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Recent Draft History Dictates Bears Approach at QB

| November 15th, 2016

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The following is a special piece from the artist known as Data.

 

Ever since Ryan Pace took over the Bears in the 2015 offseason, rumors have been swirling around Jay Cutler. First, Pace was desperate to move on from him and draft Marcus Mariota, but then that didn’t work out, Cutler stuck around for 2015 and had a very good year, and all of a sudden the Bears were building around Jay Cutler. Then a rough start to the 2016 season that saw more turnovers than touchdowns before an injury knocked him out for a month happened, Cutler was replaced by Brian Hoyer, and head coach John Fox seemed to indicate Hoyer might be Chicago’s starter going forward. But the Bears kept losing, Hoyer got hurt, and rumors swirled simultaneously that Fox was done with Cutler and Pace might be done with Fox. Then Cutler came back and played a tremendous game in an upset of Minnesota, and all of a sudden he’s the quarterback we need, but not the one we deserve.

All that in a season and a half. It’s been a whirlwind ride, and nobody has any idea what’s going to happen in the last half season that could change the narrative around Cutler in either direction. Here’s one thing that seems abundantly clear: Cutler is 33 years old and has a long injury history, so whether or not he’s with the Bears in 2017, they need to start looking to the future of the game’s most important position.

But there are a lot of different opinions as to how the Bears should do that. Some think they should cut (or more realistically trade) Cutler and draft the next QB with their 1st pick. Others think they should keep Cutler around but spend a draft pick on a QB to groom behind him.

In order to help figure out which approach gives you better odds of success, I looked at the draft history of recent NFL drafts to see what the odds are of landing a solid starting quarterback in various parts of the draft. It’s too early to pass much judgment on 2016, as only 2 out of 15 quarterbacks drafted saw the field. So instead I looked at the 2011-15 drafts, giving us a 5-year sample size.

I evaluated the QBs by splitting them into 4 categories:

  • Entrenched starters are their teams’ guy and will be for the foreseeable future, as the team is happy with them.
  • Semi-entrenched starters are looking promising, but the team is not fully committed to them. They could be the long-term answer, but might be gone in a year or two as well.
  • Placeholders are starting but likely not for long.
  • Everyone else is not a starter.

There were 55 quarterbacks drafted between 2011 and 2015, with 17 currently starting (or the scheduled starter but out healthy). So 38 are not starters. Of the 17 starters, I identified 7 as entrenched; these are Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Derek Carr, Andy Dalton, and Russell Wilson. There are 5 I labeled as semi-entrenched: Ryan Tannehill, Teddy Bridgewater, Brock Osweiler, Kirk Cousins, and Tyrod Taylor. That leaves 5 as placeholders: Ryan Griffin III, Blake Bortles, Colin Kaepernick, Nick Foles, and Trevor Siemian. There are some of these that are not super obvious and could potentially fall into a different category, but that’s generally how I grouped them (full list here).

Now that I’m through the boring stuff, let’s get to the good part: where did these players come from in the draft? What draft areas have recently produced the best odds of landing a solid starting quarterback?

Let’s start at the top, where conventional wisdom says you’re most likely to find your guy. And that absolutely proves true here. All 6 quarterbacks picked in the top 3 from 2011-15 are currently starting, and all but Robert Griffin III and Blake Bortles look like long-term answers. So 2/3 of these picks have succeeded recently, including stars like Andrew Luck and Cam Newton. That’s an outstanding track record that shows the NFL has recently been doing a rock-solid job of identifying the very best quarterbacks in college.

It gets dicier from there though. Picks 4-10 produced 3 quarterbacks picked from 2011-15, and only Ryan Tannehill is still starting among that group. The other two were uber-busts Jake Locker and Blaine Gabbert. And the rest of round 1 doesn’t look much better either. From picks 11-32, Teddy Bridgewater is the only one of 5 quarterbacks drafted who ever looked like a solid NFL starter. Add it all together, and the 8 quarterbacks drafted outside the top 3 between 2011 and 2015 have resulted in 0 fully entrenched starters, with only 2 who are currently starting and might be the long-term answer.

Round 2 saw 6 quarterbacks drafted in this range, and 3 of them (Carr, Dalton, Osweiler) are currently starting. Carr and Dalton are entrenched as their teams’ guy for the foreseeable future, while Osweiler has not looked particularly good this year but has a contract that dictates he’ll get through at least 2017 to prove himself. And that doesn’t include Jimmy Garrapolo, who looked good in limited action in 2016 and will likely sign somewhere to be a starter this offseason.

Round 3 also saw 6 quarterbacks drafted, though Russell Wilson is the only one among them who has amounted to anything (sorry Nick Foles). Likewise for round 4, where Kirk Cousins is the only one of 8 drafted QBs to do anything of note.

The odds get even worse from there; 21 QBs were drafted in rounds 5-7, and only Tyrod Taylor and Trevor Siemian have become starters. Neither is a lock to be a long-term starter, though both have looked solid this year, but even if  they both pan out those are less than 10% odds.

Add it all up, and what do we get? The Bears’ best chance of getting a good young QB to be their guy for the next 10 years comes from drafting in the top 3. The good news for Bears fans interested in going that route is that Chicago would be drafting 3rd if the draft was today (I wrote this after week 8), but they seem unlikely to stay that way as they get healthier. They could always take the option of trading up into this range, like Philadelphia did last year, but that’s expensive. The Eagles gave up additional 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks to go from 8 to 2 and get Carson Wentz last year. Philadelphia’s front office probably feels pretty good about that trade right now, especially since they were able to get a first back from Minnesota by trading their incumbent starter, but the price is steep. If you swing and miss on somebody like Blake Bortles, that sets you back for years (just ask Jacksonville).

Still, the Bears could be in a position like Philadelphia was last year, where they can move up to a top 3 pick to get their guy and trade Cutler to recoup some of their lost draft picks. If Ryan Pace finds a quarterback in this draft that he absolutely loves and has to have, he should by all means go up and get him.

If that option doesn’t work out, however, recent history says reaching for a QB in the rest of round 1 is a terrible idea. They’d be better off waiting until round 2 to grab their guy, or even trading up from early round 2 into late round 1 like the Vikings did with Bridgewater. The 2nd round seems to have been a sweet spot for finding solid QB value in recent years, and Chicago’s best odds of success might actually be keeping Cutler around while drafting a QB to groom behind him in round 2.

Once you get beyond round 2, the success rate drops off dramatically. At that point you’re basically throwing a pick away, though the value you get there from finding a good QB is astronomical, especially if that QB emerges as a starter while still on his rookie deal.

So recent history suggests Chicago’s best odds of success are either grabbing a cream of the crop QB in the top 3 picks or waiting until round 2 to grab a 2nd-tier player they like and think will develop well. Waiting until round 2 is probably the safer option, as it allows you to keep Jay Cutler around as a good-but-not-great starter for the next few years, which should guarantee the Bears are competitive if they build a solid roster around him (which seems to be coming into place right now). Furthermore, if the guy they draft to groom behind him doesn’t pan out, they get another shot at it in 2-3 years when Cutler leaves.

Going all in on a top-3 pick at quarterback has the highest ceiling, as that is where most of the superstar QBs come from, but it also has a much higher risk of failure, because Ryan Pace will only get one crack at it, with no Cutler to solidify things if he swings and misses. If Pace identifies an elite QB he believes in, he absolutely should go up and get him, but if he’s wrong his career as a GM will effectively be over, and more importantly to Bears fans, the Bears will be set back as a franchise for several years.

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  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    Link for full list didn’t translate. Here is is, if anybody is curious: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QrneRVCbf0v5cZbNfHFBioickIAU8NRbI8Ceh3sSs_M/edit#gid=0

  • Irish Sweetness

    Good stuff.

    We may have a record that actually gives us that top three pick with no trades anyway. Probability of drafting a stud is higher, yet that remaining third is who a guy like Pace could pick. If he drafts a dummy then we’re fucked for the reminder of Pace’s contract at least. If he drafts Kizer – or whoever – I can see the offense moving in his second year, preferably spending most of his rookie season on the bench watching Cutler.

    To trade Cutty or not is the question. I don’t see how we can leave the draft-kid without a mentor. Let him play out his contract. If we can fix the OL we could be a good team.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      If they draft a QB high in round 1, then IMO Cutler gets traded and they re-sign Hoyer to be the mentor/bridge.

      My fear with that is that they keep Fox as well, and Fox will waste time doing exactly what Jeff Fisher is doing in STL right now. Start the bridge guy for too long while the team flounders and the high pick rookie sits on the bench.

      • Weed Superman (GP)

        fuck Fox.

        • MB30SD

          Cut that pos now. Weekend at Bernie’s

          • SC Dave

            You guys want to give Cutler another feather to add to his “coach killer” cap?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            it would not be a big feather. It appears Fox was already half dead as a coach when he signed.

          • MB30SD

            Bingo!

          • SC Dave

            Fair enough.

          • MB30SD

            Doooonnnnt caaaaaaaare.

            I just want him gone. HeDone!!

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Yeah, but this time they’ll kill each other, so two birds with one stone.

      • Irish Sweetness

        And let’s not forget Shaw, who looked like he could be pretty good.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          Don’t forget that a lot of people were hyped by Hanie years ago, and excited by Fales the last couple years. So by all means forget Shaw.

          • SC Dave

            Awesome analysis.

          • MB30SD

            Hahaha

      • CanadaBear

        JW, nice piece. I respect your opinion but why in the world do you think the Bears will be able to trade Cutler? Everyone and his brother knows they are going to go in another direction, why wouldn’t they just wait the Bears out? Not to mention, who wants to pay that stiff $16 mil next year? Until it’s over, I maintain the Bears will get nothing for him.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          Look at the history of QBs around the league.

          Everybody knew the 49ers were dumping Alex Smith, but they still got 2 2nds for him.

          Cutler’s a bit older but a better QB overall than Smith, IMO. Should get a similar return.

          And that contract is not stiff at all. Absolutely in line with his peers.

          • BerwynBomber

            Here is the acid test for Cutler’s contract. Do you think he would get the same money on the open market right now?

            Smith did not have Cutler’s track record or rep, and not only was he much younger, he was ascending.

            I want to believe in everything you are saying about Cutler’s trade value but I’m skeptical.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            If the Bears cut him, he will get more $$ per year than is left on his contract, plus far more guaranteed $$ than he currently has left, on the open market.

            His contract right now is basically a dream for a GM. Year to year and very affordable for 4 years, can dump with no penalty at any time. Best possible setup for a starting QB contract short of having your guy on a rookie deal.

          • BerwynBomber

            I can’t see Cutler being “a dream” for any GM at $16M but time will tell.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Not if the league concludes Cutler is Fitzgerald without the beard.

            An inj prone turn over machine that can in stretches get hot but ultimately collapses.

            Then he’ll get a Fitz contract, which is one year $12M or something along those lines.

            I seriously believe Cutler could end up being a high end backup next season, esp if Romo, Garrapolo, Glennon and Bridgewater hit the market.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            of QBs you named, Glennon is the only one that is a FA. The others would need to be cut or traded for. Will Bridgewater even be able to play next year after that injury?

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Garoppolo is under contract through 2017, so he’ll be traded only (if that).

            Glennon is a scrub.

            Romo is done. I don’t think he’ll ever play in the NFL again due to the back injuries.

            Bridgewater still has 1 year left on his deal and will be the starter in MIN if he’s healthy enough to play (early speculation on his injury was that it would be 2 years minimum, maybe career threatening, if I remember correctly).

            If NE trades Garoppolo, he’d be the #1 QB option on the market. Because of the tantalizing of what he could be and his age.

            Cutler will be next, with considerable distance between him and anybody else. GM/coach looking to save his job who needs to win that year will know Cutler is his best bet.

          • CanadaBear

            JW, look what you just wrote, “GM/coach looking to save his job who needs to win that year will know Cutler is his best bet”. Cutler has killed more coaches and GM’s than any player in history. Gonna be interesting!

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            I would still contend that Cutler doesn’t kill those coaches, rather he has survived a string of crappy coaches/OCs.

            Adam Gase was the first even competent OC he had. And 1 year with Cutler got Gase a HC job.

            Now I’m not gonna sit here and tell you Jay Cutler is Aaron Rodgers but in a shitty situation or anything like that, but he is a good QB overall. Not great, but not terrible (though he’ll have 1-2 great games and 1-2 terrible games in a given year).

            I think the fact that he’s lasted this long in Chicago through so many shitty coaches is actually pretty remarkable. I look at Flacco in BAL and can’t help but be jealous of what the Ravens have done around him for so long. If the Bears had competent people in charge they could have had those same results since 2009. Maybe no SB, but consistently good.

            I’m always amazed at the level fans blame/praise a good but not great QB. A year ago, Matthew Stafford was getting run out of Detroit. Now he’s the 2nd coming of Joe Montana. Amazing what a good OC will do. People were hyping Cutler for MVP in 2011 before he got hurt, which was insane. Then they wanted to run him out of town for failing to win with a shitty roster under Trestman, which was equally insane. NYG fans have done the same shit with Eli over the years. Hell, even Rivers (though he is superior to Cutler) saw a massive fluctuation in performance based on the talent level around him, both on the field and in his headset. We’re seeing it with Rodgers now too. Luck in IND.

            Put a good QB in a good situation and give him all the credit for his success. Put him in a bad situation and blame him for the teams’ failures. Both are equally dumb.

          • BerwynBomber

            Martz will go down in NFL history as a much better OC than Cutler was a QB.
            Not sure what Flacco has had around him — certainly no group of skilled receivers that ever equaled BMarsh, Alshon, Uni and Forte.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Martz’ system was fantastic in STL, with a borderline HOF QB, a HOF RB, 2 borderline HOF WRs, and a HOF LT.

            It failed miserably everywhere he tried it after that. Combination of not having incredible talent to run it and not adapting to changes in how NFL defenses attacked the offense.

            The shine had completely worn off of Martz by the time Chicago hired him, which was why he agreed to come to Chicago when everybody thought Lovie was about to get fired.

          • CanadaBear

            I used to trot out all those tired excuses for Cutler, too. Not that I disagree about the OC’s but Cutler doesn’t make anyone around him look better. Cutler rarely hits guys in stride, can’t read a D to save his life, can only process half the field/play, has little touch, no pocket awareness, mechanics that come and go with the breeze and a hideous reputation league-wide. It’s rare you can’t convince me with your line of thinking but we’ll have to agree to disagree. As always, hope you’re correct.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Cutler’s not a guy you can bank on to consistently be great. And he’s not turning a meh guy into a stud.

            He also seems less performance-reliant on the talent around him than most QBs. His performance didn’t really change going from Bennett/Hester/Davis to Marshall/Jeffery/Bennett, which was pretty surprising to me.

            You get what you get with Cutler. He makes some huge plays, turns it over more than you’d like, and overall averages out to good but not great.

            I still say he’s one of the best 20 QBs in the NFL and he will be starting somewhere next year. And the last 10 years of stats absolutely back up the 1st half of that claim. Which means common sense dictates the latter half to be true.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            How much better than last week can it get for Cutler?

            And he STILL turned it over 3 times in the span of like 10 mins, including a pick six by lock HOFer Conte, and a few more that probably should’ve been INTed.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            yep, he has a few shit games a year that make everybody think “WTF is this guy an NFL QB.”

            Then he has a few games like MIN every year, that make everybody overreact and say “holy shit, this guy’s a stud.”

            Overall, it evens out. He’s not great, not bad. He’s a solid starter. Which is incredibly valuable in the NFL because there are maybe 18-20 guys who fit that bill and 32 teams.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            I posted this b4, but I’ll do so again:

            In no particular order. Who would PREFER Cutty over their incumbent?

            1. Pats. Plz. Next
            2. Roth. See above
            3. Wilson. ” ”
            4- 23 Luck, Rivers, Rodgers, Cam, Flacco, Eil, Stafford, Carr, Ryan,Brees, Mariota, Dak/Romo, Wentz, Winston, Alex Smith, Palmer, Dalton, Keenum/Goff, Bradford/Teddy, Simien/Lynch

            That’s already 23 teams that would NOT want Cutty (barring catastrophic inj or retirement.

            Then you get to other teams who would LIKELY want their guy over Cargo.

            Tyrod Taylor
            Cousins
            Bortles
            Oz

            That’s 27.

            Add a few possible QBs that will likely be more desired than Cutler.

            Romo, Garrapolo, Glennon, Hoyer, Tannehilll

            That’s 32.

            Is Cutler definitively better than any of those previous 32, esp for $16M/yr?

            And that’s not even taking into account the draft, which will offer at least 3 new QBs into the pool.

            So that’s 35.

            So it can reasonably be argued that Cutty will be seen by the NFL as the 36th best option, or worse.

            I think he’ll end up as a “bridge” or back-up in 2017.

            Cutler’s days as a franchise QB are over.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            JAX is hoping for a playoff team, they’ve built a solid roster but their QB sucks. Perfect spot for Cutler.

            Bills might be moving on from Taylor, especially if Rex gets fired. They too can reasonably think they’re a solid QB away from the playoffs.

            Tannehill and Cousins likely aren’t leaving, but if they do, both of those teams can reasonably say they’re a Cutler-level QB away from being a playoff squad.

            I’m sure Houston would love to dump Osweiler and upgrade to Cutler for the same money, but his deal guarantees him through 2017, so no dice there.

            Glennon, Hoyer will not be anywhere near as desired as Cutler, at least for a team looking for a starter, not a guy to mentor/compete with a rookie. Romo is better than Cutler, but I don’t think he’s ever playing in the NFL again.

            Only a few spots, but there are teams I could see being interested.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Hoyer is already more desired than Cutler – by the Bears!

            Heck, POX might prefer Shaw over Cutler.

            And Bortles is a younger Cutler. If he hits the market, a team would
            prob prefer him over Cutler thinking they can “fix” his mechanics with a
            good OC (oh, deja vu!) Jags aren’t gonna dump a younger cheaper turnover machine for an older more expensive broken down turnover machine

            I can’t envision other teams saying, “Yeah, give me some of that $16M Cutty who was benched for Hoyer”.

            I can envision many more teams saying, ‘Ok, we’ll roll the dice on a franchise QB, and Cutler will be our plan B in the meantime with a Chase Daniel-esque contract’.

            The only viable options would be Browns and 9ers, who will likely draft a new QB.
            Jets maybe, but Forte and Bmarsh over there complicates matters (and they’re still trying out Petty and Hackenburg).

            I hope a team does want Cutty, esp for two 2nds like in that Alex Smith deal, but two 2nds AND paying Cutler $15M per year?

            Doubt it.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Hoyer is nothing more than a bridge to the future. He’s not somebody you think you can win with. He’s a guy who won’t completely suck in case your rookie bombs.

            Somebody trading for Cutler would be doing so in lieu of drafting a rookie because they think they can win now with Cutler.

            KC traded for Smith and gave him a market-level deal. The $$ is not prohibitive at all.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hypothetical questions leave out a million variables.

            Scenario: Blake Bortles breaks his leg horribly.

            Cutler gets us a first from JAX.

            Any one of 32 QBs could have their careers ended at any time.

            Cutler gets us a first, once he is traded. The media will think it impossible.

          • CanadaBear

            I called Jay a stiff, not the contract. Cutler is much older than Smith when he moved on. I’m guessing 99 people out of 100 would prefer Smith at QB. We’ll see in the off season. Hope you’re correct.

    • MB30SD

      You want cutler to be a mentor?!?!

      “Ok kid… Here’s how you throw the perfect int at the best time!

      Oh oh, and let me show you exactly how to pull off the perfectly placed soul crushing strip sack for 6 the other way…”

      • Irish Sweetness

        Moreso than Hoyer. Young learned from McMahon and Montana. Rodgers from Favre etc.

        Cutty is an eleven year starter who has a lot to share. I’d keep him.

        • MB30SD

          CUT. HIM.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Instead of trading him? I think a first could be had. Certainly a second.

          • MB30SD

            sure, it we can get it. I’ll take whatever the market gives

  • Adam Truelove

    but if he’s wrong…the Bears will be set back as a franchise for several years

    So then nothing changes. We’ve gone nowhere since 2006. I’m not sure how you can be set back when your team never makes the playoffs.

    • Irish Sweetness

      This.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      absolutely!!! Besides you can’t worry about being wrong, when you have sucked. Also not sure Pace would know longer be the GM based on that 1 pick. So far I would say his 2 drafts have been pretty successful, even with the injury issues. 3 starters from this years draft and 2 from last year, and all other draft picks look like solid contributors with only 1 pick that is no longer with the team

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        find me the last GM who went all-in on a rookie QB, whiffed, and didn’t lose his job.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          Arizona Rod Graves drafted Leinart in 2006. Graves lasted till 2012

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Good find. He had that because of Kurt Warner. So the placeholder he hedged his bets with was a former MVP who re-discovered his form.

            That’s not Hoyer.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Da Destroya will save us!

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Better and more recent example, Vikings Rick Spielman drafted Ponder in 2011. he is still GM in Minn.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      We’ve seen this team be good with Cutler before. I think they’re headed that way in 2017-18, if they decide to keep him around.

      If they move on and use his money elsewhere, then hit on a rookie QB, they’re in a fantastic position. Highest ceiling move. Like SEA/SF when they had Kap/Wilson on rookie deals. Can make the rest of the roster be absolutely loaded and be really good in probably 2018, after a promising 2017 rookie QB year makes FA want to sign short-term deals for a SB run.

      If they move on and whiff, they’re gonna suck for 2-3 years, no matter how good the rest of the roster is. Great roster + bad QB can maybe equal 8-8 or 9-7 in a bad division. We’ve seen that before, like with HOU the last few years.

      I’m not gonna complain if they swing for the fences, but I’m also aware of the stakes. I think my personal preference would be a rd 2 QB and keep Cutler. Guessing it’s more likely they go round 1 + Hoyer. Time will tell.

      • BerwynBomber

        “If they move on and whiff, they’re gonna suck for 2-3 years, no matter how good the rest of the roster is.”

        Nah, you can still win with a bridge guy. DEN won the SB last year with the worst QB in the league. We have won in our past with the likes of Grossman, Orton and Miller.

        An elite QB always gives u a puncher’s chance, and therefore certainly increases your odds, but the Trent Dilfer scenario still exists.

      • Irish Sweetness

        They were good last week!

  • Huge Bears Penis

    First thought was this is way to analytical to be Jeff’s writing. I started to worry that maybe Jeff took a hit to the head and was concussed. It took me awhile to notice the caption on the photo. Well done Data.

  • BearDown100393

    Connor Shaw will be the answer to all problems.

    • willbest

      You found a case of 2017 koolaid mixed in with your 2016 koolaid I see.

      • BearDown100393

        Super Bowl in 2017.

        • MB30SD

          What about this year?!?!

          • BearDown100393

            Absolutely. Running the table.

    • Irish Sweetness

      He might well be the answer. Draft a guy. If we have two good competitive QBs .. then that’s what you want. Sweet.

  • MB30SD

    Data, tell Jeff you need better billing.

    Good piece. So then the 64k question is…. Who we got coming out that you like? Who are your top 3 guys… Have you looked?

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      I am overloaded with my teaching load this semester. I’ve watched 1 NU game (my team) and basically no other college football. I didn’t even have time to watch the Bears’ game last Sunday except a 15 minute lunch break at the end of the 1st half (and no way in hell I’m gonna re-watch it now, knowing the shit-fest it is), though I’ve caught all the rest of their games.

      So I am extremely unqualified to render an opinion here and thus will refrain.

      • MB30SD

        Got it.

        And keep truckin!

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          kind of wrapping up now. Have most of next week off, then just 1 week and finals. Then a month off (YAAAAAAAAAAA).

          The end is in sight!

      • AlbertInTucson

        “…no way in hell I’m gonna re-watch it now…”

        Showing your wisdom, once again.

  • BerwynBomber

    Cutler’s TO vs. productivity ratios arguably trump his durability issues.

    In terms of the two options listed, a third might also be in play, which is cut/trade Cutler, sign a Foles or Glennon, keep Hoyer and Shaw and have the three compete for the two QB roster spots on the 53 while targeting 2018 draft as the Bears QB draft (though this option would only become a reality if there is no QB that Pace likes in the ’17 draft and the franchise is deadset on cutting ties with Cutler).

    • MB30SD

      You’re forgetting the other major factor… Weekend at Bernie’s.

      I want that useless fuck gone today. I was one of his biggest proponents, but he’s obviously already retired and gives this many fucks. Cut him TODAY and replace with Fangio. Why not, how can it be any worse?!

  • Huge Bears Penis

    Kind of surprised that Data’s “followers” have not yet ascended from the depths of the internet to grace us with their brilliant insights.

    • CanadaBear

      Maybe it’s because Jeff’s byline is at the top. After 1 paragraph I knew it was JW and not Jeff.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        I went and checked the previous articles Data wrote and Jeff’s byline is at the top of those.

        • CanadaBear

          Never noticed that before. Oh well, it is Jeff’s site.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        At first I thought Andy, but didn’t know Data was allowed back after the troll-fest!

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      No Twitter publicity yet. That’s how they would hear about it.

  • SC Dave

    What what it’s worth, here’s a few more (round/overall pick):

    2010
    Bradford (1/1), Tebow (1/25), Clausen (2/48), Colt McCoy (3/85)

    2009
    Stafford (1/1), Sanchez (1/5), Josh Freeman (1/17), Pat White (2/44), McGee (4/101)

    2008
    Ryan (1/3), Flacco (1/18), Brohm (2/26), Henne (2/57), … Matt Flynn (7/209)

    2007
    J. Russell (1/1), Quinn (1/22), Kolb (2/36), Beck (2/40), Stanton (2/43)

    2006
    V. Young (1/3), Leinart (1/10), Cutler (1/11), Clemens (2/49), Tavaris Jackson (2/64)

    • BerwynBomber

      Looks like 2007 was a particularly ugly year for the QB draft.

    • MB30SD

      Yeesh… Man, talk about needle in the haystack

      • BerwynBomber

        But my bet is that’s true of most positions in the league when it comes to draft success.

        • MB30SD

          Nah, qb is much much harder to play. Takes a special guy. Kam Chancellors can be found in the 5+ a helluva lot more than bradys

          • BerwynBomber

            True, but there are also more chances for a Kam Chancellor to play. There are no 3rd down specialists or rotation guys at the QB position. Plus, it’s only constitutes one spot in the lineup.

          • MB30SD

            See Will’s analysis above

        • willbest

          Its a numbers game at every other position though. You need 3 starting CBs so the top 96 are theoretically all going to have a job. So even if they aren’t in the top 50 but serviceable you are going to get value on the spot. There is only 1 QB, and they are exceptionally important, meaning you its a lot harder to scheme around them.

          • MB30SD

            Thanks I didn’t feel like typing the entire equation out

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, that’s basically what I said below in regard to MB. It’s easier to find playing time at most other positions than QB, but I bet if you were breaking down odds of hit or misses, the numbers might not vary that much from position to position in the draft.

          • Chi town

            I prefer keeping Hoyer and Shaw, drafting QB in 2nd round (Kaaya is who Pace loves) and taking Cutler’s money and getting us LT or Safety. Pace should stick to his homerun type of pick in the 1st…. hopefully on D.
            I’m also good with trading back from top (like Eagles) and draft two guys in the secondary in the 1st.

          • MB30SD

            Hmmmm….

          • CanadaBear

            I’m good with all that except the home run picks in the first. That’s fine if the team is already good and they are trying for the next level. The Bears are so awful I’m much happier with a safe pick. Whatever that is!!!!!!!!!!

          • BerwynBomber

            “Kaaya is who Pace loves”

            Curious: how do you know that?

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            I think I read an article that said Pace was at one of his games, and some ‘rumors’ speculated he likes him.

            I also heard Gere put a gerbil up his butt.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            That Gere rumor is true. My cousin’s brother-in-law’s podiatrist’s son’s friend was working at the pet store and sold him the gerbil. He said Gere told him what he was going to do with it, freaked him out a bit but still sold it to him for the sales commission.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I used to breed gerbils for money when I was a kid. Not that the myth is true .. .but you don’t want even a single gerbil up around there.

            Aside: You need to feed a nursing mother A LOT of food … or she’ll eat her children, leaving only the little skulls.

          • Chi town

            This is what a MIA staffer has said. Pace has been at his last few games.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Anyone watch him?

      • willbest

        Its a lottery, even if you are drafting #1

        • Irish Sweetness

          I don’t think it’s a lottery if you have a guy who can spot a decent QB.

          Dak Prescott was passed on by everybody at least twice. Was he that much of a revelation … or a product of the #1 OL? I don’t see him putting up any fantasy numbers. He’s Alex Smith in that respect.

          • willbest

            Dak was passed on every team 3 times. Ergo no team spotted him. If your scout comes to you and bets his life on Dak, you take him in the 2nd.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      I didn’t want to go too far back because I think the evaluation has changed a bit recently as the NFL shifts more towards college-style offenses (and colleges continue to shift their offenses).

      There was a time (most of the 2000-10 decade, IMO), when teams placed such a priority on a QB playing in a pro-style offense in college. Now they’ve shifted more to adapting the NFL offense to what a good QB does well, which makes so much more sense.

      • SC Dave

        I assumed you had your reasons, but my opinion is that things have not changed very much.

        Smart coaches adapt to optimize the talents of the entire roster. Granted, the rules changes have made the QB position hyper-overvalued, but its still true.

        And the other guys on the team have to be able to adapt.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        SOME teams don’t value a QB playing in an NFL style offense in college.

        Other teams heavily favor it.

        Just depends on the GM/scouts.

        Have no idea which Pace is, and he’s not about to tell us either.

        Given that he likes upside athletes in the 1st, and he’s young, wouldn’t surprise me if he goes with that read option stud.

        However, he did bring in Hoyer, and came from NO with Brees, while Birdcage has shown no penchant for read options, bootlegs, or moving the pocket in general, so may not go with that type of QB.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I dunno. I like the philosophy of attempting to build a strong OL and DL. Only a really shitty QB can’t survive in that environment.

        • Sactowns#1

          Amen!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Jamarcus Russell.

      • Sactowns#1

        RIP

    • Irish Sweetness

      Kizer looks like a safer pick than those names. Trade-up. All-in.

  • CanadaBear

    Here’s a dilemma, who do you dislike more, Bill Simmons or Chris Collnsworth? If it’s Bill Simmons, you’ll like the link.

    http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/11/14/cris-collinsworth-twitter-exchange-bill-simmons-burn

    • MB30SD

      I don’t watch bball, so has to be that goofy turkey-necked dickbag collinsworth.

      That said, he fucked Simmons UPPPPPP!!!

      • CanadaBear

        He burned Simmons pretty good. Not like Simmons doesn’t have it coming. Both guys think way more highly of themselves than anyone else thinks of them.

        • MB30SD

          Exactly

    • AlbertInTucson

      For me it’s no contest. Simmons in a walk.

  • Chi town

    BTW, I think if you are top 5 and Kizer is there you have to take him.

    I’d be happy with Kaaya, Watson, or Trubinski in the 2nd but I think only Kaaya will be there.

    • Irish Sweetness

      It’s Kizer or no dice for me. There’s a couple of QBs that look good for the next draft in 2018. If me miss on Kizer, keep Cutty for next season and then hope he drives us into the ground for a top pick.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        You STILL want Cutler after this past game?

        DId you not read my letter to remaining Cutlerites from the last thread?

        Fuck him. IN.THE.FACE.

        Want NO part of him.

  • CanadaBear

    I’ve read a few times that Kevin White was coming on when he went down. Really? Also, Marquess Wilson is panned pretty regularly on here. Their stat lines are similar but Wilson has shown more. Not saying Q is all that. Just trying to point out that White really wasn’t coming on, he was just improving from a pretty low starting point. White’s last game stat line, 6 recs/55 yds, or even the game before 6 recs/62 yds. Both games the avg per completed pass was between 9-10 yds. Q’s second season he had 17 recs/140 yds for 8,2 yds per completed pass. Q’s 3rd season 28 recs/464 yds and 16.6 yd avg per completed pass. Nothing to shout about but OK for a late rounder.

    I truly hope White becomes the WR we all hoped when he was drafted. History says otherwise. The only other top 10 drafted WR’s to miss that much time in their first two years never amounted to much. DAMN.

    • BearDown100393

      Kevin White will have a Pro Bowl year next season.

      • CanadaBear

        I hope you’re correct!

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Hope as in, “yeah, sure” or hope as in “it’s gonna happen”?

          • CanadaBear

            Somewhere in between. I highly doubt it but who knows? I truly do hope he’s correct. The Bears could use a little good luck at some point.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I’ve written him off already. I see him as a question mark. If I’m the coach, he’s now an afterthought.

          • CanadaBear

            Me too. If he comes back and is great, awesome. If not, just one more sad chapter in Bears draft history.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        HoF!!!

      • Huge Bears Penis

        that’s going to be awesome 2 PB WRs next season – BRAVERMAN!!!!

      • SC Dave

        No, he won’t.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Not with fucking Brian Hoyer at QB.

          Jordan Howard would though. Hoyer was either handing it off to him, or throwing it to him. People mistook our offensive productive spike for Hoyer, when it was Howard. Everything moved through Howard.

          • Sactowns#1

            Howard to QB in the wildcat?

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Why not?

            Meredith had back to back 100 yd games with Hoyer under center.

            Under Cutler. SHIT (unless you count that hail mary)

      • AlbertInTucson

        He’ll be lucky to have a “Next Year”.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

      Kevin White seemed to be improving, but he still wasn’t looking explosive. Hoyer was targeting him (at the expensive of Alshon) and White did begin catching them.

      Then White went down, and Meredith got those targets and looked much more dangerous.

      But gotta remember that this was essentially White’s rookie year, playing with a rod in his leg now, and with two diff QBs.

      Gotta wait and see still methinks.

      My fear is that rod has sapped all his explosiveness which would mean he becomes nothing more than a possession receiver who’s not known for route running. Not exactly a good combo.

      • SC Dave

        White caught 52.8% of his targets. That will never cut it.

      • CanadaBear

        Improving from 0 isn’t all that impressive. Two serious leg injuries in two years. Really doubt he ends up more than JAG.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Ah C-Bear. When was Marquess Wilson statistically our best receiver? When has he shown anything? Cutty ignored Meredith on his return. He’s our best receiver in the regular season and pre-season. Hands down. Wilson has yet to have his coming out party, if he ever does. And for a 7th round pick I never much cared. He might be our 5th best receiver.

      • CanadaBear

        Says the same guy who was in love with Aromashadu and Brandon Rideau.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

          Shadu!

    • AlbertInTucson

      I , for one, never thought White was “coming on”. I never saw anything that said “4.3 in the 40”.
      I thought his running looked labored and he wasn’t drafted to average less than 10 yards a catch.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    So in other words, go high or stay home. It makes sense why the Bears haven’t seriously gone after the position agressively. Good work Data.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      I think the biggest lesson from this is to avoid reaching in round 1 for a 2nd-tier QB just out of desperation. That’s the worst possible thing you can do.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        Is there a Wentz type QB to trade up for in the next class?

        Meaning, a prospect with prototypical size, arm strength, who came from an semi-NFL system
        (not read-option, Ducks crap)?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Carson fkn Wentz? Jury is out on that boy.

          • BerwynBomber

            He’ll be fine. First year growing pains. Plus, he’s still winning games.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Jury is not out on a lot of read-option/spread QBs though.

            Personally, I prefer QBs who came from real NFL type systems, who huddled up and didn’t get plays from the sideline with big daffy duck cards.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          I have no idea. People have thrown out names (Kizer, Kaaya, Watson jump to mind), but I have no clue how good any of them actually are.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Derek Carr was a 2nd rounder.

            Prescott was, what? 5th?

            But Prescott gets dropped into a situation that includes Zeke Elliott, Bryant, Whiton and Beasley behind the best O-line in the NFL,

  • Weed Superman (GP)

    What teams should want Cutler. What teams should stay away:

    http://theinscribermag.com/sports/chicago-bears-time-move-jay-cutler.html

    • CanadaBear

      Without clicking the link my answer would be none and all. After reading the link, I’m sticking with my initial response.

      • MB30SD

        hahahaha, you and I have ended up at the same place canada. funny… through my tears

        • CanadaBear

          I think we’re both more alike than either realize.

          • Sactowns#1

            Get a room you two.

          • CanadaBear

            Threesome, perhaps?

          • Sactowns#1

            Why stop at three? https://youtu.be/3rkAjnFB1g4

          • CanadaBear

            That’s just cheap and tawdry!

          • Sactowns#1

            You leave my girlfriends out of this!

  • BerwynBomber

    Weird, bad year for the NFCN. DET leads the division and controls its own destiny (w/ a shaky D). MIN has lost four straight and there once SEA-like D just got torched by Cousins. Rodgers continues to look mortal up in GB, their D is atrocious and McCarthy might be on the way out. And we are … well, we’re 2-7.

    • CanadaBear

      If ever there was a chance for a miracle year to get to the playoffs, this was it. Oh well.

  • Scharfinator

    O_o so much detailed analysis! WHAT BLOG IS THIS!!!

    Love the article, good write up!

  • Bender McLugh

    Nicely done, Data.

    Trade back to get 2 firsts and grab a QB with the 2nd round pick.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      from what I hear, there are a couple franchise-changing pass rushers in this years’ draft. If they have a shot at one of those guys, there is no way I’d trade back. I’d take one in a heartbeat (assuming they’re not drafting QB in round 1).

      I haven’t done any personal watching/scouting, but people I trust who have all say Myles Garrett is an absolute beast. He’d fit in beautifully on that DL next to Goldman and Hicks to give Chicago one of the best front 7s in the NFL.

      • MB30SD

        I’m in

      • Bender McLugh

        well hell yes, I’m all for that.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The number one pass-rush guy has a name I cannot and will not remember, but I hear he’s a game-changer.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

          It’s Garret.

          I posted his highlights in the last thread, and he is a beast

          “Experts” have said he’s the most dominant pass rusher since Suh and Von Miller.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I shall be calling him Myles Barret. Or Keith Jarret, top piano guy.

      • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

        I’m in.

    • Irish Sweetness

      GAH! Why would we not take the #1 dude? Then draft his left tackle, or draft that pass-rusher and then draft OT in the second … or if you have huge hairy Irish balls you trade back into the first and grab the best tackle. Push all-in. Thirty years of losing. Fuck it.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    Vikings just cut Blair Walsh.

    Pace should absolutely pick him up and give him every chance to fix his struggles in Chicago. He’s exactly the type of younger, high-upside kicker they should be using this year to try and find.

    But they won’t.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Yes. I,too. would roll the dice on Walsh.

      As is, he’s at least as reliable as Barf.

      • Bender McLugh

        he’s got to be better

        • MB30SD

          my cack is better.

          btw, did you see robbie nail a few last night. Douche still can barley get a kickoff to the 5. smh.

          • Bender McLugh

            missed it, but that’s not a surprise. I just want Barth gone, even though he DID sneak that 53 yarder last game.

          • MB30SD

            meh, start over next year. this year is beyond toast

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            which is why you use the meaningless games this year to hope you can find your kicker for the future.

            Walsh might be. Barth isn’t.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Barth just made a 53 yarder though.

            I think Blair needs a lil time away get his head straight.

            In the meanwhile, see if Barth 53 yarder was an anomoly or not.

            Remember, Gould at one point wasn’t known as a long kicker, but he improved and hit his stride for a good 2-3 years.

            Kickers can lose their swing, but they can also find it.

            Maybe Barth found his.

            I would give him 2-3 weeks (doubt anyone’s gonna touch Blair much like no one touched Robbie until the Gmen absolutely needed him after that whole fiasco) and if he continues to suck, bring in Walsh.

          • Bender McLugh

            eash…..he barely squeeked that thing over the cross-bar man, but I get your point. I thought Walsh had more leg than Barth, but that’s just going on memory and I really don’t care enough to look it up. And so the season goes…

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            I don’t think anyone is going to swoop in on Blair after how horribly he’s been kicking.

            So for me it’s sorta two for one.

            If we get Blair right away and he still sucks, then we’re fucked again.

          • Bender McLugh

            fucked all the way to the top, baby

          • Irish Sweetness

            54 !

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I read a piece suggesting that’s better for the kicking team than touchbacks. Better field position for defences. It makes sense.

          • MB30SD

            it’s ALL they do. smh

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    • Irish Sweetness

      Walsh has looked very shaky recently. I like the idea of older vet kickers. They don’t think about their kicks so much, and less goes wrong. Probably.

  • Bernie Cohen

    This whole Bear’s organization could screw up a wet dream. Can’t draft worth $h!+. Free agents? Forget about it.

  • MB30SD
  • AlbertInTucson

    This week Conte.

    Next week, Robbie get’s a chance to stick it to the Bears.

    Game is in Jersey, though.

  • Irish Sweetness

    So good luck to Kyle Long. Tough break. Warrior.

    A big Fuck-You to Alshon Jeffrey – a cheat and a bum, and I never bought into him. Get thee hence.

    Cam was our de Facto #1 anyway, so IF Kevin steps up next season .. .we still need to draft a receiver methinks.

    • Malice Halice

      Solid TE I feel can compliment our top 3 WR’s. Obviously Alshon ain’t gettin a fat check, he fucked himself. But I feel a jordan reed/T eifert could be that stitching we need. QB hands down 6:30

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        I don’t think Alshon really fucked himself.

        Plenty of top end FAs who’ve been suspended for PEDs, or whatever else, still demand top $.

        This was only Alshon’s first “red flag”. I doubt it makes much of a difference.

        Maybe they put in a lil clause about substance abuse/peds, but that’s about it.

        In the NFL, talent trumps everything.

        You can even whip your kids balls with a tree branch and still get paid.

        • willbest

          I think worst case for Jeffery is he makes less guaranteed/smaller signing bonus. Maybe it costs him 250-500k a year.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            That’s what I was thinking. Maybe a few 100K at most.

            A lot for normal folk, but chump change to them.

            My bigger question is if Alshon WANTS to stay, and if so, if he’ll give a reasonable ‘home town discount’ meaning, he won’t overcharge.

          • CanadaBear

            I doubt he wants to stay. He’s from the South and everything I’ve ever read, he’s a small-town kinda guy. The Bears stink on ice and obviously don’t value him as highly as Alshon and his agent. No way he’s giving the Beloved a discount. Pretty sure he’s gone.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Esp if Cutler is gone.

            They might end up on same team.

            Cutler might blow as a QB, but if you’re a WR and get targeted like that, that’s a dream.

          • SC Dave

            If I were Alshon, I’d relish playing for a QB that can throw accurately downfield. He’s never had that in Chicago.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            That’s true, but not many teams air it out any more.

            Cards would be a nice fit, esp since Floyd sucks, and Fitz contemplating retirement.

            Though, Palmer has really been struggling as of late too.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Asking for a brand-spanking new, second contract … with his CV …. got to be per-game basis or no deal.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Apparently Zack Miller hasn’t dropped a ball since 2010.

        • Malice Halice

          Don’t feel like it tho.

    • SC Dave

      We keep Alshon, despite some weird fantasy about Meredith.

      • Irish Sweetness

        You give him a contract after that?

        • EnderWiggin

          Yeah, if you can lock him up for 3-5 years – pull the trigger.

        • CanadaBear

          How many times have you seen a PED suspension and it’s always some supplement. It’s like the dog ate my homework. Teams don’t care as long as they don’t get suspended again. I’m guessing the Bears bean counters are doing cartwheels over saving $3.5 mil this year.

          • Weed Superman (GP)

            Rectal vaseline.

        • SC Dave

          Absofuckinglutely.

  • Irish Sweetness

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2017.php

    Myles Garret is the name that keeps escaping me. First pick by Walterfootball. My man Kizer is #2.

    Looks like we would indeed have to trade Cutty to move up. They have us drafting Trubisky. Bueller?

    Here he is. Doesn’t throw interceptions apparently. Is this the Bears next QB?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF-55Ay3fDM

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

    I brought this up last thread, but can we trade up and draft the top QB if FOX is still coach?

    Wouldn’t that essentially mean 3 more years of Fox?

    Do we want that?

    I think if we go the all-in route, then we go all in and hire a new HC with whomever he wants.

    • willbest

      I hate the idea of letting Fox train a QB. Unless you hire an OC under the assumption that in 2018 that OC is going to be your head coach. But even then I think that seriously kneecaps Fox’s ability to run the locker room in 2017. So its got to be something that only the OC, Pace, George, Ted, and Fox know about.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I don’t see Fox as being a reason for losing. A combination of players (mostly their fault) and OCs.
      If the OL was strong, we’d be okay, and nobody would be on Fox’ back. The OL is down to Mr. Pace. The talent is down to him. Fox can’t polish turds into diamonds.

      • MB30SD

        sigh. why are we seeing such different things mate? why?

        • SC Dave

          He views from an eastern (dare I say) slant.

          • SC Dave

            Yeah, I was going to change it to point of view, but I wanted to do a little triggering and violate a safe space or two

          • MB30SD

            I see what you did there

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            racist!

          • MB30SD

            Yes

      • Sactowns#1

        Watch this team in the first half of games and then watch them in the second half. no adjustments and flat out getting skunked.

        • Bender McLugh

          that I would put on the coaching, I don’t know how that’s on the players only (not saying you are saying that, no what I’m sayin?)

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        You think the Oline sucks?

        You like Whitehair.

        Sitton is an all-pro. Long a stud, and Larsen/Kush pushed around that Vike’s D.

        Leno has proven more than serviceable. I would even say he’s above avg and good.

        That leaves Massie, which we can upgrade, but we did get Adams as insurance.

        When Hoyer was in, Howard became a stud, sacks were down.

        Our Oline is NOT the problem.

        It’s by far the best in the NFCN, and when healthy, I would argue a top 5 in the NFC.

        Howard isn’t getting those yards cuz he’s a transcendent talent. He’s good, but that Oline helps a lot.

        • Jokey

          I don’t agree with the top 5 statement, but it is true that Howard has gotten a lot more lanes to run through than Langford. Also true is his YAC is way better, so it’s partly him too.

          • SC Dave

            Langford yac was DEAD LAST in the NFL for qualifying players last year.

          • MB30SD

            would be interesting to see what he and howard can do as a dynamic duo now that our oline has somewhat solidified… no?

          • CanadaBear

            That’s including the screen he took to the house that was about 85 yds. I knew it was bad but not that bad.

        • MB30SD

          please god change your avatar already

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Neva!

            I’m going to keep it as a permanent reminder for the next time someone tries to defend Cutler.

            It’ll save me a lot of typing.

            Next time a sucker relapses and begins saying, “oh redzone conversions, 50 yd bombs”

            The Condor will just fly by to snap them back to reality.

        • SC Dave

          Howard is actually very good. If Langford were running, the praise for the line would be muted.

          But, I agree that the oline has become, in s mere year, a strength of the team. And once Massie is a backup or gone, tbey will be excellent.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Howard has def looked superior to Langford, esp those yds after contact.

            But Carey has looked good too behind that Oline. even Jizz when he was around, and the pocket looks relatively clean when the ball is out in 3-5 steps.

            Like you said, once Massie is gone, should be a real strength going forward.

            (If Kush brings it, maybe Long back to RT)

            Irish is sipping too many Mai Thais

      • CanadaBear

        The only thing Fox polishes is knobs in the front office.

  • willbest

    Don’t know if it has been mentioned but they are bringing Goff out to play this week.

    • MB30SD

      Bring out the gimp

      • willbest

        I am curious how 10 weeks of clipboard holding, and NFL practices compares relative to throwing a person out there. I think Rodgers probably benefited from sitting behind Farve

        • BerwynBomber

          Nah, toss him in the deep end. GB lost a few years of Rodgers’ career due to Favre, though of course it is more excusable when you’re caddying for another legend.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Probably because the owner told Jeff Fisher

      “If Goff is on the sidelines this week, YOU won’t be!”

  • MB30SD

    Jake Browning anyone… but he’s only a sophomore.

    http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3886812/jake-browning

    • Bender McLugh

      35-5 TD-INT, with 18 sacks. Not shabby

    • BerwynBomber

      Sees the field like a wily pro. Size and arm strength I have no idea.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If you looked at a weedy Joe Montana …. would you draft him?

        Never saw anyone do it better. I just hope Pace knows what a QB looks like. He hasn’t seen that many, which is why the rest of us don’t piss our pants looking at Andrew Luck or Carson Wentz.

    • AlbertInTucson

      He looked quite mortal against USC last Saturday.

      Plus, I believe he’s just a redshirt sophomore

      • MB30SD

        he is Al. one game a man doth not make

        • AlbertInTucson

          The knock has been that when he moves up against big boy competition, he struggles.

          That’s what played out Saturday.

          It’s moot at this point since I don’t think he’s going into the ’17 draft.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Scenario:

    Trade Cutty. Draft QB. Pay Tony Romo $10M to play for a year or two.

    Tony won’t want second fiddle in Dallas.

    • willbest

      Tony won’t take $10 million. Tony will take $20 million, and disclaim his back

      • willbest

        oh and Tony will probably want $40 million in guarantees (save for his back)

    • CanadaBear

      Does Romo know that Cam Meredith is the Bears #1 WR?

      • Irish Sweetness

        He was always the Bears #1.

        • CanadaBear

          Sure, you betcha!

          • MB30SD

            smh

      • MB30SD

        tony romo?!?! You mean the 35 yr old who’s broken his back like 4 times?!

        THAT tony romo??!?!

        SMH

  • Weed Superman (GP)

    Jay Cutler was supposed to tell Alshon about the upcoming drug test, but the note ended up in Charles Woodson’s locker.

    BOOM!

  • Weed Superman (GP)

    69 of the 112 arrested rioters in Portland didn’t even bother to vote:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/people-arrested-portland-trump-protests-didn-vote-article-1.2874408

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Phony protestors or paid actors? Take your pick.

      • SC Dave

        .

        • MB30SD

          • SC Dave

            Damn phone does weird shit where kbd stops working.

          • SC Dave

            What I wanted to say was “the latter”, since respectable people went home days ago.

            These are change. org mercenaries and other malcontents picking up some bonus cash to go with their welfare checks.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            ++

      • Huge Bears Penis

        my guess is bored homeless people. That city is crawling with vagrants.

    • Irish Sweetness

      There should be a box saying “I refuse on principle to accept either of these candidates. Record those votes and see how many people think the system is broken.

  • Huge Bears Penis
  • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

    Von Miller sex tape exists. He joins a long line of internet sluts like Kim, Paris Pippi Longstocking and Michelle Pfeiffer’s sister.

    • MB30SD

      I can only hope to reach the pinnacle of fame… so as to have anyone give a rat’s ass about one of my sex tapes

      • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

        You’re no one until somebody loves you…..or blows you on a cell phone camera and tries to extort you for 2.5million.

        • MB30SD

          exactly!

        • Weed Superman (GP)

          Grab Kaaya’s cell phone now.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        It’s all about the 45degree angle bend

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

      I wonder if he wears those stupid ass glasses and bow tie in the sex tape

      • MB30SD

        I bet you wonder if he does (NTTAWWT)

  • willbest

    Denver passed an ordinance allowing bars and restaurants to apply for a bring your own pot license. I asked a buddy of mine in the Denver area if that also means they are bringing back tobacco to which he responded: “Of course not, that shit will kill you”

    • Bender McLugh

      Precisely

    • SC Dave

      Lol… mutton heads

  • BerwynBomber

    Any news on what Long’s “severe right ankle injury” actually is?

    • willbest

      I don’t know, but I am having Jordan Mills level anxiety on this one. Promising kid cut down by a bum foot.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

    Sutton down. And didn’t Goldman get hurt again? Along with Long and Alshon, what a nightmare Sun.

    Bears placed DT Will Sutton on injured reserve with an ankle injury, ending his season.

    Sutton went down in Sunday’s loss to the Bears. Sutton has had a strong year as a run stopper. It’s a big loss for a defense that’sgenerally overachieved this season. A 2014 third-rounder, 2017 will be the final year of Sutton’s rookie contract. – Roto

    • CanadaBear

      Gotta love Roto! “Sutton has had a strong year as a run stopper.” He’s has 8 tackles this year in 8 games along with 7 assists. How will they ever replace that production?

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

    Dude, we GOT to get this guy. We’re a 2 win team with a garbage QB. Can’t be picky. Hill got suspended for weed, which is no biggie in my book. Sign him to a 2 year min vet deal.

    Free agent S Will Hill’s 10-game suspension for violating the league’s substance-abuse policy has ended.

    Still somehow only 26, Hill is an extremely talented player, but hasn’t been able to stay off the suspended list. He’s going to have to convince teams he’s changed to get a fourth, fifth or whatever chance he’s on now. – Roto

    • MB30SD

      I’m all in

      • Weed Superman (GP)

        thug a dug dug, three thugs in a scrug

        • MB30SD

          I’ll buy that for a dollar!

          My three thugs would be:
          1. Honey badger
          2. Burfict
          3. I’ll pour one out for my homie hill… For some mojo that we’ll take a flier on him

    • BerwynBomber

      Don’t know him but seen you guys mention him frequently here.

      Anyway, I’m for it by default as our only secondary I wouldn’t wish to displace is Callahan. (Though I’m still mildly intrigued by Fuller if he could ever get back on the field.)

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        He’s a S, and a playmaking one at that, which we desperately need.

        He tends to be healthy. Can lay the wood too.

        Was good for two teams, the Ravens and Gmen, who typically have their shit together.

        He might be best known for this ironically

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBkjOrYv1Gk

        • BerwynBomber

          You know who’s starting to look like the shit? Landon Collins. And he went 33rd in the ’15 draft.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            The knock on him was that he couldn’t cover. That he was an in the box S like Amos.

            There’s also some bias against Alabama RB/S

            Most of those S play behind dominant lines, so the knock is that they’re free to roam.

            Some truth to that as a lot of Alabama safeties have busted in the past, but Collins is looking to buck that trend.

            Think the Gmen moved up for him at the top of the 2nd.

          • BerwynBomber

            I liked Peters (CB/KC) in the draft, so I got that one right. Wasn’t as high on Waynes who went earlier than Peters, but he is getting snaps now for MIN, maybe even starting.

            Peters and Collins might be Pro Bowlers.

        • MB30SD

          DAMN!!! he fucked that dude UP!

          YES please

    • Irish Sweetness

      The crime that’s not a crime. Sounds like a bargain. Kick the tires on him for sure.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Second half against Tampa – “two yards on 12 plays while going three-and-out on four straight possessions” from our Larry. Holy Schneikies.

    In another of the letters that he writes to himself …. Trubisky is the only QB rated in the top 25 picks by ESPN’s Mel Kiper at #13.

    Maybe we should look at Shaw for a year, and trade Cutty for a 2018 pick.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Christine Michael just got waived by the Hawks. I’d jump on that like a thing you jump on.

    • MB30SD

      Really, our 24th rb? Is everyone hurt now?

  • Daniel Maas

    This year’s draft is brutally weak when it comes tonfl quarterback prospects. Bears need to accept that and go for Jimmy Garoppolo in NE. He has all the tools, arm strength, release speed, and most importantly the brain to be a successful franchise qb. Give them our #1 pick and Alston to finish the deal. This kid is the real deal !

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