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Can Jay Cutler Become The Next Carson Palmer?

| June 8th, 2016

BearsADVMain

It’s the time of the season when major media outlets waste time and space by ranking players. And Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer is regularly ranked amongst the best quarterbacks in the NFL, despite not even being on the radar two years ago.

Which begs the question: Can Jay Cutler do the same?

The question isn’t can Cutler be as good as Palmer. I’d argue he currently is and always has been the betteir player. Even after Palmer’s last two monster seasons, they’re comparable statistically. The consensus amongst mainstream media members, however, appears to be that at 36 years old with a number of major knee surgeries and a brief retirement, Palmer is somehow better than he used to be.

Before the last two seasons, Palmer was seen as a big-armed quarterback who tended to turn the ball over more than he should. Sound familiar? Palmer spent seven years with those Bengals, completing 62.9 percent of his passes with 154 touchdowns, 100 interceptions and an average of 7.1 yards per attempt. His team went 46-51 in his 97 starts. Cutler has started the exact same number of games for the Bears with the Bears going 50-47 while he has completed 61.9 percent of his passes with 150 touchdowns, 104 interceptions and 7.1 yards per attempt.

Palmer’s next two seasons in Oakland were nothing to write home about. He was rushed into action in 2011, throwing 13 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. In 2012 he had a solid season, topping 4,000 yards with 22 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. That wasn’t good enough to keep his job, however, as the Raiders shipped him to Arizona.

Palmer tossed 22 interceptions (3.8 percent of his passes, higher than Cutler has ever had in his career) in his first year with the Cardinals before suddenly taking off, throwing 46 touchdowns and 14 interceptions the next two seasons?

The biggest change for Palmer has been the development of his supporting cast. His first year with Bruce Arians resulted in a ton of interceptions, but once Michael Floyd and John Brown developed into good compliments for Larry Fitzgerald and their line became capable, Palmer and the Cardinals were unstoppable. Arians’ aggressive style works well when he has good players.

There’s no reason to think the same couldn’t happen for the Bears.

The first thing that helped Palmer was teaming up with Arians, a coach whose philosophy fit his talents. The Bears could have that with Dowell Loggains, who is thought to be aggressive like his mentor Mike Heimerdinger. If Loggains can add some aggressive wrinkles to what Adam Gase laid the foundation for, we could see an offense that fits Cutler perfectly.

As with Palmer, the biggest thing is going to be supporting cast, which looks good going forward, at least on paper. Alshon Jeffery is going to be with the team for at least next year. By all accounts, Kevin White is going to be a star and Eddie Royal is one of the better slot receivers in the game.

The Bears still have a major question along their offensive line. We have no idea if their left tackle, left guard or center are good. We also don’t know if Zach Miller can stay healthy or if the Bears will be able to run the ball next year without Matt Forte. If even two of those three questions turn out in the Bears favor, their offense could go from mediocre to elite in one offseason.

Whether that means Cutler will be thought of the same way Palmer is, however, might be a different story. There are going to be some people who hate Cutler just to hate him. Almost all of them are the same people who forgot about when Palmer literally quit the Bengals before the 2011 season. There is and will always be a double standard when it comes to Cutler.

Ultimately, who cares about how players are ranked? If the Bears can get their offensive line and running game sorted, they should have a very productive quarterback and offense. With that should come team success. Those who still want to dislike Cutler will still do so, but nobody will care as long as the Bears win.

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  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    First. yippee!

  • Bender McLugh

    Just win baby

  • Bender McLugh

    Nice article, Andrew. It’s absolutely fair to say there are 3 question marks on the O-line. However, I agree with the many that have said the O-line will be a force in run game this season and the only question is if Cutty will have enough protection. Even if he doesn’t, I can still see 3-4 wins purely from the run game and defense.

  • Big Mike

    Cutler is in the same group as Palmer, Flacco and so on. Big knock is lack of playoff wins. Hardly his fault.

    • MB30SD

      I’ve never seen him put in that group by any of the “experts”, he’s always one or even two groups below.

      He’s gotta stay healthy, have the same kind of td/int ratio as last year (if not better) and get us into at least the second round for any perceptions to even start changing mike

      • Big Mike

        Just my opinion. I watch a lot of football. Cutler does things that those guys can’t. He stays alive in the pocket, extends plays, is more mobile. You drop him into those other teams, I swear, he’d do better than they did.

        You’re right. Perception won’t change unless he strings together a few years like last year AND takes us beyond a one and done.

        • BearDown100393

          Just curious but how many starting quarterbacks in recent memory have gone through as many OCs as Cutler?

          • Big Mike

            Cutler’s fault? Lovie treated offense like a disease. Only decent OC was Martz and he was always a bad match for Cutler. Still they were productive. Trestman? How is that pos Cutler’s fault? Adam Gase, how is that Cutler’s fault?

          • Martz wasn’t so much a bad match for Cutler as he was a bad match for the rest of Chicago’s offensive personnel, especially the OL. His system required a great OL, because it frequently called for just 5 blockers buying the QB a lot of time.

          • Big Mike

            Jay didn’t like having the audibles and reads taken away from him. Personnel was disastrous fit. That’s on Lovie.

          • CanadaBear

            You never mentioned the best of the bunch, Tice! Gotta give him credit, he named his offense properly. The DUH offense. Indeed! Cutler is far from blameless for some of his rep. He was immature when he arrived and like her or not, he has matured greatly with marriage/fatherhood. I think he was always a decent guy just immature and entitled. Oh well. There are a lot of things worse than that.

          • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

            your football erudition is monsterous

          • BearDown100393

            No blame was assessed. Simple statement that a lot of different individuals have had the OC job. And that cannot make things easy for the QB.

          • Big Mike

            I’m so accustomed hearing nonsense about Cutler, that I’ve gotten paranoid.

          • BearDown100393

            LOL, we’re good.

        • EvanHOFriguez

          You are so confident, but he had Marshall, Bennett, Forte in his prime and a new Alshon….still didn’t. What do those teams have better than this list? Even less.

          • Big Mike

            When Cutler had that he was on teams whose defense was giving up 50pts in back to back weeks. Worst defenses in the NFL and worst of all time for Bears. It’s just never lined up for this guy. Great defense, no weapons/line. Good weapons, ok line, no defense.

        • MB30SD

          Agree with you, was just Laying out what I always see mime.

      • Artoo

        Damn. That’s exactly how I feel.

        He’s never been close to Flacco or Palmer level, in my opinion.

        • MB30SD

          Stop with that… I wasn’t going negative. I just said what the talking idiots say. I don’t listen to those tools.

    • EvanHOFriguez

      Nope….

  • Scharfinator

    Seems like an odd comparison to say how well Palmer works in Arian’s aggressive offense while we know Fox likes to be a run heavy offense. Maybe Loggains will be willing to take shots, but that’s always been the knock on Cutler – he takes shots he doesn’t need to and makes bad plays that mar otherwise good to brilliant performances.

  • Irish Sweetness

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    • MB30SD

      I think you have it upside down mate

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  • “I’d argue (Cutler) currently is and always has been the better player”

    We’ll agree to disagree there. Palmer in his really early days in Cinci (pre-injury) was on track to be a Big Ben-level QB, which is definitely better than Cutler. That injury really fucked things up for him.

    Since the injury, which was before Cutler was in the NFL, I’d agree Cutler has, by and large, been the better player.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      Palmer completes a lot of deep balls and always has. Despite Cutlers huge arm, he doesn’t. When he came here i figured it would be bomb after bomb but that has certainly not been the case. In my opinion he’s not accurate on the deep balls. Or hasn’t been until now. Woody post some stats on this if you have it handy.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      Nah, there really wasn’t much of a difference the year after he tore his knee. But also safe to say he had a significantly better supporting cast with one of the best OL, WRs and RB in the league at that time.

  • “If even two of those three questions turn out in the Bears favor, their offense could go from mediocre to elite in one offseason.”

    Woah woah woah. Let’s slow down here.

    Their offense was mediocre the last 2 years. And they lost their 3 best skill position players over that time (2 of them this offseason).

    They need some of those questions to work out in their favor to tread water at mediocre. I’m hoping for a step up to average.

    The winning formula for the Bears, should they be able to consistently win games this year, will likely be average offense and good defense.

    • BearDown100393

      Cannot overlook yet another new offensive coordinator in charge.

      • This is a bit different, IMO, because it’s the same offense. Promotion from within. It’s John Fox’s offense (which is why the idea of this suddenly becoming a deep-strike attack like Arizona’s is not likely, IMO).

        Power running game, ball control. Win with your defense, your offense plays complementary football.

        • BearDown100393

          I dunno…. I suppose it is and isn’t. All reports seemed to indicate he had a decent relationship with Gase. So there’s that intangible. In the past 2 seasons, the offense has lost Marshall, Bennett and Forte. The new guys are a bit of unproven commodity. Time will tell how this offense develops throughout the season.

          • Big Mike

            And added White, Royal and Langsford. I love Matt Forte, but I think Langsford will put up better numbers this year. Jeffery, White, has the potential to be a better 1-2 punch than Marshall, Jeffery because of their different styles. Marshall and Jeffery were two of the same thing. Bennet.. that’s the guy I hated to lose.

            Optimistic, yes. Unrealistic, I don’t think so. Also, it won’t matter if defense improves like it projects to.

          • EvanHOFriguez

            Forte had 100 receptions 2 years ago. They seemed to have replaced that with Langford last year. Langford will have to double his production, and keep the efficiency to out do Forte. Unless they plan on using Carey a whole lot more.

          • Big Mike

            Those 100 receptions represent failure to me. Inability to run the ball, inability to throw the ball to a WR, inability of Trestman to react to defensive adjustments, and just plain fuckery by the Bears.

          • EvanHOFriguez

            A failure of the offensive scheme. What Forte did was astonishing! Might not be another back that can do what he did. Its good they started to phase Langford in though, keep from overwhelming him.

          • Big Mike

            his number of targets was too many. Dump off passes, 5 yard passes in the flat, The thought of 3rd and 12 and throwing a swing pass to your back, gives me nightmares. With a grown up offense Forte catches 70 balls that year. I love Matt Forte.But that stat is like having a safety break a record for tackles.

          • EvanHOFriguez

            He gave us that chance though, and the D knew the Bears couldn’t do it running. So they brought everyone back. I mostly blame Cutlers accuracy. If better he could have found a way to get the ball to someone on those. That or Cutler was just being told dumping it off is safer than trying for a long pass.

          • Big Mike

            Cutler’s accuracy s fine. Those other receivers weren’t open, teams knew nobody could get behind them, bears were weak running the ball and Trestman was outmaneuvered. So trestman called those swing passes and screens. Forte did what he could with them. But 100 receptions by a RB says that is 30 times you should have gone to a WR.

          • EvanHOFriguez

            Oh yeah not arguing that. Just that its under appreciated what he did do, and not many others could. Langford also did worse than Forte in running too. Forte will be hard to replace….as I fear, almost unreplaceable.

            And thats not to say letting him go was a mistake, just time doing time things.

          • Big Mike

            Here’s some info. In games where he ran the ball more than 10 times, his yards per carry jumps from 3.6 to 3.8 . Looking at this closely you’ll see one of those games was against Denver, where he only had 1.9 yards per carry. Here’s the issue with that game. First it was the best defense in the league. Well every back has to face good defenses. But his sample size of carries is so small, it has an outsized impact. More to the point, the Bears receiving corp that day was Wilson, Bellamy, Mariani and Meredith. True Bennet was in, but he was hurt, he didnt’ play the next week and caught only 3 more balls the rest of the year.

            Taking the Denver game out of the equation, his YPC is 4.0.

          • SC Dave

            It’s easyh to cherry pick stats. Forte was considerably better than Langford, and that’s all there is to it. But (regrettably) Forte is now Bear history.

            The greater fear I have with Langford, et. al., is that turnovers will go up. Forte’s ability to hold onto the football was nothing short of astonishing.

          • True. Constipated Cutty.

            Dump it off for 3 yards when we need 5.

            In retrospect, think he might have done that in protest.

    • Big Mike

      What if you think Langsford will have a better season than Forte, Jeffery/White is better than Marshall/Jeffery, Royal, Wilson, Mariani, etc are better than the practice squad wideouts. Losing Bennet was the worst. Line has the potential to be better as well. So there you go.

      • expecting Langford to upgrade Forte is a monstrous presumption. Same with White/Marshall. Marshall and Forte are two of the best in the NFL at their positions.

        • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

          monsterous is one of those data words

        • Big Mike

          Forte’s going to hit the wall. Langsford is a stud. We’ll see. I’m optimistic. Part of being a fan. I’m not saying White is better than Marshall. I’m saying White combined with Jeffery is (could be) better than Marshall and Jeffery. Neither Jeffery or Marshall can stretch the field. They are both excellent at the same things. BTW, Bears need to pay Jeffery.

          • EvanHOFriguez

            Jeffery needs to come back down to earth! That or he can go get paid from a bottom 5 team.

          • I agree Forte will hit the wall. But he hadn’t yet with the Bears.

            I think letting Forte walk was absolutely the smart move. One way or another, they were going to lose his top-notch production.

          • SC Dave

            Pure speculation on both counts w.r.t RB. And you’re exactly right, we will see.

            Honestly, I hope both do well.

          • Big Mike

            No shit. Everything about the off season is speculation.

        • Sactowns#1

          This!

    • chitownproud85

      This article, and many of the comments below it, continue to lead me down one particular train of thought – my fellow Bear fans are nuttier than squirrel shit. Save us, JWood, you’re the only hope for the reasonable among us.

      • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

        get wreked data

      • Sactowns#1

        Seriously. J please post an article on another site and post it to your twitter feed. The twatnado is sure to follow you and leave our fare corner of the interwebs alone.

        • chitownproud85

          <3 <3 <3

    • MB30SD

      I hate you for bringing these fucking mouth breathing clowns to the blog data, they are so fucking brutal.

      But I cain’t quit you maings

      • Sorry. Didn’t realize they still cared enough to troll me. Haven’t interacted with any of them in about a year.

        • MB30SD

          I was kidding my man. Not your fault. Bit of an interesting situation though given that you’re a very intelligent guy and they are mental 3 yr olds.

          My god , what a waste of fucking air.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      IDK, they were 10th in DVOA last year with a horrendous OL and bad WR play due to injuries. If they have a good OL, good running game and healthy WRs, there’s no reason to think they won’t score a lot of points.

  • BearDown100393

    Since his significant injury, Palmer has developed the almighty intangible: awareness. Read in that what you may.

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      He hangs out with Jared Allen and Doctor Strange?

  • You’re about to get Jericho’d

    Cutler is simply not allowed to throw INT’s. Other QB’s??? They can toss them up with impunity, they can fumble, they can bitch, they can complain, they can quit their teams, whatever. There is a double standard when it comes to virtually every aspect of how Cutler is compared to his peers.

    Analysts trip over themselves to point out why certain QB’s may not be performing a certain way such as injuries to the OL to WR’s,etc. Cutler has played with such an average group overall in his entire tenure as a Bear. The OL, WR and scheme are all actually being addressed at the same time this year!!! Oh happy day, we may actually be turning into an NFL franchise.

    Cutler will be fine. Health is key and with even an average D the landscape is completely different. It all impacts each other.

    • Scharfinator

      If Cutler can replicate last year, I imagine we will go a bit further – considering our upgrades on Defense.

      I hope

      • Big Mike

        special teams should be better as well.

        • Scharfinator

          Good point! As long as the overall roster improves, we should see the ST guys get better too.

    • EvanHOFriguez

      We don’t want Cutler to take chances. We need him to make smart decisions, we need our weapons to give us options that are likely to work out, and a scheme that utilizes the players correctly.

    • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

      jericho man you need to stfu, cuntler is raw fish

      • you suck your uncle with that mouth?

        • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

          just your mom

          • you suck your uncle with my mom?

          • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

            is that a picture of your face?

          • hold tight, cowboy. we were talking about you sucking your uncle with my mom. don’t change the topic until we get the full story sorted out.

          • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

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    • Irish Sweetness

      He was by far the most improved player in football last season, it was night and day. The penny just dropped for the lad, that’s all. He always had the skills, just played way too cocky. With a running game, a healthy AJ and KW, and a solid defense … he’s bound to have a career year this season

  • AlbertInTucson

    “There is and will always be a double standard when it comes to Cutler.”

    I agree.

    • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

      twat cutler oh my god who thinks that he will even make it this season no way i give it until week four until he is screaming at people and pouting on the sidelines we should have drafted a qb and so stupid pox

  • ThatBearzGuy

    Big Bears fan, but there’s no way Cutler is or has been at the same level of Palmer. We can debate the reasons why, but he has not produced at the level of Palmer.

    • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

      your point is so excellent

      • ThatBearzGuy

        Thanks. I think.

        • Scharfinator

          It’s a troll, don’t feed him. 🙂

          • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

            a truthsayer is not a troll

    • Irish Sweetness

      He hasn’t had Palmer’s defense or receivers. When old man Palmer is up against quality defenses he can’t hack it. 67 rating post-season last year..

      • He was hurt. Thumb injury that impacted his grip on the ball.

        He played really well last season, including 4 games against STL and SEA, where he had 7 TD/3 INT.

  • sgunderson17

    Woa woa woa… You guys actually WANT Cutler to be like Palmer?
    lol that’s depressing

    • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

      fuck yeah bro

  • Weenie_McPeenie

    HAHA This being a best case scenario after all this time is remarkably sad

    • ThatBearzGuy

      Why? Many teams have shown you can win a title with a game manager and decent defense. If Pace and Fox can turn the defense around, why can’t Cutler just be “good enough?”

      • Weenie_McPeenie

        People have been asking why cant cutler be just good enough for like 6yrs now

        • ThatBearzGuy

          He is just good enough. The Bears need to play better around him.

          • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

            no way

          • EvanHOFriguez

            I would argue hes just good enough to not bother finding the replacement. That also happens to not be good enough to make it all the way. Probably only ~8 QB’s that can do it without a very very good defense.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You guys weren’t watching football last season, Cutler was phenomenal.

        • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

          cuntler is sad and our job is to tell it straight bro

      • EvanHOFriguez

        Cutler is not a game manager. Name the last team to win a ‘Chip with a game manager and only a decent defense. Seattle had an amazing defense. Denver had an amazing defense. Flacco is more than a game manager, and not nearly the liability.

    • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

      it is so sad and your avatar wrekz! love you love your show

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    I know how the Stanford victim felt

    • Scharfinator

      Is this deep, cathartic admission of something in your past? Real life? Or 6/6/16>

    • AlbertInTucson

      Judge from Stanford passes slap-on-the-wrist rape sentence on Swim Star from Stanford.

      Nothing suspicious THERE.

      • CanadaBear

        The victim’s statement was amazing.

  • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

    now that i think about it Jordan Palmer was probably better than cuntler

  • ThatBearzGuy

    Not very optimistic about Langford. He saw significant snaps last year and didn’t produce much.

    • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

      i bet starks rushes for more yards

      • EvanHOFriguez

        You think lacy fallin flat on his ass?

        • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

          his fat out of shape ass

          • EvanHOFriguez

            Gonna be too skinny now. Skinny with no speed…

          • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

            up here in Muskegon we know this is the breakout year for Abdullah. gonna wrek with him in ff league

          • EvanHOFriguez

            Not without CJ! Gonna have 8 in the box erry damn down! Marvin Jones ain’t no answer.

          • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

            Theo Riddick is the answer, believe it bro

          • EvanHOFriguez

            A running back is your answer at WR? Why has no one else thought of this yet….

          • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

            he plays the slot and does kr bro

          • EvanHOFriguez

            I see, a 5’9″ RB playing the slot instead of your best WR playing his preferred slot, is the answer at WR. Hmm, Lions always ahead of the curve.

          • Brotastic MI Bear Fan

            cj is not coming back but the lions will still dominate the bears this year and next

      • ThatBearzGuy

        Whose starks?

        • Irish Sweetness

          The guy Angelo had on the top of his draft board and then drafted Dan Le Fevour instead.

    • Big Mike

      If you dissect his sample of snaps to include only games the Beats fielded an nfl offense, they look very different. I’ll have to find the post. The point of it was that he was playing in games where Bennet, Jeffery, Royal, Wilson, and or cutler were out.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      I don’t mind the production of 6 rushing TDs on 148 carries. not too shabby.

    • MB30SD

      Dude, wha??

    • Irish Sweetness

      We’ve got Perry, Carey and Mr. Howard. Good to go!

      • CanadaBear

        I’m glad you didn’t type Howard, Fine and Howard.

  • AlbertInTucson

    After Palmer dislocated that finger at the end of last season, he was mediocre, at best.

  • BearDown100393

    Marshall… Marshall… Marshall: “I always say quarterbacks are like CEOs. When I was in Chicago, Josh McCown was great at that. He really was our leader.”

    • Irish Sweetness

      Wow.

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      When guys with mental illness and trust issues go off the rails things can get emotional. Like saying Orton is the best qb you’ve ever played with.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Nice article, but damn….

    Can we just stop bringing up the like/dislike attribute every single time anything is written about Cutler? If the stance is that of “Jay is Jay, we have to deal with it, haters gonna hate”, then simply drop it.

    I only care about the results on the field and as a fan that is able to think for myself as well as being open to see things in other people’s point of view that is sensible and not extremely slanted or biased, I can safely say that Cutler’s odds have been always stacked against him. He made mistakes, but who doesn’t? He is the best solution we have had at the position and nothing else is even close. There’s a reason why some players are surefire starters, and a reason why others are just career backups. The gap is huge.

    If people cannot stand another person to the point that they spend more time hating and being negative about a HUMAN BEING, then what the heck are you doing following that sport or interest? Get your head out of your asses and be more positive and lighten up. You cannot be a fan AND anti-fan at the same time. Be a fan, tolerate the negative stuff (because what can you ACTUALLY DO ABOUT IT?) , or get away from it all if you are really letting things like a player’s pouty lip derail your entire life.

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      This is Cutlers first offseason to work with Grasu, and that’s assuming Grasu won’t be pushed aside. He will have a new LG, a new RT and no assurances they will master the protection schemes, so he needs to learn who is most likely to break down.

      He has yet another OC

      He lost Forte. He has Miller and Jeffery but needs to work with the new wideouts.

      Nothing in his tenure here has been stable. That’s what happens to losing clubs esp clubs that go full shitshow with Trestman

      He has deep ball arm. He has good accuracy when it isn’t a straight crossing route. He can escape and make it to the sidelines with his legs. He has guts.

      Last year he showed real discipline on his release. That was huge. This year he won’t be the issue it will be all about getting a center push with Langford and establishing the run and short yardage game

    • beninnorcal

      I see you’ve been to some facebook comment sections

      • burntorangenavyblue

        I brought up several points and it’s aimed at people that write articles and some of the commentors on this site.
        People writing the article still keep bringing up stupid Cutler reference about his personality traits even though it had no bearing on the game.

        If for every single player that they mentioned, shouldn’t they also bring up every time that player raises his voice to a certain decible to a teammate or coach, or scruntinize whether a player prefers to be patted or swatted on the ass or high five when they are praising each other? Or how about if they say “God bless you” or “Bless you” if someone sneezes? What if nothing is said? Are they atheist? Hard of hearing?

        It’s ridiculous that we are trying to always connect nontangible football/nonfootball behaviors with actual tangible football performance.

        • EvanHOFriguez

          Merely people trying to put a value to intangibles. They do exist, and they do have an effect. Perhaps more talked about than need be though.

  • Sactowns#1

    Bill- or was it Will? What was the name of the website where you can look at what bands are coming to your area?

    • CanadaBear

      Pollstar.com

      • Sactowns#1

        And all this time, it was you Canada.

        • CanadaBear

          Hiding in the weeds!

          • MB30SD

            Weed

          • EnderWiggin

            Tweedz

          • Sactowns#1

            Shhhh… don’t mention weed. You’ll wake up Doc.

          • MB30SD

            I’m trying to

    • willbest

      No chance it was me, I barely listen to music. Usually its ESPN 1000, unless Silvy is on the rag that week.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • You know who’d look really nice shoring up Chicago’s shaky OL depth right now?

      Matt Slauson.

      • AlbertInTucson

        We condemned that move when they dumped him.

        Did San Diego ever send a “Thank you” note?

        • willbest

          Apparently they felt they were paying him too much.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Good offensive lineman are a a premium.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        still a couple of older OL guys out there in FA, probably worth kicking some tires on them.

        • Andrew was quick to point out Will Montgomery.

          Because right now their top 2 backups are Ted Larsen and that dude from Carolina they just signed, both of whom are basically Vlad Ducasse.

          Not ideal when you’re planning on starting 3 unproven guys.

          • CanadaBear

            There can’t be 3 Vlad Ducasse’s in the league, there just can’t. BTW, I was shocked that someone as rational and nice as you comes with your own trolling section. Ain’t life grand!

          • It’s just people from the site where I first hung out and got started running. They’re mostly decent guys, with a few dirtbags mixed in. Most of what they’re doing is just for entertainment because they’re bored.

            As for Vlad Ducasse, I mean a guy people look to as good depth because he’s experienced, only the experience is just enough to show that they’re not good offensive linemen.

          • SC Dave

            No, most of what they are doing is because they are immature pricks.

          • Irish Sweetness

            My expectations for this season have been lowered. No backups for your OL when your starters are not guaranteed to produce is a definite worry.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dumb inexplicable move to begin with, and now a stellar super nova going off in our collective pants.

    • CanadaBear

      Kinda reads like the fire went out.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I give him credit for listening to his own body and not just hanging on for a paycheck.

        • CanadaBear

          Exactly. Glad he assessed the risks and hung it up. Hate to see a guy get hurt.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      BRING TAYO BACK!!!

    • Irish Sweetness

      We have 14 offensive linemen, and 7 tight ends currently at Halas. Hopefully that signing and release of you-know-who doesn’t come back and kick us in the ass.

      • AlbertInTucson

        It’s The Bears, Irish. Of COURSE it will.

  • CanadaBear

    Hey GP, MB and other car nuts. My Little Love Dove and I road past this place yesterday. Not my thing (not to mention the membership fees) but pretty cool considering we live about an hour away.

    http://www.cowichanvalleycitizen.com/news/382046211.html

    Here’s the website,
    http://islandmotorsportcircuit.com/

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      Millionaire play clubs.

      They are doing it up in Pontiac MI, where the Woodward dream cruise starts. They call it the m1 Concourse. It’s the old GM proving ground track, which means there was already a circuit there and all the zoning permits needed, they just needed to buy the land off GM and repave the road and set up garages.

      http://www.m1concourse.com/

      A garage like that starts at $250k and goes up to $800k. Some guys have the money, esp. the old GM guard up in Royal Oak. Even new GM execs still in that area pull the kind of $400k salaries to go play that way.

      Meanwhile the proletariat who run their hot rods *IN* the Woodward dream cruise get a ticket for so much as gunning the engine. A long long way from the days that Woodward used to let people drag race.

      I can see why street racing culture has so many reality tv shows now. While rich put fences up and build their own tiny versions of Spa Franchorchamps, the rest of the world is out the desert and old highways doing their thing. That or parking lots with orange cones doing SCCA.

      I don’t performance drive anymore. I mentioned a few times here when I lived in Colorado I had a formula ford with two different engines over it’s lifetime. Old T200, looked pretty close to this one:

      https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2771/4522212393_0303a937a5_z.jpg

      It was a pain to trailer and take places and I gave up on running it, but it was fun to go fast and I never cracked it up. My dream was to cross country haul it to Limerock and do laps there but alas I never did, instead just going to Skip Barber there. It was expensive even doing the engine work myself, and so I gave it up. I thought about playing iRacing on the pc, but once you have driven for real sitting behind the computer seems lame. I don’t think these rich guy car parks are going to let people in track day open wheelers come in and play on their tracks. In fact I know they won’t. They will run their GT2s and M3s there and trade hedge fund tips.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m sure you’re correct. I’m surprised there’s enough rich people on the Island to kinda, sorta support it along with the ultra rich. Maybe they’re counting on the CDN dollar to keep sucking ass to make this seem attractive to Americans. That and the weather.

        • Swing Tackle of Destiny

          Aren’t people in Vancouver loaded? I read that VC was the San Francisco of Canada.

          • CanadaBear

            This is on Vancouver Island. Lots of money in Victoria (capital of BC) and lots of retirees. Other than that, mostly blue collar. It is a tourist destination. The city of Vancouver (on the mainland) is crazy expensive.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny
    • CanadaBear

      Something doesn’t smell right. Might be those megaton arms and the 15# dumbells.

      • Scharfinator

        His biceps are tiny though when you look at his his triceps are trying to wrap around his upper arm and consume them.

        • CanadaBear

          I use low weights and lots of reps for my upper body. It doesn’t do much for definition but it also doesn’t make my joints hurt. The dumbbells I use are heavier than in the pic!

        • DaMurph

          Like the guy in the next picture

    • DaMurph

      Almost hit JK with my car a few years ago.

      • MB30SD

        Yeah, fuck jk murph!

        • DaMurph

          Your just pissed because the old dude got bigger guns than you! Haha. I was on a studio lot, my cousin is a producer. Im looking around as I pull into a parking spot, Rita yells stop I slam on the brakes and there in front of my car was JK, unaware his life had been saved by my Puerto Rican Princess!

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      Whiplash was a badass movie.

    • Sactowns#1

      He looks like he’s 101 years old. Jesus.

  • Cutler can be a winning QB IF everything around him is perfect…day #2,195…

    http://images4.static-bluray.com/reviews/5108_2.jpg

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      Jericho system preparing to launch.

      • Nah. We already know how the arch goes with Cutty.

        If he starts chucking 20 Ints and dumping it off instead getting 1st downs again, it’ll be because he lost Forte, Bennett, maybe Alshon to inj, somone on the Oline like Leno or Massie bombed, new OC was a dud, etc

        Already have a built in a excuse, and round-and-round we go.

        Personally, I think he turned the corner (and Gase may have nudged, but I surmise it was Cutler himself finally changing), but we all know how these two alternative realities will unfold.

        I’m just tired of all these “IF Cutler had…” narratives.

        That should be saved for Ryan Fitz’ of the world, and Cutty was never supposed to be that.

        • You’re about to get Jericho’d

          haha, having a professional line, some coaching, a couple of weapons and a D that’s not the worst of the entire history of the franchise should not be some pie in the sky notion. At the same time, it’s not a narrative if the issues that have plagued the Bears are actually real…which we can agree they are.

  • AlbertInTucson

    So the 4-Letter and other sources report that Von Miller turned down a “record offer” based on the overall value of the contract. Whoop-de-do.As anybody knows, “Overall Value” is meaningless.

    When other top defenders, like Suh, signed for guarantees of more than $50m, is Miller’s agent going to settle for guaranteed money was of less than $40m?

    That kind of reporting is right up there with “Tiger Woods won’t be playing this week”.

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      There has to be some kind of breaking point though in a salary cap sport. This is getting crazy.

      • AlbertInTucson

        The Suh contract has already shown the insanity of such deals.

        • CanadaBear

          Esp to someone like Suh. Some of the elite D players might be worth the money if they show up every snap. That ain’t Suh.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Suh and his piss-poor attitude aside, those contracts are IMPOSSIBLE to live up to.

          • CanadaBear

            Oh, I agree but someone like Watt or Miller that show up every play, are as close to worth it as it gets.

          • willbest

            Well they aren’t impossible to live up to, but you do have to be a difference maker in a Super Bowl run to fulfill it.

          • AlbertInTucson

            So just “Damn near impossible”, plus instantly setting up a “Salary Cap Hell” situation.

          • willbest

            Depends on the team. We could afford to give Von Miller a 5-year $90 million deal with $57 million guaranteed, and not have any salary cap issues. It probably wouldn’t even hamper our ability in FA, although 2018 could be a little rough if Leno, Fuller, White, Goldman, Amos, all become major contributors. But then if that happens we won’t have a whole lot of need for FA.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            haha, we keep mentioning Amos like he’s not JAG. He is JAG.

        • BearDown100393

          Albert Haynesworth

          • AlbertInTucson

            What an absolute tool he was.

      • willbest

        Don’t look at the money. Look at the years guaranteed. Solid players like Royal and Trevathan get 2 full years guaranteed. Elite gems like Von Miller get 3-3.5 years. (Keep in mind that in Hockey and Baseball giving up 7-10 years guaranteed is done regularly).

        Now back to the money. The top 2-3 pass rushers in the league are worth 16-17 million a year. That is about 11.5% of the salary cap. So a Von Miller contract should have 50-60 million in guarantees.

        • You’re about to get Jericho’d

          I hear you but I’m talking about teams that spend that kind of money on one guy. The Broncos won the superbowl because of a bunch of guys playing balls out on D. FA marquee pickups in the D backfield, late round draft picks on the D line , etc.
          Salaries like this in a sport like football rarely end up in a super bowl. Teams that have multiple players playing lights out that are on cheap rookie or UFA deals and FA’s that play up to their contracts and some injury luck are the teams that do well.

          • willbest

            They also won the Super Bowl flushing $20 down the drain on a washed up QB. They also had some high priced free agents. What they did have were absolute steals in Von Miller, Jackson, and Marshal

          • EvanHOFriguez

            Physically washed up QB, whom is perhaps the most intelligent QB to ever QB.

          • willbest

            Peyton Manning was God’s gift to football prior to mid Nov. of 2014. He had 1 good game in 2015 (against the Packers bless his soul), but spent most of the season fighting like hell not to mess things up for that defense.

  • Kimberly Quintanilla

    “my room mate Lori Is getting paid on the internet $98/hr”…..!tl738ur

    two days ago grey McLaren. P1 I bought after earning 18,512 Dollars..it was my previous month’s payout..just a little over.17k Dollars Last month..3-5 hours job a day…with weekly payouts..it’s realy the simplest. job I have ever Do.. I Joined This 7 months. ago. and now making over hourly. 87 Dollars…Learn. More right Here !tl738u:➽:➽:.➽.➽.➽.➽ http://GlobalSuperJobsReportsEmploymentsCentreGetPay$98Hour…. .★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★::::::!tl738o….,…

  • MB30SD

    I want my macluran kim… I see you down there with your empty promises

    • EnderWiggin

      empty promises? All I see down there is the address “GlobalSuperJobs”… She has my attention.

      • Sactowns#1

        And the fancy olde thyme spelling for centre.

  • willbest

    If I were Talib I would be looking into whether the Broncos front office is responsible for the altercation leading to the butt shooting. They seem the most likely to gain from this having guaranteed his 2016 salary. It is my understanding that non-football injuries can get them off the hook.

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      Spoken like an attorney

    • EvanHOFriguez
    • BearDown100393

      What’s next? A crate of fireworks in the backseat of his car and Elway handing him a bic lighter?

      • willbest

        I have no idea, but dude is more trouble than he is worth, and already served his purpose. They are just on the hook for $8.5 million unless they can trade him to the Bengals.

  • You’re about to get Jericho’d

    So, the guy from Midwestern Western state, the nerd from Harvard and the backup D lineman from the Seahawks aren’t working out at TE?
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/09/bears-work-out-tony-moeaki-other-tight-ends/

    The TE situation and the OL situation are a bit concerning.

    • Scharfinator

      Leave no stone unturned!

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        I like Moeaki….5yrs ago.

    • Captain Obvious

      Moeaki is a local kid from Wheaton. Hope he catches on.

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        I loved Moeaki before injuries derailed it all. Hopefully he can rebound. He’s a big pass catcher that can flash in the red zone.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Have we tried Leno at guard? The dude is 6’3, he’s like our smallest lineman.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny
    • CanadaBear

      That guy must work for Biebs or he wouldn’t have come off unscathed.

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        I agree, I think Da Beebz is so unhinged he attacked his own bodyguard.

        • CanadaBear

          There is no logical explanation how Biebs survived without a beat down. That guy was big and motivated.

          • SC Dave

            Think WWE… the whole thing may be merely be a staged publicity stunt.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I was just thinking that.
          The dude is always surrounded by about six Brock Lesnars. The fact that no one was trying to break it up could indicate a bodyguard … on his last day of work.

          In the scheme of big bangs and cosmic events though …

    • BearDown100393

      Manziel vs Bieber. Book it.

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        I would pay up. It would be as pathetic as when Bonaduce fought Greg from the Brady Bunch. He knocked him the fuck out. It was so pathetic, one of the most pathetic moments in reality tv.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        “Celebrity Death Match”???

        • BearDown100393

          Douche Death Match sounds better

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i hope you got the MTV reference…. I really don’t think I am that old.

          • BearDown100393

            Absolutely. Mills Lane as a clay caricature. Brilliant.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/06/06/20160609_burger.jpg

    A guy found 20 bucks in his burger from Mickey D.

    But my favorite is the headline: Quantitative Eating

    • willbest

      Must have gotten the burger intended for the service worker’s drug dealer.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        They want to be paid $15 bucks an hour to flip burgers, but cannot hold onto a $20 bill….people are strange

        • AlbertInTucson

          And can’t figure your change unless the register tells them what it is.

      • RenoBear

        This

    • Irish Sweetness

      And he RETURNED IT ????

  • Keripjohnston

    “my room mate Lori Is getting paid on the internet $98/hr”…..!tl144x

    two days ago grey McLaren. P1 I bought after earning 18,512 Dollars..it was my previous month’s payout..just a little over.17k Dollars Last month..3-5 hours job a day…with weekly payouts..it’s realy the simplest. job I have ever Do.. I Joined This 7 months. ago. and now making over hourly. 87 Dollars…Learn. More right Here !tl144x:➽:➽:.➽.➽.➽.➽ http://GlobalSuperJobsReportsEmploymentsBuildGetPay$98Hour…. .★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★::::::!tl144x….,.

  • jim

    RIDICULOUS ARTICLE. another hopeless cutler apologist. cutler will never win anything, anywhere. he has one playoff win. lol. that is what he will finish his career with.

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      it would be awesome if you fucked off and died

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        I was going to take the high road and refrain from feeding but my enjoyment levels are noticeably lower. These kids aren’t going anywhere now that they’ve been introduced to a fertile new world on which to shit so I’m loading up some old rusty ordinance I found in some Romanian car yard and I’m going to fire off a few rounds.

      • jim

        5 year old. go back to mommy.

  • jim gray

    cutler is average, at best. he simply isn’t good enough.

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