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Peanut Belongs In The Hall of Fame

| July 20th, 2016

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Administrative Note: This will be the first of 300 columns with the same headline.

When the 2021 NFL Hall of Fame Class is announced, Charles Tillman’s name should be on the list.

It’s not going to happen. Tillman spent his career being thought of as just a local hero even though he played in a major media market on a team that regularly had one of the best defenses in the NFL. While Tillman was one of the best players in the NFL, he was never really recognized for it.

Charles Woodson is a lock to be on that list. Tillman was a better player.

Woodson was most known for his ability to take the ball away, but he wasn’t necessarily better at that than Tillman. Woodson had a combined 98 interceptions and forced fumbles in 254 games. Peanut had 82 in 168 games. If you were to average that out to a 16 game season, Tillman would’ve averaged nearly eight per season, compared to around six for Woodson.

Woodson had more interceptions, but even there the difference isn’t great. Woodson averaged 4.1 interceptions per 16 games, while Tillman was at 3.6. While he could take the ball away, Woodson wasn’t nearly as good in coverage as Tillman was (the Packers typically put Tramon Williams on the other team’s best receiver).

Tillman went through his entire career underrated because of the untrue stigma that he was just a Cover 2 corner. Never mind the fact that he was terrific as a rookie before Lovie Smith took over as the Bears coach or that neither of Lovie’s best two defensive coordinators — Ron Rivera and Rod Marinelli — actually ran that much Cover 2.

You can ask another guy who is likely to be on that 2021 list, Calvin Johnson, about Tillman’s ability to play man coverage. Tillman regularly shut Johnson down. He did the same to Randy Moss, who finished with under 35 yards in two of their three meetings while Moss was in his prime.

But Tillman never got the credit. Instead it went to Urlacher, Briggs and Lovie, when it’s entirely possible Tillman was the best of the bunch. I partially blame the local Chicago media for simply not recognizing what they were seeing. To this day, some of them don’t realize the error of their ways.

Tillman finally got recognition in 2012 when he should’ve been the Defensive Player of the Year, forcing 10 fumbles, intercepting three passes and scoring three touchdowns. But it was too little too late. Injuries pretty kept Tillman off the field most of the next three seasons, although he still had a combined 10 Peanut Punches and interceptions in 22 games.

Tillman had a chance to win the Super Bowl last year, but for a third straight season, he ended up in IR. That was it, he called it a career. It was a Hall of Fame career, even if he never gets honored there.

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  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    Woodson was a shutdown talent at CB, he moved to safety, he helped a team win a SB. Tillman was a scheme player who had a knack for drawing fumbles. Minus the highlights of him on Megatron and Moss, his coverage skills were not in the same class as Woodson. Woodson was elite talent, Tillman was good near great talent.

    • MB30SD

      Agree. And as I’ve said a few times… even though that cunt Woodson was a disgusting packer, I’ve got nuthing but the utmost respect for that dude. Homie was a MACK till the day he retired.

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        except when he rolled up on Forte’s ankle on purpose trying to break his leg. For a guy with that much body control that was pretty dirty. Fuckem.

        And for that reason alone I hope someone on our D fucking snaps Rodgers in half this year.

        • CanadaBear

          Forgot about that one! That was dirty as hell.

        • MB30SD

          yeah, heat of battle my maings. Guy’s obviously a cunt to be able to play for those cunts for so long. Those cunts are cunteriffic, fucking cunts.

          You get my point. And agree with your last sentence.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      If you think Woodson was a shutdown corner, or even anywhere near close to it, you didn’t watch him. He was regularly abused in coverage and only got away with it because of his ability to make turnovers.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If you shut down CJ and Randy Moss, you are a shutdown corner. He may not have been asked to pay like that a lot, but he was a shutdown corner. Even Revis gets toasted by the little guys.

  • BearDown100393

    Uh no.

  • The ultimate Tillman stat: look what he did to Megatron in 2012. That year, Megatron smashed the yardage record for a receiver in a season (by over 200 yards).

    In 2 games against Tillman, Megatron caught 8/25 targets for 106 yards. In his other 14 games, he averaged 8 catches (on 13 targets) and 132 yards per game.

    Against Tillman, Megatron caught 32% of his targets for 4.2 yards per target. Against everybody else, he caught 63% of his targets for 10.3 yards per target.

    System corner my ass.

    • Irish Sweetness

      This is the best argument for Peanut, what he did to Randy and Megatron. If you shut down the best, you are the best.

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  • That said, Tillman won’t get the HOF. He’s a borderline candidate, IMO, but two things hold him back:

    1) His lack of recognition early in his career.

    2) His late-career injuries.

    It wasn’t until 2011/2012 that he was recognized as one of the best CB in the game, and then his last 3 years were all ruined by injury. If he had stayed healthy and productive until now, he’d have a chance. But he didn’t, so he doesn’t.

    • and from his contemporaries, Charles Woodson, Ed Reed, Champ Bailey, Darrelle Revis are all (rightly) seen as better DBs. Just like with Forte, Tillman was very good for a long time, but rarely the absolute best, and as such there are enough contemporaries ahead of him that he won’t get in.

      • SC Dave

        Are you saying that Forte has contemporaries that will keep him out, or just the part about ‘rarely the absolute best’?

        My opinion is that Matt has a better chance, but like Tillman, needs a handful more strong seasons to make it.

        • Bender McLugh

          Forte had most yards from scrimmage for how many years?

          • SC Dave

            He is #1 overally since he entered the NFL, but maybe one single season as #1.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But at running back you get compared to O.J., Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders et al. As a runner, he’s not at the races with those guys.

          • Bender McLugh

            You know what the difference is between OJ Simpson & William “The Refrigerator” Perry?

          • Bobby Douglass

            Perry never killed anybody?

          • Bender McLugh

            BOOM! well done sir

        • AP is one contemporary who’s clearly better. But generally there aren’t many great RBs anymore.

          My point with Forte more is that he’s really good for a long time, but rarely seen as one of the best. He’s never been 1st or 2nd team All Pro, meaning he’s never been viewed as one of the top 4 RBs in the NFL for a single year (though he should have been in 2013). Tough to justify HOF for a player like that.

          Same with Tillman. Only All-Pro 1x. Very good for a long time, not the best for long enough. You have to be the best for many years to be a HOFer.

  • CanadaBear

    Give Peanut a big WR like Moss or Megatron to cover and he more than held up his end of the bargain. Give Peanut a small, fast WR and it got pretty dicey. Peanut is my favorite Bear since Mike Brown so it’s not like i’m trying to diss him. I don’t see how he gets in the HOF. Besides everything else, the Beloved have the most players in the HOF and I think the voters are well aware of that.

    • MB30SD

      This is why I love you canada…. Not the other stuff.

      • MB30SD

        not the other stuff was a joke btw…

        • You’re about to get Jericho’d

          you always overexplain your best ones….

          • MB30SD

            I know. I didn’t want to hurt Canada’s feelings… he’s canadian now and not used to our gruffness.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            quite thoughtful and …. dare I say Canadian of you????

          • MB30SD

            mmmm, yes…. quite.

          • willbest

            They have had 3 stabbings over the last couple days in Ottawa. Sure its not Chicago level of gruffness, but they do have a dark side up there.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            I had to stab 3 people walking to work from the parking lot today.

        • CanadaBear

          I had that figured out!

  • You’re about to get Jericho’d

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/20/amini-silatolu-set-for-visit-with-bears/#comment-5134934
    Silatolu coming in for a visit. Hope he doesn’t tear his ACL walking into the meeting.

    • willbest

      The Slausen mystery continues.

      • MB30SD

        the truth is that we just don’t know what’s going on. Pace doesn’t strike me as a guy who makes a dumb mistake just because.

        So maybe something will shake out during the season that will make us go… Ahhhhhh!

        • willbest

          Well if there is a freak accident, you can’t predict those, but if he is getting beat on the regular that is something else. Though I think the Chargers brought him in to play center.

          • MB30SD

            hmmm, I was rather thinking a publicly unknown injury concern or something more akin to that will.

        • SC Dave

          It’s awful early to discount the idea of Pace making dumb moves.

          • Scharfinator

            I think the point is that we don’t know yet.

          • MB30SD

            thanka sir

    • CanadaBear

      2 ACL tears. YIKES!

    • MB30SD

      hahahaha

    • Bender McLugh

      seen in comments:

      “Waffle 2.0 says:
      Jul 20, 2016 11:35 AM
      That’s a lot of ligament tearing.”

      moonlighter!

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        haha, I post on sites where I can remember the passwords I used.

  • MB30SD

    can we switch them out? What’s the difference, except one’s a KNOWN asshole, but they both have the same amount of experience.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/opinions/trump-junior-better-candidate-stanley/index.html

    • willbest

      There is not a job on this planet that will prepare you for POTUS. Even going from VP to President is like being the starting QB in the Super Bowl the week after you just won the BCS or whatever they call it now.

      The best you can hope for is the person is
      1) Decisive
      2) Knows who to trust, and when to trust them
      3) A strong leader.
      4) Handles pressure well (which is a subset but an important one of #3)

      When I was young and knew everything I expected that from my leaders. Now that I am older realize
      1) That is impossible
      2) The Federal government is so large and has so much inertia nothing outside a catastrophic shock is going to move it and that neither candidate no mater how detestable the other side believes, is that shocking.

      • MB30SD

        truth

      • AlbertInTucson

        Trump would be the ULTIMATE outsider.

        No one in Congress owes him squat and they’d just freeze him out.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny
  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    BTW, Wikileaks is about to distribute a torrent with about half a million emails from inside Turkey’s government on the government email server, including Erdogan’s account.

    It purports to show that the coup was entirely staged and fake as part of a plan to purge the country of dissidents. Most of whom are secular.

    It may further ignite a NATO response.

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      that would be fucking crazy if true.

    • willbest

      Isn’t wikileaks supposed to be a propaganda arm of Putin in some way? Or is that just the angry neo-cons talking? I don’t really pay attention to all that.

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny
      • Sactowns#1

        They’re actually one of the few good guys out there. They don’t care about political leanings, just pure govt transparency.
        Hopefully sometime in the near future there will be no secrets in the world.

        • willbest

          FOIA made sense when computers sucked. I want a system where any non active deal automatically goes into a searchable database unless its classified. Classified would be a designation given to a grand jury and last for no more than 5 years where it could be renewed for up to 30 years.

          • Sactowns#1

            Here here!

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    Google felt I may like this article. Now I am curious what metatags my account has.

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/positions/g5929/blow-job-sex-positions-give-you-an-orgasm/

    • Bender McLugh

      “Content Blocked: Adult Content”

      Dangit all, I should have known!

      • willbest

        Its a list of 5 BJ positions to try.

        • Bender McLugh

          so says my innerness security team…..

    • willbest

      Oh gonna have to try #2.

    • MB30SD

      hahahaha…

      “let him use his fingers or a favorite toy on your womanly parts.”

      who in thee fuck writes these things?! SMH

      That said, I’m ALLL about the double down!

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    Here’s a cool graph that Data should like:

    http://www.footballperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/tillman.png

    95 players with either 20+ interceptions or 15+ forced fumbles from ’03 to ’15.

    That really puts it in perspective. He was averaging about 4 picks a year his whole career. But the fumble thing is really all him.

    • willbest

      But he won’t get in for the same reason Hester won’t. Best CB at force fumbles in the NFL is too specialized.

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        At least 4 seasons went by here on Da Blog with people crowing Tillman needed to move to safety. But the guy was a zone corner, and being a C2 zone corner means you have outside contain against the run and you can’t be gambling and jumping routes like Woodson used to do. As a result, he has 15 or so less interceptions across his career.

        It’s really of a story of a guy who was GREAT in the system he was in, but never transcended that system.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I think he would have been a great safety. Ed Reed/ Polamalu type.

          • CanadaBear

            Until he was IR’d over and over and over. His body couldn’t hold up to playing CB. Playing FS would just have accelerated the end.

    • willbest

      The other thing I saw on that list is Deanglo Hall is starting to separate himself on that list, and a large part of that is the 5-6 picks he has against Jay Cutler.

    • Saw that yesterday. Pretty awesome, he’s definitely an outlier. Only player in NFL history with 35+ INT and 40+ FF.

      Hell, no other DB has more than 23 FF since Tillman joined the NFL in 2003, he has 44. His FF peers are pass rushers who get their fumbles by hitting unsuspecting QBs.

      • SC Dave

        Or suspecting QBs

      • Irish Sweetness

        As a human being AND a player, he deserves in. When you have a move named after you, it should follow that you get in the Hall.

    • SC Dave

      The cool part of that is the outliers. Mathis, Peppers, Tilman, Woodson. Goodo company to be sure.

  • MB30SD
  • MB30SD

    **long gasp of utter disbelief!!**

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/brock-lesnar-fails-second-drug-test-at-ufc-200/ar-BBuwQae?li=BBnb7Kz

    (raises outstretched fingertips of both hands with thumbs tucked slowly to lips and look to the upper right with pursed lips)

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      “Lesnar released a statement regarding the first drug test failure, saying “we will get to the bottom of this” while also maintaining that all of his previous tests administered came back negative.”
      “Lesnar,released a statement regarding the second drug test failure, saying “they have gotten to the bottom of this for us” while standing there obviously pumped full of the shit Bane uses to get huge before fighting Batman.”

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        Lesnar does not look like a human. He looks like a Warcraft Orc or Hellboy or something

        • willbest

          Wasn’t he tapped to play Thrall in the upcoming Warcraft movie?

          ed. oh it was released a month and a half a go.

    • Sactowns#1

      Wait… you mean people aren’t supposed to be 90% neck and torso? I had no idea.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “I’m shocked, SHOCKED, to find that gambling going on in here”.-Capt. Louis Renault (Claude Rains) CASABLANCA.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    Love Peanut. But he couldn’t cover the small shifty receivers. I think even in retirement he’s still trying to locate the jock Steve Smith juked him out of back in the day (2005 i think?)

    • beninnorcal

      In the playoffs, to boot.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      Those were blown safety coverages.

  • MB30SD

    Olivian Newton John’s daughter is pretty hot. She’s a little heavy on the plastiques, but you fuckers know I likes me that.

    9.5!

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/olivia-newton-johns-daughter-chloe-lattanzi-slams-body-shamers/ar-BBu8xzd

    • CanadaBear

      Pretty. Fake. Not for me.

      • SC Dave

        I’d still do momma tho. Especially if she chose to pay for my tour of the world. It would be sad to have to serve as her ‘escort’, but I’d get over it.

      • MB30SD

        understood.

        I tend to be a very understanding and compassionate man canada. I would be able to look past all of her shortcomings and provide her with play-zure. I am just a mench like that I guess.

        • CanadaBear

          Oh, I get that! I was trying to overlook the fake boobs (not an easy task) but then when I saw those lips were up about 15 psi, it just doesn’t work for me. Obviously, if she was willing to do me who am I to say no? And the chances of that happening are so infinitesimal it can’t be calculated by anyone on here but Doc!

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha… yeah, I’ve now dated two VERY attractive girls with psi lips. They actually don’t feel that bad while kissing, but yeah, they look silly… and obvious.

            Like, yeah, we kinda know you had those done.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Technically she has small breasts and then had them ruined by putting bags into them, but whatevs. Not a patch on her momma, she was fab.

      • MB30SD

        There is now!!!

  • StarkyLuv

    Tillman was not better than Urlacher, but he was definitely better than Briggs. I agree, he’s a Hall Of Famer.

  • TBC

    Charles Woodson also had 20 sacks that you’re ignoring. And 800 return yards. And 4 more touchdowns than Tillman.

    His career AV (pro-football reference statistic) is almost double that of Tillman’s, for what that is worth.

    Judging by most accounts, Woodson was much more vocal than Tillman and had a much larger leadership role….if you believe in that sort of thing.

    Woodson was a Heisman winner, which shouldn’t make a difference in HOF candidacy but does inflate his profile and yes, may lead others to “overrate him”.

    Charles Woodson was the heart of the Packers defense for most of his years in GB. Brian Urlacher was always the main man in Chicago.

    Charles Woodson has a DPOTY award and a Super Bowl ring. He was first team All-Pro 4 times and second team All-Pro 4 times. Charles Tillman has one All-Pro selection to his name.

    If you want to say that Charles Tillman was a much better player than he was perceived to be, I think a lot of people would agree with you. But saying he is a better player than Charles Woodson? Well, you can say that too, I guess. It’s a free country.

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      get a fucking real handle….and you’re right.

      Cheese, admit right now that Packers fans can already feel the tide turning. Isn’t it a weird feeling after so long? There is a very real possibility that the Packers split or lose a series to both the Vikes and Bears. The Lions always play the Packers tough. There is no way that this NFC North doesn’t come down to the end. Fucking dead.

      • TBC

        Yawn.

        • You’re about to get Jericho’d

          Indeed. Yawn as loud as you can to relax your throat and open as wide as you can to make room in your collective fanbase mouth because this Big Bear Penis is going to invade your very soul. It’s going to haunt you. It’s going to be a delicious season.

          • TBC

            So you’re predicting a big year for da bears? How novel of you.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hope springs eternal here!

          • TBC

            If it didn’t, you’d have no need for a troll…

            What a shame that would be.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            no sir, well kind of but more so that i’m predicting the end of the gloating from Pack fans….time to go back to the old days of winning once in a while. The Lions, Vikes and Bears will all take turns running dirty trains on the Puke.

          • TBC

            So you’re predicting a down year for da pack? How novel of you.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            not a down year necessarily, a return to normalcy. In the recent years Packers fans have grown too accustomed to having muppets coaching and playing too many important positions for the Bears. This has resulted in lopsided contests. Those contests have made Pack fans INTOLERABLE…on the same level of douchbagosity as Seahawks fans. Those fucking days are over or at the very least are starting to change dramatically.

          • TBC

            Whatever you say, Yawnie Waffle.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            At least you’ll have your stock certificate. You can stare at it like an old issue of Oui or Club while you masturbate to the good old days.

            This time it won’t be mom catching you in the act when she noticed you came home from the dance early, it will be me busting in on you and reminding you who made that stock into Kodak.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Charles wouldn’t even be the best DB called Woodson in the Hall. Mwah!

      • TBC

        But he’d be the best Charles!

        • Irish Sweetness

          Haley!

          • TBC

            Nope!

            I did consider that, though.

    • That Guy

      Peanut Tillman was a great cornerback; not a good corner, not a great cover-2 guy, a great cornerback.

      With that said, he doesn’t have the wins, the playoff pedigree or the right organization (Bears are a major market, but not a “dynasty” during Tillman’s time). Woodson has all three of those, not because he’s better, but because the teams he played on were better.

      Do I think Tillman will make the HOF? No. I think he’s an also ran. I think he deserves consideration, but I don’t think his profile is big enough to get in.

      The biggest argument in his favor? He has a move named after him in football. Dan Marino is known for the fake knee; Orlando Pace for the pancake; Odell Beckham will be known for the one handed catch. Those are three that come to mind, but even those moves aren’t known for the player. Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady are first ballot locks, and deservedly so, but is there a football move you see and instantly think “he’s trying to be Aaron Rodgers!”

      The Peanut Punch is Tillman’s on-the-field legacy (off the field he’s known for much more). If Tillman makes the HOF, the Peanut Punch is the reason why he’ll do it.

  • MB30SD

    GP, not my style, but cute… I’d give it to my daughter if someone gave it to me: http://uncrate.com/stuff/1957-bmw-507-roadster-series-i/

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      BMWs are disfavored by Porsche guys like Waffle and I. It’s an either/or thing, like Coke and Pepsi.

      It’s like when Irish prefers him some Nubian goddess and you send him a pale redhead with an attitude.

      • MB30SD

        I need to add one of those to my list. I’ve had a couple nubian goddesses .

        • You’re about to get Jericho’d

          I can introduce you to several pale, very pretty, kind of mean spirited irish girls I know.

          • MB30SD

            yes please. I’ll be in Chi in fall-ish. Set me up. I have yet to have a true redhead with milky thighs and a tightly trimmed red quaff. um, yes please.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Look up Molly Ringwald. Euch.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            haha, naw, i just googled “hot freckled redheads” and my computer almost melted. I didn’t type in “awkward redheads that maybe i’d sleep with but only after a pint of Powers.”

          • MB30SD

            Hahaha, I would have done her in her 20s

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            that kind of sounds like an escort service.

          • MB30SD

            I can neither confirm, nor deny these alegations.

            …and yes, I still want to be “introduced” to your irish girl “friends”

          • CanadaBear

            I think he glossed over the mean spirited part. MB should be afraid, very afraid!

        • Irish Sweetness

          Photographic inducements please.

          • MB30SD

            Hahahaha I’d text you one good one if I could irish

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        speaking of Porsche I have a bead on a 2001 911 with 108,000 miles but IMS Bearing already done in 2014, new clutch at the end of 2014, new tires. They are asking 16,900 but I have a feeling that the water pump and exhaust need to be addressed so I’m going to walk in there with13,500 in caish to see if they bite. Very excite.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Ginger minge? Euch.

    • SC Dave

      Cars… meh

      • MB30SD

        to each their own dave. and you know this!

  • MB30SD

    anyone see Henry Hardcore? Worth the $14 Amazon Prime is asking me to shell out?

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      don’t do it MB, go with a classic that you’ve never seen….or at least something with Steven Seagal from 1988-1992 (The Golden Years)
      1. Above the Law
      2. Hard To Kill
      3. Marked For Death
      5. Under Seige
      5. Under Seige

      • MB30SD

        You KNOW what my favorite scene in #5 and #5 is… YOU… KNOOOOW!

        • You’re about to get Jericho’d

          When Busey dresses like that stripper and then shoots the MP in the face to get to the Commander?

          • MB30SD

            YES!!!!

            You know me so well!

        • Sactowns#1

          I just watched the original The Mechanic. It was so-so. Ash vs the Evil Dead is a great series as is Strange Things.

          • MB30SD

            you guys are fucking careening off course for fuck sake.

            Yes/No on HH?!

      • Irish Sweetness

        I present for the jury, Rob Schneider on Steven Seagal.

    • Sactowns#1

      The guys on Half in the Bag said it was terrible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ioit5DWsWsw

      • MB30SD

        those two are such fucking geeks.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The one that looks like a FPS video game? Ouch.

      BFG for the kids maing!

      • MB30SD

        meh, looks lame and got panned a bit by the critics… good?

  • CanadaBear
  • beninnorcal

    MB, Hardcore Henry didn’t get the best reviews but I intend to watch it anyway. Looks like something new and it’s probably, at the very least, entertaining.

  • AlbertInTucson

    July 20, 1969:

    Commander, Neil Armstrong: “Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed.”

    Talk about balls the size of grapefruits!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Good call, Al. Neil landing the bird with seconds of fuel left. Titanic testicles.

      Highly recommend ‘In the shadow of the moon’ as an excellent doco on the 18 men that made the trip, featuring only the voices of the men that went.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I believe I’ve seen that one.

        He was dodging boulders and craters to set that puppy down.

        I remember watching as a kid and being genuinely concerned while watching Cronkite’s coverage.

        Fuel was critical but so was landing on a fair flat plane. If they wound up and much of an angle they would not be able to launch.

        • Swing Tackle of Destiny

          Armstrong was a test pilot. He had literally bailed out of like, 5 crashing planes, and he bailed out of a test platform of the LEM. He had balls of steel.

          • AlbertInTucson

            There’s footage of that LEM crash.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Alan Bean told the story of when he walked into the office and learned of Neil’s close call with the LM training vehicle. He thought the staff were fucking with him, so he went to find Neil. Sure enough, Neil is in his office shuffling papers. “I knew it!” said Bean, “the guys outside said you ejected from the LTV this morning!”
            “Yup.”
            “you did?!!”
            “Yup.”
            And that was it.

          • Bender McLugh

            awesome stuff, true pioneer!

          • Swing Tackle of Destiny

            On the humble / gutsy axis, Armstrong pegs the upper right quadrant.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    On Sunday I took my kids to a show on Navy Pier called “Gary Busey does Hamlet”

    It was spectacular.

    http://wgntv.com/2016/07/12/david-carls-celebrity-one-man-hamlet-starring-gary-busey/

  • Irish Sweetness
    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      late to the party my friend, that ship has sailed. We addressed this addition in a short thread of posts about knee injuries.

  • Flora Feliciano

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  • SC Dave
  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    So I guess Teddy Cruz went up at RNC and actually refused to endorse Trump and sent the hall into a cavalcade of boos and catcalls. It’s like something out of Citizen Kane, the conventions of old with smoke filled back rooms.

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      This is likely the end of the Republican Party in it’s current form….and that’s probably a good thing. The Tea Party and extremism of the far far right resulted in candidates that were so unattractive that Donald J. Trump became the nominee.
      My hope in the future is that the Democratic Party has a schism and it separates into 2 factions…the far left and the left of center. That would be ok with me.

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        I’m not even sure what center means anymore, or if the old left-right model is even relevant anymore.

        Trump is pro-choice, wants to leave NATO, protectionist in trade yet aggressive in foreign engagements using the military. He loves to eat pussy.

        Hillary is exactly the same. (BOOM! You saw that coming!)

        • willbest

          It’s globalism vs nationalism now. Dems are doing a better job holding their coalition together because its socially acceptable to use white males as boogiemen.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Globalism =International Corporatism.

        • willbest

          Why do you think Trump is aggressive in foreign engagement of the military? Neo-cons are going apeshit over something he said that implied he wouldn’t defend NATO from Russia. How can so many people think he is a warmonger and an isolationist at the same time.

        • MB30SD

          Eeeeeeeexcellent

        • You’re about to get Jericho’d

          haha, nice. I look at Trump and have to laugh because I think if you asked him to name the heads of state of our main allies or even our main opposition in South America he draws a blank.
          The man is not smart, he is not a statesman, he is not good under pressure in the moment, he holds no actual positions besides saying we’ll be “so great again, trust me”…..
          Sad!

      • willbest

        You are a lemming if you think the tea party are extreme. All they are saying is that the government should be able to make due with 25% of the economy instead of 40%+.

        In fact, branding a civilized group of individuals as extreme racists is how you ended up with Trump. Now the government could have found 100 billion a year of stupid things to stop doing and been done with it but that would apparently been too painful.

        And these people aren’t going to go away if Hillary wins they will just get more extreme as they get more and more marginalized. It’s a recipe for disaster.

        • You’re about to get Jericho’d

          To be fair I called them ultra right wing nuts and not racists.

          And now I’m lighting the pilot light on the old broken Romanian Jericho my seemingly erudite ambulance chaser.

          • willbest

            So its ultra right wing to think that the collective US governmental bodies should spend less than 6 trillion a year?

            Which begs the question. What is a moderate.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            Uh, your selection of one aspect of the Tea Party is irrelevant if the rest of your platform is ultra right wing conservative social issues pandering to the extremes of your party. If the original intent was purely financial that would be one thing…like for instance if Rand Paul was the only memeber….but the final result are candidates that virtually no one can truly get behind based on the whole of their positions.
            Please don’t take this as me thinking the Democrats are any better. They have their own internal struggles and battles with the mega left of their own party.
            I don’t know what a moderate is but I know that it is impossible for someone at the upper levels of gov’t to be successfully reelected while supporting and opposing issues on a one by one basis.
            And naming 1 or 2 fucking people is tantamount to using Brady and Rodgers and examples of good quarterbacking in the NFL when comparing your own QB. They are exceptions to the rule.

          • willbest

            No my selection of the entire Tea Party is relevant. It was a single issue movement that came about in response to:
            1) The Bush Bailout
            2) The Obama Bailout
            3) The Obama expansion of government benefits.

            It was the libertarian wing of the party not the evangelical one. They got branded as extremist and racists because they wanted to take money away from single black moms or some such.

            Evangelicals incidentally, are quite split on government spending, they just want their culture left alone.

            Both parties are Big Tent, and everybody in each is there because of what is most important to them. The individuals thus are far more complex than the party is allowed to be.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            sorry buddy, the tea party and the far right wing of the party are synonymous and both are irrelevant. If I rail against the overspending of Washington while the head of the caucus is a fucking muppet ultra right winger that is just what’s going to fucking happen.

      • I’d love to see a viable 3rd party emerge that’s more moderate, and then can attract some of the moderate democrats as well.

        Makes sense to me to have conservative, moderate, and liberal parties.

        • willbest

          What is a moderate?

          • Swing Tackle of Destiny

            not the fucking Chicago weather

        • Irish Sweetness

          I’m trying to think of another country with only two parties, is there one?

          • willbest

            In fairness, there are a bunch with only 1 party. But in the US its a function of WTA and gerrymandering.

          • MB30SD

            Gerrylaundering it should be called. What a bullshit policy

          • willbest

            Agreed. I like proportional representation by state myself.

          • MB30SD

            1 man 1 vote… how in thee fuck doesn’t that make sense. I get the reasoning behind gerrymandering, just don’t acknowledge it as a truly democratic concept.

            #takemoneyoutofpoliticsanditwillallstartworking

          • AlbertInTucson

            1 man 1 vote. The Supreme Court killed that notion when it ruled it was OK special interests to buy the candidate of their choice.

          • MB30SD

            exactly. ridiculous. Take money out of the system and it might actually start doing what it was mean to… like that’ll ever happen.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The Illinois machine just defeated a proposal to reform redistricting.

          • SC Dave

            What a shock.

          • SC Dave

            This country really only has one, as there are few remaining differences between D and R here.

            It’s all about oligarchy and crony capitalism.

        • You’re about to get Jericho’d

          I could get on board with that. I hate when moderate Republican and centrist Democrats are demonized by their party. It’s bullshit. Not everyone has to be a batshit ultra liberal or a lunatic ultra right wing nut.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I submit that one can not govern effectively from either extreme.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I submit moderate Dems are afraid to show themselves, knowing that they would, no doubt, be branded in very short order as Traitorous, Racist, Nazi, Homohphobes by the lefties.

        • You’re about to get Jericho’d

          That is probably true Al, various lefty media arms have portrayed Clinton as practically republican.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Bernie must have been promoised something really nice bcause had he done a “Ted Cruz” at their convention he could have fractured the Democrat Party.

    • willbest

      I am starting to think that Melania and Cruz were by design. Because you are right, there is the drama of old, but its not real drama over ideology and who will control the party. That has already been decided beforehand, which is why conventions recently have been carefully crafted infomercials. Not Trump though. His has drama, but its People Magazine drama. You are curious but you don’t really care about the outcome. If it were over ideology, you might care about the outcome and that would turn people off. Both the right and left diehards are up and angry, but that was always going to be the case, and none of them are going to be persuaded by shit. But to low information Larry and Lana know there is a car accident level controversy at Trump’s event and he is going to address the public tonight.

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        Cruz maybe. I understand he all but said to Manafort what he was going to do.

        Melania was not by design. You would have to be insane to think that.

        • willbest

          The Rick Roll… I mean come on.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Our new guard. Looking at the Panther fan comments on NFL.COM, apparently the only knock on him is staying healthy. 6’4, 320.

    OVERVIEW
    Silatolu is a large, athletic interior lineman who has the ability to smother his opponents and consistently sustain his blocks through the end of plays. Coming from a small school like Midwestern State facing little competition, he will have an adjustment period far greater than other linemen as he enters the league. It is likely that a team will want to move him from his college position of tackle to inside, where his height will be more serviceable and he can use his athletic ability to get up field more often in the run game. Silatolu’s greatest attribute is his footwork, as he is quick off the line of scrimmage and an active puller who can get outside, move up field and locate his blocks to quickly engage. He does not have great leverage or explosiveness in his play but possesses many strong assets for an interior lineman, giving him early second-round value to a team with the patience to develop him into a starter.
    ANALYSIS
    STRENGTHS
    Silatolu is a quick athlete for a man of his stature and gets off the line with a noticeable quickness. He is urgent in his play, and once engaged with a defender, can keep him covered up for an extended period of time. He is a leg-driver who doesn’t get a lot of movement but keeps his man occupied. He is extremely mobile and is an active puller who can get outside, move up field and locate his blocks to quickly engage. He can slide well in pass protection in tackle views in college and will likely be a guard who can sit and stop rushers in their tracks in the pass game at the next level. He is a shield blocker who rarely lets a man behind him.

    WEAKNESSES
    Silatolu is not an explosive blocker, and his limited time working at guard will likely slow his development as he transitions to the next level. Midwestern State does not face the level of competition or athletic type of player that he will line up against in training camp, and teams should expect he may need to develop somewhat before he can be inserted as a starter. He can be over-aggressive at times and whiff on blocks; he needs to have more play discipline at the next level.

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      I think we line him up next to Kling Kong. With Long, we will have a line where everyone is 6’4″ or above and all over 3 bills.

      #KongTheory

      • MB30SD

        Dude needs gorilla tape for that knee

        • willbest

          I am surprised the doctors haven’t found some way to replace that while cutting the rehab down to say 6 weeks. Could charge $2 million a pop and the NFL, NBA, etc would all pay for it.

          • MB30SD

            The gnee is a very complex and delicate mechanism

  • willbest

    So much for Teddy Cruz being anything more than a cranky Senator from Texas

    http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Sheldon-Adelson-Snubs-Cruz-RNC/2016/07/21/id/739783/

    The GOP Convention is a prime time soap. McCain actually holds the record for most watched political (ed. acceptance) speech at 38.9 million edging Obama’s 2008 speech by about 500,000.

  • willbest
    • AlbertInTucson

      What makes you think she won’t still be able to cast her vote?

  • MB30SD

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4703026/three-rookies-should-be-in-starting-lineup-when-bears-open-season

    Dude, if that D can stay healthy, I kinda think we could be beastly… at the VERY least, they’ll be a vaaaaaaaast improvement over shitweasels mcmuffin and Cjones. I mean my god talk about an instant seismic upgrade at the entire unit (ILB)

    • Bender McLugh

      whatever you cunt! (for mentioning his name….)

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Peanut Belongs In The Hall of Fame”

    I just do not see that happening.

  • CanadaBear

    Not much new here in this training camp preview but it’s better than nothing.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000675539/article/training-camp-preview-bears-ready-to-make-noise

    • AlbertInTucson

      Local talk sports hosts discussed the NFC North & the Bears yesterday. I enjoy the show but, they both buy into the anti-Cutler propaganda. The show is best when the stick to the stuff they really know which is UA sports.

      They think Cutler regress with Gase gone and view the new OC as “a substitute teacher”.
      Obviously completely unaware

      The don’t like “that defense” despite the fact that 3 proven starters and a #1 pick have been added and after the 0-3 start last year, “that defense” kept the Bears in all but 2 of the last 13 games including 2 OT losses.

      It was a typical “We don’t follow this team closely” review.

      The like the Vikes a lot. Picked the Packers for 9-7 because they also don’t like that defense.

      They think Detroit has a chance to be at the bottom of the NFL.

      • MB30SD

        Well, I agree with the last two sentences al

      • CanadaBear

        It would be nice if they would at least watch a couple of games of the teams they are talking about. That lazy narrative about Cutler is maddening. They are getting paid to know sports. Do a little homework fellas. Jeez.

        • AlbertInTucson

          The main host hast another day job and freely admits that he does virtually zero prep for the show.

          The co-host immerses himself in Arizona recruiting and their guests are all U of Arziona sports related.

          • CanadaBear

            WOW!

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      we take what we can get.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    Ravens starting RT quits NFL at 29 citing CTE

    • AlbertInTucson

      Are you talking about Eugene Monroe?

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        I thought that was a contract impasse

        • AlbertInTucson

          He got cut 5 weeks ago.

          Looks better to say you retired because of CTE concerns than “The Ravens cut me and nobody else was interested.”, no?

          • Swing Tackle of Destiny

            Is that what happened? Man, the press did NOT spin it that way.

          • AlbertInTucson

            In his defense, supposedly, the Giants WERE interested in signing him.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            hmmm, interesting. What if Pace could show him a “study” that showed he could play more safely and maybe get compensated on a level more equal to the risk of CTE than the Ravens were willing to…………

  • AlbertInTucson

    Trib is reporting that Peanut WILL re-sign and then retire as a Bear.

  • CanadaBear
  • BerwynBomber

    “Tillman was a better player.”

    That is insane. Woodson had close to 250 more tackles in his career than Peanut. He also recorded 20 sacks (Peanut had three). Woodson, I also believe, is the only NFL player in history to record 20 sacks, 20 INTs and 20 FFs in his career. He was much more disruptive force than Peanut given his play at line of scrimmage and behind it.

    Peanut was very good. Woodson was great. It is a bit like comparing Neil Anderson (or Matt Forte) to Walter Payton.

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