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DaBearsBlog Weekend Show – 9/23/16 [AUDIO]

| September 22nd, 2016

On this week’s show:

  • Jeff plays a clip from “All That Jazz” and misidentifies it as “Lenny” (those familiar with the clip will understand why). He then discusses stages of death when it comes to the 2016 Bears season.
  • Adam Jahns discusses the tone in the Bears locker room Monday night and whether he believes the team has enough left in that locker room to be competitive the next few weeks.
  • Reverend Dave blows us off! (So instead we play an oldie but goodie. 2013’s “When the Bears Win”)
  • Jeff tries mighty hard to like the Chicago Bears this week.

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  • MB30SD
    • MB30SD

      How does president obama like his coffee? like him…………….

      ….weak.

      hahahahahahahaha

    • SC Dave

      Damn that site is fucking slooooow. I’ll try it later… looks promising.

    • SC Dave

      By the way, was that in repayment for my comment in the last thread about what I’d do it I had a trillion dollars?

    • BerwynBomber

      Read your late piss-take on Portillo’s last night. Laughed.

      Ah well, I suppose most of us are guilty of overrating our local burger joints.

    • willbest

      Did she sit down for this? or is that somebody in a Hillary Clinton skin suit?

    • Cormonster

      That was pretty funny. Hillary looks old and low energy. She must have missed her second afternoon nap.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      So after hillary dies of an anurism and trump has a heart attack and croaks before he’s inaugurated, who’s gonna be prez?

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    EnderWiggin

    Re post your story about when you were at your dad’s funeral and took flowers to hit on Mr Ts girlfriend because that story is epic

    • MB30SD

      yes please

  • BearDown100393

    No Alshon at practice.

    • BerwynBomber

      Ugh. Remember that DET game where we started Pickles and Alshon dropped like five passes?

      Ah well. Maybe we will see Irish’s guy Meredith. Or maybe some two back/7 interiorLine/1 WR look that Gase showed against SEA when we tried to the game out of Pickle’s hands.

      Although on second thought, DAL’s D isn’t good enough to warrant such conservatism.

  • Even if Shaw didn’t get his leg snapped, would he be starting over Hoyer?

  • BerwynBomber

    Is Sherrick McManis the longest-tenured Bear on the current roster after Cutler? Kinda odd. One guy at the absolute top of the pecking order and one guy near the bottom.

    • I think I literally groaned when he entered the game.

      But, he is a badass in specials.

      True. He very well might be.

      • BerwynBomber

        I believe he and Alshon arrived the same year and hence the share the honor after Cutty.

        • SC Dave

          Correctamundo

    • SC Dave

      Wow… food for thought. Good job Sherrick.

    • willbest

      Jeffery was drafted in April/May that year. McManis was acquired via trade in August.

  • SC Dave

    Well, the Reverend has some confessing to do.

  • SC Dave

    Cutler’s “ability to step up in the pocket and deliver the ball downfield”

    Hmmm

    • SC Dave

      Oh, and so far as a “back-up that sucks”, from Da Site

      “Hoyer had his best season as a pro last year with the Texans, leading
      them to the AFC South title by completing 60.7 of his passes for 2,606
      yards with 19 TDs, seven interceptions and a 91.4 passer rating while
      playing in 11 games with nine starts.”

      Cutler has one season with a better rating, and zero with a TD to INT rating higher.

      • willbest

        I know what Hoyer did last year, and has done, but he flunked the eye test in the preseason. So I don’t have a whole lot of hope with him under Birdcage.

        • SC Dave

          Let’s give him a shot, eh?

          • willbest

            I plan on watching the game until it gets out of hand, I am just not expecting anything that looks like McCown ’13. Cutler was clearly superior to him in the preseason.

          • SC Dave

            He did complete 9 in a row against the Eagles.

      • BerwynBomber

        Cutty’s obviously the better talent, but yeah, that’s the thing with Cutty, rarely are the numbers or analytics that much.

        Still, I’m surprised Hoyer had that good of a season. But he did look like absolute dog meat in their playoff game vs. KC.

        • willbest

          DeAndre Hopkins makes all QB’s look good. I could be under center and he would go for 120 and a TD

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair point. But BMarsh/Alshon/Uni/Forte weren’t chopped liver.

          • SC Dave

            Indeed

          • Bennett

          • BerwynBomber

            Bennett = Uni

          • Yeah, I caught that, but didn’t the other Bennett play with them at one time?
            Maybe getting my years confused

          • willbest

            Uni was in Dallas not Houston.

            ed. Oh you mean Earl

          • SC Dave

            Earl was already gone, methinks

          • BerwynBomber

            Oh, Jay’s running mate at Vandy? Yeah, Earl, right?

          • willbest

            In 2013 earl went 32 for 243 and 4 TDs. He was cut after he refused to take a salary reduction. This caused him to do training camp with the Brown, he did not make the team and is not playing right now. He is back at Vandy to finish his degree according to wiki

          • Earl was a nice slot option.

            Best we’ve had in a while.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            While he still had a ribcage anyway… Class act.

          • MB30SD
          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            How soon we forget..

        • 10-12 less interceptions alone will keep games much more competitive (not even counting the classic Cutty strip sacks)

          I’m much more dubious about BirdCage being able to get that sorta production from Hoyer.

    • I thought the same dave lol

      • BerwynBomber

        He climbed the pocket under Gase — I remember him doing it a few times specifically in the KC game last year and being impressed — but yeah I never saw it much pre-Gase. Still, would you forget that in one year just because the tutor is gone? TBD.

        • SC Dave

          If Monday was an indicator, it would seem “yes”.

        • willbest

          I should buy the all 22. I don’t pay enough attention on game day on every play to see if he has had the room.

          • PaceBot 2000

            Nope

          • BerwynBomber

            That’s a valid point. If the interior is collapsing the room might not be there. But fuck, our interior is supposed to be fine. It’s the edge — mainly Massie’s side — that’s the problem.

  • beninnorcal

    Love me some Jay, but I think he’s lost a bit on his long-ball. Even on the deep ball to Alshon in the last game, the ball was underthrown. Would’ve been a TD if Alshon didn’t have to slow down for it.

    • willbest

      I believe he sprained his thumb the week before and aggravated it to the point he stopped playing this week.

      ed. But he has under thrown Jeffery a number of times in his career.

    • SC Dave

      Jay has never been highly accurate on deep balls. He has always been best in the 10-25 yard range. Most of his deep completions seem to be jump balls, although memory fades from the Olsen days. He may have been on the money back then.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        I remember a lot of 2nd and 10’s after failed long balls.

      • BerwynBomber

        Jay’s accuracy is only average but I’d cut him a little slack on the jump balls to Alshon as I presume those are somewhat by design.

        • SC Dave

          Shit, it would be if I were throwing.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, I am career long Cutty skeptic, but I still think he has a cannon. Arm strength is one thing I’ll never question about the guy.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Throwing it under duress off his back foot is the only reason, and unfortunately common one, that he under throws anybody. When he steps into a throw, it still looks like a rocket

  • SC Dave

    No Jeff, we’re not expecting to lose 30-10.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    TMZ says LA County Sherrif have handed the FBI a case file on Brad Pitt. It says he lost his shit on a private plane and beat his kids.

    The first rule of Fight Club is you don’t talk about Fight Club

    • willbest

      What a dumb ass. If you got a wife that is okay with your philandering you hold on to her.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      In other words, he’s gonna walk.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    Ditkas act got old but when he had a few cocktails and headed to meet the Grabowskis on Johnny Morris show after a loss you can tell it fucking pissed him off to lose

    Tonight’s Fox32 interview with Fox67? Fox67 has no belly of fire

    • MB30SD

      I think he lost it when docs told him his heart would explod if he kept that shit up.

      I don’t think he’s turn around fox anymore… sadly

  • SC Dave

    Blogfaddah??!?!

    You ALWAYS like the Chicago Bears!!

    Oh PHEW!!! You fixed it at the very end.

  • willbest

    Betty was charged with first degree manslaughter. Min prison time is 4 years.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      Betty Rubble? Did she Phil Hartmann Barney?

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        Oh Bitchin Betty the Tulsa gunslinger. Bring Vaseline to prison sugar tits

        • Maybe she’ll shoot someone inside when they reach for their shank.

          Oh, no she won’t cuz they’re gonna piss in her ocular cavity.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Who’s Betty? Oh yeah…..she’ll never see a day of jail. Watch…

      See how eye did that?

      • willbest

        Its possible, I can’t believe the vitriol from the white women on this one “If she were a man she would never have been charged, they are holding her to a higher standard”.

  • Why does the Tex HC call a TO there to give Bill time to review challenge option?

    Moron

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Nobody knew Kyle Orton was as good of a backup as he was until he got a shot. I disagree with Jeff’s premise but I understand his point of view.

    I am sensing a bad loss on the horizon. Don’t think I’m wrong.

    Jeff, let’s be honest. It’s another rebuilding kind of game on the horizon.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      Sauron only had one eyeball

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        But he started out with 2.

        • Freddy G.P. Soft

          Did he?

  • willbest

    NE is going to win this with their 3rd string qb

    • Having real coaches goes a long way

      • willbest

        Basically what you are saying is if we find ourselves in a Space Jam style situation, its going to be between Phil Jackson and Belichick to coach team Earth

        • Greg Popovich might be in that convo, but if we want to win cuz the alien’s blueprints mysteriously disappeared, gotta go with Sith Bill

          • AlbertInTucson

            But neither Pop or Belicheat need to be such dickheads with reporters.

          • BerwynBomber

            I think Pop’s stuff is often a bit. In terms of Belichick, it’s a valid criticism, but then again, it wasn’t like Ditka was cuddly with reporters. And even if Fox isn’t as grumpy as Belichick he doesn’t reveal much more.

  • BerwynBomber

    Facially, Brissett resembles Randall Cunningham.

  • There’s no reason we can’t use some of the misdirection or sweep with White.

    Of course, we won’t.

    1st down, run to the side.
    2nd down. run to other side

    3rd and 7, throw some bullshit route which misfires, or ends in sack.

    punt

    • willbest

      Other than Kyle Long runs faster than White? Oh there is an idea. Line Kyle up at TE and give him the ball

    • AlbertInTucson

      Hmm..that tune is familiar.

      IF ONLY it was a “1-hit Wonder”.

  • willbest

    Does Brady have a no trade clause, because the pats clearly don’t need him

  • willbest

    Damn

  • Brissett fantasy gold!

    • willbest

      If I had started blount I would be angry he didn’t run out of bounds like he was planning on.

      • willbest

        Millar on the other hand is killing me

        • He’s only a touches guy.

          This game will have to remain somewhat close for him to pay off.

          Texans are trying to run it though, and if their safeties keep staying back scared of Hopkins, there should be some room to run

  • Jesus. Watching Hopkins is like watching art.

    Dude caught it while the DB was holding his left wrist.

  • BearDown100393

    If Bill Belichick wins 4 games without Tom Brady, just hand him the COTY award.

    • AlbertInTucson

      …but re-think Tom Brady as the greatest QB of all time…?

      Belicheat won 11 with Cassel, won with Garoppolo and is winning with Jacoby Brissett.

      Kind of paints a pattern, no?

      • willbest

        Didn’t all the greatest of all time QBs have good people around them?

        • AlbertInTucson

          The chicken or the egg?

          Did the people around them make the QB good or did the QB make THEM look good.?

          • That Guy

            That’s my argument of Manning over Brady. Brady is a stellar QB, but look how well the team does without him. Manning goes down for a season and his team takes the worst record in the league. Insert Luck into the mix (granted, different staff, but I’d argue comparable), and he’s another stellar QB, but can’t elevate the franchise.

            Counter-argument is the Superbowl ring. Brady’s most recent was due to his D, but he scored a lot of points in those games. Manning’s ring had much less to do with him.

          • That Guy

            Then again, most folks I know actually prefer Montana at the top of the pyramid. He was replaced by Steve Young, so harder to tell, but the Niners were pretty good after he left as well.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, it’s a bit of coin flip, but Brady definitely played in the better system and undoubtedly the better HC (the best all-time in my book). But Peyton was gifted a final ring. He was simply along for the ride last year. Dilfer was a better SB-winning QB than Peyton was last year.

        • BerwynBomber

          They did BUT I don’t ever remember third string guys spelling Montana and SF winning. Or for that matter guys who hadn’t started a game since HS as Cassell hadn’t.

          Mind, I still think Brady is an all-timer and the best in the game. But to me it’s always been more about Belichick than Brady. He’s an incomparable HC.

          • willbest

            Well this guy didn’t exactly spell Montana, he was 1 for 10+ on passes over 10 yards while being about 90% on passes under 10. They won that game with defense and special teams and the only thing they asked him to do was not mess it up.

            What they were aided by was a very short week at home, and the Texans having zero data on their QB or any idea how to game plan for him. If they had to start the season with that guy, the Texans would have won

          • BerwynBomber

            Doesn’t matter his stats. They won. 27-0. Imagine us winning a game like that (in such convincing manner) with Pickles.

            And I don’t buy your line that the Texans would have won if only they had more time to scout the guy. Contradiction: on one hand you say he did little (which I agree with), then you say he was the reason they won (Texans didn’t have time to scout him).

            Pick a lane.

          • willbest

            He did little, but the Texans were never able to force him to need to do more. He did enough so that even if the Pats had to punt the Texans were starting inside their own 20. 1 takeaway in the first half would have deflated his confidence. Or just not letting him embarrass them on a 26 yard TD run.

  • EnderWiggin

    Repost for GP

    I’ll never forget the morning after my father’s first heart attack. I
    was probably about 9 or 10, and carrying a big ‘ol bouquet of flowers
    someone had got for my dad. A few of my relatives were crossing the
    street to go into on of the side entrances of St. Francis Medical Center
    (Peoria). Just before we were going to go inside a beautiful cherry
    red Rolls Royce pulls up to a parking spot right near the entrance.
    Naturally this got our attention… Would you look at that! Holy shit! The
    driver of the Rolls was none other than Mr. Fucking T! Holy shit! I was
    a huge fan of the A Team. Who wasn’t?
    Quickly thinking, I knew I’d never get this opportunity again. I ran up to the passenger side of the
    Rolls and tried to hand Mr.T’s hot-as-hell girlfriend/wife my father’s bouquet.
    She got kind of big-eyed and excited as I started handing her the flowers. But as she was snatching them from my hand, Mr. T pushed them out of her hands and back into mine and says (I swear to
    God, guys) he says:
    “We can’t ‘cept no gifts, foo!!”
    Best day ever.

    • MB30SD

      That is amazing.

      I pitty the fool… you.

    • Cormonster

      Great story. I remember the first time I seen Mr. T was when he was in the Chicago bouncer competition. I think that’s how he got his start towards fame.

      • EnderWiggin

        Woah. WTF is a bouncer competition?

        • BearDown100393

          Last man standing at the Double Deuce.

        • Freddy G.P. Soft

          It was on the TV show “That’s Incredible”

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I LOVED that show.

      • AlbertInTucson

        It was, indeed.

        Launched him into “Clubber Lang” and “B.A. Baracus”.

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  • BearDown100393

    “What are you nuts? The kid can’t throw.”

    I guess he learned during half-time.

  • That’s why teams should “pooch” kickoffs.

    Correction. Well coached teams.

    Our specials would just let the returners get to the 40

  • AlbertInTucson

    Is it just me or is watching Houston tonight JUST about like watching…The Bears…?

    • BearDown100393

      Houston sucks! Oh… wait a second…. Never mind.

    • willbest

      Three-quarters of TNF is like this though. One team (usually the home team) just blows the other team out of the water. You wouldn’t think it would be the team with the third string QB when the other team has one of the best defensive fronts in the league though.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      It depends on how you see things. Houstons fans still think they hang the moon.

      Wow! I must be getting old. Eye can’t believe I just used that catch phrase. Smh

  • BearDown100393

    The longer this game goes, the more disheartening it seems to lose against the Texans in Week 1.

    • MB30SD

      Stop that shit… the patriots are super bowl hero’s unless somethingS really bad happen

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Give the devil his due my man. The Bears………

        Damn, I just couldn’t say it.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I have The Blount Instrument in my lineup this week.

    Also Gostkowski.

    • Artoo does too.

      And the Texans apparently cuz they REALLY wanted to gift him that TD by putting it on the 1, not once, but twice.

      • AlbertInTucson

        We thank the Texans.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I wouldn’t mind a consolation TD to Hopkins, either.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “First play in opponent’s territory” late in the 3rd.

    That is SOOO “Bears”.

    • willbest

      No it isn’t. The Quaaludes don’t come out until half time.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Bears were in games 1 & 2 at halftime then stunk out loud in the 2nd half of both games.

  • How the fuck did we get out coached by these Texans bozos?

    Sad.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      I felt like Belicheat was self invoking the mercy rule when he didn’t take advantage of Houston gifting him all their timeouts on the final drive of the first half. I have no doubt they could have scored again.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Cody Whitehair was a major figure in that debacle. Start there.

      • SC Dave

        Oh gawd, get off the bullshit already

      • Johnnywad

        Both tackles were worse in that game.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Is it 30 years too late to become a Patriots fan?? Because this is fucking ridiculous.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      76-0 at Gillette stadium when leading at halftime… Which is impressive until you realize they are substantially better than .500 when they’re behind at halftime at home. Ugh.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Jalen Strong: Genius.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    I hate seeing Josh McDaniels happy. Thanks, Texans.

  • willbest

    I chose my RB in this game poorly

  • EnderWiggin

    I can’t believe that dude is on your bench.

    • willbest

      I have CJ Anderson, miller and Blount. It’s going to be a crapshoot all season on which two to start

      • Once Brady returns, Blount will become nothing more than a flex.
        It’ll be back to Gronk/Edlemen/White

      • Irish Sweetness

        Eh … there’s a flex, no?

        • willbest

          There is but I am not sitting Hopkins, Diggs or Travis Benjamin for an RB that isn’t going to catch passes even if they are going to get 25 carries. And really that is a function of the new world order of a pass happy league where 1 target is worth the same as about 3 carries in terms of expected FF points.

  • AlbertInTucson

    This is me, smiling as The Blount Instrument racks up another 7 for me. 8 if that put him over 100 yards tonight.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Of course,it looks like Hopkins is getting a big, fat zero for me tonight.

      • willbest

        He has like 50 yards on 4 catches

        • AlbertInTucson

          Our yardage bonuses are stingy. They START at 100. Blount IS at 102, though.

          Of course, Houston should be forcing the ball to Hopkins the rest of the night but, I’m not expecting much.

          Osweiler and his coach are clearly overmatched.

          • willbest

            Shit 24 points on my bench

          • AlbertInTucson

            Been there.

            Done that.

      • Figured the Cheats would do everything to stop him. It’s their M.O.

        Stop the #1 threat, and work around it.

        But can’t sit Hopkins. And junk time here

  • BerwynBomber

    Belichick should start Edleman at QB next week just for shits.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      I heard he was going trade a dozen baseballs to that minor league team for Tebow and have him start next week.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Fuck, he could buy the Tebow helmet off of Trump’s shelf at Mar-a-lago, start it, and still win by 20.

        • Freddy G.P. Soft

          Bellichek coached the team Charlie Brown always played in baseball

  • Hmmm. Guess Dwill, Forte and Zeke will have to step up for me this week.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Brady. Garappolo. Brissett.

    SOMEBODY gotta go before next season,no?

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Only to keep Hoodie interested.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      It’s a pretty effective way to laugh in Goodell’s face for suspending Brady for 4 games wouldn’t you say?

    • That Guy

      Brissett has taken care of the football, but the kid has 100 yards and no touchdowns. Don’t anoint him just yet.

      I think Garappolo does enough to prove he’s Brady’s successor. Brady will retire sooner rather than later, the Pats will keep Garappolo around if he’s the future.

      Brissett is making some money tonight, but that money will come elsewhere.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        What you talkin about? Brissett is a FUTURE HOFer!!!

        • willbest

          You just went full Irish. Never go full Irish.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            We should trade our next 3 first round picks and a couple 2nds for that kid.

          • Irish Sweetness

            When did that start? How did it start?

          • willbest

            Falling in love with a bubble roster player and thinking they should start is what I consider full Irish.

  • willbest

    Seriously 50 yards tohopkins please

  • willbest

    With Houston getting beat this bad I question whether the Bears even play the same sport as the Patriots

    • That Guy

      Best coach in at least the last 20 years. Walsh is the last guy in the league that can even touch Bellichek.

      • BerwynBomber

        Belichick over Walsh in a heartbeat. At least for me. Best I’ve ever seen. Period.

        I might take Joe Gibbs over Walsh.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He is good. And again, if he wins 10 games a season for another fifteen years he’ll strt caching up on Shula.

    • MB30SD

      Yeah man, you’re talking about every other team in the NFL.

      And Houston’s having a shit night

      • That Guy

        Thursdays do funny things to teams. That’s also a factor.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Can they make us good?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Hahaha

        • MB30SD

          Exactly nb. They Don’t look like the same team tonight

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I see what you did there.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The Texans are diabetic.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Bear in mind they have one fewer Lombardi because of us.

  • wow. that’s what a good punt looks like.

  • willbest

    I love their punter

  • Not even looking Hopkin’s way.

    What a wanker.

    He’s just gonna keep dumping it off for 8 mins

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    I’m gonna lol if Houston kicks a field goal on this drive.

  • willbest

    McClellin

    • Huge Bears Penis

      why did we ever trade him? he is awesome!!!

      • AlbertInTucson

        Is he starting there if Hightower is healthy…?

        • willbest

          Hightower is out so he is in. Be a couple more weeks it sounds like

          • Huge Bears Penis

            If he gets his job back when he returns. McClellin is too damn awesome!

  • BerwynBomber

    The other genius tonight (beside the incomparable grumpy, little hooded troll)? Elway. Let’s Osweiler walk and rolls with Semien while their rookie Lynch gets tutored by Kubiak.

    P.S. Osweiler’s ceiling looks like average starter and frankly it’s not given he ever gets there.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      Elway knew that receivers have a hard time catching passes from him because the passes are on a downward trajectory.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        He has the launch point of a full size trebuchet

    • Irish Sweetness

      And imagine a Brian Hoyer some way below that … playing against a defense that is not as terrible as Dallas’. We’ll find out when the Lions come to town what hoyer’s about. Then he’ll probably beat the Colts and get murdered by the Packers. Bortles should pick our safeties apart too.

      • BerwynBomber

        Hard to know how long Cutler will be out. Could be a week. Could be much longer.

        • Johnnywad

          I’m betting longer. That’s a bastard of an injury for a quarterback.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Matt Barkley is Jesse Pinkman in an alternate universe where he lifted and banged coeds instead of cooking meth.

    • Irish Sweetness

      “Snap the BALL … BITCH!”

      (kicks Whitehair in the ass)

  • EnderWiggin

    Watt looked so happy after the game.

  • That Guy

    Hypothetical.

    Take the best coach in NFL history. Could be Walsh, Papa Bear, Bellicheck, whoever you want. Maybe even a hypothetical hybrid of all of them. Assume that that coach has been hanging around the past couple of years as a consultant, so he’s up on all the current trends, players, rules, etc. Put that coach in charge of this roster we have right now, today.

    How many wins do we get?

    I look at what the Patriots do. Injuries, suspensions, rules changes, lost draft picks. They keep winning games. And I wonder, is it good drafting? I doubt it, McLellin sucked here and is working out there. Is it good QB play in a pass happy league? Nope, they won the Superbowl with defense and have been a run heavy team the last couple of years. Is it star players? Nope, Brady has gone down, they traded away stars… it hasn’t made a big difference.

    Its leadership. Bellicheck is just that damn good.

    So if we install an absolute all time greatest coach ever, how much better could this team be? Maybe not much; Bellicheck couldn’t win in this league with a college roster. Maybe a lot.

    I agree with Jeff. We’re not getting good production from the coaching staff. Our roster isn’t stacked, but we shouldn’t be this terrible. Fangio is doing fine, if not stellar. But the offense is unacceptable and the blame starts with the coaches.

    • Irish Sweetness

      After today, I have to agree. I thought we’d beat the Texans. Osweiler is not a good QB. We got pantsed. The Patriots are without Brady and Garrapolo, start some guy called Brissett … and they shut out the Texans with Watt and Clowney. Unbelievable. He’s just the smartest guy in the room.

    • Scharfinator

      Yup, agreed. I’m starting to think NFL coaching isn’t as high brow as the coaches want you to think – which explains why Belicheck could stand out so. He’s a lot smarter than the rest of them.

    • BerwynBomber

      Mostly agree but holding up Belichick as your standard is unrealistic. It is like complaining your small forward is not LeBron James.

  • Irish Sweetness

    See Bellifat was playing the ‘Chicago 2’ on that interception by Jamie Collins? Tampa 2, but where the linebacker drops back? I haven’t seen that from Fangio. He could do that with Freeman. But he won’t. He could pressure QBs. But he won’t.

    The good thing about Vic Fangio is that he’ll ensure we’re in the running for top draft pick.

    Brian Hoyer an Vic Fangio … do what you do. It will be for the better.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, in the Iggles’ very first series Mon night, Fangio sent two nickel/slot blitzes at Wentz on two separate plays that were pretty well disguised when PHI was running their no huddle/empty set stuff. The problem was Wentz read them like a smart ten year veteran and went to the hot read each time. In fact, on the first he read it so well that he audibled and literally stepped toward Jordan Matthews to indicate he, correctly, would be the hot read. PHI got positive pass completions in each instance.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s just weak horrible defense to look at though. How many times did Osweiler drop back and there was never anyone right up the snot after him? We have lots of guys that can rush the passer. Why they haven’t got a linebacker rushing on every second play? All of- our backers can rush the passer. Can’t play bend-don’t-break unless you have studs up front. You know what it is – he has his system. It worked in SF with better players, and he’s just too lazy to go and rethink things. Probably a real stubborn motherfucker.

        I like the players we have (had) on defense … but the missing link is a Wilkerson. We’re a Wilkerson short of a playoff picnic.

        • SC Dave

          He has had TWO games with this defense.

        • Sactowns#1

          The D was on the field for 80% of the game, I don’t blame them for looking defeated in the second half. In the first half they looked pretty good and stopped quite a few 3rd down attempts.

        • CanadaBear

          None of us are happy with the results but the D has kept them in games for 3 quarters and then collapsed (with a lot of help from a horribly inept O and shitty KO returns). There isn’t one guy on their D that is a blue chip player. Not one. Not sure where you get the idea the Bears LB’s are good at rushing the passer. Stats say otherwise.

  • SC Dave
    • Irish Sweetness

      This is going to be fun.

      But the shitstorm coming might have a bright side …

      Okay, I said I wouldn’t, but I had to. Matt Barkley looks good. He was behind a Cardinals line, but he shows nice touch and accuracy. Yes, in pre-season, where your touch and accuracy are just as real.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ZKhRAYb1U

    • Scharfinator

      What the fuck have they been feeding our guys? Bone decay serum?

      • Irish Sweetness

        I think that stuff went out of fashion in the Seventies ….

      • BearDown100393

        CPS lunches

      • SC Dave

        And everyone dissed Alshon for not training with these fools. Well, I didn’t.

        • willbest

          He is hurt too.

          • SC Dave

            He’ll play Sunday.

        • Captain Obvious

          Yes, because team conditioning will prevent concussions, hand, and toe injuries… which make up 1/3 of the injury report.

          • SC Dave

            Theres still 2/3

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Does Chicago get their drinking water from Michigan?

  • chitownproud85

    Somewhere in this endless chain of comments is someone pointing out that Hoyers season last year was better than all of Cuttys seasons, except one.

    I’m actually in no way surprised by that. Cuttys best seasons are usually talked about in terms of “he didnt turn the ball over as much” or “he ran the offense well”. Dude has a basement of “terrible” and a ceiling of “good” and hes essentially bipolar in terms of performance. Its been a wild fucking ride with that guy.

    Whats the general thoughts from the members of this blog on whether or not hes played his last down as a Bear? Or perhaps how likely it is that its his last season as a Bear? I’m just curious as to what you all are thinking on that front.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      At this point, having a coaching staff that can make the necessary adjustments to win football games is the “singular” most important thing I’m really focused on.

      Besides, didn’t the staff try dealing Cutler last year?

      • chitownproud85

        No no no. This is not a Cutty hate post, or a deal Cutty post, or an opinion post. I literally am curious to know how everyone feels about whether he will here in the next few weeks, or next year for that matter. Its not a “what has Cutty done” post but a “whats next” post. I should have clarified, I dont need anyone putting boots in my ass unnecessarily.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          It is what it is. I’ll just say this, Cutler will be gone before this coaching staff moves on. He’s not in this Clubs future plans. Eye fully believe that.

          • MB30SD

            Agree

        • Johnnywad

          My opinion….If Hoyer happens to play well, which I doubt, you may see a controversy. Even then, I suspect Cutty takes the team back over when healthy. He simply has far more natural talent. That said, if he doesn’t put up some numbers down the stretch, I suspect he’s in trouble. Well not really trouble, he would likely end up on a quarterback starved, otherwise solid, contender as a starter.

          That INT Sunday, I felt it coming. I said it out loud a few minutes before it happened. He just has those games, and it looked like one on them. I still think they can win big with him, but if no help is in sight for the edges of the O Line, it really doesn’t matter.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agree with all except your last sentence.

            Well, except maybe the starter for a contender thing. Not sure Cutty will be an easy sell to another team’s fan base, and whether GMs admit it or not, that calculation sometimes comes into play in such decisions.

            So I wouldn’t be shocked were he a back-up for another team next year. Mind, I think he is ordinarily as good as any of the bottom half of the starters in the league, but sometime a reputation is hard to shake. Especially at his age.

          • chitownproud85

            I’m with you. I think Ive just reached this…critical mass of apathy…with Jay. For year after year its always been someone elses fault…the o-line…no defense…no weapons…bad play calling…too many different coaches…yada yada, on and on. The fact is, all of those things are true. Every one of those obstacles really have existed…but that being said…its just fucking exhausting. “It” just doesnt seem to be happening, and at some point, isnt it time to move on? The logical response is – “move on to what?” and thats what scares me even more. Jay may not be what we hoped he would be…but…life after him? Craig Krenzel? Do we really even want to talk about it?

        • CanadaBear

          I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion Cutler gets the job back if Hoyer is playing well and the Bears are winning. I doubt that scenario plays out but it might. If the Bears end up drafting in the top 5 and take a QB, I’m guessing they go with Hoyer. I don’t think the Bears will get much if they try to trade Cutler. For the vast majority of teams he would be the backup and nobody is paying $15 mil for a backup. His rep around the league is so bad that every new Bears coaching staff has been surprised that Cutler wasn’t the anti-christ. He’s been a media punching bag forever and most fans would be horrified to be stuck with him. Even though he is much better than most of them suspect.

          • SC Dave

            I agree with all this.

      • BearDown100393

        Miami would take Jay Cutler.

        • BerwynBomber

          As a back-up, but over Tannenhill? Doubtful.

          The best landing spot for Jay (and we are waaaaaaaaaaaay early in such speculation) might be DC. Jay’s better than Cousins, and Cousins is currently stinking up the joint.

          • BearDown100393

            Miami is also 0-2 and the team can opt out of Tannehill’s contract at the end of this season. Perhaps Gase misses #6.

          • BerwynBomber

            He doesn’t. Biggs report made clear that the Cutty marriage was forced on everyone, and Cutty and Tannenhill are about the same QB numbers-wise, except the latter is considerably younger. Can’t see it happening unless Tannenhll wants out of MIA.

    • BerwynBomber

      Flip a coin as to whether he stays or goes. My only suggestion is we draft a QB this year, even if it is a 2nd or 3rd round developmental guy. Regardless if Cutty is here or not.

      The argument for keeping Cutler is that his salary is now market/performance appropriate and he is probably better than what could be had FA or via trade. (I say “probably” for the exact reason you cite regarding Hoyer last year; I’m not convinced every journeyman guy would fail to live up to Cutty’s usual performance/efficiency for a year or two.)

      The argument for jettisoning him is you get a true fresh start from past, especially if we were to move on from Fox also. (In fact, if we axed Fox there is no way in hell I would saddle a fourth HC with Cutty.) Plus, if you draft a kid, you probably have less QB controversy than if Cutty sticks; i.e., everyone would understand a bridge guy’s role. Given the Cutty support among the fan base, not sure that would happen with #6.

    • willbest

      One of 3 things has to happen for the Bears to move on from Cutler

      1) He comes back from his sprain and produces a cut worthy performance

      2) There is a consensus #1 QB, the bears are picking in the top 8, and the person with the #1 does not need a QB

      3) Fox gets fired

  • chitownproud85
    • Scharfinator

      “‘It really depends on what the defense is doing to you,’ offensive coordinator Dowell Loggains said”

      WHAT?!?! That’s so fucking passive. TAKE BATTLEFIELD INITIATIVE AND KEEP IT YOU IMBECILE

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Wasn’t Loggains Jeffs buddy boy? Eye seem to remember Jeff being optimistic about him when he got the job.

        • Freddy G.P. Soft

          Did you give Jeff a Palantir so you could spy on him?

          You’re such an amateur Sauron. Instead of heavy crystal balls with tunnel vision we use iPhones now with 5mp lenses.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I see you…

            I’m Sauron’s right eyeball. Big difference. Who do you think gave you the Eye phone? Hmm…hmm?

        • BerwynBomber

          I have a faint recollection of that too. And didn’t Cutty prefer him?

    • willbest

      They have an identity on offense. diddle around with Langford and then heave the long ball at Jeffery to make the stat line not completely suck.

      • Freddy G.P. Soft

        3 step drops. Slants and outs. Move the chains.

        • willbest

          Jay isn’t a 10 yards at a time QB, because invariably we will end up with a dropped or bad pass, a run for no gain, or a penalty and be looking at 3rd and 10.

          And maybe it is just me, but I feel like we have an inordinate amount of TFLs and tackles for no gain in our running game. Like if we run on first and second down we are on average in 3 and 7 while every other team is 3rd and 3.

          • MB30SD

            You forgot strip fumble/sack

          • Freddy G.P. Soft

            That’s BirdCage.

            Gase worked against the scouting reports, he knew what they expected. BirdCage is getting owned like the bottom he is. They see the formations, they know the plays.

        • SC Dave

          Biggs’ article said the Bears are #1 in the NFL on average yards on first down.

          Something to ponder.

          • BillW

            The mean, by itself, is a meaningless statistic. In any application. And especially when you have a relatively small sample size.

            I’ll spare you all the statistical details, but it’s intuitive. One large gain on 1st down can make the average large, making it useless, if not worse (thinking you’re better than you really are).

            What’s their median gain on first down? What percent are for 2 yards or less? That would be more telling.

          • BillW

            And… that is why I should read the article first before commenting.

            Biggs says upfront they are number one in gains of 4 yards or more on 1st down. Nearly 70% of the time.

            Yes, that is in fact the right way to look at this type of thing (defining the distribution, not one summary statistic)

            And 70% is very impressive.

          • SC Dave

            Yeah, but you were right in that I did not really quote the right stat. My free views ran out and I could not go back in and look at it.

      • MB30SD

        F2F kills real football will.

        Put down the stat sheet and watch the GAME

        • willbest

          I do, it looks about like that. Although last week Freeman and Royal brought their A game while everybody else got hurt.

          • MB30SD

            Happens. Collision sports aren’t easy

          • willbest

            No doubt… but when we go from a 1 name injury report (Fuller) to an 11 name injury report with 1 on IR and 3 more missing multiple weeks… yikes.

          • SC Dave

            Yeah, that’s some ugly stuff.

          • MB30SD

            yep, ask the pats or chargers how they’re doing right about now. Seems pretty standard across the NFL

          • SC Dave

            Freeman certainly looks like our best linebacker. Although it should be noted that the tackle total from game 1 was actually 10, not 17.

  • BearDown100393

    “To run the ball well it takes all 11 guys,” Loggains said. “That’s
    what’s different on offense than defense. Defense, it takes one guy to
    make a tackle. To gain 4 yards on offense, it takes 11 guys doing their
    job.”

    I’m sure Fangio enjoyed being lectured on how much harder the OC position is compared to his own.

    • Big Mike

      He’s right in a lot of ways. On defense you need your very best athletes and a scheme that takes advantage of them. A corner can blow a coverage, unless the offense is going that way or audibles to it, no harm no foul. A DT can get blocked, or fall down, no worries. A DE can penetrate too deep, unless their is a counter, boot, reverse etc called no problem. Scheme, technique good coaching all matter on defense. On offense, if 1 of the 5 guys on the OL misses his assignment, play most likely won’t work. If the TE misses his assignment as was the case on 3-4 plays last week, the entire OL looks stupid and the play fails.

      • SC Dave

        Not trying to be contrary, but a WR can fall down on a route, an RB can run the wrong route, etc., and things can still work. ELEVEN guys don’t have to do everything right – 7 or 8 is good enough.

        • Big Mike

          It’s not the same. Point stands. 1 guy can make a great play on defense. 1 guy can’t make a great play on offense. There is no point to be argued. Its simply a fact.

          • TBC

            The defense works together just like the offense does. 1 mistake on defense can ruin it for the other 10 doing their jobs. 1 mistake on offense can ruin it for the other 10 doing their jobs.

            One defender can conceivably make a play while the other 10 are holding their dicks. And Russell Wilson can turn a broken play into a 50 yard gain.

          • Big Mike

            I’ve been coaching for 15 years. Played for a dozen. Offense and Defense are different. A defense is not as dependent on everything working at the same time. Getting everyone on the same page and executing their technique on defense is still the objective. I’ve been to dozens of clinics, taught by top coaches at all levels. There really doesn’t seem to be any disagreement that dependencies and synchronization of individual assignments on offense are greater than they are on defense.

          • SC Dave

            The only thing that requires all 11 guys on offense to do the right thing is avoiding a pre-snap penalty.

          • Big Mike

            Never mind. not worth debating a point that any Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator or Defensive coordinator would agree with. Offense is more dependent on timing, coordination of all 11 players doing their job than on defense.

        • willbest

          I think what makes players like Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben special is there ability to see defensive mistakes and take advantage of them.

          • BerwynBomber

            That is definitely true of Brady and Rodgers. With Ben — not that he is bad at reading D’s — but it is more about his ability to make/extend plays while staying within the pocket.

            Even in last week’s game against Cincy where he played crappy at times he managed to make a couple of those classic R-berger plays, one where he shed one rusher with his free arm and hand, then spun from another before lofting a perfect 30 yarder down the left sideline. All while still in the pocket.

    • TBC

      That’s one of the most obtuse things I’ve ever heard an NFL coach say. What a poindexter.

  • Cubsnlinux

    I am not a football expert by any means so I am having trouble understanding this whole – “We need to run more” calls. If we have a lock down defense then the offense will have more leverage and more time to run the football. But when we are playing catch up most of the time because we consistently cannot stop the other team from scoring then how the heck can we afford to burn the clock and run more? This problem is further amplified when our tackles cannot block and our OL cannot create the gaps. First and second downs may be the obvious running downs. But if we don’t gain any ground or say lose ground on the first down and at the same trailing the other team by a touch down wouldn’t it put more pressure on the OC to pass?

    • SC Dave

      The Bears defense gives up the third fewest yards per play in the NFL. While in week 1 they could not get off the field on third down, against the Eagles they did fine.

      The REAL problem is an impotent offense, which will hopefully change this week.

      • MB30SD

        We need to beat the cowgirls boys… my good friend is a boys fan. Just don’t embarrass me.

      • Johnnywad

        Precisely. The defense is pretty sound. No complaints there. It will likely improve with the youngins getting reps and McPhee coming back.

        My hope is that Fox and Loggains have come to the realization the line will not allow them to run the O they thought they would be able to run. Seems like they started the season playing the D close to the vest while assuming the offense would score more. Week one, well that was the Texans. Not time to burn the playbook just yet. Week two, it appears Massie is terrible, Long is playing hurt and Whitehair is learning on the job. Hopefully, we get a different look.

        • Yeah, like I remarked in a previous thread, the D is set up to bend, so they can be on the field for like 7 mins and give up only a FG. In some way’s it’s like the Lovie D.

          But what CAN’T happen is the above scenario, then the O goes 3 and out, and they’re immediately back on the field again.

          And that’s essentially what’s been happening.

          I sorta agree with Irish though. When that scenario unfolds, we can’t just keep bending.

          Fangio needs to become more aggressive when he sees the O doing shit.

          More exotic. Take a few more chances.

          • willbest

            Lovie had takeaways and sacks. This D does not. Right now it waits for the opponent to beat themselves.

          • Lovie had more talent.

            Harris was Aaron Donald.

            We don’t have that guy on the Dline.

            And as good as our MLBs are, they’re no Lach, nor is Amos Mike Brown or Fuller Peanut.

            Good god, am I pining for Angelo?

            jesus.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            no your pining is misguided. both Mike Brown and Lach were drafted a year before Angelo.

          • MB30SD

            yeah, stop that.

    • Jokey

      I hear you. I didn’t see many gaps. Howard ran through a couple. I think he only ran a couple plays actually. I dunno, do O-lineman block better for some runners than others? Probably not. But I totally agree, if establishing a ground game means seeing more of a runner going into a wall of lineman, then I can’t see how that helps anything. Let’s do something different – a reverse here and there, a couple bootlegs, although Hoyer isn’t the guy for that. I dunno. I’ll watch sunday night but maybe not past halftime. Sucks to say but I’m just not feeling it.

  • SC Dave
  • Big Mike

    Are the Bears on this weekend?

    • SC Dave

      It’s prime time, so the game will be televised. Sunday Night Football.

      Though maybe that’s not quite what you meant…

      • Sactowns#1

        Please don’t embarrass us again gentlemen.

    • BillW

      Kind of like an old Johnny Carson joke. “Do they get the tonight show in England?”
      “Well, it’s on but they don’t ‘get’ it.”

      The Bears have a national TV game. We’ll see if they are “on” or not.

    • 505Bears

      I think I’ll watch the Simpsons instead. Save my liver the agony.

  • willbest
  • Hey, Austin Seferian Jenkins is available now after he got a DUI.

    It’s not as if he beat his child’s balls.

    I say we take a chance on him.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/09/23/seferian-jenkins-tweets-goodbye-to-tampa-bay/

    • CanadaBear

      Fuck yeah. And hire a driver.

      • willbest

        I thought all football teams already had a car service for their players to call any time day or night.

        • CanadaBear

          They do. Get him a full-time driver. For some reason these guys still drink and drive rather than call a service.

    • SC Dave

      Why? He hardly looks like a star.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m guessing he would have made that block instead of completely ignoring the obvious. That play reminded me of the infamous Conte play. You’re lined up against him, it’s obvious if you don’t pick them up bad things are going to happen and inexplicably you do nothing to impede their progress.

      • He was a 2nd rd pick for a reason.

        Right now we have an inj pron old Miller, and zip behind him (Paulsen is a blocking TE).

        I say kick the tires on him. God knows we need O help.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Pass.

      This isn’t his first DUI.

  • Maybe we should listen to Bill about “speed”. I love when he talks football.

    Hope White is not just an underwear olympic champ.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/09/23/bill-belichick-explains-time-speed-vs-football-speed/

  • lol You have got to be kidding me.

    It’s like the football gods want to test Bill. Edlemen! Edlemen!

    WEEI Boston’s Mike Petraglia reports Jacoby Brissett will need thumb surgery after injuring the finger in Thursday night’s win.

    It’s a torn right (throwing) thumb ligament, which Brissett apparently suffered in the second half against the Texans but played through. We have no idea whom the Patriots are going to start at quarterback in Week 4 against the Bills. They have nine days to figure it out. Tom Brady has one more game to serve on suspension, while JimmyGaroppolo is battling a painful shoulder injury. Julian Edelman has been working as the Patriots’ emergency quarterback. – roto

    • willbest

      If he pulls it off, they should wave all formalities and just induct him into Canton a week from Monday.

      • SC Dave

        No, they should not.

      • MB30SD

        totally agree. I like the fact that he always does whatever it takes (and I do mean whatever) to win.

        I would kill for a coach like that, rather than the fucking pussy milquetoast sunsabitches we’ve had over the last decade+

        sigh.

    • MB30SD

      EDELMAN!!!!!!!!

      My man crush.

    • Sactowns#1

      Trade them Jay Cutler ASAP.

    • BearDown100393

      Jeff George

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      That is well and truly amazing.

  • willbest

    Texans blamed the loss last night on the guy who books their hotel because the team couldn’t handle the 1 and 20 minutes bus ride to the stadium.

    • Sactowns#1

      I would blame it on the two special teams turnovers. hard to overcome fumbling on the 10 and 15 in the same half.

      • SC Dave

        They were consecutive?

        • Sactowns#1

          Not back to back, no. From memory, one occurred early in the 2nd qtr and then late in the second qtr or early in the third. It was a gift which turned into 10 points.

  • willbest

    I can’t believe we are 2 days away from a Bears game. I haven’t recovered from the last one yet.

    • SC Dave

      Lol <= dont use that much but literally true. A good post for a Friday

      • MB30SD

        : /

  • MB30SD
  • ugh. Ran across this. Jesus. It’s not just a “black” problem.

    http://www.laweekly.com/news/video-shows-boyle-heights-teen-shot-by-cops-was-dragged-from-scene-7308752

    Juan and Josefina have lived in Los Angeles for 16 years; they moved into their current house on South Indiana Street when Jose was 7. Juan is a short, husky man with broad shoulders and a deep, resonant voice. To provide for his family, he volunteers to supervise for weekend banquets at the hotel, and afterward, he gathers up the discarded bottles and cans to extra money.

    “I work honorably. I provide for my family,” he adds, pausing to gather his emotions, then continuing. “And I’m mad. I’m very angry. To me, it isn’t right. I want to know the truth of what happened to my son.”

    In thinking about how his son’s death has affected his life, Juan returns to a memory of a
    day trip years back that the family made to Hollywood. Juan is sure there is a photo of it tucked away in a family album somewhere. The photo is of Jose, and he was only a boy then, cheesing it up beside two police officers on the Walk of Fame; Juan remembers coaxing his son into the photo.

    “There was a time I admired the police,” Juan says, and his voice grows stern. “I had a lot of respect for the police. Now my children run away at the sight of police.”

    • And for you closet racists, maybe empathize with this.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVR4wTPsHYk

    • Sactowns#1

      As I’ve been saying, the govt is trying to condition the public to obey any and all orders, even unlawful ones, or the consequences will be death.

      • beninnorcal

        Sac, I don’t get it, coming from you who’s clearly a Dem.
        So you’re essentially saying don’t trust the government yet you back the party of bloated government.

        Second thing that I don’t understand, and it comes from many on the left is this:
        ‘The police are an oppressive, power-hungry bunch of racists, ONLY THEY should have guns.’

        • I can’t speak for Sac, (and I actually think he’s a Social-democrat), but most activist don’t find anything inherently wrong with government or cops, but the regulation/training thereof.

          And I for one don’t think Am should give up their guns, but I might be in the minority as a socialist on that one.

          • willbest

            The concept of noblesse oblige is long dead. Our political and economic betters are all malignant. Voluntarily giving them more power is asking to be chained.

            The reason why Trump is hated even within the GOP controlling class is because he is a big fuck you to the current political structure. He is the message, what he does is irrelevant.

          • Sactowns#1

            I keep hearing this from his supporters. I think it’s a big endorsement of the current system. Proof the rubes will vote for any rich white guy.

          • willbest

            As opposed to the rich white girl?

          • SC Dave

            ??? Wow

          • Huge Bears Penis

            YAY!! Rich white guy for the win!!!

          • Johnnywad

            When’s the last time we didn’t have a rich white guy in the Oval Office?

          • GW.

            Obama is half-white, does that count?

          • willbest

            Harry Truman was the last President with an estimated net worth under 1 million in 2010 dollars. Trump incidentally would be the richest President we elect ever. And Hillary Clinton would have a net worth placing her around 2 or 3 on the list. Our first president (Washington) was incidentally our richest with an estimated net worth in around 525 mil (in 2010) dollars

        • Sactowns#1

          A) I think most progressives are for personal liberty and freedom. I don’t know if that automatically means larger govt. Of course I would rather have a smaller military, smaller CIA (one that doesn’t “lose” trillions of dollars) DEA, and smaller govt in many arenas. Of course I want regulations to solve the “commons” issue. ie We all need air and water to live so lets make sure its clean.
          B) I’m a gun owner so no, I’ve never said only police should have guns.

          • beninnorcal

            Never accused you of saying that, Sac, but many on your end of the spectrum have been saying it for some time. And you HAVE stated to me the civilians shouldn’t have access to handguns.

          • Sactowns#1

            Yup. I think it’s silly to have legal handguns. Their only purpose is to kill other humans. But its WAY down on my list of priorities.

          • beninnorcal

            Progressives are generally in favor of higher taxes which ends up being bigger gubmint.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            No one is in favor of higher taxes. They are in favor of expenditures, which necessitate taxes. Progressives are generally in favor of tax revenue structures that are ‘progressive’, not ‘regressive’, whereas conservatives tend to favor ‘regressive’ tax structures.
            Fixed it for you.

          • beninnorcal

            Sorry, ‘in favor of policies that lead to higher taxes’
            Free college and healthcare for all. That better?

          • Sactowns#1

            A) you could just reallocate funds to pay for those things (google pentagon and trillions)
            B) If you pay for healthcare and college now then what’s the difference in getting it for free and paying a comparable amount in taxes?

          • beninnorcal

            I don’t think everyone should go to college. I think single payer healthcare sounds like an wven bigger shit-show than anything else we’ve tried.

          • willbest

            We have too many college grads as it is. What is more college going to do? Its a really Fing expensive way to delay entry into the workforce though.

          • SC Dave

            College education is not required to be successful. The whole thing is a fucking canard

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Not every progressive is a Bernie supporter but don’t strain yourself there.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Or a huge military industrial complex… That better?

          • Sactowns#1

            Yup. Stop the corporate welfare for starters.

          • willbest

            Bullshit line. Food Stamps is corporate welfare.

          • Sactowns#1

            Yup. How many Walmart workers are on food stamps because they refuse to pay a living wage or employ people full time? We are subsidizing their business even if we don’t want to. https://www.thenation.com/article/walmart-wages-are-the-main-reason-people-depend-on-food-stamps/

          • willbest

            Not just that it drives up the cost of food because there is more money available to buy it. My point is the lionshare of what the Federal government does subsidizes some business or another.

          • SC Dave

            Oh gawd.. living wage? Smh

            Stop buying at walmart then

          • Johnnywad

            LOL. Living wage indeed. Since when is stocking shelves, a job historically relegated to teens, a vehicle to provide for ones family? This shit cracks me up. The path to relative success in this country is very fucking simple. If you almost half way pay attention in High School, graduate and then either learn a trade or further your education and mix it with a little effort and a good work ethic, everything will be fine. This isn’t fucking hard. On the other hand, should you choose to take the path of Wal Mart greeter, McDonalds fry cook, well, you’re gonna struggle. Forever.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I wish I could vote this up more! All you need to do is graduate and be willing to put in hard work. I paid my way through most of my college as a manual laborer pouring concrete. I made more in 3-4 months than most people working at walmart or washing dishes made in a year.

          • The thing is, those disgruntled 40 yr old McDs workers don’t just live on some retard island.

            They have kids they might not be able to afford. Those kids will go to school with your kids, or run across them at basketball courts, or clubs.

            They get injured, guess what? more taxpayer $.

            (and what fault is it of the kids that their parents were fuck ups?)

            Or maybe they decide , “fuck mopping up shit for a living. I’m gonna start home invading or slinging”.

            See, this is a totally realistic outcome. And those former who went to school, church, abided the laws, will undoubtedly be targets for the more desperate.

            Which in the long run probably costs civilization more on multiple levels.

            So, throwing them $15 /hr might be more beneficial not just to them, but everyone else.

          • Johnnywad

            So everybody gets $15 an hour? And everything is cool? That’s the dopiest thing I’ve read on the matter.

            So, if I pay my employees that aren’t skilled enough to earn $15 an hour in the trades, do I get to pass that added cost on to my customers? Good luck with that.

            Also, have you ever watched an idiot manage their money? How about a guy pulling down $400 a week that’s covered in expensive tattoos and driving a $1200 car with a $1000 spoiler on it? Or the same guy smoking two packs a day in that same budget?

            Just picking an arbitrary number to give everybody is pointless. Worse than that, it will necessarily raise prices or close businesses. Then where are we?

            You want $? It’s easy, find a way to make yourself worth $.

          • I didn’t say it was fool proof.

            But like in football, it’s stats.

            it’s not “arbitrary”. Have you read “Nickle and Dimed”?

            If I’m a D coordinator , and I see the O runs ii on first down 80-% time, it MIGHT be a good investment to drop a safety in the box.

            The O could pass it for 80 yards.

            Doesn’t mean playing the film is a bad idea.

          • willbest

            If all men are equal, they can bear the tax burden equally. I honestly wouldn’t mind paying the tax burden of 3-4 men, if I got 3-4 votes. A pity nobody had the foresight to add that to the income tax amendment.

          • And by that logic, Hillary probably pays for like 10,000 men, so she should get 10,000 + votes more than you.

            And how about Clooney, or Sean Penn, or Barbara Streisand creating tax brackets for you?

          • willbest

            And I would be fine with that.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Well fuck off then

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            So that’s where all those extra votes come from?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Might be the dumbest comment you’ve ever made.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I am not sure about that. He has said some really dumb stuff on here.

          • Plutocracies get a bad rap, MBP!

            This is awesome. This is like Andy Kaufman level. I love it.

          • madscout12

            Get him talking about the non-aggression principal…the one where they equate taxes with theft and murder.

          • SC Dave

            Progressives assuage their guilt about inequity using someone elses money.

          • willbest

            Considering personal liberty and freedom are inconsistent with taxation, I would argue that progresssive are mostly about power for themselves.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I’d argue that your growth and development as a human being stalled out in fourth grade. Horses for courses.

          • willbest

            Which is about where your ability for reason and logic stalled out. Nobody’s perfect.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Advocating for a plutocracy as the proper form of government hardly makes you rational, you fuck twit.

          • willbest

            Not in the least. But then again you continue to prove my previous statement holds.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Like your pal, Drumpf, you never back up your incendiary statements. Run and hide, dummy.

          • willbest

            Oh is this what this is about. Getting worried about the bet? packer pink is going to look good on you. Though given you have done nothing more than throw cheap insults at me, I don’t expect you to follow through.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            No, as with the many other times you’ve made really stupid statements, you claimed you never said them because you’re too chicken shit to defend them when called on them.

          • willbest

            Its pretty simple really. The state demands that I take care of my children, but provides me with a wide latitude in how I do that. If the state demmands that I take care of you, Mike, then I should have a similarly wide latitude. Of course what cause on is it comes to me and says I have to take care of you, but I don’t get a say in how that plays out.

            Anyway, I never advocated for a plutocracy. Now perhaps you don’t know what that means, you have demonstrated an amazing amount of ignorance and a shit attitude. You would only have a plutocracy in my system if only the elite paid taxes. That doesn’t happen now of course. The middle to upper middle class ponies up the lionshare of taxes, but since the elite promise table scraps to the poor we live in a quasi-plutocratic state right now (and its getting worse). And you have to look no further than if you get your way this election 4 of the last 5 presidents will be from 2 families.

            What I am proposing would actually increase the power of the middle class, and that scares the crap out of somebody like you because the middle class doesn’t share your ideals the way the elites pretend to. Nothing wrong with voting your own interest of course.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            You advocate for weighting ones natural right to vote according to their income level. With a straight face. That makes you a complete moron with a psuedointellectual grasp of representative democracy. And then you act as if you’re an advocate of the middle class. That is goddamn hilarious.

          • willbest

            Natural right to vote? heh. I just want to pat your head, and pinch your cheeks.

          • SC Dave

            Progressives, so far as I understand, believe in government solutions. Libertarians believe in individual solutions.

            Latter should ALWAYS have precedence.

          • Individuals DECIDED social security was best. That govt SHOULD step in to monitor corporations like for safety conditions (like in the meat industry where fingers were part of burgers back in the days) because when left to their own devices, rich powerful oligarchs will only care about profit.

            Individuals did not simply set their slaves free. Nor give women and minorities the right to vote out of the kindness of their hearts, or reduce the work week, or make conditions safer , or end child labor (no more chimney sweeps!) etc.

            Individuals decided that the govt SHOULD step in and yes, police powerful individuals and industries because we have all seen what happens when they’re left to their own bidding.

            To me, that’s all govt means. Keeping oligarchs in check, and it’s been a bitter struggle to give the common man the rights and level of peace and comfort they afford now; however, now adays, it seems like govt is now more of a puppet to the powerbrokers instead of the watchdog for the little folk, so I can see why ppl are disillusioned about govt, but that doesn’t mean govt always has to be that way, because we already experienced ‘laissez faire’ programs, and individuals pretty much condemned it (world wide).

            That’s the way I see it, at least.

            Govt shouldn’t solve all problems, merely keep the corporations in check, use the military cautiously, and maintain the infrastructure so that citizens can go about their lives.

        • MB30SD

          ben, there’s no such things as a party of non-bloated government any more maings. they both suck ass and are only interested in the perpetuation of power and money (for themselves). That’s the ONLY reality yo

          • I think there is a difference in WHO the Dems and Reps want to throw $ at.

            For the most part, Reps want to payoff corporations and the war machine.
            The Dems govt workers and unions.

          • MB30SD

            sure, but in the end… same shit.

          • beninnorcal

            The Dems give money to workers? I think you have that backwards. Corporations pay workers, unions take money in the form of dues and fork it over to the Dems. Sure, the unions try and make for better wages and working conditions, but coming from someone who’s in a union, I’m not sure you get what you pay for.

          • willbest

            Those are old school democrats. The new school democrats are all about corporations and billion backers through grants to NGOs they control all while their wall street buddies take their cut. They even support the Military Industrial Complex now. There is really dick all reason to vote for except for the few scraps they throw at their voters.

          • beninnorcal

            Not entirely true, MB, they’re called libertarians.

          • Sactowns#1

            Which election did they win? What offices do they hold?

          • beninnorcal

            I’ve never voted for a Bush or a Clinton or any other mainstream candidate. Guess I’ve been wasting my vote out of principle all this time, Sac. Won’t change though. I won’t vote for Trump or Hillary.

          • Sactowns#1

            I appreciate your principled stand.

          • Hey, I voted for Bill one time (my first vote actually) cuz I thought he seemed reasonable and CARED.

            I was a bit politically naive at the time, though one must say that under his presidency, the U.S. was boss .

            I also voted for Obama since I thought there was a chance he could change things, and that it was a historically symbolic gesture for the U.S.

            Those are the only times I voted “mainstream”.

            Some Dems are still pissed I voted for Nader over Gore. “You elected GW!”

            My retort, “NO. YOU elected GW. next time offer a better candidate.”

            And that’s the same thing I’m refraining this election when I don’t vote for Corporate Shill Hill.

          • SC Dave

            The only time I ever wanted to vote mainstream was Reagans second term. And i started in 1976

          • I might’ve told this story already, but I worked with a computer tech guy who was libertarian, which must’ve been hell for him cuz all the professors around him would make Sac look like bow-tie republican, so he would always grumble under his breath whenever they would make sly political remarks.

            But every election, he would vote libertarian, I would vote green, and we would tip our hats to one another.

            The one odd contradiction I found in him though was that he was staunchly anti-abortion, which seems counter libertarian, but he didn’t see it that way obviously.

            But, I get the libertarian appeal. I get voting for the ‘up your guys’ like Perot or even Trump.

            But I honestly don’t get voting for nitwits like GW or the other neocons lackeys, and by the same token, Hillary or Al Gore.

            I suspect it’s more cultural than intellectual, but who the heck knows.

          • willbest

            If life begins at conception or implantation, it is a libertarians duty to protect the fetus in all instances except
            1) Incest or rape (the woman was denied agency)
            2) save the life of the mother (self defense)

            In every other instance the child is the natural consequence of the actions taken by the mother and its liberty must be protected.

          • I get the premise (which can’t be proven empirically either way without getting all metaphysical ) but I also thought Libertarians were about ‘live and let live’ and not implementing someone else’s moral code on an individual.

          • willbest

            Well the central tenant is your rights cannot infringe on another. If the baby is alive then it has the right to exist. Killing it would be an infringement on its right. The counter is the woman has a right to her body, but where the woman is the guilty party (the baby not existing but for the woman’s conscious action) she bears that responsibility.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Life came 1st, then the law? Yes?

          • SC Dave

            Awesome Butch. Keep on keeping on. #letgarydebate

          • Oh, and curious, why didn’t you like Mr. Clinton?

            In retrospect would you have voted for him?

          • SC Dave

            You go Ben. #letgarydebate

          • SC Dave

            That exact attitude is why we have clinton v trump

            EXACTLY WHY

          • SC Dave

            Fucking this. #letgarydebate

          • MB30SD

            : /

            Wake me when one becomes president Ben my maings

    • Sactowns#1

      Also, anyone that says they aren’t nervous when they see a cop is a special kind of person. Have one pull up behind you in your car or knock on your door at home. Would anyone’s first reaction be, “Oh I’m so glad this guy is here” ?

      • I read that Enlglish ppl who get pulled over get a crash course in Americana.

        Apparently, it’s custom in England to get out of your car and greet the officer pulling you over.

        Uhh, you can imagine what happens if they do that over here.

        Kinda culture do we live in?

        #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

      • beninnorcal

        I’ve never felt comfortable around the police, and I’m(mostly) a whitie.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Then tyranny is already here and by the looks of it, it’s here to stay. Citizens should never be afraid of the police. Ever!

          Eye opened a door for a rebuttle…any takers?

          See it? Lol Come on, who wants to dance?

          • willbest

            Don’t talk to the police. Even if you are innocent. Even if you have nothing to hide.

            This is long at 45 minutes but its pretty comprehensive on why

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Exactly. I agree 100%. Avoid consent above everything else.

          • madscout12

            You mean “eye”?

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol

          • SC Dave

            Did not listen, but the cops JOB is to arrest criminals

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Once upon a time before 1829, there was no police force. And as usual, it was the British that fucked it all up.

            http://vcp.e2bn.org/justice/page11377-the-development-of-a-police-force.html

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

             Once upon a time before 1829, there was no police force. And as usual, it was the British that fucked it all up.

            http://vcp.e2bn.org/justice/page11377-the-development-of-a-police-force.html

          • willbest

            The police aren’t really there to catch criminals they are to provide order to prevent lynching and burning people for witchcraft.

    • willbest

      Why would it be? The police do not uniquely single blacks out for murder. They are fairly evenhanded in their rate of street justice in terms of shooting by race vs. crime rate.

      Here is one of an 80 year old white guy killed in his own bed. There have been many others I have seen in the last couple years, but this one has stuck with me.

      http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/02/13/police-shoot-kill-80-year-old

      It really is All lives matter with respects to police violence.

      • Sactowns#1

        I would say this is one of those interesting things, the nexus between race and income. Rich black doctor probably doesn’t get shot.

        • BearDown100393

          Henry Louis Gates Jr might disagree.

          • Sactowns#1

            Perhaps. But the fact remains, the police and the govt as a whole treat you MUCH differently if you are wealthy. If the home was in Beverly Hills do you think they would have crashed the gates and stormed the house? I don’t.

          • BearDown100393

            Money talks.

          • SC Dave

            Yup. Ask OJ

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            OJ’s still got his golf game yo.

        • I don’t think so when it comes to blacks specifically.

          It’s more likely a cop seeing a young black man in a pimped out benz will think he’s a drug dealer than a doctor or trust fund baby.

          While with other races they likely won’t assume that.

          However, it might also depend on the area. If that same black man is cruising in his benz through beverly hills, cops probably won’t assume “drug lord” cuz of the local where there’s tons of rich everything driving around pimpmobiles.

          • SC Dave

            Depends whats on the sound system, i imagine. Playing hip-hop about killing cops likely way more problematic than, say, Norah Jones

      • Captain Obvious

        So why are blacks 2.5x more likely to be killed by police? This is statistics. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 26% of those killed by police.

        There doesn’t have to be overt racism involved. In our society, there is an unconscious bias against blacks. http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=2499&issue_id=102011

        Police are more likely to fire upon a dark-skinned person, regardless of what’s in their hand, than they are to fire on a white person.

        Saying “all lives matter” refutes the reality that black lives are being disproportionately ended by police — and that’s the heart of the phrase “black lives matter.” It’s not that ONLY black lives matter. It’s that black lives matter, too, dammit, so let’s stop the damn near weekly stories of another black person dying because a cop shot them without good reason.

        • willbest

          Blacks commit more crimes as a percentage of population.

          • So guilt by association is ok in your book?

            I’m no lawyer, but Isn’t that a fallacy?

            I thought you were logical.

          • willbest

            Don’t be a midwit.

            Your likelihood of being murdered by a police officer goes up with your likelihood of having a police encounter. Its unsurprising that most the people killed by police officers even when they are dubious shooting (or murder like betty) are committing a crime, and/or have criminal records, in high crime areas, or the police are responding to a criminal complaint by some witness.

            Incidentally, even Betty’s guy was committing a crime, and while she wasn’t the officer sent to deal with him, he caused her to detour from the domestic violence call she was on.

          • Maybe having a police encounter goes up because you’re black.

            The cops can find “probable” cause for anything if they wanted. For some reason, only black ppl act ‘suspiciously’ or ‘fit the profile’ of another crime.

            One black guy who got shot was pulled over cuz he had a wide nose since that fit the description of robber.

            But somehow, that doesn’t seem to bother you, or you seem to think that blacks aren’t targeted more or treated more aggressively by the police.

            At first I thought you were merely being adversarial, but maybe you’re obtuse, or worse, and I rarely ever hand out those adjectives.

          • willbest

            So politifact comes up with the breakdown. Blacks (including Hispanic blacks) commit 37% of violent crimes in 2012, Whites (including Hispanics) committed 60.1% of violent crimes in 2012. I will say the caveat on that is that such these are the cases where the perpetrator is known. Which doesn’t happen in all instances.

            http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

            I have also seen studies where police are less likely to use force against blacks than whites, but they are more likely to stop (aka harass) blacks than whites. I don’t recall where I ran across that but I will try looking for it over the weekend for you.

          • Sactowns#1

            Actually you’re confusing race with income. http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

          • SC Dave

            Probably more than 2.5x as likely as whites per capita, at least wrt violent crime

          • willbest

            Depends on the crime. you want to stick to violent crimes because possession offenses can be unevenly enforced, but the police will always go after murder, rape, assault and battery, robbery. And everybody can agree that these crimes are bad.

            Incidentally, I am not making a comment on why they commit more violent crimes. Just that they do. Which as I said elevates their level of police interactions

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      You caught a big one. Hee hee

      You’re stealing Oprah’s material which is where this story belongs.

      Speaking of Oprah, does she still even have a show? Is her ass still fat or did she lose weight again?

  • BearDown100393

    The Jacoby Era is in peril. Let’s see what Edelman can do.

  • Sactowns#1

    Seriously, could we trade NE Jay Cutler and a couple of 2nd round picks for Garoppolo? http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17620376/jacoby-brissett-new-england-patriots-suffered-thumb-injury-win-vs-houston-texans

    • AlbertInTucson

      Because “One bad thumb deserves another.”?

    • Cubsnlinux

      WTF? Why would NE do this? Cutler is injured and is out for at least one week. NE will get Brady back in one week. Why would NE do this?

      • BearDown100393

        Charity

      • Sactowns#1

        Jay will be back by next Sunday and they need a backup as both theirs are busted.

        • Cubsnlinux

          They don’t need a backup that expensive (in terms of trade chips). It’s not like Brady is coming from an injury.

      • I’m more worried about a winning organization (who obviously know something about QBing )deeming Cutler a career backup.

        • BerwynBomber

          If we part ways with him I wouldn’t be shocked if that happens. The two teams I could see wanting him as a potential starter — and hey it’s way early for this but here we are — are WAS or CLE. I would be inclined to throw LA in there but I gotta believe they’ll give Goff two years.

          Other than that? As a starter? Could be limited suitors.

    • BearDown100393

      Only if Belichick bumped his head.

      • willbest

        I don’t even think then.

    • SC Dave

      Belicheat would win three Super Bowls with Cutler

  • Captain Obvious
    • willbest

      doh, I am out of wapo for the remainder of the month.

      • Captain Obvious

        Incognito mode is your friend

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      That’s unbelievable! Lol

    • SC Dave

      Awesome!!

    • EnderWiggin

      Pizza delivering linebackin’ senator…

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Man…the “see”son is 2 weeks in and the blog has gone waaay off reservation already. Lol

    They’re gonna archive this seasons threads for the ages.

    • Think we already summed up the Bears

      Cargo Cutty
      Albino Lovie
      Birdcage

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Hahaha. It’s gonna be Katy bar the door in here.

      • Sactowns#1

        Don’t forget Pace the compulsive gambler.

  • I don’t know what crazy is anymore. I actually think the Bears are gonna win Sunday night. So I’m crazier than most – Jeff

    I actually agree. I think getting embarrassed on national TV will fire them up.

    Then again, I said that under Trestman after the Pats or some other team dropped 40 on them, and they folded like lawn chairs.

    • SC Dave

      As much as Ditka sucked as an x and o coach, we could use an ass kicker like him.

      Except half the pussies playing now would seek a ‘safe space’.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Hahaha

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      At Dallas in front of Jerra’s kids? Whoa…now that I’d lIke to see.

      Unfortunately, the perfect season will continue imo.

      Have the Bears ever gone winless? Shiver me timber…perish the thought.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Not burst any bubbles but…

      In 2014 the Patriots dismantled Nessman’s boys 51-27 in a game that wasn’t THAT close.

      They followed that “effort” with the 55-21 Sunday night spanking in Green Bay.

      And THAT was with a bye week sandwiched in between.

      • Yeah, that GB game I thought we’d def come out and fight.

        But, fuck. That was it.

      • TBC

        That game was 55-14, my kind sir.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          You’re a 3 letter guy huh? Alphabet brigade?

      • AlbertInTucson

        Corrections 2014: NE 51-23. GB 55-14.

        Mis-read some stat columns in Pro-Football Reference.

        In the end, the exact scores are meaningless.

        I believe they are the worst back-to-back beatings in team history.

        We’re not staring at back-to-back 50-burgers to digest but, I will believe the “bounce back” theory only when I see it.

    • Johnnywad

      I hope to God they win. In fact last Sunday afternoon, you know, pre D Day Monday Night, I accepted a 6 pack bet for the Sunday nighter, with my buddy that happens to be a Cowboys fan. Then half the defense left the game, Cutler fucked his thumb up, and the Bears played a brutal game. Wish I could get that one back.

      That said, they didn’t get their shit pushed in because they didn’t care that time. They seem to care plenty. They just can’t block anything up, and Dowell Loggains is apparently full fucking retard. I want like crazy for the Bears to win, but damned if I can find a real reason to assume things will be any better than they were Monday. There will be guys starting on the D that likely belong on a practice squad. Oh an there’s also Brian Hoyer………. Fuck.

    • BerwynBomber

      Not to defend that indefensible ’14 squad but eight of our eleven losses that year were to playoff teams, and our four biggest national embarrassments occurred at the hands of three HoF QBs (Brady, Rodgers, and Brees) and a very good QB in Romo.

      But yeah, it was a whole lot of ugly that year. Trestman was never cut out to lead a team. He might have been okay as an OC — in fact, our ’13 O output may have evidenced that — but his HC ceiling was the CFL. And Emery, of course, was a twit.

  • BearDown100393
  • MB30SD

    Watching Charlie Brown with my kids.

    My god what a headcase… kid needs some serious prozac… and a good ass kicking.

    Ih and Lucy’s a mean little cunt. Smh

    • PaceBot 2000

      not a fan bro. I’m watching old school scooby doo with the kids and drinking homemade cold brewed iced coffee. Everybody is calm….for now.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Powerpuff girls and Monster High.

        I want to meet the people who write this shit and see how dizzy and whacked out and mindless you have to be to write that shit.

        • MB30SD

          It’s all just…. turrible.

          I let them watch spongebob once in a while cause it’s mindless but goofy funny not abjectly brutal like a lot of the others

          • Irish Sweetness

            An ant documentary on leaf-cutters blew their minds. It’s shocking how destructive they are to plant-life, until you remember you’re a human.

          • MB30SD

            Yep.

            I took the ex to Botswana when we were together. When we arrived in camp there was an elephant right by our tent… he came there often i guess. And he came back every day.

            Anyway, when we arrived our tent was cloaked in trees, brush, and foliage… felt like we were in a secluded forest getaway.

            Three days later when we left it looked like an abomb went off and all the trees and brush had been totally cleared down to nubs. The thing must have eaten a metric ton of vegetation in 3 days. It was amazing. Love elephants, they’re incredible animals.

      • MB30SD

        Nice! Mine love the roadrunner, but i won’t let them watch much, that shit’s so violent.

        I turn on animal planet or nat geo, they used to complain and whine cause they wanted mindless shit, now they love it

      • AlbertInTucson

        One Froggy Evening.

        THE best, ever.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Charles M. Schultz had an unhappy childhood and, despite the success of PEANUTS, I do not believe was ever really a happy guy.

      • MB30SD

        Yikes

        • AlbertInTucson

          Schultz WAS Charlie Brown.

          Even when he signed off the strip, he couldn’t let Charlie kick the damn football even 1 time.

          • MB30SD

            Kinda sad

          • AlbertInTucson

            The CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS is kind of a microcosm of the strip thru the years. Linus is the only friend who TREATS him like a friend on a regular basis. Even Snoopy often plays Charlie for a fool.

            A lot of religious based suffering psyche behind that comic.

            Calvin And Hobbes was far superior, funnier and much more optimistic.

          • BerwynBomber

            But isn’t that an argument for Peanuts being superior? It was deeper, darker, with more characters, and was more thought-provoking?

            Sorry, was never much of a comics guy. Just playing devil’s advocate before the college games start. But I have heard Peanuts spoken of as something that went beyond mere comics.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Deeper, darker…”

            Depressing.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, no. Like al says, it’s just depressing, negative, meanspirited and hopeless… all the characters… or most of them. I’ve actually decided not to let my kids watch that shit anymore because there are zero good lessons, just brutal sadness and meanspiritedess. Cb sucks.

          • MB30SD

            Beyond depressing, yes

          • Irish Sweetness

            The angst of Ren & Stimpy …

          • MB30SD

            Ren and stimpy was in another fucking universe. Brilliant heroin fuelled amazingness

          • BearDown100393

            #Barth

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Being born in Minneapolis, MN will do that to you.

        #drinkmorewater

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  • PaceBot 2000

    I have a feeling that Cutler being out will force Birdcage to run the type of offense we should have the whole time, short quick throws to stud athlete WR’s, the use of Unrein in short yardage or at least Lasike, more Miller on short throws, tosses to the outside for Langford, maybe some 2 RB backfields, etc.

    That would be really frustrating because we could have done it with Cutler at QB and he’d still be playing and we would have won at least one of our first two but what the fuck do I know. God, fuck you Birdcage.

    Maybe he’ll just drop him straight back and let Leno and Massie be Leno and Massie.

    • CanadaBear

      They cut Lasike.

      • PaceBot 2000

        they gave him one carry and he had a key first down. Blocked pretty well on another TD. Now they had better use Unrein or at least use the Carey/Langford or Howard/Langford backfield so the D doesn’t know exactly what’s coming. WTF , this can’t be that hard to figure out.

        • CanadaBear

          Nathan Lane might end up with the same rep in Chicago as John Shoop. Not good.

          • PaceBot 2000

            It just feels like it’s so hard to complete a pass or get momentum. I watched the games again and it’s obvious that we are suspect on the edges and the pocket DOES NOT hold up for Cutler to climb it at all. Teams are going right up the middle on the rookie and a hurt Long. Our line acts like they have literally never seen a D line stunt before.

            I don’t even think we ran ONE fucking bootleg or quick playaction. We run these long drawn out naked bootlegs where Cutler is forced to turn his back and when he turns around a defender is INSIDE of his asshole.

            Run a quick playaction and then get the ball out quick, run a bootleg where Cutler rolls to his right in case he has to dump it off to the RB or TE/Slot WR immediately, what the fuck.

          • willbest

            I had figured the middle three weren’t doing that good of a job, its just relative to the edge they were pro-bowl performances. Cutter still holds onto the ball too damn long. That strip fumble was on him, he had the option of getting rid of it but he was in “I have to make a play mode”

          • PaceBot 2000

            yes, he was in streetball mode because he had to be. He’s playing the hand he’s dealt with the OC he’s inherited. Calling for him to be traded is insane. I almost want a rookie to be in there just so people could see the EPIC carnage.

            He should have just run it for a few yards and slid.

          • willbest

            But are you saying street-Cutler is by design? Because Hoyer completed his first 8 or 9 passes.

          • PaceBot 2000

            did you see how fast the ball was coming out and the shorter routes? They stopped doing the deep drop back. I’m saying they could have done that with Cutler and avoided the issues in the first 2 games and he’d still be healthy.

            And i don’t want to hear “Cutler doesn’t get the ball out fast” as i have literally seen him throw a pass to Earl Bennett or Greg Olsen AS he was receiving the snap…and still got hit.

          • willbest

            I mean its possible Birdcage despite working with Gase all last year didn’t know what you can and can’t do with the guy.

          • PaceBot 2000

            with the LINE man , the line. Cutler can do anything. No one can do it consistently while getting hit/pressured

          • willbest

            If Long weren’t a gimp I would be screaming bloody murder to have him back at tackle.

          • PaceBot 2000

            my issue is that they KNOW they have certain limitations and yet they don’t gameplan around them or exploit their strengths. That’s bad fucking coaching.

            Did you see the corners getting super fucking aggressive on our short routes? Did you see one route to set up that cornerback to jump the route and get burned by a double move? No. One reason is because there is barely any time, the second is because our OC is a broadway actor.

            And i’m not talking about super bomb hail mary double moves, i’m talking about faking a bubble screen and then just hitting the WR further up the sideline and underneath the safety.

          • SC Dave

            A little patience may be in order. The line is new.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agreed. The only ones I worry about right now are Massie and Long. Long because he is injured. Massie because he might just suck.

            Sitton and Whitehair are new and Leno played well enough last year that hitting the panic button on him after two games seems a bit drastic.

          • PaceBot 2000

            We can game plan around the line while they improve. Loggins is not doing that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This has been evident since the pre-season. Hall and Glenn are our two best corners. Porter’s good but he’s not fast. It’s just a shame our top three safeties are missing.

          • SC Dave

            And it would still be a bad idea.

          • PaceBot 2000

            and all of this is a moot point unless you can get at least 3.5 yds on 1st down runs. This 1yd bullshit has to stop.

          • SC Dave

            70% of Bears first down plays have gone over 4 yards. 70%, highest in the NFL.

          • PaceBot 2000

            That’s not good. That is actually brutal.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            But wouldn’t that have wasted Cutty’s skill set? What a bunch of bozo’s. Can we put an eye in the sky over the pats training facilty? How can an offense be so inept?

          • PaceBot 2000

            You can do both. You don’t need a 5 step drop on 3rd and 2. They can run short routes to ease the pressure on him in the pocket. You can get the ball into your playmakers hands to make the D be perfect. You can play to your strengths and still take chances when it’s called for.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think on offense, if you’re passing on third and 2, you’ve failed to build an offense worth a shit. The base common denominator for all offenses should be the ability to get two yards on the ground.

          • SC Dave

            That was 200 sacks ago.

            Not that I’m excusing not trying.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Again, he was completing underneath stuff against a prevent defense. That’s just taking the simple stuff that the defense is giving you. He is not a good QB because he completed 9 in a row to open receivers contained by the defense. Dallas are not a good defense either so he may even ‘appear’ to do well against them.

          • CanadaBear

            Every year they talk about getting Jay on the move. Every year they fail to do it. Not unlike drafting QB’s. I’ve been really surprised how bad Nathan Lane is.

          • Big Mike

            Need to move the pocket with Cutler.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Another reason we need to get one of those big mobile QBs. Cutty’s not getting any younger and he just doesn’t extend plays the way a Wilson/Newton can.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I agree. OCs are out-thinking themselves. Keep offense to a simple set of formations. Basic trees of run and pass plays. A third of your run plays traps/counters etc. Misdirection everywhere.A third of your pass plays are playaction rollouts etc. Keep it simple. That way a balanced approach emerges, and your players aren’t bewildered by the calls.

            They just over-think this stuff

          • PaceBot 2000

            i would actually take John Shoop at this point because he’s at least get the ball to the WR’s immediately even if just on bubble screens.

          • CanadaBear

            The run and Shoop.

          • Big Mike

            Shoop was incompetent. he was never an NFL OC again after his time in Chicago. He’s bounced around as an OC in College

          • PaceBot 2000

            I know Mike, that’s how unimpressed I am with Loggins. Me and Tommy Thayer apparently.

  • MB30SD

    Btw, you guys know that cutty lobbied to have largeanus as our OC right?

  • beninnorcal

    How long is Cutler out? Do we know?

    • willbest

      He is going to play a week from tomorrow. He was trying to play tomorrow and they shut him down.

    • CanadaBear

      Everything I’ve read is he wants to play now but everyone is saying 2-3 weeks. If Hoyer is good tomorrow night Cutler will have time to recover. If Hoyer is awful, Jay will be back pronto.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        You think? It’s up to the medical staff don’t you know?

  • willbest

    Going to have to agree with Jeff on liking the early games. I don’t care the Bears play a national televised game or not, but SNF blows because it is never my first football game of the day. And its much easier to get football fatigue when the game isn’t interesting which could mean sloppy, or flag happy even if the score is competitive.

    • BerwynBomber

      I like SNF. It’s a pretty solid product and often seems to provide competitive marquee games.
      Collingsworth isn’t my fave #1 analyst and Dungy is simply dead weight, but all in all, it seems to work and has taken the place of the old MNF (of ABC days) in terms of popularity.

      • CanadaBear

        I’ve always liked Al Michaels and Collinsworth doesn’t bother me too much unless he’s on some rant and on his high horse. Dungy adds absolutely nothing. Same with Peter King and Mike Florio. Seems like the games are usually pretty good.

        • SC Dave

          You misspelled Collinsworthless.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Don’t be knocking Collinsworth. He is a FUTURE HOFer!

        • BerwynBomber

          I don’t mind Florio. They have him on once a week for a short spell on the radio here and he comes off as a bright guy on league issue stuff. Informed and informative.

          • CanadaBear

            I just see him on there with PK and it strikes me as NFL TMZ.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      You, me and almost all fans who don’t work or go to church on Sunday’s.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I enjoy SNF but I LOVE games kicking off at 10am here in AZ, too. Too bad it moves to 11am when the rest of the country falls back to standard time

      • willbest

        Not a fan of DST.

  • willbest

    Jay made the flight. Seems right to me. A finger isn’t a massive inconvenience to move around on like a knee or ankle. Support the team, maybe push defender after a screw up.

    • BearDown100393

      He can battle McPhee on the sideline in a challenge of ultimate cheerleader.

  • SC Dave

    Goddamnit we need a new thread

  • Cubsnlinux

    Leonard Fournete..LSU RB looks good. Speed and size

    • SC Dave

      Speaking of looking good… Michigan.

      But, fuck them.

      Or is that, butt-fuck them?

      • SC Dave

        Tho at least it aint a bye week like the Crimson Tide

      • MB30SD

        Jimmy gonna have em in the big game. That’s his mo.

        2 years to success. Good for him.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Good for him. When’s it gonna be our turn?

          • MB30SD

            He should come home after Michigan’s had enough of him in 2 yrs

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Dude, sign me up for that. It’s gonna happen!

          • MB30SD

            Yeah man, I’ll take some playoffs and a SB run or two in exchange for the crazy. Totally down with that

  • SC Dave

    Spartans raise three fists for anthem.

    Wisconsin kicks their asses big time.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Not a bad little jingle. Something I would have had on the reel to reel back in the day. Aah, the memories.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNUfh71sPvs

  • BerwynBomber
    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Yeah man. I’ve been rippin the Bears because they really pissed me off but in all honesty, we gotta wait till week 5 or 6 before we really no what we got.

      • BerwynBomber

        Agreed but the only guy returning who missed the first two weeks that will make a difference is McPhee. The Trevathan injury is obviously big but, as a team, we still looked crappy with him on the field (though I think it was much more on the O than the D).

        A healthy Long would make a big difference too but we will have to wait until the off-season.

        • SC Dave

          Better Trevathan out than Freeman, since Jarrell is our best linebacker.

          • MB30SD

            He’s a fucking badass

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog Cutler making trip to Dallas actually surprised me. Starting to wonder if he doesn’t spend the next 24 hours fighting to get on the field.”

    Not a surprise. A sprained thumb is not that serious of an injury — torn ligaments are another matter — and he has already played with it. My guess is we see him against DET. Unless Hoyer plays well and we win. Then Fox may go with the hot hand until it cools. It looks like that type of year. Whatever works.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball
  • BearDown100393

    Hopefully everyone got off the plane without being injured.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    “I will never forget Payton Manning’s career. Sadly, he will.” -David Spade, during the Roast of Rob Lowe.

    • BearDown100393

      A 3rd rate comedian at a pervert’s roast.
      Awesome.

    • CanadaBear

      Ann Coulter took a shit kicking at that roast. When she played the sympathy card the audience doubled down on her. It makes me laugh when some toxic POS like her gets what she’s been giving and then starts to whine about it.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Da Bears Blog

    “So much negativity surrounding Bears. Crappy or not they have a chance
    to beat “America’s Team” in front of America tomorrow night.”

    Hahahahaha

    Uh, “America’s Team” NO! Did Jeff just wake up from a 20 year slumber?

    • Irish Sweetness

      There’s a chance we win all right. A really really slim one.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        If we win, I’ll gouge out my other eyeball.

  • BerwynBomber

    MIN/CAR should be a slugfest tomorrow. PHI/PIT will also be interesting.

  • EnderWiggin

    A bunch of ya seem to prefer 12:00 games for various reasons. I’ve grown to love Bears in prime time. The reason: Red Zone.

    We are always praising our favorite commentator(Simms/Nantz), and sending death threats to Aikman and Buck. But remember Scott M’F’in Hanson has everyone of those team-hopping bastards beat by 100 yards! The dude not only knows how to pronounce every player;s name in the league, he has an uncanny ability to color 3 or 4 games at once while keeping it understandable and entertaining. No other commentator even comes close to the amount of film study Hanson puts in, and it is not even close.

    Red Zone is by far the best thing to happen to the NFL since Tampa left the Central Division.

    • BerwynBomber

      I never understood the Aikman/Buck hate nor the Simms/Nantz love. What I can’t stand is when they give us some fifth string announcing team disaster, like David Diehl, a couple of years back. Painful.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Mich. State players emulate raised-fist protest in NFL”

    Then get their butts kicked by Wisconsin.

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