• That Guy

    About right.

  • AlbertInTucson

    And now, a word from our sponsor…

    What we’ve dread has come to pass…

    …a sad but “It’s just business”, day.

    A Bear who is the epitome of class…

    …we must bid farewell to Matt Forte.

    Burma-Shave

    • Bender McLugh

      very nice Al

    • Scharfinator

      Really well *sniff* written.

  • Forte, SECOND best Bears HB?

    • That Guy

      For career stats absolutely. But I don’t think so.

      • Sayers?

        • That Guy

          Sayers does not have the career stats Matt does. Didn’t play long enough. But as I said, I don’t think Forte is second best.

          • That Guy

            The trick with Sayers (or, for a modern equivalent, Calvin Johnson) is that you never really know what a 10 season would have looked like.

            If Sayers insisted on staying in the league and spent five more years alternating between being injured and ineffective, does he get the same accolades?

            Chris Johnson comes to mind as a parallel. He looked unstoppable for 2-3 years, then he fell off a cliff. Nobody would compare him to Sayers now, but remember the season he broke 2000 yards?

          • Yeah, but we have to put Sayers in context too.

            If a guy stormed into the league his rookie yr and rushed like Christ Johnson in his prime AND returned kicks like Hester in his prime, and did that for like 6 years, wouldn’t that be enough?

            Hester is a borderline HOFer on returns alone. If he would’ve also rushed like Chris Johnson, I think he’d be a slam dunk.

          • CanadaBear

            When they elected him to the HOF nobody that saw him play was bitching. It looks odd when you’re looking at the back of his card but being a teenager during his career was fantastic/excruciating. Then throw in Butkus’ career at the exact same time. Hard to imagine they never won anything but it sure wasn’t their fault.

          • T’Challa

            The Bears had no QB at all.

          • CanadaBear

            Sayers came back after Bears doctors butchered his knee and gained over a 1000 yds in 14 games without a run over 28 yds. His avg/carry was 4.4. His last 2 years he only played a couple of games each season. Before the knee injury Sayers was head and shoulders above all the other guys in the league after 1965 (Jim Brown was still in the league in ’65).

          • Irish Sweetness

            OJ broke it in a14 game season when everyone in the stadium knew he was getting the ball. Dickerson did it in style. CJ? Meh.

          • Dicerson did rock those soul-glow jerri curls and goggles like none other.

            But my god, could he fumble more?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t remember the fumbles! Just the awesomeness.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Matt doesn’t have as many rushing OR receiving TDs as Neal. Both played 8 years. I don’t care much for yards. I wouldn’t say yards are meaningless, but points count, yards don’t.

          • So, Neal > Forte?

            Careful. SC might call you an asshole!

          • Irish Sweetness

            For me yes. Eyeball test and TDs. But there’s not much in it. Both great servants. People have their favorites.

          • T’Challa

            I would respectfully disagree. Yards are important and show more talent. An example is a player sprint off an 80 yard run, he is tired. He goes out to get a breather. Another player comes in and runs for one yard and scores a TD. Scoring TDs doesn’t take a lot of talent, the Fridge scored a few. And if you have a great line like Dallas had, Smith could score a lot from a few yards out.

            Another factor in scoring TDs is whether there are any other weapons on the team. If a player is option 1, 2, and 3, he will have more chances to score. In fairness, Forte was never the onlyoption on the goal line in his tenure with the Bears.

    • EnderWiggin

      If I was old enough to remember Sayers and Grange, I may argue. But Forte would be second on my list.

      • What say ye olde timers, Sayers for six years, or Matty?
        Don’t think anyone is old enough for Grange or Bronko

        • CanadaBear

          Look at my avatar! Sayers was a better pure runner than Walter. Walter was a better all-round football player. I can’t go historical for obvious reasons but my list would be Walter, Gale, Matt, Neal, don’t care. I can see an argument for Neal over Matt but when the OL was shit, so was Neal. Part of that was due to wear and tear on Neal but not all of it.

          • Bender McLugh

            I agree with that but switch Matt & Gale for me, even though Gale was definitely the better pure runner.

          • Cormonster

            What about Beattie Feathers? First back to rush for over 1,000 yards, and did it as a rookie. His 8.4 ypc that season is still an NFL record.

          • SC Dave
        • T’Challa

          Sayers was better than Forte. My ranking would be:
          1. Walter Payton
          2. Gale Sayers
          3. Willie Gallimore
          4. Matt Forte
          5. Neal Anderson

    • Irish Sweetness

      Last thread? Can’t we just say goodbye on this one? Nope?

      Okay. For me, both played 8 seasons as Bears. Neal was the better runner (certainly earlier), and he had that extra gear turning a corner. He was no slouch as a receiver. Neal had more rushing and receiving TDs. TDs make points, yards don’t. Very similar players though.

      Willie Gallimore never makes these lists though. But ask an old-timer and they’ll tell you he belongs on any list of Bear backs. He wasn’t used a whole lot, injury-plagued, but he averaged over 5 YPC some years.

      “Flashy, improvised, impossible runs marked his NFL career. He lit up dull games, brought crowds to their feet. People would shake their heads. How the hell did he do that?”
      -Dr. Z, SI journalist.

      Sounds pretty great to me.

      • SC Dave

        Repeated from below…

        Note the years of service with Chicago of certain players that *just might* make a little difference in the running game.

        Neal Anderson 1986-1993

        Jimbo Covert 1983-1990 2xPB
        Tom Thayer 1985-1993
        Jay Hilgenberg 1981-1993 7xPB
        Mark Bortz 1983-1994 2xPB
        Keith Van Horne 1981-1993

        Neal Anderson ran behind, for at least the first four of five years of his career, an offensive line that was arguably the best in the NFL.

        I’d go look up the pathetic offensive lines that Matt Forte played behind, but it would be depressing.

    • DaMurph

      Matt was good at everything except scoring. In my mind his lack of scoring especially from inside the 5 knocks him down the list of running backs

  • re-post b4 I saw Matty news.

    Andy got upstaged, I know the feeling!

    Here are some possible butch bargains, esp if they have a Fangio/Fox/Pox connection, cuz the NFL is all about that, esp in FA. Players tend to gravitate to coaches they played for.

    OG. Alex Boone, 9ers (29 yrs old). By most accounts, had a down year, but considering the shitstorm that was the 9ers…could help solidify the interior and shouldn’t cost an arm-leg.

    OG. Jeff Allen, Chiefs (26). Chiefs plugged in 3 diff HBs and they ALL did well. He’s young, and can still grow. Might be cheaper and is younger than Boone. Wouldn’t mind.

    NT, Ian Williams, 9ers (27) again, a 9er connection. Had a bit of an inj history, but very productive when healthy. Besides, Goldman and him will spell each other, so should theoretically reduce inj risk. Might even be able to put Ian at NT and slide Gold to DE in “jumbo” package. That’s a lot of meat.

    S, Robert Golden, Steelers (25).young with upside, I like he played with the Steelers who know a
    lil about coaching up safeties. They typically ask a lot out of them. I say give him a shot with a modest contract.

    ILB, Zach Brown, Titans (26). Remember him? More than a few wanted him a few drafts back.Well, now we can have him. He’s athletic but not quite stout. However, after we sign Trevathan, Brown can compete against whichever other ILB we draft. Worst case scenario, he’s a great special teamers and a 3rd down LB (which we really need).

    CB, Jarraud Powers, Cards (29). I just like that he’s from the Cards who boasted a crazy secondary. Some
    of that had to rub off, right? Purely a depth move esp with Porter aging a bit, and Fuller still a mystery.

    Sterling Moor from Bucs (26) is another possibility for CB, but don’t know if he’ll be a bargain, or
    if he can transition from 4-3 cover 2 to 3-4 mostly trail tech.

    Well, there ya have Butch’s bluelight specials. Don’t make a mess of the bin.

    • That Guy

      Casey Hayward, CB will be allowed to test FA by Green Bay. I like him as a cornerback – more as competition than a guaranteed starter. He’s good for depth either way.

      Dwayne Allen, TE – he’ll get a nice deal somewhere. A solid player with a better attitude than Marty B. Not as explosive in the passing game, but a strong blocker with good hands.

      William Moore, S – 31 years old leaving Atlanta. He can do what we were hoping Rolle would do this year and be a leader to plug in while we coach up some rookies.

      • Yeah, I was actually gong to put Allen, but like you say, he’s likely to get paid, so not sure if he’ll be a “bargain” per say. Same with TE Ladarius Green who I would love to have.

        Good call on Hayward. It’s strange for GB to let homegrown talent walk out the door, but if it happens, we can def kick the tires on him.

        Not too familiar with Moore. Just know Atlanta’s D was porous.

        • That Guy

          Atlanta started the season with a really strong D if memory serves. Then they kind of fell off. Not sure what the reasoning is.

      • Irish Sweetness

        No love for spending on a CB? Janoris Jenkins wants how much? Can we buy Wilkerson, Trevathan, Jenkins/or Berry ?

        • Everyone points to the Donkeys buying FAs as a blueprint, but that’s misleading.

          You go all-in when you’re very close and need that extra push.

          Kinda like the Pats with Revis, or the Donkeys with Ware, etc.

          Before we splurge in FAs like that, we need to at least reach the NFC Championship game.

          Teams that try to buy a team through FA before even making the playoffs typically end up like the Dolphins or Eagles or Skins for all those years.

          • Irish Sweetness

            but we’ll have 70M dollars!
            I don’t want to go into the season all “We’re 50M under cap – isn’t it great?”

          • -$5M draft class.
            -$15M Alshon (franchised or not)
            – $10M re-signing some or our own like Porter (though this # is fuzzy)
            – $5M that teams typically reserve in case of emergency

            So, really, $50M or so, which is still great.

            But we shouldn’t go all Brewsters Millions and spend it cuz we must.

            If we get ILB Trevathan, DT/DE Malik, TE Ladarius Green, and/or OG Osemele, that’ll prob wittle it down to like $10M, if that.

            FAs are always overpriced, they can gobble up the cap rather fast.

            Also, I would prefer frontloading some of the contracts now that we do have the cash this season.

            That would be more prudent going forward.

            We can roll over some of the cap next season, I think. Could be wrong.

    • Bender McLugh

      I have it from a good source that Jerod Mayo will be cut from the Pats. For the right price he’d be an upgrade or at the very least good depth………….assuming his injuries are healed.

      • Jerod Mayo would absolutely be on the list if he were free.
        I think he’s the opposite of Zach Brown. Good vs the run, subpar vs pass.

        Maybe that’s why the Pats are releasing him.

        But they’re thinking about SBs , and we’re just thinking WC.

        • Bender McLugh

          he’s 3rd best LB on that team now behind Donta Hightower & Jamie Collins, and a bunch of players are entering their last year, so I think it’s all about the dollas.

          • T’Challa

            I think I heard the other day that Mayo’s cap hit is $7m which is why he is expected to be cut.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Jeff Allen. Good call. Like it. We need an OG ready to go.

      NT? We have Goldmember and Terry Fkn Williams. Fat bastards we have.
      There’s something a lot sexier about DEs freshly drafted. Nice and cheap-ish. Plus, Mario Williams should be cut any day now. A year removed from 14.5 sacks when utilised properly.

      • CanadaBear

        Gotta worry about Williams throwing in the towel playing for Ryan. Rex is a jagoff but usually the D guys love him.

        • Read my mind Canada. Don’t like quitters, period.
          Also, Williams wants to play 4-3 DE cuz they get paid and more glamour. Shows where his priorities are.

        • DaMurph

          You would love Rex!

          • CanadaBear

            There’s no doubt in my mind. I get a big kick out of him but he’s definitely a blowhard. If you were hanging out with him and Rob I’m sure there would be times you were blowing snot bubbles from laughing so hard.

      • I would love me some Terry Williams, but the coaches aren’t having it, so, import some SF meat.

        We really need DEs, that’s for sure, but the FA market is kinda barren there. No real decent bargains. All over the hill, or JAGs who I don’t think will be better than Jarvis Jenkins, Sutton or even Washington (who still has tremendous upside)

        • Irish Sweetness

          Terry’s already signed.

          • But they didn’t even play him one down. And I think they even released him from the PS before re-signing him at the end of the year, if I remember.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He’ll get his snaps behind Eddie and he’ll be fine. Nobody’s moving him out of the way. They’ll bring him in as an extra DT on runs and we’ll be sweet.

          • I hope so, cuz I liked his college tape, but coaches always do weird shit.

  • That Guy

    I think the conversation with Pace probably went something like “We totally believe you’ve still got gas in the tank, but I don’t think you’ll want to play for what we’d pay you. We also don’t think you’ll want to see your touches shrunk, but we have to let Langford and Carey develop. You’re a class act, so we won’t insult you with a low ball offer. Thanks for the memories”

    • As long as it didn’t go like the Emery-Urlacher final act. I have the transcript.

      Urlacher: “Unga-Bunga. $10M a year”

      Emery: Shining his glasses while looking out the clean precipice of eternity, “Ever wonder, Brian, if advanced analytics can be applied to love or bringing peace to the middle east? I stay awake every night trying to make the numbers work, but the vision fogs, and I wake up in a cold sweat.”

      Urlacher: Scratches pre-plugged cueball “Unga-Bunga. $8M?”

      Emery: Yes, when Trestman and I went to a synergy seminar last spring, we discussed how Thoreau also tried shaping the man. Now,if only Thoreau was availed football, my god, he could have transcended everyone, much like Trestman did with our team.”

      Urlacher: Scratches butt, and farts. Then storms out of the room, misinterpreting ‘growing the man’ as ‘growing chia-pet hair’

      • That Guy

        Emery/Urlacher was like watching two 8 year olds try to play poker. Both thought they were going to outsmart the other, both were painfully transparent, both ended pissed off that their non-existent intelligence was insulted.

        • CanadaBear

          That is by far the best explanation I’ve read!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Irish Sweetness

        One was a great and legendary Bear, the other was not. And let us not forget that Brian was smart enough to call that defense pretty well. We’re now seeing what happens when you don’t have that guy around.

        Now. Let’s see who’s on what boat …. who thinks(a) AJ gets franchised, and that (b) it’s a good decision if they do? $13M is your estimated tag.

        For the record …. (a) he does not (b) it’s insanity.

        • CanadaBear

          Alshon will get tagged at $14.4 mil and it’s the smart thing to do.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Dude! There’s like three or four guys in the league you pay that to.
            (checks)
            Earnings:
            13m – T.Y Hilton
            14M – Dez, DT, Julio
            15M – AJ Green
            16M – CJ

            Alshon joins that group? Speak now brothers.

            I’m no saying don’t sign him, obviously, but the tag is a lot. I can’t see anyone paying him that kind of money. He isn’t one of the top 5 guys. He’s not even at Brandon’s level, and BM isn’t on the list.

          • CanadaBear

            We either tag him at that price or he’s on the open market. I’m pretty sure there are a lot of GM’s that would be willing to pay Alshon what he’s asking.

          • Trac

            But you gotta ask why they haven’t signed him yet? He’s not franchise worthy unless you plan on inking him to a multi year deal down the road.

          • willbest

            While they can extend him any time they want, they can’t franchise him until feb 22.

            At this stage they are probably playing coy with the agent on whether or not they plan to tag him. Because if they do tell the agent they plan on tagging him they can no longer claim he isn’t worth 14.5 million a year, because by tagging him they basically admit that he is.

          • Trac

            Is it possible that Pace is considering letting Alshon walk so he can throw crazy money at Von Miller? I’d make that deal.

          • willbest

            There is no way, Von Miller doesn’t get tagged. Broncos can credibly threaten to tag Von Miller for the next 3 years, and if they did that he would still make less money than what the Dolphins paid Suh. Then there is the fact that paying Von Miller $14.5 million for a single season with no long term commitment is a bloody gift, and you are even getting good value at $18 million you would pay him in year 2 of franchise tag.

            So no, there is no way the Bears will be able to throw crazy money at Von Miller.

            edit: Also Assuming we hand Jeffery $15 million, we will still have like 40 million cap space. More than enough to pay Von Miller if somebody kidnaps Elway and holds in a discrete location from now until the beginning of FA.

          • Trac

            Yeah, the tag will nix my pipe dream.

          • willbest

            If it makes you feel better there is a Titans fan or 9ers fan etc saying the same thing about jeffery

          • inflation. market demands, wr fa shortage will inflate Alshon’s contact.
            Also, I fully expect Dez, Julio, Green to make much more by the end of it.

            I think Alshon should be in the TY range. Yeah, Alshon might be better, but he’s a lot more inj.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Smart enough to call that defense.
          Not smart enough to avoid those hair plugs.

        • “We’re now seeing what happens when you don’t have that guy around.”

          Actually, we’re now seeing what happens when you don’t have players on that side of the ball.

    • SC Dave

      I doubt it.

      • Scharfinator

        We really have no idea – one way or another.

      • MB30SD

        Of course. Come on dave.

        You’re letting the butthurt cloud your logic

        • SC Dave

          I have not seen any evidence that Pace is anything other than ruthless, so no, I sincere doubt it played out that way.

          • MB30SD

            Stoooop, all nfl gms are roofless. There’s no other way to be.

            That and they have so much more info than is it’s not funny. Gotta trust he made the best choice with all the info he had from all sides on the deal (and all deals) info jabronies like you and me ain’t ever gots.

          • SC Dave

            Funny, don’t recall you using that reasoning with Angelo or Emery.

          • MB30SD

            Dmb and ruthless are two diff things dave

    • Trac

      C’mon, that not how it’s done. You’re smarter that this. All negotiations went through Forte ‘ s agent and it went like this:

      Forte ‘ s agent: we want X.
      Pace: we’ll give you Y.
      Forte ‘ s agent: no thanks, we’ll let the market pay him what’s he’s worth.
      Pace: Ok.

      • Irish Sweetness

        This. Agents. Nothing to do with Matt.

  • SC Dave

    Lets see… from

    @ ChicagoBears

    #Join us in thanking one of the all-time #Bears greats, @MattForte22. #ThankYou22″

    What assholes. Fuck Pace, or whoever approved that fucking garbage.

    Come play for the Panthers, Matt.

    • CanadaBear

      Dave you had to know it was coming. It was like Walter’s last year. I was hoping Walter would stick around as a change of pace back and let Neal be the man. Walter could have played 3 more years in that role. Of course, Walter’s ego wasn’t gonna let that happen. I would have loved to see the torch passed to Langford and Forte take the change of pace back role but there just doesn’t seem to be any way to gracefully pass the torch.

      • SC Dave

        It’s not that, it’s the assholes in the front office putting that hashtag out there after dumping him like yesterday’s garbage.

        I’ll do to Forte’s Facebook page to thank him. I will NOT vector my appreciation through Halas Hall.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I feel your pain Dave. Brian was my favorite Bear, and when they lowballed him it was like a being-held-down kick in the nuts. Then Brandon was my favorite and one day it was like coming home to see your girlfriend had moved out with no warning.

      • The GP

        Dave to Pace:

        “Now go get your fuckin shinebox”

        https://youtu.be/qebPW6cU3CM?t=92

        • I would’ve gone with this.

          • The GP

            Donovan’s Atlantis is the song they beat Billy Batts to death with.

            https://youtu.be/IeL8EYtbVw0?t=222

            Scorsese. Guy’s a genius. He dubs in JUST this part of the intro:

            Though Gods they were –
            And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
            Let us rejoice and let us sing and dance and ring in the new
            Hail Atlantis!

            Hence Pesci beating to death a made man.

            #GoodFellas

            (Lost to Dancing with Wolves the year the Oscars stopped mattering)

          • ahhh Billy Batts.
            Comes back from 20 years of hard time, only to get beat, shanked and shot at his own welcome home party by his own guys.

            #mobIrony

          • The GP

            then….when he’s still not dead…. killed with a shovel. Just before they use it to throw dirt on him.

            It’s pretty much just like hanging out on this blog.

          • I think next year in FF I’ll make the Billy Batts award for the team that sucks most.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Then Pesci gets it good at the end of Casino.

            Goodfellas was close to being the perfect movie. Characters, performances, music. Legendary tracking shot. Opening line, closing line. It’s all there. Scorcese’s opus.

          • CanadaBear

            The book is tremendous.

          • CanadaBear

            When Martin Landau won for playing Bela Lugosi in Ed Wood over Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction, that was the one that really did it for me.

    • MB30SD

      Smh, switching over dave? You should look lovie up, have dinner erra month and Reminisce. Kumbaya brother

      • Yeah, cuz the Panthers are so sentimental that they released Steve Smith, arguably their greatest player of all time.

        Forte doesn’t even crack the top 50 all time bears, (heck, Irish thinks Neal was a better HB) though that would be a good exercise.

        • BerwynBomber

          Forte doesn’t crack top 50 all-time Bears? Hmmm … debatable. VERY debatable.

          Neal wasn’t near as good as Forte. Check their #s. It’s not close.

          • DaMurph

            Neal was a better pure runner, obviously Forte is much better receiver. Fortes lack of running TD’s are the only minus of his career. Top 50 Bears? Maybe….Top 50 Bears on offense, most definitely!!!

          • SC Dave

            I disagree completely.

            Note the years of service with Chicago of certain players that *just might* make a little difference in the running game.

            Neal Anderson 1986-1993
            Jimbo Covert 1983-1990 2xPB
            Tom Thayer 1985-1993
            Jay Hilgenberg 1981-1993 7xPB
            Mark Bortz 1983-1994 2xPB
            Keith Van Horne 1981-1993

            I’d go look up the pathetic offensive lines that Matt Forte played behind, but it would be depressing.

          • DaMurph

            Didnt say he was better, I said he was a better pure runner. Ive seen both of them play, saw Anderson play in college. Back then the run was always played, now the passing game has taken preference and its hard to compare production from different eras. I stand by my statement that Neal Anderson was a better “runner” not player than Matt Forte

      • SC Dave

        ?

        I’d like to see Matt be successful, and be able to watch the most fun player the Bears had. In Carolina, I think he’d fill both those bills.

        • MB30SD

          I was really speaking to the fact that you’ve been more on car’s jock than ours for a while. After their showing a couple Sundays ago and hearing your boy cam double down on his immaturity, maybe it’s time to come back home my maings. : )

  • Trac

    This has “let the market set the price” on Forte all over it. It’s a no brainer. When a guy asks for too much you gotta let the man walk.

    • SC Dave

      Speculation.

  • Blackhawks63

    Letting Forte walk is the right move, however tough and sad it may be. We are a team in sobering rebuilding mode. Forte was a class act and one of the all time great Chicago players. But time marches forward. I continue to applaud Pace for the ruthless efficiency he brings to his job. He doesn’t let sentiment get in the way of objective decision making. That has to be the way it is. I wish Forte the best.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Let’s hope he’s as ruthless with Unicorn and Alshon’s contract i.e. he lets Uni walk, and offers AJ a reasonable but not top tier contract.

      • willbest

        I will eat crow if Alshon gets less than 14 million a year or 30 million guaranteed.

        • He BETTER make that this yr while we have the $.
          Worse if it’s backloaded.

          Just ask the Lions.

          • willbest

            If his cap hit in 2016 isn’t over 16 million the Bears will have done it wrong. And I know that statement will make Irish’s head explode. But he is just going to have to get comfortable with the going postal here in a couple months.

          • Irish Sweetness

            (stunned)
            Okay. For the board …..

            Von Miller ….. or Alshon and Uni ?

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Comparing Forte to Sayers, take into account their performance in context…and this is nothing against Forte.
    Sayers wins ROY, sets league record for TDs in a season and all purpose yards in a season, out of the gate. He averages 17 yards per catch…Matty never averaged more than 10. Ties single game record for touchdowns on a crappy, muddy Wrigley Field in December with 6.
    Year two, he leads the league in rushing, and breaks his own all purpose yards record by 200 yards.
    Year three, his % of rushing attempts drops from half of all carries to about 1/3…still drops 800+ rushing yards in 14 games. Averages 37.7 yards per KO return in 16 attempts, 3 for TDs.
    Year four, averages 6.2 YPC over 9 games before his knee gets shredded, Was on pace to win the league rushing title again.
    Year 5, comes back from knee butchery, leads the league in rushing on a godawful team (1-13) that had nothing else.

    I love Forte, but when you look at the clips of both, and you compare the numbers, Sayers was a force of nature in his first five years. I’d give him the nod as the second best back to #34.

    • That Guy

      I agree with all of this. And I also rank Sayers ahead of Forte.

      But my question is this: If Sayers had stayed in the league for another 5 years and basically sucked when he wasn’t injured. Would we still look at him the same way?

      • willbest

        probably not. I think you can forgive a bad year or two while they try to get more money for their family. But if an athlete is going to be mediocre for half their career, it will put a damper on all their highlights

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Probably not, but he didn’t.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Even then, those first five years are phenomenal. Hard to come up with equivalent players.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Bo Jackson had a 5.4 YPC to Gale’s 5.0.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            We were talking Bears running backs. Jackson was a freak of nature but his run in the NFL was barely a blip.

          • SC Dave

            Bo Jackson had 18 TD in four years. 4.5 per year. So by your measure, he was nothing.

          • CanadaBear

            Sayers AVERAGED 30.6 yds/kick off return and 14.5 yds/punt return for his CAREER! You can take that Bo Jackson bullshit somewhere else!

          • CanadaBear

            Not to mention his Oline was crap. I’ve said this many times but Gale had a ton of great runs called back due to George Seals holding. Maybe that was the reason for some of those runs but not all of them. Who knows? The didn’t have instant replay back then. Yeah, I’m old!

    • Trac

      Anything from here on out will be a liability with him if a GM pays too much for his services. He’s been a great player from the get go but at this point in his career, he’s replaceable.

      • willbest

        On the flip side, Pace must be having some promising hypothetical conversations with agents. Because there are worse things to spend money on than an experienced pass-catching RB.

      • AlbertInTucson

        The Cowboys parted ways with Emmitt Smith.

        The 49ers bid Jerry Rice Adieu.

        The Steelers said good-bye to Franco Harris.

        • Irish Sweetness

          And they sure did cash in on Herschel Walker.

      • SC Dave

        We’ll see just how replaceable he is.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Langford showed flashes but I agree that they are awfully big shoes to fill. Unfortunately, it’s the nature of the beast, especially at RB.

    • AlbertInTucson

      In that rookie season, Sayers amassed those 22 TDs on just 232 touches in 14 games.

      I’m not even sure when he actually began starting but I DON’T think it was week 1 or 2 in 1965 because he only had 166 carries from scrimmage.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I think my post got discarded, but yeah, even when he was the bellcow of the offense, Sayers didn’t exceed more than 40ish % percent of the carries. By comparison, Forte, like other lead backs of the modern era, is getting the rock more like 60-70% of the time.

        • AlbertInTucson

          The “Kansas Comet” also coughed the bull up NINE times that rookie season.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            He was kind of a fumble machine his whole career. Forte has much better numbers there, for sure.

          • CanadaBear

            Walter was too early in his career. It’s tough being a Bears fan sometimes but when it comes to RB’s and MLB’s life has been good.

    • SC Dave

      Sayers was better than Payton before the injury. He was amazing.

      Too bad he knows it so well.

    • Doc Nitty

      If anybody’s questioning that they’re clearly crazy.

  • TBC

    Love the picture. Great game, that was.

  • More importantly, will Forte make the Madden cut for all-Bear team?

    Do they even have that feature anymore? Used to be cool since the Bears have the most Hofers of any team.

    Could put Bronko on 1st, Sweatness 2nd, then Gayers on 3rd.

    And for LB could put in Singletary, Butkus and Bill George and call it a day.

    QB…not so much…

    • BerwynBomber

      Sid Luckman!

      • yeah, it probably is him, mcMahon, or Cutty now?

        • BerwynBomber

          That would be my order of ranking: Luckman, McMahon, Cutler.

          P.S. I always felt Harbaugh could have been better he was when here and never felt Ditka was a good coach for QB development. But who knows. Anyway, was nice to see Harbaugh have those couple of nice golden years with the Colts.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Cutty comes in for Mac when injured, and throws the hail marys.

    • beninnorcal

      No Lach?

  • lol. Ppl still assume the offense won’t regress? I can see this ending well.

    The Bears are adding former Rutgers offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Ben McDaniels to their offensive staff, SI.com reported Friday.

    McDaniels is the younger brother of Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. Ben McDaniels’ first NFL job was on his brother’s staff in Denver in 2009, and he was the Broncos quarterbacks coach in 2010.

    He spent the last two seasons at Rutgers and was offensive coordinator last season. McDaniels, 35, also was an offensive assistant for the Buccaneers in 2012-13. – Roto.

    I’m sure Cutty holds no grudges, right?

    • willbest

      you think a 32 year old multimillionaire is really going to hold a grudge against a guy that wasn’t part of the organization when he was there just because the guys brother dissed him?

      • Be surprised. Athletes can hold grudges forever.

        Didn’t Jordan piss on some ppl from like HS for ‘dissing’ him at his induction?

        Never know.

    • Irish Sweetness

      That can’t be a good thing. The hairs on the back of the alpha male Grizzly are bristling.

  • Jack Lacan

    Matt Forte is thirty. He was a remarkably durable Bear. He did his job.
    See ya Matt.

  • Trac

    Forte didn’t exactly leave the Bears penny less. The Bears paid him over 34 mil.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/matt-forte/

    • BerwynBomber

      He earned it.

      • Trac

        Jess he did.

    • willbest

      A steal for what he gave them.

      • Trac

        Jess, I wonder if he’ll be able to afford health care in 5 years.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Breaking news…. Jason Whitlock is terrible. Terrible writer, hypocritical to the nth degree, and name drops Jeff George every third column as if Jeff George was ever relevant in the NFL.

    • MB30SD

      you’re really back?!?!?

      • DaMurph

        Think its really him???

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        It sure looks that way!

        • MB30SD

          Awww, look at you!

          Hmmmm… errathing ok? Behavior I’ve learned, doesn’t change fo nuthin

  • Trac

    Here’s my take on why there’s no outcry Forte’s not coming back.

    The Bears have been miserable for the last three years and a dissapointment for the 5 years prior. He was window dressing, and for most Bears fans, that’s just not enough.

    • Shady

      There’s no outcry because anyone who was paying attention saw this coming a mile away.

      Most fans understand it’s a business.

      • ‘cept SC, apparently.

        • BerwynBomber

          Hey, it was his fave Bear, and let’s be honest, there was a lot of Kleenex used on Peanut’s exit last year. And Forte was every bit as good of a football player as Peanut, if not better.

          • Shady

            People were sad to see Nut go but nobody was MAD about it… I think.

          • BerwynBomber

            Blogfather, I believe, was. He just didn’t break furniture over it a’la Dave with Forte.

          • SC Dave

            One certainty is that my furniture is intact.
            One uncertainty is whether the Bears’ offense is intact.

            We’ll see.

          • Doc Nitty

            Different scenarios . The nut was old and broken.

  • And yes, my new avi is none other than Billy Batts.
    Get your shine box!

    • The GP

      so so good

    • Irish Sweetness

      Oh yes. Hats off sir.

  • BerwynBomber

    Btw, a story that’s old hat now, but one of the HoF voters admitted (on the Dan P show) that TO didn’t make the cut because he was such a lockerroom distraction. SMH.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/02/11/hall-of-fame-voter-says-terrell-owens-didnt-make-it-because-he-was-so-disruptive/

    • Irish Sweetness

      Locker rooms and the HOF. SMH. Only two receivers caught more TDs.

      • BerwynBomber

        Agreed. Sportswriters being moral arbiters when it comes to awards/honors always seem ludicrous. I’m willing to believe TO was a lockerroom cancer, but really, that shouldn’t matter when someone has his numbers.
        Ah well …

        • willbest

          Unless you can prove that it cost his team a championship/playoff bid

        • DaMurph

          It sure didnt cost them a super bowl.

      • Trac

        I have no problem with T.O. being put on ice for another year.

    • Trac

      Hello…I’ve been saying this since day 1. To me, T.O. was everything role model shouldn’t be. For some reason, Aaron Hernandez comes to mind.

      • DaMurph

        Well then how did Charles Haley get in? He was about the worse locker room guy I ever heard of. That sick son of a bitch did everything except fuck a team mate in the ass. The HOF has way worse that TO in there. Once again unless part of the criteria is something other than what they did on the field, not just because some shit head writer didnt like his attitude, I call bullshit on the whole process.

        • Trac

          Two wrongs make a right? Haley was nowhere near as high profile as T.O. people’s be people’s Murph. Life’s a popularity contest. Besides, didn’t T.O. fake a suicide in order to garner attention for one of his “press conferences”?

          • DaMurph

            HOF should be about on the field accomplishments. I hated the guy as an opponent but there is no denying his talent! The HOF is full of bad citizens, but great players. LT, coke addict, pedophile, but his bust is there.Haleys profile was just as high as TO when he was playing. The 9ers didnt let him walk because he was a good citizen. John Randle another ass hole to the 10th degree but dammit his bust is in there. If its about good citizenry then fine, rescind the assholes induction and re vote good citizens in. If it is about accomplishments on the field the TO belongs. To be honest, most football players probably wouldnt make good role models so not sure why you bothered to bring that into the conversation.

          • Trac

            Jess you’re about the hip hop ocrasy but defending T.O. is laughable to me. Just sayin.

          • DaMurph

            Go to work or something my friend! Ha!

          • CanadaBear

            I totally agree Murph but you know they just didn’t want him to be a first ballot HOF’er. I’m sure he’ll get in within another year or two.

          • BerwynBomber

            You can make the case Favre was a locker room distraction during the back-end of his career. Held a couple of organizations hostage with his will he/won’t he act, had a separate locker room with the NYJ and reportedly iced out Rodgers after the latter was drafted by GB.

            Point is, I don’t think these sportswriters should EVER be weighing stuff that happens outside the white lines. It’s bad precedent.

            And no, I don’t really give a shit about TO but I do get annoyed when sportswriters get drunk on the powers of their misguided judgment of human character.

          • Doc Nitty

            I’m with ya Murph but to be fair, Haley had to wait a LONG time to get in. And TOs locker room drama HAD to carry over to the field.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If five rings doesn’t get you into the HOF ….
            Besides, wasn’t that bipolar or some such …?

            Warren Moon is in the hall and he wrapped a phone cord around his wife’s neck.
            Then again, I don’t know what she said to deserve that.

          • Trac

            Like I said, life’s a popularity contest. Being a nice asshole has its perks I guess.

  • Irish Sweetness

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000635962/article/who-is-your-man-crush-in-this-years-draft-class

    What round is Derrick Henry going in? I know we have RBs, but he’s 6’3, 245lbs and ran a 4.4 on grass?

    • BerwynBomber

      History of ALA RBs hasn’t been that good recently … well, except Fat Eddie …

  • Irish Sweetness

    Okay, so you take Matt’s 9M, Uni’s 6M, Bushrod’s 7M (neither started WHEN HEALTHY), and with all that extra cap space … couldn’t we sign Von Miller AND Wilkerson?

    Sign Ricardo Lockette.

    Draft Ragland/Jack … a CB and OT
    …aren’t we basically in the super bowl at that point?

    Here’s your 8-man rush front.

    Nanny – Ragland – Timu – Miller.
    Wilko-Eddie-Terry-Young.

    Meditate on that.

    • willbest

      Well you have 9 more days to enjoy your fantasy. Then the Franchise tags role out.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Fantasy. Denver is not about to let Miller go anywhere but back to Denver.

      • MB30SD

        yep, no way in hell denver lets the best D player in the league just skate outta there. at the very least, they’ll tag is ass as will alludes to below.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Well that would give us a free shot at Malik or Trevathan.

  • CanadaBear

    Never really heard this story about the first time Cutler and McDaniel talked in Denver. Not surprising Cutler wanted out of there. The rest of the article, meh.

    http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/report-bears-set-hire-josh-mcdaniels-brother-coaching-staff

    • MB30SD

      mcDainiels is one of the three biggest asshole trifecta in football… along with lane kiffin and that idiot from texas tech (mike leach I think)

      • Trac

        What about the Urban Meyer’s of the NCAA that squashed a murder investigation of Aaron Hernandez? If we only heard the half of it. I’m very much like GP in the sense that sometimes I wonder why I still love football. There’s a lot of slime attached to the game.

        • MB30SD

          Anywhere there’s money to be made my maings

      • CanadaBear

        I wasn’t surprised that McDaniel spent 20 minutes bragging about himself, I was a little surprised that he berated and swore at Cutler and his agent the way it’s reported. I get you’re trying to get the guy’s attention but for fuck’s sake, don’t be such an idiot.

        • MB30SD

          He can’t help himself

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Tiny dude syndrome.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Brian Cushing.

        • MB30SD

          Really??

          Meh, he’s just a fucking dumb meathead. He doesn’t even come close.

          We’re talking coachesreally, and guys like the Arkansas razorbacks hc who crashed his bike with his mistress on the back, then fled. Or good old mustgrave.

          Aaaaaaasshoooooles

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Fun fact, Peyton allegedly sexually assaulted a grad student at u of t.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      By fun, obviously disgusting.

      • CanadaBear

        Holy Crap! Hope there isn’t anything to it.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Posted the link above. It’s the NY daily news but worth a read.

          • Johnnywad

            There’s no way what she alleges happened. I’m not suggesting she may not have been assaulted, but you can’t slide down a table, while on your back as a woman holds your foot, and somehow rest your balls and anus on her face. I should know, I’ve tried. My wife sees it coming now so I stopped.

          • CanadaBear

            I really don’t care that much that he might have given her a Mega-Teabag, it’s the lying and smearing her that pisses me off. Don’t get me wrong, if he did teabag her, he’s really a jagoff but 20 year-olds do stupid shit. Archie and Peyton going around trying to destroy her is despicable.

          • BearDown100393

            Allegedly

          • CanadaBear

            Thank you!

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Who says he was on his back? Could’ve easily been sitting on the edge in a towel, for instance. I mean, is not that improbable a scenario.

          • Johnnywad

            “Here I come! Scooting my butt down the table now! Hold your face still while I rest my Gooch upon it and drape my giant Manning cock over your skull.”

            I’m sorry Posse. There’s just no way that went down. I’ve never tried to rest my balls on a woman’s face that preferred they not be there, but I can say without hesitation, I know its impossible.

          • MB30SD

            Can that Korean company PLEASE do a digital reenactment!! Pleeeease!

  • CanadaBear
  • CanadaBear
    • MB30SD

      They were especially plodding at inside linebacker, where the Shea McClellin era can now mercifully end

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
    • Shady

      “On Feb. 29 of that year, Naughright, at that point the university’s director of health and wellness, was in a training room, examining what she thought might be a possible stress fracture in Manning’s foot. At 6 feet, 5 inches, his feet dangled off the edge of the table. Manning allegedly then proceeded to scoot down the training table while Naughright examined his foot. At that point, she said, he forcefully maneuvered his naked testicles and rectum directly on her face with his penis on top of her head.”

      • Johnnywad

        There’s no way that’s true or even possible, so I’m going to laugh, because that’s some funny shit.

        1.) Are college football players typically buck naked while having a female trainer check their foot for a stress fracture? No, no they’re not.

        2.) So she’s kneeling down, just checking out a foot, and he somehow slides down the table, until his bridge is resting on her nose? Hahahahaha!!! While she’s got hold of his foot? And then what? She looks up, without moving, as he what, pushes his ass off the table, while still on his back and lays it all on her face?

        I’m sorry. That didn’t happen. It isn’t possible, and it’s really fucking funny to read.

        • BearDown100393

          Agreed

        • MB30SD

          Totally… and I laughed my fucking ass off at the training table teabag!!

          The ol TTT!!

          • When she orders salami with a side order of meatballs from Papa Johns, does Peyton show up in person?

          • MB30SD

            Yes.

          • Doc Nitty

            Forehead-rest-for-cock-n-balls.

          • Johnnywad

            That is some funny shit. You know, one minute you’re just checking out some guy’s sore foot, the next, you’re wearing his cock and balls like a baseball hat on backwards. No flat bills though.

          • MB30SD

            Baaaaaahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

            …um, not that I Condon butthole hattery

          • Trac

            If that were my sister, egg head wouldn’t have made it outta college with 2 good knees. Just sayin.

          • Doc Nitty

            Classic.

          • Doc Nitty

            Training-table-tea-bag-gag

        • Trac

          Not sure how you come to that conclusion from Shady’s post, not that I’m saying I believe it, but if a series of boys can be raped in the shower room for years at Penn State, this and much much worse is very possible.

          • Johnnywad

            Because of the choreography required to make it happen. To get his anus and balls up against her face, and his schlong atop her head, one of them has to be laying down. There simply is no other way to make it happen in the context she described. So if he’s laying down, did she just stare up into the light as he brought it in for the landing? If what she says is so, why not turn your head? Or simply resist with a hand? You have to be pretty compliant to end up in that position.
            And she’s not a 12 year old boy. She was a mature, professional woman. As such, why look at his foot, while he’s stark naked?

            The whole thing makes no sense.

          • MB30SD

            Have to agree…. but the vision is still hilarious.

            All that said, this is 100% something a star football player would do on a dare or some shit. Maybe hes an acrobat in his spare time

          • Johnnywad

            Oh I don’t doubt he may have assaulted her in some way. That’s the first thing I said up top. He may that guy for all I know. There’s just no way it went down like that.

            I still just keep laughing at the phraseology. “Forcefully maneuvered his naked testacles and rectum on her face.”

          • Trac

            I just don’t see humor is this. Obviously one of them wasn’t laughing about it. I guess having a daughter and 3 sisters gives me pause for comedy on this kinda stuff.

          • Johnnywad

            Ok Trac. Got it. I have a daughter as well.

            I wouldn’t either if it wasn’t total bullshit. But it is.

          • Trac

            Not trying to be ornery, these kind of stories hit home for me so I wear my heart on my sleeve on issues like this.

          • Johnnywad

            You were born ornery my friend. Any Texan with a Ford Raptor……well, ornery.

          • Trac

            Hahaha. Well done JW. Jerk.

          • Doc Nitty

            I do.

    • Trac

      Not surprising. Why people think star athletes are infallible is beyond me. Personally, as disgusting as Manning’s alleged behavior was, I’m all for keeping women out of the locker room as well as the training room. Always have been.

      • Bender McLugh

        it’s not alleged though

    • BearDown100393

      Brass tacks. Shaun King is a terrible writer. And not much of a journalist. This is neither a breaking story nor an editorial. It is something in the middle. And for any editor permitting this to be published is unworthy to work for a legitimate newspaper. I can only presume the NY Daily News is more tabloid based than traditional format. King is free to write what he wants. But how he presents his facts to the table should not be laced with a clear cut bias toward the reported content. Was an attempt even made for a comment from either Manning prior to print? A journalist cannot have it both ways. Furthermore in this particular circumstance, King should be obligated to disclose he himself was severely assaulted by “rednecks” while in high schools (Reference – his Wikipedia page). Personal conjecture seems to be running interference when combing through this mess line by line. And this is supposedly a “senior writer”? If this is the state of current professional reporting in the papers, no wonder print is nearly dead.

      • SC Dave

        Pretty sure NY Daily News is a tabloid

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          The story is being covered by every major media outlet now. King may be a hack, but he dug up something that everybody wants a piece of now.
          Right or wrong.

    • Peyton couldn’t one up Favre in some football categories, so he decided to one up him in balls category.

      Hay-ho!

      Get your shinebox!

  • Trac

    Jeff’s now speaking for dead supreme court justices? smh.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Anyone got their eye on any college backs? Drafting a guy like David Johnson in the third and paying them nothing for four years is the way to go. Let their contract expire. Rinse and repeat.

    • MB30SD

      Ilb, dl… we have like 10 goodnot great rbs already.

      Langston
      Carey
      Jackwheezy
      Some other dude
      Etc..

      • Irish Sweetness

        Jocksqueeze isn’t under contract methinks. One year deal. Lasike was on the PS – he’s a load. Rugby player I think.

        • MB30SD

          Yeah, but both can be had again for a coke and a smile

  • Irish Sweetness

    One more to the lawyers … why did this judge walk out of court ? It seems this defendant (charged with fishing without a permit) declared himself a a “living man not the name held by the state in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, I am not the all capital fiction, I am the living man whose mark is that of life…” and had the case dismissed by the judge leaving the court. She even tried holding him in contempt of court and he shouted at her, saying she had already held the court in contempt. Also, this idea of a person in “all caps” raises its head again. Does the ALL CAPS thing mean you’re ‘dead’? What’s going on here?

    • MB30SD

      Huh??

      • Irish Sweetness

        The reason I ask is because there are a number of regs who are lawyers, meaning their loyalty is to the courts. I’m curious to see if they’ll engage on refusing to say that you understand the charges against you, and refusing to enter a plea i.e. not giving the court jurisdiction over you. Then if you do get prosecuted, you can go to a higher court you can ask to appeal based on lack of subject matter jurisdiction. Just curious.

        • CanadaBear

          Unless it’s a serious charge with some jail time, why would anyone appeal decisions on traffic charges? Unless you happen to have unlimited time and money.

          • That Guy

            (1) To keep your license.
            (2) Because you’ve got time on your hands and maybe you do the appeal yourself.
            (3) Because some lobbyist group wants the appeal to happen and backs you.
            (4) Because an attorney who does traffic work full time wants to make a name for himself (either for free, paid by a lobby, or with a willing client).

          • CanadaBear

            I’d go along with #1 but the other seem to be a stretch for the regular guy.

          • That Guy

            1 is common.
            2 is common, but only for crazy people.
            3 and 4 are fairly rare, but do happen once or twice a year.

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta believe ya! #2 makes me laugh.

        • Trac

          I never met a Lawyer whose loyalty didn’t bow to their billing prowess first and foremost.

          • That Guy

            Unfortunately there are many attorneys who fit that profile.

            But I know quite a few attorneys that do a lot of good things for people either pro bono or at a significant discount.

            Good attorneys who realize they aren’t going to get paid on a case withdraw because this is their livelihood and they need to work for paying customers. But until they withdraw? They fulfill their duties. The Rules of Professional Responsibility require it.

          • Trac

            I agree for the most part. I actually have a corporate law attorney that is the nicest down to earth guy I’ve ever met. There have been times I felt that he didn’t bill me enough on work he’s done on my behalf.

          • Trac

            I have a question for you: if your client that has deep pockets is being sued and by all accounts it’s a frivolous lawsuit, what goes through your mind when your client says “I’m not settling for any amount?”.

          • That Guy

            Well if its a frivolous suit, we can usually get it knocked out inexpensively. But the first thing to look at is whether we can recover attorney’s fees or if the only benefit is to “send a message.”

            But assuming its not a frivolous lawsuit, but it is winnable, then I always go through the settlement options anyway. I’m always concerned that if the guy is paying me big bugs for no good reason, he’ll eventually turn his anger my way.

            I tell all my clients the same thing, and I mean it: I don’t need to put my kids through college because of your one lawsuit.

          • Trac

            Jess, I propose that congress adopts an affordable lawcare act..

          • Irish Sweetness

            Are court-appointed lawyers that bad? Are you always screwed if you can’t afford your own?

          • CanadaBear

            You need to get out more Trac. Of course, they’re looking to get paid, who doesn’t?

          • Trac

            That was tongue in cheek cman. Evra body hates lawyers until they need one.

          • CanadaBear

            I have a couple in the family. There are a lot of people that do believe what you wrote. Glad you aren’t one of them!!!!!

    • Irish Sweetness

      And here’s another guy that says he doesn’t recognise the court. The judge calls recess, the dude says “the Judge has abandoned the court, abandoned ship … case dismissed.”
      Walks the fuck out.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        If those cops do actually wave them on, my guess is there is way more eye rolling, and less “oh good point” involved. Cops have shit to do other than argue with crazy people.

      • That Guy

        Not a criminal lawyer, but my understanding is that someone saying “I don’t understand the charges” will result in a court appointed attorney (whether they want one or not). This guy knew exactly what the charges were, he was just being difficult. If all you have to do to avoid criminal charges is say “I don’t recognize your authority,” we would have a pretty impotent criminal justice system.

        You can say a lot of things about our criminal justice system, including accusing it of being ineffective at preventing crime or accusing it of allowing bad judges to stay on the bench. But you can’t say its impotent – there are too many people in jail today to say that.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Thanks, NB. But what about all this “living man stuff”? Why would a judge walk out of court, and then just stand there until the guy left?

          • That Guy

            I have no idea what the court documents look like in that state (I think that was Oregon or Washington), or in that county. Every local system makes their own forms.

            I don’t quite understand what happened at the end there. Its possible (likely actually) that there was an issue with charges and that they were going to have to be dropped anyway so the Judge decided to let the guy go rather than lose face if she pushed him to trial and then he won. But she clearly did not have control of her courtroom, which is never a good look for a Judge.

            What I have seen done, and I would do the same in that situation, is to ask a sheriff (or baliff, whatever they call them there) to remove the defendant from the courtroom. I would have him wait somewhere (there’s usually a holding room). I would finish my entire call, so that the courtroom was no longer crowded with people. I would bring him back out and say “I held you for criminal contempt of court, I will stay that contempt finding until we are done here. If you disrespect my courtroom again, you will serve a one day sentence for that finding and we will try again tomorrow.” I would also have appointed counsel for him once he started spouting off.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Good stuff, thanks NB.
            Hey, it’s the offseason, right?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Apparently, Mounta man, Ernie Tertelgte, did appear in court again, this time a competent male judge …

        “Ernie attempted to preach his mystic jargon to the judge and refused to remove his mountaineer hat, and was quickly removed from the court as a result. He was forced to sit hatless and handcuffed in a room alone and listen as the judge found him guilty of resisting arrest, plus slap him with a new charge of contempt of court for not shutting his trap. This new charge gave him an instant 30 days in an unnatural, mountain-free jail cell where he wouldn’t need a license to eat.”

  • Irish Sweetness

    Ah, the flipside of ‘sovereign citizens’ . Don’t fuck with cops. The first one is classic.

  • That Guy

    New site with some pretty well thought out articles offers a Bears off-season preview that I can’t really argue with too much.

    http://www.profootballrumors.com/nfl-offseason-outlook-chicago-bears-2016/

    Our in house off-season priorities should be:

    – Tagging Jeffery right away and getting a long term deal done.
    – Exercising the 5th year option on Long and trying to get a deal done
    – Telling Marty’s agent flat out that there will be no significant extension to his contract (maybe explore adding a year or two at roughly the same average). If he threatens a holdout, we need to find out whether there is trade value and avoid a year of Marty creating bad blood in the locker room.

    We have bargaining power in all three of these situations that we lose next year without getting something done.
    – Jeffery is good, but not two tags in a row good.
    – The longer Long has to wait till free agency, and the more uncertain his eventual move to left tackle is, the more team friendly the deal is.
    – Marty has trade value now that will shrink and shrink as time passes and teams get their rosters solidified.

    • CanadaBear

      Here’s a link to JWood’s cohorts new site. http://www.nfcnorthbarroom.com/ryan-pace-faces-decisions-bears-players/

      • That Guy

        Bushrod is gone. You can’t spend $8M for a guy to play in jumbo packages. They’re right, we need to build depth. But you don’t build quality depth by forcing an expensive veteran into a rotation where doesn’t belong.

        Bennett is a mystery. I agree we should try to keep him if he’s able to be productive. But if the rumors are true that he’s an issue in the locker room? This might be a case of “better a year early than a year late.”

        Bennett’s departure would free up some cash for Miller. And the team could still look at Dwayne Allen – giving us a solid, if pricey, 2 TE front.

        I appreciate that Miller wants $5MM a year, but he’s not going to get it in real money. The team can give him a big sounding contract with small guarantees if he’s desperate for cash (4 years, $20M, $7M guaranteed), but I think he can be retained even if we let him test the market.

        • CanadaBear

          Totally agree. Bennett has to walk a tight rope on this one. If he truly wants to be traded, he can raise a stink and be a pain in the ass (the usual) but if he goes too far with it teams will be a little reluctant to trade for him. I can’t imagine the Bears will release him. He can bitch all he wants about being underpaid (probably is) but $5 mil is a lot vs $0.

          • That Guy

            Bennett can probably get $5M if he hits the open market, even with a “bad attitude” reputation. The risk for Bennett is that the team doesn’t cut him until all the big FA money is already spent.

            If Bennett hits FA, say, after the draft, his payday will have gone to someone like Cobey Fleener and teams that missed in FA will have drafted TE prospects.

            When teams are pissed at players, those are the kinds of moves they make that don’t get a lot of press. And Bennett will have no one to blame but himself because he’ll be the guy acting like a jerk.

          • CanadaBear

            Couldn’t agree more.

          • Jokey

            Good points. I agree with the nfcnorthbarroom article – Marty has only grumbled but hasn’t raised a big stink (in public anyway). And since he’s been quiet both on and off the field, maybe he realizes his situation is different now than before the season when he skipped the voluntary workouts. I think he’ll play the last year on his current salary, and maybe a big next contract will motivate him to have a huge year.

          • Trac

            I bet Uni stays. The Bears shouldn’t trade him unless they get a sweet offer.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think that Bushrod and Uni were not starting, but healthy, indicates a likely exit soon.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Do we want to sign Miller at 31? I like the guy, but if he wants 5M …? Plus like you say, Allen is available (as is Coby Fleener).

          • CanadaBear

            He’s asking for $5 mil. Asking and getting are not the same.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dude …. you can’t post shit about aliens or sovereignty …. or anything. You just …read.

  • That Guy

    Everyone (including me) wants to rebuild the front seven with our top pick, but I submit another possibility.

    Jalen Ramsey is a player a lot of teams won’t know what to do with. He’s a bit big to play corner (might struggle against the quicker WRs), he’s not a true safety because he does so much coverage work. But his ceiling is an every down coverage back that plays press man, single high safety and blitzing DB all extremely well. Some would call him a reach at #11, but he’s not going to make it out of the first round.

    So if Fangio says “I can make that guy the next Charles Woodson” and succeeds, is anyone really disappointed?

    • MB30SD

      No reaches, no projects, no out smarting himself.

      Pace needs to take the best friggin defensive player @ 11… and every other pick we have for the next 3 years.

      Let’s not get cute… Angelo and emery did a millennium worth.

      • That Guy

        That’s not what I meant. This guy isn’t a project. A lot of teams really like him at safety or corner, he’s just not a traditional “cover corner” or “in the box safety.” JJ Watt isn’t a traditional 3-4 DE either, that doesn’t make him ineffective.

      • willbest

        Our offense would fall a part if you did it for 3 years. At least by 2018 a QB needs to be taken in round 1 or 2

        • MB30SD

          Not what I really meant, but yeah

    • The fact that Pace drafted White proves that he’s willing to draft BPA, so I think if a blue chipper falls to #11, there’s a strong possibility he’ll draft him regardless of position.

      However, while Fangio plays a 3-4, he’s not exotic like Lebeau used to be with the Steelers. In some ways, it’s rather bland, rarely rushing more than 4 ever (maybe this was due to his acknowledgment of our lack of talent).

      They could very well love Ramsey. A lot of buzz about his upside. He might be a bigger version of Honey Badger, which would be scary, but Fuller was also supposed to be ‘flexible’ and so far he’s been very inconsistent and struggles mightily. Maybe we’re jaded from him.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’ve never loved a draft until last year. POX look like they know what they’re doing, and I’m excited for whatever they do. I think we’ll have a great team in two years and it’s not even a thing.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I like him. He looks NFL. Big guy. Single high behind our hopefully dream-7. I like it.
      Particularly if they sign a Wilkerson and Trevathan. I don’t think there is such a thing as a reach if you draft a guy and he becomes a career starter for you. You didn’t roll the dice to see if he’d be there in the next round. You picked, you hit. Can’t do any more than that.

  • Bender McLugh

    Pffftttt women drivers….

    http://www.topgear.com/car-news/motorsport/watch-new-tg-host-sabine-decimate-all-ring

    This course looks seriously fun, and she OWNS it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I felt sick watching that. She has big hairy balls, no question.

  • That Guy

    Funny it hasn’t really registered. First Sunday with no football 🙁

    • Shady

      Sucks, but at the same time feels kinda nice to get my Sunday afternoons back.

      • Trac

        Was that Manning link you posted for realz?

        • Shady

          Rabbit posted it, didn’t he? And OH YES it’s fo reals.

          • MB30SD

            Where you ats?! Bang bang… gots the new pax

            Thazz how real peoplz eat they bananas

    • Doc Nitty

      The first Sunday without football is also a three day weekend, as if to taunt you mercilessly with your boredom.

    • SC Dave

      Football on Sundays ended Jan 3. Though football that mattered ended about three weeks earlier. Or more.

  • Jack Lacan

    Ok…No football, but we can watch the billionaires fight it out for who will rule the country.
    See Onion. Ain’t America great?

    • Sanders not a billionaire.

      • willbest

        Sanders’ backers are. They all have billionaire backers if they have made it this far. Even Trump has other billionaire backers besides himself.

      • Johnnywad

        Wouldn’t that be impossible within his platform?

        • willbest

          The Mao generation that lead China were wealthy. However they understood that perception mattered. Their children considered perception to be less of an issue and the grandchildren less so. The great grandchildren like run over peasants in their Ferraris while intoxicated or some such. They are “affectionately” referred to as princelings.

          • Johnnywad

            Well fuck those guys then. That sounds terrible. What were we talking about again…….?

          • willbest

            I assumed you were talking about how socialism precludes the leaders being wealthy. When history has demonstrated that there is no system in which the elite aren’t Scrooge McDuck wealthy. The biggest difference between socialism and capitalism tends to be how many people are in the middle.

          • Johnnywad

            I was just goofin Will. I contend that it makes no damn difference who we elect anymore. There will be no meaningful change affected.
            You and I have lived through a series of administrations led by men that could be no more different from their predecessor. Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama…… These men couldn’t be more unalike. Outside of Reagan spending the commies into oblivion, name something any of them have done to point the country in a more positive direction. I can’t think of anything. All the talk of policy, foreign and domestic, streamlining government, fixing the economy, solving the debt problem……all of it. What’s actually working better than it was in 1980? Everybody’s still bitching about the same things. The rich getting richer, jobs going overseas, jumping into a foreign war every now and again. All the same shit for 40 years. Trump, Clinton, Sanders, et Al. One of them is going to get elected, get to Washington, and realize they can’t get a damn thing done.

          • willbest

            I suppose that depends on what you define as a positive direction. A good 20-30% of the country seems to be cheering the decline of the United States. I don’t recall it being that large two decades ago. Presumably they are happy with the direction the country is going.

            And they do accomplish quite a bit, and in truth there is something to like from every president from each side. Though admittedly, I have had to look hard to find the good in the current one, past at least he wasn’t McCain.

          • Johnnywad

            Positive, as determined by a productive member of a society from an era gone by.

          • Trac

            Didn’t Mao come up with the idea of super delegates? Hmm…

      • Jack Lacan

        Yah, but he’s not hurting. How can anyone not like Bernie – he’s like Jerry Seinfeld.

        • willbest

          Well there was the whole spending his 20s and 30s as a gypsy.

    • willbest

      2016 could not be more enjoyable if it were scripted.

  • MB30SD

    great flick if you haven’t seen it yet btw.

    • Irish Sweetness

      My favorite scene!!! Great line too.

      • MB30SD

        …Imma tear up the fucking dance floor dude, check it out

        • Trac

          Smh. Lol. Go boi. Ju an jor CJ-5. Hahaha

    • The GP

      excellent

  • Jack Lacan

    Watched the opening ten minutes of My Bloody Valentine. I would like to nominate it as the worst film ever made in the history of film. Just saying.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I watched 21 Jump Street at the weekend because I heard it was good. It wasn’t.

      • CanadaBear

        The follow up to it is even worse (by a lot).

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog

    It was impossible not to. Benson looked like a budding star. https://twitter.com/leftano3/status/699001025424924674 …”

    Rashaan Salaam scored 9 TDs in his rookie year.

    Anthony “A Train” Thomas looked like a comer, too.

    Like the song C’EST LA LA VIE:

    ” ‘C’Est La Vie’ say the old folks it goes to show you never can tell.”

  • Irish Sweetness

    http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/feb/15/kanye-west-53m-debt-mark-zuckerberg-larry-page-martin-shkreli

    Wow. Kanye, apparently $53M in debt, reckons Zuckerberg should help him out because he’s “this generation’s Disney”.

    • Scharfinator

      I can’t tell if it is a publicity stunt or real.

      If it’s real, I wonder if he will rescind his genius comments…

      • Trac

        I only have one question. What has that dude been smoking? Doc?

        • CanadaBear

          From my experience (some would say vast) weed doesn’t make you say delusional things unless you are already delusional. This guy made the perfect choice hooking up with the family that remains nameless. He might have some talent which puts him at the top of the list in that family. Not at the top of the list of many other families however.

      • CanadaBear

        Nah! He will always tell everyone how great he is and his unbelievably untalented wife will swear by it.

      • willbest

        It is no doubt real. It may or may not be genius. If he has $53 million in debt, but its backed up by $100 million in assets, generating $8 million in revenue annually, it wouldn’t be any real concern

        • Scharfinator

          What would the point be? Drum up publicity? He did just release a new album I guess?

      • SC Dave

        Megalomania rarely spontaneously dissipates.

        • Scharfinator

          Right, unless it has been a falsehood the entire time. I’m not really inclined to think so though.

          • SC Dave

            Point

    • Trac

      Did he play football at any level Irish? CTE?

    • willbest

      I have no doubt he has $53 million of debt. I have no idea what kind of concern that would be without more information.

      For example, if you buy a 20-unit apartment building for, $5 million dollars, and put $2 million down, you will have $3 million in debt. But the building could hypothetically generate $100,000 in profit after debt servicing, maintenance, repair, depreciation, etc.

      By contrast if I buy dat ass a love shack for $5 million and put $1 million down. Its going to cost me $300,000 a year out of my other earnings, but I could still sell the asset.

      And then there is the worst kind of debt. Pulling out the Centurion card and renting out a baseball diamond for the afternoon. Which you can’t even sell.

      • Scharfinator

        “And then there is the worst kind of debt. Pulling out the Centurion card and renting out a baseball diamond for the afternoon. Which you can’t even sell.” BOOOOOOM

        Yeezy is going to need to figure something out. I’m sure he will. He is the voice of a generation and a Yenius.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          voice of a generation? i feel sorry for that generation cuz he has said some stupid ass shit.

          • Scharfinator

            Perhaps my facetious tone did not come across properly here. That is a claim he has made though.

      • That Guy

        One does not acculumate $53MM in debt without having some income and assets to go with it.

        If he’s got $53MM in bad debt (meaning credit cards, underwater properties or failed business debts), then he’ll be struggling. But he might still avoid BK.

        The guy’s album will be one of the top sellers this year. His tour will be one of the top sellers when it happens as well. I don’t know what that will put in his pocket, but I don’t think $50MM is out of the question.

    • SC Dave

      What a wanker.

  • Johnnywad

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/02/14/emma-bears-matt-forte-each-moving-in-new-direction/

    And here we go again. Yet another article simultaneously lamenting Matt Forte being “criminally underrated” while lauding his accomplishments and greatness.

    • willbest

      I suspect its because he only has 2 pro-bowls.

      • Johnnywad

        He’s not even been the best back in his division. If you’re sharing a conference with Peterson and Lynch, good luck with that.

        • willbest

          No doubt that plays a part in it. Cam Newton is the 3rd best QB in that division.

        • SC Dave

          Matt forte had 1600 more yards of offense than Lynch, in two fewer seasons.

          Better than Lynch. Not better than AP. Of course, no one is.

          • Johnnywad

            Perhaps. I’m just tired of the story being he’s been somehow overlooked or disrespected. Every piece that’s written proclaims his production. Every game he plays in, there’s a graphic showing how he has the most yards from scrimmage since ’08, or the percentage of the Bears’ offense he has represented, or how durable he’s been. The guy has been to two ProBowls and has been paid like one of the best ten backs in the league. He is not a Hall of Fame player. He’s damn good, but not HOF.

            I’m just tired of the “this is the most overlooked player in the league” narrative. It’s bullshit. The stats speak for themselves, everybody with a brain knows he’s amongst the best at his position since 08.

            So WTF? He gets plenty of respect.

  • Blackhawks63

    The NFL is a ruthless, bottom line business complete with a salary cap. The Bears are in full-scale rebuilding mode, and the LAST thing that should impact decision-making is sentiment on a player. No matter how great that player has been in a Chicago uniform. The time is right to say goodbye to Matt Forte. Of course he still has something left in the tank. But the Bears need to turn the page at running back, use their limited salary cap dollars wisely and blaze the path to future success. I give Ryan Pace an A Plus for how he handled the Forte decision. Forte is a professional and understands this business. He now moves on to another team for a year or two. I wish him nothing but the best.

    • Johnnywad

      I’m with you on most of this post. But the Bears are utterly awash in cash at the moment.

      • Trac

        (Awash in cash)That’s not what he was saying. I think he was saying evra dollar matters.

  • AlbertInTucson

    NBA.

    Another silly All-Star game I haven’t watched in decades.

    I understand that they jacked up 139 3-point attempts and shot 7 free throws.

    Heard today: “Why were there 139 3-point attempts? Because there are no 4-pointers.”

    • BerwynBomber

      I’m of the mind that all all-star games are useless these days. Cable and the internet made them redundant.

      • BearDown100393

        The origin was an exhibition as a charitable benefit. Now it is crass commercialization.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      When I used to coach a few years back, the amount if times the kids would want to attempt 3 pointers drove me insane. High risk, high reward mentality that is the generations “glam” style of play. I would flat out tell them “You suck at threes, stop it or you won’t play”. The amount of attempts in the NBA of doing 3 pointers is probably because of the rules of protecting the offense that has been implemented has caught up to this generation’s playstyle, similar to what is happening to the NFL’s rule changes with protecting offensive players and wanting higher scoring.

      Eventually the balance has to happen, hopefully. Otherwise it’s gonna be like watching Arena Football and Globetrotters, and I am not gonna watch that shit.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse
      • Johnnywad

        And he’s wearing jeans. SMH

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Kind of amazed by emails I’m receiving angrily accusing me of “downplaying” Forte situation. For those folks…OH MY GOD NO MORE FORTE!!!!”

    My guess is because you reacted as emotionally unstable as they did when Peanut was let go, and Forte has arguably been a better player over the course of his career.

    Anyway, time marches on …

    • And Forte still has a 2-3 years left.

      Peanut, obviously not.

      Some ppl reacted that way with Lach, and even Briggs and Olin.

      Fans sometimes have a lot invested in some players apparently.

      • BerwynBomber

        I don’t mind that fans do. Heck, we see it with Cutler fans on here too. But why Blogfather, of all people, would express surprise over some passionate Forte fans seems daft.

        Btw, side note: it will be interesting to see what comes of Peanut in the off-season. I could see CAR deciding to replace him. Then again, they still write checks for Roman Harper, and he’s older than Tillman.

        • MB30SD

          Daft… punk?

          • Trac

            Jeff does really ask for some of the criticism at times but I agree, an insult directed at da blogger fodder is an insult directed at all of us. ’85 hail Mary’s and a bottle of Tradewinds should be adequate punishment wouldn’t you say?

          • MB30SD

            Sure

      • CanadaBear

        Peanut still had the passion but his body kept breaking down (again). Forte still has something left. Lach, Lambo and Olin were all done.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I hope Matt winds up in the AFC.

          • SC Dave

            Please not the Patriots. Talk about a dilemma.

            Actually no. I’ll hate the Cheatriots no matter what.

          • CanadaBear

            I’d still hate them but it would make watching them more interesting.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Gotta believe Tom Brady would LOVE Forte as an option.

            Bit of an upgrade to Steven Jackson, no?

          • Johnnywad

            There was also talk of Calvin Johnson reaching out to the Patriots. Can you imagine Brady and Belichick with Gronk, Forte and Johnson? Good luck stopping that

          • CanadaBear

            I keep reading about Pats, Fudge, SeaSquawks because they are good and Wash and Oak because of scheme. Totally agree about AFC.

      • willbest

        This notion that Forte has 2-3 years left is based on nothing but wishful thinking. Could he do it? yes Is the road to 33 paved with fallen RBs? Yeah. I wish him the best, but if he does it I won’t have any regrets. Seahawks paying Lynch was a decision of the heart, and it cost them money they really could use to keep their defense together.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, but they only got burned by Lynch money one year, correct?
          If so, I’m betting that is a deal SEA makes any day of the week considering all they got out of Lynch for his career. What they undoubtedly regret more is the Jimmy Graham deal.

          • willbest

            Well if he doesn’t have to give the $5 million pro rated bonus back. They will have paid him $13.5 million for the work he did in 2015.

            If they would not have extended him it would have just been 8.5 million, and if had decided to retire at that point they would have saved themselves $7 million.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair enough. But I think most teams can swallow one bad year of a contract, no matter how large. Look at us with Cutty in 2014.

            And in Lynch’s case you can somewhat chalk it up to injuries.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            A while back I started to look into the effects of “dead money” on a team’s success. I got bored and I am pretty sure I asked Data to looked into the impact of “Dead Money” as it correlates to success of teams. He found no correlation. Teams can have several bad contracts on the books and be successful. There are teams that have had $30+ million in dead money in a year and make the playoffs, and teams with less than $10 mill and did not make the playoffs. Successful teams are ones that know when to move on but more importantly get the best value with the money they have available.

    • BearDown100393

      Emails?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Valid point.

      Plus, there was obviously much less left in Tillman’s tank when the Bears let him go.

      Tom Hagen: “It’s BUSINESS, Sonny, not PERSONAL.”

      • BearDown100393

        Hagen was the only who did keep it business. The others claimed it was so and then when about it very personally.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
    • AlbertInTucson

      I didn’t even look. Heard about it on the radio at lunch.

      That X-Ray has GOT to cost him potential money.

      • Shady

        Check out his Twitter profile:

        https://twitter.com/UDWJPP

        Or don’t.

        • MB30SD

          Maybe he should have learned not to hold on so tightly or too long.

          Get it?!?!

          …I was talking about the impending free agency.

  • The GP

    So Doc – here’s some history I didn’t know. BBC is broadcasting live in ’69 as the Apollo guys are on the moon. it’s late, late night tv in UK, and everybody is awake because – you know – there are guys on the freaking moon. (I know Irish, it was a soundstage at Pinewood studios. Take it easy.)

    Anyhow – the host has the Floyd on. And he just lets them open jam. They try and create this free form space trippy stuff and all it Moonhead. And here I thought Moonhead was something MB invented where one girl sits on his face while the other blows him. But no, it’s just some Floyd open jam. Here it is:

    the interwebz. always something out there…

    • MB30SD

      they stoled my shit!!!

      MoFos

      Dude, your avatar is the shit. Sabotage?

      https://img1.etsystatic.com/102/0/8657366/il_570xN.842484429_2vez.jpg

    • Trac
      • Irish Sweetness

        “Recent polls indicate that approximately 20% of Americans are stupid.”

        • Irish Sweetness

          Poor article, but then all of these click-bait ‘articles’ are thrown together in 10 minutes or less. No explanations for the points raised? You can always spot the youtube ninnies who come out with “humans couldn’t possibly survive the Van Allen belt radiation” blather …. well you can when you zip through them at 30K MPH.

          And no mention of any reasons why it couldn’t be a hoax? Namely 10,000 NASA employees and the Soviet Union not being able to keep a massive secret that long. Not to mention that the Soviets landed Luna 2 on the moon a full ten years before Apollo XI.

          It worries me that I share a planet with these people .. .who are just walking around freely and operating heavy moving machinery … stealing my oxygen.

          • Trac

            NASA is the only 100% Federally funded Corporation owned by private stock holders. Hmm, how does that work?

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            you are going to have to explain that a little further, please.

          • Trac

            You know you’ve made it when Uncle Sam pays all the bills?

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            what do you mean by “owned by private stock holders”?

          • Trac

            It’s true, NASA is a privately owned corporation.

            http://www.answers.com/Q/Is_NASA_privately_owned

            don’t have time to get you a better link but there plenty of info out there with a google.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            so a privately owned corporation is going to allow:
            1. their budgets to be set by Congress,
            2. their Administrator/leader to be nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate,
            3. all their projects to be impacted by a Senate Sub Committee which is led by a Senator that has denied global warming.

            Sorry that does not make any sense. While NASA relies heavily on the private sector, I don’t see how one can say it is privately owned corporation. FYI I did google it and in the limited time I spent on it, I found nothing that would imply that NASA is a privately owned corporation. Maybe I am bad at google…

          • Trac

            http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nasa-created

            It was created as a civilian space agency from the get go. You’re asking the wrong questions my man. Back then, Govt. knew they sucked at running an industry. Very little is available on who the original stockholders are.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            “civilian” does not mean that it was privately owned. It means that it was not created for a military purpose and was created to promote the peaceful development of space sciences.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Hey, somebody stole Irish’s handle!

        • Trac

          The polls are wrong, it’s way more than 20%. He he.

    • Doc Nitty

      Well holy moonhead. That is one helluva find.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      BBC was also the first to publish pictures from on the moon in 1966 because they intercepted the Russian signal of the Luna 9 spacecraft.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Moon-hoax believer? Dude.

      • Trac

        I have questions, its a healthy mental excercise. Like, how come we haven’t been back when we obviously have much more technology to do so than we had back then? Also, when the lunar lander approached the surface of the moon, how come the astronauts can be heard clearly and not a sound from the booster rockets could be heard. Wouldn’t they have drowned out any attempt of communication during that phase of the landing? Let me be clear, I’m not saying it’s a hoax, just that there are reasons NASA gives that just don’t make sense on a variety of interesting questions that have been posed by very smart people.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Politics and physics.
          There you go.

          • Trac

            I like to butter my corn bread as well.

        • SC Dave

          The mircophones were in helmets. There is no air on the moon. Hence, no medium to carry sound from the rockets to the mikes.

  • BerwynBomber

    Have the Bears ever tagged anyone? Was Forte once tagged? I can’t remember.

    My guess is the Bears will tag Jeffrey. They learned their lesson with Cutty.

    • Cormonster

      Pretty sure Melton was tagged his last year with the Bears.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Briggs, Forte, Melton.

  • Irish Sweetness

    WTF is going on? This dude gets into America (granted, he’s an American) with a ‘world passport’?

  • Irish Sweetness

    The X-Files gets crappier with each episode ….. while 11.22.63 looks to be awesome. Great debut.

    Stephen King is back.

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