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Bears Secondary: A Perceived Weakness May Be a Blossoming Strength

| June 22nd, 2016

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One position group quite a few people wished the Bears did a better job addressing this offseason was the secondary. But, despite not having any household names, they’re better back there than most think.

In 2015 the Bears defense ranked fourth in passing yardage allowed. But that’s not the eye-opening statistic. The thing that jumps out is a new metric Football Outsiders started using last year called ALEX, named after everyone’s favorite Checkdown Charlie, Alex Smith. The number ranks how often defenses forced quarterbacks to throw short of the first down marker — a clear sign of good coverage.

The Bears were the best in the sport.

That could just be an anomaly, but the best teams in ALEX rankings are the teams you would typically expect to be up there. The quarterbacks who you would expect to rank well in the statistic also do, so it mostly holds up. Considering the Bears’ inconsistent pass rush, finishing first is quite an accomplishment.

There are also numbers that tell you the Bears pass defense wasn’t as good as the yardage and ALEX rankings have them. They were only 18th in net yards per attempt, managed just eight interceptions and gave up 31 touchdowns. A lot of that — and the fact that they had one of the worst third down defenses in the league — can be attributed to a lack of pass rush and terrible linebacker play. The Bears recognized this and signed two new linebackers and drafted a pass-rusher in the first round.

There’s reason to think the Bears secondary will be better this year. Adrian Amos was good last year and has the potential to be Tony Parrish. Kyle Fuller improved throughout 2015. Tracy Porter had some very good game, though I suspect consensus opinion on him would be significantly different if the Packers receivers caught the ball on Thanksgiving. Bryce Callahan and Harold Jones-Quartey are both interesting and athletic. They showed flashes of being good players and the jury is still out how good they can be.

 The Bears really only added three players to the mix, two fourth round picks and a sixth-rounder. Not guys most teams would expect to start right away, but two of the three certainly have a chance for the Bears. They’re hoping Ed Donatell, one of the best secondary coaches in the sport, can help Deon Bush and Deiondré Hall outperform their draft statuses. Like Amos and HJQ, Bush is an exceptional athlete who likes to hit. DeAndre Houston-Carson is a wildcard.

 The reason they made it work last year and reason to think they’ll be good this year is because of good coaching. Donatell and Vic Fangio didn’t always have the most talented secondaries in San Francisco but you’d regularly see them stymie even the best passing offenses. What their players lacked in speed and ball skills, they made up for with their technique and discipline.

Realistically, it will probably take Fangio and Donatell another year until they can develop the raw athletes the Bears have into actual good defensive backs. When that happens, their defense could become elite. Until then, however, the secondary should still be a strength because Fangio and Donatell have consistently shown the ability to get disciplined and technically sound play.

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  • The Yes Guy

    Yes?

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    ALEX seems like a stat ripe for confounding effects.

    The reason teams may have thrown short of the 1st down marker on us, is that our linebackers were so fucking bad, the opposing backs and TEs were so wide fucking open it was trivial to RAC the first down.

    There is no rational way you look at last year’s tape, especially when we were Brock Vereening out there, that we had anything resembling a line that was hurrying the pass.

    • CanadaBear

      I thought the same thing about the Alex stat. WTF? I’m guessing if they wanted an advanced stat off of Alex it would read that the Bears were #1 in teams throwing short of the first down marker and were #32 in giving up the first down when the other team throws short of the first down marker.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Being #1 on an Alex Smith scale cannot be a good thing.

        • CanadaBear

          Glad he’s never been a Bear. Nothing against the guy but I would go nuts if he did the same shit for the Bears. Grow a pair and throw downfield once in a while.

          • MB30SD

            That and he looks like vadgers twin… how fucked is that. Poor guy

  • AlbertInTucson

    ALEX?

    Meh.

    GOFOTD is what I want to see.

    GETTING OFF FIELD ON THIRD DOWN.

    • CanadaBear

      Some of these advanced metrics are nothing but a bunch of hooey. Any stat that said the Bears D backfield was #1 in some category (that isn’t negative) is a stat that needs further investigation. It makes no sense. The eye test told you they weren’t very good. Fuller seems like just a guy, Porter had a decent season, Amos looked decent for a rookie and the other spot was up for grabs all year. Callahan had a nice, short run at nickel but that’s all. I’m optimistic the DB’s will be better this year but not convinced they are all that talented. I think Fangio and Donatell did their best to mask the deficiencies of this group.

      • Bender McLugh

        This, well said

      • SC Dave

        Some one just trying to earn a little fame with a new, shiny metric. Make a buck before the paint wears off and the Golden boy is just a styrofoam head

  • Scharfinator

    6 – 10 is the only metric I care about us improving.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Was this a great Copa for USMNT? No. Was it good? Absolutely.”

    Yep Absolute ZERO, which was how many shots on goal the USMNT managed last night.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Hard luck USA, up against it there (screamer from Messi, eh?).Heads held high, no shame at all reaching the semis. Chile will get revenge for you in the final.

      Ireland need to get a win against Italy’s second string in a couple of hours to move forward in the Euros. Their second team is probably still better than our first though.

      • Sactowns#1

        Ireland getting ready to play here in an hour. Hope the boys can do it!

      • Bender McLugh

        that shot was incredible, and not the first time Messi has done that in spectacular fashion of course. Still, I think Howard blocks that shot.

        • SC Dave

          I agree… it was a great shot, but Guzan was standing right there and did not get the ball.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Those shots can’t be saved. It was the perfect free kick.

          • SC Dave

            Yes, they can.

    • Bender McLugh

      can’t believe that when I heard it. How different would it have been if a healthy Altidore were on the field? Klinsman has gots to goes man

  • Irish Sweetness

    Last year we were dead last in the NFL against the run, 18th in pass rushing.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

    Fangio is not a blitzer. How will this affect our defense?

    From USATODAY:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/11/06/the-best-defenses-in-the-nfl-these-days-can-bring-the-blitz/75275350/

    “During a 27-14 victory over Miami in London on Oct. 4, the Jets used 22 blitzes just by their defensive backs, the most in any game in the league in the last five years, according to ESPN research. They had three sacks and two interceptions in that game.”

    Some teams excel against the blitz – David Carr and Dalton are the best in the NFL with ratings of 126 and 122 against the blitz. WIth the changing offenses in the NFL, blitzing may be the best way to counteract them.

    Although teams like the Panthers, Pats, Broncos and Hawks have top DVOAs yet all blitz less than average. They have top DBs though.

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/11/nfl-2015-season-emerging-trends-mmqb-robert-mays

    • CanadaBear

      Do you really believe the Bears would have been better off blitzing a lot last year? Look at that roster. It’s a miracle Fangio kept them in a lot of games.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Zimas-&-Zika (ButchDeadLift)

      You really want to blitz Vadgers with our secondary?

      I may not agree with a lot of Lovie philo, but I do agree the best way to beat elite QBs is to get consistent pressure with only 4.

      Blitz in spots, like in crucial downs or moments of the game (something Lovie didn’t do enough), but in order to be a blitzkrieg team, a D needs to have a premier stud like Polamulu, Reed, Mo, Revis, etc

      We don’t have that franchise stud yet.

      • MB30SD

        Agree

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    here is an interesting stat the Bears did not lose to any team they did not play last year.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    IMO that ALEX stat says more about the LB than the secondary. The LB were so bad in coverage the QBs knew they could pick up a 1st down with a checkdown more often than not.

    Also, that stat got named after Alex Smith because he throws short of the sticks on 3rd down so much. In 2015, he averaged throwing the ball 3.4 yards short of the chains on 3rd down. Blaine Gabbert was 2.7 yards short, nobody else was less than 1 yard short (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/alex/2016/alex-season-review).

    Oh Alex.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Zimas-&-Zika (ButchDeadLift)

      All teams had to do was run crossing routes and zip it by Shea or Christian Jone’s head.

      • CanadaBear

        If they happened to be in the neighborhood.

  • CanadaBear

    Just saw this on ESPN.

    The Bulls have traded guard Derrick Rose to New York for center Robin Lopez, guard Jerian Grant and guard Jose Calderson among others, source said.

    • BearDown100393

      The Bulls also traded his folding chair for a player to be named later and a roll of athletic tape.

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      Fuck Rose.

    • SC Dave

      Most minutes on the trainer’s table is not an important stat. Even if you’re really good… cf D Rose and M Brown

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Zimas-&-Zika (ButchDeadLift)

      Since NY is into inj proned players, maybe they can send us a good TE prospect for Alshon.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    Cards bombed the fuck outta Arietta, Cubs down 4-0 in the 6th. Jake pulled in the 5th

    Cards came to town with a giant FUCK YOU in mind. Get the broom out.

    • CanadaBear

      Not really. 5 IP, 4 hits, 4 walks, 6 k’s, 2 runs, 1 earned. Left due to the dreaded pitch count. Relievers have been gruesome.

      • Bender McLugh

        he didn’t have his goods. Now the cards are only 11.5 games back. super worried.

        • CanadaBear

          He’s definitely not at the level he was last year but Arrieta is still good. This Cubs team feels a lot like the ’85 Bears when it comes to bandwagon fans. That was the only downside to the Beloved winning the SB. Cubs “fans” are coming out of the woodwork. Oh well.

          • Bender McLugh

            can’t really blame them honestly, but I hear ya

    • SC Dave

      Cardinals are THE franchise of the NL, and there is no competition.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    So there’s a distinct possibility that Donald was just running for Pres as a money making venture for his businesses.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/22/you-could-end-up-paying-for-donald-trump-s-terrible-campaign-literally.html

    Gotzta Hans Gruber that motherfucker:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqasAIyGeBU

    • SC Dave

      Daily Beast? Oh yeah, I’m a believer now!

      • Sactowns#1

        Between June 2015 and the end of that year, Trump’s campaign spent $2.2 million on Trump-owned businesses, including on Tag Air Inc., an airline where Trump is the CEO. This is indisputable and can be found in his FEC filing if you don’t believe it.

        • SC Dave

          Who cares? The money would be spent either way. At least it’s traceable directly, unlike the underground billions the Clinton’s likely have

          • Sactowns#1

            I guess you don’t care if he’s ripping people off to line his own pockets. Some people thinking its a slimeball move.

          • willbest

            He is ripping people off? Jeb! Transferred 120 mil of OPM to his crony consultant machine. Isnt the Bern pushing 250 mil at this point? Surely you aren’t asking to hold Trump to a higher standard than any other politician.

          • Sactowns#1

            Please tell me when Bernie has paid $2mil to his own companies.

          • Bender McLugh

            HAHAHAHAH “…the Clintons likely have.”

            Oh man, I needed a good laugh, thanks Dave.

        • SC Dave

          In *his FEC filing*. The difference between the abjectly corrupt Clintons and Trump.

          It’s there where you can see it, not hidden and not to be investigated by Obama’said lawless administration..

          • disqus_rE3nEiWJk6

            fuck you

  • Irish Sweetness
    • willbest

      Woody Allen is into his adopted children, people still talk glowingly of him.

      • MB30SD

        They are/were both sick fucks. Jackson should have been savagely beaten to death by inmates during his second week in prison.

        Woody Allen is just a broken little troll.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Sorry, but I believe around here MJ stands for Michael Jordan.

      Please find another shorthand for Mr. Jackson.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Ooops. Sorry. Yes, Wacko Jacko.

    • Bender McLugh

      telegraph……’nough said

  • Irish Sweetness

    Italy 0 – 1 Rep. of Ireland

    The French are up next and they owe us one.

    • Sactowns#1

      Yup yup! The boys did it!! Now lets hope they can squeeze into the 3 seed.
      Were you able to watch it Irish?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Oh yeah, went to bed at 4.00 A.M. happy as fuck. We were all over them for 90 minutes.

        If we beat France (don’t laugh), we get …. ENGERLAAAAND !!!!

        • Sactowns#1

          Did you see half the dirt the Italians were doing? Putting guys in headlocks during corner kicks should probably be noticeable to the refs but oh well. They came out with the win and some great momentum.

    • SC Dave

      Fuck yeah

    • CanadaBear

      I don’t give a shit about soccer but I hope Ireland wins.

  • SC Dave

    Ireland > Italy, at least for one match.

    Woot!

  • SC Dave

    On D Rose… who cares? Guys that can’t stay on the floor don’t matter

    • AlbertInTucson

      Derrick Rose. The Chris Chandler of the NBA…?

    • Bender McLugh

      it is a bit sadder when it’s a hometown kid, but good night & good luck D Rose.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Zimas-&-Zika (ButchDeadLift)

    LMAO. ALEX

    That was worth the read right there, Andy.

    Huddle transcripts.

    “Ok, guys. Everyone run hooks and slants. I won’t throw it to u if ur a WR, but just run the routes anyways, but make sure to comeback before the 1st down marker.”

    Small-ball on 3. Break!”

    When Cutty quit and became “Constipated Cutty” making Forte catch more balls then some #1 WRs and Thai hookers, it was INFURIATING.

    I would rather he reverted back to throwing into triple coverage hoping Alshon or Bmarsh could snag it down.

    At least that version was more exciting.

    I can’t imagine a whole career of constipation. Must be tough be a Chief’s fan.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Zimas-&-Zika (ButchDeadLift)

    I think ppl get too down on Porter.

    He’s not a JAG. Yes, he’s older, and no Revis (then again, look at what ODB did to Revis), but he seems to make big plays in big moments (as we should all remember first hand).

    Some guys just got that Xfactor.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTqXyxvTh0c

    He’ll get burned like any other CB, but what other CB would you want it to be thrown at in a game winning moment – Vereen, Callahan, or Porter?

  • You’re about to get Jericho’d

    Oh Hell No:
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-alleging-omar-mateen-former-000000045.html
    Mateen got double teamed by some Ricans and then snapped when one came out as HIV+????
    Problem is we’ll never really know if it was one thing or another or a combo of everything mixed up in the crazy bowl and that he was damaged goods from the jump as a teen.

    • willbest

      It’s impetrative for the left that this be about self loathing gay hate and not about Muslim proclivities for killing gays wherever the religion dominates politically.

      There was also a story about a Muslim acquaintance that informed of his radicalization after the Syrian suicide bomber did his thing.

      Love that the AG couldn’t confirm if the wife was still in Florida.

      • Cormonster

        He’s not a true Muslim. Islam is a religion of peace, Islam is a religion of peace, Islam is a religion of peace,…..

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      I spit my Tradewind all over my Macbook when I read that hashtag. Jesus.

  • BuddhaJoe

    I really wish I could buy that but no. Just no. I like Amos and hope that Fuller can improve but the secondary sucked. They re-upped Tracy Porter for fucks sake, that should be all you you need to know.

    • Bender McLugh

      Porter was very good down the stretch, don’t forget that.

  • You’re about to get Jericho’d

    I want these young corners and safeties to be coached up man, aggressive and intense like puerto rican go go boys on mateen. Fucking bracketing, airtight bracketing.

    • BuddhaJoe

      Pretty sure that’s just wrong.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        i pretty sure it can’t be more right.

        • MB30SD

          If it is wrong, I don’t wanna be right

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    30-fer-30 on Detroit Bad Boys was pretty good, except that Kid Rock narrated it and his ciggy addled vocal chords messed up clean narration. I kept trying to imagine Will Lyman just burying that narration.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    WOW! You can be penalized in soccer for farting! what the fuck kind of sport is that?

    http://screamer.deadspin.com/swedish-soccer-player-sent-off-for-ripping-a-big-ol-far-1782451188

    • AlbertInTucson

      I would be in DEEP trouble.

    • willbest

      Can’t have the players queefing on the field, children are watching after all

  • AlbertInTucson

    AND the 4-Letter continues to beat the dead horse that is Tiger Woods’ career.

    Under “News” on tonight’s bottom line:” Tiger Woods says he’s not in shape to return to the PGA tour”… blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada.

    Yo, ESPN! That is still NOT news.

    Oh, and Generalissimo Francisco Franco is STILL very seriously dead.

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      78 blog points for Garrett Morris reference.

  • Darlenejlee3
    • disqus_rE3nEiWJk6

      I said fuck you

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        he said fuck you

  • willbest

    So Brexit could be the most significant event this year which is impressive when there is a US presidential election.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Should be good. I hope they leave and we follow, at least out of the eurozone.

      Irish’s plan for rebuilding a nation:

      Being an island, not surprisingly, Ireland is surrounded by water. Nice cool atlantic water, from which we are only allowed take 20% of the fish because of EU quotas. Norwegian and Spanish factory ships come over and hoover up all the fish. Any fish that does get taken by Ireland, is frozen and immediately shipped off to Europe. There aren’t any processing plants in the country. Unbelievable right? All the value-added is lost. I’d kick everyone out of our waters, build processing plants near the harbours – creating lots of jobs, re-issue the Irish currency and pay off all our debts with it. Anyone who doesn’t want to take the Irish Punt can whistle for their cash.

      Even if nobody in Europe wanted to have anything to do with us, we’d have the Brits to take all of our Beef, fish, poultry etc. Symbiosis, just like it used to be. GB & IRE could be an oasis in the EU desert of shit, as they all take in refugees they can’t afford, follow rules that don’t help them, and continue to sell their people out to the banksters.

      Piece of piss. I sent Sinn Fein a manifesto they’d get elected on in a landslide. Emailed it to the lot of them. Not one reply.

      (shrugs)

      I did try.

      • Sactowns#1

        Did you send it to Gerry personally?

      • CanadaBear

        The tricky part is kicking everyone out of your waters. Good luck with that.

  • lovemybears

    this whole article about the secondary is just wishful thinking. really poorly written.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      that is what the off season is all about. wishful thinking and boobs.

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny
        • Swing Tackle of Destiny
          • Swing Tackle of Destiny
          • MB30SD

            I’ve never had a true redhead… it’s on my list.

          • Swing Tackle of Destiny

            This list would be fascinating to see.

          • MB30SD

            Hahaha, get my number and I’ll text you… or get some jetpacks and let’s roll

          • CanadaBear

            How is that possible? I’ve had sex with 3 redheads and I’m quite certain you’ve bedded more women (exponentially??) than me. FWIW, two of them were terrible in the sack (just laid there) and the other one was crazy.

          • MB30SD

            I have, but not full fire red… more strawberry blond.

            And at this point probably. I’ve been a friggin manwhore for the last 4 yrs. Dont care about bragging, it just is what it is. Hahaha

          • CanadaBear

            She might need to eat a sandwich once in a while. Big boobs for being so skinny. Probably would be huge if she put on some weight.

          • MB30SD

            Not physiological possible. They’re fake, or that’s one great touch up/photoshop artist

        • MB30SD

          How in God’s name can dude’s be ass men… how, how, how.

          Look at all three of these. My goodness gracious.

          I. Love. Boobies.

          • Swing Tackle of Destiny

            can’t you be both?

          • MB30SD

            Jes, but it’s different.

            My love for boobies transcends. Asses are great, but can’t wank it to just an ass. And as long as it’s not all dimpley and gross, I just don’t care that much, as long as the rest is nice. I’ve “dated” a 6 for a few times just cause here boobs were a 12 (huge, firm, pretty nipples). You can like both, but deep down, in your heart, you’re either an ass man or a boob guy.

            Which are you GP

          • Swing Tackle of Destiny

            False dichotomy.

            It’s about deal breakers. Cottage cheese ass, even with pretty face and nice tits? Out. Flat chest but world class ass and pretty? Meh.

            As I get older, I appreciate the C and D cup more. I dated a chick years ago that looked like Marissa Tomei. Real pretty, slight Italian look but not too Italian. Not Jersey Shore. But no chest and flat ass. It was just too ‘meh’. She was pretty, but the bod was ‘meh’.

            It’s a whole package thing.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            MB, I love me some big titties, don’t get me wrong. My Wife has an award winning set, and if I’m being honest it’s probably the first thing that attracted me to her. But when it comes to the act of actual fucking, they don’t bring much to the table. In fact they can be a liability with the flopping and the swaying and what have you. A nice firm ass on the other hand can bring some nice bounce back to the act and actually improve the fucking. So, i’m a Titty man for aesthetics, and an assman for practicality.

          • MB30SD

            I shall submit my thesis sometime today.

            And I’m glad you’ve finally forgiven me for my weakness. Nice to have you back

          • MB30SD

            I am totally different. I HAVE to have nice titties to really get off. Girls with pancakes or super small ones just don’t do it for me and I lose interest very fast coach. like in the middle of things if they’re bad. I just tap out and call it a night.

            In fact, I lose interest after about 3 or 4 times regardless… unless there’s a long break in between, so I have other issues at this point. A few of my chick friends think I’m addicted to strange, and only strange. I’m beginning to think they may be right… so when I chick isn’t strange AND she doesn’t have a body type that I absolutely love, it means instant death of interest.

            that and we’re different… I like doggy, but it’s so disconnected from the girl. My favorite position is sitting girl on top (second is lying girl on top). So you have access to everything… reach around and grab some ass/play with her but, titties in your face, kissing, pulling hair, toughing tummy, helping her by rubbing the bean… it’s ALL right there for you my maingses.

            There’s nothing out of reach. So for me having a great rack is super important cause it’s a visual thing and a tactile thing… great boobs just super charge any and all sexual experiences… especially my favorite ones.

            So there it is. Asses are nice, boobs are imperative.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            You make quite the case MB. You are a tit man above all other tit men. King of Tits if you will. Man I sure do miss the strange!

          • MB30SD

            yes, yes you do… but the family life… it is good no?

            Nothing like a happy nuclear family. If I had the choice between having my ex not be loony toons so we could have stayed together as a family happily ever after… and the boatloads of strange for the last 4 years, it’s not even a second’s hesitation. I get my family back.

            Not, in the real world, she is cray and it was the best decisions I’ve ever made for my kids and I (and her)… that and the strange has been amazing. hee hee

          • Scharfinator

            For me, a good ass signifies fitness. Good boobs don’t.

            Performance matters, wouldn’t you agree? 🙂

          • MB30SD

            Yes, if you want the best marker for fitness on chicks…. arms. Dead giveaway erra time. You’re welcome.

            And just ask if they do squats. If they do, more often than not they fitness.

          • Scharfinator

            You should be able to tell if they do squats 😉

          • MB30SD

            Bitches know how to use angles maings

          • Sactowns#1

            This is true but it doesn’t help against the dreaded “skinny fat”. We’ve all had one, a chick who is fairly skinny yet has zero muscle tone and is just squishy all over. She looks skinny but she’s just bones and cellulite.

          • MB30SD

            yuck

        • Bender McLugh

          yowsa

      • SC Dave

        Are boobs EVER off season?

        • MB30SD

          Never ever ever dave… ever

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          no they are not, but i got a couple links to see boobs, so my mission was accomplished.

        • Scharfinator

          AMEN

      • lovemybears

        And, in this case, poor writing.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          let’s see you do better

          • lovemybears

            I do every day here. Unlike you, i finished school and can write coherently.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Where? I have seen about 5 posts from you on this site and they all seem very trollish in nature. So forgive me for not being able to ascertain your level of education or your ability to form a coherent argument based on your fascinating posts.

          • lovemybears

            You could never attain my level of education. It is quite obvious from your posts that you are just not smart enough. You appear to be one of the poorly educated that trump loves so much.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Awe, you are so cute, trying to be a bad ass.

          • lovemybears

            Go get a hug from mommy little boy.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Your mom is currently preoccupied sucking me off, when she finishes I will give her that hug. Anything else you want me to tell her.

          • lovemybears

            5 year old comment. Reporting and blocking you.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            LOL! what do you expect from such an uneducated person as myself. I mean seriously you are an fucking idiot. Go home and cry to your mommy, make sure she wipes my jizz off her face.

    • MB30SD

      Well then you obviously don’t love your bears that much. False advertising sir.

      • Scharfinator

        #sickburn

      • lovemybears

        wah wah wah. whiner.

  • Irish Sweetness

    On top of watching 3 soccer games yesterday, I must say I enjoyed Drumpf’s speech.

    He will fix America by making it great again apparently. Jobs, jobs, jobs. Good jobs. More cops. more military. Didn’t say how he’d pay for any of it, especially after lowering taxes, but that’s just details I guess. Didn’t actually explain how he’s going to do any of it, but again, details schmetails.

    How he unloaded on Hilary was priceless though. Even Chelsea would have de-friended her on facebook after that. The gloves are most definitely off.

    I watched Hilary’s speech too, but she didn’t do a rebuttal of Drumpf’s barrage because it was all true.
    Her mouth was moving, but your brain just filters them all out because it’s pure drek.

    This fool, or that twat. Democracy, eh?

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      meh

    • AlbertInTucson

      The press corps is all but on her payroll and she still hasn’t held a press conference in like, 200 days.

      • willbest

        I have come to the conclusion that questioning the president is too important a job to leave to professionals. It should be jury duty like now, the prez should have no choice in it and the person should get a dozen follow-ups.

    • willbest

      Well it got Ben Shapiro’s vag wet so the neocons might be ready to end their hissy fit.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    Batfleck loses his shit over Deflategate

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhEqsNYLaSM

    Maybe it comes from wearing the cowl, but his head looks strangely inflated. Like he came from the dentist shot up on novacaine.

    • Bender McLugh

      HGH is a powerful drug

    • CanadaBear

      I thought his head looked enormous last night. I wasn’t sure if he had put on weight (looked like it) or what. I didn’t agree with him but I thought the rant was funny.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    Tee hee:

    Forex is not accepting stop-loss orders today. Chutes and ladders anyone?

    • SC Dave

      Really???

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    So Mateen was tag teamed like the Iron Sheikh against Superfly Snooka and Rowdy Roddy. But yet there’s Ted Cruz saying it’s not about gun control, it’s about Islamic Jihad in this country. Except it isn’t.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Exactly my friend. Orlando was another excuse for racists to kick off about Muslims … and it turns out the guy caught HIV from bumming … and got angry about it so he went back and killed them all just to make sure he got the guy that did it.

  • Sactowns#1

    For anyone who doesn’t think electric cars will be all we drive in the near future http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/student-built-electric-car-crushes-0-60-mph-record-with-1782438881

    • Bender McLugh

      I cannot wait until we can finally bow down before our robot overlords.

      • Sactowns#1

        Nah, I’m looking forward to the alien invasion. “Kneel before Zod!”

      • MB30SD

        Meh, this is allllll about fucking the A-rabs out of the only source of any value. Now what mofos… add some global value without dinosaur bones bitches! ; )

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      I think electric cars will be all the AI drives in the future.

      I currently drive a Nissan Leaf. It’s awesome. Costs about $10 a month to run for the 400-500 miles a month we put on it. Accelerates and handles great. Never have to get oil changes, nothing has to be replaced but brakes and tires.

      And it was cheaper to buy than comparable traditional vehicles, even though it’s really well reviewed. We got it 3 years old, 20k miles on it, for around $10,000. When it first came out, everybody leased to play it safe. Cost dropped so much that, by the time the lease ended, it was about the same price to buy the used car or buy a brand new one. So all the leased ones hit the used market, making them nice and cheap for a fairly new and reliable car.

      Of course, it only goes about 90 miles at a time, less on the highway. So it’s an ideal 2nd car, wouldn’t be good if it was your only car.

      • Sactowns#1

        I want a Tesla but I just cant bring myself to spend $60k on one car when I can have 3-4 cars for the same $$.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          I would love a Tesla. park next to one at the charge station every day at work. So nice looking, and the battery goes about 2x as far as the Leaf.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I’m not a car guy but the Tesla looks cool. That acceleration!

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDO9blfpCS4

          It would obviously be cooler without a chick in the car making noise.

  • Bender McLugh
    • Bender McLugh

      hahah roller……..I see what I accidentally did there……….

      • CanadaBear

        It’s just a matter of time. At some point all the bought off pols will take a back seat to all the pols looking at the tax money available.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    What do you all the spot between a women’s vagina and her asshole?

    • CanadaBear

      It’s gotta be a taint.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      The Driving Range. Because that is where i hit my balls…

    • MB30SD

      Perfect!

    • Johnnywad

      I’d call it a good starting point Coach. Long time no see.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I thought that was going to be “What do you call the fleshy part around the vagina?”

      The woman. Bada-tish!

  • MB30SD

    Dude… I am SOOOO buying this when it comes out. LOVE the suv truck hybrids… even the old hummer one.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-sports/future-cars-2017-and-beyond/ss-BBt7nlu#image=26

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      Looks good.

    • RenoBear

      Badass

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    I tell ya my wife… it’s always something.. I called her up and I said “I’m thinking about the last time we had sex, I’m getting excited.” She said “who is this?”

    When I courted my wife, she said “come on over, there’s nobody home.” I went over – there was nobody home!

    I shouldn’t tell jokes about my wife, she’s attached to a machine that keeps her alive. The refrigerator!

    BOOM!

    My wife she can’t cook either, at my house we pray after we eat.

    • CanadaBear

      No respect!

    • MB30SD

      So I says to my wife, I says… man you have a big pussy… man you have a big pussy.

      She says, why’d you say it twice??

      I says… I didn’t.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Alex I’ll take what does Hawkins say to Billy in ‘Predator’ for 500 ….

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    MB –

    Here ya go. I expect you’ll already have your order in…

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/news/1017949/aston-martin-vanquish-zagato-coupe-is-go

    • CanadaBear

      Those taillights are begging to be broken.

    • MB30SD

      nice looking rig. My bro will love it.

      And canada, for only $10,000 each you can replace them

    • Scharfinator

      What a beauty! Though I imagine I’m too tall for it – too tall for most sports cars.

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        You could be a 911 man like me.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    You know my Forex comment?

    Yeah. Now leave is winning as the polls roll in, and the pound is going to PLUMMET.

    August or Sept would make an excellent time to visit the UK. Your buck will go a long way in about 24 hours. With stop-loss orders negated, there will be fortunes lost and won in the next 24h as those options expire.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Don’t assume Britain leaves Eurupe just because a referendum was held. Ireland voted not to ratify the Maastricht treaty. We said NO> The government came back and said “Well, you didn’t give us the right answer … ummm … we’ll try that again.” They paid sports star sheep millions to campaign for a YES vote and held the referendum again. The sheeple voted YES this time.

      David Cameron is under no obligation to leave the EC no matter what a referendum says.

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    My kids are in bed. Gold is up $60/oz. in the last hour.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The Rothschilds got 5% richer in 60 minutes. 3 Trillion dollars? 5 ???

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny

        Fucking marble inlay lobby for the Chinese Moonbase, brother!

    • SC Dave

      I shorted the pound yesterday. But, as with all great winners, with too few dollars.

  • Irish Sweetness

    5 fantasy teams and counting. too soon? As if ….

    Boobie Williams is my dark horse for this year. 5.6 YPC last year, 7 TDs in his first 6 games.

    Anyone watch that Notre Dame documentary? They look like children, it’s weird. Grown ass men, but they all look baby-faced. I know I’ve got grey whiskers, but damn. Sheldon Day looks like a quality kid to have on your side. I don’t know that Jaylon Smith has the mentality to be a leader in the NFL though.
    We should give that D-lineman Jerry Tillery a look in a few years. Good kid. Smart. Maybe their QB that got injured might be worth a look-see too? Malik Zaire. We need to be thinking about Cutty’s replacement. They’re freshmen now.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    Since the UK voted to bounce out of the EU lets take a moment to admire other things that bounce.

    http://thechive.com/2016/06/23/things-that-bounce-thursday-17-gifs-11/

    • Irish Sweetness

      That’s the Aryan nation taken care of … where da sistahs at ?

      • Swing Tackle of Destiny
        • Irish Sweetness

          Oh Lordy my me … I’ll be back in a minute ……

          • MB30SD

            Irish, are you classic irish? Red hair, freckles, etc… ?

          • Scharfinator

            Ahh, I see MB does not discriminate when it comes to bucket list redhead… Man or woman.

            Eh, whatever suits you… maings?

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha…. always weemangses. nothing against gay dudes, I don’t care who you fuck, but I like vagina.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            Red hair and freckles is classic cartoon irish.

          • MB30SD

            I know, was fucking with him.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Watching the Notre Dame documentary that followed them for a season is astounding. They have that guy dancing around the sidelines, and then they put the fucking leprechaun on the helmet itself. It’s way worse than the Washington Redskins. I mean putting an offensive racial stereotype on the helmet … Jesus.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That would be Scottish/Viking, and no.

    • MB30SD

      Red, green, black bikinis. ♡♡♡♡

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    “They’re angry over borders, they’re angry over people coming into the country and taking over, nobody even knows who they are,” Trump said, echoing the populist pitch he has made in the United States. “They’re angry about many, many things. They took back control of their country. It’s a great thing. More people will come to Turnberry. It will only be positive. ” -Trump this mornin’

    Turnberry is his golf course in Scotland.

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      haha, why is he mentioning Turnberry in the same thought. Is this guy brain damaged? Can he not even keep one singular thought going?

      • Irish Sweetness

        In fairness, he was making the speech at Turnberry, with the clubhouse in the background .I was just watching it. He actually blamed Brexit on Obama.

        • Big Mike

          The guy is a joke. In my opinion, Trump and Brexit are what you get when a larger portion of the bottom 1/2 of your high school class votes, than the top 1/2.

          • willbest

            Don’t see where Brexit is all that bad for Britain. Temporary economic hit, long term better control of country.

          • Big Mike

            Isolationism never works. The impact of this on global markets will take years to recover from

          • willbest

            Isolationism? You are cracked. There is a big difference between sealing your border and letting nothing and no one in and out, and giving up your sovereignty to a bunch of unelected autocrats that don’t give two shits about anybody but themselves.

            Same goes for the US, we are at about a 7.5 in the busybody department. World will get along just fine if we dialed it back to a 5.

          • Big Mike

            Carry on. Live in your bubble

          • Irish Sweetness

            In fairness Mike, two fingers to global markets, got to look after your own. All they’re doing is saying they want to regulate themselves. They want independence form a system that NEVER worked, doesn’t work, and is good nor nobody. Not ONE country in Europe is prosperous. Everyone is in debt. Only the banks win.

          • Big Mike

            Local Markets are Global markets. The 1900s are gone. The simple truth is this measure carried because of immigration. I’m a social liberal. I have a background in public policy and economics. So what I’m going to say next is not racist. Its just what the numbers show. This is a population issue. There are simply too many muslims, indians, pakistanis and so on for europe or america to retain their historic look, feel and culture. It’s uncomfortable, but their countries can’t sustain their populations. So they will continue to migrate. This pisses a lot of people off. On average, the people migrating are better off (or else they wouldn’t leave). The country where people are migrating to, have to turn this new resource of people into net contributors. This works when economies are expanding. New guys go to the bottom of the food chain, make their contribution and those that are worthy move up. If there is no room on the food chain, someone gets bumped, or the country has to pick up the slack.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The thing is, nobody has a clue what the overall result will be. This has never happened before. The EU laws and policies are insane and unworkable – they are thought up by committee in the absence of logic or rationality. They have taken control of their nation back and fair play to them, I hope Ireland follows them out.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Zimas-&-Zika (ButchDeadLift)
  • Swing Tackle of Destiny
    • MB30SD

      Thank you sir… may, i, have…. another.

      That first one ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡

  • CanadaBear

    Some of this article is a good read. Part 5 is garbage but the rest of it is interesting.

    http://nfcnbarroom.com/jay-cutler-anatomy-sports-hate/

  • CanadaBear

    Check out the pic of Fox in college. He’s #18 on the list.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/16378780/ranking-nfl-head-coaches-players-32-1

    • Sactowns#1

      “Hey man can I get a lid of Maui Wowie?”

  • Jack Lacan

    Apparently Ben Affleck has a significant other.
    “The horror, the horror…” Joseph Conrad

  • Sactowns#1

    So if the Brexit occurs it will be the best opportunity for a free and united Ireland in quite some time. If the Brexit goes through physical borders would have to be erected, agreements about fishing in Irish waters would have to be ironed out, passports where you used to just cross the street etc. I think the people of Northern Ireland would prob support a united Ireland under those circumstances.

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      The Scots will re-up on Independence soon.

    • SC Dave

      I guess we’ll see.

    • willbest

      Do the Irish still consider a marriage between a protestant and catholic Irish couple interracial?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Two reasons I want out of Europe and the Eurozone :

      1. Take our waters back.

      2. Government Issue and control of our own currency.

      We could be totally self sufficient trading with the UK alone, whereas the rest of Europe need our produce.

  • RenoBear

    Boom. ESPN reporting that NFL finally going after Peppers, Matthews, Neal etc for PEDs.. Hahaha fuck the Packers… Don’t have link, just saw ‘breaking news developing story’ on the four-letter

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      Link? Not seeing anything on ESPN or Twitter.

  • MB30SD

    GP, check this thing out: http://uncrate.com/stuff/the-mill-blackbird-transformable-car-rig/

    Super interesting. watch the video

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      fascinating. They can graft any car into a chase sequence using the Forza models.

      Totally changes how one thinks about Fast n Furious.

    • Bender McLugh

      Saw this, gotta love the engineering

  • AlbertInTucson

    Blackhawks send Andrew Shaw to Montreal fora pair of #2s . #39 and #45 picks.

    Always liked Shaw. He was a real pain for the other team.

    • BearDown100393

      His raise demand more or less equated to a trade demand. The salary cap worked against the Hawks and now he belongs to Montreal. More of a playoff money guy than a consistent regular season performer.

      • AlbertInTucson

        His was always a presence in front of the other guy’s net. But the Blackhawks do not hesitate when pushed against the cap.

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        His raise demand was equal to the importance of his presence on the ice. He was incredibly consistent and i guarantee you that Coach Q is fucking livid right now. This is a huge blow to the Hawks…YUGE.

        • Bender McLugh

          Worse than losing Sharp without a doubt

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            Needed sharps scoring last year. Got bounced in 1st rd as a result. No vermette or richards type performances to step up.

          • Bender McLugh

            Agreed, but Shaw’s all around game & hard as nails toughness will be missed

  • EnderWiggin

    No more Star Wars museum near Soldier. This is a good thing, neh?

  • You’re about to get Jericho’d

    GP, the wife just gave me the green light on a cute little boxster convertible for summertime chicago driving. Just called up the mechanic and he agreed to go with me if I bought him lunch. I hope to pick it up for 5,500 and put about 2500 to 3,000 of fixing into it. It’s got 150,000 miles on it but i only drive about 3500 miles per year so this may work out.
    I had to agree to take the train in the winter though but it may be worth it.

    • CanadaBear

      You know you’re going to take an enormous amount of shit about driving a chick car.

      • MB30SD

        Baaaahahahahahaha… shhhhhhhhhh!

        • CanadaBear

          I would happily eat that kind of shit if I somehow became the owner of a Boxster. Wouldn’t spend the money on one but it sure would be fun to run around in it.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            Haha, i accidentally went straight from work to a sox game with a pink polo shirt on.
            It was like playing out every southside stereotype in less than 3hrs.

          • CanadaBear

            Was that at Comiskey or the launching pad? Either way, I’m sure you were the target of some scorn.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            The cell. Ive only been on the southside for 9yrs. It was sad and amusing.

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        Lol i know but its so cheap . At least its not a miata

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      Hey a Porsche is a Porsche.

      http://3-photos4.ebizautos.com/used-2008-porsche-boxster-convertible-1186-11828683-3-400.jpg

      Nice choice. Tie a cardigan around your waist, name yourself Biff and tell people you trade Derivatives.

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        Im wearing wayfarers in my license photo.

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        That did not go well. The guy lied about the condition, my mechanic noticed signs of a major accident, the clutch is fizzucked, tons of knick knack issues, bald tires, etc. This car was not taken care of by a Porsche Owner.
        This will get your porsche penis wet….we are now redirecting our search to various 94 RS America models. Sorry for even fucking mentioning the boxster. I’m kind of ashamed.

        • Swing Tackle of Destiny

          A properly maintained 964 will set you back.

          If you want to do this properly, get a login on Rennslist and walk the for sale there. A 911 SC is where you want to go.

          • You’re about to get Jericho’d

            You are like my 911 mentor. Your advice is much appreciated and I will definitely get a log in to start searching.

        • CanadaBear

          That’s disappointing.

    • Sactowns#1

      My buddy is selling his Porsche. Looks just like this. Needs some clutch work but I think he’s only asking $14k http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/5592885283.html

    • Sactowns#1

      Sure it looks like a Celica and you have to prop the trunk open with a stick but it’s still technically a Porsche. http://chico.craigslist.org/cto/5607373560.html
      Sure it looks like a Celica and you have to prop the trunk open with a stick but it’s still technically a Porsche.

  • CanadaBear

    Here’s a nice article about the Bears and Alshon trying to hammer out a contract. Some of the stats are interesting.

    http://nfcnbarroom.com/alshon-jeffery-contract-update-10215-2/

  • CanadaBear

    Here’s a little positive ink for Pernell McPhee.

    http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/06/24/pernell-mcphee-bears

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      Pretty great film breakdown of his strengths and weaknesses here too: http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2016/6/25/12026358/chicago-bears-pernell-mcphee-is-a-grown-ass-man

    • You’re about to get Jericho’d

      Scary that hes still recovering from knee surgery though

      • CanadaBear

        That’s par for the course with the Bears. Back in the day they truly had a horrible medical staff. I’m guessing that’s not the case now but the same old lingering medical issues still seem to be an issue.

  • Irish Sweetness

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    For people who love Northern Ireland, this headline is scary.

    “Sinn Féin wants a vote on a united Ireland after Brexit…”

    The vote we should have is on following the UK out of Europe and the Euro. They are on point about sorting out the situation – Northern Ireland is unconstitutional, there is no such thing, and why I still don’t refer to either the Republic or Norn Iron. There is only only Ireland, or Eire, all 32 counties.

    What Brexit mans for Northern Ireland in the short run, is the borders going back up, now that’s sad.

    • Sactowns#1

      Here’s hoping for a free and united Ireland.

  • Jack Lacan

    Dollar up – Pound down… Win-win. Goodbye Abbey Road…
    “Marching morons”…

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      It’s goodbye Yellow Brick Road. Elton John, you silly git.

  • Jack Lacan

    “Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves
    Britannia never, never shall be…” Oh fuck you in
    “England’s green and pleasant land…”

  • Irish Sweetness

    “Clinton never used a government account that was set up for her, instead continuing to rely on her private server until leaving office.”

    Fkn unbelievable. Occam’s razor? She didn’t know how ….

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/aeb50a252e754647bc0c5a18c15c2502/clinton-failed-hand-over-key-email-state-department

    • willbest

      Yes well Trump is a racist, and he spends the $50 million he loaned himself on his own businesses

      • SC Dave

        What are the terms of the loan?

        • willbest

          Complicated. He loaned his campaign money instead of giving it to it. This allows him to pay back the loan out of campaign contributions from other people. There is a sunset on that, I think its when he is officially the nominee he can no longer pay himself back. But he isn’t exactly aggressively fundraising right now.
          The issue from a few days ago was that he used his campaign money to purchase services from his own companies. For example, his airline company to fly him around rather than putting out say a competitive bid and getting some 3rd party options.
          The reason people were making a stink over this is because 25% of his campaign funds or so comes from other people. So the claim is he took their money and gave it to himself (well if we are being absolutely fair the pilot, mechanic, fuel suppliers, airport, etc with some % as profit back to him and his other investors.
          This is of course a nonsensical objection. Every politician hires the consulting companies of their biggest financial bundlers. Trump just happens to be his own biggest bundler. They also give plush ambassadorships and CV building commission assignments to their most loyal supporters. No doubt liberals will find this deeply disturbing when President Trump does the same thing after 8 years of ignoring it.

      • AlbertInTucson

        “Trump is a Racist”.

        Anybody who disagrees with the Democrats is a “Racist/Homophobe/Nazi”.

        That’s their mantra.

        • Sactowns#1

          I say if fiscal conservatism appeals to you I can understand but if the social engineering side of republicanism appeals to someone then they probably are a racist, sexist or homophobe.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I don’t see securing our border as “Social Engineering”.

            For me, this election is about 2 things:

            Border security and Jobs.

            I’ll throw in who’s going to be naming Supremes, too because I don’t want a Supreme Court that says it’s OK for a President wants to trash the concept of 3 branch govenment so he/she just make up his/her own laws and selectively enforce the existing ones.

            As for jobs, Bill Clinton gave us NAFTA and we’ve been hemorrhaging jobs ever since.

          • Sactowns#1

            I’m a capitalist and believe in free markets, including labor.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I believe in immigration. I’m only 2nd gen American on both sides of my family. My grandparents all came thru Ellis Island. They took the classes and became naturalized citizens.

            But the concept of just let’m cross wherever, whenever and sign-up for taxpayer benefits and be governed by their own set of laws is an RX for disaster.

          • SC Dave

            I believe in the rule of law. LEGAL immigration is fine with me.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I have no use for the Religious Right.

        • CanadaBear

          That’s a bit of a stretch Al.

          • AlbertInTucson

            We disagree.

          • CanadaBear

            I’d say the RR is better organized.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The Dems march in lockstep. Look at the Super Delegates.

            That Sanders ever had a chance was an illusion.

          • CanadaBear

            Deck was stacked, no doubt. Dirty politics is universal.

          • SC Dave

            Actually, not much of a stretch at all, Canada.

          • CanadaBear

            It certainly is among my friends.

        • willbest

          Yes, apparently parents stopped reading Aesop’s tales to their children a generation or two ago.

  • willbest

    I have finished my road trip through Pennsylvania. First the positives, I rather enjoyed Pittsburg, going through the Fort Pitt Tunnel and having the city just appear out of nowhere is neat. The PA state park system also seems really well run. Got some very nice hiking done in Ricketts Glenn although it had been a while since there was good rain so the waterfalls were looking a little weak. The state is gorgeous, to the point where even driving on the interstate is reasonably pleasurable unlike Ohio/Indiana where I can’t wait for the autopilot feature so I can just take a nap. Philly was kind of meh.
    Now for my QQ. My youth was spent camping Colorado/Utah/Wyoming/Montana. So I don’t know if this is an east coast/ west coast thing or just indicative of the decline of outdoor culture. But several things bothered me
    1) Not saying “hi” while passing people on the trail to the point where people looked down to avoid eye contact.
    2) Crossing through other people’s campsites to the bathroom. When did this become a thing people did? Sure unused campsites, but if somebody was in it, you swung clear.
    3) Throwing out your garbage in the bathroom trash can rather than the dumpster at the camp entrance.
    4) The amount of litter I was able to pick out of my campsite that wasn’t produced by me was a bit staggering. I picked up 12 beer caps out of 1 campsite which was doubly bothersome because alcohol is prohibited in PA state parks.

    • beninnorcal

      People are dicks.

      • willbest

        Didn’t used to be like that

        • Sactowns#1

          Yeah it used to be worse. Just listen to your crazy old uncle or racist old aunt next thanksgiving and then tell me people in the past were better. lol

          • CanadaBear

            It used to be more outwardly civil than it is now. Whether that’s a good or bad thing is another conversation. Nothing stays the same.

      • CanadaBear

        That and people keep getting more weird all the time.

    • EnderWiggin

      That sucks. The National Forests and state parks in SC are pristine. And most people will stop and talk to you if you just say “hi”.

      • SC Dave

        It seems here in SC, people dump their trash on the side of the road instead.

        I do agree that people are friendly on the trails here. No problem there, at least not yet. My life experience (not that I’m “worldly” or anything) is that the larger a population center someone is from, the less likely they are to acknowledge passersby. Perhaps because when there is an endless sea of them, it’s too much work?

        • EnderWiggin

          I agree that something is up with the roads these last few years. Whats up with that?

          • CanadaBear

            Does SC have a bottle/can deposit? When that went in effect in Iowa 40 years ago the roads and ditches had less and less litter all the time. It truly made a difference. People stopped pitching them out the window or other people were happy to pick them up. Once there was less litter people were more reluctant to litter.

          • EnderWiggin

            No deposit that I know of. I know I get jealous when I see the print on sides of cans/bottles that tell me certain states would give me a nickle or dime a piece for them though. Last week I took 6 big ass kitchen bags full of crushed cans to the recycle place… I made a whopping $9. Not even worth the time or gas to get there =(

          • Johnnywad

            Minor point, but they don’t give you a nickel or dime for the cans, they refund the deposit you gave them when you made the purchase. Personally, I hate it.

          • EnderWiggin

            Wait.. So they charge 5/10 cents more… yeouch!

          • Johnnywad

            Not the value. The principal of it.

          • CanadaBear

            It’s a pain in the ass but it really helps with litter. When I lived in Calgary it was in the inner city. Bottle pickers worked the area hard. I didn’t return a bottle or can for years. Just set them on the back stoop and they disappear. Not the same on the Island.

          • Scharfinator

            Rednecks leaving everything in their open pick up beds. Wind just takes it out of the back and Billy Bob thinks it up and disappeared.

            I have noticed that once you get into some of the trails in SC that the trash isn’t there. I think the reason is that if you care enough to hike a few miles in, you care enough not to leave shit everywhere.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I live near a county park. Every morning when I walk the hound I get to pick up water bottles and soda cups and Cheetos bags that some assholes couldn’t be bothered deposit in one of the many trash cans that were merely a few feet away. Where’s Iron Eyes Cody when we need him?

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Zimas-&-Zika (ButchDeadLift)

          As an unofficial city slicker not saying hi is conditioned just like saying hi in smaller towns is.
          The #1 etiquette in big cities is ‘mind ur biz’ so that doesn’t exactly mesh well w saying hello to strangers. But this might not even be a big city thing but regional conditioning.
          I remember talking to a korean bbq owner and he said he said he was moving back to philly cuz”no one talks to each other in la”. He said esp the Koreans (he was korean).
          Going on trails is in the air for me. Over here u can walk the Rosebowl and literally see over 100 ppl walking by. So if u say hi to all of them kinda defeats the purpose of walking.
          Plus nearly everyone is plugged in to theur headphones so more conditioning.
          If it’s smaller trails then ill guve the polite nod smile. If it’s a fine chick in yoga pants then esp

    • AlbertInTucson

      The QQ is sad.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      I have noticed people not saying “hi” especially the younger generation. I don’t know if it is a product of social media or product of parenting. Seems to me parents are scared into over parenting and not letting their kids roam and experience things. Parents are getting arrested or in trouble with social services for allowing their kids to play across the street in a park without being right there. When I was younger it was nothing for me to ride my bike 7 miles into town and all over the place on my own. Now my brother won’t even let his kids walk the 10 blocks to school alone. I live 5 blocks from him and it’s not even close to a bad part of town and if they walk to my house they have to call when they leave and call when they arrive. I truly believe this leads to problems with being able to socialize as they get older. Kids are growing up not being independent and in fear of the world.

      Here is an article from England showing the distances an 8 year old is allowed to roam without supervision over the last century. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-462091/How-children-lost-right-roam-generations.html

      This is indicative of the fear society lives in even though crime rates are the lower than they were 40 years ago. It leads kids to growing up in isolation and fear of “strangers”.

      • willbest

        I know camping is more popular than its ever been. We used to hike all day and only run across a handful of other groups. So of course you talked a bit. I guess the more people you see the less inclined you are to talk to them. Still not having a friendly hello/head nod, etc is a city trait.

        I definitely feel the invisible leash thing is taking its toll socially though I don’t know if its made its way out to the wildnerness yet. The whole crybully, safe space, run to the administrators for every real or perceived offense cancer that is on pretty much ever college campus these days seems directly related to never having to sort out their own problems as children.

        And the public schools are throwing gas on the fire with their crusade against anything that might appear like bullying.

      • CanadaBear

        Totally agree but I don’t have kids. I’m in my mid-60’s and the youngest of 6. By the time I came around things were pretty lax around the house. Apparently when I was around 4 I used to go around the neighborhood working old ladies for cookies and candy. I can remember my mom telling people the story of an old lady that lived about 3 blocks away calling my mom to see if it was OK if I stayed for awhile and had some cookies. My mom had no idea who she was. Of course, she said yes!

        There used to be a comedian by the name of Jake Johansson who was the youngest of 10 or 12 kids. He said the parents were super strict with the first kid and then got less strict with each kid. By the time he came along the only rule was no heroin in the living room. Funny stuff!

    • CanadaBear

      My rule of thumb is if they make eye contact I say hi or nod. If they intentionally avoid eye contact I just keep moving. I’ve never understood why people wouldn’t say hi in those circumstances but people are weird. Years ago I’ve said hi to co-workers (at work) and been ignored so coming from strangers it doesn’t bother me much.

    • Sactowns#1

      So youre talking car camping vs backpacking in someplace. My pet peeves in that situation are
      A) Everyone has a damn Bluetooth speaker or sound system now. They go off to the woods and yet never hear the sounds of nature because they would rather blast Miley Cyrus for everyone to hear.
      B) not understanding campground boundaries. Don’t walk up on my camp in the middle of the night if I don’t know you and hell nah are you cutting through my campsite
      C) Campsite fees. Here in California most campsites are running about $30-$35 a night. Seriously!? I can get a hotel room in a old motel for like $50. No way should it cost $70 to camp for 2 nights.

      • CanadaBear

        The last time I stayed in a $50 room I would rather have been camping. It seemed like a science experiment that went wrong. Totally agree about all the noise. As long as we didn’t camp anywhere near the bathroom/showers, we never had much trouble with people cutting through the campsite. We’re pretty lucky in British Columbia. Unless you really need a shower/toilet, there are a million places to camp for free (on govt land). Not exactly legal but unless you’re a complete moron nobody cares.

      • willbest

        In PA a no electricity, no trailer site ran $20-30 depending on day of week and time of year. I didn’t really consider that outrageous. I recall it being 8-16 depending on if there was a flush toilet or not 25 years ago so with just inflation that more or less places it right.

        I am going to have to second CandaBear on $50 hotel rooms. I am sure there are some passable ones, but the economics don’t exactly add up in my head, and I am quite certain my wife would discriminate on price alone.

        Other than a particularly vile group of people it seems like most people were there to enjoy nature. Considering how much of an outlier they were I didn’t really address them in my rant but they are lucky I didn’t report them to the park ranger.

        • Sactowns#1

          Oh give us details on the vile people… I probably know them. lol

          • willbest

            I had reserved my sites on the weekends because I figured it would be slim pickings. I was right, there were very few open sites, unfortunately, I chose poorly in terms of bad neighbors.

            We show up and the neighbors hadn’t just borrowed our picnic table. They claimed it. Moved it into their site and put a canopy over it (2 tables, 2 canopies). Except they weren’t there to politely discuss that matter. They were away, for the next 3 hours, but had left a very lively set of embers in their fire ring, which stayed lit until they came back. I set up my camp first, and then I just took one of the tables. Anyway they get back and its a group celebrating fathers day. There was no apology or acknowledgment on their part about the table.

            4 men and 5 boys (so 4 people over the single site limit). They were not using inside voices, and played their music. Quiet hours were 9pm, but they were annoyed when I politely asked them to turn it off a little after 10:00pm, and my educated guess tells me that they shined their light on our tent a number of times on purpose when they turned in a little after midnight.

            The next day they had cleared out 1 day earlier than they had reserved the site for. Apparently, I was too much of a killjoy for them or something. A nearby camper came by to thank me for telling them to turn off the music on his way to the bathroom the following evening. He said the night before I arrived they were rather rowdy and the ranger or camp host had to tell them to be quiet.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            I have done some searching for camping in the Black Hills and Glacier that are way off the beaten path for this very reason. I have found quite a few where according to reviewers are very quiet and not many campers, mainly because access to them almost requires 4×4 to get to and there are very few amenities, which tends to keep people away.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          i am starting a month long road trip of the west next week, and will be camping a lot, most sites I have looked at in advance run $15-30 a day for a no electric tent site. KOA sites usually run about in the 20-30 range.

          • CanadaBear

            What’s on the itinerary?

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            No real plan just kind of wing it, but I have sort of planned to hit Badlands, Mt. Rushmore, Glacier National Park, Portland, OR(my brother lives there), Pacific Coast Highway to somewhere in California. After that i am not sure except to start heading back home.

          • CanadaBear

            Can’t go wrong either way! If you go to the Black Hills drive through Spearfish Canyon, very pretty. Also, if you’ve never seen Devil’s Tower it’s close and worth the side trip. I love Idaho and there are some great places to see if you have time. Natural hot springs, really varied terrain and few enough people that most everybody is nice.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Photographs do NONE of places like this justice.

            From The Devil’s Tower, to Mount Rushmore to the Iwo Jima Memorial to Stone Mountain, to the Lincoln Memorial to the Grand Canyon.

            You cannot appreciate their gravity until you see them in person .

            I’ve seen all of the above save for the Tower.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve been to a lot of them in the West. Devil’s Tower is cool. You can see it from miles away. I walked around it on an asphalt path. Took about 45-60 mins.

            I always preferred to go West instead of East. Partly due to weather/geography and partly due to fewer people.

          • AlbertInTucson

            When I was a kid we DROVE on vacations and it was usually West. Mount Rushmore was the Yellowstone Park / Black Hills trip in the late 50s.”Old Faithful” Geyser was still quite faithful. Drove to Disneyland (Back in the “E” Ticket Days) and stopped at the Grand Canyon on the way. Went to DC in the late 60s. Lincoln Memorial. Washington Monument. Capitol tour. Mount Vernon. Smithsonian. And on the way back, Dad made up for all those times we NEVER stopped at Merrimac “See Jesse James Hideout” Caverns in Missouri when going West (because it was too early in the day) and we came back from DC thru Kentucky and went to Mammoth Cave. Drove to Florida one time and stopped at Lookout Mountain Battlefield and saw Stone Mountain outside Atlanta. Those were great trips for a kid my age. Thanks, Dad!

          • CanadaBear

            If you time it right you can still do some of those trips without a lot of other people being around. Esp Yellowstone/Tetons/Glacier. Once you get away from the overlooks and hike a little bit you don’t see many people.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Been in AZ over 40 years now and, guess what? That Disneyland trip is the only time I’ve ever been to the Grand Canyon.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            It’s amazing that a lot of times people don’t take the time to check out what is in their own back yard.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Yes and it’s even worse. Made several trips, annually to Flagstaff for 4 years back when the child was in college!

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Thanks for the heads up on Spearfish and Devils Tower. I am really going into this trip blind. Besides some of the big touristy stuff, if I see a sign that interests me I plan on stopping. The weirder and stranger the better. I was thinking of taking old Route 66 back to Illinois. If anyone has any experience on 66 let me know.

      • Scharfinator

        A) Yeah it sucks.
        B) Part of why some people carry heat on trails. I typically just have a bush knife.
        C) Yeah, it’s gross. Not everywhere though… at least not out East.

  • AlbertInTucson

    NEW Tiger Woods tack on the ESPN bottom line today: “Tiger Woods may not play in 2016”.

    Really?

    Still non-news.

    • willbest

      Does his Nike contract pay more if he is too injured to play vs. retired?

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Spike Lee: Director Criticized for Purple Outfit Worn at BET Awards”

    SMH.

    OK, Spike.

    The purple tie?

    Nice tribute to Prince.

    The over-the-top, goofball purple hat?

    That’s not a tribute.

    That’s strictly “Hey, lookit me! I’m Spike Lee!”

  • Irish Sweetness

    Have a feeling you petrol heads will enjoy this Eric Bana doco on cars. “Love the Beast”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSq0RfI7ZJU

  • Irish Sweetness

    Petrolheads #2: The new Top Gear, from Kerry, a place so beautiful I named my first born for her.

    http://gorillavid.in/36yfs1g0wbbv

  • Sactowns#1

    So is there any way Ireland can sneak into the semi finals on goal differential or ?

  • willbest

    The Orange one has made nice enough with the RNC to buy whatever mailing list my name is on. I am now getting funds requests.

    • CanadaBear

      Lucky you!

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      haha!

  • CanadaBear
    • BearDown100393

      A trip to Romania could be the cure.

      • CanadaBear

        ??

        • BearDown100393

          An angry profanity laced tirade in Romanian might be the perfect intervention.

  • MB30SD

    GP: I think I need a new pair of drawers

    http://uncrate.com/stuff/2017-ford-gt-66-heritage-edition/

    • Swing Tackle of Destiny

      the rear still looks like the Angry Birds pig

      • MB30SD

        Hahaha…

        Hello.. from the world of the piiiig!

  • AlbertInTucson

    I think the Supreme Court got it right last week and , guess what? I think they got it right today, too.

    • willbest

      Which one from last week? That discriminating based on race can continue or the one where they were too pussy to resolve the issue themselves but had the effect of preventing the president from legalizing 5 million illegals through executive order and against congressional statute?

      • Sactowns#1

        I will file this under “angry white man yells at cloud”

        • willbest

          I know you and logic have a sorted history but the immigration one was clearly a violation. Its not even a close call. That it was 4-4 decision was incredibly alarming, and I hope to hell the only issue was because it was Governors doing the suing and not Congress, otherwise the Constitution might as well be used for toilet paper.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Which is exactly how Eric Holder viewed the Constitution and Loretta Lynch seems no better.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Immigration. Piss on the pronouncements of this President who thinks he’s The King.

  • SC Dave

    Iceland over England. I love it.

    England fans are so tedious in their hubris of how great European soccer is. And they are never worth a damn.

    He he he

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd Zimas-&-Zika (ButchDeadLift)

      More chokage than a closeted muslim at a puerto rican rainbow stall.
      Too soon?

      • You’re about to get Jericho’d

        Maybe

  • willbest

    So the California Nazis got their permits and were peaceful. And the “anti-fascists” were the violent ones. If you are making Nazis look good, you are doing it wrong.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-neo-nazi-event-stabbings-capitol-20160627-snap-story.html

  • Swing Tackle of Destiny

    http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/06/27/tim-tebow-delta-plane-passenger-medical-emergency

    Dude is everywhere. Met with a dying cancer patient last week, this week he saves a man on a plane, next week he will get a girl’s cat out of a tree.

    • CanadaBear

      He seems to be genuine. As long as he’s not playing for the Bears I’m happy for him!

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      I heard he was putting together an intervention for Manziel.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Good luck with THAT. Manziels own family’s been trying and he won’t hear of it.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Federal Judge,Richard Posner:”There Is No Value in Studying the US Constitution”.

    With all due respect (which is ZERO) your Honor, I find you in contempt.

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