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Penalties, Mistakes, Officiating Cost Backup Bears a Road Victory

| December 12th, 2016

It was a not a good game. It was difficult on the eyes. And there were a lot of reasons for that. Rapid fire…

  • It is difficult to enjoy a football game, as a fan, when you assume every long run and every good play made in the secondary is going to be accompanied by a flag. You’re simply never able to live in the moment of a football game. Yesterday the refs were a disgrace. Inconsistent pass interference calls. Hands to the face on the wrong team. Phantom holds late to literally cost the Bears a chance to tie or win the game. Officiating is going to be a big story come January and it will cost a team in he playoffs.
  • Worst example was the Stafford bomb downfield. Bears rushing three and dropping eight. Line judge throws flag, clearly for holding on the Lions. (She was staring at the line of scrimmage.) Refs convene and decide she had called holding ON THE DEFENSE! This means the refs believe one of the three rushers for the Bears held a Lions offensive lineman. Why? The only time defensive linemen hold is to prevent OL from getting to the second level. They didn’t identify who did it because, as you might imagine, it never happened. Farce.
  • How on earth are we supposed to evaluate #barkleytime with this crop of receivers “catching” the ball? Barkley didn’t do anything spectacular Sunday but when the game was put on his arm, he delivered. Again. His teammates and the refs let him down.
  • Seeing Barkley with Alshon Jeffery this week is going to be very interesting.
  • Barkley’s throw to Cam Meredith for the touchdown was a thing of beauty. Which are the throws Barkley can’t make?
  • Josh Bellamy plays wide receiver in the strangest manner I’ve ever seen. He has great hands but refuses to use them. He has no sense of where the boundaries are. He never knows when to jump or not jump for the football so his default seems to be JUMP! But he’s always open so how can Barkley not throw him the ball?

  • Leonard Floyd, Cody Whitehair, Jordan Howard. Signings like Hicks and Freeman. Why the hell is anybody talking about Bill Polian? Bears have a young GM who seems to be an excellent talent evaluator. Now he has to get the big one – quarterback – correct. The Bears can win the NFC North next season if they do.
  • Floyd is the most impressive rookie this organization has had in a long time. He is absolutely everywhere on the field. If the Bears could ever find a complementary pass rusher, or if McPhee could show some of his 2015 explosiveness, it could be special.
  • Pat O’Donnell stinks.
  • Akiem Hicks was drawing double teams almost all game long. And beating them more often than not.
  • Bears don’t have a safety that can cover on this roster. Draft is likely but this might be a target spot in free agency as well.
  • Bryce Callahan is a keeper.

This didn’t feel like a game the Bears SHOULD have won. But it was a game they could have won because of the defense, quarterback and Howard.

Barkley remains the story as we move through these final three games. If you don’t believe that, just read this Adam Jahns story this morning.

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  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Has anyone ever wondered why the refs have black and white striped shirts? Wink, wink.

    • MB30SD

      Um, no?

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        It’s all about duality maing

    • Bender McLugh

      so they can’t be individually picked out when they huddle together.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        So why not polka dots?

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Let the buyer beware!

    “Alabama’s defense figures to boast several first-round draft picks, but at least one NFL scout isn’t a fan of cornerback Marlon Humphrey, per Miller. “I think he’s overrated,” said the evaluator. “You guys don’t see how stiff he is or that he can’t turn and run.”

    • Big Mike

      I don’t like anyone out of a school like Alabama. They are better than the sum of the parts, because of their overall talent, depth and good coaching.

      • DaBearsBlog

        They are literally impossible to evaluate. Dee Milliner was a great college corner who couldn’t play in the league. Landon Collins was a decent box safety who has turned into Ed Reed. They’re a defense where the tape is becoming meaningless.

        • MB30SD

          Yep, lately their safeties have really come on. Ha ha is also very solid.

          Do they have a high Rd 1 FS this year, I haven’t been watching.

          • Big Mike

            Their best safety was a kid Eddie Jackson. He broke his leg in October. Up until that time he looked like a first rounder . ALL SEC First team guy in 2015. He’s a SS.

          • MB30SD

            thanks mike. We need a FS… well, we need both, but we need a new Mike Brown after 10 years (or whatever)

          • Big Mike

            In years past I’ve never been on board with taking a safety in the first round. I’ve always thought if you are in the top 10 you take a skill position player. After that you take OL/DL. My theory is that’s how you build a team. From what my eyes tell me, the Bears are closer than it looks to being playoff caliber, but the secondary has to improve. The talent is there on the front 7. Maybe a 3rd 4th round pick for depth up front. But in the first 2 rounds, they need to take a Corner or FS. Maybe even a player who can cut his teeth in the nickel package and progress to FS. I think this is a priority over every other position on the field. The issue I see is that historically Safeties are never picked in the top 5 or even 10.

          • MB30SD

            Historically and these days are different.

            Joseph, Ha Ha, Collins… 100% with you that we need that dbackfield general. I think that guy needs to be a FS, but if Pace can find a Kam 2.0, I’d certainly be up for that.

            ANyway, you and I are on the same page about the overall. DB in the first 2 rounds, or FS in rd 1 and get Mr. Hill in here post haste for SS, then take the best CB in rd2 and our secondary could be sorted for years to come.

  • Big Mike

    Spot on Jeff. I like this group of players. This is great experience. Playing a playoff team close on the road, down 11 starters. Take the over on the Bears next year. Might be the best bet in football.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    A few thoughts:

    1) Barkley threw it up for grabs pretty much every time he was under pressure. I love the way he’s played the last few weeks, but that’s a disturbing trend. Had several passes that should never have been thrown fall through the defender’s hands.

    2) Notice how little he’s been under pressure though. This OL has been playing awesome. They’re gonna be amazing next year with (hopefully) a fully healthy group. That interior with Whitehair, Long, and Sitton is gonna wreck opposing teams.

    3) Combine that with Howard and you have a clear identity on offense moving forward. A power running team. I’ve talked a lot about the need to build a roster that is a good situation for a young QB. They’ve done it. Good OL, power running game, decent weapons in the passing game, solid defense.

    4) Speaking of the defense, that front 7 is nasty. And that’s without both starting ILB. Kwiatkowski looks like a keeper. Hicks is a monster. Add one more piece on the DL to replace Unrein, who is just too slow, and this is the foundation of a top 5-10 defense for the next several years.

    5) But to reach that point, man do they need pieces in the secondary. They might be ok at CB with Fuller, Hall, Callahan, and LeBlanc, but Porter should not be on this team after the season. Adding one somewhat proven CB into the mix would be a good idea. And they need 2 new S; every single young guy they threw out there just looked absolutely lost yesterday. It’s time to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on one, and they have the money to bring in a solid guy in FA too.

    6) One bonus point that I’m surprised Jeff didn’t mention: that Brown kid at TE is looking like a find. He made some tough catches yesterday. Should be some actual solid depth at TE moving forward.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      One more bonus point: all of the injuries this season are helping build something the Bears haven’t had in ages: depth.

      They’ve found solid depth at QB, RB, WR, TE, OG, ILB, DL, and CB this year. That’s huge. Not everywhere, but more places than they’ve had in a long time.

      • Malice Halice

        Regardless if the depth has talent?

        • willbest

          Experienced players without much talent is better than inexperienced players without much talent.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          Meredith, Barkley, Kwiatkowski, Larsen, LeBlanc, Brown, Sutton are all depth guys who have shown solid play this year when pushed into duty by injuries.

    • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

      agreed on this post except for the love of Kwiatkowski. The kid was consistently manhandled, picking the wrong hole, 2 steps too late, driven wherever the linemen wanted to drive, ending up 10yds down the field…..and even then not even on the pile or anywhere near it. Brutal.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        I noticed him several times, and usually in good ways. If I re-watched on all-22 looking specifically for him, perhaps my opinion would change. Just what I saw in the initial watching on TV.

    • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)
    • MB30SD

      Ok, so who’s your 1st round pick so far?

      Let’s say we beat the packers and we pick 6th.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        If there’s a QB Pace believes is a franchise QB, you do whatever it takes to get him.

        Otherwise go for a playmaker. I’d love one more pass rusher, especially from the 3-4 DE spot, and hear there’s a couple guys at the top of this draft who fit that bill. Also have heard there’s a number of excellent safeties, and I’d love one of those (ideally after trading down).

        I’d love a stud OT, but have heard this draft is weak for those at the top. All of this is based on what I hear from guys I trust, as I have not watched nearly enough to form my own opinions.

        • MB30SD

          thanks data.

          Yeah, as I wrote to murph in the last thread, I want:

          #1 – BPA @ FS/OL/DE
          #2 – BPA of the two positions left above
          #3 – BPA of the last positions above

          as for QB, we could do worse with, Barkley (if he continues to produce), Hoyer, and bring in a Glennon or the like

    • BerwynBomber

      Barkley and Hoyer both get rid of the ball quicker (actually much quicker) than Cutler. There is a reason our O-lines “suddenly” pass protect better when playing in front of a back-up. Be it McCown, Barkley, Hoyer, hell even the DET game of ’14 involving Pickles. Jay’s a notorious ball holder … waiting to see guys open, looking for that big play, relying on is big arm, etc. That stuff can pay off, of course, but the downside is you will see more pressure/sacks.

      In terms of Barkley throwing the ball in harm’s way, yeah, I saw two that easily could have been picks when he was back-pedaling. And it is indeed a troubling trend. But he is still young in QB years, and I did see a few more that resulted in one-on-one battles between the WR and the DB (or in one case Howard and an LB). You can live with those. In fact, even the best QBs will sometime rely on their receivers to win closely contested battles like that.

      • willbest

        Surprisingly Rodgers has a higher sacked % (6.8) than Cutler (6.3). Though Cutler has quite a few more fumbles 89 to 70. Its hard to figure out fumble % but it looks like Rodgers has around 5050 career touches, to Cutler’s 4850 career touches. So that would put Rodger’s fumble % somewhere around 1.3% and Cutler’s around 1.8%

        • BerwynBomber

          Not too surprising. A) Rodgers played behind some crappy lines too, B) he is damn reluctant to put the ball in harm’s way (hence is willing to take more sacks than most QBs), and C) though he doesn’t need to see guys open like Jay, GB relies heavily on Rodgers making sandlot plays. (In fact, I believe all three of his scoring passes against SEA yesterday resulted from him breaking containment.)

          P.S. the .5 difference in fumbles might not seem like much but it is in fact, at the very least, a borderline significance. But yeah, at least in the last two years, it seems Rodgers is fumbling more.

          • willbest

            With 5000 data points each, a half a percent is a big deal. Even a particularly bad or good season at that point won’t move the number much.

            That is just fumbles, not fumbles lost though. There isn’t a good way to determine fumbles lost with pro-football reference. For example, we know Jay recovered 26 fumbles, and Rodgers recovered 24 fumbles. But we don’t know how many were also recovered by oline/RB’s etc. Or how many of those fumbles they recovered from the Center or the RB. It certainly feels like Cutler’s fumbles are more likely to result in turnovers though.

          • CanadaBear

            Wilson in Seattle used to have an insane stat about recovering his fumbles. Pretty sure one year he recovered every one of his fumbles. Quick reactions for sure but some of that is just dumb luck.

          • BerwynBomber

            Though with Wilson I’ve also see him lay out for a fumble — like full headfirst dive. Sort of the anti-Cam reaction to one.

          • CanadaBear

            Fair enough. That’s got to be in your DNA because you know it’s going to be painful diving after it.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, as I edited my comment — I believe Rodgers fumbles climbed significantly during his “mortal” stretch from middle of last year until mid-this year. Believe he fumbled three times in their SNF game against MIN in the beginning of the year. But agreed that half a point is a big deal.

            Btw, Wentz had a real bad one to seal WAS’s win yesterday. Front side coverage strip sack when PHI was near WAS RZ with a chance to win the game.

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      “1) Barkley threw it up for grabs pretty much every time he was under pressure.” couching can mend it and experience, more throwing the better.

  • BearDown100393

    NFL officiating is garbage. It is inconsistent to the point that networks employ former officials (equally challenged) in attempt to explain the on field calls. And replay only exits to increase television advertisements and appease Vegas on the spread.

    • CanadaBear

      There is an article on ESPN about the refs calling hands to the face against the Loins when it should have been against Goldman. All the comments from Loins fans are about the refs screwing them. 11 penalties for 139 yds against the Beloved and they got screwed. Un-huh.

  • Malice Halice

    No more hand-me-down Qb’s. That’s all I ask.

  • CanadaBear

    Josh Bellamy is like a baseball player that is lightning fast and can steal bases at will. Only one problem, can’t get on base. Bellamy can get open and make insane catches. The problem is the other half the time he can’t catch a cold.

    • willbest

      That is probably why we don’t see him returning punts and kickoffs ever. Too much risk with him dropping that shit.

  • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

    Biggsy heads to Sysco where there is a sale on the gallon jugs of mustard they usually sell to restaurants. Biggsy uses those up one per month.

    When he gets back, he files these 10 things about the Bears suck fest

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-10-thoughts-bears-lions-brad-biggs-20161212-story.html

  • willbest

    Jeff is kidding himself with 2-year $8 million with escalators. Excluding the Packers game when he was thrown to the wolves his other 3 games are better than Osweiler games that earned him $37 million guarantees, and he is doing it with Bellamy and Thompson instead of Thomas and Sanders. You can prattle until you are blue in the face that that didn’t work out for Houston, and you would be right, but that doesn’t mean somebody else won’t take the gamble on it. Just because a bet doesn’t work out, doesn’t mean its not a good bet. Top 20 QB’s don’t exactly grow on trees.

    The only thing blocking it is the first rounder the team has to part with but if the team is drafting in the teens or 20s, that is a quality sacrifice for a starting caliber QB.

    • BerwynBomber

      True but he won’t see anything near Oz money either. The context surrounding his and Barkley’s 2015 and 2016 respective seasons are/were vastly different.

      • willbest

        I expect some team to offer him a Matt Flynn type deal. Probably something like 3-year $30 million, $15 million guarantees. Which actually puts the pressure on the Bears because they will be either forced to commit to him as the starter for 2017 or opt for the 1st round pick.

        If I were his lawyer I might put a clause in the contract that says a $1 million dollar bonus for each game played at Soldier Field. I am sort of surprised the Bears or Dolphins didn’t do that with Mile High Stadium and CJ Anderson. That type of bonus must be prohibited.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          I don’t know if they are prohibited, however I think there is at least “gentleman’s” agreement not to do it. In the early to mid 00’s there were several deals done that would hurt the original team if they matched the offer, since then I have not heard of any of those types of deals.

        • That Guy

          There is a rule against it. I can’t remember the exact circumstances, but 3 or 4 years ago the league cleared that loophole.

          I remember there was a team that gave their left tackle a clause saying he’d be the highest paid offensive linemen. The suitor team couldn’t take him because they already had a pro-bowler guard making $10M a year. If I’m not mistaken, that was the language that the league struck down, but it may have been another such deal.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

      Don’t you think Oz will act as a cautionary tale?

      Which teams will gamble on him?

      I think Browns are done gambling on those types. They gave RG3 and McCown a try. Neither panned out for diff reasons.

      9ers? Maybe. I think Chip drafted Barkley and is very familiar with him from the Pac days. But that could also work against Barkley, and even IF Chip might think Barkley worth it, doesn’t mean GM is as Chip himself might be on thin ice.

      Jets. They’ll be desperate enough. But they just gave $12M to a “journeyman” who had ONE good year. Barkley will only have like 4 “decent” games on tape.

      There also might be belief that Barkley is a ‘system’ QB.

      So far Birdcage has made both Hoyer and Barkley (and even Shaw) look better than expected (couldn’t save Cargo, but God himself couldn’t make him a good QB).

      Might be a perception that he’ll thrive but in this specific system (A lot of ppl feel Cousins is the same, though he has way better production and a lot more tape).

      I just don’t see a team willing to throw OZ $ at Barkley.

      And one might argue that teams will prefer Glennon, Garrapolo, Romo or even Cargo over Barkley.

      I think Barkley and Hoyer stay.

      We’re throwing away the gun and keeping the connolis.

      • willbest

        Wait did you just argue that Birdcage is a genius OC?

        Cardinals, Dolphins, and Donks all have fluid QB situations and won’t have to part with a top 10 pick. Browns if they can give us the Eagle’s pick rather than their #1 would be a possibility.

        And no, Hoyer will not be a Bear next year.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

          I think Pace, Fox, Gase-Birdcage have a very specific blueprint of what kind of QB they want on the Bears.

          Cutler does NOT fit that blueprint (arguably since day one).

          Just take a look at the QBs they’ve gone after.

          They’re more or less the same type – the cerebral leader, accurate, consistent and careful with the ball, with a decent (not great) arm.

          In other words, the opposite of Cutler.

          They chose guys who fit that mold, and played to their strengths.

          Don’t think it’s revolutionary, but can’t argue with results.

          And if Hoyer isn’t on this staff, I’ll be completely shocked and think it’ll be due more to having to choose between paying Barkley or Hoyer, but as Jahns has stated, POX LOVES Hoyer.

          • willbest

            What QB other than Mariota (rumored) did they go after? Hoyer was brought in to be a backup, and fits the mold of basically every other backup in the league that isn’t on a rookie contract. Barkley was a camp body and PS guy after they lost Shaw.

            And Gase went from one wildcard to another.

  • BerwynBomber

    “If the Bears could ever find a complementary pass rusher, or if McPhee could show some of his 2015 explosiveness, it could be special.”

    McPhee flashed a bit yesterday. The first sack of Stafford, which I assume was split between Hicks and Floyd, was in reality all McPhee’s doing. He was the one that collapsed the right side of the pocket and provided the initial pressure. Hicks and Floyd were just there to mop it up with coverage sack level pressure.

    • Bender McLugh

      I saw McPhee rush the passer on a run play, then make the tackle of the RB after reversing direction. His effort seems to be steadily improving

  • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

    Ha, one bad game and the jackals in the press are talking Romo Return.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cowboys/2016/12/12/dak-prescott-dallas-cowboys-new-york-giants/95325218/

    The Giants put on a clinic, esp with regards to the nickel press. They have the best secondary in football right now.

    After getting their ass stomped hard in Green Bay, Tony Dungy says he still likes the Seahwks chances to contend for the NFC title game. That was a Dungy like statement. Why that guy is on tv, I do not know.

    • willbest

      Division games are tough. Especially the second meeting of the season.

      I still see Dallas in the NFC title game, probably against the Giants at this point. Playoff Eli is scary business.

      Disappointed in the Raiders. I am going to chalk that up to Thursday Night Randomness.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Seahawks get exactly what they need.

      The Rams, in Seattle on Thursday Night.

      • CanadaBear

        Seattle is one of the few teams the Rams can beat. Not sure how but they seem to do it more than most teams.

        • willbest

          Rams like to show up against their division.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I don’t think Goff is ready to go INTO Seattle and pull that off, especially on a short week.

            The Rams got a couple of consolation scores after Atlanta was up 42-0.

          • CanadaBear

            i agree with ya Al but this year has been so screwy, nothing surprises me much at this point.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Goff got his pants taken down, at home, by the Falcon defense.

            The Legion of Boom will be looking for someone to take their frustrations out on after that Packer beat down.

            Add in Road-Team-Thursday-Night-Syndrome.

            Not good for Jared.

  • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

    they were caught by lacking talent. officiating runs for both.

    • CanadaBear

      True enough but once in a while one team will take it up the ass from the refs. This was one of those games. Not complaining. Hope the next 3 games end in close, frustrating losses. If they win any of the 3 I hope they smoke those fuckin’ fudge packers and throttle Rodgers. Make him limp for real.

      • SC Dave

        I’m shocked, Canada. Shocked I say!

        UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES is it acceptable to lose to Green Bay.

        • willbest

          Not even if its week 17 and a loss guarantees the #1 draft pick?

        • CanadaBear

          At least I threw in a caveat!

      • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

        I hope so.

    • BerwynBomber

      Bears were robbed. Homecooking is one thing. Highway robbery is another. And Triplette crews are often the worst in the league.

      • CanadaBear

        I would say the worst every year. As far back as I can remember, his crew has led the league in penalties.

        • BerwynBomber

          I would not disagree with you. Always loathed the dude.

        • SC Dave

          The announcers were talking about that crew calling more penalties than any other.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

            That’s not even the worst part. The worse part is the inconsistency.

            If you’re gonna let Bears rushers get mugged, can’t call ticky-tack shit on our Oline.

      • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

        correct, that crew was awful in a bad way.

  • CanadaBear

    Saw a short interview with LeBlanc last night. He said on the Pick 6 he was baiting Stafford because he knew his guy (Boldin) couldn’t run away from him. He should probably not say that HJQ.

    • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

      Boldin schooled his ass on that 7 route for the TD.

      • CanadaBear

        HJQ fell down on that one. Whiffed at the LOS and fell down chasing him. Who would guess an undrafted player would suck moose wang?

        • BerwynBomber

          Lining up an undrafted safety man2man against a former PB-level receiver is usually asking for trouble.

          HJQ actually made a couple of decent plays early in the game.

          • willbest

            Its not like we have DBs in spades.

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t hate the guy and he brings the wood but he’s pretty awful in coverage. Can’t get too mad when they are UFA’s.

        • willbest

          Not Irish. All undrafted players are greatness just waiting for their chance to shine, and sometimes that chance needs to be 30 or 40 NFL games to properly evaluate.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

          In the infamous words of Squirrel Nut, there’s no CB tree!

  • Scharfinator

    Holy shit. Fisher just clinched a 7 season streak of losing teams. What a horrible coach

    • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

      If you didn’t think so before, then Hard Knocks would have sealed your opinion of him.

      • BearDown100393

        Jeff Fischer owns a nice ranch in Montana. And that is about all I can write positively.

        • Sactowns#1

          Looks like he’ll be spending a lot more time there because he just got canned.

    • AlbertInTucson

      He’s had 6 winning seasons in 22 years and he just tied the record for most coaching losses.

  • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)
    • BearDown100393

      Press: Did you order the cheap shot?

      Coach Arians: [from the speaker podium] I did the job I…

      Press: [interupts him] *Did you order the cheap shot?*

      Coach Arians:[directly to the Press] *You’re Goddamn right I did!*

  • BearDown100393

    The Bears are officially eliminated.
    This will take some time to get over.

    • willbest

      Do we spend our #5 pick on Peppers or go with another Wisconsin tackle?

      • Sactowns#1

        You know I always want linemen. Trade your #5 pick for a #20 and a late second round. Pick up a Dlineman, a DB and an Olineman. Draft complete.

        • willbest

          The #5 pick is worth about as much as the #20 and the #21 pick combined. So if you are trading your #5 that far back you better be getting their first round pick next year too. plus like a 3rd rounder this year as an interest payment.

          A late second rounder would be what you would get if you were going from #5 to #10.

          • Sactowns#1

            Its tough to say really. it seems to fluctuate from year to year depending on the draft class and the teams needs.

        • willbest

          I really only support trading back in the first if you find yourself in a situation where you legitimately can’t decide between say 4 guys and you are moving back 3 spaces. If you are falling from #5 to #20 you are basically saying you feel this draft is either so stacked that you think there is pro-bowl talent to be found everywhere, or its so weak that all the high probability guys are gone. Either result seems like a dubious conclusion for a front office to come to however.

          • Big Mike

            Agreed. Or someone simply over pays with way more picks than they should.

      • BearDown100393

        Just don’t draft a punter.

      • Big Mike

        Of all of the Wisconsin Tackles ever drafted, ours was the only bust. If I remember, his injury/health issues were known. No damaged goods in RD 1 ever

      • BerwynBomber

        Peppers seems to check all the boxes physically but I worry if he is a jack of all trades/master of none. Thought I heard the dude does not have a single INT in his college career and only one FF.

        Stats need contextualized at times, but those #s, if true, give a little pause.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

          When I viewed his highlights, I saw a good, not great player.

          I was way more impressed with Joseph last year at S.

          We need PLAYMAKERS.

          That CB from SC impressed me more (he also returns like Hester)

  • Bernie Cohen

    C’mon! If, only, maybe? The Bears need a complete whitewash. Owners included.

    • BearDown100393

      Starting with you.

      • Scharfinator

        If only 🙁

    • AlbertInTucson

      But, ere in the real world, Bears ownership will not be changing any time soon.

      • willbest

        Gina is what 95? Probably not all mentally there. Surely somebody can get a hot mic on her with some sort of racist homophobic screed to force the sale. A la Sterling.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      I am so glad they let the senile use computers at the nursing home.

      • DaMurph

        Dont bash the senile! Ha!

  • BearDown100393
    • willbest

      One would think his Michigan contract has something like a $50 million buyout clause in it.

      ed. In reading the piece, its a 100% masturbation job. There is no evidence of anything.

      • MB30SD

        totally. Don’t believe this shit for a second.

        he needs to get them a title or he falls off his greatness record.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

        If I can masturbate to midgets peeing on germans, I can masturbate to anything!

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      The Rams literally just signed Jeff Fisher to a contract extension last week.

      http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18199958/jeff-fisher-signs-contract-extension-los-angeles-rams-coach

      • Sactowns#1

        Why? Why on earth would they do that?

        • CanadaBear

          Mystery for the ages.

        • MB30SD

          Rams

      • Sactowns#1

        And….. he’s been fired.

        • BearDown100393

          Yep. He gone.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          That franchise is run so poorly. Almost makes the Bears look good.

          Almost.

          • MB30SD

            not really. parallel shittiness

        • Scharfinator

          Lol wow

      • willbest

        It wasn’t last week. It was reported last week, it happened before the season started. It still doesn’t make sense.

    • That Guy

      Remind me never to read anything by that guy ever again.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

      If Jim is coming back to the NFL, we need to put Fox up on the guillotine to signal to Harbs our seriousness.

      Vive le Harbs!

      • MB30SD

        FUCK…. YES!!!

        Come home jimmy!!

        btw, if he moves now, that would be insane. he should stay at least till he gets them a tittle next year.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        i would agree but our luck would be Jim decides not to come back to the NFL or chooses another team, then our great leadership determines we need a HC with experience and hires Fisher.

        • willbest

          If the McCaskey’s hire him, you know they are just trolling us

      • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

        His wife has to be hating Ann Arbor right about now.

        Cause Ann Arbor in winter sucks.

        • BerwynBomber

          The entire Midwest sucks in winter.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

            Ugh, and I might be visiting Nebraska in winter.

            Like 5 degrees. My southern cali balls will fall off like ice cubes :O

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Couple years ago I had to go to Fargo ND in late January. Blizzard when I landed, another blizzard when I left. They got 20+ inches of snow in those 4 days. It was awesome. I love snow. The -20 degrees wind chill was a little much but awesome.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

            Yikes. Maybe I’ll just send a postcard.

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta love that wind in ND!

          • CanadaBear

            Wind is serious in NE.

          • willbest

            I don’t know my wife is from a place without winters. She rather likes them

    • AlbertInTucson

      I say that because the WIFE wants to go back to California.

      • BerwynBomber

        Can’t blame her. And I suspect Kroenke will throw a ton of money at Harbaugh if he wants him.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

          L.A. rumor is, Chucky wanted Rams job.

          There’s also a donkey show somewhere off 8th and broadway.

          Stay tuned…

        • AlbertInTucson

          Hmm, let’s see, winter in Cali or winter in Michigan? (said the guy in Arizona).

  • That Guy

    Three thoughts on this lovely Monday morning.

    1. Fantasy is weird. And Julio Jones’s turf toe is why I think my trade to get him was a lot fairer than people think.

    2. I thought about draft position for about 2 seconds on Sunday at the 2 minute warning. And then I thought about how cool it would be for #barkleytime to drive the field and win the game or send us to overtime against the division leaders. I’ll take two or three more Sundays of fun over one or two spots in the draft please and thank you.

    3. 2 years for $8M will not get Barkley. 2 years for $20M and $8M guaranteed might.

    • BillW

      We sort of seem to get the best of both worlds. Barley essentially threw the winning TD against Tn. He essentially led a game-tying drive against Dt. All the good feelings of a QB accomplishing what was needed – and yet we keep our draft position.

      Would ALWAYS rather the actual win – but losing this way is much better than getting blowed out.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

        Yeah, that’s the way I see it.

        If we’re gonna lose, let it be cuz of bad calls, injuries, and scrubs who’ll be replaced dropping balls.

    • ButtonShoes

      ” I’ll take two or three more Sundays of fun over one or two spots in the draft please and thank you.”

      Thinking like that is what gets you Kyle Fuller instead of Aaron Donald, Kevin White instead of Leonard Williams, and Curtis Enis instead of Peyton Manning.

      • MB30SD

        agree 100%. fuck my sunday’s, I can find fun elsewhere this year.

        I’ll take fun all season long NEXT year, not faux consolation fun this broken year.

        Of course, this week is very different. I want fun this week.

  • Huge Bears Penis
    • CanadaBear

      Sometimes people take comfort in the oddest things. Right now I take comfort that I’m not a Rams fan.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Nah, It was a foregone conclusion. Rams fans have to be elated just as Bears fans were when crypt keeper got canned.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

          Yeah, but much like Bears fan, the fear was that Fisher just got an extension and that the owners would be to cheap to eat the $.

          There’s some of that still with Fox.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Or a Jets, 49ers or Browns fan?

        • CanadaBear

          How dysfunctional are they? Extend him and fire him in the same week. WTF? Even the Bears never did anything like that (way too cheap back in the day).

    • willbest

      I wish I had Walton money where I didn’t care about $20 million dollar mistakes.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

      Ding dong the witch is dead.

      Good. Dude was the poster boy of mediocrity (if that).

      The goggled one Dickerson will be thrilled, along with every Ram fan.

      • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

        DICK-er-son

    • AlbertInTucson

      6 winning season in 22 years.

      None with the Rams.

      What took so long?

      • willbest

        Somebody had said his Agent is the brother-in-law of the Walton’s or something.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Nepotism.

          Yeah, that almost ALWAYS works out for the best, doesn’t it?

          • willbest

            The collective networth of the Walton family is like $300 billion, so it has been for them.

        • BillW

          Goodnight, John Boy.

    • MB30SD

      wait, didn’t he just get an extension??!?

  • BerwynBomber

    “Which are the throws Barkley can’t make?”

    His arm is only average but he seems to vary the velocity on downfield throws depending on separation. It’s initially concerning because for a split second some of his passes look to have way too much air beneath them but then the camera picks up the receiver and the dude’s a couple yards open and all is fine.

    At least I hope that is his intention and not just dumb luck.

    Btw, really liked how emotionally/mentally steady he seems when dealing with adversity — dropped balls, shitty calls, etc.

    But he did have a couple of wince-inducing passes yesterday. Still, good effort yesterday. Against a much better D than he has previously faced.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

      The BIGGEST reservation I have about Barkley is his decision making under pressure.

      Last night they aired an interesting stat that Dak was MUCH better when under pressure than Eli.

      Dak’s rating was in the 100s while Eli’s was in the 70s or something.

      Barkley is tough and throws while under duress but sometimes it looks like he just flings it to the nearest target when the rush is near, everything else be damned.

      Throws under pressure and TD passes is really what I’m focusing on Barkley the next few games.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

    Here’s the problem in LA. Does the next head coach hire have to like Goff? Does that EVER work? – Jeff.

    Exactly why I’m not for drafting a QB high next year.

    Fox and Co are on the plank in ’17.

    No thanks.

    • willbest

      Carr drafted in 2014, Jack Del Rio hired in 2015
      Winston drafted in 2015, Dirk Koetter hired in 2016 (though he was the OC in 2015)

      • willbest

        Mike Mularkey also ended up with a promotion to HC from assistant HC after Mariota was drafted.

        And then of course there are establish HC’s that take on vet QB’s all over the place. But I think its pretty rare to develop another person’s draft pick.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

        Yeah, but for everyone of those, there’s like 10 examples of HC and QBs they didn’t want flaming out.

        Vince Young, RG3, etc

        If there’s a Winston in the next draft, then maybe I wouldn’t mind, but thus far there doesn’t seem to be one.

        Carr was a bit more risky and why 32 teams past him up the first time.

        Even so, it would retard the QB progress as he’ll likely have to learn a whole new system.

        • willbest

          Well it seems to me he didn’t learn this one, so there shouldn’t be any over crowding in the brain going on.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

            I think it’s preferable to pair new HC-OC-QB.

            The Bears have always seemed to just plug holes in the titanic instead of just letting it sink and building a new ship.

            Good DCs fired like Chico and replacing them with bums.
            Leftovers like Martz or Tucker who no one else really wanted joining staffs on thin ice

            Promoted guys like Tice for same reason.

            A GM inheriting an HC (Lovie, Fox) etc etc

            We have to stop all that shit and either just totally sink in the cold waters of ineptness or ride and triumph with the same crew.

            Need to build some consistency (aside from Ted Phillips the human herpes that never goes away)

          • willbest

            I think the QB-HC dynamic is a bit overrated. Getting to choose your QB is a a luxury. Pedo McGoo got the Giants job knowing he was rolling with regular season Cutler who turns into regular season Peyton Manning during the post season. Gase had to take Tannehill in Miami. The Eagles trifecta is more the exception than the norm.

            If you are saying that the HC needs to be the deciding factor on the QB, you are basically elevating him to GM for that selection. Do you really want the likes of Fox or Lovie in that situation? Maybe when its a former QB like Harbaugh who has a much fuller perspective than the GM, but not the defensive minded guys. At some point, your front office has to earn their keep.

            So back to this year. If the GM had fired Fischer, he probably would have hired a HC that was going to be okay with Goff (the consensus #1 pick) and while the coach might say “I like Wentz better” that wouldn’t necessarily outweigh his scouting reports and own instincts.

            The difference at this point is that Goff has struggled, but I don’t see a lot of Coordinators turning down a 150% pay raise and $20 million guaranteed, because they got to use Goff for the next 2 years before asking the GM for a new toy.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

            It’s usually the case that HCs see eye-to-eye with the GMs that just hired them.
            Wouldn’t be surprised if Pace asks, “What do you think about so-and-so QB?” and if the answer does not jibe with his, next.

            So it’s not so much that an HC will have personnel powers, but that he’ll be fully invested in the new program/QB.

            Cuz when the HC inherits a QB they weren’t sold on, a lot of times it burns out. Some ppl speculate that Fisher and Shannahon purposefully sabotaged Young and RG3 doing everything possible to prove they were right.

            And therotically, if an HC buys into a new QB, he’ll likely know what his strengths and bring an OC that’ll get the most out of him.

            The other part is that top HC candidates PREFER to choose their own guys. That’s a selling point.

            What happens if McDaniels wants to become a coach in 18 – he’s choosing between the Bears who already drafted and wasted Kizer for one year, but McDaniels wants to bring Garrapolo with him, or simply doesn’t buy Kizer and wants HIS guy? Or what if for some reason Harbs does return to the NFL – don’t think he’d rather have his own guy? (he dumped Alex Smith)

            The top HC candidates prefer a clean slate form which to form the team in their own image.

          • willbest

            Top HC candidates want to be GM’s. Which is why Top HC that act as GM’s don’t last very long without Lomardi trophies. It got Harbaugh and Chip Kelly fired. Anyway Elway firing Fox from the HC of a playoff caliber team almost never happens. There are 4-8 HC jobs open every year and all of them will have their own problems.

            A GM that believes in Kizer that doesn’t bring him in is just shitting on his team because he plans on hiring a new HC in 2018 and he won’t know if that HC wants Kizer or not. Quite frankly, if McDaniels or Harbs doesn’t believe in Kizer like say Pace does, then they shouldn’t be coaching the Bears, and if they take the job saying “yeah I can work with him” and then don’t. Well that would be fraud.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

            But, that’s the thing.

            Why limit our HC candidates?

            With a blank slate, that should make the Bears more lucrative.

            It’s like dating a chick.

            You want the older chick with the kids, no college degree and iffy job, or the girl with no kids, degree and just starting her career?

            Given the choice, no baggage preferable.

          • willbest

            Why are you limiting your QB candidates? If Pace thinks Kizer is the next Aaron Rodgers, why should he pass on him because Fox gets 3 years so says Ted?

            And while I get your point, I would counter with the second girl could easily have 75k in student loans, and credit card debt. So tread carefully with long term relationships with either.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            you pick the chick with bigger boobs.

          • SC Dave

            Look no further than the current regime in Chicago to know the truth of that last sentence.

        • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

          RG3 played some shit ball, huh?

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

            Not his rookie year. Think he was in ROY contention like Dak.

            But they don’t call Shanahon ‘the rat’ for nothing.

            He was trying to make RG3 into his WCO bootleg QB, results be damned.

            And when RG3 was playing on one knee, he still trot him out there knowing what would happen.

            Not saying RG3 is good, but he got a raw deal. He was caught in some civil war between the Owner and HC.

          • willbest

            Yeah that was fucked up. RG3 probably wasn’t going much past 30, but he got hosed out of his 2nd contract. Oh well, at least he got his subway money along with his rookie deal.

    • BerwynBomber

      I’m more for drafting one outside the first round this year. I am of the belief we could draft a QB two years in row — hence, hope like hell one of the dudes you like more is available next year.

      P.S. If the Kaaya rumors were true maybe he is a second rounder Pace can pick up then.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      HC positions are so coveted that it does not matter who the QB is, as long as there is a viable option or the option to draft. No coach is going to turn down a job because of a QB, if the rest of the lineup is close to up to par. No coach is going to sabotage the success of their current QB unless they have a viable option already on the roster, else they are an idiot(Fisher). Shanahan was able to mess with RGIII because he had drafted his backup, the problem Shanahan had was he underestimated the unhealthy relationship between RGIII and Snyder.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

        HC positions are coveted BUT some top candidates tend to be in situations where they can wait for the “ideal” situation.

        McDaniels can wait.
        Harbs can wait.
        Fill-in-the-Blank top college HC can wait.

        The same exact thing happened with Pace who was headhunted by various teams for years, but decided to wait it out in NO until he saw his golden opportunity.

        A lot of ppl even on this board would pass on Kizer, and I’m sure there’s more than a few good HCs who feel that way too.

        So, again, why limit our field?

        (and never mind that we would essentially waste relatively cheap yr of a franchise QB)

        If we had the #1 overall and some transcendent QB like Elway or Luck, or even Winston and Mariotta were there, then I’d be ok with that, but this next specific class supposedly doesn’t have that caliber of QB at the top.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          Agree drafting a QB anytime after the 1st I would be fine with it. Easier to walk away from a 2nd rounder or later.

        • willbest

          QB’s that people didn’t believe in enough to draft them #1: Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Brady, Carr, RBerger.

          Peyton, Luck and Cam Newton consensus #1 picks are one thing. But you also end up with Russell, Bortles, RG3, Sanchez going in the top 5 when they shouldn’t either. If Emery ever revealed the reason he didn’t draft Wilson was he didn’t have his HC in place yet, my head would explode.

  • willbest

    If the Cowboys cut Romo, I think I would like to roll with Romo/Barkley next year, and somebody Pace drafts at the top of the 3rd. I would also want a tackle in the first two picks, along with a FS or CB.

    • WP34

      Would Miami be interested in Romo

      • willbest

        My thought on Romo is you have to assume
        1) Even if he stays upright, you only get him for a couple years
        2) You expect him to take half the season off.

        This does not bode well if you aren’t backing him up with promising talent. So who is Miami going to back him up with.

        • That Guy

          The injury issue with with Tannehill makes that really interesting. Could be that Tannehill still needs a month or two when the season starts. You play Romo till he gets hurt or sucks, then you rotate your old guy back in.

          I’ve never seen that happen and doubt I will for a host of financial and coaching reasons, but it would interesting to see.

          • BerwynBomber

            Tannenhill only suffered sprains. He will be fine by next year. In fact, he might even play their finale. Probably depends on whether MIA is still in the hunt for the second WC.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            he might be fine in time for the playoffs, if they make it.

    • MB30SD

      You. Are. Insane.

      So you want to trade cutler for a more brittle, older version or… culter. smhayw

      • beninnorcal

        Just say no.. to Romo.

      • willbest

        Tony Romo’s career passer rating is 97. Cutler’s is 85.

        • MB30SD

          same guy. you’ll just get romo for even fewer games.

          the guy’s had like 342 back surgeries already will, you do NOT take a guy like that.

          He done! (whether he knows it or not)

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Yes but Romo does things that drive a teams fans insane and at times leaves them in awe of some crazy good throws/games. He’s basically Cutler on steroids.

        • BerwynBomber

          Agreed. Significant difference between Romo and Cutler in level of QB … mainly in sheer productivity. (And Romo was also better at ad-libbing than Cutler in their respective primes.)

          But he’s had so many freaking serious injuries that he makes Cutler appear healthy/durable. I like the dude, he seems to be classy in the way he has handled the Dak thing, but it’s probably time for him to retire.

  • DaMurph

    Kizer is entering the draft, Id take him!

    • BillW

      ND QBs rarely work out – with one obvious massive exception.

      • DaMurph

        TWO, Theisman had a nice career

    • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

      I’d definitely take Kizer….if we played in the MAC.

      • DaMurph

        Come on man!

  • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

    Thank God Dickerson will be back in the stands now.

    Lots of seats to choose from.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18264535/eric-dickerson-says-attend-los-angeles-rams-games-jeff-fisher-fired

    • BearDown100393

      Dickerson needs a hobby.

      • WP34

        IMO – he is a closet Fudge fan.

  • BerwynBomber

    Ignominious stat of the week:

    With their six TDs yesterday ATL has scored more TDs at LA Memorial Coliseum than the Rams have scored there the entire year.

    • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

      I thought it would be Wilson’s five interceptions in Green Bay.

    • MB30SD

      wow, that’s some shit right there. damn.

  • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

    RG3 animation in this article is some shit – damn he looks awful

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/dec/12/robert-griffin-iii-cleveland-browns-return-nfl

    • BillW

      Played through the same injury that Cutler sat out with in the NFCC against GB.

      Some speculate he didn’t want to come out because he might be criticized like Jay was.

      Who knows how accurate that all is, but I’ve always figured there was a lot to it.

      • BerwynBomber

        RGIII’s initial knee injuries did him no favors but what killed his career was his inability to avoid big hits and his decision making and accuracy. Defensive players teed off him when broke the pocket. He was always an injury waiting to happen.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

          RG3 had that Vick gene where every hit looked like his body broke in half.

          I think their competitiveness worked against them sometimes (Steve Young had that same issue, and why he suffered like a million concussions).

          However, if RG3 bulks up a bit and runs a system catered to his strength, should help.

          Personally, I think he’s ruined by now. Salvaging him would be like when all those teams tried to salvage Vick.

  • BillW

    I’m not on here regularly anymore, but I try to skim through the threads.

    Cheesy gone?

    The Yes Guy too?

    • That Guy

      I saw the yes guy not too long ago. I’m can’t read everything myself anymore either.

      Cheesy, I can’t remember. Maybe for Packers week.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

      Once Cutler left, Cheesy left.

      I actually think his last post was, ‘now that Cutler is gone, this place won’t be as fun anymore’

      Cheesy was the biggest cutler fan on a Bears blog.

      Ironic, eh?

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, Cheesy was always more invested in Cutler than the was Rodgers.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

          It’s like if Batman dies.
          The one who would probably mourn the most is the Joker.

          • MB30SD
          • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

            Bane Cat!

          • MB30SD

            dabezd

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Have you seen a recent picture of cat woman? Yikes.

          • MB30SD

            no, please do oblige

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

            Yikes good or yikes bad?

            Guess it depends on which cat chick.

          • MB30SD

            exactly my thought.

        • BearDown100393

          Cheesy lit the fire to Vadgers’ home and didn’t call State Farm.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Good riddance to another fricken troll.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

          He wasn’t so bad compared to the trolls Data attracted, and they were BEARS fan.

          Cheezy was all up inside GP though..intellectually…

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quf0q3ABb7I

          • AlbertInTucson

            Disagree.

            A) He didn’t think he WAS a troll, and his disappearing act only confirms that status and it AIN’T because Cutler’s gone it’s because the Packers went into a 4 week tailspin.

            B) Some folks ’round here didn’t treat him like the troll his was/is.

          • CanadaBear

            He was as nice a troll as you can expect but he was still a troll.

          • BerwynBomber

            Cheesy was fun. Trolled stupidly at times but also told some uncomfortable, amusing truths. I’ll never forget him calling out Waffle when the latter complained the Bears O didn’t tackle well enough on Cutty’s INTs.

            I suspect he will make one final appearance if Cutty is indeed let go/traded in the offseason.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      hmmm, that’s why it’s been so nice around here. However, I miss Cheesy.

    • Irish Sweetness

      And where’s Doc?

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

    Here’s an idea, and I don’t know if it’s already done, but if I were GM I would pay A LOT of $ to get the opinion of top minds on QBs.

    For instance, I’d find out who was responsible for wanting Carr on the Raiders. Was it some lowly scout? Was it their GM (if so, heyyyyy buddyy…lemme buy u a beer over some free golf)?

    Who scouted Wilson? Who was highest on Dak?

    Hey, Harbs, which QBs you like? Here’s a lifetimes supplies of free Khakis

    I’d be interviewing anyone who had positive grades on QBs who succeeded, esp those out of the first.

    And on the flip side, I’d avoid like the plague those who highly graded busts like Bortles, Gabbert, etc.

    I’d probably limit the think-tank to the past 5-6 drafts so no need to see what Chucky thought of Rich Gannon and shit.

    • MB30SD

      like this idea. wonder if it’s realistic. i.e., does the NFL culture support something like this, or is that shit looked at as ‘trade secrets’

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

        I think there is some of it cuz the NFL is incestuous like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon.

        But yeah, don’t know exactly how that works.

        For instance, the Raiders shouldn’t have any issue really to us drafting a top QB.

        We play them like once every 4 years or whatever, and the chances of both meeting in the SB? .oooooo1% (esp on OUR end).

        In fact, if I’m the Raiders, I’d WANT the Bears drafting a top QB instead of say Broncos or Chargers.

        On the other end, don’t expect any help from the Pack or even NFC teams, but maybe.

        Also, if it’s some regional scout on another team or something, would paying him a “consultant” fee violate agreements? Dunno.

        Maybe off the record, like take em to a strip bar and make it rain in the “champagne” room for some info on the next class.

        • MB30SD

          let’s try it… fuck it. whatever we’ve been doing since sid luckman just hasn’t worked.

          • willbest

            Yeah I mean all it took for the Bears to have a world class QB was reinvent the position.

    • BerwynBomber

      I wonder if teams pay Gruden for a confidential version of his Gruden QB camp results.

      DBBers seem to hate the guy — I actually think he’s a first-class mind save the ESPN shtick — but this was a coach who turned Gannon into an MVP, won an SB with Brad Johnson, and was there for early, developmental years of Favre.

      That said, even a guy like Gruden probably has his draft misses.

      Btw, we have thus far heard that Pace has liked Mariota and Wentz, and was apparently looking for the right opportunity to pick up Barkley off the street. Doesn’t mean Pace can’t miss in the draft either but at least gives some reassurance.

      • MB30SD

        it’s the espn shtick that kills me. Or maybe it’s just his personality. I’m sure the football mind part is there. Hmmm, maybe if he’d just write it down instead of talking…. on fucking Int’l TV for god’s sake.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I love Gruden. He knows his shit.

  • willbest

    “I will say this. And some will call me Ollie Optimism.” – Jeff

    I can’t say I am all that optimistic about this team. Young is solid in rotation. Floyd is pointing upwards. But we have a question mark at every DB position, and one ILB spot. McPhee may return to form. Goldman can’t stay healthy even if Hicks is a beast and while Unrein is an all pro FB, he seems like a JAG at DE.

    Then over on the offensive side of the ball you don’t even have a unit if you have questions at QB, even if we have a pro-bowl RB, the best interior line in the league, and a pro-bowl WR in Jeffery along with solid pass catching TEs Miller and this Brown kid. They still need to address WR2, and of course its going to be White because he was drafted to be WR#1 so they didn’t have to pay Jeffery. But he doesn’t seem to have the IQ he needs, and he is brittle.

    Special Teams… Barth seems to have gotten up to serviceable after a bumpy start but we still need a new Punter and returner.

    I can’t see competing until 2018 and that assumes we find our QB in 2017.

    • CanadaBear

      I could see Meredith at WR2. Who knows about White. Certainly not counting on him being anything but JAG at this point. Q can’t stay on the field so he probably won’t be back. If they bring back Bellamy they have officially lost their minds.

      • willbest

        Bellamy seems okay as a gunner. What he is is an WR#5 being pressed into service as a WR#2. Lord knows why Thompson is around now. he is a WR#6 playing WR#3 and he isn’t even a good returner.

    • That Guy

      If we didn’t have a lot of room for improvement, we would have won more games.

      The question is: which players arrows are pointing up and which player’s arrows are pointing down. I don’t think there is a man on the roster who should not feel like his spot isn’t up for competition. Even guys like Unrein and Howard that are playing great should feel like they will be competing next year – if not for a roster spot, then for snaps.

    • BerwynBomber

      I would say CB looks solid for this team next year. Porter, Callahan, LeBlanc, Fuller and Hall. Arguably not a #1 between them, but they look like they can all to a degree play, albeit Hall is still unproven.

      Anyway, you can roll with that. Safety, OTOH, seems like a perpetual black hole.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        CB looks solid???? you should put down the bong, you have smoked too much. We have a handful of backups.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

        We have a lot of CBs, but none of them are consistent.

        Luckily, it’s supposed to be a deep CB class.

        Whenever it’s a ‘deep’ anything, many teams tend to shy away from that position in the top 10

      • Irish Sweetness

        Agreed. But I think Hall had shown he can play, he’s young. Don’t need to be drafting corners. OT/DE/S/WR.

  • BuddhaJoe

    I think one more draft could actually put this team in contention. Sure, you could point to every position group and say they could be improved, but every team has holes. You need a QB, CB, S, and TE for sure, but they have at least some talent everywhere else.

    • BuddhaJoe

      A dominant OT would be nice too, I should add, but Leno has been mostly OK and even Massie hasn’t been terrible.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Mostly ok isn’t good enough. He’s ALWAYS been a backup for me. He’s not a force. We need to draft a LT high.

        We look to have a semi-decent team when healthy, but it was always going to be about next season. I hope they don’t do something stupid now like fire Fox.

  • BerwynBomber

    Funny how the Ravens’ offense and season turned around once they canned Trestman.

    • willbest

      The mystery was why they ever hired him in the first place.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        it was a deal that Flacco and Lewis made years ago with the Devil. Payment finally came due.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He’s better than the guy they have now. A bubble-screen offense?

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  • Huge Bears Penis

    CD making plays on STs

    • MB30SD

      where he always should have been.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Leave it to bellicheat to find a use for him. The man’s a genius.

        • MB30SD

          agree. I think he would have been great on Specials…

          As our starting fucking IMLB… um, no.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            he should have been left on the draft board.

          • MB30SD

            well, yes. that too.

            He just made a tackle 7 yards downfield…. ahhhh, the good old days.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Having said all this, the dudes still living the dream. I’d take special teams and a role playing gig on a Super Bowl caliber team any day of the week.

          • MB30SD

            Oh totally. We just misused him. I would have taken him as a special teams contributor…. In the 20th Rd.

            Specials team indeed

  • BerwynBomber

    Shea with the jump the center block FG.

    • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

      Chicken dinner’d

  • MB30SD

    jesus

  • BerwynBomber

    NE crushing another would-be contender. Yawn.

    • MB30SD

      not so fast!

  • BerwynBomber

    Speculation is that one of the reasons the Rams fired Fisher is that they didn’t want him breaking the all-time losses record.

    I hate lame moves like that. Didn’t the White Sox once sit Adam Dunn when he was going to break the all-time whiff record in a season?

  • A Most Excellent Dude (GP)

    Flacco’d

  • BearDown100393

    Watching Devin run now is like watching Ali climb into the ring against Holmes.

  • BearDown100393

    Gruden: Flacco normally hits that.

    No he doesn’t.

  • MB30SD

    that’s a fucking stupid flag.

    seriousfuckingly?!? jesus fucking christ.

  • MB30SD

    30 is a workhorse.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yup. And Yanda’s a beast.

  • BerwynBomber

    Helluva game. Gotta give BAL credit. Never imagined they would make a game of this when it was 23-3. Fantastic fight.

    • MB30SD

      like the ravens and harbaugh(s)… ravens would be my team if I wasn’t a bears fan.

      …oh, and fuck the patriots.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, either he or Carroll gets my vote as second best HC in the league.

        • MB30SD

          agree. like carroll a lot too. besides that his niece has huge beautiful tits. (take THAT dave!)

        • Huge Bears Penis

          if the Browns win a game my vote goes to Hue Jackson for the second best HC, because I think that would be the same number of wins Belidick would have with that team.

          • BerwynBomber

            Nah. Belichick would have squeezed six wins out of those QBs they have and someone would be hugely overpaying for one of them at some point.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            you are way underestimating the level of suckitude the Browns have.

          • BerwynBomber

            and you’re way underestimating the ‘chick. Fuck, he had Shay leaping a C tonight and blocking a FG. and earlier in the year, he had jacoby brisette on three days notice beating the Texans.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            maybe he gets 2 wins. no more than that

  • BerwynBomber

    Well, that hurts …

    • MB30SD

      fucking brutal. can’t do that against brady man, just can’t

  • BerwynBomber

    Didn’t know Flacco has had five OCs in five years …

    • Huge Bears Penis

      4.25 in 5. Tresticle only counts as .25 of an OC.

  • BerwynBomber

    Flacco taking way too long there and too much underneath.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    Tucker did his CD impression on that onside.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Did you see CD’s FG block? Insane. Bellicheat finds him a home. ST.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    watching postgame as the idiots are taking turns jerking off Brady.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Brady was brutal at points in that game.

  • RenoBear

    So check it out.. A lot of people are just completely stuck in the “Barkley is nothing more than an NFL backup QB” camp. He may very well be, but he’s also a 26 year old QB who has 3 career starts that he could easily be 3-0 in. If he was a Pace 4th round draft pick, EVERYBODY would be fuckin stoked. But apparently, since all these other coaches on these other teams said he didn’t have ‘IT’ and never let him play etc. and he was let go… Is it possible that these other coaches were wrong? Football coaches are not ALL geniuses. The main knock is lack of arm strength. But his intangibles are great so far. And that goes a lot further than arm strength (looking at you, Jay.)

    I get it, teams will get tape on him blah blah blah and he’ll struggle. But I don’t get the complete lack of any kind of hope that maybe the kid can play. I think coaches and fans get so caught up in whatever the best measurables are, height, arm strength etc… and just forget there are exceptions to these rules. I hope Barkley shoves that football right up all the experts asses with his play. He seems like a genuinely good kid, and it’s undeniable that he has confidence and some moxie out there. Guarantee he’d be 3-0 with a WR1 WR2 and WR3…. Not the shit show WR4, 5, and 6, (Meredith excluded, had a few drops, but clearly best of the bunch and should be a WR3 next year).

    All I know is this… I’m enjoying the hell out of these last few games, the Lions game actually hurt because the refs jobbed us so bad, but I hadn’t felt any pain from this Bears team for a month or two, so I’ll take it. It felt great to get out of the general apathy, and it feels fucking great to have a younger kid with unknown potential (good or bad) under center. I’ll take it. He’s the anti- Cutler. I love it. This team is growing and I’m looking forward to the ride. Bear the fuck down

    • willbest

      I like Barkley as our #2 next year and possibly #1 if Pace wants to draft a 2nd or 3rd round developmental QB and have a camp competition. I loathe this Butch nonsense of making Barkley QB1 and bring Hoyer back to be his backup.

      • MB30SD

        That’s me too. Numbers don Ly

        300/2/0 in 2017 baby!!

        But you don’t make anybody anything… They all gots to eeeaaaarn it!

        • Huge Bears Penis

          Fuck Hoyer!!!

          • MB30SD

            That hurt

        • Irish Sweetness

          Numbers do lie though, that’s the thing. They have some people believing Hoyer is an NFL QB. He’s not.

          • MB30SD

            He is he is!!! Pair those glorious numbers with a good D and good specials and guess what happens…. Shhhhhhhh… You start to win games.

            That’s what happens when you don’t throw the ball or drop it on the ground for the other team.

          • willbest

            Except Hoyer’s historical numbers are 220/1.4/0.8. So good for you for using the best 4 game stretch of his career. Here are numbers that don’t lie either. He averaged 16 ppg and went 1-3 while he averaged 300/2/0. So you don’t need a good D with Hoyer you need an elite D and great special teams.

          • MB30SD

            historic. please will, don’t bring that here. You’re badgering the witness counselor.

            What in thee fuck have you done for me lately.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Hmmm, what has Hoyer done for us lately….lost 3 games.

          • MB30SD

            well, he’s been on the sideline…

            …so by that logic, so has doooon’t caaaare. And #barkleytime for that matter. So scrap the whole group?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Why in the name of all that is holy would anyone sign Hoyer to be #2 when he can’t play football. Not the whole game anyway, not the necessary throws. You could train a monkey to throw a checkdown on every pass. It’s not football. Football is hitting a WR on a 15 and out for a first down. Hoyer can’t do that.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd IplayHard2!(Butch)

      Neanderthals get too hung up on “arm strength”
      Same peeps were dissing Hoyer when all he did was string together 300 yd games, 120QB rating while minimizing sacks, turnovers and keeping our D off the field to rest in sustained drives.

      But nope, he didn’t throw it to Alshon enough, or didn’t scramble enough, or didn’t chuck it 40 ydds off his back feet (how’d that work out for Cutty?)

      They’ll bring up red zone efficiency when the rest of the Bears keep fucking that up with penalties, dropped passes, fumbles, etc. Same shit that happened with Barkley.

      Only real difference I see between them is that Barkley takes a bit more deep shots (not many, and when he does, they’re not exactly zipped) but he’s also made more throws that prolly should’ve been INTd.

      I see hope in both, maybe more so with the younger Devil we don’t know in Barkley, but this team has come close to winning multiple weeks in a row with both at the helm.

      If our team overall makes more plays, causes more TOs, less drops, less penalties, boneheaded specials, some of those razor thin losses should turn into wins with either.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        Barkley is willing and able to throw it more than 12 yards. Problem with Hoyer is you are required to be almost perfect in all other aspects of the game. Yes you are going to get the 10+ play drives that go 80 yards but a lot of the time you are going to only get a FG. Hoyer has never been able to put a team on his back and quickly score when needed. He also usually only looks at 1/2 the field. He is not hard to figure out. Look right not there, dump it, is his MO. Right now I would rather go into next season with Barkley and a 2nd/3rd round draft choice. Hoyer is a quality backup, but if he is on the team next year and we end up having to play him we are not winning many games. I would rather have a draft pick play and get experience.

        With that said I am not totally sold on Barkley but if he keeps his playing like he has for the rest of the year, I’m in.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hoyer can’t make important and necessary throws for first downs or hit WRs streaking down the field. That disqualifies him from being an NFL QB in my book. He just can’t do it, numbers/stats are for losers. He refuses to make/can’t make difficult throws – take your pick. Anyone who could get semi-excited about Hoyer .. .I don’t know… it’s like pissing on legendary QBs who may not have won a bunch of rings but could play the game of football. Hoyer cannot.

        Barkley OTOH looks decent, so does Shaw, so does Fales. They’ve all shown they can play a bit.

        Question: do you pay Barkley 18M next season?

      • willbest

        16 ppg and 1-3. Just keep repeating that until you go insane. That is Hoyer. Your other stats are just window dressing on his utterly shit performance as a Bear. Otherwise please use his career starter stats which are 220/1.4/0.8

  • Captain Obvious

    So we’re all agreed that Whitehair in the 2nd round was a great pick?

  • Fisherman695

    Bears 5th pick in draft.QB or trade down, have several holes to fill.

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