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Releasing Matt Slauson Makes No Sense

| May 2nd, 2016

I have heard the rationale. Matt Slauson is not an athletic fit for what the Bears want on their offensive line. Fine. But let’s try a quick experiment.

Rank the Bears offensive linemen in terms of quality, including Slauson.

  1. Kyle Long at guard
  2. Matt Slauson
  3. Bobby Massie

Yesterday the Bears released their second best offensive lineman and, in my mind, their second best offensive player in 2015. They released a player who seamlessly slid over to center a season ago and put a patchy offensive line on his back.

Even more importantly they released a leader on the field and in the locker room. They released a player who after suffering through the indignity of 2014 and transition of 2015, his held proudly high, deserved to taste the candy apple at the end of the boardwalk.

Is Cody Whitehair going to be great player? I certainly believe so. But he’s yet to play a down in the NFL and until he or any other draft pick does the question mark remains at the end of the sentence.

The Bears released a good player. A valuable player. And a not particularly expensive player. How does this make the 2016 a better team? It doesn’t.

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  • Big Mike

    First.. also very perplexing move. If I’ve learned anything about Pace this weekend, it is that he has conviction in his plan, and some of his moves make more sense after his next move. So. WTF. See you Matt Slauson. He’s got 3 pro-bowl level years left. Did see a tweet, that mentioned health issues. But until I see more detail on that, I’m not buying the injury/health argument.

    • willbest

      I will only believe health issues if he is only able to sign some place for vet min with the token $80k guaranteed. If he gets a 7-figure guarantee someplace else, Pace will have proven himself to be a seriously flawed individual unless it was to clear cap for something.

      • Big Mike

        I wouldn’t go that far. But he certainly has a plan. The whole draft Whitehair, release Slauson is odd, unless it was BPA and Whitehair was simply the guy they wanted, and then after that Slauson was expendable. the 2nd round of the draft will need to be analyzed in depth for some time. Trading back 2x to get a very talented player at a position that arguably had our two best football players? So the impact really is saving $2.4million in cap space, picking up 2 DBs, and swapping Whitehair for Slauson. Bears got younger, cheaper, added competition/talent at DB, but did not make their o-line better right away. I think Whitehair tracks to be as good as Slauson. But that takes a bit of time.

  • Trac

    The Bears may resign Slauson at a cheaper price. You never know.

    • Big Mike

      He will be snatched up before the end of the day, is my guess.

    • willbest

      Why would he come back to the team that didn’t honor his contract, when he can make the some amount of money elsewhere. More if its an income tax free place like Miami (which wouldn’t surprise me). If there is one thing we know about Pace, he doesn’t suffer from separation anxiety.

      • Trac

        Not saying I’m right but players facing the end of their careers have been known to work out deals with teams in order to restructure contracts.

  • DaMurph

    All that and a truly class individual which makes it even less tolerable. If he had a hint of dickhead, malcontent, lazy, anyfuckingthing it would be easier to swallow this move. Best of luck Matt Slauson, keep doin what you’re doin, I will always be a fan!!

    • Big Mike

      Murph more reports of chronic nagging injuries are showing up. Bears tried to trade him, but couldn’t find any takers. Rumor on twitter says Dolphins interested.

      • willbest

        Gase knows him. It wouldn’t surprise me.

      • DaMurph

        At least he always played through his nagging injuries. Alshon “hangnail” Jeffrey sits out for anything he can think of. What a lazy prick who wont even show for workouts unless they are mandatory.

        • willbest

          Almost by design perhaps. He knew the Bears were going to tag him. So he gets to play for $15 million this year. If he just has a complete season he is going to land 5-year $75 million, $35 million guaranteed either with the Bears or somebody else next year.

        • Big Mike

          You don’t worry about an NFL Linemen. If they didn’t suit up when they were nicked up, there wouldn’t be anybody available to play.

  • Picnics with the Yakuza

    When Biggsy says it will be so – it god damn will be so.

  • Captain Obvious

    If something like this makes no sense, there must be information that makes sense of it that we aren’t aware of, yet.

    The front office wouldn’t pull the plug on Slauson without good reason. This looks stupid on its face.

    “Not athletic enough,” “nagging injuries,” are all rumors. Maybe those are reasons the front office used. But still–who, better than Slauson, do they leave on the roster? OK, maybe Whitehair is better. But is Slauson not as good as Larsen or Ramirez?

    No, I think there had to be a reason beyond Slauson’s abilities. I think it makes more sense that Slauson saw the writing on the wall with the Whitehair pick and asked for his release. Both sides were classy enough to part ways without any shots fired.

    • willbest

      Saying he isn’t “athletic enough” or “nagging injuries” are shots fired. They get brought up by whatever team that signs him when dealing with Matt’s agent. There is plenty of neutral language. “clear up cap space”, “get younger at the position”. Even “Matt asked to be let go or traded, because he wants to be a guard and not a center” (assuming it were true) would have been better.

      • Captain Obvious

        Is it the Bears saying he wasn’t “athletic enough” or had “nagging injuries,” and are they doing so through official channels? (e.g., “The organization released Matt Slauson due to a number of issues, including some nagging injuries and the fact that our offensive system demands a greater degree of athletic ability than Matt has shown us.”)

        Seems to me that these are rumors circulating–and maybe they do source with the Bears, but by and large, the separation was amicable. The Bears gave no reason for his release, which is about as nice of treatment as you can get from a team (the only better treatment would be–lying in this case–if the Bears had said, “Our team has transitioned to a new blocking scheme which doesn’t fully utilize Matt’s considerable talents.”)

        • MB30SD

          Can I get a recommendation from you?

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    DHC has blocked nine (!) kicks in his college career. Other than that, only got a chance to watch two games (and a highlight reel). W&M got run over by Richmond in one game, so didn’t get much of a chance to see him in coverage because the Spiders were running out clock while up several TDs. He looks like a coverage guy more than a run thumper. Looks fast enough and aggressive in run support. Got taken for a ride just about every time he tried to tackle Richmond’s running back (Jacobi Green), but that kid doesn’t suck either. Biggest concern to me is the level of competition. I’ll go watch film on the other kids later.
    This kid should be a contributor on special teams at least.

    • considering he played CB for 3 years before switching to S his senior year, it’s not a surprise he’s better in coverage than against the run.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I’m not even saying he looks good in coverage – can’t really see anything because Richmond was just grinding them into the turf for most of that game.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Aaron Leming ‘reported’ from ‘inside source’ that it was health concerns that caused Slauson’s departure. Either he was banged up, or he’s concerned about CTE. Certainly from all the negative fan reaction I see across the interweb, and my own eyes, it’s not based on his play.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      if he had concerns about CTE would he not just retire?

      • BearDown100393

        Agreed. He wouldn’t pass a physical for any team if demonstrating post concussive symptoms.

      • Irish Sweetness

        What does retiring do to your contract? Are you on the hook for anything?

        • willbest

          Depends on the terms of your contract.

  • ImportantBearsDefender FTW

    I’m not certain Slauson was the second best lineman and I’m quite certain he wasn’t the 2nd best offensive player. He isn’t even in the top 5. Cutler, Forte, Jeffery – all much more important than a Guard; regardless of how good he is. Leno showed a lot of improvement at LT and Long at guard are both better.

    Now was he valuable and very good, yes. I think this has to do with building the team the way they want. Lineman don’t get better unless they are playing. If Slauson is there, maybe he slightly outperforms at center or guard and you lose a lot of valuable time. And he is quite expensive as a reserve. As long as the line stays healthy it is a good move, if there are injuries inside; not so much.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Deiondre Hall vs Carson Wentz

    https://youtu.be/Eg2y-RCZGIU?t=133

    No real standout plays to choose from. Dude has some long freaking arms though.

  • 505Bears

    Guess we know why they signed the Gs they did and drafted another. The team had to know something wasn’t right in Slausonville.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Deon Bush vs FSU.
    Big hit for turnover on special teams
    https://youtu.be/sVGuqgAeDbA?t=60
    Great play on the ball here
    https://youtu.be/sVGuqgAeDbA?t=183

    • willbest

      Yeah I am pretty happy with the prospects Pace grabbed. More than a couple look like they could make the leap.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I was surprised at the scouting comments about the FSU game. He got burned a couple of times in man, but the forced fumble and saving the TD with a pick…c’mon.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Here’s a good way to lose some money in the pros
      (Miami v. Nebraska)
      https://youtu.be/W3xiaa63w-o?t=229

  • CanadaBear

    I counted 16 players on the roster that are still here from the 2014 roster. Out of those 16 I could see at least 4-6 not being on the roster on opening day. Yeah, that’s a rebuild.

    https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=bears%20roster%202014

    • 7 here from 2013:

      Cutler
      Gould
      Jeffery
      CornWash
      Wilson
      Long
      McManis

      Cutler, Jeffery, Long are on the team.
      Gould is a lock right now (haven’t signed any competition)

      CornWash, WIlson, McManis are all going to be in roster battles.

      The roster turnover has been astounding.

      Even more crazy stat: Bears only have one player that they drafted who is past his rookie deal. That’s Alshon, who’s likely in his last season in Chicago.

      This is why I still can’t say the Bears are anything higher than the 3rd best team in the NFCN, even though I think they’re greatly improved this offseason. GB and MIN both have excellent GMs and had much better teams to start from. It will take another year or two (best case) for the Bears to reach that level.

      • Bender McLugh

        Johnathan “Cold Water” Wood

      • willbest

        You really don’t think Jeffery is going to get a long term deal?

        • Looking at their actions/words near that situation so far, no I do not.

          They want to be a run-heavy team, but they spent a top 10 pick on a WR not named Alshon Jeffery.

          They refused to discuss an extension with him last year, when it would have made financial sense to do so.

          Now there’s plenty of precedent out there for what his deal should be. In the last 12 months, TY Hilton, AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Demarius Thomas, and Julio Jones have all signed contracts to stay with their current team. The market is very clearly defined; give him about what Hilton got.

          But they haven’t. Because they’re not going to. Which means he’s getting one of those megadeals from somebody else in FA next year.

          • willbest

            Seems like a horrible idea. Jeffery is going to have the Bears by the short and curlies if White flounders or has another setback. Lock him up now, and trade him for a 4th rounder if White pans out.

          • CanadaBear

            They might want to see how healthy he is this year and proceed from there. I hope they sign him long term but it’s obvious when POX sets a value for a player he isn’t easily moved.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He’d have one by now. They’re waiting to see if he’s Mr Marshmallow again this season. we really need Josh Hill..

  • Adam Truelove

    I honestly think they’re planning for years down the road. They’re not going to win anything this year, probably not next year either. They want to get younger so they’ll be a better team in 2 years. Slauson wasn’t going to be a part of that plan so they let him go now. It was the exact same thing as Forte. If he’s not part of the future plan, why keep him? They need the young players to start and start now.

    • MB30SD

      Awwwwww, aaaadaaaaam! What a cuuuute avatar!

      • AlbertInTucson

        Calvin & Hobbes by Bill Watterson.

        As good a comic strip as was ever written.

        • Jokey

          I thought so at the time but in hindsight I think Bloom County had more variety and depth. But I won’t deny C&H as a top 10 strip.

        • MB30SD

          I know al. Hobbs is pretty cute. ♡♡

          • AlbertInTucson

            It was brilliantly written and when he felt he could no longer maintain the high standard he’d set, Watterson retired. He never merchandised the characters, either.

          • MB30SD

            good toon.

            I liked non sequitur. I’m such a tool

            http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur

          • AlbertInTucson

            I like the single-frame Non Sequiters.

            Argyle Sweater is pretty good, too, occassionally approaching FAR SIDE levels.

    • willbest

      That isn’t football.

      Blow it up (2015)
      Compete (2016)
      Contend (2017)

      If Pace has his eye on 2018 past repeating his deep playoff run or championship from 2017, he should never have been hired as a GM.

      • Adam Truelove

        True. I think he expects to compete this year. But he doesn’t see Slauson as part of the future plan and he’s not going to sit the young draftees on the bench.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Dude, if we don’t win the Super Bowl next year, this was all for nothing. The Cuter deal was all for nothing. It was all, pure, unadulterated shite … and I want complete unfettered GM control.

      Is Ginnie married? Fack, why didn’t I think of this before? What’s her Twitter?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Doesn’t makes sense to me, either. The Line was CLEARLY better when he was part of it.

  • CanadaBear
    • they see the playoffs as within reach, yet they just significantly decreased their OL depth/flexibility, have zero depth at TE behind a guy who’s missed more games than he’s played in for his career, and have a total of 3 proven players in the secondary, with a bunch of lightly regarded, inexperienced guys behind them.

      I’m sure they think a playoff berth isn’t out of the question this year, but the total sum of their moves tells me they’re still prioritizing the future over the now.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m thinking 8-8 this year.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          Come on C-Bear. 16-0, we have TAYO, Terry FUCKING Williams, and now the ballsy Daniel Braverman.

          • MB30SD

            Practice Squad Heeeerooooooooossssss! !!!

          • CanadaBear

            Pretty sure that cupcake Alshon will cost us 8 victories.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Three ballers, y’see? Give me ballers.

        • somewhere around that sounds about right to me, but football is so random due to small sample size.

          Good luck and that’s 10-6. Bad luck and it’s 6-10. Average luck and it’s 8-8.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m guessing they feel the upgrades in the front seven will greatly help out the back 4. I agree with them up to a point.

      • willbest

        Oddly despite Pace’s willingness to jettison Forte, Marshall, Bennett, Slausen he is still 100% committed to Cutler. I have a feeling Cutler is going to retire a Bear after his current 7-year contract is up.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Said several times folks, it’s still rebuilding mode.

    Is Theo Epstein running this team? Weird….

    • willbest

      Football doesn’t have the luxury of being able to suck for 5 years. The Jags look amazing this year, but 2-3 injuries and its game over. Its not a 162 game grind and a best of 7 series where the better team will generally prevail. Its a who is better in this moment type of game. Which is why 2-10 division rivals can just shut down a Lombardi contender.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        In a professional sports like such as the NFL? Uh, have you looked around? Any team has the luxury of sucking and still not care. Many other teams are like that in other professional league as well

        • burntorangenavyblue

          Unless you are speaking non-business standpoint?

          Perhaps, but this feels like Pace is taking notes from the Theo handbook and is dead set on taking a little longer than most teams on rebuilding and I really think the end goal is snagging a stud QB to go with a line already having a few years under their belt.

          • willbest

            Well perhaps he is banking on the McCaskeys not wanting to look like complete tools after the Emery/Trestman debacle. As such he gets a little longer rope.

            And obviously I mean from a player standpoint, since the Bears are going to sell out every home game just by function of that tiny stadium of theirs. But the problem with plans longer than 3 years in the NFL is players don’t last that long. Either do to injury, contract disputes, not developing as they should, or getting too old, whatever.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Catch 22 for sure

  • That Guy

    My Slauson comment from the previous thread:

    Pace and Fox will tell you the team won 6 games last year, so something wasn’t working. You don’t make small corrections to a 6 win team. You cut the leading offensive playmaker (Forte), you cut your offensive veterans (Slauson), you trade away genuinely talented skill players that aren’t on board with the rebuild (Marty).

    Still.. you have to wonder if there wasn’t another way to go about it. Do other successful teams rebuild and keep their old core? Look at the teams that really turned the corner from bad to great recently. In particular, the Seahawks, Niners, Panthers. They’re all pretty brutal with their vets in making the change. Its not a perfect example because all of those teams also changed QBs, but I think the comparison is still valid.

    There’s nothing I can say about Forte, Marty or Slauson that a Panther fan couldn’t say about Steve Smith. And Smith went on to be productive elsewhere, just as our guys will. Yet the Panthers made the Superbowl without Smith. And though they lost that game, that didn’t have anything to do with needing another wide receiver.

  • SC Dave

    Looks like more of the ‘i didn’t draft him, so bye’ mentality of Pace. I wonder if he ditches Kyle when the contract is up…

    • CanadaBear

      Only if he’s lost his mind. Besides being a top OG, he’s also one of the most popular players on the team (in and out of the clubhouse). They gotta spend up to 90-95% of the cap each year so they gotta pay somebody.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Where’s that money going this year?

        • CanadaBear

          I think they are waiting to see if AJ can stay healthy and possibly pay him. Also, think Kyle gets re-upped sometime this year. Other than that, have no idea.

          • willbest

            Kyle has another year left on his contract (5th year option exercised roughly 9 million next year). The Bears don’t really have an incentive to get a deal done.

          • CanadaBear

            I could see them trying to work out a long term deal at OG pay.

        • willbest

          Without looking it up, believe is 90% in any given year, and 97.5% over a 5-year period.

          Which means everybody needs to spend 140.5 million as a floor.

      • Irish Sweetness

        MO’s A COMIN’ !!!

    • nah, Kyle’s one of the few leftovers they’ll actually keep.

      A complete list of the pre-Pace guys left: Long, Cutler, Fuller, Ferguson, Sutton, CornWash, Houston, Young, Gould, Carey, Fales, Miller, Hurst, Alshon, Jones, Leno, McManis, O’Donnell, Perry, Wilson.

      How many of those guys are left next year? In 2 years?

      Long, Cutler, Fuller will be for a while. Probably Leno at least 2 more years (rookie deal).

      I’d be pretty surprised if any of the rest of them are still here 2 years from now.

      • willbest

        If O’Donnell’s judgment day is coming this summer. If he survives he will probably be the guy for a while.

        Signing Hoyer means Fales isn’t going to make the 53 and I am pretty sure he is no longer practice squad eligible.

        Hurst, Sutton, CornWash, Hurst, Jones, and McManis are unlikely to make the 53. Wilson, Young, Houston, and Ego are aren’t going to see 2017 training camp baring a pro-bowl performance this year.

        One of Carey or Perry will make it to the end of 2017 on the roster.

        If Miller stays healthy and does what he did in 2015 he will be rewarded with an extension. If he gets injured again, he will get cut.

        • We’ll have to see what the new P has, but I predict O’Donnell gone.

          Part of building a dominant D is forcing the opponent to long fields.

          O’Donnell simply can’t pin a donkey even without a blindfold. I think he’s coffin cornered like 1 punt in his whole career.

          When we need a big punt to stop the other team from marching down and scoring in the last few minutes, Odonnel simply isn’t the guy.

          Shoulda kept Tresway.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    I hope this is true.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/02/report-trent-dilfer-likely-out-at-espn/

    I hate that penis head looking bastard.

    • CanadaBear

      With ya all the way Brother! Can’t stand that guy.

    • ugh, if I watched ESPN, I’d be jumping for joy, but knowing them, they’ll only hire the next most annoying former player to talk over everyone.

  • Sactowns#1

    I’m excited about Bullard. I wanted linemen and we got some. Bullard looks fast and aggressive.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      I think i found my new favorite song.

      • Scharfinator

        Who doesn’t love Rick Ross?

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          Who is that?

          • Scharfinator

            That’s the guy who does that song!

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    DHC clips
    Dude accelerates fast – I love it
    https://youtu.be/CabTN_LDUdQ?t=80
    https://youtu.be/CabTN_LDUdQ?t=132

    He’s on my all-Irish team this year.

    • willbest

      Players that are elite with no NFL experience to disprove that hypothesis?

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        No idea what you just said there.

        • willbest

          all-Irish team. Players you think can hold their own against the best in the NFL based not on evidence but on your man-crush feelings.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Haha, yes, exactly. I like him because he does show a turbo button burst and he played at W&M…but no clue what he will look like against NFL competition…so obviously he should start now.

          • Start?

            The All-Irish team goes from the PS to the HOF directly!

          • MB30SD

            Practice Squad HEEERRRROOOOOS!!

          • Irish Sweetness

            I will accept this.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Salary cap estimates…
    year liabilities cap (estimated)
    2016 $134,014,507 $156,027,279

    2017 $103,492,546 $166,000,000

    2018 $66,404,206 $178,000,000

    2019 $36,150,000 $190,000,000

    AFAIK, rule doesn’t dictate a floor in spending in any given year over the last four years, but we have to have averaged 89%+ utilization of the salary cap…and I’m not going to go run those numbers. That sounds like something Data would enjoy.

    • willbest

      Those numbers still include Slauson and Rolle and haven’t been updated for Hoyer. And obviously the draft class isn’t in there yet either.

      But yes we have a ridiculous amount of money the next couple years and a lack of home grown talent to chew it up with.

      2017 FAs that would merit more than vet min if we decided to keep them: Jeffery, Young, Wilson, and Larsen

      2018: Long, Miller, Leno, Fuller, Unrein, Hicks, Jones-Quartey (assuming he builds on his rookie season)

      • I dunno that Wilson would merit more than vet. min. Depends on how he does this year, but right now he’d probably be looking at a 1-year minimum deal somewhere.

        • willbest

          Not significantly more, but I would be a bit surprised if he couldn’t land a 2-year $3-4 million deal someplace as a #3

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/ct-jay-cutler-chicago-bears-rosenbloom-20160502-column.html
    Apparently you have to build an actual defense with NFL speed and pass rush ability and an NFL caliber O line to run consistent plays…..not to be successful in the game of football but instead to survive the QB play of Jay Cutler. Why is Rosenbloom allowed to breathe air?

    • Picnics with the Yakuza

      Doomer v. Waffle – Ultimate smackdown!

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        He needs to be choked out a little.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Bloomer seems like the type of guy who pays for that.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I can’t wait until he dies.

    • willbest

      Cutler is not an elite QB, but he wins at least as many as he loses and except for 2013 he has done it without an o-line and/or receiving core.

      If what I envision our 2016 defense looking like took the field in 2015, We would have won 5 more games, despite all the problems on the offensive side of the ball.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        What does elite mean? Can a quarterback win a game without teammates? If the teammates suck does that make a quarterback less elite? If the teammates are awesome but the coaching sucks does that make the player elite.
        Whoever started the whole “elite” thing needs to be executed next to the Red State Blue State inventor.

        • That’s the problem. No one really can agree on what ‘elite’ means for an NFL qb.

          I think they ran a poll in Maryland about if Flacco was “elite” and it was like 50/50.

          What I go by is what QBs would I rather have over Cutler THIS year to win a SB?

          The list is short.

          Vadgers, Brady, Brees, Roth, Wilson

          Guys who are kinda in the same tier but who have proven clutch.

          Eli, Flacco

          Then Rivers/Cam, who is more or less in the same boat as Cutty, but has more playoff experience.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I’d take 20 QB’s in the league to be my QB but only a handful over the last few years when it was slim pickens on the OL and in the WR corps. Only a small number of guys could have endured what Jay did from 2010 on.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I think that’s my issue. People can blame a guy when tons of things are wrong and the overall results are negative and give credit to another guy when tons of things are right and the results are positive. Sometimes a guy is just a part of the success or failure. Brady drafted by Cleveland doesn’t become Brady. Terry Bradshaw playing on the Buccaneers is just another average NFL player on a shitty team. Marino with no WR’s doesn’t get to realize his potential possibly. Brees with no OL and not playing in a dome may result in just an above average guy with a weird stain on his face…. who knows.

          • willbest

            Yes there is luck, and there is making the most of the opportunities you are given. Josh McCown being the recent example of that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think Brees is off the list. It’s not lifetime membership. If you can’t do it you’re not on the list. Peyton Manning was not an elite QB last season. Roth is still Elite – and he’s trimmed down by a stone for next season.

        • willbest

          Its not that he doesn’t need them, but that by function of his week to week performance he elevates the players around him. For example, Tom Brady played with a makeshift O-line and a depleted receiving core last year and despite that came 1 play away from pushing the best D and eventual super bowl winners into overtime in the AFCC.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            Tom Brady may go down as one of the greatest quarterbacks OF ALL TIME. We’re going to have to stop using him as a measuring stick for everything from late round QB drafting justification to not having traditional #1 WR justification to not carrying a bell cow RB justification…

          • willbest

            That is the point though. You are either Brady, Manning (pre-2014), Rodgers, Big Ben, Brees, maybe Wilson, or you are just some guy that had good circumstances.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Tom and Joe Cool, no question. He’s right there. Peyton Manning can kiss my ass.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I think Cutty was refusing to be elite, He had the talent all those years, but he was determined to be a fuckin eejit in throwing the ball to the other team.

      • BearDown100393

        Elite? Perhaps not. But damn does he have awareness after running for his life all these seasons.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He might take the step up to Elite this year, I thought he was pretty damn good last year.

    • Bender McLugh

      you are better than me, I couldn’t stomach reading the article…..

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        it forced me into a quick 2 week “fasting period”. I forgot how much that shit makes me mad. I just won’t consume it. I just had a port installed in my car so I can listen to music on the way in and out of work. Before all of you tech nerds laugh, it’s an 08 so it didn’t come with an auxiliary port.

    • DaMurph

      Fuck Rosenbloom

  • Picnics with the Yakuza

    Nobody has mentioned Alshon skipping voluntary workouts.

    If he skips camp, it will be an issue

    • MB30SD

      fuck that dude. not a fan

      • DaMurph

        Yeah that fucker is wearing thin on me especially when a guy like Slauson lays it all on the line and ends up let go.

        • MB30SD

          meh, I’m over the pining for guys let go. not looking back any more.

          You have one more 8-8 year this year, then it better fucking be POOOOWN!!!

          So there you have it, my official ‘I don’t give a fuck if’ expectation list.

          2016: 8-8
          2017: 10-6 or better
          rinse repeat

          • Big Mike

            Need to have 9 wins this year.

          • MB30SD

            meh, don’t count on it my maings

            As I tell my kids, “oh yeah.. well daddy needs 6 months in the bahamas… and guess what”

          • Big Mike

            Not counting on anything. But if the Bears can’t jump to nine wins, I’ll be disappointed. 9 and up is a success. 8 or lower and Pace/Fox are on a prove it deal in 2017.

          • MB30SD

            nah, 2015 was the burn it down year, 2016 the bottom of the basement with a little uptick getting their stuff up and running, 2017 the year to make the jump… errathing after that should be dynasty bitches!

          • Big Mike

            9 wins. Or 8 if they beat GB twice

          • MB30SD

            bahamas mike

          • Irish Sweetness

            Lombardis, Mike. Lombardis or you might as well go 2-14, and trade down.

          • Big Mike

            Teams go up and down. Bears are on the up. Enjoy the ride. That’s how I feel. Not declining, not going sideways. The Bears aren’t trying to hang on to glory. They are on a mission to be a year in year out contender. Put their moves in that context and they make perfect sense. It’s not about next year, it is about the next 3-6 years

      • SC Dave

        It’s a business, remember?

        • MB30SD

          totally. I’m just a fan, so fuck that guy… not a fan.

          I’ll let the biz guys make the biz decisions.

    • willbest

      Unlike Von Miller, he signed his tender.

    • There’s no indication he’ll skip camp. He’s just doing his own offseason workouts, the same way he’s done for his entire career.

      • That Guy

        Marshall got him in the habit. Its a luxury that top players get to have that choice… and Alshon is paid like a top player.

    • DaMurph

      Hes a lazy prick who apparently doesnt know how to condition himself, or he enjoys the time off while getting paid. He lacks that fire!

      • SC Dave

        Whatever. When he catches 85 for 1300, no one will care

        • MB30SD

          as long as he does. I hear hamstrings are gonna be dicey this year.

      • willbest

        It being a business works both ways. Slauson can get fired for doing everything right because he isn’t valued. A top 15 NFL WR can get paid for being imperfect because he is.

        Hard to fault the players for playing the system to maximize their value vs. wear and tear on their body. The Teams are trying to minimize their cost while extracting everything they can from the players.

      • Irish Sweetness

        This is it Murph, that’s my fear, and why we should have sought a trade partner. No fire. Doesn’t want it.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Skipping VOLUNTARY camp is common for many athletes

      • Irish Sweetness

        I don’t think it’s really voluntary, just called that.

    • Pace mentioned that Alshon told him ahead of time he was going to train on his own in MIA.

      Dunno if that means with Bmarsh like he used to do, or maybe he got used to that program and is trying to do it on his own, OR if he’s just saying that and is down in MIA sipping mojitos while spraining something.

      As long as he stays healthy and produces, I don’t care, BUT he really hasn’t done the former, so yeah, he should probably try to change his off-season routine.

      AP is infamous for skipping voluntary workouts, but then again, he’s a cyborg.

      • Big Mike

        While spraining something.. best line of the day

    • Irish Sweetness

      See? Who’s the cancer now?

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Quick preview of the diet regime for Leonard Floyd to stay at 245 in season.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-mountain-game-of-thrones-workout-2016-4

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Wow. Cannot imagine the bricks he produces on the toilet.

      I love avocados and oatmeal but together? I dunno…

      Let’s get this strongman on our team!

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Dude is an enormous, enormous human. And not slow.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          Why are Icelandic and Norwegians like this? Are they actually Thor’s children?!?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Those reindeer aren’t going to lift themselves.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            I would still allow the smaller dude be our safety! Hehe!

          • Sactowns#1

            Because when you don’t have domesticatable livestock or any cereal grains to harvest your society doesn’t have time for things like philosophy or science. instead, it’s all about the biggest and baddest breeding with big bad ladies.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            They must laugh at our puny sport…..

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            He played basketball competitively in Iceland. Picture that m-fer in the paint.
            Jebus.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Men made of mountain boulders seems interesting to watch playing basketball

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dianobol.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Mountain was looking for a way out halfway through that, see?

          A bit like Conor was against Diaz.

    • Sactowns#1

      Probably some of Lyle Alzedos old supplements as well.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse
        • burntorangenavyblue

          His armpit could chop off my head…

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Leonard Floyd will need to bath in HGH to put that 20 lbs on permanently.

        • Big Mike

          Nah. It will take a couple years but he can do it.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            So by the end of his rookie contract, he can stay on the field for 3 downs?

          • By the end of his rookie contract, he’ll be like 29.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Yeah, that too.

          • Big Mike

            Rush the passer baby. Those guys rotate all the time anyhow.

          • Maybe. Hopefully. But I think he’s gonna be 24 at some point during the season

            I know bodies are different, and athletes can gain/cut mass.

            But reached my natural body weight by 23.

            I can still wear the same jeans (and still do) and I’m 37 now.

            Even if Floyd can gain mass, will that make him less effective? Slower? More inj prone?

          • MB30SD

            fuck you’re getting old.

          • You’re older, shorter and balder than me!

            As long as that remains true, I shall feel like a golden god!

          • MB30SD

            whatever works for you my maings.

          • lol you are richer tho. Bastad

          • MB30SD

            how do you know that?!?

            Richer in better looking vageeena

          • Irish Sweetness

            Is that true MB, are you getting shiny on top? You know you can always put it down to high levels of testosterone.

            MWAH!!

          • MB30SD

            Yep, I’ve shaved my head since just after college. I was with my ex for 16 years, and she never saw me with hair. Only a handful of people in my life remember me with hair… weird.

          • Big Mike

            Who know what type of nutrition program he had in college. Plus his family is, was broke.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Were they? Small town, but he did a year at an elite academy in VA before going to GA.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Come back and tell us you’re wearing the same jeans in 7 years Butch!

            #It’sDifferentInYourForties

        • Irish Sweetness

          If he put 20 lbs on he gets slower and is more of a Brian Urlacher type. That’s cool either way.

          I was shocked at what 25lbs did to Conor McGregor. And so was Conor McGregor.

    • Irish Sweetness

      It doesn’t mention how much Dianobol he takes …. just the food ….

  • Picnics with the Yakuza

    So by releasing Rolle now do the Bears get off the hook for any part of that 3Y/11M deal?

    • CanadaBear

      All the guaranteed money was pd last year. There will be some dead money.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Tomorrow should just about finish out the competitive portion of the Presidential primary races.
    So, there’s that.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      It SHOULD, but it won’t cuz ya know, politics

    • willbest

      The competitive portion has been over for a while, but its been fun watching the Neocons and Berners go through the stages of grief.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Once more, if it’s Hilary v Drumpf, everyone loses.

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    Guess who’s a free agent and healthy? I’ll give you some hints:
    1. He’s the only white offensive player I can accept outside of Jay.
    2. He just helped a different teams running back be considered awesome after 8 avg years in the league
    3. He loves to smash the shit out of linebackers with his head.
    4. He was once a beloved Bear

    • madscout12

      So the assholes in Texas didn’t want our man. At least McMannis is still here, so yeah us.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        2 years in Dallas. Murray and McFadden both have career years. I know their awesome O line had a lot to do with it but I have to believe it’s no coincidence that Clutts was there as well.

        6’2 250 mauler and can long snap compared to our 5’11 230 midget fullback Lasike.

    • Bender McLugh

      Clutts?

      • Bender McLugh

        dang, posted Clutts before I refreshed and saw the response.

    • Cormonster

      Derek Watt, JJ’s brother, just got drafted by the Chargers. He was a badass mauler FB at Wisconsin. He was opening all those holes for Melvin Gordon two years ago when he had that record-breaking season.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Really? Checks. He’s 31. Hey Jeff let’s get a Tyler Clutts to the Bears thread going. Let’s get proactive. Lasike has zero experience albeit has a very shaggable wife.

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    Jeff, let’s start a viral petition to have Clutt’s brought back on board. We’ll have to pay him league minimum but that’s still a lot of money for a guy that played in the Canadian and Arena leagues.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Crowdfunding the team – Now there’s an idea.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        Imagine the run game with our O line, Clutts, Langford, Carey and Howard. We’d be handing out CTE like Smarties at a parade.

        • madscout12

          No. I imagine the response in Emperor Palpatine’s voice…soon we’ll have a new FB. One far younger and less concussed.

    • willbest

      Why do you hate Unrein so much. He teaches dyslexic orphans how to read and crochet afghans for homeless people in his free time.

    • CanadaBear

      We’ve still got Unrein.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        I love Unrein but we have to use him in the middle of the field and not just the goal line. If we use Unrein all over then I’m totally cool with not bringing back Clutts. Man, that guy was a hard nosed FB.

        • Big Mike

          great point

    • Big Mike

      Umrein is Clutts I loved the guy, but we have one

  • MB30SD

    DaBearsBlog ‎@dabearsblog

    Hope Rolle signs with team on Bears schedule, preferably a team they play twice. His coverage skills remind me a kid being chased by a bee.

    Hahahahaha… that made me LALZ

    • Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Rolle doesn’t sign and retires.

    • Blackhawks63

      Rolle has probably played his last down of NFL football after a solid career. He doesn’t have anything left in the tank.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Bees! They’re everywhere! Run for your liiiives!

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-matt-slauson-real-talk-exit-20160502-story.html
    The release of Slauson is really starting to bug me. Short of crazy injury info coming out I want to know why we had to release a guy who did it all the right way. None of the overt cancerous shit that Marshall and Martellus would spew, none of the quiet contempt of the old guard of Lovie. The guy brought his lunch every day and strapped it in and his teammates fucking liked having him around.
    When the Bears released Forte my first thought was, why? Why can’t we have the same effective 3 back rotation if Forte will agree to less money. Talk to him about it. Instead we get rid of a pro’s pro who could be counted on to do anything you asked of him. We had the young guys to claw scratch and die for the needed yard and we had the racehorse that caught better than half of our WR’s and could be used very creatively. Instead we dumped him too.
    I would imagine it becomes a little tough to hear a coach talk about team and family and bonding and sacrifice when you can get the door slammed on you at any moment. I guess it’s really a business but in business you don’t just dump performing assets for the sake of dumping them especially if they make your organization stronger. You dump them when they become a liability or literally right before but that doesn’t seem to be the case with Slauson OR Forte.

    A truly powerful Bears team this year would have Slauson, Forte AND the new guys we brought in.

    • I don’t think it was that much of a biz decision ($$ wise).
      Maybe it was actually more psychological.

      As effective as Slauson and Forte were, they’re leftovers from a losing regime (along with Marty and Bmarsh).

      Like god, they want to remake this new team in their own image.

      A lot of the Lovie backers on the team would go to war for him cuz he was there since day 1 of the draft.

      I think POX is trying to re-build that same type of locker room. Homegrown guys that have gone to war with each other since draft day. It builds a special bond, creates a very tight knit locker room where BS won’t happen.

      That’s just my take.

      I still wouldn’t have released Slauson, but like I said, they tend to be more less conservative than I.

      • SC Dave

        Does not compute in my mind if you simultaneously replace vets with mercenaries (FAs)

        • Yes, but most of those were to make up for the crap the past regimes left them with. (and again, those ‘mercenaries’ are THEIR guys too and likely core players going forward like McPhee and Trevathan)

          POX prefer to roll the dice on THEIR draft picks and FAs even at the expensive of solid starters or depth.

          • SC Dave

            That’s the ego thing I just mentioned as my vague worry about Pace

    • Blackhawks63

      Facepalm. The Chicago Bears aren’t a benevolent employer. Rather they are a professional football team. If Pace and Fox don’t see Slauson being part of the intensive rebuilding program, then move on. It’s better for the organization and its better for the player. I could care less what Slauson has done in the past. This is the ultimate business of what can you do for me now. And apparently the Bears don’t see Slauson fitting into their athletic oriented offensive line scheme. They want Offensive Guards who can get out and pull on the run. Slauson is to be congratulated for his work in Chicago. But that work doesn’t earn him LOYALTY. This is the NFL. Or Not For Long. Go ask Bill Bellichick. He has always maintained a highly objective emotionless approach to dealing with roster decisions. And it has worked brilliantly in New England.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        I’m just saying it doesn’t sit well you old fuckstick. Read my post and understand that I know it’s a business but when the guys actually perform and they STILL get cut it sucks especially if the alternatives are a relative unknown or acknowledged to be inferior.
        Rolle underperformed and was hurt. Urlacher was old and hurt and underperformed, same as Briggs and the rest….so they were cut and that’s fucking that.
        I’m talking about football which needs vets and leaders and role models in the locker room. In this case both Forte and Slauson contributed as recently as LAST YEAR. I know it’s a fucking business but that doesn’t mean you slash and burn for fuck of it. They don’t want to be a strong team and be 8-8 during a rebuild though….I get it.
        Imagine if real vets are there helping teach Grasu and Whitehair instead of them just stuck there getting blown the fuck up all day like Grasu did last year. Our LG and backup Center was a better Center than our 3rd round draft pick in Bonus Grasu.

        • Blackhawks63

          You and I don’t know if Slauson is truly healthy. You and I also don’t know if Slauson fits what Fox wants to do on offense with his line. Rebuilds that are done right can be a painful bitch, and this one is no exception. I’m happy that Pace is stone-cold in his approach. It’s not at all about sentimentality, it’s all about rebuilding in a manner that he believes is the right way to rebuild.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I clearly spelled out in my second sentence that short of injury info coming out it doesn’t make sense. He was at voluntary activities and getting ready for the year. Slauson came to the Bears on a prove it deal and proved it. Grasu doesn’t really fit what pro teams are trying to accomplish either which is not get blown 3yds back every play but that is not stopping him at this point.

          • CanadaBear

            “Grasu doesn’t really fit what pro teams are trying to accomplish either which is not get blown 3yds back every play but that is not stopping him at this point.”

            Garza taught him that before he left.

          • SC Dave

            Just as you don’t know that Pace knows what he’s doing.

          • MB30SD

            grumble grumble grumble.

            None of us will really know until 2017 dave, my maings.

            From my POV, get ride of as many of the lovie/angel/trestman/emery fucking regime as humanly possible as fast as possible where it makes sense. If we’re going to rip this down and build it back up, let’s get fucking on with it.

            Sentimentality is for school girls and old people (like me), this is football and we’ve all had enough of 8-8 or 9-7.

            …so get ready for a totally brand new… 8-8 this year!

          • SC Dave

            I’m with Johnny on ditching guys that were good. And would have been again this year.

          • MB30SD

            I get it, and I’m with both of you on Slauson (specifically). But realistically, we have no idea about mitigating factors here right?

            Pace doesn’t strike me as dumb… as unsentimental as he may be.

          • SC Dave

            He is miles from dumb. But I’m getting a little worried about his ego.

          • MB30SD

            hmmmm, I don’t see that. I see executing a plan with cold focus.

            I love focus… I’m a focus guy (overall, not mirco… I probably have ADHD)

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            haha, you can’t use the edit button like that. I call bullshit.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If anyone thinks Larsen, Ramirez and Nick Becton are better than Matt Slauson, I have a resort in Nigeria I want to sell.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Nigeria you say? is it at least along the coast?

      • Irish Sweetness

        I didn’t hear anything about Slauson not fitting their line. Source?

    • Sactowns#1

      Or maybe we all start to spin tales of BMarsh being “cancerous” to justify boneheaded moves by a GM.

      • Blackhawks63

        You are going to call Pace boneheaded? Really? Because he jettisoned a toxic psycho in Brandon Marshall? The same clown who was dumped for similar reasons by Denver and Miami? The same mental midget who has yet to play in even one playoff game?

        Pace is here to rebuild the Chicago Bears, period. Hard cold emotionless objective decision making is sometimes called for. This isn’t a friggin country club. It’s a football club trying to turn around years of embarassing play and become a winner.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Well, if it’s not a country club, I’m out. Fuck that.

          • DaMurph

            Ill stay for the drinks but I dont golf!

          • MB30SD

            golf is for old men with saggy balls.

          • Yes, but RICH saggy balls.

          • MB30SD

            sure, you can have your balls any way you want them my maings.

          • DaMurph

            Then I guess I’ll have to learn! FYI, mine are pendulous, gloriously pendulous!

          • MB30SD

            Hahaha, faaaaabulous!!!

        • Irish Sweetness

          The ‘toxic psycho’ averages over a hundred receptions a year double digit touchdowns, is a fearless blocker, and holds the NFL record for receptions in a single game. Give me more of those.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        Marshall is unhinged in general Sac. He called out a captain of the team and pretty much called him a bitch in front of everyone in Robbie.
        Forte had to call him out and Briggs walked out right in the middle of one of his crazy ass rants. Bennett was a different kind of cancer too. Those guys are the types of guys that require hard ass old school coaches that don’t put up with shit. Getting rid of them while painful was necessary.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Stuff they all had to hear no doubt. Again, if we had a damn head coach worth a damn, the wide receiver wouldn’t have to be the one to say it.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      You forgot to throw a few coins at the troll under the bridge…thanks alot, Waffle.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        It’s like Barb went through an intensive ESL course for the last year and a half, and now he’s on spring break.

    • Irish Sweetness

      It hurts me to hear cancerous and Brandon in the same sentence. He seemed to be the only one on the team that cared enough about winning to actually say something. We were coached by pussies, and the locker room was full of pussies. Brandon knew it and spoke up. Good for him.

      And if it was directly at Cutler, then even better. cutty needed a chewing out, he’d been taking the piss for six years.

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  • BillW

    I’m glad you guys are as puzzled as I am about Slauson’s release. I do trust Pace and Fox but this one stretches it somewhat. I get they want the guy they drafted, but it’s a bit premature to assume he steps right in (see White, Kevin). It’s not like them to be reckless. It can’t be money; it can’t be to give him time to catch on with someone (camp is months away yet and veteran linemen step in often even at the beginning of the season.

    Forte – that was disappointing but not shocking. This one was pretty shocking.

    • Blackhawks63

      A. You and I don’t know the medical assessement of Slauson
      B. The Bears are in rebuilding mode
      C. Slauson seemingly does not fit what the Bears want to do with their offensive line in terms of pulling, trapping, etc.

      • BillW

        Injury – well, maybe. And if so then the Bears are doing him a favor by not bringing it into the equation publicly and I can understand the move under that.

        And of course they are in rebuilding mode. For that reason I understood Forte – have to see what Langford is/isn’t before 2017. And yes, he doesn’t fit the scheme – but it’s surprising that they make an irreversible decision this early.

        Quality depth is very difficult to have in the NFL and and you have to agree that on the surface at least, the Bears just made OL depth weaker..

        • Blackhawks63

          Ryan Pace and John Fox didn’t try to trade Slauson and ultimately cut him because they are vindictive SOBs are wanting to sabotage the forward progression of the offensive line. Obviously they moved on from Slauson because they think the offensive line needs to be rebuilt too as part of the overall massive rebuilding job underway. They want to get more athletic on the line…that would seem highly evident. They want to pull with their offensive guards too…that much seems clear with Long, Whitehair, Larson projected to be the Guards. And it would seem apparent also that they must like the offseason progression of Grasu at Center.

          Slauson was cut 3 years ago by the Jets. And now he has been cut by the Bears. This is the life that NFL players sign up for. I wish Slauson well because he seems like a quality guy. And if he is legitimately healthy, then I’m sure he will latch on with another club.

          • BillW

            Can’t disagree with any of what you are saying. I certainly hope you are right about Grasu. And given I know very little about offensive line schemes, it just may be as you imply – Slausen in the scheme they want might be a worse fit than a street FA could be. I still trust them – but all I’m saying (along with others) is it came as a shock.

          • Blackhawks63

            Rebuilding done the right way can be messy, traumatic, eye-opening. We’ve seen that with Forte and also, to lesser degree, Slauson. Honestly, my faith and trust in Pace / Fox continues to grow. They aren’t screwin’ around. And if the patient needs surgery, then they aren’t intent to simply ignore the fact or slap a band-aid on the situation. We haven’t had this kind of approach in Chicago dating back to the mess Jim Finks inherited from Papa Bear. Rather we have seen the better part of the last 3 decades be the situation where Halas Hall lives in denial on things, or isn’t able or willing to rebuild things the right way. To me, Ryan Pace is CLEARLY a break from this sad past.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There was about 5 linemen they could have gotten rid of before Slauson. His release has nothing to do with rebuilding.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Disagree with the paradoxical bit, Bill. That’s an easy one.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Pace and Fox want to sabotage their lifeblood? And they want to rebuild it, and make it more athletic at the same time?

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s all about A., and if he’s tested positive for something, or he’s an alcoholic, they might just be doing him a solid and say it’s ‘health concerns’ he was released for.

        It just cannot be solely about his play – he saved our asses when we asked him to slide over to center in the middle of games.

  • Picnics with the Yakuza

    So Rosendoom, Unrein, Waffle, Clutts, SC Dave and BH63 walk into a bar….

    • CanadaBear

      I fucked up and replied to the wrong post. See Above (or below).

    • SC Dave

      Hey, are you looking for a fight, buster?

      (We ALL say to the Doomer)

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    My buddy just texted me the left hand side of the line. Haha,
    Grasu at C, Whitehair at LG, Leno Jr at LT
    Hoyer, get that armed warmed up!

    • EnderWiggin

      That’s what I was thinking too. But Wood said that one of our FA guys can play center.

      • EnderWiggin

        Larson maybe?

      • CanadaBear

        No doubt there are happy endings for Unrein and Clutts.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        Larsen and Ramirez will be solid depth. I’m just predicting mean Jay face comes out a little this year.

        • EnderWiggin

          ‘Tell Loggains I said “Fuck You”!

      • Irish Sweetness

        I hope we run it ….. a LOT

    • Big Mike

      Whitehair is going to be a beast. Maybe they are happy with Grasu’s conditioning. Could be upgrades all around.

      • I doubt Grassu is in their long term plans. After this year, they’ll likely address C.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          ugh, I don’t know if you can bust on a 3rd round pick in your first draft.

          • Big Mike

            If you hit on 1,2,4 and 5 you sure can. Grasu isn’t a bust. I don’t know what film you guys are looking at. He looked like a rookie, that needs to get a bit stronger. He didn’t look like Ducasse or oh mama, who really didn’t belong on the field.

          • Should’ve never drafted him, IMO.
            Made as much sense as when Emery drafted Rodriquez.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            in his defense , latino pass catching tight ends were all the rage back then.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            until they started shooting people.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Well if he busts the second rounder this year …..

        • Big Mike

          I don’t know how you can say that. The guy was supposed to redshirt last year. Have to see what he looks like.

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bears/bears-depth-chart-how-2016-team-shaping
    Interesting…..how fucking huge Jim Miller is getting. Holy shit, is he sleeping on Biggsy’s couch? Did Panda Express open up in the commercial space on the bottom floor of Millers condo building? WTF?

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Ugh, Kyle to LT? If they’re going to pull the trigger on that, hope they tell him now.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        before he tweets something about hating playing tackle and he’s happy its over with.

      • Big Mike

        I saw a depth chart with Long at LT about 3 months ago. I just think it isn’t very informed.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      He works for Comcast, where they suck your soul, but not the calories

    • willbest

      The projection of Long to LT would make even less sense in light of the Slauson cut

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      He was never svelte…but he once had separation between his chin and his chest.

  • BillW

    Two things I just read:
    One is that a lot of teams are cutting players right after the draft. I didn’t realize that was an NFL “tradition”. Maybe due to cap considerations? Must be more than a bunch of teams betting on their draft picks working out.

    Second is Rolle complaining about the practice fields. Interesting – we had what I though was an abnormal number of injuries that occurred at practice. While we hear complaints about Soldier Field all the time, I dont’ recall anyone mentioning the condition of the practice fields.

    • Big Mike

      Cutting happens every year right after the draft. In many cases it is done out of respect to a veteran so they can find a job. I was puzzled by the practice field comment as well.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Was that before or after he was cut?

        • Big Mike

          after.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    ” Two words: Packer week”

    Not sure if this is that exciting anymore…what else we got?

    • SC Dave

      How about Play Offs?

      • MB30SD

        Playoffs!?!?!…. PLAYoffs!?!?

        we talkin’ about PLAYOFFS?!!?!

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      it’s huge now man, the tide is turning. The Bears improved greatly in Free Agency and in the draft and despite dropping talent off of the roster the net result is a much younger, faster team. Just imagine the satisfaction of playing an active role in keeping GB out of the playoffs as they squander Rodgers career.

      • MB30SD

        fuck greenbay, fuck rodgers

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          the fucking is about to begin and GB is going to play Receiver.

        • Big Mike

          Fuck the packers

      • Big Mike

        I just can’t help but think we are 3-4 games better than last year. Our special teams are going to fantastic. We’ve got young speed. The pollock LB, (yeah, that’s what I’m calling him), one or 2 of the 3 dbs we took. The defense isn’t even from the same species. White stretch the field, slot receivers, rbs woo hoo

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          Man, I think Kevin White and Alshon on the field together is going to be borderline unfair. Then Miller Time and Royal?

          • Big Mike

            You forget Wilson, who was at times our best WR. He was not awful. I liked that guy.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I like Wilson too. Nice 4th WR.

          • MB30SD

            I was a big royal supporter…. he was good in sd, but the wheels might just have fallen off… a la rolle.

            We’ll see, if not and it was just a freak injury year, we may very well be totally stacked at WR this year if we can stay healthy.

            Alshon
            White
            Wilson
            Royal
            Miller
            The new kid we got who supposedly is the second coming of welker/edelman

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Braverman is already being fitted for his HOF jacket.

          • MB30SD

            XS?

    • Picnics with the Yakuza

      Look – here’s the skinny –

      Floyd was picked up to run Rodgers down.

      When you break down the stats – and I am sure data has – the 3rd down conversion rate is what they know they have to lower,

      Pace has no qualms about using specialized talent in this way; if Floyd is relegated to sub-package then Fangio don’t care. If he can close down on Aaron and keep him from escaping to the outside – I’ve seen Rodgers leave Peppers flat footed. And if you can get him down instead of letting him buy time and force punts instead of conversions – the stats must be huge on just being able to do that ONE THING 2-4 times a game.

      T.O.P., position, so many things happen when you take away guys like Rodgers and Bridgewater ability to run for first downs or escape the pocket. Houston is not catching Rodgers from behind. Young is not catching Arron Rodgers when he gets juked out.

      Floyd? Floyd comes down on you like some fucking shadow monster from a slasher film. This guy is on the QB in THREE STRIDES.

      • madscout12

        Thinking through fast/mobile QBs in the league.
        -Rogers
        -Bridgewater
        -Cam
        -Jebus
        -Kaep, when starting

        …that’s just in the NFC.

        • Picnics with the Yakuza

          I’m sure Data has a stat for 3rd down conversion using legs vs. arm. It’s critical if you are going to rush 4 and drop one – they can’t let the QB get outside of them or slice upfield in a lane.

          • madscout12

            And anyone should watch cut-ups of Floyd. Dude didn’t rush most of the time. Most of the time, he sits on the edge, reads the play, and chases the fucking RB or QB down from behind.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            PFF said that when he did rush he had the most pressures per rush on the QB of anyone in the draft. You are right though, he wasn’t rushing as much due to the team situation.

          • madscout12

            From the above, he has some bad wiffs on the QB. But what Pace said is right, dude flat out does not come off the field.

            He also has a bad penalty at 8:15

      • Floyd does run like a gazelle.
        Also why we drafted Bullard. EXPLOSIVE. Long arms.
        These guys chasing down Vadgers should give us all Bear-boners.

        We all know Goldman, Tre and McPhee will do their job.

        And Amos can bring the wood.

      • I actually dusted one off this weekend and broke down some stats on Floyd. My former site is dead in the water, but I worked it out with somebody else to publish it on theirs. Should hopefully be out soon.

        • FYI, you won’t like it if you’re looking for good news.

          Sorry.

          • Who do you think Floyd compares to more?

            Mingo, Dion Jordan?

            How does he differ in ur opinion from say Jason Taylor?

          • I don’t think he’s an edge rusher. Or more I think he’ll fail if they try to make him one. Use him as an off-ball linebacker who occasionally rushes the passer and he might succeed.

          • MB30SD

            So I have to believe they do this all at halls right? They HAVE to have the sane data to throw into the mix?!

            I watched the auburn game and was thoroughly underwhelmed. Anyway, wtf do I know

          • it’s not that I think he won’t be a good player. It’s that there’s a certain combination of data points that makes me fairly confident he won’t be a good pass rusher.

            I see him more as a Bruce Irvin/Anthony Barr type of player than an Aldon Smith (looking at best case scenarios).

          • MB30SD

            Right. Well, I guess that’s why we spent the dime on bullard

          • Irish Sweetness

            Since Fangio doesn’t blitz I don’t think he will be a pass rusher anyway. Tackling and coverage, the odd blitz. That’s his role in life now.

          • I agree, but Pace talked about him in his press conference as primarily an edge rusher. I don’t think he’ll thrive in that role.

      • Irish Sweetness

        That’s a good point, and just speaks to his versatility. When you’re playing a Vadgers or a Wilson type, Floyd is your spy. I like it.

  • Picnics with the Yakuza
    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      lol

    • MB30SD

      Yikes!!

  • Picnics with the Yakuza

    Of the seven safeties on the Bears’ roster, five are either rookies or second-year players.

    They must really think they can pair Amos up with Bush back there.

    • Can it be worse than Jones-Quartley, or Quartely-Jones?

      They know finding safeties in mid-rounds is a crap shoot, so they simply increased their odds

      (unlike Emery who traded up and thought he found the next Mike Brown in Brock Vereen when it was PAINFULLY obvious from Vereeen’s college tape that he was a dud).

      Guess we’ll find out. It helps that it’s Fangio coaching them up and not Bubba Gump.

      • CanadaBear

        Vereen was the CD of safeties. No instincts and refused to take anyone head on.

        • MB30SD

          The one god damn quality I hate in a football player (nay, man) is pussiness (yes, newish word… you’re welcome).

          Uhgggg, that’s the fucking worst. I don’t care if you suck, but if you’re a coward at the point of attack, you’re totally fucking useless

          • And a DEAD give away of that is when a collegiate doesn’t crush anyone in his “highlights” or ball-hawk.

            I’d rather take a chance on an “overly aggressive” “undisciplined” annihilator like Amos than on a timid JAG like Brock every day of the week

            (then again, there are Swoles out there lol)

          • MB30SD

            Jeeeeees

          • Irish Sweetness

            Not a Deion Sanders fan then? Me neither. Once I heard him talk about ‘business decisions’ when tackling guys like Okoye I lost any and all respect for him.

          • MB30SD

            He’s a fucking clown, but was a hell of a cover corner. Respect… I have much more of that for a guy like peanut who’ll never make the hof,but fucked dude’s up and did it with a closed mouth and a full heart.

            Peanut over big jaw any fucking day of the week

          • Big Mike

            Man, I’m telling you I don’t know if it is old man “get off my lawn syndrome”, but I see more and more of what I call “shirt tacklers” in youth football. Somehow they manage to make top level teams without ever really smacking anyone. They get guys down, but it is like a CD training film. Positioning themselves to trip, drag or wrestle a guy down. Never just straight out tackling the guy. I blame it on Flag Football. (which is not a sport in my book, it is a recess activity).

          • MB30SD

            Agree on all. Turrible. I blame it on the CTE revelation.

            I 100% think kids and parents are taking heed. Which is smart for lives and brains, but it’s the death knell for the beautiful game of football mike.

          • Big Mike

            Coach Big Mike to kid. “Hey kid, you look like you’d rather be taking a nap than playing football” Kid to Coach Big Mike “I know, would you tell my Dad to take me home so I can sleep”

            My take on the CTE situation with respect to Youth and High School football. At the youth level, they don’t hit very hard until they are in 7th or 8th grade, we teach every single night, in every single drill to NEVER, lead with your helmet. Head Across the runner, shoulder pad through to the back numbers. There is a “heads up football” method of teaching how to tackle. It’s a slight refinement to the tackling of the old days, but not as different as people make it sound. So in addition to cleaner/safer but equally effective technique, we are just working on making it unacceptable to pop a guy with your head. Some may say that takes the fun out of (sorry for being non-PC) a kill shot. But it is our best hope for preserving the game. You can still wreck a guy and de-cleat him, you just can’t lead with your head. EVER. I’ve benched kids for it, I even suspended a kid for it.

            I don’t think CTE is a risk to Joe HS football player, I think it will be less so as more and more kids are taught heads up football. I think the danger begins in college. The physics of mass and speed, just start to be too great.
            I don’t have any data, but I also think that mismatches in College are so HUGE that you have young men on the field with players that are so much better than they are, The risk of injury increases. It’s also the repetitions. But and this is a huge point. If a guy is playing College Football, he made a choice. Same with a guy in the NFL.

            My point is that youth football and HS football are simply the best way I know of to teach certain lessons about being a good man.

          • MB30SD

            Agree, but man… all I did was lead with my helmet. It’s what made me feared on the field. I couldn’t really cover for shit, but man, could I light dude’s up.

            Just not the same without the old Sokol way, as you’re seeing. .. but then again, I probably have some level of CTE myself

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            that’s what there are so many leg injuries now. When you replicate the actions and movements of a horsecollar just without the pulling back of the jersey it gets crazy.

          • Big Mike

            interesting. I had not connected the two.

    • Irish Sweetness

      8 I counted. 6 corners.

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    I bought some lunch for the office today and was sitting with a buddy and he asked me how I liked our draft. Blah, blah, blah like, rush ability, like the G, really like Bullard….I reciprocate and find out that he was a Chiefs fan…..Chris Jones. I wanted to take my sub back that I had bought for him…or at the very least lick the bread or something.

  • AlbertInTucson

    During Slausen’s tenure as a Bear, the offensive line was ALWAYS better when he was part of it.

  • So much gloom-and-doom.

    We’re going to the playoffs, biatches!

    Think of this. Last year we were starting SHEA. Fucking this guy.

    http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/XEz1Z_lg3XypHWzgDZ_Ilw–/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztxPTg1O3c9NjMw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-us/homerun/video.stack.com/9db860cbe4cdba3ea8b4e974b40311bc

    And Christian Jones who showed some promise but couldn’t cover sand if he laid a blanket on the beach.

    THAT’s why it was easy to get 1st downs with any TE or route across the middle.

    We also were rushing guys like Gaston, Scruggs and Unrein and expected Amos, a rookie, to somehow become MB behind that while playing next to a PS scrub in Jones-Q and posterboy JAG Vereen.

    Now, we got REAL fucking men in the middle in Freeman and Tre. Remember when we all thought Timu and Anderson would become starters? Now, they’re just depth.

    We got Akiem Hicks and Bullard to compete with Sutton, Washington, and Ego, and while our DE situation still is not ideal, it’s a lot better than fucking Unrein and Scruggs.

    (And I still hold out hope we’re bringing in Mo by next year)

    Goldman has proven to be a man-beast, and is only gonna get better, and both McPhee and Young can play DE anyways, or even Houston/Floyd.

    No more fucking McManis at CB.

    Porter and Fuller are not AP, but behind a better pass-rush, they should be better, while Bryce Callahan really flashed.

    Same should apply to Amos who will no longer be a rookie

    (And on top of that, we drafted like 6 secondary guys. ONE of them has to stick).

    On Offense how can we NOT be better? White’s presence alone should stretch the field and open up run lanes and underneath routes.

    Alshon can’t possibly inj his vagina again, can he?

    Miller IS better than Bennett in every way (when he’s not inj)

    Leno will have another year of exp, and while Massie and Whithair are still question marks, gotta love their upside. Long is a beast at OG and can kick out if need be.

    Langford is EXPLOSIVE and can score on any play, just like White. Then we bring in a 6’1 230 basher In Howard (who many predict to win the job outright) to lower the boom behind the Unrein Express.

    And Cutty will have another year under the system, and IF he does go down, we won’t have to relive the god damn Clausen trauma with Hoyer.

    So, buck up Ladies.

    . Lesbo. Keeled. Bridgwater buried. Vadgers. Muerto!

    • Shady

      Not a bad batch Butch, I’ll sip the Aid.

      • I forgot who brought it up, but it seems like a lot of the national writers do indeed love our draft more than the local mob.

        Here’s evaluator Evan Silva who gave us one of the highest grades:

        Chicago Bears

        1 (9). Georgia OLB Leonard Floyd
        2 (56). Kansas State G/C Cody Whitehair
        3 (72). Florida DE Jonathan Bullard
        4 (113). West Virginia ILB Nick Kwiatkoski
        4 (124). Miami (FL) S Deon Bush
        4 (127). Northern Iowa CB Deiondre’ Hall
        5 (150). Indiana RB Jordan Howard
        6 (185). William & Mary S DeAndre Houston-Carson
        7 (230). Western Michigan WR Daniel Braverman

        Overview: Bears GM Ryan Pace
        wanted Floyd badly, sending a fourth-round pick (106) to Tampa Bay to
        climb just two slots and steal Floyd ahead of the Giants. Pace stayed
        active on day two, trading down and securing Buffalo’s fourth-round pick
        in 2017. In addition to reeling off consistent value picks, Pace
        attacked needy areas on his roster and stockpiled quality football
        players who were productive in college. What Floyd lacks in floor he
        makes up for in ceiling as a long-armed, versatile edge player with the
        most explosive get-off in the draft. Whitehair needs to get stronger,
        but he profiles as a starting guard in a year or two. Bullard was one of
        the top value picks in the draft and legitimately could start as a
        rookie. A downhill bruiser at 6-foot, 230, it wouldn’t shock me if
        Howard emerged as the Bears’ lead ball carrier at some point this year.
        In Kwiatkoski, Hall, and Houston-Carson, Chicago added year-one special
        teams contributors with a chance to become more down the line. After
        having only six picks in his first draft, I think sophomore GM Pace hit a
        homerun here. It should also be noted that the 2016 Bears should
        finally get a fully-healthy Kevin White.

        Grade: A-

        http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/62338/174/draft-2016-nfc-draft-grades

        • MB30SD

          yep, das what I’ve been seein’. Tons a industry dudes giving pace B+ and above grades.

          Add Kevin White to the load and he did well. I’m in.

          • Big Mike

            Don’t like seeing him say that Whitehair needs to get stronger. I think he’s ready day 1. Worse case he is pushing one of our 2 free agent guards.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Do you know those guys Mike? I saw a Broncos fan ripping Ramirez for being terrible.

          • Big Mike

            Ramirez is a depth/versatility signing. He has experience with Fox. He played for Denver for a few years and then Detroit last year. He’s a veteran nearing the end of his career. I think he’s 33-34. He can play Guard or Center. He started at RG and LG for the first 5 games last year Detroit. He got benched, came back and started the last three games at Center. When they got him, I thought bringing him in off the bench would be a hell of a lot better than oh mama, or duck ass.

            Larsen is the guy I expect will go into the lineup. He’s a young guy who was a backup to Jonathan Cooper. Larsen came in last year around game 5 or so when Cooper got injure. When Cooper got healthy, Larsen kept the job. I think the Cardinals O-line was one of their strengths. From a Cardinal’s blog

            “Arians likes the experience Larsen brings to the lineup and feels he has been playing better than Cooper. At this point in this season, the team is not looking at development. We are trying to win a Super Bowl and will play the player who is better right now.

            Fans recall the Larsen from last season who struggled in their eyes. However, when he started at left guard to start the season in place of the injured Mike Iupati, he was probably the team’s best lineman in that stretch”

          • MB30SD

            100%

        • Irish Sweetness

          Or ….. he could have drafted the Heismann and Doak Walker winning 250lb back who would DEFINITELY be our lead back on Day ONE, safe in the knowledge he had just signed two guards this off-season, and then drafted another one if he didn’t trust the two he’d just signed (which would raise other questions).

          Or … he could have drafted Jihad AND Bullard to give us a nice rotation at our weakest spot … and still drafted Howard

          I like both of those options better than what we got … a small tackle that hasn’t played guard in two years … and none of the above.

          The first pick was easy. You say yes or no to Tunsil – Pace has decided he wants a team full of choir boys, so that was never even a question. Then your option is Floyd or Hargeaves.

          Still no TE.

          C+

          • Big Mike

            Your entire rep is on the line with this jihad guy. You’re saying Jihad is better than Whitehair and the 4th round guy they picked up. Not positive but I think that exact 4th round pick was Kwiatoski(sp) the LB.

          • MB30SD

            Yep

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s a position thing, whoever Pace had as the best DE on the board picking where we were picking. He could still have gone Bullard in 3. DE is o longer a positio of concern. Point is he had just signed two guards, and if they’re no good then why did he sign them? if they’re good, then why a tackle-that-hasn’t’-played-guard-for-two years in the second? Two years!! There’s no way he’s even starting for us in week one.

            We all know the chances of Kwiatoski ever starting.

          • Big Mike

            He got three 4th round draft picks. 2 this year and one next. I’m not worried about DE. Our LB group is so much better, not even in the same league as what we had last year. I think Pace took that into account. The DE is a either a bigger version of a DE in a 4-3 or a smaller, faster version of a 4-3 DT. His job is to occupy a blocker, get a push, read two gaps and screw up the OLs blocking scheme by throwing off their timing. You do not need “studs” at DE in the 4-3. You need a stud NT or 2. Stud OLBs and a good to very good ILBs. The DEs that were available could all be great players, but in the 3-4 there greatness, while it isn’t wasted, Doesn’t have the impact on the overall result as you might suspect. That’s my nickel.

    • MB30SD

      In! Well done.

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      from your mouth to god´s ears. I´m In

    • Picnics with the Yakuza

      he was country strong

    • EnderWiggin

      I like this. But, is Miller better than Bennett at blocking or YAC? Doubt it.

      • Captain Obvious

        Miller is plain fast. He catches the ball in stride, he gone. We saw that last year.

        There’s your YAC.

      • YAC u say?

        Route and Hands you say?

        Miler is also a WILLING blocker. Which by most accounts, is more than Bennett after year 1.

        • MB30SD

          I pray to joboo that he stays healthy this entire year

    • Big Mike

      mmmm Playofffs in Homer Simpson voice. And there is Marques Wilson.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Still hoping he finds a box of talent, Mike :o)

  • Picnics with the Yakuza
    • MB30SD

      but it’s my yob!

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        I like it, you put so much penis to so many chicks on Tinder it’s like a 2nd career.
        #commitment

        • Picnics with the Yakuza

          Like Johnny Appleseed but with sperm

          • MB30SD

            Please god no. No seed, just dick

          • Johnny AppleDick

          • Shady

            MB “Johnny AppleDick” 30SD

            The only guy with faster get off than Leonard Floyd.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            “Johnny AppleDick” kind of sounds like a slang term for an STD from the 1920s

          • MB30SD

            And you’re both right!

            You both get the consolidation prize!!! Ding ding ding!!!!

        • MB30SD

          #anythingworthdoingisworthdoingright

        • MB30SD

          #commitmenttonocommitment

  • Picnics with the Yakuza

    Chris Christie said on radio show this morning that if he were still a prosecutor he would have gone onto the draft day floor and cuffed Tunsil right there on the spot

    • MB30SD

      Assssshooooole

    • willbest

      1) Never seen a prosecutor perp walk anybody. Though there was that spoof movie Fatal Instinct where a defense attorney was also a cop and would represent the criminals he arrested.

      2) I haven’t seen the video but I doubt there is any evidence that the incident occurred in Illinois (and probably evidence to suggest it didn’t), so there would be no reason for any IL law enforcement to involve themselves in the process. At best they would have reasonable and articulate suspicion to question him about any pot that might be on his possession currently and to inquire if the video was made in IL.

      3) No doubt orders came down from Rahmfather that NFL draft prospects in town were not to be bothered for non-violent misdemeanors lest Lord Goodell decide Chicago wasn’t an NFL friendly place to hold a draft

      • Picnics with the Yakuza

        Fatal Instinct. ha. Did it star Leslie Nielsen?

        • willbest

          One of the few spoofs in the day that didn’t. Armand Assante. He was the Rico in the Sly Stone Judge Dredd.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Buffoon.

    • Irish Sweetness

      For wearing a mask that had some unidentified smoke coming out of it?

  • willbest

    Some random internet person brought up this Carson interview of Bo Derek. I find it fascinating in terms of the “not allowed to do that on television” anymore complete with audience participation, and the husband who would no doubt be seen as an abusive man these days.

  • Picnics with the Yakuza

    Rot u Mofo. Rot.

    http://a2.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2016%2F0502%2Fr79470_1296x729_16%2D9.jpg&w=1140&cquality=40

    Bastard is trying to get convictions over turned. That’s it, burn the last of your money bitch.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      Kind of disappointed he hasn’t been shanked in prison yet.

      • willbest

        They might have him separated.

  • willbest

    Going to have to agree with Jeff. I don’t get soccer, but I often wish “The Ocho” was real.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    new thread/poll

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