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Bears Fall Short in Indy: Rapid Fire

| October 10th, 2016

Hard game to get emotional about. But there’s things to talk about so let’s talk about them.

  • Brian Hoyer played a terrific game for a backup quarterback. But when your team racks up 500+ yards and scores only 23 points, it’s time to start asking why. Hoyer doesn’t extend plays with his legs. He doesn’t throw the ball to the Bears best player (for some bizarre reason). And…he’s just limited. Jay Cutler wins Sunday’a game. And I happen to believe he wins it by a couple of touchdowns.
  • Hoyer dinks and dunks. His drives take 10-12 plays to get into the end zone. Those drives can be derailed entirely by one mistake or penalty. Penalties told the story of the game.
  • John Fox, through five games, is having a rough season. Challenges, timeouts, personnel decisions…etc. One has to wonder if he has any feel for this roster right now. Sadly, Fox can’t be properly evaluated until the actual team is on the field.
  • Why would you bench Bryce Callahan? Let the kid learn on the field. He was playing a solid game yesterday.
  • Terrific performance from Cameron Meredith. The fumble was bad, and cost the Bears the game, but his emergence was far more significant.

  • Jordan Howard gets more yards then he should out of every carry.
  • On the final play of the game, Jeffery could not have been more open. And Hoyer never even considered throwing the ball his way. Think about that. Cutler’s first look is always Jeffery because Jeffery is great and Cutler knows that. Jeffery = points.
  • Does Pat O’Donnell ever drop a punt inside the ten? Does he ever kill the opponent in the field position battle? It seems like every one of his punts comes down at the 20 and massively returnable.
  • Connor Barth. How long is this going to continue? And Fox can’t rationalize his misses by saying he’s not good from 50+. If he can’t make em, why is he attempting em? Barth was an error. Bears are compounding that error weekly.
  • Sam Acho plays hard.
  • Bears needed a performance like that from Willie Young but there’s still a lack of consistent pass rush and quarterbacks like Andrew Luck will eat your lunch with a safe pocket.
  • Especially when you cover T.Y. Hilton with linebackers. How is THAT possible?

If Cutler doesn’t return, every game will look like yesterday’s.

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  • SC Dave

    I don’t get the Alshon thing either, but the first and foremost problem is too many penalties.

  • SC Dave

    So far as scoring 23 points, here is how the Bears’ drives ended:

    1) 3rd and 2 at the IND 3 turned into 2nd and 17 on Howard’s facemask. Field goal.
    2) Eddie Royal continues Bears penchant by running an 8.5 yard out on 3rd and 10. Punt.
    3) 1st and 10 at IND 20 turned into 3rd and 13 by Kyle Long’s hold, field goal.
    4) Jordan Howard to the goal line (not sure he was in or not) becomes 2nd and 14. TD.
    5) Hoyer takes a knee.

    6) Regular stuff; will have to go watch. Hoyer had two incomplete passes. Punt.
    7) Hoyer overthrows Royal on 3rd down. Missed FG.
    8) Stock dink and dunk 80 yard drive. Field goal.
    9) No penalties – 96 yard TD drive.
    10) One play drive; Fumble, lost.
    11) 3rd and 5 at IND 25 becomes 3rd and 15 on Massie’s hold. Turnover on downs.

    As with most, I don’t understand why Hoyer does not look to Jeffery more, but there are a lot of missed points up there.

    I found it interesting just how evenly the targets have been distributed so far; if interested, scroll down to the Rushing and Receiving table here.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2016.htm

    • MB30SD

      397 – 2 – 0

      Clean up the other sloppy garbage and we start winning games. I didn’t see the game (to be fair), but not sure how you put cutler in if Hoyer keeps this up.

      Yes, I know cutty can win games that hoyer can’t, but he can just as easily do the exact opposite…. it’s a flip of a coin.

      Sorry Jonny, I still love you.

      • Scharfinator

        Those strip sacks are so bad. That ball just dangling away from his body, waiting for the backside pursuit to blow him up.

        • MB30SD

          Kills me. Wtf is wrong with you dude?!?!

          It happens once, and you…. wait for it…. learn not to fucking do it. *GASP*

          just don’t get it. I can live with the lack of game winning on one throw stuff in order not to have 1.3 strip sacks per game. Clean up the rest of the offense (and get better on the dline) and Hoyer wins games. I can live with that… not like we’re going to the playoffs this year anyway

          • willbest

            You need game winning throws unless your D is good enough to always allow you to play with a lead.

          • MB30SD

            Agree, but see above. That ain’t gonna happen this year so who’s cares

          • SC Dave

            A 96 yard TD drive to take the lead says you’re wrong.

          • willbest

            Did we win? No we didn’t. Nice excuse though.

      • willbest

        You are always going to have 5-6 penalties though. Between that and O takeaways you are going to lose unless your opponent shits the bed.

        • MB30SD

          Meh, who cares at this point. Whats the statistical probability of doing anything meaningful with a 1-4 record. I never advocate sucking for lucking, but at this point, I’m ok with a high 1st next year

          • willbest

            Well nothing because the NFCN isn’t up for grabs and we would need to go 9-2 to even have a shot at the WC.

  • Scharfinator

    3 things to improve from the Colts game….

    1) Penalties
    2) Pass Rush (Willie Young decided to show up though)
    3) Forcing turnovers (see point #2)

    • SC Dave

      Definitely on target with #1. I posted the fate of all drives early in this thread, and they hurt us badly.

  • madscout12

    It should be mentioned that the colts had the luxury of just getting just inside the 40 yard line, as Vinatieri hit from 54, 53, 26, 41, and 46 and he made them look easy. A normal kicker misses at least one of those.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      Our kicker misses all of them

      #Barthed

      • madscout12

        #Barf

    • BerwynBomber

      Irish called Vinateri the GOAT on the previous thread. Made me stop and think. He is probably right.

    • Scharfinator

      Yeah, those kicks were berserk. He almost had one go wide, but it wiggled in for him. Lucky AND good.

  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    Bahahahahahahahahahahahagaha

    Ravens just fired Nessman

    • Scharfinator

      He’ll be just fine. He’s got Tales from the Crypt to host afterall.

      • MB30SD

        …and two hot daughters.

        Go back to canada asshole!

        • CanadaBear

          Thanks!

          • MB30SD

            Hahahahaha, well at least he was a total MAC there!

        • Huge Bears Penis

          leave the girls.

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  • Freddy G.P. Soft

    I think Enderwiggin should call his team the bitchslappers not Beachslappers.

    #FFabuse

    • MB30SD

      Is his team avatar a boogie board with a weed leaf on a confederate flag?

  • midwaybears

    I would keep Cutler out but we need to start looking at other options at kicker.

  • TBC

    Really tough break for Cutty. He’s a .500 QB but he’d probably be .650 if not for all the injuries. It just sucks that all the games he misses are would-be victories.

    • roglesby

      no they aren’t….

      • BerwynBomber

        TBC was trolling with the some sarcasm …

  • roglesby

    I get that Cutler COULD win that game. But it seems that writers (Jeff included) remember the good thing cutler does (look at Jeffery on that final play). Of course they disguised the coverage and it looked at the snap like Jeffery was going to be double covered…. Guess what, he wasnt. BUT even if he was triple covered, you are right Cutler throws him the ball…

    Of course in the first 2 games he had 2 interceptions, 8 sacks, 3 fumbles, 1 lost fumble….. And 1 TD…. 1. ONE TD.

    I know the grass is always greener and Jay is a better talent than Hoyer. But acting like Jay gets dropped in and we win the game by 17 is a joke. He has PROVEN he could win that game by 20 then the next week lose the game by 14 after throwing 2 red zone interceptions, one of them for a 90 yard pick six… we know this song and dance. Dont put this game on “hoyer” because Cutler is not Brady and not a given.

    • madscout12

      Cutty has played a #13 (with their Defensive star) and a #2 defense, and was in each game.

      Hoyer has played the same #2 defense (while they were in prevent), a #8 defense where he was NEVER in the game, beat a #20 defense, and #29 ranked defense yesterday.

      • roglesby

        and your point being? Cutler is a better QB? No doubt. But acting like the Bears lost that game because of Hoyer is simply silly. It ignores bad decisions, forcing balls to guys like Jeffery even when triple covered. You can have ALL of the talent in the world and (like cutler) throw most of it away w bad decisions.

        My point is that Cutler is not Brady, or Rodgers or any elite QB. And his arm/talent COULD win a game like we saw yesterday. but ASSUMING it is a for sure that “Cutler is in, we win that game” is making a stupid assumption. He has lost games to bad defenses by making them look good with turnovers.

        So there is no saying “Cutler in we beat Indi”. We cant say that. Impossible. Go back and watch the games. Yes some great throws, yes some receivers making catches when he is a bit off. but also enough mistakes to lose a game.

        • MB30SD

          Have to agree

    • BerwynBomber

      Valid point. That’s why I would bet the statistical difference between Cutty and Hoyer, on average, is only a couple of points. It is easy to forget bad Cutty while longing for good Cutty. And the whole notion that Cutty-led O’s regularly dropped 35 a game on opposing D’s is a bit of fiction too. He rarely did that even when we had BMarsh, Alshon, Forte and Uni.

      Cutler should be the starter when he is ready to go. He is a better QB than Hoyer. But the whole savior nonsense is just that. Nonsense. Or at least it has been in regard to his career to this point.

  • willbest

    I get Irish that you are giddy about your boy Cam, but the guy has been stripped as many times as Cutler has this year on about 1/4 of the touches. You probably shouldn’t be trying to stand him next to Jeffery just yet.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I never put him beside AJ – although I suppose I did say he was our best receiver in PS (and he was). But he should be getting the snaps that Kevin is getting normally. White might be better int he future, but he’s not better than Cam right now. AJ, Cam, Eddie. We’re not doing too badly with that three. With Hoyer – he won’t give you some of the throws where Cutty tries to squeeze them in to AJ, he can’t hit the long ones … but gives you perhaps more security than Cutty. We can’t have it all with either QB.

      • willbest

        I think we are pretty certain that White is a bust at this point. He did less with more opportunity and he can’t stay on the field. Good for him for turning 1 year of college into $16 million dollars. Sucks for the Bears. Meredith is the #2 WR and its his to lose. But he needs to work on ball security. Bears should hire Peanut to just follow him around all day punching footballs out of his hands.

  • BerwynBomber

    Was hoping for some irrational Cutty love/Hoyer hate but Blogfather disappointed, though the we-win-by-two-TDs-with-Cutty claim is a bit dubious. (I’m betting the statistical difference between Cutty and Hoyer is, on average, a couple of points at best.)

    Positive news coming from the ’16 season is the emergence of Howard, Whitehair, Callahan, and yes, even Irish’s guy Meredith (but dude has to stop fumbling). Glenn might be okay too, but not as sold on him yet. Btw, Kreutz was on the radio a week or two ago and called Whitehair a future Pro Bowler at center. He said he is that good as a rookie. And he didn’t seem to be blowing smoke.

    Time to toss Fangio a bone also. The D only looked bad once this year and that was the DAL game. Otherwise, they’ve been competitive, even surprisingly good at times, and kept us in games.

    • madscout12

      And that’s a Dallas team that tore apart a very good D in Cincy’s yesterday.

      The D doesn’t inspire yet, but it has been better. We need some playmakers up front…just enough to make the O not know where we’re coming from. Yesterday, there was a play where Fangio dropped Willie Young into coverage and I thought he was crazy. Luck had a clean pocket for at least 6 seconds on the play and it was a big completion. But if we had guys that could win matchups besides Young, this is not a problem.

      • SC Dave

        Goldman back would probably help.

        • AnotherBear in Canada

          And Robbie

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Robbie sucked.

          • willbest

            He did. It still doesn’t excuse Barth still being on the 53.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            yep no excuse. Barth should have been cut already. And the Bears should have had extra legs in camp.

  • Malice Halice

    Fuck the Vikings

    • BerwynBomber

      Scary thing is they look like another SEA, albeit with the questionable Bradford vs. the more dependable Wilson. Regardless, they ain’t going away anytime soon.

      • SC Dave

        Nothing too questionable about Bradford so far.

        • BerwynBomber

          Agreed but career-wise his health and performance have been.

        • MB30SD

          until he gets another knee/ankle/shoulder/etc…

          • willbest

            Really outside the second ACL he has been as durable as Cutler.

          • BerwynBomber

            A “second ACL” does not scream durability. And though I used to think Cutler was average in regard to durability I might begin re-thinking it if the sprain continues to linger.

          • willbest

            Well the first ACL only cost him as many games as Cutler’s broken thumb, or maybe 1 more. The 2nd was in camp I believe so it was more freak accident. But that was 4 years ago. He has played a bunch of games since.

          • BerwynBomber

            What did he have in college? Was it a separated shoulder?

          • willbest

            You are right, separated shoulder in college, and I looked up his NFL history

            Alright, I went and looked it up
            2010 – 16
            2011 – 10 – high ankle sprain
            2012 – 16
            2013 – 7 – left ACL
            2014 – 0 – left ACL
            2015 – 15 – concussion
            2016 – 4

          • BerwynBomber

            Interesting …

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            And it’s the same thumb he fucked up that one year tackling a dude on an INT.

            Maybe that thumb is more screwed than we think.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, the 7-3 Martz year. Arguably the best Cutty ever looked in a Bears uni.

          • willbest

            And he did it with crap. If he had had just one offensive tackle worth a damn or Marshall had arrived 1 year earlier.

          • BerwynBomber

            Well, he had Forte in his prime and wasn’t Olsen still around that first Martz year? We also had a killer D and STs if I recall. But yeah, the Pro Bowl receiving corps didn’t arrive until near the Trestman years.

          • MB30SD

            not saying much

      • Malice Halice

        Not this year no. Took em how long to become a threat? 20 years

  • Irish Sweetness

    Man, did anyone see the Raiders-Chargers?

    San Diego know how to blow games in the 4th quarter, that’s for sure. They’re maybe a play in each game away from being undefeated. Crabtree is a beast, as is Hunter Henry for the Chargers.

    • BerwynBomber

      What about OAK? Mirage or real? Hard team to read.

      • MB30SD

        Not sure yet. On paper that D is scary

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

        Carr is DEF real.

        He’s looking, dare I say, Vadger-esque (pre-2015).

        But that D is up and down. They should be better, but are not, which is odd cuz I thought Del Rio was a D coach.

        • BerwynBomber

          Rodgers, pre-2015? C’mon now. I usually trust your opinions but that seems absurd.

          In related news, post-2014 Rodgers is still stinking up the joint. He looked awful last night, prompting me to wonder if Rodgers is the worst QB currently starting on an NFCN team. Amazingly that answer might be yes. Bizarre.

          Anyway, I’ll try to catch OAK soon myself. I’m guessing their DEN tilts should be nationally televised.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            Carr has looked VERY good. He’s making some Vadger like throws.

            And his scrambling is underrated.

            He’s not as efficient as him yet, but Carr def looks like he can become elite very soon. (keep in mind Rodgers sat for a few years)

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, but I don’t think Carr is anywhere near the natural athlete Rodgers is.

            Anyway, I”ll make a point to try to catch him. I have no doubt he is playing well. But some of that pre-’15 Rodgers stuff was jaw-dropping. The fucking wizard as MB aptly called him.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    “Why would you bench Bryce Callahan? ” he was not benched according to reports he had a hamstring injury.

    http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/bears-bryce-callahan-exits-week-5/

  • CanadaBear

    Is Fox going to try to save his ass by saying Cutler was hurt this year and that’s why they suck? Is he going to try to save his ass because of all the injuries (even though every coach says injuries aren’t an excuse, they are)? Or is Fox going to can some coordinators to save his job? I thought Fox would restore order but this team seems about as undisciplined as Nessman’s. Not sure how the Bears are gonna spin this if they end up with a worse record than last year.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Fox has another year. The Brass knows this season was expendable collateral. If the Bears start showing improvement which I expect they well, Fox gets to give it anothe go next year. That’s how it goes!

      • CanadaBear

        Why would you expect the Bears to show improvement? Will they get better? Maybe. Will all the other teams also get better? Maybe. I did write if they end up with a worse record (I think they will). I think they’re heading for 4-12.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          are you dyslexic? 12-4!

          • MB30SD

            HOF for you! HOF for you! HOF for everyone!!!

            Haaaaaatttteeeeedddd iiiiitttt!!!

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Fox has been given the keys to the bottomless pit for at least one more year. Sorry my man, it’s called “rebuild”.

    • SC Dave

      He cannot blame sucking on Hoyer’s play. It would make him a laughingstock.

      On discipline, there certainly seems to be a penalty problem. But some overhyped bench spatdoesnt mean shit, if you were referring to whatever it was the Freeman got in the way of.

      Speaking of Freeman, gotta say how happy I am that he is a Bear.

      • CanadaBear

        Couldn’t care less about the sideline spat. Boys will be boys. I’m talking about all the penalties, slow starts, defensive breakdowns and the general impression I get that this team is in undisciplined and soft.

        • SC Dave

          For a change, we did not get a slow start. But yes, I see the same thing.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

        Yeah, I liked the sideline spat, actually.

        Showed that the D still playing with pride, and it seemed like an obvious blown coverage by secondary.

        Play a bunch of rooks and UFDAs, it’s gonna bite sometime.

    • BerwynBomber

      Can’t see the Cutty excuse unless Cutty comes back and we start stacking up victories but fall just short of the post-season.

      I’m of the Eye’s mind. This coaching staff is here for another year. I’m thinking Phillips and Acorsi assured them that behind closed doors.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m guessing you’re right because they won’t want to pay out two years to Fox. However, if they keep underwhelming week after week something has to change. If I was going to guess, Loggains will be the odd man out.

        • SC Dave

          They probably will need a fall guy, and Loggains seems the most likely choice.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yup, OCs are often our fall guys.

          P.S. assuming we don’t make the post-season, I am more interested in what we do at the QB position in the off-season. If it is, yet again, Cutty and a veteran back-up, then it tells me Pace has no real long-term vision and this is a short-term, win-now play that is pretty dim. On the other hand, if we draft a kid in the first two rounds, it tells me they might be thinking more realistically long-term.

          • CanadaBear

            POX would be crazy not to draft a QB early in the draft. That might give both of them a couple of years. There’s no scenario where I think they keep Cutler.

          • Johnnywad

            If they don’t draft a QB next spring I’m going to punch the balls off myself.

            Hoyer keeps pitching 100+ ratings he’s gonna get starter money somewhere.

            I’m guessing we get a rook to groom, Cutler sticks another season and off we go. We need to get the quarterback of the next decade in the building while the O line is up and coming. The line is a Tackle and another season away from being VERY good provided Sitton has a few seasons left.

          • CanadaBear

            I think they will go the caretaker route with the new QB. Get someone not unlike McCown for way less money than Cutler. POX loves to stockpile money.

          • BerwynBomber

            No reason to keep Cutler over Hoyer (or another journeyman) unless you truly think Cutty makes you a title contender or the journeyman costs you as much as Cutler. Otherwise, you let Cutty walk and use the money saved (on Cutty’s salary vs. a journeyman’s) to buy a couple of more starters. My view at least. And it was the same I had in ’14.

          • Johnnywad

            Isn’t Hoyer on a one year deal? If so, I’m betting he’s gone. And isn’t Cutty getting cheaper each season? I may have that wrong but I believe both to be the case.

          • BerwynBomber

            Cutty is getting cheaper. I believe $14M next year (Will would know). But still that is at least double what a journeyman/caretaker costs you.

            Yeah, I would bet Hoyer is on a one year deal. They would have to give him a raise as a bridge/caretaker.

      • willbest

        And if I were Pace I wouldn’t sign up on that without assurances I get to pick the next coach and get at least 2 years with that coach.

        • BerwynBomber

          Probably depends on whether he picked this one. I don’t think he did so I would agree with you. But there is always the chance that Fox was, indeed, his guy.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    It appeared yesterday that Hoyer seems to always look to the right first, hence AJ, who lines up on the left a lot, would be at the end of his progressions. I tried to find a spray chart of passes to verify, but could not. Could any of you guys that re-watch the game keep an eye on it and let us know? I know AJ won’t always be the 1st option for all passing routes but it seemed like Hoyer ignores the left side of the field a lot unless it is for dump off passes.

    • SC Dave

      Pro football reference now includes pass location data in the boxscore section for games.
      Scroll down to “Pass targets table” here for the Indy game:
      http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201610090clt.htm

      • Huge Bears Penis

        thanks Dave.

        • SC Dave

          You’re welcome. Some interesting stuff on that site.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            looks like Hoyer does prefer throwing right, but it was not as bad as I thought watching the game yesterday.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            My guess is they figured Alshon would get their best CB (vonta) AND S help over the top (other teams did this to nullify him).

            So the gameplan was to attack the other side which in theory should be more vulnerable.

            Also, we’re not exactly certain how hurt Alshon is. Maybe Fox is trying to protect him a bit.

            We did go on long drives. I think we had 5 min drives. Just those penalties stalled 3 possible TDs.

            When bears get behind on down/distance, Hoyer is not gonna force it. He’ll take the FGs for better or worse.

          • SC Dave

            That last point is what I think frustrates some. They remember Alshon/BM winning jump balls, and forget the game-losing end zone picks.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            You are right, the last point is what frustrates me. That’s what makes it fun to watch. Got to take chances sometimes. If we could get a quarterback that gets us a happy medium between Hoyer’s passificity and Cutlers gun slinging I would be happy.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            that qb is named brady, brees, wilson…

          • SC Dave

            Yeah, also the distribution for the season is pretty even. Of course, that is for all games; I’d have to set some filters (if one can) to get numbers that dis/prove the idea that Hoyer avoids Alshon. It certainly *feels* that way.

            Alshon did, however, get 5 catches for 77 yards yesterday. Averaged for 16 games, that would be 80 catches for 1,232. Enough to get Alshon an extension, one would think.

          • CanadaBear

            I think the biggest issue not throwing to Alshon is he is usually downfield and Hoyer won’t take any chances unless he’s open by A LOT! Who knows?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I agree its not avoiding Alshon, it’s avoiding large sections of the field that bothers me.

          • SC Dave

            I think that is part of it. Hoyer does seem very averse to risky throws. Not necessarily a bad thing.

          • CanadaBear

            I get the conservative play and applaud it until it’s crunch time and you have to shit or get off the pot. Then you have to take some chances to win the game.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            can’t be that conservative all game and only take shots in crunch time.

          • CanadaBear

            I agree in theory but do you see Hoyer embracing that?

          • Huge Bears Penis

            NOPE!

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            For comparison’s sake, Hopkins got 5 catches for 56 yds and 1 TD yesterday, and the week before, ONE catch for 4 yds.

            Are the Texans ignoring Hopkins, or are they not trying to fight an uphill battle knowing Hopkins is going to be doubled all game?

            We’re not the first team to use 2ndry weapons to get wins, but I agree, – at some point, esp in CRITICAL moments, gotta target playmakers.

          • willbest

            Well with Hopkins we don’t know if he was actually double teamed. We know Jeffery was open.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            I don’t know yesterday, cuz Vike’s D is good, and I think he scored in junk time, but i have watched the other games, and he was DEF double teamed (I have him on my FF team, so I have watched their games to figure out what the hell was going on).

            But NO d double-teams a player the entire game. Gotta find our spots for Alshon (assuming he’s really healthy)

          • Huge Bears Penis

            or Osweiler just sucks.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            He has been hitting Fuller (who has benefited from the single coverage).

            Not saying Oz doesn’t suck though.

            #downwardTrajectory

          • willbest

            I am assuming if he is getting open against Vonte Davis he is healthy enough.

    • BerwynBomber

      Not to excuse Hoyer because under-utilizing Alshon is a mistake, but one thing that often happens with back-up QBs is they get in games and start looking for guys they have built up timing and rapport with in practice — hence, back-up receivers and in this case Cameron Meredith.

      Also, Alshon is our one true deep threat and Hoyer doesn’t have Cutty’s gift of an arm to utilize him as often in that fashion. But why he is not throwing fades or crosses to him in the RZ is something in need of correction if Hoyer continues to start.

      • SC Dave

        The one fade-like pass he did throw went for a TD to Meredith. Maybe he’ll go for it more given that success?

        • Huge Bears Penis

          he tried to throw a fade to Royal in the endzone and overthrew it by 5 yards.

        • BerwynBomber

          He also threw a poor one to Royal on our last scoring drive, but in fairness, Royal did not look like the primary receiver on the play so Hoyer might have been hedging his bets and making sure if he missed that he missed long, which he did.

    • SC Dave

      Here are targets, by receiver, by game.

      0 0 0 0 1 Bellamy
      0 1 0 0 1 Carey
      0 2 6 4 3 Howard
      6 7 6 5 6 Jeffery
      4 2 3 0 0 Langford
      0 0 3 5 12 Meredith
      4 5 5 3 8 Miller
      1 6 0 3 1 Paulsen
      6 6 3 7 9 Royal
      7 6 14 9 0 White

  • Bears-4-Ever

    As all can agree, yesterday was a very winnable game…the penalties cost us the win, Jay or no Jay.

    And I don’t care what any media commentator says. Hoyer is on the bench as soon as Jay is ready. End of story.

    • CanadaBear

      I agree with the first part. Fox has to play whoever is going to give him the best chance to win at this point. If he ends up with a worse record than last year, there’s a decent chance he goes out the door.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

    Jay Cutler wins Sunday’a game – Jeff

    Is that before or after the turnovers, inaccurate passes, and sacks?

    All Hoyer has done is thrown for 300+ yds in a few games with minimal turnovers and QB ratings in the 120s.

    I don’t even think he got sacked in this game, and it’s not because Massie and gang magically improved; it’s because Hoyer doesn’t hold on to the ball long, the old Peyton/Brady trick.

    We lost this game cuz three penalties in the redzone that killed drives, and one turnover by our WR.

    (And no turnovers by our D)

    How is that Hoyer’s fault?

    I would prefer Hoyer starts not cuz I hate Cutler. As a matter of fact, I kinda like him – but he’s not better than Hoyer, not in our O, not with our D that can’t handle defending turnovers.

    If you want to start Cutty in order to improve his stock for a trade, I’m for that. But he can also HURT his stock if he reverts back to 9+ years habits, and gets benched.

    Anyways, Colts had no biz winning that game, but there it is. At least we were competitive and there’s MUCH more hope with Hoyer behind center, IMO.

    However, if Cutler does look Hoyeresque when he returns, I have no problem riding him. Like I said, I don’t dislike him, I just trust my eyes.

    • SC Dave

      “We lost this game cuz three penalties in the redzone that killed drives”

      Exactly this, although Jeff did mention that in the last sentence of his second bullet (although you had to wade through a couple sentences of bullshit to get there).

      One thing seemingly overlooked in the rush to blame Hoyer for not pulling out the game at the end is the fact that immediately after a 96-yard TD drive to take the lead, the defense promptly allows an easy score for Indianapolis.

      • CanadaBear

        Definitely a team loss. Penalties, turnovers, missed FG, defensive breakdowns, ST’s breakdowns, etc.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

        We’re HOPING Cutler can play with Hoyer’s efficiency.

        Here’s a concept. Why not play the guy who already has proved to be efficient!?

        It’s like scrapping a reliable Camry for some new concept car that looks nice but might explode into flames.

        • MB30SD

          oh herrroooooo.

          camery. hee hee

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)
          • MB30SD

            I want this… WITH the weapons: http://uncrate.com/stuff/1951-willys-m38-jeep/

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            I’m not even a Jeep guy, but I’d want that too. Park it in the driveway when the dude comes over to pick up daughter.

          • MB30SD

            dude, you are so far away from having a daughter based on texts received this weekend.

            Good for the impending zombie apocalypse though

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            haha, I wonder how a girl would react if I picked her up in that.

            Maybe wear a helmet and smoke a cigar

          • Huge Bears Penis

            panty dropper!!!

          • MB30SD

            so money, who fucking cares how she would react, you would be a fucking rockstar no matter what. Maybe open with something like, “shake your ass baby, this thing ain’t getting any fucking less spectacular”

    • willbest

      Cutler was one of the best QB’s in the league at protecting the ball last year. You really can’t just assume that bad Cutler is going to show up every game.

      And if you keep him on your bench behind Hoyer you are absolutely going to have to cut him because you are telecasting to the world you don’t think he is worth his $15 mil salary.

  • MB30SD
    • willbest

      From what I have read their afternoon games are only off 3-4%, its their prime time games that have taken a beating.

    • CanadaBear

      They have to figure out that getting more money for a Thursday game is great in the short run but in the long run it hurts TV ratings and more importantly, the games are usually complete stinkers. The players hate it because they are still hurting from Sunday and the play reflects that. I usually watch the Thursday game but if it wasn’t on, I wouldn’t bitch.

      • That Guy

        The Thursday game was a terrible idea from the start. Football is a week long process. You start looking at match ups on Wed/Thurs, you do predictions on Friday, college plays Sat, the games are on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday is your fallout. Monday night football is a tricky enough, but Thursday just totally screws up the rhythm.

        I’m not talking about players, I’m talking about fans. The Thursday thing makes me less likely to think about football during the week. I just sort of arrive at it on Sunday and that’s that.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

      They legislated out the best part of the game.

      HITTING.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        I thought it was endzone celebrations.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)
          • Huge Bears Penis

            I am still trying to figure out why he got a 15 yard penalty for that.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            Supposedly cuz it’s “sexual” in nature.
            And the NFL is now applying the SC interpretation of porn.

            “Know when we see it”

      • MB30SD

        yep

  • ImportantBearsDefender FTW

    Hoyer, man. The thing that sucks about having an average quarterback with nothing about him that makes him special, is just that. The definition of Hoyer will be burned into my mind as the guy that couldn’t even get the ball into the end zone on a hail mary from midfield. That wounded duck throw died at like the 18; hell I can throw the ball 30 yards.

    Dak has his mobility, Cutler has a cannon but damn Hoyer couldn’t be anymore plain vanilla if he tried. He doesn’t even have a neckbeard! That is what he is, Orton with no beard.

  • wreckinball

    So far Hoyer has won one game Cutler zero
    Could it be neither are any good?

    • ImportantBearsDefender FTW

      Neither are good enough to overcome bad special teams, bad defense and penalty issues. The one game we had where we only had one of those three problems; we won.

      • PaceBot 2000

        no one can overcome those….and when they do they end up on NFL Films.

    • BerwynBomber

      Cutler is an average starting QB. Hoyer is an excellent back-up, below average starter. But thus far, Hoyer has played better than his career stats would indicate. But the limitations to his game still exist.

      • wreckinball

        The offense has shortened it up with Hoyer but has produced better results. They have moved the ball better.
        The obvious is that if your O-line can’t pass protect you can’t hold the ball and stretch the field
        So I guess Cutler could adapt to the new offense , not sure?, but for now I think we are slightly better off with Hoyer.

        • Huge Bears Penis

          The following has occurred since Cutty went down. Oline has played better, play calling improved, using RBs and TEs to help Massie, and the running game has improved.

          • PaceBot 2000

            the play calling has been incredibly consistent since the debacles that were games 1 and 2.

          • willbest

            It wasn’t great in 3 either. Either that or the execution was shit.

          • PaceBot 2000

            true, but the last 2 weeks have been way way better. It’s frustrating that we spotted the first couple games to the rest of the league.

          • willbest

            And the INTs aren’t there. That is pretty important.

        • PaceBot 2000

          he did it last year just fine, he was hurt man, played hurt. I’m sure he’s sorry he fumbled.

  • PaceBot 2000

    Guys, if yesterday’s game wasn’t enough to show you that football is not all about the quarterback I don’t know what would. That’s why it’s been so insane to sit here and listen to the Cutler bashing for the past years.
    IT’S NOT ABOUT THE FUCKING QUARTERBACK.

    It’s about no depth
    It’s about drafting like piss for a decade
    It’s about missing on FA after FA after FA
    It’s about injuries
    It’s about penalties
    It’s about mental mistakes
    Porous D, dink and dunk O

    When you need your QB to be fucking PERFECT just to have a chance to win maybe it’s not about the fucking quarterback. Holy shit, we need some perspective juice injected into our fucking brains.

    We need another year of drafting and a fucking killer FA class just to stay consistent at 9-7 and above. This may take at least 2 more years.

    • willbest

      Its a big part to do with the QB. We wouldn’t even been in a position to win the game without Hoyer’s contribution on the field. But you saw what separates him from Wilson, Rodgers, RBerger, Brady, Cam, etc. yesterday.

    • CanadaBear

      Really Johnny? You know that’s BS. Do the Fudgies go to and win the SB without Rodgers? Uh, no. The Bears roster is below avg but with a top 10 QB they have a puncher’s chance. Unfortunately, Cutler is avg at best and Hoyer a notch below that.

      • PaceBot 2000

        Rodgers is a hall of famer Canada and they caught lightning in a bottle that one year. The Bears and Packers front office moves over the last decade are alarmingly different.

        • CanadaBear

          True Dat, I’m just calling BS on the not about the QB post. Other than a couple of years when great D’s won the SB, the other winners all had better than avg QB play. It’s SO about the QB.

          • PaceBot 2000

            It’s not about the QB for us Canada. For this Bears team it hasn’t been about the quarterback…or at least shouldn’t have been. We’ve been missing so many parts for so long that it’s getting comical.

            When your offense moves like that, has over 100yds on the ground and the quarterback plays efficiently and you STILL lose to a fucking terrible Colts team it’s indicative of way bigger problems.

          • CanadaBear

            Can’t argue you with ya there. With better QB play the Bears might win a couple more games but they will still stink this year.

        • BerwynBomber

          Rodgers greatest achievement might not be his one SB but more that he gets the Cheese in the post-season every year. Or at least makes them post-season contenders. That’s what a great QB gives you, unless you are lucky enough to be paired with greatest HC ever (in Brady’s case) or a yearly top five D (in Wilson’s case).

          • PaceBot 2000

            that’s what a “great” QB gives you. I think you mean “hall of fame” QB.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair enough

      • BerwynBomber

        He’s right and wrong. You can win an SB w/out a great QB. DEN did it last year with Peyton, who was the worst QB in the league, though he played reasonably well in the post-season prior to the SB.

        But a great QB gives you a larger window of opportunity. A great D requires a lot of moving parts and doesn’t seem to last as long. And yes, it’s a QB-driven league now.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

        It helps when the QB doesn’t throw INTs ore gets sacked.

        • PaceBot 2000

          Top QB’s throw INT’s and get sacked. It’s football. Good teams still win games despite actual football happening during the games themselves.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            Top QBs like Roth, Wilson, Brady can throw INTs cuz they’ll be top QBs the rest of the game.

            Cutler is not a top QB.

            Neither is Hoyer, but at least he doesn’t throw INTs.

          • PaceBot 2000

            I feel like the guys you just mentioned have D’s that sometimes stop the other team from scoring at will and driving up an down the field like a video game.

            Colts converted at least 3 third downs with 20yd plays.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            That’s why it’s important NOT to throw INTs on the Bears.

          • PaceBot 2000

            and you still fucking lose despite those efforts? Why are we not discussing real actual reasons?
            Remember when we were losing games with Cutty and he was at or damn near at 100 ratings? That was the beginning of the end for the D. The stats were crazy because cutlers record with those ratings was really nice and then we started to lose no matter what and that’s when Turnover Watch started on the 24hr news cycle and became all anyone ever blamed. weird.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

            You don’t agree that NOT throwing INTs helps the D stay fresher, and therefor, perform better when called upon?

            Like I said, if Cutler can perform like Hoyer, I’d be ok with that since he also might take more chances in comeback mode (which cuts both ways).

            IF Cutler reaches Hoyer’s level. (and costs 10x as much)

          • BerwynBomber

            Brady and Wilson usually don’t throw many INTs. R-berger has his moments but as you suggest he often more than makes up for it via his production and ability to extend plays.

  • PaceBot 2000

    Also, I want to thank Birdcage for doing exactly what I fucking told him to. I was extremely happy with the types of calls made the last 2 weeks.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

    Was reading about Daq and came across this tidbit

    Another good game for Bears quarterback Brian Hoyer. Althoughthe Bears lost to the Colts and Hoyermissed an open receiver on his last pass of the game, the reality is Hoyer has played well in his threegames as Chicago’s starting quarterback: He has 300 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions in all three of his starts for the Bears. Jay Cutler has only had 300 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions in two of
    his 99 starts for the Bears. Hoyer should remain the Bears’ starter even after Cutler gets healthy. Hoyer is also playing better than Brock Osweiler,who usurped Hoyer as the Texans’ starting quarterback. The Texans could have kept Hoyer for $5 million this year but instead chose to cut Hoyerand give Osweiler a four-year, $72 million contract. That’s not looking like such a good idea.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/10/nfl-morning-after-no-debate-dak-is-better-than-romo/

    • PaceBot 2000

      thank god they’re not the coach. Stats are misleading sometimes are they not? I wonder how many games Big Ben has won when he throws for 3TD’s and 1 or 2 INt’s or how about Cam? Palmer? It happens but when you have a team that requires that not a fucking single mistake can happen or else it’s a guaranteed loss then that’s a team problem.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        I loved your loyalty to Cutty when he was our starting QB Yonny, and we would be wise to pay attention to the value of such a trait.

        Jonathan stood with his tyrannical father King Saul to the very end and his courage was also to be admired.

        After acknowledging the differences between the two above examples, let us focus on Key word, “was”.

        • PaceBot 2000

          If you play on a team that requires absolute perfection in a game where perfection is Impossible then you’re going to lose games.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            I agree.

          • PaceBot 2000

            I was trying to make my statement sound as epic as the King Saul reference

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            Lol

  • PaceBot 2000

    I love how we can debate the point that you need a good football team in order to play good football.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      with players whose bones do not shatter when hit.

      #Glassworst

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

    White-washed

    Kevin White (leg, injured reserve) is expected to undergo surgery “in the very near future.”

    White landed on injured reserve with a severe high-ankle sprain which resulted in a spiral fracture of his fibula. The Bears still hope White will return this year, but surgery certainly puts that in question. Even if he is able to come back, White is not eligible to return until Week 13. He can be dropped in all redraft leagues – Roto

    • BearDown100393

      Who returns first?
      A. Ted Bridgewater
      B. Kevin White
      C. Neither

      • PaceBot 2000

        a fucking spiral fracture? Dude, that kid may never play meaningfully ever again. Not saying he won’t rehab and come back but two serious leg injuries in less than a year and a half both requiring surgeries?

        • BearDown100393

          Exactly.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          I agree. I’ve been saying since last year he wasn’t gonna pan out because of injury. Once again, more bird seed spilled at the feeder.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

    Bears coach John Fox refused to speculate on his quarterback situation.

    “I am not going to get into speculation,” Fox said. “Jay [Cutler] is not healthy.” The problem for Fox is Cutler will be healthy in the near future, and Brian Hoyer has been the superior quarterback
    this year. It is tough to see Hoyer getting benched for Cutler even whenthe “starter” returns to full health. The Bears will likely drag out that return as long as possible to avoid the situation Roto-Via-zaidman

    • BearDown100393

      A 12-4 team does not freak out over Jacksonville. Hoyer or Cutler, this is a win.

      • MB30SD

        sigh

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

      And on that note, SF, give us a #1 for Cutty. Sit him for two weeks learning the playbook, healing.

      Can’t possibly ride with Gabbert, or even worse, Ponder! And it’s obvious they hate Kap.

      49ers coach Chip Kelly said the team is looking at every option at quarterback.

      Kelly might not have said it, but this almost confirms the 49ers will make a quarterback change this week. Colin Kaepernick looked broken last season, but the 49ers might as well see what they have in
      him after watching Blaine Gabbert face plant for five weeks. It would not be surprising if Christian Ponder made starts this season as well. – Roto

      • AlbertInTucson

        They aren’t getting a #1 for Cutler any more than they are going 13-3 OR 12-4.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

          Two 2nd rounders?

          A bag of Doritos?

          • MB30SD

            love doritos… still waiting for the kale flavor to come out

          • AlbertInTucson

            Less than the 2 twos. More than Doritos.

    • PaceBot 2000

      #parrotcaged

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

    DR. Death.

    Ravens fired OC Marc Trestman.

    Former Eagles and Jets OC Marty Mornhinweg will take over the play-calling duties. Running an offense Joe Flacco publically questioned last week, Trestman might have sealed his fate by abandoning a
    running game which was averaging 6.2 yards per carry in favor of a passing attack which averaged 4.6 yards per attempt in a close loss to the Redskins on Sunday. Mornhinweg will likely be tasked with getting
    and keeping the running game going as well as playing to Joe Flacco’s strengths by pushing the ball down the field. Following a promising first season in Chicago, Trestman’s NFL stock has fallen dramatically in
    the last three seasons. Roto

    • BerwynBomber

      As much as a disaster he was an HC I thought he might have a career as an OC. Ah well. Back to Canada. Unless he goes the college route, a’la Lovie.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

        The fit with Flacco was extremely questionable. Flacco, like Cutty, likes to sling it down field.

        Dink-dunk offense doesn’t suit Flacco. At first, they tried to tell Dr.Death to keep a lot of the same concepts from previous O, but he just couldn’t help himself.

        Tried to get cute again, and now he gone.

        • MB30SD

          fuck that guy

      • AlbertInTucson

        You weren’t the only one who thought Nessman was a good grab by the Ravens. I read more than 1 “Expert” that really liked that hire.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      How much fuckery must you foster to be replaced by Marty Boringwhig?

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd BirdCagE = mc2(ButchDeadlift)

        I think that was the same Boringwhig to “lead” the Lions to that perfect -0-16 season.

        I read a comment in regards to him being ‘promoted’ saying, ‘and ppl wonder why the Rooney rule exists’

        • CanadaBear

          Old Sauce was the HC of that 0-16 Loins juggernaut.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Even to the untrained eye, it should be obvious that the NFL stands for “Never Fire Loser’s” until its too late.

  • PaceBot 2000

    Prosinski makes me miss Conte.

    • Freddy G.P. Soft

      hot and oiled up.

      • MB30SD

        ewwwww, yuck

  • SC Dave

    New thread

    • AlbertInTucson

      Thx!

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