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Pass Rusher is the New Quarterback: My Response to Monday’s Poll

| January 26th, 2016

For years the popular maxim has been that NFL franchises are only as strong their coach/quarterback combination. But with rules “evolving” yearly to aid the passing game a third pillar has firmly emerged as equal to the aforementioned pair: pass rusher. Watching the conference championship games on Sunday reaffirmed this.

And pass rush, despite what people will have you believe, is not necessarily a quantifiable statistic. Sacks are great but pressuring a quarterback into a poorly timed throw can often be far better. Sustained pressure throughout a game is a recipe for success but intense pressure in the fourth quarter, with the game on the line, is a recipe for championships.

Pass rushers, much like quarterbacks, must raise their games in the pivotal moments.

And pressure needs to come from pass rushers NOT from scheme. Rex Ryan has proven over the years that all the complicated blitz packages on earth don’t guarantee success getting to the quarterback and, quite to the contrary, leave your secondary vulnerable in multiple areas. If your team doesn’t have 2-3 players in the front seven with the ability to get to the quarterback then chances are your team is a bottom half of the league defensive unit.

This is why I disagree so firmly with the results of yesterday’s poll. Do the Bears have enough talent at inside linebacker? Of course not. But unless you find one of the elite players at the position most inside backers these days are not game changers. The Bears need more explosiveness. They need more pass rush. And if you believe the combination of McPhee/Young/Houston are capable of being a steady rotation at outside linebacker, the Bears need to find that pressure from the defensive line.

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  • Blur of Ions

    I agree wholeheartedly. Yesterday, I couldn’t believe the amount of people who think bolstering a below average group ahead of a bottom of the league unit is a great idea. The more important the QB becomes, the more important disrupting them becomes. It’s not rocket science.

    • AlbertInTucson

      The the NFL would like us to BELIEVE it’s “rocket science”.

      • Blur of Ions

        They sure as hell get paid better than rocket scientists.

  • Trac

    Who’s going to be the defensive QB on the field Jeff? This team needs a general. THAT has to be a pro bowl MLB in my opinion. I don’t care how the Bears get one, just that they do.

    • MB30SD

      BOOM!

    • Bender McLugh

      and a real safety would be lovely. Been too long without M Brown

  • The GP

    Bears have long suffered from Henry Meltonism. Also known as Tank Johnsonism.

    With the exception of pre-ACL Tommie Harris, and first year of Pep’s deal before he decided to coast on the team, nothing close to a dominant rusher has come forward. If we see glimspes of something, usually it doesn’t last long. Usually due to injury or having shotguns in the trunk of the car or something.

    We have had a lot of stupid picks on guys like Flatbread and spending on idiots like Jared Allen.

    the coaches must love them some redneck, because Kony Ealy was twice as effective rushing as Allen was for the Panthers, yet he was benched for him.

    Pace needs 2-3 solid drafts of picking horses. We picked up Sutton and Fergie under Emery, but they are not 3-4 guys. Goldman could be that guy to build around at NT. We need 2-3 more drafts spending high on Defense to get sorted out.

    • Trac

      Yes, like all polls, the choices listed don’t tell the whole story.

    • MB30SD

      It’s the awareness man. Can’t put a price on awareness.

      • Sactowns#1

        I hear in Madden CD’s awareness is like 1000.

        • Bender McLugh

          ohhh gimme that cheat code!

      • BearDown100393

        Long live Jared Allen’s awareness.

        • MB30SD

          !Viva la awareness!

  • Couldn’t agree more. I’ve been saying for months DL is the #1 need this offseason. The Bears have 1 good-but not yet great-defensive lineman right now. Everybody else is just a guy, at best.

    They need 2 absolute studs on the DL. Guys who can hold the point of attack against the run, anchoring in place against 2 blockers and freeing the LBs to flow to the ball, AND impact in the pass rush. For pass rush, they’re guys who should win consistently if left in 1-on-1 situations, or else require extra attention that frees up the speedy LBs rushing.

    Eddie Goldman can do 1 of those 2 things right now (pass rush), and even that isn’t as consistent as it needs to be. But he’ll get there. They need at least 1 beast of a 5-technique who is to Eddie Goldman what Eddie Goldman is to Mitch Unrein.

    I say at least one. I would have no problems with 2 of them for a 3-man behemoth, but 1 will suffice. Because, as Andrew points out, Fangio likes to go to a 2-4-5 nickel instead of a 3-3-5.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    I guess the definition of “Need” has to be defined. I looked at the poll as if we could get a stud at one of the positions listed how much would it help the team. IMO ILB is the position that would benefit the team the most.

    Pass rushers can be found in free agency, might have to pay for them but they are there. Pass Rushers are MERCENARIES. Great ILBs don’t generally become FAs. I feel, like Trac said, having a defensive QB on the field is more important. Look at the good/great defenses around the league, they have Kuechly, Bowman, Wagner, Trevathan etc. These types of players allow their d-lines to rush at will knowing that if they make a mistake there is a fucking stud behind them cleaning up the mess. Lach showed us for years how a great MLB benefits a secondary by taking away the middle of the field. So just the rarity of great ILBs puts them as a greater importance for us in the off season. Not saying we will find one in the draft or FA, but we need to make sure we uncover every stone trying to find one. The run D and Pass D will significantly improve without someone like CD running around in circles on the field.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Well put man

    • MB30SD

      Yep agree.

      We have guys there that can develop and some guys who aren’t bad. Not like we have a 3-times converted hack, an athletic dumbass playing a position not his natural spot, or a udfa question mark playing dline… we’ve got some decent guys in rotation (despite what you say below data). We’ve got guys on dline already who can get shit done, and like you said there are guys to be had.

      We’ve got literally nothing at mlb right now. We need to get at least one stud there who’s not just a guy, or worse what we’ve had there for multiple seasons… abject dogshit.

      That and we’re the Chicago fucking bears…. where MLBs go to get into the HOF. It’s about time we get another one, it’s been way too long without one.

      • Trac

        Yeah, Jeff’s been in Jersey too long. Mark Gastineau still rocks.

      • TBC

        it’s been like 3 years?

    • Doc Nitty

      Your last sentence said it all.

  • willbest

    Couldn’t disagree more.

    Denver and Panthers pass rush is good not just because they have studs on their lines, but because they have studs everywhere. Broncos rushed three a bunch and it worked cause Brady had nowhere to go with the ball. As for the Panthers, they struggled with the better QBs they faced. Brees put up 38, Eli 35, Rodgers 29, even Luck who plays without an O-line put up 26.

    Broncos too struggled against good QBs Big Ben and Luck. They got the better of Brady but the pats O-line was decimated, and the first time they met, Brady was missing all his WRs. They didn’t even play Dalton.

    Put suh, watt, McCoy, Williams whatever all-pro line you want, and it won’t matter if the QB can hit the TE or RB in the middle of the field for 7 yards a pop.

    • MB30SD

      See bellicheat scapegoated their oline coach. Tough call.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Well, it COULDN’T be Bill’s fault. could it?

    • BerwynBomber

      “Denver and Panthers pass rush is good not just because they have studs on their lines, but because they have studs everywhere.”

      This is especially true of DEN. They have three CBs — Talib, Harris and Roby — who could be the #1 CB on half of the teams in the league. Plus, their SS — Ward — is not shabby either. Hence, even when a team manages to block Miller and Ware, the opposing QB often cannot find anyone open.

  • BillW

    As my posts yesterday indicated, I was surprised also by so many votes for ILB. I chalked it up to my ignorance of how a 3-4 is supposed to operate.

    The explanations given made sense – and no doubt we are very weak there. but we’re weak at safety too. My thinking was along what Jeff is saying – a pass rush solves both weaknesses.

    Of source the flip side is being weak up the middle makes the opponent’s running game click and that negates the advantage a team might have with good pass rushers. If there are a lot of 2nd and shorts and 3rd and shorts, the QB doesn’t need a lot of time to throw.

    But what team features the running game these days?

    Anyway, it obviously doesn’t matter what we think. It’s not like Pace is reading the blog to decide what to do.

    • Trac

      Do we get a slide presentation with that Bill? Just sayin. Hee hee.

  • Trac

    This is 2 months old but “news flash”, we already have one of the leagues best pass rushers.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/11/18/pro-ranking-the-top-nfl-pass-rushers-this-season/

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      and he was doing that with a bad knee.

      • Trac

        Goldman is gonna be a stout part of our defense as well.

  • Scharfinator

    So has anyone thought about this?

    Both Denver and Carolina are former Fox teams. Seems like we just have to let him sit through a rebuild, put in a new coach, and SB in 3-5 years!

    • Trac

      Yes and if we want to get to the SB in 3 years, firing Fox may be the way to go.

      #sarcasm

      • Scharfinator

        YEAH SUPER BOWL SUPER BOWL SUPER BOWL

      • Dave Toub for HC.

        • Trac

          What have I started? Oh brudda. Hahaha

        • Scharfinator

          SUPER BOWL SUPER BOWL SUPER BOWL

          Last one, I promise.

    • Nagurski

      John Fox went to the super bowl in his second year with the Panthers and again in his third year on the Broncos. Plan A should be to let him coach for a while first.

      • TBC

        He also took the broncos to the Super Bowl in his first year after leaving the team. That counts for something, right?

        • Scharfinator

          SUPER BOWL SUPER BOWL SUPER BOWL

  • The GP

    The Bears under Trestman had a lineman named Landon Cohen. He was their BEST defensive lineman.

    God. That is bad.

  • TBC

    “Cutler’s year was far superior to Bridgewater. What’s the point of this game now?”

    -dabearsblog

    I think the pro bowl replacement snub you’re looking for is Kirk Cousins.

    • BerwynBomber

      Agreed but Cousins is a mirage. Cutler is superior to him. Bridgewater might be too.

      • TBC

        A mirage as in:

        1. This season was a fluke; he will regress next year?

        or

        2. His season wasn’t actually as impressive as his statistics or his division title would have you believe?

        Because if you’re talking about the former (which I’d guess you are), who cares? He had a very good season, and that deserves a pro bowl nod.

  • AlbertInTucson

    From the “They walk among us” file…

    “Seahawks Fan Launches Petition to Ban Panthers Quarterback Cam Newton From Stadium”

    https://www.facebook.com/topic/CenturyLink-Field/152932378109297?source=whfrt&position=3&trqid=6244154456007648079

    • TBC

      I’m assuming this is fake. Some non-seahawks fan piling on and trying to make them look like a bunch of sanctimonious assholes (which they don’t need any outside help doing).

      It’s too ridiculous.

      • SC Dave

        Not in the age of the internet, it isn’t.

    • willbest

      How very European of them.

  • CanadaBear

    Jeff makes some good points but it all comes down to how good will the player be. If the guy turns out to be a beast at any defensive position, I’m happy.

  • Sactowns#1

    YES!!! As I’ve been saying… draft nothing but linemen. Build in the trenches on both sides of the ball and we’ll be solid for years to come.

  • willbest

    2016 Pro Bowl QB’s
    Carson Palmer –> Teddy Bridgewater
    Aaron Rodgers –> Derek Carr
    Ben Roethlisberger –> Eli Manning
    Cam Newton –> Tyrod Taylor
    Russell Wilson
    Tom Brady –> Jameis Winston

    Obviously Brees turned them down because he is already going to Canton and didn’t feel like another trip to Hawaii and Andy Dalton is still injured…. but you have to pass up

    Cousins, Smith, Fitzpatrick to get to Teddy B on QBR. And all of them pass the eye test unlike teddy. Then Stafford, Ryan, Mariota, and Cutler to get to Eli. And none of those guys were throwing to ODB. And then Hoyer and Rivers to get to Winston.

    • BillW

      Beyond the obvious, you have the situation where people can legitimately call Bridgewater a ProBowl QB. And then , if his contract is worded such, the Vikings have to pay more. And if not then it will become an item in the negotiations. Which could set the salary bar that much higher for true legitimate ProBowl QBs.

      Hopefully the ratings decline enough for them to eliminate the game. Not sure what they’s replace it with to fill the void that Sunday, but I’m sure they could think of something.

      Like maybe a coin flip calling contest with Rodgers.

      • BerwynBomber

        The NFL Awards Show isn’t bad and could already be viewed as a replacement. Last year Seth Meyers hosted. Decent opening monologue.

        • willbest

          Is there a 1 hour red carpet special with the players wives, mistresses, and girlfriends?

    • BerwynBomber

      Stafford was throwing to Megatron. Ryan was throwing to Julio Jones. Eli had a better year than those guys. He also had a better year than Mariota and Cutler.

      Btw, why are we arguing this? Because Cutty got passed up for Bridgewater? I don’t know if being the fifth alternate QB from a conference even rates as being a “Pro Bowler”. I would assume the honor only goes to those originally selected.

      • willbest

        For all I know Cutler declined because baby #3, Kristin’s brother in law, and Kristin’s car accident. He has enough going on in his life, and enough money, and has done the pro bowl before, that a trip to Hawaii to hang with Kyle Long is just not high on his list.

        Actually, like Cheesy I am more annoyed that Cousins (who I seriously doubt would have turned down a free trip to Hawaii along with the experience) got snubbed in favor of 4 QBs that weren’t even playing at his level. Same goes with Alex Smith.

        After that they were just trying to find bodies, it is a bit curious that those are the ones they decided on though.

        • SC Dave

          Its about drawing viewers to boring crap

    • AlbertInTucson

      I think Brees likely passed to spare his body. He was playing on fumes late in the year.

  • Sactowns#1

    So now that the Super Bowl contenders are settled and everyone’s making plans for the big game here’s my poll question: What’s the one food item you have to have on Super Bowl Sunday? Anyone have a specialty dish you make each year?

    • Trac

      Chips n dip? Did I answer correctly? He he

      • Sactowns#1

        Totally a matter of personal preference. I’m just curious. In Cali the weather is usually decent for SB (at least not snowing of freezing) so I always grill some sausages and or burgers. I’m wondering if anyone does anything unique or has a tradition.

    • willbest

      Beer and Pizza. I usually try to avoid both, but for the only holiday in February, I make an exception.

    • Doc Nitty

      I’ll be on a strict diet of hops and barley for this years bowl. Food will only serve to weaken the buzz.

      • CanadaBear

        Vape, Vape, Vape, that cigarette! (Paraphrasing an old country song).

      • Sactowns#1

        What about corn? You’ve gotta have some corn in there.

    • BillW

      We don’t make anything special but I always want chili (and beer).

      • Sactowns#1

        Chili is pretty special, if you make it right.

        • CanadaBear

          My Beloved Bride makes a killer black bean, bison chili.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            please tell me she kills the bison with a crossbow.

    • CanadaBear

      The most fun I ever had at this kind of thing was a Grey Cup party. The guy turned his garage into a man cave and among other things, fried fish out there. He had caught a pile of walleyes in the summer/fall. Besides all the usual stuff, everyone smelled like a fish and chips place, along with cigars and beer. Crazy fun. I literally walked home, stripped off my clothes, put them in the washer and hopped in the shower.

      • Sactowns#1

        That’s awesome. I miss working in the restaurant industry just for the fact the holiday and SB parties were always amazing.

    • Scharfinator

      My buddy makes a pretty insane buffalo chicken and cheese dip. It’s requested to pretty much every social event, including super bowls.

    • MB30SD

      carrot and celery sticks

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      I have a recipe called “the best fucking taco dip of all time, everyone else’s sucks compared to it, lazy motherfuckers don’t even top it with sliced avocado, cilantro, fresh chipotle salsa and crema”
      I invented it.

      • Sactowns#1

        Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Recipe, good sir?

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          it’s not a recipe as much as it is a mindset. Fuck with the separate ingredients to make them better so when you combine them people won’t be able to understand why yours is better than theirs:

          Refried Beans (add some cholula or Valentina hot mexican hot sauce to it and thin it out with a bit of mexican beer or water when you’re heating it up so it doesn’t become a congealed layer of death to the integrity of the tortilla chip.

          Or overcook some blackbeans, thin it out so it’s kind of like refried, saute some minced jalapeno or serranos and mix in some pico de gallo to dress it up.

          Spicy sweet corn salsa (corn, tomatoes, honey, cilantro, lime, black beans, onion, a little jalapeno or serrano mixed in)

          Cream cheese (mix with the traditional packet of taco seasoning (or make your own seasoning (thanks internet!) but finely mince white onion and a little cilantro into it

          Instead of cheddar maybe use a little Chihuaha cheese grated

          Avocado slices or several pockets of homemade guacamole in strategic areas around the dip zone.

          Fresh crema with a little lime drizzled on top strategically around the dip zone.

          Make a crazy ass spicy side sauce out of pureed chipotles, mayo, garlic, valentina hot sauce, orange juice and keep it separate so people can blast their shit whenever they want. Some people are pussies about heat and some relish the ass pain the next morning.

          drizzle tequila over the whole thing (sparingly) for max effect, make sure everyone is watching. Boom.

          • Doc Nitty

            So uh…..can I move in?

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I’ve set up the guest bedroom. I just won a flat screen so the guest bedroom is now equipped with Netflix on a 42 inch flat screen and Amazon Fire TV where you fucking tell it what show to put on. No more remote to type shit in. Fucking robots!

          • Irish Sweetness

            I have copied and pasted this in an email to myself.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            I now have a raging taco dip boner.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      Every Super Bowl I feast on pussy. Motor Boat that shit.

  • The GP

    I was hoping the Saudis could make MB and I a “personal donation”. They did a wire transfer to the Malaysian PM’s personal account to the tune of $681 MILLION dollars.

    MB and I do not need that much. We need Fuck you money. $10M each is PLENTY. If I get it I will immediately buy the new COD, I swear.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/malaysias-attorney-general-najib-razak-received-681-million-personal-donation-from-saudi-royals-1453780909

    • willbest

      You greedy SOB, I could get by with a mere $5 million.

      • Doc Nitty

        You greedy SOB, I could get by with someone paying my divorce attorney fees.

        • CanadaBear

          Any progress on the property settlement. That’s usually a sticking point.

          • Doc Nitty

            We rent. The good news is that the landlord has already stated that they would not rent to her (without me) due to her complete lack of housecleaning skills. She came to me last night and asked me to move out. Then, when I said no, she said “well, if you’re not willing to work with me I’ll have to go over your head”. I’ve not told her about the landlord’s opinion on the matter yet. I wasn’t in the mood for a knife through my throat.

            Usually the courts award custody to the person who will continue to reside in the family home. I figure that bodes well for me too. My fear is that she will fight dirty. My brother said all she has to do is file a complaint that she feels threatened by me and I would be forcibly removed from the home, even if she has no tangible proof. I figure if she makes up some shit like that, i’m fucked, so I have no choice but to lawyer up (something I was trying to avoid). Once she finds out about the landlord’s feelings, I’m sure I’ll be dealing with a wounded animal and then all bets are off about what she might do.

            I should probably follow MB’s lead and not talk about this here. I guess I’ll let that be the end of it.

            Wish me luck.

          • Doc Nitty

            I sweater gaaawd i might have to open my own “fund me” account.

          • Sactowns#1

            Oh hell no. Get yourself some baking soda and a good connect. You’ll clock G’s in no time.

          • The GP

            Bitches be cray cray.

            Sorry to hear that. You are in the eye of the hurricane. Expect more turbulence.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This. Hell hath no fury like a cray cray bitch scorned. Fight her fire with hell storms and nuclear weapons. Pre-emptive strikes. She committed adultery first, right? Hit her in the chest with that, both barrels, divorce lawyer. Her mistake, your good standing as a good Doctor (and earner!) … she’s a lazy bitch, right? How is she going to earn? Support her family? Alimony for the family she broke up?

            Lock and load brother.

            (and hide all signs that you are Darth Vaper – quit smoking for a while and if you have hair, shave it all off – they can test that)

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta think of the kids. Don’t want to trash their mother too hard. As far as shaving goes, that would include eyebrows, chest and leg hair, etc. Not a great look if you’re straight.

          • Doc Nitty

            It’s legal here.

          • CanadaBear

            Needless to say , Good Luck my friend. I’m sure MB’s advice is solid. Yeah, get a good divorce lawyer pronto. Hopefully she wants to move forward and not drag things out.

          • MB30SD

            It was NB, not me. I’m a fucking idiot.

          • CanadaBear

            Duly noted!

          • MB30SD

            he’s the big boy law-yer from NYC

          • Doc Nitty

            I was actually talking about how you used to refrain from talking divorce details over the interwebs….

          • MB30SD

            That’s what I mean, I started to once and NB chided me. Glad you learned from me being a dumbass.

            Hang in brother, it all gets much better. It just will.

          • SC Dave

            Best of luck

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dude. We’re with you (beats chest).

            So how about …. you filing a complaint that you feel threatened by her? You said you weren’t in the mood for a knife through the throat.
            Beat her to the punch! It’s going to get dirty, so jump in it.

          • Doc Nitty

            Unfortunately, I have to sleep with my conscience.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            Kill her

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            Kidding, of course

    • MB30SD

      hahahaha. perfect!! Have your people talk to his people and make that shit happen GP.

      Let’s do dis!

    • Trac

      So 20 people die?

      • The GP

        Hey Trac –

        How many people do you think the Malaysian PM has repressed or had killed, to warrant a $700 million dollar “donation” from the Saudis?

        Like, do you wake up and login to your bank via the web, and your checking account went up by $700 million dollars? How does that work?

        • Trac

          What’s a few million barrels of oil to the Saudi’s? If we only knew the half of it over the years.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I just realized I live in the position of ‘Fuck you’ … without having the money. Just need a little cray cray in the locker there.

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, FSU pays $950K to Jameis Winston’s rape accuser to settle the case against the University for the way it handled/mishandled her allegations.

    SHE gets $250K.

    The Attorneys get $700K.

    Boosters paid FSUs attorneys about $1.2M for THEIR services on the case.

    I believe she’s planning Civil Action against Mr. Winston.

    • willbest

      FSU basically paid her to go away. Without getting into the particulars in this case, I feel a little bad for Universities these days. The FedGov is pushing this whole rape culture/accusation equals guilt nonsense on them and beating them with Title IX into having them do something other than tell the student “I am sorry this has happened to you, if you need a ride to the police station to file a report do not hesitate to ask”. Which is of course the only legitimate course of action when faced with a rape.

      As for her civil claim, she will only pursue that if the thinks she can land some nusance money from Winston. Civil court is the wild wild west. The rules protecting her when its about justice don’t apply when its just about money.

      • The GP

        The rules protecting her when its about justice don’t apply when its just about money.

        Can you give examples of this? Is it ok for the defense to review her sexual past? What else is now fair game?

        • willbest

          Isn’t that enough?

          • AlbertInTucson

            You also go from “Beyond A Reasonable Doubt” to “A Predonderance Of The Evidence”, I believe?

          • willbest

            You also open yourself up to counter suit (and Jameis has done just that).

            But its not just that her sexual history will get explored, its that it will be made public, so if she has a string of one-night stands or has slept with other promising pro athletes, or likes to do X, meth, or blow people are going to know about it.

            There are benefits to civil court for her though. As you pointed out lower bar for evidence. And unlike in criminal court where a person pleading the fifth has a judge say “You must not and cannot infer guilt because the defendant didn’t testify” they get “You may infer whatever you want from the respondents lack of testimony”

            But it most certainly is an all or nothing proposition.

          • AlbertInTucson

            In any case, attorney’s make lots of money.

  • BillW
    • CanadaBear

      Good landing spot for CD.

      • BerwynBomber

        Except that Quinn seems to know D. Doubtful Emery will have the authority to override an HC.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Well that’s them fucked.
      (Blog high fives)

  • BerwynBomber

    Thirty years ago today the Bears beat the Pats in the SB?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Watched with family and friends at my house on a 27″ MGA TV.

      • BillW

        We had a huge party; my two boys were very young then and remember none of it. We had a 25″ (or was it 23″?) Zenith. Which we bought at Polk Brothers.

        • AlbertInTucson

          My kid wasn’t even 1. I remember we had every teddy bear she owned at the time sitting up watching too.

        • The GP

          Polk Brothers. Ha.

          http://www.boxcarcabin.com/zenith-25cc50-console.jpg

          That was the tv in our living room. Same model. Except in my memories it’s not nearly as beat to shit. I still remember that gold lame’ texture under the dial.

          • BillW

            Looks similar to the one we had. Put it to the basement when they started putting score and clock graphics in the corner and these rounded corner tubes cut that off. Bought a huge monster 33 inch “flat” tube that we still have but don’t use.

            The zenith got dumped when the kids wouldn’t even play video games on it because of the rounded corners. Well, me either. Put it to the curb with a sign saying “still works” probably 15 years ago. Was picked up And it probably still

  • Trac
    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      incredible player but suffered a brutal double ligament tear in a dumb bowl game.

      • MB30SD

        Destroyed the whole knee. So sad. Kid was a fucking stud. Hedone for the year

  • The GP

    Shit.

    Abe Vigoda died.

    “Tom, can you get me off the hook? For old times sake?”
    “Can’t do it Sally”

    One of the best exchanges in cinema history. Vigoda acts the hell out of it with his eyes.

    • BearDown100393

      Jerry Orbach’s patron saint.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Tom: “I thought it would be Clemenza.”

      Mike:”It’s the smart move. Tessio was always smarter.”

      • BillW

        I always like Godfather II better until I learned that the Frankie Pantaglia (sp?) part was actually supposed to be Clemenza, but Richard Castellano (sp?) messed it up by insisting to Coppola that he could write his own dialog.

        I guess the reaction to the “leave the gun, take cannoli” ad-lib went to his head.

        • AlbertInTucson

          There was a time when I thought II was better but, no longer.

          Frankie “5 angels” was a decent character but I, too, would rather have seen Clemenza continue. I heard the dispute was over money which I heard was why
          Robert Duvall was not in GIII.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Glaring oversight in G1 was leaving Apollonia un-revenged.

            Instead of wasting all that time on moving Brando from the Hospital back home (All that scene needed was the ambulance arriving at the estate. We don’t need another tour of the hospital or a drive on the parkway where Sonny bought the farm.

            Sicilian Bodyguard / Traitor turned Pizza Entrpeneur, Fabrizio’s, assassination is a deleted scene from G2. Why they changed it from the book is baffling. On film, it’s a car bomb. WAY too impersonal for the vengeance of a Corleone.

            In the book, the hit man confronts Fabrizio as he’s closing his pizzaria, confirms his identity from a tattoo whereby Fabrizio realizes what’s about to transpire. As he begs for his life and denies his identity, the “button man” calls him by name and says something like “This, is from Michael Corleone” before shooting him to death.

          • AlbertInTucson

            They had also planned a scene where Michael takes revenge upon Fabrizio personally, with a Lupara.

            http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2013/06/05/movie-legends-revealed-did-michael-corleone-originally-settle-all-family-business/

          • BerwynBomber

            That would have been a huge mistake. Too much the standard hero move for a movie of G1’s intelligence and realism. Remember, it’s just business. Plus, at least in terms of the films, Apollonia was only a diversion. Smart of Coppola to leave her on the cutting room floor.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Agree, bad idea to have Michael do it so personally but, that was his wife.

            He’d have taken revenge and made sure the traitor knew why he was about to die.

            The scene from the book is dead, solid, perfect.

          • BillW

            Agree. Vito came back to extract revenge. So Michael doing the same would seem to be in character. .

            One has to assume he intended to bring her back when he returned and that Kay was plan B.

          • AlbertInTucson

            No question Kay was only “Plan B”.

            Calo , the non-traitorous bodyguard, tells Michael as he’s getting ready to leave “She’ll make a good American wife.”

          • AlbertInTucson

            THE GODFATHER is, obviously, one of my favorite books. Possibly THE favorite.

          • CanadaBear

            Wiseguy by Nick Pileggi is really good. It’s the book used for Goodfellas.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You would have taken out Sonny’s assassination? Great scene.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Where did I say THAT? All I said was we didn’t need to see the ambulance drivingthe stretch of road where Sonny got whacked.

          • Irish Sweetness

            A piece of ass like that deserved an up close and personal hit.

          • BearDown100393

            HBO is airing a re-edited version of Godfather I and II in chronological order. Michael does avenge the death of his first wife. It was cut from the theatrical release. The scene is shown in the recut format as are others.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Coppola did this years ago with NBC which aired it over several nights as “The Godfather, The Novel For Television”. They added a lot of previously deleted scenes, including Fabrizio’s demise, but they also trimmed some violent scenes for broadcast standards of the time, a consideration HBO does not have to be concerned with this time around.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The best scene in two are the flashbacks to Vito’s early years.

          • BerwynBomber

            Except the abortion scene, which is about as powerful of a dramatic scene as cinema can offer.

          • AlbertInTucson

            That leads us to why the Michael section of II doesn’t ring true for me.

            At the end of the book, Kay DOES take the kids and leave after Michael “settles all family business”, including Carlo.

            Michael makes no effort to dissuade or stop her.

            Tom Hagen (secretly) intercedes.

            He explains the facts of Corleone Family life to Kay including why Carlo had to die.

            He basically tells her to stop acting like a child. Michael did what had to be done and what Vito couldn’t bring himself to do.

            He also tells her that if Michael ever found out about this conversation, Michael would have HIM killed.

            She resigns herself to the situation and returns to Michael.

            She also proceeds to go to mass, daily, to pray for Michael’s soui.

            Juts like Mama Corleone did for Vito.

            If you are a Godfather fan and have not read the book, I HIGHLEY recommend it.

            The book is able to detail so many other interesting subplots from Sonny’s mistress and Paulie’s background to more Luca Brasi and Al Neri background. The unabridged audio version is an option as well and it is well produced.

          • BillW

            I never knew there was a booj. Pretty sure it came out after the novie. I have to research but memory says Puzo consulted or even Co wrote 2 but the only existing source was for early Vito days from his book

            I read a book based on the characters that showed Sonny coming of age gangster wise. It sucked. Never trust amazon reviewers

          • BillW

            Sorry. Reread your post. You did mean end of the only Puzo book that Kay came to terms with the family business. Need to read that again someday

          • AlbertInTucson

            There was no GODFATHER 2, book. Puzo did collaborate with Coppola on the movie scripts for 2 AND 3.

            I read the non-Puza THE GODFATHER RETURNS, which I did NOT like at all, and THE FAMILY CORLEONE. The latter covers a younger Vito consolidating his power and Sonny’s rise within the family. That one is not bad though there are some inconsistencies with established Corleone “history” notably, Vito calling his eldest son, “Sonny”. Godfather made a point about the fact that Vito always called him “Santino”.

          • BillW

            Family is the book I referred to. Had high hopes. Probably should have ignored it. Wanted to relive the characters. I hated the forced ending where Sonny kills his friend because, well because I guess

            Going to reread Puzo soon.

          • BillW

            That said, I did really enjoy Luca’s backstory

          • Irish Sweetness

            Published in ’69 – Coppola loved it – wasn’t a fan of the prose though – and adapted it for the screen.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I heard the prose was pretty bad, Al, no?

            I tried to read the Da Vinci code – wanted to know what kind of book sold 50 million copies – after a couple of pages I had to put it down. Life is just too short and precious to read bad prose. Dan Brown cannot string together two sentences of readable English.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Bad prose? I didn’t think so.

          • Irish Sweetness

            See De Niro’s audition for the part of Sonny?

      • AlbertInTucson

        Tessio: “Barzini’s people chisle my territory and we do nothing about it! Pretty soon there won’t be anyplace in Brooklyn that I can hang my hat!

  • BillW

    Some football history:
    The Chicago Cardinals have the distinction of being the only team in American professional football history to score exactly 4 points in one game. On November 25, 1923, the Cardinals lost to the Racine Legion by a score of 10-4.

    I found that out by looking up something I still can’t get a handle on. when exactly were the Decatur Staleys formed? And when did they play their first game – with who etc.

    The 100 year anniversary is coming up, but when exactly? I see stories that mention Staley hiring Halas and a partner in 1919. I see references to there being a Chicago circuit of professional teams (one of which was the Racine/Cardinals who are older than the Bears. But no real mention of the Staleys playing before the 1920 season, when the APFA (later NFL)was formed.

    So I am surmising that Staley decided he wanted a team in 1919, with the intent to play beginning in 1920; so Halas was invited to Canton along with many others to form the league. Or course only the Bears and Cards still are around.

    The Pack was in existence before then but didn’t’ join the league until 1921. I believe the Pack is older than the Bears, but not older than the Cards.

    Confusing the Cards story somewhat is the fact that a Morgan Park Athletic Club / Racine Cardinals team existed beginning in 1898 and then folded in 1906.. A new team took up the name in 1913 and operated since then. That team claimed the stats and recrods of the orginal – but I believe they were all dropped once the APFA (same with other teams that existed before the league was formed.

    (Trac – working on the slide show. I need to add the effects and sound.)

    • AlbertInTucson

      And no, I do NOT have personal photos of those times.

      • BillW

        Of course not. The camera hadn’t been invented yet when you were born. I’m sure you have some paintings though.

        • BillW

          I’m actually probably older than you. I soon turn the age Paul sang about with Sgt Pepper.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Me too.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The High School Classes of 1970 are all turning into a Beatles’ song this year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t know why they called it a partnership, it was anything but!

            That was Paul’s song.

          • MB30SD

            Beatles are brutal. I get what they did for music and I very much respect them for that… their music sucks to listen to. Brutal stuff

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta keep in mind their stuff is 45-50 years old. I’m not a big Beatles fan. I liked some of their stuff but their music was everywhere and you didn’t have to buy it to hear it all the time. CCR was that way for a couple of years. I was always more of a Stones fan. Still like them, John Fogerty and Bob Seger. Seger is the only one of them that I’ve seen live and that was just a couple of years ago.

  • CanadaBear

    Hey MB did you see what happened to the Giant-Alpecin team? Not sure what they will do to that old lady. What a pisser for Degenkolb.

    • MB30SD

      Canada! No man been 12-14 days at work this week…. what happened?

      • CanadaBear

        They were training on a Spanish island and some old British lady with a right hand drive car was driving on the wrong side of the street and sent 6 of them to the hospital. Degenkolb nearly lost his left index finger and messed up his shoulder. Haga is still in the hospital all cut up and broken up. Degenkolb is out for up to 3 months and I’m guessing Haga isn’t back until after the TdF.

        Teams are crazy if they don’t have a car out in front when they are training.

  • That Guy

    I’m pretty sure the poll yesterday asked about the position of need, not the quality of players available to fill that need.

  • The GP

    Low on the press radar –

    Roaming groups of refugees often just swarm the highways around Normandy and Calais, just looking to jump on passing trucks as they hit traffic. Maybe to hitch, I don’t know.

    The whole thing is surreal. It’s got a walking dead vibe to it. All these people swarming the highways running up to trucks. It’s like a Stephen King novel.

    • Sactowns#1

      God bless em. They got the cajones to try and make a better life for they and their families instead of just perishing in some desert hell hole.

    • Shady

      Look at all those poor women and children.

      • Sactowns#1

        I’m a true feminist. I don’t see women or men, just people.
        What the hell music is that guy listening to btw? Sounds like a 90’s rave up in that truck.

        • Shady

          I get it. But you have to admit some of these guys look like they have bad intentions.

          • SC Dave

            WW III is underway.

            And as usual the victor, in this case the United States, is fighting the last war. Hundreds of $ billions on our version of the Maginot Line… i.e. supercarriers, $30M airplanes to fight enemies that will kill us with fertilizer and cell phones.

          • willbest

            Sure, but in a lab somewhere some scientist is working on the mtDNA and one day soon one of these muslims is going to blow up his wife and kids, and 18 months later there will be no middle easterners because their mitochondria stopped working.

          • Sactowns#1

            Oh man I am soooooo super scared. Please help! lol lol lol

          • willbest

            They are physically fit, able bodied males that left their country during a civil war. They are cowards and opportunists.

          • The GP

            In Washington DC the roads are icy.

            In Normandy, the roads are ISIS.

        • Shady

          Mory Kante – Yeke Yeke (Hardfloor Mix)

          You’re welcome.

        • MB30SD

          You are a feminist… I’m pretty lib, you’re gloria fucking steinem.

          Hahahaha

        • Irish Sweetness

          That was a beef with Bill Hicks too. He was pissed that all anything people were worried about when shit went down was women and children, like, what’s wrong with middle-aged or old men?

          • MB30SD

            Wakes usually.

    • willbest

      What do you think the Zompocalypse actually is?

      • Sactowns#1

        Tweekers who ran out of meth. That’s what I imagine it is.

  • SC Dave

    Wow… when i read here that Belicheat blamed his oline coach, i did mot know he fucking fired him. What a smarmy little douche ol’ hoodie is.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Blame must be deflected.

      • SC Dave

        I cannot see how anyone could respect that c*nt

        • MB30SD

          How can you not. He might be a cunt, but he’s also a fucking magician genius. Dude gets it done no matter what, just the way the world works.

          Jobs, ellison, gates… all those guys were ruthless cunts.

    • willbest

      I don’t know. Pace raided the homeless shelter to fill out our roster the second half of the season and our WR, LB, and DB coaches put out a reasonably competitive product.

    • BerwynBomber

      McCarthy did the same thing to the Cheese ST coach last year after they spit the bit in the NFCC.
      #nothingnew

    • The GP
      • MB30SD

        Caliendo is so turrible. That guy is not funny. Dude blows

    • Irish Sweetness

      Accountability. What we haven’t had for a long time before Foxy.

    • MB30SD

      Yep

  • Irish Sweetness

    Erm … how can you disagree with a poll, Jefe? The poll asked people what they thought the biggest area of need was. The poll answered ILB, and in terms of numeracy, this is correct.

    We have TWO very good pass rushers : Nanny (6 sacks) & Willie (6.5 sacks).

    We have ONE good ILB : John Timu.

    Yes, DE is an obvious need, but we were gashed up the middle all season on runs, and that’s a killer. We were actually getting some pass pressure towards the end. So an ILB is first cab off the rank, but DE is defintely next. And the Defensive line/Edge rusher votes did amount to 44% …

    • willbest

      Timu is above average. Solid against the run, but slow. Can’t handle the TE in pass coverage.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Above average is good, no?

        • willbest

          half way between average and good.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ah.

    • BearDown100393

      I can think of a political poll I disagree with. Just saying.

  • The GP

    Here you go, Al.

    This is being made into a film:
    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2011/05/liz-taylor-michael-jackson-and-marlon-brando-star-in-escape-from-new-york

    September 12, 2001.

    A car with no entourage or handlers, just three people.

    Elizabeth Taylor, Marlon Brando and Michael Jackson. True story. In a Lincoln Town Car. Driving across the turnpike, stopping at KFCs along the way. They just cast Joseph Fiennes as Jackson. I can’t wait to see who they cast as Brando. To me, it has to be Jack. Jack lives next to Brando’s old house in the Hills. They were best pals. At age 77, Nicholson could pull one for the ages playing Brando in this story. Hollywood will give it to Spacey probably.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Unbelievable indeed. Although it did have a wonderful sory below it : Bill O’ Reilly says he will leave America if Bernie Sanders gets elected.

      GO BERNIEEEEEE !!!!

      • MB30SD

        Hahaha, I’m in! And sac told me that if I vote for Bernie he’ll ski with me

        • Sactowns#1

          And provide you with ample stocks of bourbon. Speaking of which, I’ve got a cabin in Tahoe Feb 10-14th if you want to join.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Possible titles;

      “Last Tango in Lincoln”

      “Cat on A Hot Tin Route”

      “The Driving Dead”.

  • willbest

    I guess we won’t have to worry about Oscarssowhite next year. “Birth of a Nation” is all the rage at Sundance and Fox secured the distribution rights for $17.5 million.

    Article also mentions that Amazon and Netflix are now power players at these film festivals driving the prices up. Competition be good for the independent content creators.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/01/26/fox-searchlight-acquires-the-birth-of-a-nation-for-17-5-million/

    • Irish Sweetness

      Anyone see Honda Rousey’s SNL? They did a skit on the Oscars being totally white that was just embarrassing. I wonder if Chris Rock will recognise the irony of the situation he’s in if he rips them for it.

      The only thing on the show – which I haven’t seen in years – that was remotely amusing, was a fat black girl with an open love letter to Leo Di Caprio. The rest was just crappy skits with what I can only assume was a laugh track over it.

      • MB30SD

        Snl hasn’t been funny since chris Farley.

        It is fucking horrible.

        • willbest

          Not a fan of Tina Fey as Palin?

        • Sactowns#1

          Everyone thinks their generations SNL was the best and the subsequent ones suck. It’s amazing.

    • Irish Sweetness

      When do the Oscars go a bit green?

      There probably isn’t a year that goes by that doesn’t have a holocaust story. Hollywood is Jewish, so this is understandable. Never again, and all that. Fair play. And there isn’t a handful of years that go by that there isn’t a film about Black slavery, or civil rights. All right and proper. Understood.

      Ever see a movie about the British enslavement of an entire nation and genocide that went on for eight hundred years though? Puts black history in the shade. Does anyone even know that Irish people were sold to the new colonies by the likes of Cromwell? The current British citizens don’t. There used to be about 8 million Irish at one point, as in first generation Irish people living in Ireland.

      But such is life – if it’s not in a movie, it didn’t happen.

      • Trac

        Only one movie is needed that would cover all depravity Irish. I’ll give you 3 guesses, mmkay?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Does it star Adam Sandler?

          • Trac

            Hahaha

      • CanadaBear

        If you’re looking for actual history lessons from Hollywood, you’ve got a long wait. They will tell their version of history and it will depend on who’s funding the film.

        • willbest

          That isn’t the most troubling. Irish is right. They don’t even bother with it in schools anymore. In the US, history class is basically a time to teach whites they should feel guilty for being white, and to teach everybody else to be angry at whites.

          And then they wonder why there is racial resentment still.

          • Sactowns#1

            Dude, put the Fox News down and back away from the remote.

          • willbest

            That seems to be a common retort from your type. Never argue the merits when you can disqualify, amirite

          • CanadaBear

            No.

          • Sactowns#1

            What argument? You make broad generalizations about things you have little or no knowledge of. I have my single subject teaching credential and passed the CBEST and CSET. Neither exam or any teaching material I came across had anything like “teach whites they should feel guilty” etc. I’m sorry people of color now have at least a LITTLE say in our society and you now feel threatened by that.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            you must have been sick that day when they were teaching that in your course studies.

          • willbest

            Again with attacks, I don’t understand you. You don’t know anything about me. Nothing short of WW3 or CW2 is going to be particularly harmful for me and mine. Despite what you might think of me I am highly principled and more often than not arguing against my self interest. Case in point, if your boy Bernie road into DC on tanks, and fully implemented his plan, the NET benefit to my family over the next 20 years would be somewhere around $300,000. And I am in the top 10% now. So lord knows where he is getting that money from but I digress.

            Lets talk US history. You get 150 hours of US history instruction in 5th, 8th, and 11th, grade and if you are really lucky, your students will chip in another 50 hours at home. Excuse me, 130 hours, forgot about all the testing.

            But then working against you is there is a lot of repeat in 8th and 11th grades. So you have a very limited amount of time and a lot of ground to cover. The result is you pick and choose.

            You hit the big things. Colonization, Foundation, Slavery, Civil War, Kill some Germans (Merica!), Jim Crow, and if there is time Women’s Lib, McCarthyism, and 2nd wave feminism. And mostly its just the what of it. Never the underlying context associated with it. For that you have to take a 300 level college course.

            What is the result? People trying to purge Woodrow Wilson at Princeton, and he is just the highest profile target. You don’t reach that point without feeling seriously guilty about your past.

            And through it all you get a paragraph here or there on the pure awesomeness
            that was/is America. Ordinary citizens revolutionizing agriculture,
            industrialization, medicine, science, all leading to the greatest boom
            the world has seen to date, much of it facilitated through non-sexy acts of congress.

            And there is no comparative understanding of the way the US came to terms with discrimination and tolerance and the way other countries have. So whites (because they were in charge) are left with a unique level shame when right now slavery is alive and well in parts of Africa and Asia. And right now, in the middle east they throw homosexuals off the tops of buildings, mutilate girls genitalia, and force non muslims to pay extra taxes (if they are lucky). And right now, in Japan there are Koreans who have been born in Japan for 3 generations that aren’t Japanese citizens. And right now, in Europe French authorities have knocked on the doors over 3,000 Muslim homes and searched them for contraband.

            And why? Because shame is one of the most powerful motivating forces in human nature. People will do a lot to avoid shame. And even the threat of calling somebody a bigot is enough to shame them into compliance.

            But you know, my information could be out of date. They are debating whether or not to purge MLK at Oregon. Apparently 52 years ago, when all of society would have locked you up for trying to be trans anything, he wasn’t inclusive enough. So perhaps the new education order is to make all men feel guilty. Which is supported by some evidence I suppose. 1 in 10 boys is now drugged into submission, and women make up 60% of college enrollment.

      • Sactowns#1

        I plan to visit Barbados this year and wave my Irish flag then burn the union jack.

  • Irish Sweetness
    • MB30SD

      Siiiiigh. Dems were da days.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog

    On last Tweet. No idea if Ragland will be good or not. Neither does anyone else. But he was never guy I watched play & thought, “Wowee!”

    A by-product of playing among a bunch of other guys touted as studs?

  • CanadaBear

    Even though most of us really dislike the announcing duo this article is interesting.

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/26/nfl-fox-television-broadcast-nfc-title-game-behind-scenes

    • willbest

      On the one hand, you admire the level of work that goes into these things each week. On the other, you realize that most of what pisses you off about their commentary is planned well in advance.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Once upon a time, when NBC still did some NCAA basketball, I got to work some Arizona games as part of the local crew that would fill out the NBC crew. Audio 2, RF Send, RF Receive, Floor director. Once got to be floor director for Marv Albert & Al McGuire. We also pulled cable and help with the technical set-up. Nothing as complex as what’s detailed in this worthwhile article.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog

    Someone should tell Jim it wasn’t the NFL that made the film go away. It was the complete disinterest of Americans. https://twitter.com/patrickfinley/status/692358917532323841 …”

    Two things about this are so true:

    1) Americans complete disinterest in the film.

    2) You can tell Jim, but, sadly, tomorrow he probably won’t remember that you told him.

    • Sactowns#1

      3) Will smith is a crappy actor who makes bad movies.

      • Doc Nitty
      • AlbertInTucson

        I liked ENEMY OF THE STATE but probably because I liked Gene Hackman’s role in it.

        • Sactowns#1


          “Echoes of Gene Hackman in The Conversation”

          • AlbertInTucson

            Smith: “Why did you blow up the building?!”

            Hackman: “Because YOU made a PHONE CALL!”

      • That Guy

        I find Will Smith, like say Nicholas Cage or Dwayne Johnson, has a certain kind of role that he plays well. In that role, he can headline or co-headline an enjoyable fill. I enjoyed, for example, the Men in Black films for what they were. They’re forgettable, in the way that Fast and the Furious, or the Rock, is forgettable. But if you’re looking for a high percentage film in the genre, he’s a good pick.

        The problem is when actors like that try to stretch into something more challenging (like using fake accent for an entire movie) they can suffer. That’s what happened here.

        The film tried to go big by getting Smith. They would have done better getting a relative unknown to play the role and capitalizing on better reviews.

        • The GP

          The role was made for David Oyelowo.

          But he didn’t get it.

          As for the story, I agree that the NFL probably paid reviewers off to pan the film.

        • willbest

          Generally speaking, most actors can’t act. You are just seeing a slightly modified version of themselves.

  • That Guy

    Thought experiment for the blog.

    You have a crystal ball. There are five young players in this year’s draft. All will be availabe at #11 and you know, using your crystal ball, that they are all going to be superstars. We will call these five players:

    – JJ Watt, an animal pass rusher that works on the D-line at DE
    – Von Miller, a monstrous pass rushing OLB.
    – Luke Kuechly, a true general on the field at MLB
    – Patrick Peterson, an absolute shutdown CB
    – Kam Chancellor, a sideline to sideline, hard hitting, sure thing safety

    Essentially, there are 5 sure things available. Without getting into the details of why one player is better at his position than another among this list, which one of these five guys makes the Bears defense improve the most in 2017?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Watt.

      Greatness in there improves everything behind it by default.

      • The GP

        Al is correct, but I would STILL pick Luke.

    • Doc Nitty

      that’s tough between Watt and Kuechly. I may have to choose Luke due to his fit in the MLB tradition in Chicago, but nobody does wrecking ball like JJ Watt.

    • Sactowns#1

      I would go with JJ Watt for sure. Notice only one of those players has even been mentioned as MVP. We need DLINE!!!!

    • willbest

      My Bears blood wants to say Kuechly, but my brain says it has to be Watt. Watt would make Nanny look like Von Miller so you are getting a twofer with him.

  • AlbertInTucson

    New thread, folks.

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