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Ranking the Bears Training Camp Roster 60-88

| July 25th, 2016

Training camp is two weeks ago and the Bears have a number of interesting young players coming to camp who are worth getting to know.They also have a lot of players who you probably don’t need to know anything about.

At the time of this writing, the Bears only had 90 players on their roster. Then they made a slew of moves and got down to 88. To save everyone time, I did a little research on each player and ranked each player who is entering camp. You’re welcome.

88. Jarrett Grace, LB. UDFA, non-combine invite from Notre Dame. Under 100 tackles in collegiate career.

87. Derek Keaton, WR. Walk on at Georgia Southern. Six catches last year, small not athletic. Was primarily a kick returner in college.

86. Joe Sommers, TE.Β  UDFA from University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh. Good athlete, decent size. Very low level of competition and didn’t dominate there even.

85. Donovan Williams, OL. Good size. Impressed them enough during a tryout in May to earn a contract.

84. Keith Browner, DL. Played three games for Houston in 2014, but he’s 28 years old and hasn’t had an impact anywhere yet.

83. Cornelius Edison, C. Good size, signed to practice squad last year.

82. Ben LeCompte, P. I refuse to rank an undrafted rookie punter too high on this list, but the Bears did have competition for him, so that’s something.

Administrative note: Watch out for this kid.

81. De’Vante Bausby, CB. Good size and athleticism. Spent time with Kansas City last year before Bears signed last December.

80. Gannon Sinclair, TE. Big target. Undrafted in 2015, signed by Cardinals. Spent time on Bears practice squad last year.

79. Patrick Scales, LS. He struggled after the Bears signed him last year and they brought in Aaron Brewer, who played under Fox and Jeff Rodgers in Denver.

78. Paul Lasike, FB. Spent much of last season on the practice squad. Listed at close to 260 pounds and averaged nearly five yards per carry in college.

77. Adrian Bellard, OT. UDFA from Texas State. Was good in a lower level of college and drew interest from quite a few other teams, but probably a long shot to make it in the NFL.

76. Darrin Peterson, WR. Put up solid numbers at Liberty, but that’s Liberty. Decent size and athleticism, but nothing extraordinary.

75. Jason Weaver, OT. Has bounced around the league for three seasons without ever appearing in a game.

74. Martin Wallace, OT. Entered the league in 2013 and has appeared in one game.

73. Kieran Duncan, WR. Put up a 40 time of 4.25 seconds, but is small and was never really productive in college. It’ll be interesting to see if the Bears try to keep him on the practice squad to develop him.

72. Taveze Calhoun, CB. UDFA from Mississippi State. Reportedly made some plays in minicamp, but it’s always hard to tell how much stock to put into that.

71. Kevin Peterson, CB. UDFA from Oklahoma State. Was considered a draft sleeper and some people were excited about his signing. We’ll see, I guess.

70. Marquis Jackson, DL. The identical twin of Malik Jackson. Was with the Vikings in 2013 and spent a year in the Arena League. Bears tried him out and decided to sign him.

69. John Kling, OT. I may only be ranking him here because it’s his jersey number. Massive tackle, UDFA out of Buffalo. Given the competition, he could easily be the team’s primary backup tackle. But, he has to be No. 69 on this list.

68. Greg Scruggs, TE. Played one game with the Bears last year and had a sack, but now he’s moving to tight end. Probably not a good sign.

67. Terry Williams, DT. The Swamp Monster is a cult hero, but didn’t make an appearance last season.

66. Jacoby Glenn, CB. I’ve heard the Bears like Glenn, but he hasn’t been able to find his way on the field.

65. Connor Shaw, QB. Kind of small and doesn’t have a very strong arm, but he’s a scrapper. Biggest problem is that he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. Has played just two preseason games and one regular season game in his career, but Dowell Loggains spent a lot of time with him two years ago and decided to bring him in.

64. David Fales, QB. Really didn’t know what to do with him on this list. Bears kept him over Jimmy Clausen last year, but what does that mean? I originally had him behind Shaw, but I listened to Adam Jahns on the Intentional Grounding podcast say that he had heard the Bears liked Fales and he could compete with Brian Hoyer to be Cutler’s backup. Fales hasn’t been horrible in his preseason action, but he hasn’t shown the physical traits that make me believe he can ever be a starter.

63. Demontre Hurst, DB. Played a lot as an undrafted rookie two years ago, but struggled to find the field last year. Probably a long shot to make the roster given the talent the team has added in the secondary.

62. John Timu, LB. Fan favorite because of his performance in preseason last year. Racked up tackles when he got on the field at the end of last year. Good instincts, but he’s really slow and doesn’t offer much value on special teams. Barely made the roster last year and is a long shot this year.

61. Cameron Meredith, WR. He was a quarterback in college with good size and speed. Made a few big catches for them last year. It’ll be interesting to see how much he’s developed, but probably still facing an uphill battle to make the team.

60. Lamin Barrow, LB. Heading into his third year, Barrow has 15 career tackles. Fox liked him enough to bring him over from Denver, but he’s really just a special teams player.

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  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    Fear Kling Kong!

    • willbest

      I can channel my inner Irish on that one.

    • Bender McLugh

      HOLD THE PHONE. Your avitar is of Kling Kong, and not our new man Cody Whitehair?

      color me duped!

  • Scharfinator

    I’m ready for preseason and to see some of these scrubs run around. Then I may recognize some names!

  • MB30SD

    Where did tyroil smoochie wallace end up on the list?

  • BearDown100393

    Rooting for Pickles to make the Lions roster. And if all goes well, Stafford goes down and Jimmy No Points is named the starter.

    • willbest

      Yes but knowing the way we handle QB’s of his caliber he will throw 28-36 for 293 yards, and 2 TDs.

  • MB30SD

    Jesus, this thing is such a massive clusterfuck.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/sport/australia-olympics-village-kangaroo/index.html

    The mayor of Rio sounds like a classy, compassionate guy.

    • CanadaBear

      The Tour was a snoozer. At least Froome took control of the race and competed like a champ. Either Team Sky signs the best riders every year or they have a little “something extra” going on. When your domestiques are stronger than other teams captains … It reminded me of the US Postal days.

      • MB30SD

        jes. maybe both.

        Ahhhh, dem were the days.

        • CanadaBear

          Pretty sure Sky is juicing. Lemond is starting to say the same thing. I read an article about him debunking Sky’s “marginal gains”. I’m sure they aren’t the only ones, like US Postal, they just have the most money/best drugs/best doctors, etc. Overall it doesn’t bother me much as long as Froome rides like a champ.

          • Irish Sweetness

            As Nate Diaz might opine …”They’re all on steroids.”

    • willbest

      Well maybe if an entire Olympic team dies the IOC will get it through its head that perhaps using first world countries that want to use existing infrastructure is the way to go. And they really ought to commit to finding an affordable Olympic arena since the thing has zero uses the rest of the year. Something that can either be disassembled and reassembled and travel from country to country, or at least is 98% recyclable. My thought is you could dig the arena into a pit and convert it into a landfill after striping the metal from it. Of course the problem there is its going to need to be far away from the action causing transportation issues.

      I also thought about maybe finding a way to convert a horse track or one of the small NASCAR/F1 tracks.

      • Sactowns#1

        Yeah but you cant take poor peoples money and give it to rich developers that way.

        • MB30SD

          holy shit! I just realized that you are actually….. ROBIN HOOD!!

          I met robin hood!!!!!

          • Sactowns#1

            No but I do have Robinhood. Great investment ap. Seriously, you guys should have jumped on that Sprint stock tip I gave about a month ago. Their shares are up almost 25% just today. Crazy!
            My next two tips- Chipotle has started their rebound so if youre looking for growth over the next 2 years its a solid pick. For short term investment I would jump on South West towards the end of this week. They had a terrible week last week, creating a 15% loss, but airlines are more profitable than ever and that loss will be regained and then some in the next 3 months.

          • Irish Sweetness

            How about shorting Nintendo stock. A 50% rise based on Pokemon Go seems like an unsustainable over-reaction?

          • Sactowns#1

            Yeah but their new console is coming out and it will be a big seller. I think that will prop them up for a bit.

          • MB30SD

            Your theories intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

      • Somebody on ESPN radio had a great idea a few weeks ago: Build 5 Olympic venues-1 on each major continent-for the next 5 Olympics. Places that can handle it, but the costs are split between everybody on that continent. Rotates through hosting, with a “host country” for that continent picked every time who gets to do the opening and closing ceremonies but also has to pay for the costs of running the games that year.

        Much more manageable financially then, and a lot less wasted infrastructure.

        • AlbertInTucson

          The Olympics is such a corrupt operation anymore.

          I wouldn’t want a dime of my money going to them.

        • Scharfinator

          How would you deal with cross border contention? I.E. the hosting country saying that costs are too high because the venue is somewhere more expensive? Tell em tough titties? I suppose that would work.

        • Sactowns#1

          How about hosting the Olypics in places which already have the infrastructure. No need to go building ridiculous venues when places like Chicago or Paris already have everything built.

          • except nowhere has the full infrastructure needed besides places that have hosted recently. Nobody has an athlete’s village sitting around unused and ready to go.

            Some places have most of what would be needed already, but nobody has everything. But they could absolutely use places like Beijing and London that hosted recently to have most of it in place already.

          • BearDown100393

            No, not Chicago. Rio is dangerous enough.

    • CanadaBear

      Just read where some Jiu Jitsu athlete got kidnapped and had to hit a couple of ATM’s to get released. If I was an athlete in a sport where you could actually make a living in that sport, I would not be going to Rio. Between Zika and the overwhelming poverty/crime, uh no.

      • MB30SD

        just a ridiculous joke that they actually went with brazil at all. SMH

        • willbest

          They did pull off the World Cup.

          • SC Dave

            A bit different, as I imagine there already were plenty of decent venues for soccer matches.

          • Scharfinator

            Not to mention the World Cup bringing on more financial ruin and then Brazil signing up for ANOTHER event like it.

    • BearDown100393

      Mick Dundee declines comment.

  • MB30SD
    • willbest

      My theory is the reason we are getting dumber is doctors are getting too good at saving peoples lives. Going to a doctor before antibiotics was actually a hail mary, then they got themselves a tool that worked, and allowed them to sew you up without you dying of infection 4 days later. All those people should have been removed from the gene pool and weren’t.

    • SC Dave

      It’s amazing to me that people are so willing to tell advertisers everything about themselves, and to be complete lemmings to their whims. Do you find Pokemon characters inside your Big Mac yet?

      • MB30SD

        as of 1.34 minutes ago… yes.

        I heard they’re making ~$8M per DAY!!!

  • CanadaBear

    I like that Irish just through his sheer determination and doggedness has Andrew listing Terry “Fucking” Williams as a cult hero.

    • Irish Sweetness

      8-Ball. Mah man.

      Hope we see some Lasike this year too. Pulling for Falesy. Hoping Marquis Jackson pulls through for DNA. We might see some Jason Weaver on the OL. Let’s see some of that 6’7 Gannon Sinclair!

  • MB30SD

    it’s things like this that make me question my sanity: http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/25/technology/marissa-mayer-pay/index.html

    Jesus fucking christ. Talk about being grossly over-rewarded for abject failure.

    • CanadaBear

      Sickening.

    • willbest

      You need to think of C-executives exactly like professional football players where there is no salary cap. She is Albert Hannesworth. Except in being a key player on 1 of 32 teams in a 8 billion dollar a industry (at the time), she was the head of a 4.5-5 billion dollar company.

      That is why I find it amusing when people talk about CEO vs. median worker pay. Median workers are JAGs. You are looking for HoFers to run your company, and like in football you are going to bet wrong fairly often.

      • Scharfinator

        But she wasn’t a HOF. IIRC, she ran Yahoo into the ground.

        It’s like signing Terrell Owens, letting him destroy your locker room, then giving him a big payout when his contract is over…. Maybe the analogy isn’t so far off…

        • Swing Tackle of Destiny

          good analogy

        • willbest

          Yes but you don’t know that at the time. Best information available and all that.

          • Scharfinator

            Right, but why haven’t these companies figured out they can use escape clauses on golden parachutes if someone can’t perform?

          • willbest

            Guaranteed money is a bitch.

        • BearDown100393

          Incidentally…. TerrellOwens@yahoo.com

    • AlbertInTucson

      SMH.

    • Irish Sweetness

      “I know my parents still use Yahoo Mail…”
      Cheeky cunt.

      Look at the weave on that black chick. Wonderful lips.

  • MB30SD

    and speaking of Darwin awards…. holy shit! Talk about a way to die. yilkes!

    • CanadaBear

      Wow! Dumb Ass.

    • willbest

      Wait so they decided to change drivers in the middle of the tiger’s cage and decided the best course of action wouldn’t be an over-under or front to rear to front approach?

      • MB30SD

        looks that way. Poor strategy… to say the least.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I bet there’s a sign every 10 feet that says “PLEASE REMAIN IN YOUR VEHICLE AT ALL TIMES” in a hundred languages.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This.

          • MB30SD

            yup

          • willbest

            In China? not as of 15 years ago. At a macro level that is a command economy, but at a micro-level its all caveat emptor.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Do they still have any LION COUNTRY SAFARI s around? We went to one in Florida in the 60s. Had a great time.

    • Irish Sweetness
    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      When I was in Florida two weeks ago, I took the kids for a day here:

      http://bigcathabitat.org/

      It was stupid hot out. Florida stupid hot.

      Interesting place. They have Ligers, Lion/Tiger hybrids. This Liger they have named Brutus is the biggest cat I have ever seen. I swear this thing looks CGI. It looks prehistoric Sabre Tooth, it’s the size of a small horse.

      Ligers will swim in the pools to stay cool. Lions will not go in water.

      Kids said they would not go back. They aren’t really into zoo animals anymore.

      • MB30SD

        yes, I know the liger. Amazing animal. Ridiculous size… what do you do with an animal that size: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DM9cV1fF518/maxresdefault.jpg

        Jesus

        • MB30SD

          Oh, and there’s a certain pride is Botswana that has adapted to swim in order to hunt the water living prey like red lechwe and waterbuck

          http://www.africansafarico.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/savut3.jpg

          • Swing Tackle of Destiny

            I assumed Lions refused to go in the water because they are genetically aware of crocs somehow.

          • MB30SD

            nah, crocs won’t usually fuck with lions. Usually. but generally you’re right, they don’t like water. pussies! (hee hee)

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        while i was in Montana, they had a “safari” style drive through park with bears, mountain lions, etc. I was curious how strict they were on letting what kind of vehicles they would let drive through. so I pulled in with my Jeep. They immediately said I would not be able to go through because I only had a bikini top on the Jeep and no soft top vehicles were allowed. It was cool, they offered to take me through riding in one of their vehicles. I declined when they told me the price. Close to $50 for 1/2 hour drive to see some animals.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Chinese fire drill gone wrong.

      • MB30SD

        WAY wrong. I see what you did there you heartless bastid

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          too soon? my bad.

          • MB30SD

            maybe, what’s the moratorium on making fun of people eaten by tigers while being a buffoon? Can someone google that please?

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i could have written it in a phonetic chinese accent. that would have been extremely wong.

          • MB30SD

            hee hee

            (Racist!)

          • CanadaBear

            If you don’t know the deceased I think 1 day should be sufficient. Esp when they are this stupid.

          • MB30SD

            I can live with that

    • Bender McLugh

      did I read that story correctly? Two women in the car got into an argument and that’s why woman #1 (seen in vid) gets out and then gets snatched by the Tiger, but the other woman tries saving her and she’s the one who died? jeesh

      • MB30SD

        they BOTH got eaten. Tigers had tie breaker on the argument.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    Hillary is going to hire Debbie Wasserman Schultz onto her personal campaign.

    It’s like she WANTS to give Trump ways to point out her cronyism.

    • willbest

      She always was on Hillary’s campaign, they are just making it official. Impressive level of tone deafness though. Then again if they get that Harpy elected without the Bernie vote they can do whatever they want. I expect her to stake out a pro-NATO position in speech. The NRO set seems content with anyone as long as they support dickering around in third world countries where we have no apparent interest.

      • AlbertInTucson

        MSNBC, of all places, ran poll numbers today that showed her getting hammered on “honesty” & “trust” .

    • willbest

      And now the FBI is investigating the hacked DNC emails. What are the odds that they find somebody to jail this time? Personally, I feel the individual/group responsible deserves a Pulitzer and protection under whistle-blower statutes, but embarrassing the Queen has consequences.

    • BearDown100393

      Debbie gets to bunk with Lena.

  • Irish Sweetness

    John Timu is a long shot to make the team? Wow.

    Weaver definitely makes it as our swing tackle.

    8-ball has to be in that rotation too.

    Lasike will be back on the PS.

    David Fales has still yet to do anything wrong.

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      Weaver definitely makes it as our swing tackle.

      My avatar is Kong for a reason, dude. Kong is Big Cat Williams size. Dude is a RT of destiny.

    • willbest

      AD is a Braverman, believer. List is legit.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    So the IOC won’t ban Russia from the games.

    Putin threatened to kill their families, probably. Fucking pussies. Those basterds will clean house in all the distance events, esp. the women’s distance events. Juiced to the 9s.

    • CanadaBear

      Pretty sure there are new drugs out there for athletic performance. The Tour de France didn’t catch anyone and I’m pretty sure Team Sky was totally juiced.

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        same drug, new mask

    • BearDown100393

      Russians In Rio. Gangsters, Doping, Drugs and Kidnappers. Sounds like paradise.

      • DaMurph

        No thugs?

        • BearDown100393

          In Cleveland getting ready for training camp.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Australia has declared the athlete’s quarters “uninhabitable.”

        • BearDown100393

          Rio added a kangaroo to make up for the lack of proper plumbing.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Don’t know if you boys are familiar with Marco Pierre White over there. Gordon Ramsay studied under him. His TV stuff – like the first 2 Hell’s Kitchens – is proper legendary. Knows his shit though. Worth checking out his vids on YT.

    Steaks 101.

    • BearDown100393

      Gordon Ramsay. Ringing endorsement of cred.

      • That Guy

        Gordon Ramsay makes his TV money screaming at people. But watching him actually cook? He’s one of my favorites for instructional videos.

        For example, this video changed the way I make scrambled eggs.

  • willbest

    Cubs acquired Chapman from the Yanks for some prospects and Warren.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • willbest

      He is an individual with an exceptionally low time preference. If you offered him $10 today or $100 a year from now and $10,000 five years from now, you are going to end up giving him $10.

    • Sactowns#1

      The dumbest thing about this whole story is that the NFL is investigating grown men taking legal substances which are in no way performance enhancing. STUPID!

      • willbest

        On the one hand yes, on the other hand, making thugs demonstrate they have the impulse control necessary to be puritans for 6 months to a year, doesn’t seem like a horrible test.

        • Sactowns#1

          “Thugs” the dog whistle term of the decade.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            He’s a POS dude. 5 arrests since 2011 including drunken driving/hit and run. If he was white you’d be bitching about white privilege or some shit since he hasn’t been kicked out of the league.

          • Sactowns#1

            Has anyone on here called Johnny Maziel a thug? Or even white trash? I rest my case.

          • BearDown100393

            He’s a thug in a Bieber sort of way.

          • DaMurph

            Hes a thug, but not a THUG! Thanks Tupac for starting all this fucking controversy!

          • BearDown100393

            He peed on a sidewalk. Someday, the Alamo.

          • DaMurph

            Geez Ive used the term thug for longer than youve been alive Sac. By definition a violent person, especially a criminal. “Johnny Manziel you ARE a thug!” Im not quite sure how this is being turned into the new substitute for the “N” word. Perhaps misguided African American would be better?

          • MB30SD

            I have… pretty much every single chance I get. That dude is straight up T-R-A-S-H

          • DaMurph

            I did before he was even drafted!

          • MB30SD

            yep, as usual… you and me bud. Dude was bound to crash and burn. POS

          • Sactowns#1

            If he was white nobody would be calling him a thug for substance abuse issues. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous at best.

          • DaMurph

            Hes a thug because he beat his girlfriend and some other guy most recently.

          • willbest

            If you hear the whistle, you are the dog.

          • BearDown100393

            Wag the Dog. Good movie.

          • MB30SD

            OHHHHHHHH! BUUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!

  • willbest
    • Sactowns#1

      For what? Make friends with some black people Will. Nobody likes Jordon and this was the most transparent, middle of the road, BS, symbolic move as of yet.

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        Sometimes you try too hard.

        • willbest

          He is just bitter about President Trump, don’t mind him.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            sorry Will, i’ll never get behind Trump. I’m an American first and foremost.

          • willbest

            I didn’t say you had to like it, but I mean come on, the RNC set a pretty low threshold for having a successful DNC, and they couldn’t even muster that.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            honestly man, I’d rather debate 3rd string quarterbacks than politics.

          • willbest

            *looks back to yesterday* nope you didn’t add anything to the Pickles conversation.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            our 3rd stringers.

          • willbest

            Fales is legit.

          • BearDown100393

            Melania is already 46. Trump probably has her airline ticket back to Slovenia already punched.

          • DaMurph

            Shes going to San Diego where MB will hoodle her until hes gorked! Right Albert?

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Hoodle” and “Gorked” in the same sentence..

            Go to the head of the class, son!

          • BearDown100393

            And karaoke Three’s Company

          • BearDown100393

            Il Duce Trump

        • Sactowns#1

          I was just talking about it with my friends this morning and all four of us (I’m the only white dude in the text thread) said the same thing. Too little, too late. People are already hip to the fact that he helps syphon millions of dollars out of poor communities and gives little to nothing back.
          To top that off, most the people who have met him think he’s a rude, arrogant, jerk.

          • DaMurph

            He is!

          • BearDown100393

            He’s practicing for his run at the White House.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            goddamnit man does anyone ever take fucking responsibility for anything in your world? He syphons millions of dollars out of poor communities? Holy fucking shit he doesn’t practice fucking mind control, he’s got a fucking brand that people buy.

      • willbest

        The reality is cops aren’t targeting blacks for execution (they are no greater percentage of killed by cops than their share of violent crime), and the reality isn’t that everything is a-okay with the police procedures. Of course, as I have said the problems with police and teachers/education are symptoms of the destruction of the two-parent family.

  • You’re about to get Jericho’d

    Nate Chandler retired? WTF is going on with our OL depth? Ramirez and Chandler, both signed to possibly challenge for playing time both fucking retire?

    • willbest

      Maybe Slauson saw what they wanted him to do and he said “ah, hell no…” and asked to be released/traded.

    • DaMurph

      Its the heat, they were like fuck training with mid 90s and 90% plus humidity!

      • willbest

        Its a nice mid 80s today.

        • DaMurph

          Still lil humid!

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    Snowden is out about the DNC Hack. He says he’s 100% sure that NSA knows the Russians did it, but are not keen to talk about XKEYSCORE anymore, and do not want to discuss what they can and cannot do, but they could track the exfiltration of data:

    “Even if the attackers try to obfuscate origin, #XKEYSCORE makes following exfiltrated data easy. I did this personally against Chinese ops. Evidence that could publicly attribute responsibility for the DNC hack certainly exists at #NSA, but DNI traditionally objects to sharing. The aversion to sharing NSA evidence is fear of revealing “sources and methods” of intel collection, but #XKEYSCORE is now publicly known.”

    He goes on to say (via Twitter and his interview) he has to be careful about pissing Putin off, but that he can tell you the NSA could come out right now and tell you who gave that mail spool to Wikileaks. It was FSB.

    Perhaps Mr. Putin is interested in getting his friend Trump elected. Demagogues hang together (lest they be hanged separately, or so the joke goes)

    • SC Dave

      Well, the DNC certainly wants to spin it as an attempt by Putin to help Trump.

      They are so, utterly, predictable.

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        So, dave, you are saying that Snowden is a DNC Lackey now, part of the spin team?

        • SC Dave

          No, I am saying the DNC is clutching at whatever straws they can find to deflect attention from their culpability in illegal and immoral activity.

          And like it or not, Snowden is a celebrity now, and a wanted felon. Given that, I suspect anything he says now, as his friends, family, and whomever else he might care about are now under watch/threat.

          • MB30SD

            just curious, where does the bush family fall on the scale? Cheney?

          • willbest

            I honestly think that W did what he thought was right, he was almost certainly listening to the wrong people about his foreign policy stuff. And say that for a number of reasons

            1) He didn’t campaign as a hawk. His compassionate conservatism was to funnel a lot of money to education and he did in fact double the size of the department of education.

            2) I did read Decision Points and even if ghost written/heavily edited it seemed to have a genuine feel to it

            3) He has not been critical of Obama and has tried very hard to fade into the sunset politically only resurfacing for familial obligations. Though he will appear for charity events. He even gave Obama cover when he went to Texas after the police killings. Of course, his Christian exuberance was ridiculed by the left.

            4) He still goes and visits vets in hospitals on the regular. That is not the makings of a psychopath.

            I guess the alternative theory is that he committed evil and he is trying to atone, but that seems unlikely. As for the Bush the elder, he was doing his thing when I wasn’t paying attention, so I couldn’t tell you about him.

          • MB30SD

            Wasn’t talking about w and what an embarrassment he was… I’m really talking about the fam as a political machine. Don’t get me wrong I think the Clintons are just as bad/court as any other… but Dave’s hatred for them made me wonder why the bushes, who are great friends with Arabian oil – and funnily enough all w’s wars just exponentially increased their and their friend’s wealth – and who got many many young Americans for it. When you look at that all the gnashing of teeth over blow jobs and emails and speech fees just seems silly to me.

            And the fact that Cheney and rumsfeld walked with impunity and you’re using the bush was just too dumb to know argument… none of that sits right with me guys.

            I personally think they’re all a bunch of garbage, but man… let’s Talley the body count and the reasons and methods to get there and I dunno. All this hate over her bullshit pales to me.

          • BearDown100393

            Cheney is more machine now…. twisted and evil.

          • willbest

            I am a cynic, so if you show me where Bush gained materially as a result of helping out the House of Saud, I would be perfectly willing to consider he isn’t a dupe. By contrast Clinton’s rise from a respectable 10-20 million into quarter of a billion dollars with a control over another billion is well documented. Unless its in her best interest, she doesn’t give a flop about the country.

            Incidentally, part of the reason I didn’t find Sanders wholly repugnant despite disagreeing with 90% of what he said is that he is exceptionally poor by Senatorial standards. Which means to the extent I disagree with him its because he is stupid and not evil.

    • willbest

      You can clean scrub anything if you want.

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        I don’t know what that means, it sounds like lawyer speak though.

        Here’s a primer on how XKEYSCORE works:
        https://theintercept.com/2015/07/01/nsas-google-worlds-private-communications/

        I think you may not fully comprehend the details in pattern matching an exfiltration across the open internet.

        • willbest

          I am saying that you can strip all the metadata from the files, and then if you transport them using not internet technology (ie. mail to a friend in another country) they aren’t going to find you.

          • Swing Tackle of Destiny

            Still lost.

            Metadata in the sense of, say, an email spool, is the checksum of the file.

            It works like this:

            NSA analyst, like Snowden, grabs the Wikileaks distribution and checksums the entire file. It’s size in bytes, it’s MD5 checksum for the whole file. They then go check XKEYSCORE, which is doing the same thing on every torrent, every SFTP session, everything. They then look at the IP address it was sent to.

            They then check the master database of IP addresses, that tells them what governments control what servers in the world. If it’s TOR, they have cracked TOR, so they find the end node.

            Now they know who took it.

            The best thing to do would be to encrypt the file BEFORE you ex-filtrate it, obfuscating the checksum of the file, then pass it out unencrypted. That would foul the system.

          • That Guy

            Not a computer wiz by any stretch, but it seems like like would be pretty easy to mask. Just create a script that randomly tweeks file sizes sufficiently to screw up the XKEYSCORE. The one receiving the files could do that once they come in before sharing further.

            This strikes me as the equivalent of copying a word document into another word document with different margins to screw up the number of words on each page. But maybe I am underestimating how difficult that would be.

          • MB30SD

            Pretty much what Hackerz was… I now know how to hack the gov. And score the hot threadz for like 200 wardrobe changes in 1.5 hours

          • willbest

            Except if I change file format and structure and strip information out of it it will change the MD5 checksum. In addition to stripping metadata you can add junk data. Plus they can’t actually store everything forever. HD’s aren’t that good yet. That is why the article link said 2-3 days of all data, and 30-45 days worth of the meta data. So in many cases then you could stay safe by waiting 60 days unless the metadata or actual data got flagged by their software in being higher value.

  • MB30SD

    I totally get the Chinpoko Mon crazy now!

    http://southpark.cc.com/clips/103420/japanese-charm

  • willbest

    Apparently the Eagles fans have taken over the DNC. They have booed everybody from DWS to Bernie to the Pastor giving the Invocation.

    • Sactowns#1

      I think most people see what having religion mixed with politics can do so they don’t want to open a progressive convention with prayer. Still, I mean you cant boo a guy praying for good things, can you?

      • DaMurph

        Nowadays, motherfuckers boo ya for everything!

        • Cormonster

          Murph, you really need to post more.

      • willbest

        I keep forgetting you are under the mistaken belief that Christianity and Islam are moral equivalents and that religions in general are responsible for the worlds ills. You should probably check your facts on the body counts. Its the secularist and its not even close.

        • SC Dave

          Actually, it’s the Communists. They win soooo easily. But I suppose you could call them secularists.

        • BearDown100393

          Fascists wins the body count.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Picking out secularism as the pertinent characteristic is a little odd to me.
          It’s not like the Fascists in Spain were giving hugs while the Republicans were committing genocide.
          If your point is religious affiliation is beside the point, then I’d agree.
          Bad people in power use all sorts of excuses to kill. Religious identify is one of them, but there are plenty of others.

    • SC Dave
      • willbest

        I am positive this sort of thing happens on both sides though. As I have said before, you can’t have a 3 trillion dollar bounty and expect people to play it on the up and up. That is why I like my governments small and contained to a handful of tasks. It limits the corruption.

  • MB30SD
    • BearDown100393

      invalid?

  • AlbertInTucson

    “65. Connor Shaw, QB. Kind of small and doesn’t have a very strong arm.”

    Everything you LOOK for in a QB!

    • MB30SD

      everything WE look for in our backups

    • BearDown100393

      “shows remarkable awareness”

      • AlbertInTucson

        He’s remarkably aware he’s short and has a weak arm…?

  • That Guy

    Going to my first Bears game this year.

    Had a client with a nagging issue that required like, 30 minutes of my time a month for ages. I finally told him “I’m not going to bill you for this, just take me to a Bears game.”

    And so now I’m going to the Eagles game on Monday Night Football.

    • SC Dave

      Sweet. About damn time, dude! πŸ™‚

    • Shady

      Wait, you’ve NEVER been to a Bears game before?

      ENJOY YO-SELF!

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    • BearDown100393

      You are going to have a blast. Congrats.

  • Shady

    “CRUZ TALKS TRUMP” β€” A Bad Lip Reading of Ted Cruz

  • Captain Obvious

    I think Kling might stick.

  • bearfacts

    Yawn. Yeah, I’ll bet it took a whole lot research to come up with this. I could have tossed names in a hat, drew them out one by one, and it may have been just as accurate as a ranking like this. LOL Who are YOU trying to fool Andrew.

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      Then write an article you fucking Chooch or post something of value.

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      You don’t blow your nose into the same towel you wipe your ass with. Otherwise stuff like this happens.

  • Shirleyjwashington2

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