that fit this bill. The ones that are close are on the wrong side of their career.

      Having an offer to make is fine. The real question is what will Jeffery take and where do the Bears draw the line. AJ has one lockdown chance in his life, to get everything he can. He’s got to way, the guarantees, with the upside potential, along with how he fits on the team and what stats/wins the team can get.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I like trading down this year. A 4th pick is some nice trading material.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    Oh oh… Butch is out of the playoffs.

    Shady v NBIT for the title. Poor poor poor Butch.

    • MB30SD

      BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

      Poetic justice? or Poetic Justice!

      I vote for the latter.

      Fucking shady… so eeesneaky!

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Lol. And for the record so I don’t have to hear him bitch, my double cross deal that netted NB Julio actually helped butch.

        • MB30SD

          Smh

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Perfect double cross. Every party involved perceived a betrayal of some form or fashion. Bwahaaa…..

        • That Guy

          Yeah, Julio has been useless. Brees was good this week, but useless last week, so I think he’s or less a wash with me starting Russell Wilson.

  • BillW

    Man, I love this blog. Therapeutic and is actually getting me stoked for next year. Not to single anyone out given all the great “morning after” rational comments I’m reading, but Big Mike’s thoughtful analysis got me going.

    • yeah, talking stuff through is great therapy

      • Irish Sweetness

        I am completely over the loss … after venting it out here.

        3-12 is good.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    A coach that wants to turn a 3 win season around goes for the TD on 4th down and doesn’t give Rodgers back the ball. He plays to win, not tie.

    Not a single fan in the stadium blames the team if they don’t make it. I would have gone double TE set and looked for one of them or even called a screen to the wide side on 4th and goal from the 8.

    • Big Mike

      You can’t turn a 3 win season around. But I get where you are coming from. Sell out to beat the Packers. Not going for it though wasn’t a terrible, WTF call. It’s just a different call.

      • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

        What are the odds going against Rodgers in OT? I get that the O had momentum but OT had low odds, and they couldn’t even stop them with what was left on the clock.

        Ah well, had they got the TD they probably would have hit Nelson in stride instead for their TD.

        • Big Mike

          Terrible. I know.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The all-time series was on the line. They evened it up. Apparently I’m the only person bothered by that.

        • Big Mike

          Yep. You are. Worse, they’ve kicked our ass for the last 10 years. They’ve won at soldiers 7 years in a row.

    • CanadaBear

      I was hoping they would spread them out and pound Howard twice. It they lose, they lose.

    • MB30SD

      Yup, I would have pounded it right down their fucking hole 4 times. That’s it, just fucking give everra single thing you’ve got in 4 plays. This is your season…. Go out with a bang…. Right up the packers bhole (and/or ahole… Or both on consecutive plays… Twice)

      • SC Dave

        With Lasike AND Unrein as blocking backs.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Run it twice. Slants, they couldn’t stop that all day.

  • BearDown100393

    The Packers are who we thought they were! That’s why we took the damn
    field! Now, if you want to crown them, then crown their ass! But, they are who we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!

    • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

      RIP Denny Green

      • Irish Sweetness

        Fuck him. I wonder how many women he raped.

    • willbest

      I couldn’t tell if the Packers were backhanding the Bears. Aaron Rodgers had said something like “You know this is the best the field has been this late in the year” as if to imply it was unused.

      • MB30SD

        Fuck that cunt

      • BerwynBomber

        Just looked like the field was in good shape yesterday. Even by eyeball on the TV. Especially compared to some of our usual Dec tilts at Soldier.

        • willbest

          I know it looked good, but I am a hypersensitive Bears fan and that guy is a douche so my confirmation bias tells me he was, as MB puts it, being a cunt.

          • Big Mike

            The field looked good. It’s been used as much this year as any other year. You can only play so many game by the middle of December.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, kinda looked like it usually looks in late Oct/early Nov. Impressive work by the ground crew.

          • CanadaBear

            You don’t need to put so much thought into it. Erin is cocksucker and that’s it.

          • MB30SD

            Bingo!

            Figuratively and literally

          • MB30SD

            NTTAWWT

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    Did Jeff just compare Barkley to Kurt Warner?

    #ultimateBagboy

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    Skip Bayless strokes Skip Bayless.

    Seriously, so stupid this fucking asswipe is, he forgets to switch accounts stroking his own shit show with Shannon Sharpe.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/19/skip-bayless-loves-him-some-skip-bayless/

    I don’t know his show is shit, honestly, because I don’t watch it. I think many other people feel the same.

    • CanadaBear

      Some things you just need to assume based on past history.

    • BillW

      The promos for it are impossible to take – I can’t and won’t imagine what the show is like.

      I saw that too on PFT. The media world we are in is crazy.

    • AlbertInTucson

      As I reminded before,

      Skip Bayless.

      It’s not a name.

      It’s a strong suggestion.

      • CanadaBear

        Well done, Al!

      • SC Dave

        Perhaps this one elevates it to more like an imperative?

        • AlbertInTucson

          “Thou shalt Skip Bayless.”????

          • AlbertInTucson

            One of those commandments on the tablet Moses dropped on the way back down Mt. Sinai (History Of The World-Part I).

    • SC Dave

      That is pretty funny. Or pathetic. Not quite sure which.

    • MB30SD

      One fucking nerd who probably never even played flag football in middle school cause he was too small/nerdy. And a guy who sounds like his tongue is always swollen to 3X its normal size in his mouth.

      I heard Trump is going to move away from waterboarding and movie into just strapping guys into a chair with looping episodes of that garbage on a tv. I’d rather be waterboarded.

  • BerwynBomber

    Still mildly pumped about the final two games. WAS is a better team than the Cheese, and like DET, will be another stern test for Barkley defensively. Plus, WAS also will be fighting for their playoff lives. I’m still a Cousins skeptic, but as someone pointed out last week, his numbers are his numbers, so our D will presumably have its hands full.

    Then the final game against MIN, which will be odd given the Vikings mid-season collapse and provide another road test for our young guys.

    Not only have the Barkley games given us repeated looks at Barkley, but also other new faces like Brown, Kiatowski, Larsen — guys who could be around and contribute next year. Not to mention more looks at potential core guys like Howard, Floyd, Whitehair, Hicks, Meredith, etc.

    Despite yesterday there are a couple/few salvageable players from our CBs, though I’m beginning to think our S’s are even worse than Conte and Wright of a few years back if only because Conte had above average coverage skills.

    • CanadaBear

      I was higher on Kwiat before yesterday. Still looks like he will at least be a backup. Totally agree with the rest of it. I’m not saying Barkley should be given the job next year but I don’t get people saying he’s a good backup. He’s at least as good as the other three QB’s on IR. Cutler has more physical talent but everyone knows the rest.

      • Big Mike

        I think it was game planning that WR/RB was unconventional. I don’t think they prepared for him. Can’t say for sure, but it looked like Kwiatkowski was just a step away on a few plays. Reaction time, not speed was the issue.

      • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

        The kid has heart and drive, but he’s just too small and is an easy pushout for even a mid level OL.

      • SC Dave

        I have to say my price on Kwiat stock dropped a bit yesterday. But he’s a rook, and a year or two on a professional strength regimen and more game experience could net us a solid backup.

        Not sure about his ST performance, but he’s out there on those plays too.

        • willbest

          He was also playing next to Timu. Yeah he has been doing that for a couple weeks, but Detroit really doesn’t have a run game and the 9ers suck donkey balls.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And neitehr is going to be an expert calling plays at this stage in their career. Took Samurai about 3 years for the penny to drop, hence Buddy’s nickname for him.’Stupid’.

    • Big Mike

      I’m sticking to my painful, very very painful wish of losing out with close games all the way to 3-13. I did want to beat the Packers to knock them out of the playoffs. I do want to beat the Redskins (I live in DC area) But damn it, picking 3rd is better than picking 5th.

      I think you’re wrong on the safeties. I like Amos as a SS. I’m holding out hope that Fuller isn’t a POS. It’s in there, we’ve seen it. He just has to get on the field and find it.

      I like the core group. Playoffs 2017.

      • BerwynBomber

        Amos might not be much more than a JAG. He occasionally knocks a little guy like Cole Beasley into next week, but beyond that, I don’t know if he provides much. Seems back-up/ST level. But hey, maybe I’m missing something.

        I’m not giving up on Fuller either but as far as I know he is still a CB. But yes, we could have a decent CB core even with the guys currently on the roster. Sure, a few got singed yesterday, but Rodgers, even hobbled, has seemingly regained his elite form. Hence, not going to read a ton into their Sun performance.

        • Big Mike

          Exactly. How many points did packers drop on Seattle?
          FS and SS have to develop a strong chemistry.  Until the whole is less than… How many rookies and UDFAs has Amos been paired with. That’s all I’m saying. Also the best light you can shine on this situation. Which is where I want l be
          _____________________________

          • AlbertInTucson

            When the Packers got up big on Seattle and the Seahawks promptly folded.

            When the Packers got up big on the Bears, the Bears said “Not so fast, my friend.”

          • willbest

            Its because Barkley doesn’t know he is supposed to suck!

          • Big Mike

            Exactly. Young talent. Heart. Inexperienced mistakes. Add a few pieces and next year everyone will be shocked by the turn around. This was a 7-9 win club without injuries. Making 9-10 wins next year the expected progression. But going from 3 to 9 wins will make it seem like some huge 1 year turn around. You can’t get rid of Fox now. That is all. All I hear about is game management, blah, blah, blah. Every city has a section of fans that think they could manage the game situation better than their head coach. That’s a part of what being a fan is about. Mistakes are made, sometimes mistakes are not made up of what we think we see. Stay the course.

            Pace is going to kill it FA and the Draft. 🙂

          • MB30SD

            agree on the last part

          • Big Mike

            I’ve been channeling your expertise on comments about the secondary. I’m on the blog way more than normal today, because wife is off work and at home (where my office is), I had nothing planned for today, so I needed to appear busy. 🙂

          • MB30SD

            well done.

            Use it as an outlet. Work a little, then come on for a minute to read up and drop a nugget of knowledge on all of these charlatans, then back to work.

            thass how it’s done maings.

          • Irish Sweetness

            People have forgotten about Shaw? He was our #2 this season. Barkley was picked up at McDonalds.

          • Big Mike

            Haven’t forgotten about him. 3rd string guys that look good in pre-season are unknowns. In my opinion we bring back Cutler, Barkley and Shaw and let them compete. Cutler wouldn’t go for it, I don’t think. But I don’t think you let Cutler go. The reason being, some team will have a QB go down and Cutler’s trade value might go up. Also, he might beat out the other guys. I don’t want to hear about how expensive he is. He’s basically a 1 year deal at an affordable price for a veteran.

            For all the praise on Barkley, we’re 1-3 with him. Yeah, had things gone better we could be looking at 4-0. Some of the INTS were on the receivers, one was a hail mary. I see it. The thing with Cutler is we’re never going to be happy with him and everyone else looks promising. I was shocked that Barkley didn’t suck. I love the story. With a full off season of work in the system, working on his technique getting his timing down, etc. He might be a guy. But we’ve seen this around the league before QBs that have a good short run as a back up, until defenses dissect their strengths, weaknesses and tells down to the atomic level.

            I’m hopeful.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Here’s the thing. I don’t like carrying only 2 QBs. Makes no sense. Look what happened this season. So if we keep Cutty for another season, we could still have Barkley/Shaw around, and not risk losing one of them to another team.

          • Big Mike

            No opinion.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Big Mike, Do you listen to THE SPORTS REPORTERS with Steve Czaban and Andy Pollin 4-7 on 980?

        • Big Mike

          I do not.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Used to follow Czaban nationally on ONE ON ONE and SPORTING NEWS.

            I listed to the 980 podcast.

            Really like Pollin, too. He’s close to my gen.

  • BearDown100393

    Rogue One is the Brian Hoyer of the Star Wars franchise.

    • willbest

      Don’t let Irish see you type that. He is still jizzing himself. Doctors are starting to worry about his protein count at this point.

    • CanadaBear

      Since I’ve never seen a Star Wars movie, does that mean the movie is meh?

      • BearDown100393

        It does not embarrass. Everything seems reasonably competent. It gets from Point A to Point B. But in the end, it is no substitute for the original. It just exists. Like a backup.

        • CanadaBear

          If you end up arguing with Irish about this, for god’s sake don’t bring up Fangio!

          • BearDown100393

            Mon Mothma was sort of like Fangio. No, do not send the entire friggin’ fleet to go after the plans. Just hope a few volunteer on a suicide mission. Because the big bad guys are so much better. The better plan is to sit back and hope we do not get blown up.

          • MB30SD

            You can’t send more than 3 or 4 with this D, that’s what irish just can’t comprehend (for whatever reason). If we had even competent DBs back there holding down the fort, sure… but not with the 7-11 managers we have.

          • CanadaBear

            100%. Floyd is so undisciplined he runs around like a chicken with his head cut off. Once he gets his shot, he misses quite often. I like him and think he’s going to be good but he needs to put more thought into it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’s leading the argument for RDPOY C-Bear. He’s got what 10 … 11 sacks? MAtthews has 4.

          • willbest

            One would hope he is the only consideration for RDPOY C-Bear considering he was drafted 9th overall and 2 rounds above the next defensive Rookie.

            And no he doesn’t. Young leads the team in sacks with 7.5 Hicks and Floyd have 7 each.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Sorry yes, I knew he had the same as Willie.

          • CanadaBear

            7 sacks. If you’d watch the game instead of crying about Fangio all game you might have seen him running around being ineffective most of the game.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Bullshit. You send 5 or 6 on that last play and the game was over. You don’t NEED DBs at that point, you just force the QB to lose it. Blitzing negates the need for them. And you certainly send 4. Rodgers ahd all day to find a receiver, and Nelson had time to streak 60 yards down the field.

          • willbest

            You mean the game goes to overtime, where Rodgers with no time constrains does what Rodgers does.

          • willbest

            Also Rodgers has something retarded like a career 105 PR against extra pressure. So you aren’t guaranteeing anything when you rush 5.

          • MB30SD

            With our 4th and 5th string ilbs?!??

            Come on maings… No, you don’t.

            I’m more with you if we have free, trees, and a 100% McFee in there

    • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

      How about Vader’s running between the tackles? Deflecting kill shots and pushing off would be tacklers with ease. He looked a little like Jordan Howard up the gut there.

      His only downside as a Bear would be the amount of time he needs in the hot tub.

      • BearDown100393

        If he stopped to suck down a box of doughnuts, it would have been more like Lacey.

      • Captain Obvious

        He’d be on a PED suspension from day one. You think Vader isn’t flying on painkillers most of the time?

        • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

          I have this vision of him force choking Roger Goodell.

          “I find your lack of faith disturbing.”

          • Captain Obvious

            Are you kidding? Kraft chokes Goodell weekly.

            Word is, Goodell doesn’t have a gag reflex.

      • Irish Sweetness

        That was just awesome wasn’t it?

    • Irish Sweetness

      I thought it was the Joe Montana.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    How about that Jeremy Langford cameo in the 4th quarter on that screen pass?

    It was like when Mick told Rocky to switch back to southpaw.

    “you’re a tank, a greasy fast Italian tank!”

    https://youtu.be/PRJUDKz6BYo?t=152

  • willbest

    Barkley, incidentally, is the first answer to the question “Who is the Bear’s QB next year if not Jay Cutler” that has been acceptable to me, that doesn’t involve us having a top 3 draft pick.

    He has zip, he is reasonably accurate. I am hopeful the communication issues can be worked out with experience. That will up his completion % which is a little low. He seemingly has a short memory for mistakes, and he is reasonably composed under pressure.

    Oh and I like that he has had to be pretty competent in both the snow and ice cold.

    • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

      He’s extremely accurate, pinpoint accurate at short to medium range.

      His long ball sails, but he can work on that.

      • CanadaBear

        Don’t agree about extremely accurate. A lot of those dig and seam routes yesterday could have gone for A LOT more yardage if they had been more accurate. Don’t get me wrong, I like Barkley but if he hits some of those in stride, they are going to the house or close to it.

        • He’s no Hoyer!

          I think a lot of that is timing. He’s had some time to develop a rapport but his WRs are still scrubs.

          W Alshon it’s a bit diff.

          He needs to learn when Alshon wants it over the top (like yesterday) or back shoulder, or short, etc.

          That’s one thing that Cutler and Alshon excelled at.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Cutty has a terrible long ball too.

    • BerwynBomber

      Agreed, though his zip seems just barely enough at times, though in fairness, that is the one thing Cutty has spoiled us with the last eight years: a Jeff George-like cannon.

      Barkley also navigated the pocket well yesterday, or at least better than his previous starts, though the Cheese pass rush, beyond Pep’s strip sack, was largely non-existent most of the game.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    I guess it’s piss in Irish’s Wheaties day, so let me add this:

    Timu did not impress. Timu was often behind the play and took weird angles and was penalized a few times. He’s nobody’s answer at ILB, guy is ST material only.

    • CanadaBear

      A-Men, Brother.

    • willbest

      What does he do on ST? I thought he was pretty slow.

    • willbest

      I think Kwait plays better with Freeman out there. Don’t they have him calling the D now? I am okay with our ILB set up heading into next year. Danny might not get back to form until October, but if the rook spends his winter studying film he should be able to hold his own.

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      • Irish Sweetness

        Nick messed up mightily yesterday. 250 yards on the ground? They’re both culprits at that point.

    • Captain Obvious

      Timu has hit his ceiling. I wasn’t pleased with Kwiatkowski’s performance, but that guy’s a rookie with time to grow into the role. Timu is what he will be.

      Which is not a starter.

      Let’s not forget the play where Timu was on a WR and was nowhere near covering him, and the wideout simply dropped the ball. I don’t expect an ILB to cover a WR, but he’s got to be able to work his zone and not look like he’s McClellin running around in circles.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Trevathan can’t cover either. Timu looks to be a ST guy in fairness. No one ever said he should be starting in front of the other two.

    • Yup. Don’t we still have Anderson?

      Give him a shot.

      Freeman will be back anyways, but why risk even inj him?

    • Irish Sweetness

      I agree.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    Looks like Jeff picked a Twatter fight with Greg Gabriel.

    Jeff, don’t pick on the elderly. It’s not nice.

    • BearDown100393

      Who?

      • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

        some guy on the Score who is older than Terry Boring.

        Now that Terry Boring is stepping down, I wonder who they will get to wash Dan Bernstein’s balls every day on the radio wavez.

        • BerwynBomber

          Rozner or Cowley? Maybe bring back a guy like Finfer? I imagine McNeil wants back in but I can’t imagine the Score signing up for his diva act yet again. I hope they don’t promote Abbatacola. Dude’s a moron.

      • CanadaBear

        He used to be head of scouting for the Beloved, back in the Lovie days.

        • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

          and scouting was so good for so many years.

          • CanadaBear

            It’s like you have no respect for the Glitchy regime. Still love that nickname for him. Thanks for that!

    • BerwynBomber

      The Score has some decent NFL/Bears regular guests — Florio, Billick, Biggs, Hub, etc, — but Gabriel is a snooze and never says much beyond the obvious.

    • Didn’t he interview Greg once?

      I remember making the remark, “he scouted for Angelo, how great can he be?”

  • MB30SD
  • willbest

    And the Russian Ambassador to Turkey has been assassinated to round out an already busy year.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Stop reading fake news Will. He he

      • willbest

        Well he has been assassinated. Of course, who did it (Russian false flag, CIA trying to start WW3, ISIS retaliation for Russia propping up Assad) we may never know.

        • MB30SD

          Doooooon’t caaaaaaare.

          I’m sick of this shit maings. More important stuff to worry about, like what’s for lunch, and should I bother shaving my balls before my date thursday.

          …you know, the important stuff.

          • willbest

            Shouldn’t she like sucking on harry balls?

          • MB30SD

            Don’t know… that’s probably a very personal decision for each girl. Since this one is 25, I’m guessing she doesn’t like a lot of hair since manscaping is a newish thing.

            That said, she obviously has daddy issues, so maybe I’m thinking about it all wrong. either way, the plan is to find out will my maings.

          • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

            Daddy issues.

            Fish. Barrel.

          • MB30SD

            ejees.

            She’s allll tatted up. I loves me some tatts

          • willbest

            I haven’t dated in this new modern era. How does one go about getting such information. You just send her a text morning of “You like harry balls, I don’t want to shave if I don’t gotta”

          • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

            it’s in his Tinder profile.

          • MB30SD

            indeed

          • MB30SD

            Nah, not asking. I shave ’em all the time regardless of whether I have a date or not.

            Manscaping is important. That and you never know when you’re going to close something. I usually take my own advice, but was reminded friday night that you should always be ready… lest you close something and have hairy everything because you’ve been lazy and decided fuck it, not really out to close anything tonight.

          • I trim a bit but I don’t shave by balls. Too pussy to have a razor near my moneymakers!

            Maybe I’ll nair them!

            (NTTAWWT?)

          • MB30SD

            I shave errathing. My cock too. You just need to find a trimmer you trust and learn how to use it young padowan.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            What are you, Greek? Cro Magnon? Who has enough wang hair to shave it? #ChewbaccaDick

          • willbest
        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          All of the above?

        • AlbertInTucson

          Shooter was a Turkish cop.

          Yelled “Allauha Akbar” before he was cut down.

          Think CIA or RUSSIANS could get guys to do a suicide mission like that?

  • AlbertInTucson

    The Bears were 11 yards short (Jeffrey 89)of 3 different receivers with 100+ yards.

    Has that ever happened for them?

    • MB30SD

      not with cutler at QB. Fucking lock-on jay. (and usually to opposing DBs)

      • Irish Sweetness

        Jay does lock on to AJ. No doubt.

  • willbest

    Skins are only 3.5 point favorites. That is amazing considering they currently hold the #6 seed (thanks to their tie) and we are a 3-win team without even divisional motivation.

  • MB30SD

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Jay Cutler has the strongest arm on earth. And he sails a million throws. A million.

    Damn, didn’t know it was that many. Good stat-finding jeff!

    • willbest

      Polifact: Pants on Fire. While it is true that this was hyberbole, Jeff has previously been guilty of bad think so we farmed this out to the Aspies. They have pointed out that in Cutler’s entire career dating back to catch with his dad he has thrown no more than 237,892 passes. Therefore he could not have sailed a million throws.

      • MB30SD

        I was just fucking with him… reading that in my head made me laugh.

  • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

    What is the vote on Star Wars Virtual Cushing?

    This was not Steve McQueen in the cornfield for the new Mustang. This was a full on performance, with MORE lines of dialog and character interaction than Real Cushing had in Star Wars.

    I understand his widow and his estate are getting $, but holy fuck was that the slippery slope.

    I draw the line at Virtual Gandolfini as Virtual Tony. Where is art and where is sacrilege? If he gets nominated, who gets nominated? ILM?

    • BearDown100393

      I noticed his foul stench.

    • willbest

      Didn’t they have Virtual Bruce Lee selling vodka. Legally speaking the dead have no rights to their image, its just considered such poor form from a social standpoint, companies don’t do it. But once that damn breaks expect it to see it everywhere.

    • EnderWiggin

      I was OK with it. I found it nostalgic.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I could not tell it was CGI (other than that I knew Cushing died 20 years ago). I was impressed by that. Leia looked CGI and doesn’t have freckles anyway.

      All the original actors signed their likenesses away to Fox, so I don’t know why they ponied up.

  • Yaaaaaawn. Did we lose again? Bleh.

    Ok, so, I promised a titillating story to relieve our Bears mondays, and I got a doozer for u guys.

    But be forewarned, this WILL get borderline Penthouse and rather in depth, so there ya go.

    As I have hinted, I started talking to this 18 yr old chick. I can’t say where we met cuz might tip off my ID, but I assure you, it wasn’t at a bar (she can’t even enter), kinky website, or even regular website cuz I don’t have Tinder or whatever other crap playas use.

    It all started off rather innocuous. Series of messages. Then she says she has to get off her comp cuz it’s late. OK. So I’m about to sign off, then she adds, “so you can text me.”

    Ok. Good sign. Progression from msg to texting.

    We began texting. The usual stuff added with some discussion of art and lit.

    So ends that night. Next night we begin texting again. Go for the more superficial hodgepodge: kinda music you listen to? Where exactly do you live? Music preferences (at this point I never really ask about family or exes or any of that domestic shit cuz that KILLS romance).

    What kinda TV shows, she asks. I say, I kinda don’t watch too many, and the only recent one I’ve watched with any interest is West World. But, I say, it has a lot of fucking, murdering and drinking – general debauchery, so not sure you would be too interested.

    Sidebar. So, this is how the Butch method works

    Sexualize WHATEVER you can, but rather innocently, like above. She tells you she works for subway, you text, “Oh, so you like footlongs, eh? lol” if they bit, YOU’RE in. If they just continue on their merry convo, then, it’s gonna be work.

    So, she responds, “Oh, that’s ok. I like that stuff. And That’s why I like Orange is the New Black. Lots of girl on girl scenes.”

    And this is how it begins….

    That leads to a series of escalating interactions like that she wants me to skull fuck her. Yeah, that from “what do you like watching”.

    But, then I begin doubting reality. Like, no way could she be real. Ugh, this is prolly some 50 yr old Tranny texting with buttplugs (NTTAWWT, MB).

    So, I ask for pics, to which she more than happily obliges. EAGERLY.

    Yup. FOREALS.

    VERY real.

    So I never really ask age cuz I’m older and obviously she’s younger. Don’t need to blow it, right? But she asks, and I answer. Then I ask her, and she answers. After she finds out I’m that much older, she begins calling me “Daddy”. So, I’m ok with that since I’m not really a real dad.

    How does she look you’re wondering? Well, you know I like the low-maintnence sixes usually, but she’s def higher.

    (I sent MB a pic, so maybe he can back-me up with his impossible shallow hal standards).

    Basically thick in the right places, with a beautiful face – Cat green eyes, plump red lips – milky skin.

    The works.

    So at this point, I’m wasting NO time.

    I set up a date, we go out, and bang bang.

    I mean, the second we were in the car, I had my hands up her short skirt and she was rubbing my stick shift while driving.

    But, this is just the beginning. Get her back to a room, and really go to work. And at this point, I’m thinking. No way she’s a freak like over texts. Most girls talk a big game, but then get shy in person.

    NOPE. If anything, she was even MORE aggressive in person. Right when I closed the door, she got on her knees and began licking my boots. Yup. LICKING. MY. BOOTs.

    So I’m a lil kinky, but this girl is like Schizer porn kinky, but I’ll be damned if I’m a prude.

    So, we do all kinds of stuff. I’ll spare you the details, but needless to say, I took care of biz James Deen style.

    But, then comes the interesting.

    She wants me to pee in her mouth.

    Now, ole butch is no Amish, but I’ve never done this.

    However, I am a ppl pleaser! So she lays down, I stick it in and….

    NOTHING.

    I couldn’t freaking piss in her mouth. Like 35+ yrs of potty training conditioned me to cease and desist.

    Keep in mind, I REALLY wanted to go cuz I just drank like an 8 pack. So, there she is staring at me. There I am staring down at her. As if this couldn’t get more awkward, eh?

    (Pharma create a pill for that!)

    But, I have another beer near buy, so kinda buy some time playing with her, while I pound yet another beer.

    Finally I’m about to blow, but since I’ve never done this before, don’t know exactly the reaction. Will she start rubbing her face in it, thus wetting all the blankets? Will she vomit? Will she just take it all in?

    So, I found out the root of my PD (Pee dysfunction). I couldn’t pee in her ON THE BED.

    So, I dragged her to the restroom, put her on her knees, and peeeeed.

    Now, if you think a drunk pee is the most gratifying thing on earth after holding it in too long, imagine a hot 18 yr old girl with bright green eyes and plump red lips taking it all in while doing so.

    It was…interesting.

    And yes, she did end up gagging and I had to quickly offload some in the sink, so note to future degenerates, first try the restroom to see how much she could take in.

    So, she finished me off. I cleaned up a lil. Then, we kinda slept and fucked the rest of the night.

    Anyways, she’s a freak, and I like it; Better than stories about Mimosas at Applebees, that’s for sure.

    I also blame her for my FF demise as because of her, I have been neglecting my due FF diligence…but what a way to lose!

    • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

      This now must be your avatar:

      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/2d/f2/cc/2df2cc95f031b4ff7dad6350e4327086.jpg

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      • Lol who is that?

        The real Dirk Diggler?

        • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

          Golden Richards.

          of course

          • ER was also a hit in 1998.
            One of us is going to end up there I assume.

    • MB30SD

      Good story.

      Interesting. Never had a girl ask me to piss on her, never mind give her a fucking 64 Ounce big gulp (see what I did there). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=praFGD51ih8

      I’d be into it I guess. Why not.

      Definitely not my style, the chola-style painted eyebrows freak me out a little… but I’m willing to give you a mainstream 6.5-7 on that. She of course gets extra for being a freak.

      • Haha. Well, doubt she’s a chola unless there’s French cholas [new keyword search!]

        Haha, yes, and she might actually be FREAKIER.

        But, I’ll refrain from other details lol

        Goddamn I take back every horrible thing I threw at the French.

        VIve le Bleu!

        • MB30SD

          Hmmmm, she looks ethnic (which I like), but yes I’m picky and I like certain things and not others.

          I use the binary scale usually. Am I attracted and want to make a move, or not. 0 or a 1.

          After that individual things like hair color, eye color, height, etc… don’t matter.

          general attraction and chemistry are all you need for a first date close. The rest will figure itself out.

        • CanadaBear

          You just wouldn’t listen to your old (and I do mean old) pal, would ya? Love my French wife! Although she’s not like that.

          • MB30SD

            what, all french girls don’t like drinking 64 ounces of piss right from the hose?!?

            Good lord butch has a knack for finding these things.

          • You know the 2nd odd part about last week was yet another fuck story.

            So, last week, I go to this club and meet an OOOOLD friend I hadn’t seen in years. I mean, like 15 years.

            I used to date his friend. She was actually the last “official” ex I had b4 I decided to become a comfirmed bachelor (I was about 19 then).

            So, we catch up, we swig, we smoke, etc

            And he’s with this girl. She’s cute. Total 6-7. RIght up my alley.

            But I wasn’t sure he was with her.

            He even tells me to dance w her. But I’m getting these vibes like, she likes him, maybe he’s not into her, or something like that.

            Anyways the 3 of us go dance, and she gets all up on me.

            Now, I’m not an idiot. I figure she’s using me as a way to get him jealous.

            So I kinda dance away. Do my thing. Then hit the bar and leave them.

            They’re both sloshed, and sure enough, they end up kissing.

            Now, this came after repeated proclamations on both parties that they weren’t together.

            Dunno know exactly what’s going on, but whatevs. End of night. No biggie.

            We party again last Fri.

            Same girl, except two other girls are now dancing with him and me.

            But, that girl I think wants in. She begins dancing with me again, but this time, I start dancing back after AGAIN asking repeatedly that they’re not bf/gf.

            They’re not apparenlty cuz he started making out with other chicks. So I get with the 6-7.

            I tell her to come over after she drops off her friends. She does.

            And bam. First thing she does when she gets in the room is bend over, so game on.

            But this girl asked me to put on a condom, kept squirming a bit when I twisted her nips whispering, “not so hard”

            And all I’m thinking is “Fuck, this is boring” a one night stand mind you with no strings attached.

            I’m ruined!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_CULy_-5FI

          • MB30SD

            yep. I’ve been with 3 girls who can come over and over and over.

            Now girls who cum and done once, I’m like… nope… next!

            Lot’s of ways to get ruined. Just takes one of something you REALLY like.

          • This “tame” girl is typical.

            So, I literally have only met her twice. Talked for maybe 10 mins tops.

            To be honest, I don’t even know her name. Gonna have to pull a Seinfeld “Mulva?”

            But, even after we do a drunken one night stand, she STILL won’t send me nudy pics!

            I’m like, I’ve seen you ass naked.
            But she’s ok with texting me stuff like “I miss your c#ck” etc etc

            WTF?

            Naturally, she’s got a BA in sociology something or other. Have a feeling her feminist training conflicts with her sense of LIVING.

            And in the back of my head I’m thinking, “This other chick will send me whatever pics I want and then some. I tell her what to wear and how to pose and what to do, and ‘Click” I want a pic of her in a santa hat, short skirt, high heels and no panties. Done.”

            Guess which one I’m gonna be seeing more…

          • MB30SD

            oh god. run.

            she sounds sooo lame. I’ve talked with girls online then moved to text and asked, “hey, need a cute pic of you for you contact card in my phone” and more than one girl’s replied with, NO! I don’t send pics to guys I’ve never met before. I’m like, uhhhh, I meant a normal pic of your face. still NOPE! I don’t do that.

            Thats the last time I text them or reply.

          • CanadaBear

            Bitches!

          • Should’ve heeded ya, Canada!

            Also, how is Quebec this time of year? lol

          • CanadaBear

            Have no idea, thank goodness! The province is beautiful but I don’t speak French very well (I’m being kind) and don’t get along with her dad very well (again, being kind). Sometime you should go to Montreal during one of the festivals in the summer. You’d be happy with all the good looking women and most of them are in great shape. Gotta love that!

    • BearDown100393

      “When Virginia Met Ted”

      • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

        yowza

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      Da Bears Pee Pee blog !

      • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

        Gooooooooolden Slumbers make the blog…
        Smiles await you when you read…

        sleep pretty blogger do not cry
        little Butch will sing you a lullabye.

        • Irish Sweetness

          And now it’s time to say good night … good night sleep tight ….

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      Funny, I remember when I first started posting on this blog. Jeff blocked me or deleted my post for something. I have no recollection of what it was, but it certainly wasn’t an R. Kelly tale.

      • haha I don’t think that many are on this blog after this season in Dec.

        But if he asks me to stop posting R-rated stuff like this, might oblige.

        But Jeff is a New Yorker. Sure he gets plenty of these stories and then some at the bar.

  • MB30SD

    tough story to follow butch.

    So, I’m just gonna go wid dis: http://cdn3-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2016/12/whoops.jpg

    • Big Mike

      LMAO.

      • MB30SD

        Did you know that Trump is 6’3″?!?!

        I didn’t know that… totally changed my outlook. I should have voted for him… he sooo taaaaall!

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          He still moonlights for the WWF occasionally. ; )

          • MB30SD

            well, he is a fat cunt

          • WWF name?

            The Tiny Hand Strangler

            He’ll put you to sleep, it’ll just take a while.

        • Captain Obvious

          He’s 6’2″ and has been 6’2″ his entire adult life… until his weight crept up so high that being 6’2″ would put him in the “obese” BMI range. Then, magically, his doctor made him 6’3″. So now he’s just under the “obese” range and is ONLY “overweight.”

          Yeah, an obese 70 year-old who eats fast food and doesn’t exercise is about to take a very stressful job. What’s the over/under on how long he lives in office?

          • willbest

            He has beautiful genes. The Best genes. Lots of longevity in those wonderful great genes.

          • Johnnywad

            They’re tremendous. Just tremendous

        • Irish Sweetness

          Dude, you voted for Clinton?

          • MB30SD

            I don’t vote g$, waste of Fucking time in Cali… We’re always blue no matter what.

            No if I lived in Florida or Michigan, yes, I would have voted shit sandwich instead of giant douche

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      It turns out all the publicans he ran against were actually his future cabinet members.

  • Do I think Matt Barkley is better than Jay Cutler? No. I’m not insane.
    But I really believe the organization has decided to move on. – Jeff

    But generally speaking, ppl don’t “move on” unless they truly feel a better option is available.

    That’s the way the world works. BBD.

    I think ppl all too often confuse “better” for “talented”.

    Just cuz a person is naturally talented does NOT mean he is in fact “better.”

    All one has to do is look at Brady’s combine to confirm this fact.

    Or look at guys like McMahon, Brees, Floutie, who were not protypical in any sense but squeezed every last drop of talent to rise above mediocrity.

    • willbest

      I don’t think Barkley is better than Jay Cutler. And he won’t ever have Cutler’s cannon. But I think there is a reasonable chance that Barkley could be better than Jay Cutler given a full season as QB1 because he seems to see the field better than Jay.

      And that isn’t Jay locking in on Jeffery, I have proven he doesn’t do that. But Jay does look his first option down in the wait to see if they get open and I will wing it in there the way in which McCown, Hoyer, and Barkley don’t.

      Also, the Bears are not in a win now state the way they were in 2013 when the wheels fell off the defense. And while Cutler probably has 2-3 more productive seasons in him, he isn’t the long term answer at the position he was 2-3 years ago. So the risk on moving on from him into QB purgatory is mitigated because we are going to find ourselves there anyway.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I like his pocket presence/awareness.

        He shows the ability to slip away rushers.

        The blindside strip by Peppers is on the tackle, on the QB.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yeah, he slips loose the way Cutty doesn’t see to be able to do.

      • The fatal flaw I see in Cutler is no anticipation.

        A few former WRs of him had said as much.

        Jay must see the WR open b4 he throws it. That’s what was driving Martz crazy.

        This might be a habit he got away with at the lower levels because his arm is so live, he can just gun it in.

        But in the NFL, those windows close fast, and dbacks, esp good ones, lock unto his eyes, and game over.

        There’s other liabilities like ball security, mechanics, durability, etc but I think lack of anticipation is why he’ll always flounder around .500

      • Irish Sweetness

        We nearly beat GB yesterday, and we had a decimated team. We could win with Barkley/Shaw. Grasu back at Center. Whitehair/Sitton/Long at G. New tackles. He could win.

    • Barkley has 2 things going for him that Cutler doesn’t.

      1) Age. He’s 26, Cutler is 34 and has a lengthy injury history.

      2) Cost. It’s tough to have Cutler on the roster competing for the starting spot with a rookie. Not so with Barkley.

      Basically, it comes to this: after what we’ve seen from Barkley the last 4 games, it would be insane to just toss him to the scrap heap. It would be equally insane to bank on him as your guy going forward.

      Thankfully his age/contract situation makes the middle ground a perfectly viable and realistic option this offseason.

      (and I still think they’ll get something back for Cutler. Probably not as much value as they would have at any point in the last 2 years due to his down season in performance and injuries this year, but still something)

      • Internet Smug Prick #9 (GP)

        What Jay is worst at: hitting the seam route, hitting a crossing route in stride.

        This is what Barkley is best at.

        Barkey throws a very catchable ball, it has a bit of wobble, and great touch. He can’t gun it into the hole (that’s what she wanted) but he anticipates where the route will come open very well.

        He seems to be able to play chess after the snap, which is what good QBs can do.

        • willbest

          Unless they trade Cutler, I don’t see them cutting him until after the draft and maybe not even until camp. As Irish says, maybe somebody loses a QB and all of a sudden Cutler becomes next year’s Bradford and we can get more than we are supposed to for him.

          • Big Mike

            This

          • Malice Halice

            If we can get a CB or S from the proposing team and 2nd round pick with a conditional 3rd would be ideal for cutler.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            A Christmas Story?

      • Big Mike

        he can hold Barkley’s clipboard 🙂

      • AlbertInTucson

        Barkley has 2 things going for him that Cutler doesn’t.

        THREE Things.

        His body language has not been declared toxic by the media.

    • Big Mike

      All I want is for the QB position to be settled. Let Cutler and Barkley compete. We know what Cutler is. We don’t know what Barkley is.

      • willbest

        Not having even seen a professional level football practice I have a hard time understanding what training camp will show between the two of them that Barkley’s 6 game audition won’t.

        I am under no circumstances letting Barkley walk. Worst case scenario he hold Cutler’s clipboard next year, and will pay him 3.5 million to do that.

        • Big Mike

          The biggest thing about the off season for a QB is learning the offense, (6 games doesn’t cut it), footwork, technique and timing. In a nutshell, the coaching staff is working to make the QB better. Barkley has room to grow with this offense and as an NFL player. Consider this like his 2nd year in the NFL. Cutler is Cutler.

          Absolutely, keep Barkley

        • The “looks good in practice” line is BS mostly.

          Look no further than how “great” Bears looked in practice under Trestman.

          I haven’t played football on a professional level, but I’ve played it enough and practiced enough to know some players are “gamers”. Just are. They don’t look like animals in practice, but come game time, the crowds are out, the adrenaline up, something in them clicks.

          I think this is even more true for QBs where the position involves more mental concepts integrated with muscle memory.

          Just look at this year. Kap supposedly looked like Krap during practice while Gabbert was looking like Joe Montana in practice.

          What happened? Gabbert got benched, and Kap put together better games (albeit, that might be damning with faint praise).

          These games are invaluable to Barkley and POX.

          Nothing can simulate a 300 pounder closing in on you like a bull.

        • Irish Sweetness

          For a 1st tender RFA, I don’t think he’s going anywhere. But we need to captialize on Cutty’s value.

      • Malice Halice

        Barkley is much better than Osweiller for sure. Barkley put up way more 300yrd gamed than Brock did last year already. I don’t care about the Wins Brock got cuz those wins were all D. Barkley need to start. Cutler need to go.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Shaw? And there would be no competition – if they keep Cutty they’re starting him. They wouldn’t keep the cash on the bench would they?

        • Big Mike

          Hard to say what they will do. Hang on to him for trade value? Someone loses a starter, off goes cutler. Keep him as a mentor for a season? Play him. The popular opinion is he’s gone. I don’t know why. But Ctuler and Chicago seem to never have fallen for each other. Every mistake he mistakes is 10x worse than when another QB makes that make mistake and so on.

    • Irish Sweetness

      They’re probably just smarter than your average Bear, so to speak. Ditka called McMahon the smartest player he ever coached, and Steve Young said he learned the game of football watching Mac play. Brees is playing as well as he ever did right now apparently.

  • willbest

    Eddie Royal heads to injured reserve.

    • MB30SD

      shocking. he done (sadly, really like him when he’s healthy)

      • SC Dave

        Looking more that way all the time. Oh well.

      • Big Mike

        He’s at that stage in his career, where playing 8 games in a season requires a full medical team.

        • willbest

          He is only 30. Then again, Brandon Marshall who is 32 has his own blood spinning machines.

          • Big Mike

            oh wow… seems like he’s been in the league forever… Maybe he can stick around.

        • MB30SD

          Yep

  • Big Mike

    The danger of winning 1 more game. I have never pulled for the Bears to lose. However at this point, I would not mind losing out, and the closer the games the more painful, but the better. See losing to packers..

    A single win, has the potential to put us in a tie with the rams and the jets for the 4th pick of the draft. I don’t know who has SOS advantage or what, but the worse case is we drop to 6th in the first round, than draft 4th in the second, 5th in the third, 6th in the fourth. – VS drafting 3rd in all rounds. Or if Jacksonville can beat TN or Indy alternating the 2nd pick of each round. You’d think we have the tie-breaker because they beat us, but it is strictly SOS.

    Even worse, if the Bears win out, they could potentially drop to a 3 way tie for 7th.

    The 2nd or 3rd pick in each round would be might fine.

    • MB30SD

      dis

    • willbest

      Washington is playing for its playoff life. Even if they win tonight they still have TB and GB nipping at their WC heels. They will come motivated even if they are on a short week.

      Minny game will be different. The only way Minny has a shot at the playoffs is if the Redskins lose 2 of their last 3 games. It is almost a certainty that is going to be an anything can happen honor/pride game.

      Looking at the schedule, I feel bad for the Lions. The most likely scenario is their week 17 showdown with GB is going to be for the division, and they will be playing on a short week.

      • Big Mike

        I think i will be a lions fan that week.

        • willbest

          I think it was a couple years ago when we were all spot Lion’s fans too.

      • BerwynBomber

        I don’t feel bad for DET. Triplette and his crew basically game them a W eight days ago. Fuck them.

        • willbest

          You will feel better when you open up your new toy April 27, 2017

          • BerwynBomber

            Nah. At this point I’m not worried about draft position unless we are talking a huge fall — eight or nine spots or so. Plus, there are no can’t miss QBs in this draft. I won’t sweat whether we draft 3rd or 6th.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Washington’s defense stinks out loud.

        Despite the presence of Josh Norman and Ryan Kerrigan, they have a conversion rate, against, on 3rd and long that is just shy of 50%.

    • Irish Sweetness

      This si th eonly thing that pulled me back from the ledge after that loss. You’re right, we needed the loss. Donald, Williams etc. Let’s get the stud this time …

      • Big Mike

        The way to look at this and enjoy the season since about game 5 or 6 when the team was wiped out by injury has been to assume we were going to lose. So you look at positive plays, players, effort etc. We really are putting a JV squad out there. It’s remarkable they’ve been close all season.

  • willbest
    • BearDown100393

      Probably wear sleeves also.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      So much fake news to choose from these days.

  • beninnorcal

    Should have handed the ball to Howard on 3rd and goal. He was stopped the play before, but he was really coming on in the 4th, and I don’t think he would’ve been denied. As someone pointed out below, they could’ve pounded it again on 4th.
    When they settled for the FG all us Near fans knew what would follow.
    Still an entertaining game that I enjoyed.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Dude. If I had a dog I would have falttened the fucker. I was physically gutted by the end of that game. Fkn Rodgers getting all day. @^$#!

  • beninnorcal

    Also, after shoring up this secondary a bit, we’ll have really closed the gap on the Pack. I think the era of Erin dominating the Bears D is ending. This young defense will out-last Mrs Rodgers.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Quarterbacks – rightly or not – are judged by wins and losses and titles. It’s a different position.”

    Wins and losses, yes. To a degree. But I would still lean toward performance efficiency #s in the context of their eras over a mere W-L record. Doesn’t Hoyer have a better W-L record than Cutler? Think he is better?

    Titles? Not really. Otherwise, you would consider Bradshaw and Aikman as two of the top four greatest QBs in the last fifty years, and guys like Dilfer, Rypien and Doug Williams as good as Rodgers, Brees and Steve Young, and vastly superior to guys like Marino and Jim Kelly.

    • willbest

      Hoyer and Cutler are both right around .500

    • Irish Sweetness

      Terry Bradshaw. The luckiest SOB in the history of QBs.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Delhomme has been to the same number of Super Bowls as Brees and Rodgers. And while the Panthers lost, he was brilliant in that second half.

    Yes, but, for whatever reason, his production plummeted sharply after that Super Bowl. His next playoff game was a 5 INT gem.

    • Wow. Kinda the pre-Palmer.

      • AlbertInTucson

        The Cardinals pass protection sucks. Palmer’s paid the price.

        • Irish Sweetness

          David Johnson is breaking the NFL record for 100 yard games in a season. How is that with a bad line. Are they awesome run-blockers and suck at pass-pro? I haven’t really seen them this season.

          • AlbertInTucson

            David Johnson is a beast. They run block better than they pass block but, their pass protection has been bad under Arians.

            Kicking game stinks too. Lost them at least TWO and maybe 3 games this year.

    • ButtonShoes

      Has it gotten to the point where we have to settle for Delhomme? Is that how bad it is?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Brock Osweiler is officially benched.

    An 18 million dollar bath for Houston.

    • willbest

      $37 million

      • AlbertInTucson

        Need a bigger bathtub.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      And dont forget the Cutler deal eventually got Denver to a couple of SB’s. Horsemouth’s got game.

      • willbest

        Really? Cutler’s 2015 was light years better than both Oz and Peyton. Or are you saying if they hadn’t traded Cutler they would never have brought Elway in?

    • BuddhaJoe

      Still don’t get why they thought a guy who got benched for Peyton Manning’s corpse last year was worth that kind of cash.

      • AlbertInTucson

        And Denver was willing to pony up up a chunk of change to KEEP him but got outbid.

        • Irish Sweetness

          That’s the killer. Elway wanted him as their #1!

      • willbest

        They pulled him the second they could justify it to get Peyton back in. It was a bad game against a rather competent Chiefs defense if I recall.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He wasn’t. Their GM is blind.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Another landing spot for Cutty …

  • ButtonShoes

    “Matt Barkley looks every bit an NFL quarterback”

    How many times a day do you say that to make yourself believe that, Jeff? 100? 200?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Are you saying Barkley doesn’t?

      • ButtonShoes

        Barkley looks like an NFL backup QB. At best.

        The only solution for this team going forward is to draft a quarterback. DRAFT. Not put their faith in a QB they picked up off the NFL scrap pile.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Disagree.

        • willbest

          Cutler ppg – 14.8
          Hoyer ppg – 16.6
          Barkley ppg – 22.75

          • Scharfinator

            Pretty telling stat. Especially since this was the first one where he had our “#1” receiver back.

          • willbest

            Oh and just to drive it more home

            Barkley 3 games without Royal, 3 games with Alshon, no white, 1 game with Wilson, no games with Miller. And Sitton/Long busted.

          • Irish Sweetness

            When GB sent the house yesterday (seet hat Vic?) he managed to avoid the sack. That was impressive. He’s a squirrel.

        • Irish Sweetness

          His numbers were better than A-Rod’s yesterday.

          What does an NFL backup QB look like? It just means the guy who’s next in line, not that they’re bad. Tony Romo is a backup.

          Matt Barkley is a decent QB. I like how he deals with pressure.

  • BuddhaJoe

    1. Barkley deserves a chance to compete for the starting job, but they still need to draft or sign somebody else too.

    2. They’re ignoring Howard too much. It seems like they’re either purposely throwing Barkley into the fire to evaluate him or Loggains is a dumbass. Probably the latter.

    3. Biggsy doesn’t think that Jeffery will be around next year so that’s another hole that will have to be filled if true. Losing confidence in this regime.

    • ButtonShoes

      1. If Barkley wants to come back here, it’s as the #2. Our future at QB is in the draft.

      2. I’m with you. Howard is the one surefire draft success this team has and they don’t give him the ball? Only explanation is that Loggains is a dumbass.

      3. If this team lets go of our only legit WR in Jeffrey, then Pace, Fox, Phillips, and the entire McCaskey clan need to be stuffed into a giant cannon and launched into Lake Michigan.

      • AlbertInTucson

        3.Because YOU know what Jeffrey’s agent is going to demand?

        • ButtonShoes

          All I know is what I read in that Brad Biggs article. And Biggs seems to think the Bears are going to let Alshon go, which would be colossally stupid.

          • AlbertInTucson

            In essence, you’re saying pay him, even if he wants to be valued like an Antonio Brown or an Odell Beckham? He is neither of those.

      • willbest

        Unless you can name the future QB right now, this moment, the future QB is not in the draft.

        • ButtonShoes

          Don’t we have to draft someone, though? Or do we excuse Pace for not drafting a QB for the 3rd straight year in a row?

          • willbest

            Sure go ahead and draft your Garrett Grayson or AJ McCarron or Zach Mettenberger or your Matt Barkley or even Kirk Cousins in the 3rd or 4th. But none of those guys were drafted to be the starter.

            Cousins was a back up, full stop. Now he is on his way to back to back seasons with a top 6 QBR. Wilson and Dak… The position is so important that its not a waste of a draft pick to buy the lotto ticket every couple years.

            The problem for the Bears thanks to Angelo/Emery is we have too many needs and when you are in triage mode buying the lotto tickets on a QB, particularly when your guy isn’t terrible, looks a lot more costly in the short term.

            If we trade Cutler then I think we absolutely need to draft a QB, however if we trade Cutler we will have the extra pick to do that. But if we keep Cutler for camp and maybe even to give him the chance to win the starting job because we just aren’t sure about Barkley and maybe Cutler tore a ligament in week one and the *shocked* lied about it being a sprain, then I won’t burn Pace in effigy if he again decides to spend those picks on DBs.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Then again, I wouldn’t mind throwing a bunch of money at Cousins if Washington doesn’t sign him. He’s done enough to convince me and that would avoid the crap shoot all together. Probably won’t happen though

          • BerwynBomber

            Unless Cutler restructures his deal I would be surprised if the Bears bring him back. He’ll be a 34 year old average starting QB (and he may not even be average at this point) who is a polarizing figure coming off season-ending shoulder surgery.

            Plus, neither Hoyer nor Barkley, whom are both younger than Cutty, played like Pickles or Hanie. In fact, they by and large played as well or better than Cutty.

            Could the Bears bring Cutty back? Yes, but my gut say POX and the McCaskeys want a fresh start.

          • willbest

            Why would Cutler restructure his deal? His deal is more team friendly than Ryan Fitzpatrick’s. That is the only reason anybody will trade for him due to how favorable the deal is. If emery had structured a 7 year 18 mil/yr throughout without the backloading or injury clawback we would be cutting him

          • BerwynBomber

            You keep raving about Cutty’s deal by comparing it to Fitzpatrick’s or Oz’s. You do realize that those are about the biggest ass pimples of QB contracts in the NFL right now, correct?

            The Bears and the market will tell us how friendly Cutty’s deal is.

          • willbest

            A healthy Cutler is lights out better than those guys though. Cutler’s risk isn’t that he will suck. He will be gloriously inconsistent and you figure you live with that with a talented defense. The question on him is his health.

            That is what makes his contract great. You don’t have to commit to him for more than a year, and if he gets hurt halfway through the season at least you save yourself a 1.25 million

          • BerwynBomber

            TOs and productivity are also major question marks with Cutler. Always have been. And might even be more so as he enters his final years. They’re the main reasons Cutty’s career passer rating is only a smidge higher than Hoyer’s.

            Some of his marketability will also depend on stuff we simply don’t know: namely how serious was his shoulder surgery. One of the beat guys — Biggs, Mullin, Zaidman, can’t remember which — suggested that the labrum tear was minor and that the tendonitis was bothering him more. IF that is the case, then it might be good news for Cutty and prospective buyers.

            The Bears could bring him back but more likely they trade or even cut him. The play of Barkley and Hoyer — both of whom are younger and cheaper — has made him somewhat redundant. Plus, there is no Gase here to gameplan around his flaws.

          • Irish Sweetness

            AS much as I like Cutty, we have to trade him while he’s under contract. Get that first (if possible). He’s still studly-ish.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We all seem to like Barkley, and I would wager that Shaw is even better than him (given that he was our 32 coming into the season). So why draft a guy when we only carry two?

          • Irish Sweetness

            If I was drafting a QB, the 2018 draft would be the place to do it. Jackson, Watson … and the other dude come out then.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        1. you are an idiot.
        2. you are an idiot.
        3. we will tag him if nothing else.

        • ButtonShoes

          1. Words from a dumbass like you don’t mean anything to me.
          2. Words from a dumbass like you don’t mean anything to me.
          3. Brad Biggs is saying the Bears are going to let Jeffrey go because they don’t want to franchise him and don’t think he’s worth the money he’s asking for. We don’t have a smart front office. I wouldn’t put them doing something as stupid as letting Jeffrey go past them.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Mang, what’s with the shoes-thing?

        • AlbertInTucson

          I don’t know that tagging a guy in consecutive years is really a viable option.

          Offhand, I can’t think of a player who HAS been tagged, twice. Certainly no Bear.

          What IS Alshon asking?

          • willbest

            rumor from last season the bears were offering 12 and he wanted 14. If he still wants 14 the Bears should give it to him as long as its no more than 32ish guarantee.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            you tag him to buy time for negotiations. As long as Alshon does not sign the tender, the Bears can withdraw it.

          • willbest

            Although, quite frankly Alshon would be a but nuts not to sign it. $17.4 million guaranteed. The only way he doesn’t get the other 17 million in guarantees he would have on an elite WR contract is if he had a career ending injury.

          • Irish Sweetness

            30M in two years, shit, the guy could retire.

      • dave

        If our future QB is in the draft, he won’t likely come out of the first round. And if we don’t fix the RT position, it doesn’t matter who gets picked. Until we finish putting the house in order in this order – 1 a bulldozer blocking RT for Jordon to be able to run to both sides; 2 a pitbull safety; 3 a lockdown corner; and 4 one more young stud edge rushing DE with some sacks to his name, we got no business wasting money on another all or nothing QB. Build the infrastructure in the line, and spend your money augmenting the surprisingly good defense, then worry about another QB.

        • willbest

          I used to think that Massie was dogshit, but Big Mike was saying a lot of the problems were on TEs and RBs. Then Adams was in for a couple weeks and it was apparent that Massie wasn’t as bad as I thought. We need to draft a tackle this year, but I am okay with a 2nd-4th round rookie that is going to spend the year as our swing tackle, 6th linemen while he builds strength and works on his technique.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Say Massie was better than Adams .. we still need a Rt. And a LT. Leno can be the swing tackle.

        • Irish Sweetness

          They don’t think there is another QB in the 1st round. Rtrubisky is it, and he’s gone by pick 4. Somebody will trade up if the top 3 don’t want him.

          How long before he’s an NFL boy though. What’s wrong with Barkley/Shaw? We already know they’re ready for the NFL.

    • willbest

      dials up Play by play

      Barkley – 19 yards to Thompson
      Howard – 5 yards
      Howard – 2 yards
      Barkley – incomplete Jeffery
      Punt

      Barkley – 3 yard to Howard
      Howard – 3 yard
      Barkley – incomplete Bellamy
      Punt

      Howard – 2 yards
      Barkley – 15 yards to Thompson
      Barkley – 11 yards to Meredith
      Howard – 1 yard
      Barkley – 11 yards to Thompson
      Barkley – 17 yards to Thompson
      Howard – 6 yards
      Carey – 1 yard
      Barkley – incomplete to Meredith
      FG

      Howard – 3 yards
      Barkley – 34 yards to Meredith
      Barkley – 8 yards to Brown
      Barkley – 10 yards to Bellamy, TD
      extra point

      :26 seconds left in the half
      Barkley – 7 yards to Thompson
      Barkley – 7 yards to Meredith
      Barkley – 20 yards to Thompson
      Barkley – Hail marry to endzone

      Where in all this do you think they unacceptably denied Howard his due?

      • BuddhaJoe

        He wasn’t getting loose a lot, you’re right, but only 17 rushing attempts for the game (in which he still got 90)? Not saying correlation equals causation but fun fact: We’ve won the three games where he had more than twenty rush attempts and lost every other. SF you could say they were comfortably ahead, but still.

        • willbest

          Look he should have had the goal line carry at 3rd and 4. Especially if they had no plans to go for it on 4th down. But we had the disastrous 3rd quarter and spent the bulk of the 4th quarter pass happy trying to catch back up.

          • BuddhaJoe

            A few more to him and a few less to Bellamy. Normally I’d say Thomspon too but that actually was working yesterday.

          • dave

            Gents, the answer to most critic can be found in the thread. Three and outs come when there are 8 waiting in the box. Unless you have a threat to throw the ball, you can have the best OL ever assembled and the combination of Walter Payton and Gayle Sayres running for you and still go . . . three and out in a cloud of dust. The pass opens up the run just like the run keeps the defense honest and gives the QB time to throw. Unless you have balance, you got nuttin.

          • Irish Sweetness

            8 catches had Deonte. I’d pretty much written him off, but he probably makes the roster next year. Eddie’s salary might see him as the casualty.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Eddie Royal is gone. The guy’s been great when he’s been healthy, but he just can’t stay on the field.

            Ditto with Wilson.

            Braverman, however, jumps off the screen at you. His patterns were so crisp and clean that the Packers couldn’t get out of his way. I swear, the kid’s arms are like 4 feet long, too. Bears might want to extend his rookie contract now so they can lock him up long-term at a bargain rate.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It was 3rd and 4???? 4 yards??? Oh crap ….

    • BerwynBomber

      We fell 17 behind in the third. Most games like that you’re not going to see 23 attempts for the lead back. In fact, it is probably rare as hell.

      • BuddhaJoe

        Yeah but even behind if the choice is him carrying the rock or throwing to Bellamy/Thompson/some other guy I’d never seen before, I know what I’m picking. Since they decided Alshon was persona non grata most of the game, even though Barkley was throwing to the other scrubs with two defenders on them.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I thought AJ might have been inured or something, but then in the second half he was hitting him left right and center. Was he just purposely ignoring AJ in the first half thinking they’d be doubling him?

          • Doc Hamstring

            Maybe because it was cold and he had been off 4 weeks, with a history of hamstring issues, they brought him on slowly in the first half? What was his snap count in the first half? Maybe he wasn’t in as much as the other guys.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    Golf link. Funny as hell, can’t stop laughing.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/watch-mans-shot-frozen-hazard-181854187.html

    • beninnorcal

      Awesomely terribly and terribly awesome.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Susan Boyle is so ugly even Photoshop doesn’t help. That’s ugly.

    Would any of you guys do a deal with the devil like that for a set of pipes?

    • CanadaBear

      Why not? It’s not like I’m Brad Pitt now!

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Lol. Turn off the lights and do your thing baby.

  • RenoBear

    Funny… here’s Brady’s pre draft scouting report.. and it’s exactly why scouting reports and most scouts suck (looking at you Greg Gabriel). This is exactly why I saw let Barkley play and let’s see more next year.

    Tom Brady Positives: Good height to see the field. Very poised and composed. Smart and alert. Can read coverages. Good accuracy and touch. Produces in big spots and in big games. Has some Brian Griese in him and is a gamer. Generally plays within himself. Team leader.

    Negatives: Poor build. Very skinny and narrow. Ended the ’99 season weighing 195 pounds and still looks like a rail at 211. Looks a little frail and lacks great physical stature and strength. Can get pushed down more easily than you’d like. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush. Lacks a really strong arm. Can’t drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own.

    Summary: Is not what you’re looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone.

    Sounds a helluva lot like Barkley to me…

    • BuddhaJoe

      “Has some Brian Griese in him” made me laugh.

      • RenoBear

        Yes, poor comparison lol… but pretty spot on from there on out

      • BerwynBomber

        Griese was known as a gamer/winner who was a major underdog. He was considered an afterthought even while at Michigan (had to win the job each year over a more highly recruited player) and ended up leading Michigan to three wins over OSU, a Rose Bowl, and a national championship.

        Plus, he started well for the Broncos as a pro; that is, until he tried to play thru a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder. After that he was never the same.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Awesome drive against Philly had Brian. That’s all I remember about him.

          • BerwynBomber

            Griese was a solid journeyman/back-up/bridge guy. I believe his career passer rating was only a few points lower than Cutty’s.

            Beside the PHI game, he also had a nice win up at GB one year. Hit Dez Clark on a nifty fourth and one play-action number for the game winner. A night game.

    • Didn’t Cutler replace Griese?

      Ergo

      Griese>Brady
      Cutler>Griese
      Cutler>Brady

      #logic

      • BerwynBomber

        Technically, Orton replaced Griese.

        • Orton>Brady

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Tebow replaced Orton so….

            Tebow>Brady

          • That goes without saying

            Praise be to Tebus

          • Huge Bears Penis

            could you imagine if the greatest Christian QB was throwing to the greatest Jewish WR(Braverman). that would be epic.

          • willbest

            What if they were playing against a Muslim defensive end?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            better question – what if there was another offensive player that was a Muslim? It could bring peace to the Middle East!

          • willbest

            Any Hindus or Buddhists in the NFL? What about Jobo? where does he fit in?

      • Huge Bears Penis

        Cutler replaced Plummer

  • AlbertInTucson

    The Redskins look like dog doo.

    I wanted the Bears to have a chance to end their playoff hopes.

    • BerwynBomber

      Me too. But even if they lose tonight they will still be in it.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Mebbe so.

        They sure miss a healthy Jordan Reed.

        Looks like he may be done for the night, now.

        • CanadaBear

          Either Reed is a bit of drama queen or he shouldn’t have been out there. Every movement elicited a pained expression.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I once had what the doctor diagnosed as a ‘slight’ shoulder separation.

            It didn’t even rate a “degree’ designation.

            I thought my arm was going to fall off.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Barkley would not be the first NFL QB to find success after being discarded.

    • Nope, entirely possible. He might be the last QB I saw each Sat.

      He’s got tools. He’s a winner. He’s got intangibles.

      Scouts were once predicting he would be 1st overall.

      Not saying he might be the next Brady or even Romo

      But to rule him out cuz he flew under the radar is mistaken.

      He reminds me of Cousins actually.

      A QB who can thrive within a system.

      • BuddhaJoe

        He wasn’t even with the team during camp, and was throwing to the bottom tier of receivers. Gotta say he’s deserved a shot, and I’m one of the last Cutler guys on the thread (he gone anyway though).

  • AlbertInTucson

    Thing in the Redskins’ favor is that this season, the Panthers haven’ seen a lead they couldn’t blow.

    • BerwynBomber

      Was thinking the same. And we already saw them blow a sure FG attempt in the first half via some stupidity.

  • Irish Sweetness

    “What separates fighters from winners?” What does that mean? You mean winners from losers?
    I don’t agree with the ‘talent’ thing anyway. I’m with Conor McGregor and Walter on that one. It doesn’t exist. What separates winners from losers is hard work.

    • Plz.
      If you trained your whole life since childhood you still wouldn’t be able to throw a spiral 70 yds from your knees like Jamarcus Russell. He just purpledrank it all away.

      Aptitude and talent do exist. Just gotta find out what one’s strengths and weaknesses are.

      Know thyself.

      Or as Bruce Lee once said, if you ask a fish to climb a tree, it’ll be horrible at it.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Eye think he’s got sweetness in mind with that statement. The dude had a relentless training regiment when he was a wee lad.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s not my contention, it’s Walter’s … and Conor McGregor’s. Neither is more talented than the next guy. They just worked harder than everybody else.

        Jamarcus Russell is a lot bigger than me, so no matter how hard I trained, no, I’m never going to throw th ball a long way. But you go ask Doug Flutie what he did .. and I’ll bet he was working a lot harder at his playbook than say … well .. JaMarcus Russell.

        • CanadaBear

          If you think Walter wasn’t more talented than the next guy you should ditch the avatar. Did he work his ass off? Fuck yeah! Did he have the same genetic makeup as you or me? Uh, no. He had freakish athletic ability and did everything in his power to maximize it.

    • willbest

      Don’t drink the kool-aid. We aren’t all equal. Michael Phelps is a mutant. Literally. His body shape couldn’t be more suited for swimming unless he had webbing

      • Irish Sweetness

        Ah, but that’s not talent. He’s just huge, and swims a lot of lengths. That’s genetics plus hard work.

        • Doc Hamstring

          But that’s the point. Genetics gives you the tools.

          And there’s a reason why Rudy is a movie and Jamarcus is not. One had the willingness to work and sacrifice, while the other had the genes. Despite Jamarcus pissing away his chance, he actually HAD a chance. Rudy did not, no matter how hard he worked.

          There is a definitive difference between world-class athletes and everyone else. Lance Armstrong, even without doping, had an insane VO2 max. There was a kid in LA who had an unreal VO2 max, too (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/33111-jashaun-agosto-basketball-phenom-have-we-gone-too-far). World-class sprinters and team sport players have have higher percentages of fast-twitch muscle fibers than normal people–and it’s not a matter of training; the advantage holds up years after they’ve retired and stopped working out. Phelps’ body is built for the water, with long arms, a long trunk, big feet, but relatively short legs for his height. So even though he’s got genetic gifts for strength and endurance, he’d be a shit runner or cyclist.

          In the end, it’s about genetics AND hard work. MJ was Michael Jordan before he got in the weight room, but all the work he did made him go from “great” to GOAT.

          • SC Dave

            There was an excellent TED talk on this

          • BearDown100393

            Braverman is the modern Rudy. And he will prove genetics wrong. Mortimer and Randolph have been over this already.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But that’s not talent, it’s genetics. He’s genetically suited for swimming in a pool due to his freakish shape.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      See Irish, you’re a good Roman after all.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I wish I was a hard worker! There may certainly be an aptitude for that.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Good night, Redskins.

  • BerwynBomber

    Nice to see WAS’s post-season hopes take a major hit. Hopefully, we finish the job the coming weekend.

    • willbest

      Washington’s loss is Green Bay’s gain. Although Tampa Bay controls the 6th seed atm.

      • Bender McLugh

        GB isn’t doing crap in the playoffs unless they have a major uptick in defensive play. I don’t see that happening.

        • dave

          Still the team nobody wants to face.

      • SC Dave

        Go Bucs!

    • Bender McLugh

      I’d love for another almost-comback to keep our draft position……and I don’t like that I love that.

  • willbest

    Just thinking about the Bears and who on our team merits pro-bowl consideration.

    On offense, its just Howard I think. He is the 3rd best pure runner in the league behind Shady and Zeke. Bell and Johnson lack the explosive runs of those guys but they are monsters in the passing game. Murray would round out my 6.

    I would like to give the nod to one of our O-linemen but I am not sure which. The tackles have been serviceable and while the interior has been outstanding its been a bit of a rotation.

    On defense Hicks should be a pro-bowler. Freeman would be but the PEDs nixes that.

    • Apparently, everybody loves our P except Bears fans.

      • willbest

        That is because nobody watches Bears games. Bears have played 14 games and I have had Punter envy in 11 of them.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Whitehair has been there all season. After game one, he’s been better than just competent. He gets my pro-bowl vote, as does Howard.

      Hicks on defense. Everyone else has either been up and down, or missed significant time (particularly Goldman). I’d vote Floyd, but he wasn’t dominant early in the season.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Still like to see him compete at G. Grasu at C, then one of the boys rides the pine at G. That way we have a baller at G if anyone goes down, or Grasu gets hurt etc.

        • dave

          Agree, (but have eschewed the use of the word “totally”). Maybe we might even be able to send Larson off somewhere in a trade. He’s been perfectly serviceable, and keep Josh Sitton as a nod to his service and as a great vet to keep out there to plug in as needed. (I can think of a pre-season move, however, which contradicted this kind of thinking, but I digress.) If Hronis can get back and do as well as Whitehair, the middle three are set for years. But the question must be, can Whitehair move over without losing the continuity he has created calling the signals in the middle? Perhaps, with Long back that might be able to happen, but is that letting the best be the enemy of the very, very good?

    • BerwynBomber

      At the halfway point I would have said Willie Young, but he kinda tailed off the latter half.

      Still, a solid year and he’s been invaluable as a mentor in the development of Floyd.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yeah, Jordan might get in as a rookie, why not. He didn’t play the first few games right?

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  • Irish Sweetness

    New thread.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Thank you.

      • Irish Sweetness

        No biggie.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Appreciated, nonetheless!

          Should be S.O.P. for someone besides us.

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