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Five Thoughts on Super Bowl 50

| February 8th, 2016

The game will be dissected all across the board for weeks. Here are just a few quick thoughts.

  • I don’t think I’ll ever forget the image of Cam Newton refusing to go all-in to recover his own fumble. The biggest and strongest quarterback in the league came up small in a massive moment.
  • Has any defensive player ever finished a season better than Von Miller? His AFC title game and Super Bowl were historic.
  • The Gary Kubiak / John Fox debate that jumped on the internet last night makes no sense. The debate people should be having is Wade Phillips / John Fox. I can end that debate now. Wade is one of the greatest defensive coaches in league history. Fox builds great defenses.
  • I don’t want to see Peyton Manning play football anymore. When Denver ran the ball on that late third down I just felt bad. Primarily because it was the smart call.
  • Usually you can’t label a team’s loss this simply but I will make an exception for Carolina. The moment got to them. They seemed to make every mistake. They’re young enough to rebound and get back there but they should show up with real offensive tackles next time.

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  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Reposting from the dead game thread…OK, maybe this got covered last night – how was the second ‘fumble’ by Newton NOT an incomplete pass? Was Newton’s arm not moving forward at the time the ball came loose?

    • Doc Nitty

      Seemed like a fumble to me.

      What’s up Wabbit!

  • Trac

    C’mon Jeff, pony up. Let’s have your Olsen thoughts. Hee hee.

  • 505Bears

    Changed over to the Puppybowl during the 3rd quarter. That game was boooooring.

  • bearfaninde

    “The Gary Kubiak / John Fox debate that jumped on the internet last night makes no sense.”
    John Elway disagrees, according to http://larrybrownsports.com/football/john-elway-takes-shot-at-john-fox/291876

  • The GP

    I don’t think I’ll ever forget the image of Cam Newton refusing to go all-in to recover his own fumble. The biggest and strongest quarterback in the league came up small in a massive moment.

    This meme defines him until he wins a SB. Every.Time. He pulls out his Superman shirt rip? They play this.

    https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/jyas3cdubcghyxqvxo8b.gif

    • CanadaBear

      Maybe the camera angle makes it look worse than it was (Cam possibly being further away from the ball than it looked) but I was shocked when he hesitated. It looks like Jay has passed the mantel of the most hated QB in the NFL

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        come on CBear, Jay still got that mantel, he just loaned it out for a couple days.

      • BillW

        He didn’t just hesitate. He literally hopped backwards a bit.

        And I do think he is the most hated QB now – with that and the press conference walk out. They called Cutler a quitter but he was hurt. People wanted to say he could have or should have played anyway, but then RG III plays with the same injury and (related or not) was never the same after.

        Of course Jay never got to the playoffs again either, so it’s kind of been forgotten. Another playoff game and the narrative might start up yet again.

    • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

      i lost 10g’s on that fumble. well, not exactly. but i had 0-6 in a big money box pool. he doesn’t fumble that ball, i’m pretty confident the game ends 10-16.

      i also almost made the hit on carolina’s final drive. big sack on 2nd down, then a defender had two hands on Cam in the endzone for the safety that would’ve made it 10-26. BUT HE DIDN’T BRING HIM DOWN. HE LET HIM GO AND I DIDN’T WIN THE BIG PRIZE.

      sucks.

      • Sactowns#1

        They know who Cam is… and they let him off the hook!

      • BillW

        Funny – I said at the time a lot of money was riding on that play because of numbers in a pool. .

  • CanadaBear

    Totally agree with Jeff’s last point. They seemed to play tight all night.

    How bad was that halftime show? I was underwhelmed when Coldplay was announced as the entertainment for the game and they were even worse than that. Not a huge fan of Beyonce but she at least owns the stage. I like Bruno Mars, think he’s really talented and thought he was the best part of a ho-hum show.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, Bruno’s “Uptown Funk” song is catchy. A fun pop single.

      I never get Beyoncé. Nice ass (obviously) but after that it is all over-the-top attitude and in-your-face choreography. Her songs underwhelm. Big time.

      Coldplay is Coldplay. Innocuous stuff that is neither great nor horrible.

      • CanadaBear

        My issue with Coldplay for this gig is there is no show in show business. That’s totally OK for fans but non-fans lose interest in a hurry. By the end of that last number Martin looked like a refugee from Up with People just happy to be on stage.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “The moment got to them. They seemed to make every mistake. They’re young enough to rebound and get back there but they should show up with real offensive tackles next time.”

    So, you’re saying picking up Michael Oher off of the scrap heap at Cam Newton’s request WASN’T solution?

  • AlbertInTucson

    “…the image of Cam Newton refusing to go all-in to recover his own fumble. The biggest and strongest quarterback in the league came up small in a massive moment.”

    Superman thought he saw some kryptonite laying down there.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    Thomas Davis is a bad ass playing after surgery to fix his arm. this photo of his arm is chilling

    http://deadspin.com/thomas-daviss-surgically-repaired-arm-looked-like-a-foo-1757775906

    • AlbertInTucson

      But his inability to wrap up WAS a liability, at times, because of it.

    • BearDown100393

      I’d like to learn the details on how he was even allowed to play.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Wow, it looks like an actual football.

  • willbest

    It was mentioned last night. Elway won the Super Bowl with Kubiak. So its not up for debate if it was the right call or not. It got the only result that mattered. My only issue was Elway’s lack of class in announcing it before his team won the SB, when Fox had done no worse by the Broncos in his tenure there.

    Jeff’s Fox love is excessive and unwarranted. Fox didn’t build that defense. Elway did. 2 years ago that Defense was awful riding Manning’s golden arm. Elway went out and got all those FA. Ware, Talib, Ward, etc. Fox coached them for 1 year, and when Manning broke down, the team broke down. Kub/Philips get a go at them this year and they won it all fielding a very 00’s Bears offense. Don’t get me wrong. Fox is a solid coach, but he isn’t the wizard that put that Denver D together.

    Manning does not look like he belongs on the football field. It showed class on his part by not retiring at the SB and drawing attention from Von Miller and the rest of the defense. But he has to know that he won’t win the SB again, at least not as a starting QB and I doubt he wants to spend any part of his career as the tested veteran backup. Elway is a smart guy. He knows the odds of the D being that good next year are virtually nil. He is going to have to improve that offense, and Manning isn’t that guy. He will allow Manning to retire, or he will be forced to fire him. Plus the $15 mil a year he is going to have to pay Von Miller needs to come from somewhere.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well said. It is fashionable to hate Elway on the board because of the Fox stuff. I get it. And there is no doubt that Elway comes off as a bit of dick. But it seems to be Jordan-like in that one senses the guy is ultra/hyper-competitive (even in a profession where competitiveness is legion).

      And yeah, you win the Bowl as a GM after making all the moves he did, he deserves his props. I posted last night but the interesting thing with Elway is what he does in the future as I assume there will be a pay-the-piper moment for that organization in terms of cap and veteran’s salaries.

      • willbest

        They aren’t in particularly bad shape. Roughly 10 million in cap space for next year. Now you need that much for draft and in season injury. But they very likely to cut Manning and Ware which will save them 29 million. Now Von Miller is going to end up with some crazy 5-year $80 million, $45 million guaranteed type deal. So figure 19 million or so. But they don’t have a QB (Oz is also a FA). The going rate on journeymen QB’s is $5-6 million these days. So that gives them $13 million to finish the rest of their FA with. Now they need some pieces like ILB since they all seem to be hitting FA this year, and a starting guard, and a starting DE. But none of that is going to be bank breaking.

        Brandon Marshall is listed as an RFA so they would get draft pick compensation if another team signs him.

        It looks like the Vernon Davis trade was a waste. I don’t know what it happened. But they aren’t going to be able to come to terms with him with the space they have.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If he has the Lombardi .. .one could argue “who cares?”. Lombardis are all that count.

    • BearDown100393

      The offense improves immediately by subtracting Peyton Manning. The backup is already the better QB.

      • willbest

        The backup is a FA. I mention that below, but he has done enough that somebody is going to pay him $5 million a year just to compete for the starting job.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          hell they will probably pay him 10 mill just to compete. look at Flynn, Kolb, Cassel

      • AlbertInTucson

        Peyton NOT retiring at this point would be a stunner.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Also VERY ill-advised.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Why won’t their D be that good next year? A lot of them up for FA?

      • willbest

        Regression to the mean. Ware is going to be 34 and probably cut in order to pay Von Miller. They are drafting dead last. Every one of their ILB is headed to FA a couple of their D-line guys, and they were relatively healthy the whole year.

        Just like Seattle D. Impressive 2013, great 2014, good 2015. People adapt

  • BerwynBomber

    Two QBs I can’t NOT imagine diving for that ball are Brees and Wilson if only because they always seem to dive head-first for fumbles and often come up with them.

    Doubly worse for Newton is that he seemed to step back or away from the ball. Even while the play was happening live his lack of urgency was confounding. Given how impotent Manning and the DEN O was, CAR still could have won that game even had they punted from deep in their own territory.

    Anyway, Newton got humbled. I never had a huge problem with his Superman/look-at-me shtick but part of being a leader is also weathering the storm in bad times. He did himself no favors walking out on that presser.

    • willbest

      If you are going to showboat on the plus side, you need to grab your spoon and eat the crow on the negative side. All he did was validate everything people like me had said about him.

      • MB30SD

        yep, right there with you will. and it has ZERO to do with race and everything to do with the fact that he’s an asshole

        • AlbertInTucson

          What?! Not because he’s a “Black Quaterback”?!

          • Trac

            What a line of horse doo doo they tried forcing down everyone’s throats Al. I can honesty say that when I found out the Panther’s and the Bronco’s were gonna be in the SB, it was Cam vs Manning in my mind. Color or race didn’t even enter into the equation until Cam and Rivera made their statements. That part of the pregame shannanagins was lame. I think it totally backfired on them which is sad because there’s no place for that crap anymore.

          • AlbertInTucson

            He Celebrates like a 10-year old so when he also pouts like one we shouldn’t be surprised.

        • willbest

          I am not going to be a hater for his whole life (well assuming his attitude improves). If he dials it down to a 6 next season, and show some humility when things don’t go well for him. I can say youthful indiscretion.

          • MB30SD

            100%. Stop being a poor sport and a showboater. Act like you’ve been there before. .. which he has now. He should study manning for how to act… on mic, on mic I meant!!!!

        • Trac

          Al Sharpton disagree’s with you.

          • AlbertInTucson

            That’s how Sharpton makes a living.

          • MB30SD

            Fuck that racist cunt

        • DaMurph

          People dont give a fuck what color their sports heroes are. Even the most racist sports fan doesnt care as long they win. The KKK could have a football team and they would grab Von Miller as their first pick.

      • Doc Nitty

        And proved people like me wrong.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Newton gets a big fat “F” for his post gamer.

    Not pretty, Cam.

    • BillW

      What makes it worse is the story now that a a Bronco (Harris I think) was part of a presser within hearing distance and was saying how they beat Carolina by daring them to throw. So Cam took that as disrespect and left.

      WHAT?? Here is the guy who answers his critics by saying “if you don’t like me dancing, then stop me from scoring”. But now the show is on the other foot, and he can’t take someone else basking in their success over him.

      Hey Cam – if you don’t want to hear a team talking about beating you, don’t lose!

      • AlbertInTucson

        Required Cliche’: “He can dish it out but he can’t take it.”

  • Bears-4-Ever

    “Defense wins Championships”. This statement was never more true than last night.
    Cam was way too nervous/excited. The overthrows were proof that he could not settle down. Not going after the fumble was a brain-fart, no doubt, but perhaps if he had gone after it and got hurt, the game would have been over there and then.

    I’m not a big Cam fan, I think he’s unnecessarily arrogant and self-absorbed, but he’s a damn good QB. I’d take him in a heartbeat over half the QBs in the league. It was nice to see Peyton finish up his career with another SB ring. Class guy and a hall of famer. I think it would be a mistake if he didn’t hang it up on this win.

    The Panthers will be back sooner than later…still a very young & dynamic team.

    • willbest

      If you get yourself into “I have to make a play” mode, you are going to panic. But it doesn’t help that the offensive game plan was crap. Its like they watched what the Steelers did, and thought we should have Cam emulate that. And then there were the hard sells on the read option which didn’t fool Denver.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Right now? I’d take Cutty in a SB. I would. Right now. Over Cam. Absolutely.

  • BerwynBomber

    Btw, in terms of SB lore, the antithesis of Newton’s self-preservation instincts on the fumble is Elway going airborne for a first down (and being spun like a copter) when he was damn near Peyton’s age. Of course, that is also the SB where DEN was the biggest underdog to win since the ’69 Jets. Beating a heavily-favored Cheese team. (I wanna say GB was favored by 11 or 12 that day.)

    • willbest

      So if Elway wins a couple more of these as a GM does he get inducted to the HoF a second time?

      • BerwynBomber

        Hah! Never thought of that. Is there any HC in the HoF who was also elected as a player?

        • BearDown100393

          Give it time. Sooner or later Tony Dungy the player will be voted in….. right?

          • BerwynBomber

            Over TO no less …

          • BearDown100393

            Tony the special teams guy had “awareness”.

          • Trac

            No, he brought a lot more than that. Joe Namath got in because he guaranteed a SB victory? I’m not a Dungy guy but it’s insane to make this a Dungy vs. T.O. argument. To mee that’s just silly.

            http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/8/6/9065501/should-tony-dungy-be-headed-to-canton

          • Irish Sweetness

            Terrell Owens :

            – Third all-time in regular season receiving touchdowns behind Jerry Rice and Randy Moss

            – Second all-time in regular season receiving yards behind Jerry Rice.

            That is true, undeniable greatness. How is Dungy better than that?

          • Trac

            So what? Adolf Hitler almost conquered the world. I really cannot comprehend all the love for such a toxic turd as T.O. I think it’s really more of a hatred for Tony Dungy more than anything else. Terrell Owens represents a lot of what’s wrong in today’s society imo.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Competin’. It’s all about competin’.

          • Trac

            Serious question. Who contributed to the NFL shield more? Dungy and it’s not even close.

          • BerwynBomber

            Contributed what?

          • Trac

            One tarnished the shield, the other polished it.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, definitely where you and I don’t see eye2eye. To me the HoF should be all about performance, not how nice of a guy you were (though I would say yes, it is commendable when a coach or player is the latter).

            Plus, I have always been dubious of the St. Dungy stuff.

          • Trac

            Could care less about the Saint Tony thing. 1st Black Coach has a place in history. What was Dungy even voted in for? Coach? Player?

          • Doc Nitty

            Is Tom Flores (first minority coach) in the Hall? Wasn’t Art Shell the first black coach?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Those answers would be “No” and “Yes”.

          • Doc Nitty

            My point exactly. Neither are in the Hall. Tony Dungy being in the Hall of Fame is a complete and utter disgrace.

          • AlbertInTucson

            What Dung has is “High Visability.”

          • Irish Sweetness

            Over T.O., yes.

          • Trac

            I’m talking HC that won the SB. Hi. And Lovie duke it out for that honor. We lost, sigh.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So Hispanics don’t count?

          • Trac

            Hispanics don’t count? Smh.

          • DaMurph

            First Hispanic HC to win a Super Bowl

          • BerwynBomber

            HC, I assume. As a player, I don’t think he was ever more than a back-up.

          • BillW

            Dungy has to be compared against all other coaches without regard to race. He won a Super Bowl. So did a lot of other coaches.

            So if you vote in a successful black coach, but not a white coach who was as successful, aren’t you saying it’s a bigger deal for the black coach? And if so – why? Because he had to overcome the “handicap” of being black?

            It’s like the condescending praise some people give blacks by saying they are articulate. As if it’s a surprise that a black person can speak with intelligence.

            “Look at all he contributed to the game. Against all odds he proved that black people can be successful too.”

            It’s really condescending in my opinion.

          • SC Dave

            Too bad i can one thumb up that just once

          • Trac

            We live in a country where milestones matter. It’s call progress imo. Yes you’re right, being black shouldn’t be a qualifier for Dungy but it is part of his resume.

          • Shady

            Who are you and what have you done with Trac?

          • Trac

            Nothing profound there, I also happen to believe that there’s one race, just different cultures and skin tones.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But the milestones are in yards and TDs. Not color. Does the first openly gay player on a SB squad get in? That would be a mockery.

            If Greg Olsen had won yesterday, is he a first ballot HOFer?

          • Trac

            Yes it would. It’s an Obama nation.

          • Shady

            Jesus Bill (sorry trac). He was the first black head coach to win a Super Bowl. Enough said.

          • Johnnywad

            Can you imagine if the Bears had won? That would mean Lovie gets in. Holy shit.

          • Shady

            Should have been.

          • Johnnywad

            That can’t be. Lovie is more than a few plays in a Super Bowl removed from being considered a Hall of Fame coach.

            The first African American coach to win one is a huge deal. I’m just not sure the NFL HOF is the place for the recognition of it.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            not hall of fame worthy at all. give him a plaque or something along the lines they do with records. Weren’t Hesters shoes or Jersey in the Hall for longest return.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I can’t buy that. Football is a predominantly black-populate sport. Football should be color-blind.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So what? Most people in the NFL are black.

            Tom Flores won thirty years ago.

          • Shady

            That’s the point!

          • Trac

            Bingo!!!

          • DaMurph

            Especially since the NFL is over 68 percent black and only 28 percent white as of 2014. The NBA is only a few percentage points “blacker” So screw that like he had something to overcome to coach a team to a Super Bowl win. Im betting more than half of our bloggers could have been the head coach of Indy and won that Super Bowl. MB could have been the first bald South African to win a super bowl and gotten into the HOF.

          • DaMurph

            Bullshit Trac, Why not the first hispanic then? Tom Flores? Want America to quit focusing on color? Quit fucking focusing on color. If its going to be about nice guys and who was the first Asian, First Mexican, First AA, first bald guy then you better throw a bunch of no good mean nasty motherfuckers out of there.

          • Trac

            I tell you what Murph, I think Tony Dungy is a black man that more black football players look up to than Tom Flores or practically any other NFL coach for that matter. Ignoring the culture gap is stupid. It’s a part of the NFL story. NOWHERE did I ever say he deserved to go to the Hall of Fame on simply being black. There’s only one race my man but many different cultures. I’m just acknowledging that in this particular instance, Tony Dungy was the first man that is Black that broke the glass ceiling when it came to winning the Super Bowl. By the way, I happen to strongly disagree with the Rooney Rule. Peace my man.

          • DaMurph

            I thinks hes a great man that does great things for his players, as does Lovie but to me that doesnt translate into HOF rather into some humanitarian awards.

          • DaMurph

            Peace be with you too my brotha!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Being black IMO.

          • Doc Nitty

            please.

          • Trac

            Like it or hate it Doc, life’s a popularity contest with winners or losers. I think it’s a mistake to compare Dungy with T.O. getting into the hall.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think Coaches should only make it if they were extraordinary. Don Shula, Bill Walsh and the like. Would Dungy be in there if he wasn’t black?

          • Trac

            From my perspective, T.O. was the worst kind of team mate. Football is a T.E.A.M. sport. Not a fan of prima donna’s who are cancers in the locker room.

            http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1129429-10-biggest-locker-room-cancers-in-nfl-history

            I didn’t take very long to find that either.

          • DaMurph

            Geeez Trac they have Brett Favre listed in that article. Thats the writers opinion. I bet when those players helped their team win a Super Bowl like TO, Moss, Favre no one gives a shit. The HOF isnt for nice guys it is for EXCELLENCE in the GAME of football. Tony is a good man but there are other way more deserving of the hall before Tony Dungy

          • Trac

            T.O.’s brand of excellency? You can have it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The photos of the players with muck on their helmets and no skin on their knuckles. For me, HOF is about what you did on the field, above and beyond. If it’s about politics then fuck it.

          • AlbertInTucson

            And how is Peter King allowed to be involved in Dung-ee’s vote when he works with him every Sunday night?

          • BearDown100393

            How is Peter King considered a journalist when in bed with Goodell?

    • BearDown100393

      Newton was physically and mentally beaten. It was a “No más” moment in sports. He knew it. And then the Broncos defense knew it. He took a beating.

  • Sactowns#1

    Made a couple of decent wagers yesterday and they paid off. I have to admit, after that 80 yard drive by Carolina I was a bit nervous but Denver’s D stepped up and locked that place down tight. Oh how I wish we had Denver’s LB’s.

    • BerwynBomber

      Their secondary is a bit otherworldly too.

      Just as an example, their 3rd CB (Bradley Roby) could be the #1 CB on half the teams in the league.

      • Irish Sweetness

        How would they look without the pass rush though?

        • BerwynBomber

          Decent point but I tend to think Talib, Harris and Roby can flat out cover.

    • MB30SD

      Hopefully we’ll have at least one of them next year

      • DaMurph

        Does Von Miller make them good? Thats the question. Sometimes when a piece is removed from the equation, the remaining pieces aint what ya thought they were.

        • Irish Sweetness

          True dat. Without Ware and Miller this year they were a very average team.

  • Adam Truelove

    “They’re young enough to rebound and get back there…”

    They won’t get there again because the Bears won’t let them…..I hope.

  • willbest

    Ditka should get in as a contributor. As a coach he won a super bowl. As a corporate shill he puts on a Packers jersey and they can’t win. As a personality he gave rise to the super fans. And as a commentator he will fart as a response to somebody saying something inane.

    • BearDown100393

      He fell asleep on set also.

      • BillW

        DUI after beating the 49ers in 1985. I thought maybe they’d mention that on the 30 for 30.

        • AlbertInTucson

          What was completely missed in the 30 for 30 was,that Ditka was a force as a DEFENSIVE End at Pitt.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        he got Ricky Williams to dress in a wedding dress for ESPN the magazine

  • AlbertInTucson

    Post Game Pressers Seminar:

    Room 105: “How Not To Handle A Big Loss” – Featured Speaker- Cam Newton

    Room 106: “How To Handle A Big Loss”; Featured Speaker- Luke Keuchly.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Attention Please: The seminar in room 105 had been canceled because Mr. Newton has already left the building.”

    • Irish Sweetness

      Newton was like a child wasn’t he? I’m embarrassed for him.

      • AlbertInTucson

        You think SOMEBODY in Panther PR would have grabbed him before the post game thing and told him “Pay attention. Don’t be a jerk. This stuff can define you. You just made nice with Peyton after the game. That was good. Now o out there and do the same thing with the media.”

        • Irish Sweetness

          Or “I know you’re upset … but you’ve just been voted league MVP. Remember that.”

  • BillW

    The Dungy debate – a good perspective:

    Anyone who wants to raise an objection about Dungy’s inclusion should do so only from the standpoint of the coaches who have not yet been allowed inside the club’s doors. Tom Flores won two Super Bowls with the Oakland and then Los Angeles Raiders. Bill Cowher won a Super Bowl and carried forth the Pittsburgh Steelers’ remarkable organizational continuity over a long period of time. Dick Vermeil made Super Bowls with two different organizations, winning once. He reached the divisional round of the playoffs with a third team (the Kansas City Chiefs). Dan Reeves never won a Super Bowl as a head coach, but he made four Supes and remains the only man to coach the Atlanta Falcons to the big game.

    Yes, a number of other men should have gotten the call before Dungy, but if you think John Madden’s credentials were worthy of the Hall, Dungy’s are at least as good if not better.

    http://thecomeback.com/blog/nfl/pro-football-hall-of-fame-tony-dungy-coaches-his-way-into-canton.html

    The full article mentions Bud Grant and Marv Levy as coaches in the HOF without SB wins but multiple SB appearances.

    • willbest

      Madden as a coach was before my time. He has an impressive win-loss but only 1 SB. I tend to think his post coach career as a popular color commentator was a major factor in the NFL’s branding success which turned multimillionaires into billionaires.

      • DaMurph

        His winning percentage is the highest of any coach with over 100 wins. His coaching resume from college on up is impressive. He was 32 when named HC of the Raiders and proceeded to go 12-1-1 and win AFC coach of the year his first season.

    • DaMurph

      Dungy isnt close. Madden had a 103-32-7 over 10 seasons and NEVER had a losing season. Dungy was just over 500 with Tampa and was 79.5 with Indianapolis, with arguably one of the best if not the best QB’s to play the game. i could have coached those teams to winning records every year. Tony really falls down the list of other worthy coaches, IMO.

      • Trac

        Dungy missed the playoffs once. Social politics controls the stage now Murph, that’s just a truism you either acknowledge or deny, but it’s a fact of life now. Comparing Dungy to T.O. is apples and oranges.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Levy fully deserves it – four championships in a row is awesome.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Think the stock of draft-eligible edge-rushers went up more than a little after SB 50?

  • Sactowns#1

    NEWS FLASH: I will be in Tahoe from this Wednesday thru Saturday. If any of you want to ski/snowboard hit me up.

    • DaMurph

      Aww shit, I already summerized my snowboard, gonna have to pass till next year but thanks for the offer!

      • MB30SD

        You guys are cracking me the fuck up

    • Irish Sweetness

      Skiing in Aspen before heading back to Lake Geneva, Sac. Some other time.

      • MB30SD

        Hahahaha… on all on a teacher’s salary.

      • Cormonster

        My buddy’s Grandma had a place in Lake Geneva. Spent many a drunken New Years there. A couple of my buddies used to do a polar plunge at midnight and see who could stay in the water the longest. A lot of fond memories.

        • Irish Sweetness

          There is indeed a Lake Geneva in Wisconsin I see. Nah, dude, the millionaire’s paradise in Switzerland. That’s how I roll (in my sleep). The Citation X drops me from Aspen to Lausanne … then I wake up.

          • MB30SD

            I want to go to Chamonix. My best friend lived in verbier for 12 years, never managed a visit, but the pics he sent me were stunning.

            I have a verbier bears shirt I wear a lot… they play hockey there.

          • Cormonster

            I knew what you meant. I was just joking around.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Drinking age used to 18 in Wisconson, I believe.

  • Sactowns#1

    NEWS FLASH #2: Looking like Marshawn Lynch is going to retire. (Wikipedia page is already updated with “former NFL player”) First Megatron and now the Beast. Is this the new norm? Players retiring at 30? If so what’s the impact on the game?

    • willbest

      Makes sense to me. If you put $20-30 million in the bank and either have your SB ring or know you aren’t going to get one, why stay and risk the additional pain?

    • BerwynBomber

      Megatron always struck me as a special breed of cat: a non-Diva WR who was thoughtful/pensive and might harbor aspirations beyond football. (But maybe I’m projecting some of that.) Plus, the losing in DET has to be a bit soul-sapping.

      Beast Mode took a pounding. He was this generation’s Earl Campbell. The dude might merely wish to walk like a semi-normal human being when he is 50.

      Plus, don’t discount that abdominal injury he suffered this year. Marcellus Wiley said that of all the injuries (and surgeries) he suffered as pro (among them serious knees and shoulders) the worst, by far, was an abdominal injury. In fact, he said he never recovered from it and it effectively ended his career. The reason he said that is so devastating is because it directly affects a player’s core, which is his physical engine.

      Btw, he said this weeks back when there was a debate about whether Lynch should play in the post-season. Wiley thought there was no way Lynch would be ready.

  • Johnnywad

    I really thought the Panthers were going to win after I saw Cam’s commercial with the special ear buds. He prayed to God to let him finish it his own way. Guess God doesn’t like Bose. Or maybe he’s not a Panthers fan. Or maybe he just doesn’t like Cam as much as Cam would like us to believe. Either way, God likes Peyton better. Apparently.

    • Shady

      Or maybe he didn’t soak in his lucky tub.

    • MB30SD

      I have it on very good authority that “God” is a bearssssss fan

    • Irish Sweetness

      God loves Mannings bigtime. He gets his second ring, and he had virtually nothing to do with it all season. He was the worst QB in the league by some way, Osweiler saw them through,as did obviously the defense. Couldn’t break a 60 rating yesterday. He stank in SB 41. He has all the (Coldplay) records. Color me unimpressed.

    • BearDown100393

      God wears Dr Dre Beats.

  • willbest

    So looking through Tony’s resume he clearly elevates himself over the 1 time SB winning coaches. He left a wake of high performing defensive units, and his coaching tree has a number of Conference titles, and 1 SB win. Plus Gruden basically took his Tampa team to the promised land.

    So I don’t know about the 2-win coaches not in the HOF. Tom Flores, Jimmy Johnson, George Seifert. Mike Shanahan, Coughlin, and Belichick obviously aren’t eligible. I suppose you could argue the Cowboys and 49ers were utterly stacked, but then so were the Colt’s and they played through the AFCS and got to play the Bears.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Oooh, good one.

    Who is the other person not named Mike Ditka, who won 3 Lombardis as Asst. Coach, HC, and player ?

    • BerwynBomber

      Did Kubiak win one as an assistant? Pretty sure he has the player and HC qualies fulfilled.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Ah. Don’t know. The guy I came across looking at Ditka’s page was mentioned on this thread.

        On Kubiak (from wiki):

        Kubiak played as a quarterback for the Broncos from 1983 to 1991. He has participated in seven Super Bowls, losing three as a player with the Broncos, winning three as an assistant coach with the Broncos and the San Francisco 49ers, and winning Super Bowl 50 as the head coach of the Broncos.

        So he missed out on winning one as a player. 7 SBs is impressive though.

        • BerwynBomber

          Dungy?

          • MB30SD

            Als favorite joke… he puts the dung in dungy

          • Johnnywad

            A timeless classic perfectly suited for Uncle Al to use at his discretion.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Mr. Tom Flores, ladies and gents. Backup QB to Len Dawson at the Chiefs.

  • EnderWiggin

    Just a quick reminder: The first couple weeks of February are the best time to eat your candy canes.

  • Irish Sweetness

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000634884/article/new-orleans-saints-release-guard-jahri-evans

    Is Jahri Evans done? A one year deal while whoever we draft does his thing on the bench?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      i think he is starting to break down, missed 4 or 5 games last year. If he can give us a good year sure.

  • Captain Obvious

    I just want an end to the people questioning Cam Newton’s “desire” or “will” or whatever with that fumble.

    We were not in his head. Maybe he thought it was an incomplete pass. Maybe from his perspective, it looked like his O-lineman was going to recover it. Maybe from his perspective, he thought the ball was squirting out and he didn’t want to be on the ground if it was going to be 5 yards away (which is what happened).

    We can slow down the replay and question all sorts of shit, but that part of the play took a half second or less, and Newton was beat up and beat down. We don’t know his thought process, and deciding he “quit” or “didn’t have the heart” to dive on the loose ball is just a lot of second-guessing.

    We Bears fans have heard similar shit questioning Cutler’s toughness and “heart”, when we’ve seen him sacrifice his body over and over and over again.

    I was hoping Newton would do a lot better than he did. I can be critical of his overthrows, his lack of fire late in the game. But I’m not going to question one split-second decision, nor am I going to make judgments on him as a football player and/or as a person based on that one fraction of one play — the same way I wouldn’t make a judgment on a soldier based on how he reacted for a split second during one combat action.

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