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Bears Drafting Quarterback at 11 Unlikely, But Not Crazy

| March 16th, 2016

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While still unlikely, the possibility of the Bears drafting a quarterback with the 11th pick in the first round is no longer as crazy as it once seemed.

Daniel Jeremiah’s most recent mock draft created a stir amongst Bears fans because he had them taking Carson Wentz in the first round. Ryan Pace has made it clear he wants to build around Jay Cutler, but he has also said he would take the best player available in the draft. The moves he made in free agency should give him the option of doing just that and if it’s a quarterback, so be it.

The Bears needs just aren’t as glaring as they once were. Two weeks ago they needed two inside linebackers, two defensive linemen, a safety, possibly a corner, running back and an offensive lineman. They crossed both the linebacker needs off the list, as well as the need for an offensive tackle in free agency. Unless DeForest Buckner drops, I don’t see good value at defensive line with the 11th pick. The same may be true with running back, cornerback and safety. So, where do they go at 11? Best player available. Which might be a quarterback.

Pace deserves credit for what he accomplished in free agency and he might not be done. While the Bears are far from perfect, they should be able to contend for the playoffs. Unless, of course, Jay Cutler gets hurt. That’s the one guy they simply can’t lose with the way their roster is currently constructed, which makes getting a backup quarterback a priority. A quarterback drafted with the 11th pick should be able to fill in for Cutler if he were to suffer an injury. I’m not sure they can get that in the later rounds.

Many view the projection of a quarterback to the Bears as an anti-Cutler sentiment, but Jeremiah made it pretty clear that it wasn’t about Cutler at all. The fact of the matter is Cutler will be 33 shortly after the draft and he has never played all 16 games for the Bears, missing at least a quarter of the season twice. His salary cap hit reaches $20 million in 2019 and $21.7 million in 2020, when he’ll be 35 and 36, assuming he plays that long. These are legitimate problems.

The Bears are building the rest of their roster around Cutler, but they’re still  two years away from seriously contending for the Super Bowl. Even if they do win a Super Bowl with Cutler, the question about what to do next has to be answered. Developmental quarterbacks are usually just bad and the Bears might not have a better chance to get a capable quarterback than they do this year.

I don’t think it’s a safe assumption that Cutler will play the rest of his contract out. He’s a smart dude, a family man with three young children and a pretty extensive concussion history. Cutler loves football, but surely not as much as he loves his kids. He doesn’t like the fame and doesn’t need the money.

Wentz was his highest-rated player on Jeremiah’s board when he picked for the Bears. If the Bears’ board is similar and the draft falls like Jeremiah had it, it’ll be hard for them to pass. The Bears have done their homework on Wentz, even speaking to his high school coach. They also have two other picks in the top 75, which should yield starters and Fox and Fangio have shown the ability to find good defensive starters late in the draft.

I’m not saying it’s going to happen. I still think it’s unlikely that one of the top quarterbacks would even reach the Bears. I also think he’d get some push-back from his 61-year-old head coach, who loves his current quarterback and probably won’t be around for the next one.

But Pace’s activity over the last week has given him the option and its an option many teams would love to have. If a quarterback is the best player on his board and he thinks the team can still contend without a contribution from their first round pick, they just might take a quarterback.

Unlikely, but not crazy.

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  • The GP Experiment

    The only way to stockpile playmakers is to consistently take the best player available, and the only way to win a Super Bowl is to stockpile your roster with playmakers.

    Amazing insight from the Hubster, whose writing is degrading into nonsense.

    http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/football/professional/bears/hub-arkush-bears-pace-appears-to-have-a-plan/article_9844376a-4b9f-5376-8638-1d03858430d0.html

    • Ososfan

      Thanks for mentioning its was Hub, didn’t read the article but that quote is a direct quote from Pace himself..

  • The GP Experiment

    Pace will take Buckner if he’s there, otherwise he’ll take DL.

    We’ve all been here too long and seen too many drafts to buy into the BPA bullshit that every GM spins.

    The only one who actually probably followed BPA was Emery, and that’s because he was an abject moron whose list of “best” matched exactly nobody else’s.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I think OT Ronnie Stanley, ND, is now a possibility if he’s still there at 11.

    • That Guy

      He always has been. Immediate upgrade over Leno, even though Leno means we’re not desperate.

      • AlbertInTucson

        A lot of mocks have Stanley going in the top 10.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Me too. Leno isn’t the guy. We have to keep Cutty upright or none of this shit works anyway.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I understand Myles Jack did nothing to hurt his top 10 status at his pro day workout.

    • MB30SD

      Al, you know better than that as a blog elderly statesman.

      Link please sir!

      • AlbertInTucson

        It was a report I heard on NFL radio “Movin the Chains”. Jim Miller.

      • Jack didn’t run the 40 from what I read, but will in April.

        He’ll likely blow that and the 10yd split up, and the Cowgirls will draft him before us.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I only heard it as a Jim Miller assertion on NFL radio.

    • That Guy

      Jack’s a stud. But my question for those who want him: do you still take him in the first round even though we just signed two stud ILBs?

      • AlbertInTucson

        Sounds like it’s a decision the Bears will not face because he’ll be gone top 10.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Yes – and I take Darron Lee if he’s there too.
        Both guys can be slotted in lots of ways other than just ILB.

      • Irish Sweetness

        No, but you trade down, draft Ragland and Derrick Henry, draft an OT in the second and win the damn super bowl. Ragland learns behind the vets, you occasionally blitz him from OLB, and he’s there for injuries with Timu.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Top 5 methinks.

  • SC Dave

    I would be okay with Wentz, tho not thrilled.

  • dmckendree@post.com

    If Bennett can’t be traded do not cut him. He then has only three choices 1. pout like a baby and lose out on a potential big payday next season somewhere else 2.get his act together as a good teammate play hard and perform better than last season for a big contract . 3.retire. Cutting him is giving him and NFL GM’s what they want. He signed a contract he needs to honor.it. Poor little rich baby..

    • MB30SD

      He will pick #1 erra time dude. It’s why we’re in this position in the first place. He’s a POS

    • BillW

      I agree with this. Fox has control of the team – they believe in him. Bennet will find himself in worse shape if he’s a bad teammate than if he keeps relatively quiet (for him at least) and plays his best.

      They could always send him over the middle enough times that…

  • Ososfan

    From what I’m assuming, Pace and staff are pretty good talent evaluators. I think Pace will go with adding the best Playmaker available in the first round but it not being a QB. I can see maybe in the second round if one is there to develop for the future…

  • CanadaBear

    I’ve said all along if Pox feels the value is there, they will select a QB at 11. I hope they don’t because of bigger needs. However, if they go that route and he sits and learns behind JC for 2-3 years who knows? The Sex Cannon pick seemed to traumatize mgmt. Since then only Neckbeard has been higher than a 5th rounder and he was a 4th rounder. Krenzel 2004 5th rd, Orton 2005 4th rd, Lefevour 2010 6th rd, Enderle 2011 5th rd and Fales 2014 6th rd.

  • That Guy

    “His salary cap hit reaches $20 million in 2019 and $21.7 million in 2020, when he’ll be 35 and 36, assuming he plays that long. These are legitimate problems.”

    That’s what starting QBs cost in this league (as Jeff pointed out a couple of posts ago). Those cap numbers are not a problem if Cutler is still producing like a franchise starter.

    The question is whether the Bears actually think Wentz is good. QBs are always drafted too high, but that’s due to desperation more than actually being over-rated. Pace said last year that he wanted to draft a QB, but that the QBs (who were almost all drafted too high) didn’t stick around where the Bears saw them as good values.

    I’ve said before that I like Dak Prescott as a second round pick. If the DUI thing drops his value, maybe he’s a third round pick. Walterfootball’s latest mock (which is admittedly all over the place) has the Bears taking Connor Cook in the third round and the Broncos taking Prescott further on the third as well. If that was the way the draft actually happened, I would take Prescott in the third in a heartbeat.

    Personally, I don’t put a first round grade on Wentz, but Pace will have spent a lot more time looking into him than I have.

    • BillW

      Agree – by 2019 $20 million will seem cheap for QB. It almost does already.

  • Sactowns#1

    No, drafting a QB in the first round would be insane and season ending suicide.

    • That Guy

      Why? If we get two or three good defenders in rounds 2-4, we’d still be able to beef up the D.

      We drafted White last year, he went down, and losing one player didn’t kill our season. Our offense was actually still pretty good, but our defense killed our season. No one guy on D can carry that whole side of the team. Bucker, Jack, Ramsey, Bosa… none of those guys is going to make or break our season.

      The only single player that can kill a season is Cutler. If he goes down and his backup is someone like Curtis Painter (the guy that led the Colts to a #1 pick when Manning went down), our season is done. Backup QB is the single most important non-starter on the team.

      • Sactowns#1

        Actually, one could argue that our offense was hamstrung all season and thus became highly predictable because we only had one WR.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But White will start this year. Wentz would never start hopefully. We’re trying to win a super bowl, thinking about ‘the future’ hamstrings us. We need a baller in the first round, second round ….

  • BillW

    Jeff’s article makes a lot of sense in my opinion. They have the flexibility to truly draft the best player available. he only positions I’d not want to see them take is WR and RB. We should be set at WR and RBs these days just don’t have that much value. We likely need another QB somewhere so why not take one of the top ones in the draft if available?

    Highly unlikely he will actually be there given the premium the rules now place on that one out of 22 positions, but if he is, how can they pass him up?

    • BillW

      Sorry – didn’t realize it was Andrew. I forgot it was Wednesday.

    • Bender McLugh

      Hmm…is Wentz really all that?

      • CanadaBear

        He’s got the arm and the size. That’s all I got.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Why not draft Elliott? He’s your Neal Anderson for 8 years. You trade Carey for a third. Boom.
      Elliott looks like a keeper, and we just lost our #1.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    What was the point of this? It’s unlikely – yes. Is it whackadoodle crazy? No. Does that mean it’s worth discussing, since it’s unlikely to happen and not a great idea? No.
    Gimme a Jeff article.

    • Bender McLugh

      Boom! Smack!

    • CanadaBear

      I think it’s a legit possibility. I’m hoping it doesn’t happen but … Jeff’s poll yesterday was pretty underwhelming as far as posts go.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Can’t disagree with that. It was filler.
        I totally think a QB at 11 is bananas though.

        • CanadaBear

          I’m not crazy about it and don’t think it will happen but if Pox thinks it’s their guy and the Bears might not be picking this high for a while (hopefully).

    • willbest

      I think the QB market being what it is demonstrates that Cutler isn’t going anywhere for 3 years and probably 4 years unless you know you are getting the next Tom Brady. So it makes no sense to use 11 on a QB now.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    The idea that an 11-slot rookie quarterback can step in and replace Cutler if he gets hurt is the worst f-cking justification I’ve heard for drafting a QB with a top 15 pick ever, in the history of the world.
    It wouldn’t f-cking help, it just costs us a shot at somebody who actually might take the field if the wheels DON’T come off.

    • SC Dave

      I have trouble with all the talk about building through the draft, and then not using it to get a guy you really think is your future QB

      That how the fudge made Rodgers, after all. Seems to have worked for them.

      • willbest

        But they didn’t get him at 11. 11 seems more like fill a need type a pick

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        If you think HE is the guy, and that he’ll be replacing your starter before his rookie contract is up, sure. Rodgers was a projected #1 overall pick that was available at 24.
        I think this kid is marginal top-15…and we have other needs.

        • SC Dave

          Fact is Rodgers was number 24. And the Packers still had favre

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yup. David Fales is the guy that steps in. This is why he has been with this team, and remains with this team. I have no idea who Wentz is, but he is not stepping in for Cutty in Week 2, no. Fales could. So if we wasted our pick on Wentz …well it’s all Moot as we’re not picking him even if he’s there. It’s like saying to Cutty, you’re gone, and he’s not.

  • willbest

    Merrick Garland. Interesting play by Obama. I had about 2-dozen if then scenarios run through my head when I heard the pick. Too many to put on paper, but this was a masterful political move on his part.

    • Sactowns#1

      I would hate for us to get more women or people of color on the court.

      • willbest

        Is Thomas a person of color in your eyes?

        • Sactowns#1

          Of course he is. Considering our country is made up of more then half women we should probably have more women in the court. Asian people are woefully under represented on the court as are Hispanics. Even an ideological minority would be nice.

          • willbest

            Sac, I probably should just agree to disagree on this, but if the US Supreme Court were proportional based on race it would be 1 Black, 1 Hispanic, 5 whites, and 1 half Asian with another minority mix.

            Which means you are basically saying Obama needed to appoint a half-asian, quarter black, quarter hispanic to the court. Good luck finding one of those with a law degree and the intellectual muscle to sit on the court.

            Of course, none of that matters because race and gender are trivial concerns. What matters is jurisprudence diversity if in fact, you care about diversity.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        STRIPPERS!

      • SC Dave

        Oh gawd

        • Sactowns#1

          You know the Lord understands what you mean no matter how you spell it.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      What, doing his job?

      • willbest

        No the type of pick he made was masterful.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Did you think he was going to pick a Harriet Miers?

          • willbest

            No I expected Obama to go with superficial exterior diversity with the same hardcore leftist ideology of Kagan, Ginsberg, Sotomayor and Breyer. The GOP would have nothing to lose by denying such a person and we would go into November with a POTUS/SCOTUS base turnout war.

            He gave the GOP a moderate-left judge, who is 63 instead of the modern 50-55.

            Except the GOP can’t even remotely consider it until after their primary season if they want to stop Trump. Since Trump didn’t win Ohio he won’t be able to put this away until June. Which means Obama can withdraw the nomination in 60 days because the GOP is being unreasonable.

            Now from the GOP side, Garland is a gift if you are going to lose in November, but if you take the gift you will lose in November.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            What cracks me up is the fact that this is all about the horse-race, not about whether he’ll be a good, solid arbiter of American law.

          • willbest

            That is because America lost sight of what is and isn’t constitutional a long time ago, and it became better to allow the court become a super legislature than to make the hard calls and Amend the constitution.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            When was that, exactly?

          • willbest

            I don’t know, but answer me this. If the 14th Amendment (equal protection) means what you think it means, why was it necessary to pass the 19th Amendment (women’s right to vote)?

            And do you know that the reason the War on Drugs is lawful where we needed an amendment to ban alcohol is because between the two instances the SC changed the meaning of the Commerce Clause. How can something that has been read one way for 150 years all of a sudden mean something else?

          • That Guy

            Whoa whoa whoa. The commerce clause shift was the result of the industrial revolution and railroads basically changing the way commerce worked in the country. And the war on drugs is a fight against stuff that was already illegal. They didn’t make more stuff illegal, they just spent a ton of cash trying to actually prevent it getting in from the Mexican border (and failed).

            We do not want to go back to the pre-depression interpretation of the commerce clause. Globalization is pushing us the other way and on issues that are truly related to commerce, that’s a good thing.

          • willbest

            The federal government can not make drugs illegal without the authority of the commerce clause. And you just proved my point. Pass the amendment.

          • That Guy

            Its virtually impossible to pass an amendment these days. But I do agree that it would be nice to see about a dozen new amendments fixing issues that have come up lately. I head a podcast on this issue recently actually… a few suggestions that come to mind:

            1 – Make the amendment process easier. If you want amendments to be more common there should be a viable process to get them done.
            2- Fix the “natural born” ambiguity in presidential qualifications. Make it mean whatever you want, but make it clear.
            3 – Have a serious conversation about eliminating the electoral college.
            4 – Draft an amendment that better defines how the courts should interpret the constitution (“living” vs “dead,” probitive value of legislative history, etc.)
            5 – Create a baseline right to healthcare (anywhere from right to treatment for imminently fatal conditions up to a right to affordable insurance)
            6 – Create a baseline right to privacy
            7 – Create a constitutional definition of marriage, beginning of life, end of life
            8 – Eliminate the filibuster as a legislative tool, possibly create a new 60% threshhold for certain legislation in the senate
            9 – Consider term limits for Supreme Court Justices, new nominating process for district court judges
            10 – Give the right to vote and representation in congress to all US territories including Samoa, Guam, and D.C.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            My addition would be the expansion of the House of Representatives based on a census based formula, with no increase in total salaries.

          • Sactowns#1

            My #1 would be proportional representation like they have in other countries. If 10% of the people vote for a socialist party then they get 10% of the seats. Etc etc. The level of discourse and dialogue in this country is appallingly limited. We need more voices and more ideas.

          • I think in theory this might work, but the fear is that such a system creates too many pluralities where nothing gets done.

            For example, if 10% is communist and 10% is libertarian, on what issues will they ever agree on?

            Then, it’s the middle part social, dems, reps that will really only get stuff done, but isn’t that what we already have?

            I mean, we don’t get shit done with only TWO parties, imagine like 5.

            Not saying it might not work, but it is worth debating.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Proportional representation is supposed to encourage compromise – you are less likely to see the type of legislative gridlock we have when coalitions can be formed to bypass intransigent parties.

          • Well, let’s take an example.

            Say, Health Care.

            So, the Communist would settle for nothing less than absolute coverage. If s/he does, then s/he really is no longer a communist really.

            The libertarian would settle for nothing less than NO federal coverage, and would probably like menu style hospitals where you can walk in and compare how much a liver transplant costs at USC County Medical vs Cook County hospital. Ya know, free market and all.

            A “compromising” communist is really a socialist/dem

            A “compromising” libertarian is a republican.

            Which is really what we already have, and even then, they don’t compromise much (esp the Rep).

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I’m not going to advocate that we move to a British model, but the point is that there would be more than two parties. In order to have influence, the minor parties would have to make concessions, and vice versa. Major parties that did not have a majority by themselves would need to negotiate compromises in the legislative agenda in order to hold their majority.

          • I like the idea. But it’s like Shea.

            On paper, looks like it should work great.
            But in reality, not so much.

            The U.S. is the most diverse country in the world. Not saying it won’t work, but I don’t think that model will fly in the U.S.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            There are US states where minor parties actually do influence the legislative outcome.
            Anyway, I’m not advocating for it. It is what it is.

          • Sometimes I wish we can colonize planets just for socio-political experients.

            Oh, that’s planet libertarian, let’s see how that’s doing.
            Oh, that’s planet communist, let’s check in

            But, for now, we’re all stuck on this miserable rock hurling through space.

            This planet is one giant ghetto project.

          • willbest

            I think I read where economist were combing over various MMORPG auction house data because they allowed them to test theories.

          • SC Dave

            Permanent campaigns?!? No thank you.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            We already have those in the HoR.

          • willbest

            Only in 40-50 districts. The rest of us aren’t bothered by such trivialities as who represents us.

          • That Guy

            Israel has a parliamentary system. There are two major parties (Labor and Likkud) that are similar to Democrat and Republican here, but you also have religious parties (evangelicals), far left parties (socialists, anti-war, etc.) and one issue parties (abortion, pension reform, etc.) The party with the most seats has to form a coalition of at least 50% of the government, which frequently results in a “portfolio” or cabinet positions. So for example, if the libertarians got 10% of the vote, the evangelicals got 10%, and the mainstream republicans got 35%, you might see something like President Marco Rubio (to lead the mainstream), Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Huckabee (to give evangelicals control of abortion legislation), Secretary of Commerce Ted Cruz (to loosen government regulation) and maybe Secretary of Veterans Affairs would go to some other fringe party that exists for veteran affairs and got 2% of the vote.

          • Would you like to see that system here?
            Do you think that would work in the U.S.?

          • That Guy

            New thread. But no, I don’t like that system better. I like separation of executive and legislative branches. And the way Congress is structured by state doesn’t leave an easy path to a parliamentary system (voting for a party rather than a candidate). But it might be interesting to see two houses of Congress where one is divided proportionally by state and the other is based on a parliamentary setup (no state specific delegates). You might see the House of Representatives be a two party system and the new “Senate” be the breeding ground for new third party ideas.

          • Yeah, other political structures are interesting, but present their own problems.
            Like I offered the Mexican option for president. Just ONE 6 year term. No re-electing same guy.

            The bonus is that the president can actually do presidential shit and now become a campainer a year into his tenure.

            The bad obviously is 6 years no matter what.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The government always gets in. That’s the problem. They’re all self-serving so and so’s, and regardless of who they were before they got elected, they have to service the machine or get spat out.

          • AlbertInTucson

            We’re almost there now.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They all still suck at the teat of the banks.

          • Sactowns#1

            I thnk any good statesman would compromise. But you have to have that voice at the table saying “everyone should have a right to a healthy happy life” and the other voice saying “not my problem. Let em die in the streets” I want to hear those arguments and let people make up their minds.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Labels are a terrible thing. And sometimes we accept labels that are false.
            It was none other than Penn Jillette who showed me the error of my agnostic ways.

            “Is there a God?” I don’t know. Agnostic.
            “Do you believe in a God?” … you can’t really say “I don’t know” here.

          • SC Dave

            Not getting shit done would be ideal, since the lion’s share of what they do is bad for most of us

          • Sactowns#1

            Why on earth would we need to constitutionally define marriage? How about we define gumars and side chicks too?

          • SC Dave

            Some seriously awful ideas there

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Which ones?

          • Elaborate?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Number 1 should be ‘Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913’.

            All problems solved instantly.

          • Sactowns#1

            Actually, the war on drugs has made a LOT of things illegal. I remember when you could buy GHB at the gym.

          • MB30SD

            Loooove that shit maings. Never used it at the fucking gym, but that stuff was awesome.

            My buddy used to make it in his bathtub. Hahahaha

          • Sactowns#1

            They sold it as a way to be able to sleep at night and get max REM cycles. Seriously, they sold gallon jugs of it with a pump on top, like a damn industrial mayo dispenser.

          • MB30SD

            wow, wish I worked out at your gym. I’m not at ALL a drug guy, but that shit was magic.

          • hopefully, u weren’t in the tub with him. Zing!

            What did it do? Did it make u less sore, lift more, feel more rested?

          • Sactowns#1

            Supposed to make you get max REM sleep which helps with muscle regeneration.

          • MB30SD

            not sure, I used it for recreational use, never lifting. It’s a naturally occurring substance in your body so it metabolizes out in a couple hrs.

            Don’t know about anyone else, but it made me feel a super happy buzz without all the slurring and hangovers and other bad shit that comes with getting drunk.

            People said it was actually good for you, or not bad at least, but who knows. I basically felt like fucking superman. ; )

          • Sold! where’s ur friend’s bathtub again?

          • Bender McLugh

            GHB is actually naturally occurring in your brain while you sleep. A frenchy (of course) synthesized it.

            It’s the only medically agreed-upon aphrodisiac. Like you need that, MB lolz

          • MB30SD

            Hahaha… wasn’t for that… for me at least. Stuff made me feel like superman without any (immediate) side effects.

            That said, I was 25-27 was benching 315 for 12 and was doing Olympic triathlons like crazy… so I thought I was invincible…. then I met me ex. Baaahahahahahaha

          • Ososfan

            I’m 25 now, I wanna be like you when I grow up, MB!

          • I’ve felt like that on numerous occasions.

          • Irish Sweetness
          • Bender McLugh

            stovetop, easy peasy. sched 1 prescurser tho

          • MB30SD

            You read on the innerness huh?

            Sounds like you and I knew what was up. You scoundrel you!

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            The 14th amendment was, in practice, not applied to women. What is your question? My interpretation of the 14th amendment is certainly not going to be the same as some arbitrary dude from 1905.

          • willbest

            But why wouldn’t it be. How are you supposed to know what the Constitution means if it keeps change?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Because language (particularly English) is imprecise. Why else do you have a judicial system?

          • willbest

            To settle disputes. Uncover the facts, and apply a known set of laws.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            To interpret static words to dynamic situations, is the answer you were looking for.

          • Irish Sweetness

            “To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;”

            Boy did that get mis-interpreted ….

    • That Guy

      As to Merrick Garland. I don’t personally like the pick because of my own politics. But I do agree that Obama made a clever nomination from a strategy standpoint.

      Garland is the head of the DC Court of Appeals. That court is notorious for rubber stamping anything the government does – they backed Bush on Guantanamo, they back police on 4th amendment issues, they back the White House in fights with Congress. Garland will side with Roberts in his efforts to limit the power of the Supreme Court and narrow the scope of their decisions.

      I don’t necessarily have an issue with narrowing the scope of SCOTUS opinions, but I do think the Supreme Court plays hide the ball on some issues and forces multiple appeals to resolve one legal ambiguity. More importantly though, I do not want the Court to back down from its responsibility to check the powers of both Congress and the White House. Garland would do exactly that.

      Bush and Obama both worked very hard to expand the government powers – engaging in military activity overseas, spying on American citizens and pushing their pet social agendas. Garland would do nothing prevent that aggressive increase in government power. I don’t like him as a pick.

      • willbest

        I find no fault with your analysis from a jurisprudence standpoint, I was more interested in the political gamesmanship involved since I have largely given up on the Supreme Court as being anything but another political branch.

        I subscribe to the theory that a common person shouldn’t have to wait for 50 million dollars and a half a decade of lawyers fighting to have a reasonable understanding of what his or her rights are. And that it is asinine we don’t have 40-50 more amendments than we do now.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          In their infallible temperaments, our founding fathers made it a real bitch to have that happen.

          • willbest

            Not one of the founding fathers would approve of what we have now.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            No shit – that’s not necessarily, depending on the topic, a bad thing.

          • AlbertInTucson

            They would be absolutely AGHAST.

    • Jokey

      Since he won’t be approved before the election, I don’t think it matters much. Undecided voters won’t be swayed. And since Hillary probably beats Trump in the election, then the Dems put in someone Hillary chooses anyway.

      • Jokey

        I also hijack this political thread with a little Bears talk – I’m meh on re-signing Mariani, as a 4th or 5th receiver option he’s fine, but please let’s get a real returner! Mariani is not enough of a TD threat to warrant all the dancing. Run up the damn field, son!

  • Trac

    Wow!! Pace ‘ s signing ‘ s take a back seat to this. Sigh.

    • willbest

      Who did he sign today? or were you looking for a rundown of all these players years in the league from all-22 footage?

      • Trac

        A diatribe about the new players and some insight on that vs. Mock Draft QB opinion?

  • Sactowns#1

    It’s official, The Jets shall now be known as “the Chicago Bears East”

  • I’m already on record as stating that if Wentz is there, we should take him (for all the aforementioned reasons).

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    I’m kinda hoping Cruz just shows up and debates himself Monday.

    • willbest

      Did Donald say he was skipping? He should.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Yeah, he did. And Kasich followed and said if he can’t debate Donald, he’s not showing up either.

        • willbest

          You couldn’t make this election cycle up if you wanted to.

          • Big Mike

            Donald fuckin Trump? The guy is a cartoon. He’s a shitty real estate developer, (his returns are below REIT index funds over the last 20+ years). Put another way if he’d have taken Daddy’s money and put it in what amounts to a mutual fund, he’d be way ahead. I’m paraphrasing a WSJ article.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            He is still way ahead of anyone by general living standards. I’d take it, lol

          • Big Mike

            Sure. So would I. But his strongest qualifications are being below average at what he does. People are impressed by his wealth. All he manage to do was not mess it up too much.

          • He’s the Manziel of candidates.
            Blessed with every advantage.
            Still sucks.

          • Big Mike

            That’s funny

          • Johnnywad

            Shit. I’d take that in my next President. Just don’t mess it up too much.

            A good friend of mine once said of an election in general, “The best thing we can hope for is evenly divided government, so we get nothing but gridlock for a few years.”

            I laughed then. Now, I’d take it.

          • Big Mike

            Progress in our country has been hijacked, because people are pisse doff and they wrap themselves in pseudo-religious issues, a false idea of patriotism, and some mythical time when things were better. Collectively we forget that we are but one country out of hundreds. We are blessed with the fortune of freedom and possibilities on the day we are born as US citizens. when we accept the politics of hate, exclusion and selfishness we dilute those privileges. Our elections have turned into reality shows. I don’t care if Hillary keeps stepping in shit. I do care if she can force debate and compromise with the nimrods in the house and senate. I don’t care about Ted Cruz and his religious beliefs, I do care that he is so concerned with mine. As for Trump…. Please he’s a fucking joke. He always has been. A rich asshole.

          • willbest

            Hard to understand you. On the one hand you are talking like a globalist free trader, on the other hand you got a lot of social justice wrapped up in there.

            Don’t know what progress you are talking about. How will we know when it is done? What makes you think it won’t look like Greece? or worse, Argentina?

          • Big Mike

            Exactly. I’m an entrepreneur. I’ve started and built 5 companies. Sold 3. Currently working involved with 2. None have ever done more than $10 million in revenue. Biggest was $8m. Smallest was $250k.

            I believe in forgiveness and helping out the less fortunate. I don’t care who you sleep with, who you pray to if anyone, or what color your skin is. I try to understand the cause behind perceived and real social injustice.

            Progress is trying to continually improve. Prioritizing issues and de-politicizing them. Start with things that everyone should be able to agree on. Like improvements to the nations infrastructure. Roads, bridges, electrical grid, air traffic control. Recreate the middle class by, rebuilding the nation. Eliminate corporate offshoring of profits and so on

          • Irish Sweetness

            And there you have it Mike, take the politics out of running countries. There are a few countries in Europe that do things well, mostly Scandanavian. They focus on issues not politics. People, not the cult of personality.

          • willbest

            And you think the anti-male candidate is the best suited to lead the largest male dominated public works revolution since the new deal?

          • Big Mike

            I think she’s the most competent of the field. I’ve never seen her as anti male. Only in memes. Germany, which is even more of a male dominant society has been led quite successfully by a Angela Merkel who has been elected to 3, 4 year terms.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Bit it was just handed to him. He portrays this image of being a successful business man who can get things done, and he just isn’t that guy. If he had to appear on The Apprentice, as a n apprentice, he’d be booted off in seconds.

          • willbest

            The key is “and never spent it” He lived that whole time burning millions a year.

          • Big Mike

            I’ll find the article. The difference wasn’t close. It was 100s of millions worse.

          • Big Mike

            It was a Forbes article. The variance was between $4.5 and $13.2 billion. The

            variance was caused by different start times and who was estimating the beginning net worth. (trump claimed in 1976 to be worth $200million, Business Week magazine estimated his net worth at $100B in 1978)

            Trump’s dealing are also highly leveraged, vs simply putting the money in a REIT. So they are riskier..

            “Using both independent and self-reported estimates of his net worth, Donald Trump has underperformed his real estate investor peers by 48% and 57%, despite taking more risk. Donald Trump”

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesleadershipforum/2016/03/03/has-donald-trump-underperformed-in-the-real-estate-business/#1cbcb4925506

          • willbest

            My point is when you park $10 million into a luxury condo not only are you not getting any return on investment you are losing a couple hundred thousand a year in property taxes and condo dues. Money that I spend on my Trump airplane is not money earning 14% over 35 years.

            Its not as simple as saying Donald is worth $100 million in 1978 and if he would have stuck it in REIT with dividend reinvest it would be worth 4.5 billion. Because he is not living the high life, banging models, in the public eye, somebody politicians want to talk to, etc.

            I mean you can’t take it with you right?

          • Big Mike

            Yes it is. If you measure his performance vs a fund the comparison holds. The Fund has management fees of 1% or in this case 1 million a year growing to $130 million a year, taken out of its rate of return. Expenses like condo fees etc are the cost of doing business also deducted from the rate of return on the REITs.

          • willbest

            Not investment properties. His own residence. His new york penthouse, his Malibu retreat, his yacht, whatever the hell else he spends his money on.

          • Big Mike

            Equates to the management fee (profit) for the REIT manager. Might not be the same amount, Although in the later years 1.2 billion a year ought to cover it. Point is he sucked at his job

          • willbest

            14.4% annual ROI on 1 million dollars over 35 years is 111 million. So if he spends $5 million on a luxury home in Malibu in 1980, it would have cost him $555 million dollars in net worth in 2015 less of course what he could sell the home for.

            Thus is the power of compound interest.

          • Big Mike

            Please.. I eat that stuff for breakfast. His return on his assets is terrible. It’s as simple as that. He was born wealthy and he’s not added shit. how much he spends only adds to what an asshole he is.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And it’s pretty hard not to make make money when you have a lot of money. You’ve got to be a spectacular doosh to actually start losing it.

          • Big Mike

            Starting on 3rd base and thinking you hit a triple.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And he pretends to be smart, that’s the worst.
            Referring to his education: “I’ve got big words ….”

            SMH.

          • Big Mike

            Laughing.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I misquoted him. I found it.
            “I went to an Ivy league school. I’m very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words …”

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            You ain’t kidding.

        • Sactowns#1

          “I’m gonna take my ball and go home!”

        • BillW

          Smart move on Donald’s part. And it’s pointless for Cruz and Kasich to debate each other.

          Fox cancelled the debate, btw.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Booo…

          • Sactowns#1

            This is why republicans cant have nice things.

      • I think the Republicans are scared shitless right now.

        I was watching Fox last night, and there’s a very thinly veiled sense of panic. They were trying to figure out all the ways Trumpf can get usurped without pissing off their voters.

        I heard everything from Kasich-Cruz-Rubio ticket, to the highest ranking rep senator (forgot his name) coming in and “saving” the party.

        Most agreed that even if the rep establishment hijacked the nomination, that Trumpf would be so pissed he’d run as a 3rd party candidate that would spell certain doom for the Rep.

        Meanwhile, Hillary is consistently ahead of Trumpf on national polls by at least 10%.

        To put that in perspective, that is a wider margin than Obama had over Mitt.

        And all this was on FOX who would normally be serenading a candidate that energized their base.

        In other words, the rep are FUCKED.

        • BillW

          I tend republican and never thought I could ever imagine a candidate that could make me vote for Hillary. I assumed I’d vote for whoever the Republican was even though I don’t care much for Cruz and didn’t think Rubio was ready, and really was underwhelmed with another in the Bush clan.

          And then Donald kept winning. how many under ticket people will he take down? It’s 1972 in reverse – when Dems refused to support McGovern.

          The party can’t yank the nomination from him. He will be the nominee – at least he “should” be without an arbitrary one time rewrite of the rules. In which case the Republicans loose nearly all his supporters.

          So Donald has to be the nominee and then be defeated by landslide proportions in order to eventually save the Republican party.

          POTUS Hillary and FGOTUS Bill thank Trump every day I’m sure.

          I too would love to see a viable third party as suggested in another series of posts.

          • They created a monster.
            They figured they can use Trumpf to energize the dormant then dump him. But they were riding a tiger and now are trying to declaw it, but can’t.

            Like Rubio so eloquently expressed in his concession speech, ‘there needs to be a conservative movement that appeals to more than fear and frustration…a party that’s based on principle’ but that ship has passed, and fear and frustration are very powerful motivators.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Expect to hear that line 3-4 more times in rapid succession.

          • BillW

            One thing I’ve always found sad in elections – I’m talking all the way back to Carter/Ford in 1976 when I first noticed it – is how likable the candidates are when they finally step out. I wind up feeling that if they were simply themselves during the whole campaign, they might have done much better.

            The Donald is most likely being himself. I think Obama was close to being himself. I think W was too. No surprise to me that they both won two terms.

            People want to like the guy they vote for – even though most of them will wind up disliking him within a few years. There are a LOT of people who like Trump, and Sanders too for that matter.

            But Rubio still would have lost.

          • Trac

            Trump is like a pesky booger that I roll up into a ball between my thumb and index finger as I’m driving down the road. No matter how hard I try, I never seem to be able to flick them away.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Matthew McConauhay (sp?) in his early Lincoln commercials would agree with you

          • Irish Sweetness

            Two parties. The illusion of choice. These crooks or those crooks.

        • willbest

          Donald isn’t nearly as offensive as people think he is. And I am going to preface that by saying “if you believe him” which nobody should, but that is true of all politicians. Yes he comes off as crass but there is blue collar/new yorker charm in that. But here are his policy positions

          1) He has the closet foreign policy to Bernie Sanders as anybody else running
          2) He is socially moderate
          3) He, like Bernie, is against TPP and NAFTA, and in favor of fair trade
          4) He talks about the wall and deporting millions, but says he is willing to compromise, and he is in favor of legal immigration.
          5) He believes in universal coverage

          And obviously he throws out red meat to various republican constituencies.

          1) Reform and make the VA better
          2) Corporate tax rate reduced to 15%
          3) End department of education and block grant the money out for the states (make education local)
          4) A number of pro law enforcement stances.

          Lastly, if you think for a second that Cruz wouldn’t have 10-20 agitators interrupting every one of his rallies if he were the front runner with the same calls of “outrage” you are kidding yourself. Every GOP nominee Goldwater has been called a racist or hitler.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Weird, I see people making the same comments about Obama literally every single day on my FB and twitter feeds.

        • Johnnywad

          We’re all fucked Butch. All of us. You think Hillary is a good fit? That woman scares the shit out of me.

      • The GP Experiment
        • willbest

          Is she 52 in that photo? Solid body for her age.

    • Maybe he can bring a chair like Clint Eastwood.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I am still embarrassed for him.

        How about a soup can? Can we ‘draft’ a soup can to go to the debate?

        • Johnnywad

          We already have several. Pick one.

      • Sactowns#1

        Oh man that Clint Eastwood stunt will go down as one of the dumbest attempted take downs of all time.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    I am not opposed to drafting a QB at 11 with Jay’s history of injuries. Seriously, Pickles, Hanie, Campbell, Collins.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Well, if we were interested in Coples, he’s gone – signed with the Rams.

  • MB30SD
    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      34 yrs old so no.

      • MB30SD

        He’s still a beast maings

      • AlbertInTucson

        35 on November 3.

    • Looks solid, but our cup runneth over now.

      • Sactowns#1

        Agreed

    • Trac

      Can he still play?

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        He was the Browns leading tackler last year (somewhere north of 100 tackles total + 3 picks).
        I think he can still play, but is he going to backup Freeman and Trevathan? I don’t think so.

        • That Guy

          The team cut him because of a “rebuilding process” but waited until a week into free agency to do it? That probably cost him ten million dollars.

          I’d be a lot less diplomatic than Dansby is being.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Dumpster-fire organization.

          • MB30SD

            They are straight up hot garbage. Smh

    • The GP Experiment

      Hello DJ Williams…. errrr….Karlos….

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Sir Digby Chicken Caesar.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Liked what I saw of Dansby when he was a Cardinal but, he turns 35 in December.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Correction. He turns 35 November 3.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Lance Dunbar visiting the Bears today.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    We have a new long-snapper, btw…

    • willbest

      Does Pace hire him, or does Robbie and Pat just get together and go find somebody they like?

      • CanadaBear

        His last 4 years were in Denver.

        • MB30SD

          I am mb30’s shocked look.

        • AlbertInTucson

          The Broncos must feel like a pinata.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis
    • Sactowns#1

      Oh hell yeah!

    • WTH? there’s more to this story than this.

      “However, the Ravens have prioritized this offseason becoming a more
      athletic secondary and forcing more turnovers, and they apparently feel
      that Webb is a better fit.”

      I know he smokes weed. Maybe that?

      But I was like Jeff, all aboard the Will Hill train

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Weddle signing ate up some cap space too.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      If he can stay on the straight and narrow…he’s had some issues. 3 suspensions for violation of the NFL drug policy? Talent for days though.

      • The GP Experiment

        THe Bears have such a long history with low character guys.

    • Trac

      Absolutely. What’s he under investigation for?

      • MB30SD

        Who cares

        • willbest

          Maybe the Bengals are entitled to first dibs per NFL regulations

          • The GP Experiment

            The “Nobody’s Burfict” Rule

          • MB30SD

            Hee hee

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I reward you +420 blog points.

          • willbest

            I read that again an hour later, and still chucked.

      • AlbertInTucson

        He’s facing a 10 game suspension.

        • Trac

          Aaah. You just knew it had to be something.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    I think I may be living in the wrong country, we found out the other day about Strippers at funerals in China, now I find this, a Chinese company offering a night with a porn star as a bonus.

    http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/06/chinese-companys-employees-can-pick-night-with-a-porn-star-as/

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    a poster brought up the other day the fact that the Vikings new stadium is located on Chicago Avenue. Evidently the Vikings petitioned to get the street name changed and were shot down.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/minneapolis-refuses-to-free-vikings-from-unfortunate-address-194128283.html

  • So, now that we know Will Cyrpess Hill is suspended for 10 games, do we sign him and ride him the last 6 games and through our SB run?

    Remember, same scenario as before essentially. And our window might not even be this year.

    What say the gallery, Yay, Nay?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/16/will-hills-latest-suspension-is-for-10-games/

    • willbest

      So he has to take a spot on your 53 for 10 weeks? That might be okay in week 1, but when you get 3-4 guys on short term injuries that becomes a juggle.

  • Shady

    BREAKING: Martysaurus Rex traded to New England for draft pick compensation, possible swap.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      gives us an additional 5+mill in cap space also.

  • CanadaBear

    Schefter saying swap of low rd draft picks is the compensation for the Bears. Black Uni+Gronk= fuck me, for the opposing DB’s.

    • Rap said Bears got Pats 4rth but gave a 6th and swapped a mid round pick?

      Either way, glad that bozo is gone.

      For some reason, Bill doesn’t like WRs. Only exception was Moss.

      • willbest

        that is exactly what I was hoping for. 6th for 4th

        • I’m trying to find the details cuz Rappaport didn’t exactly go into detail.
          He seemed to say two things, their 4rth for our 6th and mid-round swap, but don’t know if he considered the former a mid-round swap, or if we gave a 6th AND swapped another mid rounder with Pats (essentially, pats move up, we move down).

      • CanadaBear

        I’ll miss his production. I won’t miss his … personality.

  • CanadaBear

    Had to laugh about the White Sox player that retired and walked away from $13 mil this year because the GM asked him to stop bringing his kid into the clubhouse every day. The best part, the player had a horrible year last year and is doing the Sox a favor by retiring. DUH!

    • willbest

      Life when you have FU money.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Sox are a dumpster fire anyways. I think it’s a lot easier to tell yourself that putting your family first to get away from that team is a no-brainer. If someone walked away like that, who knows what the hell else is going on there.

      For those saying that this saves the Sox some trouble, no it doesn’t…..LaRouche (sp?) was a coveted free agent. The Sox paid a lot of money and did other crazy moves to “win now” and the entire team was a colossal failure last year. There’s poison in the air in the South Side and I think more stink is going to come out.

      • CanadaBear

        Don’t disagree about the Sox but walking away from 13 mil because they hurt your feelings? WOW!

  • Anyone see this guy in college? Can he return kicks? If he falls to the 4rth or beyond, might be worth a spin.

    According to NFL Network’s James Palmer, a “general
    consensus” among NFL scouts at Baylor WR Corey Coleman’s Pro Day had him
    at 4.40 in the forty-yard dash.

    On Twitter, we saw reports of Coleman being timed as fast
    as 4.33, and as “slow” as 4.43 on his two runs. According to Coleman’s
    agent, he is only at “80-90 percent” health following sports hernia
    surgery. Coleman stands 5-foot-10 1/2, 194 pounds and is one of the
    most explosive prospects in an otherwise underwhelming 2016 draft class.
    He projects as a fringe first-/second-round pick. – Roto

    • The GP Experiment

      Team CoCo. Goodnight speed.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Wendall Williams is a WR/KR and ran a 4.19. He may go undrafted.

  • willbest

    I think Marty didn’t like Thanksgiving with his brother tapping the ring while waiting for pie to be served.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Daniel Jeremiah does not create stirs. Anywhere. Nobody cares.
    We are not drafting Carson Wentz at 11.

    • Big Mike

      Wouldn’t be awful

      • Irish Sweetness

        Over an Elliott, Stanley, Ragland, Bruckner ? I’d scweam and I’d scweam!

        • Big Mike

          Short term brain, vs long term brain. An Elliot, Stanley, Ragland (no longer needed), type player will be available every year and in the bottom third of the first round, where the Bears will be drafting for the next decade (please, please). Drafting 11 and taking a QB who has the physical attributes of a top 5 QB, who needs time to develop, could be the tailor made fit for the Bears QB situation.

          Could be.. or not. But it wouldn’t be awful.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Wtf Jeff….just read your last few tweets.

    You OBVIOUSLY don’t care about NCAA BB, why bother asking to join anyone’s league.

    And: Some former players from the Lovie/Tressie eras were pricks, there’s a reason they are gone now. We don’t need assholes body slamming teammates in practice nor shit talkers in the locker room. We need motherfuckers knocking Stafford and Rodgers on their asses, aka, players playing football and showing why they are really there. Locker room and on-field professionalism IS important, seriously.

    Your articles and your comments on Twitter are starting to feel like two very different person, makes me worried.

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