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Bears Should Say No On Spence

| April 12th, 2016

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You know Noah Spence’s story. He was a five star recruit, kicked out of the Big 10 because of two failed drug tests for ecstasy. He went on to Eastern Kentucky, had a productive year and made people drool as he ran around bad tackle prospects at the Senior Bowl. That was right around the time of the Super Bowl and everyone suddenly wanted Spence to be Von Miller. Here’s the thing: He isn’t Von Miller and isn’t close as a prospect.

I’ll get to the red flags later.

Spence has very real physical flaws that make me think he’d struggle even if he did stay clean. The best pass-rushers in the league are either long or athletic. Spence isn’t either. It isn’t just about his 40-yard dash time. He didn’t show particularly good agility or explosiveness.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Terrell Suggs. Tamba Hali. But they dominated a high level of competition in college. Suggs had 24 sacks and 31 TFL in 2002. Spence didn’t even come close to those numbers against FBS competition. Shit, Spence wasn’t even the most dominant pass-rusher at FSC. (Check out Tyrone Holmes.)

A rule of scouting is to never judge on stats. I know the tape shows you a more active and productive player. The tape doesn’t tell you much if you’re looking at a player slumming it at a lower level of competition. A turtle can look fast against a bunch of other turtles. He won’t against a tiger. It’s like Danny Shelton having four sacks against Eastern Washington. That doesn’t matter. He didn’t even sniff the quarterback in the NFL. So, no, I don’t particularly care what Spence did against the Southwest Louisiana School of the Blind and Impotent.

In Spence’s case, he had one year against top competition. He was productive as a sophomore at Ohio State, but hardly dominant. He had sacks in seven different games but 2.5 came against teams who were a combined 2-22. Two more came against Penn State in a game Spence’s team won 63-14. He also had 1.5 sacks against the likes of Buffalo and San Diego State.

In 2015, he played two Division One schools and got sacks in both games, against 7-6 NC State and 5-7 Kentucky. We just don’t have any evidence that he can consistently produce against a high level of competition and his physical ability suggests he can’t.

And now, the red flags.

He didn’t just fail an ecstasy test. He failed two. Not pot, ECSTASY. And after that he transferred to Eastern Kentucky and got arrested for public intoxication, apparently throwing a beer bottle in the road last May. How much more stupidity do we need to see from this guy?

Spence and Robert Nkemdiche have been linked together because they’re both considered talented players with off-the-field issues. Thing is, Nkemdiche is worth the risk because he is actually a physical freak. Spence is an average athlete with a below average chance of success.

So please, Bears, don’t draft Noah Spence.

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  • Irish Sweetness

    First to say POX were never looking at Spence?

    That they’ve spoken to eight quarterbacks is more worrying.

    • Scharfinator

      Worrying? Good backups are hard to find.

      • Irish Sweetness

        We have one already. Drafting a guy to replace him is insane given the time and effort we’ve invested in him. Want a 3rd QB on the roster? Make it a vet.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          If they went QB in the second round, like Connor Cook as an example, it would not shock me. I would not be thrilled, but not totally surprised either.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I say rock D and OL with this draft then go QB in the first round next year

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Me likey.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I’ll clarify, we should go D and OL with this draft, Safety and TE in free agency next year and QB with our first draft pick.

          • willbest

            the 2017 FAs in Safety is a barren wasteland. There are some okay options at tight end though. Excluding former Bears, FAs in TE for 2017

            Jordan Cameron
            Delanie Walker
            Jermaine Gresham
            Tyler Eifert (tag candidate I would assume)
            Larry Donnell
            Jordan Reed

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            I’ll take Jordan Reed. We made him look like Mike Ditka against a bunch of white defenders.

          • willbest

            He has issues staying on the field, but when he is there he is pretty good.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But we’re picking 32nd next year ….

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            well played sir, well played.

          • Andrew

            The Bears still have so many needs, both offensively and defensively, they need to draft the best available player. Regardless of position. To draft for need is a mistake to which the Bears can testify to.

        • SC Dave

          Do we?

    • FQD1911

      lol @ POX

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    I know it’s not the best indicator of strength but some of these potential first rounder D studs did between 10 and 19 reps on the bench. Our fucking QB did 27.
    Get the guys that showed on tape against real competition that they are fucking men amongst boys. There are only a couple of these guys and you may have to move up to get them. I agree that Spence is not one of them.
    #doyouevenbenchbro?

    • Big Mike

      Sometimes long armed guys can’t bench. It’s more about core and lower body strength and quick twitch muscles. It’s also more of an endurance thing than a strength measurement.

      • CanadaBear

        Unless they have a ridiculously low number of reps, I don’t read much into it. Paea set the combine record at 49 but was just a guy. To me it’s like the 40 times for the big boys (OL and DT). They might run 40 yds on a freak play but that’s about it.

        • Big Mike

          Kyle Long didn’t do the Bench at the combine. Neither Did Slauson. Brandon Scherff did 23

    • willbest

      Guys with longer arms have to move the bar farther and use more of their traps per rep unless they widen their grip (assuming they are allowed) which puts extra strain on their shoulders.

      Shorter arms allow for more assistance from the pecs per rep.

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        Thank you Doctor Willie.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          I think your CB only did 10. GP, you could do 10. But the kid jumps off the fucking screen….

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            which is better than jumping off the fucking balcony.
            I’m going with skip both the crazies in the first round.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            Seven

          • Ribeyes for Operators

            Nine actually. As I approach 50, I don’t think I’ll get 10.

            this is at the combine weight of 225.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            haha, I was referring to the numbers of joints that Nkemdiche had in his hotel room. Nine reps is pretty fucking impressive.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            So is seven joints!

          • MB30SD

            You’re all a bunch of slackjawed faggits

          • MB30SD

            Or out of a pool

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        haha, the ramblings of a man that probably benches like a pussy. Haha, I keed.

        • willbest

          Its been a hobby for a while. Rack for my basement was probably the best investment in my health I have ever made. But no I don’t do what those guys do. Sort of stalled at 185, and don’t really have the drive to go higher.

          • Scharfinator

            I’ve always struggled to get really solid weight on benching – I think to really really grow at the end of your peak, you need someone to spot you regularly.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m terrible at it. I used to lift with a huge power lifter (on his easy days) that was always pissed at me about it. I’m super short, big chest, short arms, big shoulders and just plain suck at it. He used to yell at me, “For fuck’s sake you only have to move it about 6″ with those kangaroo arms”. Oh well. Used to be OK at dead lifting but that just kills your back.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Kangaroo arms…hahahahaha.

          • CanadaBear

            Check out the Cubs new weight room. Not bad for about 30-35 guys. Check out the bottom rack on the dumbells. None for me thanks!

            http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15190842

          • Scharfinator

            I favor the bent leg deadlift as I get older – as long as I’m doing it right, I never get any pain. Straight leg is always an issue for me though.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m getting one of my knees replaced in the next 2-3 months so all I do these days is dumbbells for my upper body. I have to do them sitting down. I do sit ups for my core and can still cycle in easy gears for my legs. Getting old ain’t for the faint of heart.

          • Scharfinator

            Ouch, yeah I could see how a knee replacement would get in the way of heavy leg lifts!

          • Doc Hamstring

            There is some truth to what you say. The best way to increase your max is to do negative lifts — so you need a couple guys to spot you as you slowly (10 seconds is ideal) drop the bar to your chest with 125% of your max weight on the bar.

            But without a spotter, the most reliable way to increase your max is to put about 80% of your max on the bar and go for 4-5 sets of 5-6 reps each. With that routine, you should be able to do the lifts without a spotter, but the weight is heavy enough that you’re entering into hypertrophy and triggering a catabolic response.

            Make sure you’re getting enough protein in your diet, and consider a supplement like creatine.

          • CanadaBear

            Are you a trainer or a competitive weightlifter?

          • Scharfinator

            I’ve done all those kinda things, but my diet probably isn’t as consistent as it should be. I may just need to put more of a focus on it as well.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I struggled with it because I didn’t care. I was a spot up jump shooter in basketball and a long distance runner, so I had a get out of powerlifting free pass.

          • willbest

            For me its mainly about preventing back issues from sitting around all day and giving me extra energy now that I am not young and no longer have an infinite supply.

            Kids are starting to wind me out in the backyard though so it looks like I am going to have to add cardio which I loathe to do.

          • CanadaBear

            Try bicycling. If you hate traffic, try mt biking or fat biking. It can be fun and it’s not hard on you unless you go nuts and take a big hit.

      • Doc Hamstring

        There is too much bullshit in this for me to reply to it point-by-point.

        Here is the long and short of it:

        Longer arms mean more distance from the muscle attachment points to the resistance — in other words, more distance from the fulcrum to the weight. Which mean that the same amount of force, when applied with a shorter arm, will lift more weight.

        Has nothing to do with using different muscles. Has everything to do with leverage.

        Once you start going past 10 reps, however, you’re using less of your fast-twitch fibers and getting more into muscle endurance. Guys who can do the bench 12+ times are demonstrating not just strength (10x at 225 lbs corresponds to a one-rep max of 300 lbs), but the ability to repeat that motion over and over and over. Guys who are doing fewer than 12 reps are just demonstrating how strong they are.

      • SC Dave

        I prefer push ups… or perhaps planks are a closers analogy. With a woman, of course.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Kevin White did 23 reps.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        With his shins. Look how that turned out.

        • MB30SD

          Hahahahaha

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    AD just took my argument against Spence to essay form. Smart!

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      I should google it and repost.

  • MB30SD

    5th!!!!!

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    mmmmmmm drugs. I really don’t care if a kid did drugs or drank in college, mainly because I did a lot of drugs and drank a lot in college. Yes it is a red flag and might prevent me from taking a player in the 1st round. The way I see it for every player that has failed a drug test there are probably a couple dozen players that got away with it. Young and dumb. Do the homework in interviews, workouts and watch the game tape.

    • Big Mike

      Ecstasy…. twice. Kicked out of big ten, drunk in public, these are more than the signs of juvenile behavior. This is a kid who expects people to clean up after him. 2nd chances, 3rd chances and so on. Will he grow up? Who knows. But I’m sure the Bears have an analysis of his potential. Based on what Jeff reports, even with a spotless record the kids a late round of UDFA. Plenty of young men in the NFL draft, who have lived up to their ability, stayed clean and can make a difference for the Bears.

      • CanadaBear

        I think both of you make good points. The tricky part is trying to figure out if or when the kid grows up.

        • Big Mike

          I’m all about 2nd chances. But I’m not supportive of the Bears spending anything more than a 6th or 7th round choice on Spence.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    My Spence comments:
    “Noah’s problem sounds like it may have as much or more to do with his taste for ecstasy than his combine numbers. There’s a reason he was at Eastern Kentucky, not playing in the B1G.
    Buyer beware.”

    “I read a couple of places that his team interviews went poorly too. If you are such a f-ckup that the B1G outright BANS you, and then you transfer and get popped for a public intoxication, and your interviews go poorly, and your combine numbers are mediocre, your game film against second-to-third tier competition like Tennessee Tech is probably not going to outweigh the rest. That is my grabowski evaluation of the situation. I’m not saying he’s not a talented player, but he hasn’t helped himself in multiple ways – not blowing teams away at the combine is just icing on the crap cake.”

    • willbest

      Wait where do people think he is going? He reads like a 7th or UDFA flier

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I’ve seen him in lots of mocks in the first round to early second round….which I obviously think is nuts.
        But as we all know, it’s only the ‘pro’ scouts that know anything.

        • Ribeyes for Operators

          Who knows, he might be Burfict for the Raidahs.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I see what you did there…

  • 505Bears

    Southwest Louisiana School of the Blind and Impotent..I think I applied there, but my SATs weren’t up to par…haha

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Josh Gordon has some serious issues.

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Thank God his roomie is Johnny Football.

    • AlbertInTucson

      So he just figures ” What’s one more (Johnny Football as a roomie)?”

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Odds on them getting their deposit back…something approximating absolute statistical insignificance.

        • MB30SD

          Hahaha

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        it just doesn’t make sense to me. He’s effectively throwing away 50 million dollars. It’s sad. He will end up in a very bad place mentally when it all hits him. Then he’ll end up in the ground.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Hub and Fish like AShawn as does GG

    http://www.chicagofootball.com/2016/04/11/pro-football-weeklys-2016-nfl-draft-prospect-preview-ashawn-robinson/am0g4i/

    In the 8 years on Da Blog, Hub has yet to pick the 1st rounder correct. But this year we have a GM who belongs in the NFL and not somebody best suited to a used car lot. So I tend to agree here.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      A’Shawn is plug and play and I like it. It’s as safe a pick as you can make without squandering the 11th spot.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Dar…OK, fine, I’d be OK with this beast on the line.
        But gimme Joseph in the 2nd…

      • Irish Sweetness

        So Eddie G and Akiem Hicks and Terry Fkn Williams don’t exist? Another DT, really?

        Tackles we got ; but a bruiser at HB or a top corner? A pass-rusher? Tackles we got.

        There’s room for more, but not at 11 ….

        • CanadaBear

          Depends. If he’s better than the guys on the roster by more than just a little bit, it’s an OK pick. I agree DE, OLB, CB, S, OT and yes, RB are greater needs. TE needs to be addressed but not in the first.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          Look at Denver. They had 4 beasts in the middle and it made everyone better. Terry Williams hasn’t been deemed NFL starting caliber and going into a season with Eddie Goldman and Hicks as your only linemen is a recipe for seeing Urine or some random D tackle with a number like 78 on his jersey playing too many minutes at some point in the year.

          • Ribeyes for Operators

            78 is a fucking rpm for records that your grandfather owned. Not for Bears lineman.

            I propose Waffles 78 rule: if we got a #78 out there, fuck it this is not our year

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Football’s days are numbered in it’s current form. I just don’t know what the number is. It will experience a kind of Gladwell tipping point, a Zeitgeist shift and then things will collapse fast.

      • AlbertInTucson

        SMH. There’s too much money to be made.

        • Scharfinator

          Maybe that is the tipping point.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I just do not foresee a shortage of 20-somethings who think they are indestructible.

          • willbest

            you have a funny way of spelling “know”.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Everyone thinks they are unbreakable until they break.

          • AlbertInTucson

            True but that doesn’t shorten the line to get in to the NFL.

            It just makes the line move a little faster.

    • willbest

      Not for nothing but some points

      1) The players CBA entitles them them to $5 billion collectively, so they are hardly without resources. The owners take the other 6.5 billion but the lions share of that gets spent on coaches, trainers, front office, facilities, stadium employees, etc.

      2) It is unlikely anybody could understand anything about the long term implications of this prior to the computerization of medical records. Well except beyond the “getting hit in the head regularly is bad” from a common sense standpoint. In the same way breathing in black dust long term is bad (and they got/get far less compensation for it).

      3) The game evolves and every significant rule change results in a new branch in the tree for study purposes. For example, we won’t know for sure about changes Goodell has put in for player safety will have positive or negative long term effects for another 20 years.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    So, a low speed hit and run accident turns into a dead father. What an utterly stupid series of events.
    http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1005708

  • Doc Nitty

    On the last thread…

    Me: “…taking my boy to G n R…”

    Trac: ” So when does he get to meet the Temple prostitute?”

    Me: “He already knows his mother”

    I’ll be here all day.

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      boom!

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Nice to see AD floating my idea of Lee playing Safety on Twitter.
    What a revolutionary idea.

  • FQD1911

    “You know Noah Spence’s story.”

    nah, I don’t.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    See guys, I said that Panama Papers was a CIA op and you all thought I was going Irish on you. But, honestly, when have I been wrong? Ever?

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/12/swiss-banker-whistleblower-cia-behind-panama-papers.html

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Oh the kicker is the toadie sent by the Brookings Institution to type this up:
      http://www.newsweek.com/putin-behind-panama-papers-445348

      Oh, I see. It’s blackmail. THAT is why there are no Americans in the report. Uh huh.

      • willbest

        Can you even blackmail our politicians? Trump wasn’t wrong, he could kill somebody on 5th Avenue and he might lose 10% of his supporters. But that would be true of all of them.

        • Ribeyes for Operators

          With an offshore company? Probably not.

    • Trac

      I am with you on this one. Now the talk is that Saudi Arabia was in on 911. Hmm. Could the U.S. be setting up Saudi Arabia because they are about to go off the petrodollar in retaliation to the US for stabbing them in the back by cozying up to Iran? It goes deep my man, very deep. Jack Nicholson was right.

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        Plausible. Makes sense.

        • SC Dave

          Not merely plausible

  • willbest

    So the guy that created the Caucasians t-shirt that was worn by that ESPN clown trying to make a point has sold 2,000 of them in the last week for $22 + S&H. Which apparently amounts to roughly 30% of his annual sales in a typical year.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/sports/articles/2016-04-08/caucasians-shirt-sales-jump-after-espns-jones-appearance

    I doubt Jones had any intention of doing a solid for this small business, but I am glad he did

    • SC Dave

      A nice story

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Tom Thayer trashed Joey Bosa on the radio. Said he was a useless tweener. When told that Bosa said he was the best LB in the draft, Thayer’s response was, “Gabe Carmini said he was the best tackle at his combine, too.”

    Nice.

    • Yeah, at first he looked the part. But the more i dug into him, the less i liked.
      He’s a good LE, NOT a dominant rusher.

      Do u draft an Izzy top 10?

      If the Boys pass him up, he may fall to us, but i don’t know if i would bite.

      Plus, hr comes off as a sttangr mixture of that dude who couch surfed way too long and biff

      • SC Dave

        Not top ten, but Izzy was Solid

    • Irish Sweetness

      He’s the one guy touted in the top 5 that smells most like a bust I smell Manziel.

  • Cormonster
    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Not Johnny. That’s why he has 18 kids, I guess.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      too much???? pretty sure I have not hit that point yet.

    • CanadaBear

      Not sure where that threshold is but after 50 years maybe I’m just grandfathered into the club.

      • SC Dave

        This

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Thank you, Jimmy

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Nobody watches BCS?

      • CanadaBear

        I saw that the other night. Slippin’ Jimmy isn’t much of a singer. Love that show. The woman that plays his girlfriend is really good.

      • Bender McLugh

        that last two episodes…..awesome.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Seeing him stitch up his brother was great. And I hope he’s dead.

        Wouldn’t Mike make the best grandfather ever?

        • Ribeyes for Operators

          Mike is a bad ass. He tells Nacho straight out he did it.

          You know Mike has to kill Nacho in the end.

  • MB30SD

    Guys like this make me sick. He gets a fucking paycheck for this… the guy obviously hasn’t watched a single fucking game. Listen to this shit
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000652058/article/roster-reset-vikings-packers-poised-to-stay-in-control

    “General manager Ryan Pace and coach John Fox seem to be embracing a full rebuild of the Lovie Smith era. Gone are productive veterans like Matt Forte and Martellus Bennett. Former big ticket free-agent signings (Jermon Bushrod) and first-round picks (Shea McClellin) are also gone.”

    • CanadaBear

      Pretty sure in the same article or some other POS on NFL.com that said NE signed CD and he will become a good player. Sure thing. And all my dead relatives are gonna come back to life.

    • willbest

      I don’t know… its entirely plausible that he watched every Bears football game in 2014 and the trauma caused him to repress the Trestmen era.

    • Irish Sweetness

      That guy is a shmenk.

      • SC Dave

        Define please!?!

    • SC Dave

      What a tool

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    @DaMurph, whaddya think of this kid from ND?
    Elijah Shumate

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
  • Irish Sweetness

    Jefe posted a link to a good article on Joe versus the volcano. Good stuff.

    https://twitter.com/tordotcom/status/719874106884296705

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    It’s a good thing Waffle no longer listens to the Score.

    All they do is pine and whine hoping that Goff or Wentz are there at 11.

    They said yesterday that they couldn’t hate Suh too much when he was a Lion…. because he would cheap shot Cutler and they liked that. I had visions of Johnny building the Animal House Deathmobile from a ’65 Lincoln chassis and breaching the station walls with it.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      He would van-surf that sonofabitch all the way.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      Forgive them Cutty for they know not what they do.

      • SC Dave

        Lol

    • CanadaBear

      2 years under the most wimpy, back stabbing coaches in the league and a solid year under POX. Historically bad D for two years and last year wasn’t exactly boner inducing and this is what those assholes come up with? How fucking stupid do you have to be to come up with that shit? I get the red meat to idiots plot line but why would anyone else tune in?

    • willbest

      If I am having too good of a day, I will turn the Score on just so I can stay grounded to the fact that there are assholes in this world.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Miller and Kirwan have been locked in a room watching “Draft Day” and snorting Adderall evidently.
    https://twitter.com/PatKirwanCBS/status/718519459128995840

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Ha. Nothing like giving away those mid round picks that rebuild teams for the assurance that you can get Wentz. That is very Costner.

      It has the Bucs getting Bosa and Bears taking Rankins.

      I could live with that draft, but people in Cleveland might slit their wrists. And RG3 might drown himself in the red algae bloom in Lake Erie.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Somehow the Titans manage to drop all the way to 6, get two second rounders and a comp pick and STILL manage to have Tunsil drop to them. Say whaaat?
        And the Chargers trade straight up for Wilkerson? With what cap space? Am I misreading where they are at right now?

      • Johnnywad

        Even the Great Lakes suck in Cleveland.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Why would Cleveland want to move up to #1?

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        The justification was that they were worried somebody else would swoop in and trade up to get their preferred QB.

        • That Guy

          They did it for Richardson and it cost a lot more than a third.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I totally agree – compare the Browns moving up one spot to what the Ravens give the Titans to move up to second.
            The whole thing is batshit.

        • AlbertInTucson

          That’s a stretch for me.

          Yesterday, Kirwan & Miller were beating the drum for the Packers to trade their #1 to Cleveland Joe Thomas.

  • Doc Nitty

    Can anybody tell me what are the effects of adderall and/or amphetamine salts to the person not suffering from ADD? i could research but I always like to tap into da reservoir of blog intellect first.

    • willbest

      It gives you energy and allows you to focus even on routine tasks. Though some say it deadens your creativity. Its actually a drug of some popularity in the tech industry because companies either understaff and/or don’t provide enough time for their engineers to meet deadlines. I know several engineers that use it when their workload gets nuts and it allows them to put in 12 hour days.

      Its pretty surreal, I was at a dinner with 5-6 engineers and they were openly discussing how to get diagnosed with adult ADD.

      • CanadaBear

        I worked 12.5 hour swing shifts for 20+ years and didn’t need adderall or speed. The excuse by engineers doesn’t pass the sniff test. They just want to do speed. I did so much speed in my hippie days that when I quit my hands shook for months. Haven’t touched it since. That’s one nasty drug.

        • willbest

          Perhaps, I haven’t done anything illegal except pot. It just seems like not a particularly enjoyable use of a narcotic to take it at 2 in the afternoon so you can work until 11 at night. They aren’t popping them before a night out on the town.

          What were you doing for 12.5 hours? These particular engineers have a lot of variables to keep straight in their heads at a time. The less you manage in your head the longer your work takes.

          • CanadaBear

            Controller for a natural gas pipeline co. Happily retired. I can see it helping them focus up to a point, after that, uh-oh.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Do they vacuum the shit out of their houses too?
        I agree with CB and I work in the industry. That’s just rationalization for abusing speed.

        • Doc Nitty

          I can tell you definitively that there is no correlation between speed and vacuuming your house. If there is, it’s gotta be inverse variation. There does seem to be a correlation between the speed and the number of people you bang not named husband.

          • Cormonster

            I got a super smart buddy who got himself diagnosed ADD because he loved Adderall. He said for him it was like combining the best coke and the best ecstasy he ever had together. After a while, he realized it was a problem and confessed to the doctor so the prescription was taken away. He still believes in better living through chemistry, so now he makes his own drugs in pill form. He’s got a lot of experience from past jobs.

    • CanadaBear

      From my experiences with speed at first it makes you really happy and productive (and chatty). After a while you build up a resistance to it and you ramp up the usage. From there things get ugly. It gives you the feeling you can do anything and you feel like you are totally under control. For a spouse living with a speed freak the incessant talking is mind numbing at first and then troubling. As a speed freak ramps up the usage they usually aren’t getting proper rest and their faculties seem to be impaired. Certainly logic goes out the window and is replaced with paranoia. Like any drug that has a recreational side to it, people that are abusing it are the last to see it’s real effects and they live in denial. Hopefully your ex-in-waiting will bottom out quickly and get off that shit.

    • willbest

      Oh when you said “not suffering from ADD” I took that as a normal brain. Sky is the limit on all the kind of F’d up stuff you can see if the person has a chemical imbalance in their brain leading to a mental condition and is improperly given/takes stimulants.

      • Doc Nitty

        bingo

    • Sactowns#1

      It affects a certain center (prefrontal cortex) of the brain which controls concentration and filtering of stimuli. On a person with ADHD it speeds that part of the brain up, thus allowing it to work at a “normal” rate. On a person without ADHD it speeds that portion of the brain up and does indeed increase cognitive levels. It also speeds heart rate and can cause euphoria or anxiety. A lot of people just slightly younger than me like to do it recreationally. I’ve had a few ex gf’s into it. I guess it’s like coke but without all the jabber jawing.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    In case you haven’t heard, Chicago’s thin blue line has crumbled, all the millionaires are leaving (no more trickle down for you!), the housing market is collapsing and the Bears are going to leave for St. Louis.

    This article was on Google News under Chicago:

    http://www.thedailysheeple.com/millionaires-fearing-civil-unrest-are-fleeing-chicago-by-the-thousands_042016

    • Doc Nitty

      Detroit’s still got a team. I can’t imagine Chicago passing Detroit on it’s way down, but then I don’t live there so…

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        Nothing like alarmist rhetoric to stir shit up

        • Trac

          When George Bush scolds people for entertaining conspiracy theories, I’m gonna hunt that dog. You betcha!

      • That Guy

        There are some really great neighborhoods in the ring around Detroit city. Places like Novi, Southfield and Birmingham. None of them is part of the city of Detroit, but they’re all Lions customers.

        Its the same thing in Chicago. Even if Chicago rots, there will be great places to live in places like Naperville, Northbrook or Buffalo Grove. Those folks will all still be Bears customers.

        When the Cubs were threatening to move to Rosemont, nobody thought to stop calling them the “Chicago Cubs.”

        I’m actually surprised in California when people call their team the “Anaheim Angels.” But at least there they have the LA Dodgers. There’s no reason at all to stop calling the Bears “Chicago’s team.”

        • They were actually first called the los Angeles angels of Anaheim, which is terribly redundant and stupid, but the owner figured l.a. had more global marketability.
          Same w Santa Clara 9ers.

          Sometimes i think certain cities should just own team trademarks and history . At least the Browns were able to keep that, but some of these team names don’t really fly in new cities.

          Utah Jazz? Plz, they shoukd be renamed the Magic Underpants.

          Minny should kept Lakers name. Etc

          • That Guy

            I feel like certain franchises at this point have transcended their city affiliations. The Lakers, for example, are obviously indelibly linked to LA. Likewise the Dodgers.

            But yeah, I agree. The leagues should make a rule requiring a team changing cities to also change mascots. They won’t do it, probably figure it hurt revenue. But they should.

          • AlbertInTucson

            They were born in 1961 as the Los Angeles Angels, period.

    • willbest

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Chicago jettisoned the South and West sections at some point.

    • That Guy

      Daley basically destroyed the cities finances on his way out. Now the unions are fighting to keep their pensions against the residents who don’t want their present day taxes going to pay for yesteryear’s mistakes. Its a no-win financial mess. If we cut the pensions, we’re basically selling our souls and setting a dangerous precedent for the next mayor that wants to make a splash before he takes off. If we pay the pensions and gut city programs for the next decade to do it, the whole place will take major steps backward in things like education, infrastructure and policing. And its not like we’re doing great in any of those areas as it is.

    • Trac

      Wouldn’t want to witness the shit storm that’s going to take place in Chicago eventually.

    • Irish Sweetness

      A good time to buy!

  • Sactowns#1

    Konichiwa bitches!! Well I have survived Central America with minimal intestinal discomfort and maximum liver and puntang damage. I’m doing a write up of my trip for a friends website but until then here are some highlights and photos. http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/Jlehr916/library/

    Flew into Guayaquil, it’s a large, miserable and hot city. Stayed there for 4 days. I had chicks at the club asking to take pictures with me and saying stupid things like “I never thought I would know someone from California!”. It was super weird and I imagine it took Irish some getting used to, living in a third world country and having chicks just throw themselves at you. Wether its to escape or because they find you genially attractive one prob never knows. Headed to Montanita from there.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monta%C3%B1ita,_Ecuador

    They have the most consistent, surfable waves I’ve ever seen. They also have Ecuadors only drinkable beer since a guy from Cali moved there 8 years ago and started making beer. Not so fun fact, there is NO BOURBON in all of Ecuador. Lesson learned.

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Is that you with the bro beard, or the guy with the Payton jersey?

      • Shady

        Tank top and Bears hat I’m assuming.

    • Doc Nitty

      Great Soldier Field Snack!

      A lot of Bears and Jets fans with you. But you live in Sac, right? What gives?

      • Sactowns#1

        Oh man those pics are old. I need to organize those pics and post again. But yeah I live in Sac and there are quite a few NY transplants here.

    • SC Dave

      Fucking A!! Looking for the trip report for sure!!

    • Shady

      Pizza in a cone? Brilliant.

    • Sactowns#1

      This should be more up to date http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/Jlehr916/library/?view=recent?view=recent
      And yeah I’m the guy with the Bernie shirt and Bears board shorts with 2 chicks on his shoulders. haha

    • Irish Sweetness

      Just give us the Ayahuasca story already …

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    Mr. Oakman, are you excited to get drafted in the 3rd round and make several hundred thousand a year?
    Shawn Oakman: Naw, i’mma rape this girl a week before the draft.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/13/baylors-shawn-oakman-arrested-on-sexual-assault-charge/

  • willbest

    Je suis Grizzlies?

    Then again the Blackhawks are on.

  • Trac

    Want a good pre draft chuckle? Do you really think these ass wipes spent 2.1 billion to send a rover to mars? Hahaha

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U5_Il2tAT7U

    • willbest

      A friend of mine worked on the propulsion for the device you see lowering the rover around the 1:10 mark. I can’t speak to NASA sending it, but I am pretty certain that his company built it for them.

      I didn’t really watch the whole bit, but as for the jerkiness they were pointing out in the Earth lab vs. the actual landing on Mars. Well Mars has 25% less gravity.

      • Trac

        My niece is/was an astronaut. Everything is compartmentalized. Should have watched it all.

  • That Guy

    Wow. I just noticed that the entirety of the draft is happening over the last days of Passover. I’ll probably read about the entire thing after the fact. What a shame 🙁 When will I find the time to catch up on all the goings on? If only there was a lengthy stretch afterward with no football when I could take some time to catch up.

    • willbest

      No electronics?

      • That Guy

        Well, I guess I could leave the computer on for live updates, but that’s not happening.

        I actually enjoy the disconnecting. I’ve got no problem if it makes me miss out on the occasional sporting event.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          I’d say that your observance of Passover is more important considering the draft only gives you an unknown result (the pick by your team), and the extremely overblown hyping up and production of the entire draft “show” can be nauseating. Just tune in when Bears draft, no one will judge ya.

          • That Guy

            I don’t do it because I’m scared people will judge me.

            I personally love the draft. I don’t watch the show, I just track the picks on nfl.com or espn.com or twitter. I love the draft because I get to learn about so many new players that will likely be key figures in futures games. 15 minutes a pick is almost not enough time for me if its a surprise player. The obvious ones are always boring, but the GMs that reveal new and interesting (or stupid) plans to build their teams? I love following that. Its a fun hobby.

            Passover observance, and my religion in general is one of the most important aspects of my life. Its not a close decision.

            Plus, once I sit down at the table, and my wife is smiling while the kids sing the Mah Nishtana? I won’t even notice that I’ve missed something.

  • So watching Kobe last game. He’s still not as great as Jordan, tho was surprised to see the mailman ranked #2 in scoring. Always thought that was Jordan.
    And it looks like the Bulls 72 win record is going down tonight too

    • AlbertInTucson

      I think it’s kind of nice that the record falls to a team coached by Steve Kerr, former Bull and U of AZ Wildcat.

    • AlbertInTucson

      ‘Tis a done deal.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Ew. Ugly goal to lose on for the Blackhawks tonight.

  • Trac

    How many people realize that in 1958, the 10 major powers in the world signed a treaty banning commercial or private exploration of Antartica until 2044? This was at the height of the cold war and now 48 countries has signed the treaty. Nobody is allowed to go below the 60 degree parallel without Nato approval and an armed escort. Hmm.

    Check out the interview Admiral Byrd gave in 1956 on youtube. Very interesting.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=skjjfKwHFFs

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      What are they hiding down there? Willbest’s soul in a box?

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