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Bears Dominate Vikings in Jay’s Return

| November 1st, 2016

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Jay Cutler was great. The defense was great. And the Bears dominated a team someone (me) told you was a great match-up for them. Rapid fire.

  • The pass rush did exactly what it should against that Vikings offensive line. Minnesota had no answer for McPhee, Floyd or Hicks.
  • Jordan Howard is the real deal and it seemed John Fox came to that realization at some point Monday night. This is not a player who should be rotating at the running back position. He is their best runner at the position, their best pass catcher at the position and a solid pass blocker. Spell him, of course, but he should be getting twenty-five touches every week.
  • Two plays stood out to Jon Gruden Monday night when it came to Cutler. One, obviously, was the step up in the pocket shuffle pass to Howard for a big gain. The other was far more subtle. Later in the game. First down. The pocket collapsed on Cutler and he scrambled to his left and ran for a gain of one or two. Was it a big play? No. Does Brian Hoyer lose seven or eight yards on it? Absolutely. That’s the difference.

  • My favorite Cutler moment? Passing on the opportunity to launch the ball downfield to Deonte Thompson in favor of the safe checkdown to Zach Miller. Maturity? Comfort in the system?
  • Zach Miller is a solid, reliable tight end.
  • Alshon Jeffery’s performance early in this game was…absurd? Cutler’s first throw to him in the end zone was high but AJ had no idea where the ball was. He then had two balls go off his helmet, including an easy touchdown reception. Jeffery is a terrific receiver and the Bears should make him part of their future but he ain’t Julio Jones or AJ Green or Antonio Brown or Odell Beckham Jr. The Bears can’t pay him like he is.
  • The coverage skills of Trevathan and Freeman do something the defenses of last few years could not do: force opponents to fight hard for that one yard on third-and-one. Those Kyle Rudolph flat catches would go for a dozen yards a clip in years gone by.
  • Bears started Bausby, LeBlanc, Larsen and Kush and all of them played pretty well. That’s coaching.
  • Dowell Loggains calls an entirely different game for Cutler than he did for Hoyer. He trusts Cutler. It’s obvious.
  • Forget about the Vikings going to a Super Bowl. That team last night could easily miss the playoffs if they don’t fix their offensive line. And even if they do fix their offensive line, that collection of offensive talent stinks and will stink worse when the line gets Bradford seriously injured in the next few weeks.
  • How is this year’s draft class looking? Floyd. Whitehair. Howard. You have a couple drafts like this and a contender emerges.
  • Will Sutton plays small. Bears will be even better defensively when Goldman returns.
  • Full disclosure. I’ve given Pat O’Donnell the benefit of the doubt because he’s been a guest on my pod twice but he’s just not any good. He never bombs one when the Bears punt deep in their own territory and NEVER pins the opponent to their goal line. With the Bears building a bully defense, they must address this position. Ben LeCompte is not on an NFL roster. Bears have two weeks til they play a game. Bring him in.
  • Adrian Amos is a bopper at safety but the Bears need a safety with ball skills and right now they don’t have one. HJQ is far too often out of position.
  • Couple nice flashes from Jonathan Bullard and Corny Washington, moronic penalty aside.

The night belonged to Cutler, especially when Jeffery revealed postgame that it was Cutler’s inspirational address that fired the team up. I argued this was the most important nine-game stretch of Jay’s career. If he plays eight games like last night, he’s going to make it easy for Pace and Fox to look elsewhere in the front half of the first round.

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  • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

    I’m wondering if this first statement win really counts. I mean, Jay didn’t pass for 300 yards…

    • MB30SD

      Sneaky ev with the first. Niiiice.

      • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

        been a while. needed to reassert myself in a big way.

        • MB30SD

          I agree

  • The Yes Guy

    YES!

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    That’s the Alshon dilemma though. If the Bears don’t pay him like one of the best WRs in the NFL, he won’t stick around. Because he knows that somebody in FA will give him that kind of money.

    Is it better to lose him for nothing (they won’t get a high comp. pick because they’ll be spending plenty of FA money this offseason) or pay him a little too much to stick around?

    • Huge Bears Penis

      pay him.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        I’m in that boat, especially if they can front-load the guaranteed $$. They’ll have no cap issues for a couple years still.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If AJ goes, then Jay will be forced to throw it to Cam – who’s just as good. Cutty is playing buddy-buddy with AJ right now and up to his old tricks.

      • CanadaBear

        Meredith is not as good as AJ.

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          Alshon is averaging 80 yards per game the last 4 years, and he has played every game in 3 of those 4 seasons. That’s an average of around 1275 yards per 16-game season, consistently produced over 4 years now.

          You know how many receivers have that level of consistent production the last 4 years? Maybe 10.

          Cameron Meredith is not even close to being one of them. Nice find, might be something. For now we at least know he’s solid depth capable of flashing against the weaker CBs on bad defenses.

          • CanadaBear

            You’re preaching to the choir JW.

      • Joecashflow

        Yeah well another way to say that is he’s throwing it to where the payroll is, Zack and AJ. They pay those guys for a reason. But I agree with you, Cam looks like he can shine. Terrific upside.

    • Joecashflow

      Look, in all probability they won’t have a lot of money tied up in QBs, right? So they can afford AJ while they develop a new QB.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      Bears are going to HAVE to pay Alshon. No way around it.

      Doubt the Bears can tell Alshon, “You’re no Julio” because in his mind, Alshon thinks he’s every bit as good, and his agent will inform him that another team will pay you like Julio.

      Just gotta hope Alshon doesn’t take us to the woodshed. But it wouldn’t surprise me if Alshon became the highest paid WR.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        Nah, he doesn’t have that kind of leverage. But he’ll probably end up somewhere more than Hilton and slightly less than Dez/Julio/D Thomas.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    Corn Washington’s penalty was absurd, but the entire defense needs to be yelled at. There was a ball on the ground and the whistle did not blow. There were players standing around or doing some stupid celebratory dance. I was literally yelling at my TV to pick up the FUCKING BALL. That play made me sick.

    • Bender McLugh

      Wasn’t that Hicks who strolled up to it and just stared at it?

      • CanadaBear

        I thought it was Sutton but I wasn’t sure. Makes you crazy. I’m sure all of us were the same yelling jump on the ball, it’s live!!!!!!!! Granted CornWash shouldn’t have stepped on the field but it’s these type of penalties they call (and the guy that scored Sunday that hugged the official) and then they ignore blatant cheap shots.

      • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

        Yeah. Looked at it like it was a hamburger, then realized it was one of those new Tempeh synth-meat patties and just kept walking.

        • MB30SD

          Mmmmmmmmmm…. synth meeeeaaaaat!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yup. What a loaf.

    • Joecashflow

      Deja vu.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    It is good to see Jeff finally come around and admit that POD sucks. Admitting it is the first step.

  • SC Dave

    In the rush to bash Jeffery, don’t forget the play early where he prevented an interception on a rusty pass from Cutler. Regarding the one that went off the back of his helmet (Gruber (um Gruden) gum flapping to the contrary), it certainly didn’t look as though Alshon had finished his route. Cutler had little time, and threw it the only place where a reception could have been made.

    It just didn’t work.

    All that said, Cutler looked solid, despite the rust. A very encouraging night from him, and from the team in general.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      that interception breakup was just another “heady” play from Jeffery.

      • MB30SD

        Can you make a “necky” play?

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    • Bender McLugh

      Loggains seemed like he called a great game

    • Joecashflow

      I was pretty impressed by that Cutty head shot. Under duress to throw to that tiny spot, like a rocket and hit the helmet. Impressive. I thought Cutty over threw the first TD shot to AJ, which he normally completes. All in all, football is not a perfect sport. There are no perfect games. There were some almost INTs, but also a first class field generalship, so overall a great team win. I could see the emotion in Jay’s eyes at the post game PC. What a relief that must have been. Happy for him. Liked the wife’s tweet. He deserved this day.

      • SC Dave

        A very fair assessment.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    I said after the GB massacre that this team would play .500 ball after the bye. Feeling pretty good about that prediction right now, especially considering MIN is the best team they face (based on record) in the 2nd half of the season. Whole lot of winnable games (though those teams are all looking at CHI as a winnable game, even a game they should win, as well).

    More important: this team has blocks to build on going forward. I’ve been saying for years their biggest problem is they don’t have high-impact players. Well, that’s starting to change. Alshon and Howard are both impact guys on O, and they have nice complementary pieces around them in the skill positions. Plus the best interior OL in the NFL if they can get those guys back.

    On D, the front 7 is becoming a force to be reckoned with. And that’s without Goldman.

    It doesn’t take much imagination to think of this team as one of the best in the NFC in 2017. They have everybody of note back (assuming Alshon gets re-signed) and enough FA money to upgrade the only glaring weakness on the roster: the secondary. Sign a competent safety to pair with Amos, upgrade Porter to be your #1 next to the bevy of developing young CBs, and use your 1st pick to upgrade Bobby Massie at RT (or at least improve OT depth/competition).

    • MB30SD

      Um, qb?

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        They have a perfectly competent QB on the roster right now, as I’ve been maintaining for years. Put a bad roster around him and you’ll have a bad team, but put a good roster around him and you’ll have a good team. We’ve seen both of those play out (good from 2010-12, bad from 13-15), and they look poised to have a good roster for 17 and 18.

        That said, he’s 33, which means you start thinking about the future. And his injury history means you want a backup who can start the 2-3 games he inevitably misses each year. So I’d spend a high pick on a QB to groom behind him.

        But ask yourself this: would you rather go all in on a young QB, with some shit journeyman like Hoyer as your only option should he fail, or keep Cutler around and grab somebody to develop behind him.

        Either way, good odds the rookie doesn’t pan out (them’s the breaks, even for top 5 picks). If he busts in scenario 1, when you dumped Cutler, then you are guaranteed to suck for the next 3 years. A great roster with a Hoyer-level QB is a .500 team, as we saw with HOU the last few years (they just happened to be in the shittiest of shit divisions, which let them make the playoffs and get crushed).

        If you keep Cutler and the guy you drafted busts, then you try again in 3 years when Cutler is done. And you’re a good team for that 3 year window. Best case scenario, the rookie shines when pushed into action and you have a Dak/Romo situation.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I am perplexed at anyone thinking HQJ is not competent as a second year safety.

      • willbest

        There is more to safety than hitting people.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        He is consistently out of position and is going to get hurt a lot because he tackles with his head. I am fine with him as injury depth (3rd safety), but he is not a starter.

  • Thompson Way

    When will the Bears start coaching to get the loose ball after every play (regardless) ? I counted two Bears players that seam to give up on the live ball.

    • BearDown100393

      Should a professional football player actually have to be coached up to play until the whistle before breaking out to a funky beat?

      • SC Dave

        This!

      • Scharfinator

        Apparently =

  • Bender McLugh

    Jeff – very nicely predicted. If you could only have soothed our fan fears a bit more, maybe sang us a Da Bears lullaby or something, complete with a whiskey-dipped pacifier

  • Bender McLugh

    “Jeffery is a terrific receiver and the Bears should make him part of
    their future but he ain’t Julio Jones or AJ Green or Antonio Brown or
    Odell Beckham Jr. The Bears can’t pay him like he is.”

    It took 2 quarters for Jeffrey to shake off the “oh hey, it’s not Hoyer throwing me the ball” mojo. That’s my take on it, he’s a very good WR that should be paid to stay. Or take a $1.5 mil, 1 year deal to play in NE (Ballers reference).

  • CanadaBear

    Fun game to watch. Had to laugh at Howard running out of gas. I thought he was gone even though he’s not a speed merchant but those last 20 yds he hit the wall. Thought he looked great last night. Lot of help from the OL. Is the Bears D getting their mojo or is the BiQueens OL that bad? I’m going with a little bit of both. It will be interesting to see what the BiQueens do with AP after this year. They have nothing behind him and even looked like crap this year behind this OL. Really glad the Queens traded for Bradford. Put a little pressure on him and things go to hell in a hurry. Jay had a great game. It’s fun to see all those jocks on the pre game show get it wrong. Holy Crap is that pre game show with Suzy and the jocks incredibly bad.

    • MB30SD

      Suzy Clubber is the worst. So brutal. Their costumes were hilarious.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        Joe Namath disagrees.

      • CanadaBear

        Esp dickhead’s! I don’t dislike her (she could be anyone, just another talking head) but I really dislike Penis head, Hasselback adds nothing, Woodson might be OK but who can understand him and Moss is really the only one of that group that adds anything. Steve Young has had his bell rung too many times X 100.

        • MB30SD

          Agree… love moss’ accent for some reason. The rest are jackasses… but hasslebecks costume was awesome.

          Shady texts me back… but he has hair now. Smfh. Thanks shady.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Bradford’s not a bad QB. Put pressure on anyone as much as he faces and it all goes tits up. Vikings are dead last in rushing. Bradford’s not the problem.

      • CanadaBear

        It’s not like they had Bradford on the run all night. They put some pressure on him but it wasn’t like a jail break all night. Bradford sucks.

        • SC Dave

          I disagree. Bradford is “okay”.

          • CanadaBear

            I think we’re splitting hairs.

    • Johnnywad

      I think the D is doing more than getting its mojo. Getting Trevathan back and an apparently healthy McPhee going helps. Floyd was dinged up and is learning each week. I look forward to seeing Goldman back in the mix.

      “Next man up” is bullshit. Injuries are everything.

      • CanadaBear

        If McPhee really is healthy he will make a huge difference. The D gets all their energy from him.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Got to ease off the safeties Jeff. Nobody else sees what you see. They’re doing great. If HQJ was a turkey they’d be shooting for him all day. Amos and HQJ are the answer at safety. They’re second year players!

    They showed a stat during the game where Zach Miller with 102 receptions without a drop led the NFL. Dropped one the next pass play.

    Howard averaged 5.9 YPC against the #3 rush defense in the league. The youngest Bear ever to have 200+ scrimmage yards, and the first rookie since Sayers to do it in 65.

    Just watched the game for the second time. Cutty was money, just money.

    • CanadaBear

      Both safeties are just avg (I’m not sure HJQ is even avg). Neither one of them get or more importantly cause TO’s. They don’t make any splash plays. Are they better than the previous guys? They’d better be since the previous guys were Conte and Wright.

      • Bender McLugh

        agree they have to be better than their predecessors, but I think they are better than you describe them. HJQ keeps improving but he’s not the long term answer unless a big leap happens next year. Amos is the real deal.

        • CanadaBear

          Once Amos starts getting or causing TO’s I’ll get more excited about him. I think he’s good to great for a 5th rounder.

        • Irish Sweetness

          How does anyone know HQJ isn’t the longterm answer? Because he hasn’t got 10 INTs? He’s done nothing wrong for me. Amos ditto. These guys are sophomores and both doing great (for me).

          • MB30SD

            Siiiiigh.

            Because if it looks, quacks, and shits like a 6… guess what it is.

          • Johnnywad

            A duck.

          • MB30SD

            yes. a 6 duck

        • MB30SD

          Agree. Amos is a 7 but looks like he can be an 8.5, hqj is a 5 that might be a 6.5 and a good option at back up

          I want a 9+ at FS to general the defensive backfield for the next 10 years… but you’ve never heard that from me before

    • willbest

      Everybody sees what Jeff sees. They hit hard, their coverage HQJ in particularly is suspect, and they got no hands for the ball.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        I want Amos paired with a ballhawk FS. That would be a tremendous combo.

        Amos lays the wood and is ok in coverage. Get a rangy guy who can make plays and that’s a fierce back end.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Porter should be brought in as that kind of DB – sitting back with no straight speed coverage required of him. He either got injured or was pulled from the game – likely after allowing a receiver to beat him by five yards.

          • willbest

            Porter looks for the ball which is a refreshing change of pace from the rooks

          • MB30SD

            Jesus Irish, cone on fude. PSH don’t count dude. A REAL fs yo. Like thomas or reid. You honestly put hqj in that list. Smh

          • Joecashflow

            HJQ,HJQ,HJQ.

          • MB30SD

            Dooooooooon’t caaaaaaaaare

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            HJQ blew that play as much as-maybe more than-Porter. Looked like Porter was playing trail expecting S help over the top, only the S wasn’t there (Porter still messed up by trailing too far though).

            That’s a TD that perhaps changes the entire game if the Vikes had a better QB.

          • Bender McLugh

            looking at it again, Bradford threw it perfectly for the stride of the WR, but after it was released the WR changed his speed and couldn’t locate the ball. Very very lucky

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            Yeah, I was thinking, “No way Fangio is stupid enough singling Porter on Digs. No way”

            Porter has shawdowed #1 WRs all season though, and has done OK according to some metric I came across.

            But asking him to defend DIggs one-on-on (gimpy no less) would’ve been idiotic.

            I’m guessing S had to be over the top.

        • MB30SD

          Exactly, I’ve only been asking for this for what… 29 fucking years!!

          • Bender McLugh

            yes, yes you have, and not the only one either

    • Scharfinator

      Did they count that as a drop? Was behind him and away.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Actually, I don’t know, they were talking about it. He did touch it.

        • Scharfinator

          Yeah, I’m not sure either… the scoring of “drops” has always seemed convoluted to me.

          • Jokey

            http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2016/ says he has 40 catches and no drops, so it’s counting last night’s game.

          • Jokey

            Just read that it’s not an official stat, so third parties are making their own judgement call on what’s catchable.

  • willbest

    Well first we know Cutler sucked because he didn’t throw for 300 yards. I kid. However, this like our other win this was brought to by the letter D and the object fence. They played lights out in two games this year and we wont both.

    And no I don’t think the game plan this week was all that different from the previous couple weeks. Obviously its tailored a bit more to the Vikings but it wasn’t the inept shit we saw called in weeks 1-3.

    • Bender McLugh

      gotta give credit to the OLine man, they played outstanding for not being the #1 unit.

      Doobie Bros unite!

  • Shady

    NFL- Jordan Howard and Gale Sayers
    From Elias:

    Jordan Howard: first Bears rookie with 200 yards from scrimmage in a game since Gale Sayers in 1965 (202 vs SF)

    • CanadaBear

      He had 103 yds on two plays. Gotta love that!

    • Joecashflow

      And Sayers was at the game today, with his team mate, a guy named Butkus.

    • CanadaBear

      Kudos for spelling Gale correctly. Most people want to put a y in there like Shaun Gayle.

  • CanadaBear
    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      Biggsy stop wearing check pattern!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      It looks like a grid map of Chicago!!!!!!!!!!!

      • MB30SD

        Dude should just switch to mumus now and get it over with

    • Doc Nitty

      Life is still peaches, Canada. I’m still riding high on the love train.

      I’d love to come up to Vancouver Island with her. The trouble is (shhh, don’t tell anyone) but she has three kids of her own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgb9B3-N8Cc so the trip north may be a bit more than I can bite off at the moment (next 17 years).

      Life is good though. Very good.

      • CanadaBear

        That’s awesome Doc! That’s a lot of kids between the two of you! Really happy for ya! After being put through the failing marriage wringer, you really deserve it. If I get over to the mainland South of the border, I will give you a heads up. No plans until I get the other knee fixed this Spring. Keep on, keeping on Brother-Man.

      • Sactowns#1

        Over population and global warming be damned! haha Congrats on being under the influence of dopamine and pheromones…. err I mean being in love.

  • BillW

    Wow – didn’t see this coming this early in the year. Figured we’d show marked improvement before the year was over. We took a Vikings team that despite their record was actually mediocre at best and beat them convincingly. As Jeff said, this is why you don’t “tank”. A team has to build confidence eventually and this started it.

    Side note – The pretzel twists the media makes about Cutler is really entertaining. So unnecessary. Why not simply say the obvious – he’s a very good quarterback in a league with too few of them. Has some flaws that stops him from being great – like nearly every other QB in the league.

    • willbest

      Because journalism (no matter the specialty) stopped being about reporting facts long ago. If they accurately portrayed Cutler as the 14th-20th best QB in the league they couldn’t drive the narrative that he should benched for Hoyer or that he has already contacted his real estate agent to list his house because he won’t be back next year. Both of which generate more eyeballs week in and week out than the truth.

  • BearDown100393

    Last night’s game was no surprise.

    10-6 (regular season)

    • MB30SD

      HOF!!!!

  • BillW

    Don’t care for Bleacher Report generally, but every now and then…

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2673101-cam-newtons-roughing-the-passer-complaints-open-pandoras-box-of-questions?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

    The summary – the league apparently has a data base or spreadsheet of blown calls. It appears that Jay has more non-called roughing instances. They make the point that the QBs on the list are generally journeymen and/or not very “popular” let’s say.

    It seems reasonable there are such lists for PI and other infractions. With a similar bias?

    I would think/hope a good journalist would start asking the league some tough questions.

    • willbest

      I don’t know if I buy Cam has only had 3 missed roughing calls, but I know Jay has had more than 3 since 2013.

      I don’t know what tough questions should come of this though. Unless the tough question is why did you wait until 2013 to start tracking performance. Then again the answer to that is almost certainly that it was the direct result of the 2012 NFL referee strike.

      But analyzing the non-calls and the over-calls is important to improving the product. Maybe positioning the referee/judges in different spots will give better vision. Maybe a particular official is supposed to be looking for X and Y, but can only do X and needs another to do Y in certain instances, etc. And then there is just break downs for training purposes, performance reviews, grading officials for bonuses and selecting playoff crews.

      Now I can get how the media/fans would want this information (and they could take it upon themselves to recreate it if they wanted to commit the resources), but its not in the NFL’s best interest to release it.

      • BillW

        I think what makes the QB roughing calls so frustrating is there is an official whose one and only job is to watch what happens to the QB. It’s not a matter of missing the call – it’s a matter of deciding it’s not worth a flag.

      • BearDown100393

        Newton would quit if subjected to typical Cutler treatment.

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      In a game where penalties often decide the game outright and certainly dictate momentum, the league would just assume cut it’s balls with a straight razor (ouch) before sharing the database on which refs demonstrate personal bias, and which players are the victims of personal bias.

      Chucky was so happy last night that few penalties were called, he said it was a case of “let ’em play” that came down from the league, because it was hurting the game. He outright said that.

      I don’t know how it’s possible to watch football sometime knowing the league can bend the games to it’s will like that. Objective officiating is the boogeyman that the league wants fans to know no part of, even more than concussions.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Maybe 24 flags against the Raiders Sunday had a bit of a chilling effect on the zebras OR that it was not mere coincidence that last night’s crew was down a man.

        • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

          the line judge fainted. His knees buckled and he went down. That was weird.

  • Irish Sweetness

    “Shuffle pass” is now right up there with “Without further adieu” …..

  • Joecashflow

    Anybody else think it was unusual, immediately after a 69 yd run, Loggains calls another run play to Howard, haha!

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      Should have taken him out for a few plays to get a breather.

      • SC Dave

        What? He rested once he got about 55 yards downfield on the first one.

      • Sactowns#1

        My buddy and I were both yelling at the Tv last night, wondering why woodwork would call Howards # after he was clearly gassed. Not only did he call it, he called it two more times in a row. Smh.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)
    • willbest

      Cutler is not getting released. Traded probably.

      • Joecashflow

        I think the Payton Place (pun intended) continues on Jay. I suspect this board is split up 50/50 on whether they believe he will be back. As I said earlier, I think the next 8 games will dictate. That should not change whatsoever the need to draft a QB.

    • SC Dave

      Some douche canoe writing about not making the playoffs…I’m thinking 10-6 gets us in.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Full disclosure. I’ve given Pat O’Donnell the benefit of the doubt because he’s been a guest on my pod twice but he’s just not any good. He never bombs one when the Bears punt deep in their own territory and NEVER pins the opponent to their goal line. With the Bears building a bully defense, they must address this position. Ben LeCompte is not on an NFL roster. Bears have two weeks til they play a game. Bring him in.

    Jeff, you don’t have to tell us you play quid pro quo and jock any player who helps the blog out, despite their on field performance.

    We know.

    NTTAWWT.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      Is it any different for the white house press corps.?

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        the press are whores and liars, you know that Trac

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          I wasn’t thinking exactly on those terms but yes, I get your point.

      • AlbertInTucson

        They all have an agenda.

        Lot of in-breeding, too with husbands/wives/significant others with jobs in the administration.

  • WP34

    Ian Rapoport ✔ @RapSheet
    Context to #Panthers QB Cam Newton’s comments about pocket protection: He’s gotten 9 roughing calls since ’13, more than Brady, Ben, Rodgers.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/cam-newton-roughing-the-passer-nfl-flags-2016-10

    • willbest

      But supposedly none since since the start of 2015?

  • Doc Nitty

    Well that was fun. I’ve watched a grand total of 5 games this season, 3 of them bears games. Just have more interesting stuff going on. So last night when my x took the kids trick or treating and I had the t.v. all to myself with the beloved on, well that was enough right there. But then the bears played a full four quarters and dominated the overhyped Queens. Our back of the future emerged. It was a good night.

    I couldn’t help but think though, over the span of the entire game, but really on two consecutive plays, what an LDL team would have done. The first play was when we stripped Bradford and our guy ran right by the loose football and didn’t scoop and score. There’s a BALL ON THE GROUND!!! GET ON IT!!! And then the very next play, a pass was deflected and left up for grabs. I couldn’t help but think what Mike Brown would have done in that situation. Or Peanut. Or Lach. Don’t get me wrong, I’m pumped for the win, but there needs to be a bigger premium on the takeaway.

    Great Win though. Loved it!

    Oh, and then I had chocolate and got laid!

    It was a good night.

    • Bender McLugh

      fuck yeah chocolate

    • Jokey

      Glad you could watch a good one. But Lovie’s D stood around and watched the Packers pick up a ball and run it in for a TD in the 2010 NFCC.

      • SC Dave

        The WORST play in a lifetime of shit plays as a Bears fan.

        The only one close was when
        Sayers lost his knee, though I only remember it through replays. Though that was for a different reason entirely.

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Schwarber moved to 2nd in the lineup at DH for tonight.

    • willbest

      Wonder if Heyward is going to get the nod after two games of not sucking at the plate.

      • CanadaBear

        He sucked the other night until the last at bat. He was 0-3 with 3 K’s. I really hope they can simplify that swing in the off season.

        • willbest

          Well he got himself into scoring position with 1 out. It was just unfortunate that Baez and Chapman were the next two batters. Fortunately they didn’t need the buffer

          • AlbertInTucson

            Baez needs to stop deciding to flail at anything when he gets two strikes on him.

            Smoltz has him analyzed to a T.

            Get ahead and then don’t throw him another strike.

          • CanadaBear

            He showed sigs of maturity all year but still had lapses like this.

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            Javier loves him some high heat. He LOVES high heat.

            Never mind that he can’t hit it. He will swing at it every time when he’s down on the count or it’s a full count.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            When Javier fixes his thermometer, he turns it high. 90 or below is for pussies!

          • SC Dave

            Smoltz was pretty good.

      • Joecashflow

        Yes he did and what a catch!

    • AlbertInTucson

      I see the Idea of alternating lefty/righty in the lineup but I would put Rizzo at #2 and Schwarber at cleanup.

      Schwarber at # 2 clogs up the basepaths.

      Fowler, Rizzo and Bryant can all run run the bases.

      Schwarber is strictly a station to station guy.

      • CanadaBear

        Before he wrecked his knee he was OK on the bases. Not fast but knew what he was doing. Avg at worst.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Right now, he has all the mobility of a vending maching.

          • CanadaBear

            That can mash.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      It matters not. There will be a game 7. Who will win? I’m thinking it’s the Cubs.

      • SC Dave

        Gotta win first.

    • SC Dave

      I predict Cubs are done tonight

      • willbest

        Nah Schwaber is going to have 2 home runs, and 4 RBIs. book it.

  • willbest

    Interesting, early indications is the NBA is seeing a ratings climb. I hope that sticks, I we can be rid of Goodell

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      Percy Harvin is coming out of retirement to inject excitement back into the NFL.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Whew!

        • SC Dave

          Hahaha

    • AlbertInTucson

      Not happening any time soon. They still make $Billions and he takes all the heat as front man. The owners love him.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Well, I said b4 the game that it wouldn’t surprise me if Cutler threw for 300yds, 2 TDs and no TOs, and it would’nt surprise me if he threw for 250 0Tds, 7 sacks and 2 INTs.

    Luckily, he did the former, and had a near perfect game.

    But the problem with Cutler has never been having great games. There’s a reason he was drafted so high, and why coach after coach keeps trying to “salvage” him, and last night is why.

    But the problem with him is consistency.

    Can he string a season like that together?

    That’s the $73M question.

    Last year he kinda did, but all his other previous years, he didn’t.

    He came out the first two games looking like he regressed, but this game he looked good.

    So I guess we’re going to find out.

    Either way, we should draft a QB anyways, even if Cutler, Hoyer and Shaw are on the roster next year.

    • beninnorcal

      I don’t really think he regressed. I think he git hurt about halfway thru Houston. And we where watching injured Jay play.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

        But it wasn’t just his thumb. He was taking unnecessary sacks, not seeing defenders, turning it over.

        He looked bad from the go.

        But this Cutler looks different.

        ESPN remarked how Cutler seemed more “animated” more involved, showed more emotion.

        In the post, Alsho revealed Cutler gave an inspirational speech, to which Woodson in shocked disbelief responded, ‘Cutler? Cutler? I just want to make sure we’re talking about the same guy’

        When pressed, Alshon said he didn’t remember what Cutler said, which is funny, but maybe being benched for Hoyer and seeing his life as a future backup was enough to finally change him.

        Maybe.

        Still only 1 game in which the offensive line and Howard dominated start to finish.

        But I’ll take it. All I care about is results.

        • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

          Cutler’s speech was talked about in the Trib. He said that everyone in the locker room is from a different ethnicity, but all of them had motivation to win in life. And that needing to draw on that was what will get them through the 4 quarters when they were gassed and needed to draw on themselves.

        • willbest

          So your theory is he sprained his thumb, got benched, did some soul searching, came back as a changed man and played like a champ.

          My theory is.

          1) Fox teams are notorious for their slow starts
          2) The O-line was thrown together late in the preseason, and hadn’t had a chance to gel
          3) We played two of the better D-lines in the NFL the first 2 weeks
          4) The first time offensive coordinator was finding his way and forced to waste time getting White involved
          5) Cutler sprained his thumb somewhere in the second half of the Houston game causing an unexpected wrinkle in the OC’s play calling

          Under my theory Cutler is still Cutler, and that is what I saw. A guy who can make the throws, and who also made a couple poor decisions but had more positives than negatives. Which is what I have seen from him for 8 years.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            No doubt, there were some growing pains, from OC, to Oline, even WRs.

            They are factors.

            As for why he looked different in this game, it could be as simple as Oline just dominated, and Cutler wasn’t asked to do as much.

            That helps any QB.

            Could be that he did get a wake up call.

            Could be that it was only one game and he’ll revert back to throwing INTs and getting stripped sack when he is asked to do more.

            Too early to call.

            He did make two throws that should’ve been INTs, and if Alshon doesn’t do his best Norman impression, one might’ve been returned for 6.

            Hopefully that was just rust and not a sneak peak of things to come.

          • SC Dave

            (4) is what I’ve been on for about four weeks, combined with the line fiinding itself (especially Cody, who may well become our next Hilgenberg, except being drafyed, that is )

            And smh at the birdcage horseshit.

        • SC Dave

          It was shocking how the oline kicked ass. Maybe because I posted Friday about our second stringers pancaking their asses all game?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Watching the end of the latest replay on the 4 letter just to watch that game-clinching drive.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    My favorite Cutler moment? Passing on the opportunity to launch the ball
    downfield to Deonte Thompson in favor of the safe checkdown to Zach
    Miller. Maturity? Comfort in the system? – Jeff

    Yeah, but let’s be honest, if Hoyer did that, fans wouldn’t be lauding him for being smart, but snarking he’s a pussy who doesn’t take deep shots.

    I said it last night, but my fav pass from Cutty was a throw away in the endzone on 2nd down.

    Old Cutty forces it, and we all cross our fingers. Last night he calmly sailed it overhead. The next play we got a TD.

    2nd best throw was when he stepped up in the pocket and threw a cross to Miller.

    Those two plays showed me what I have always wanted from Cutler.

    Good decision making and pocket presence.

    The rest is gravy.

    • beninnorcal

      I sctually wish he’d have seen and thrown it to Thompson. He was wide open and would have been gone.

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        He was WIDE open. That was 6 if Thompson could turn the angle after the catch and didn’t have to wait on the ball.

        But if Cutler floated that ball or Thompson dropped it, people would have been screaming that Miller was sitting there for the 1st down.

    • SC Dave

      Comment re Hoyer is dead on the money.

      And I totally agree on you choices of two great Jay plays. Oher was the shovel to Howard.

      Fortunately, Alshon saved us from the consequences of the once-per-game-no-matter-what bonehead throw. Pick 6 there and we may well have lost.

      • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

        because we’d think that Cutler looked downfield then made the decision to go under because he didn’t think he could make the throw with the defender bearing down on him. if he had the extra second, he’d launch it.

        we’d think that Hoyer never even looked downfield, even if he had another 4 seconds of uninterrupted time in the pocket.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    I wonder what the Jets want for Richardson?

    If they want a 2nd, I’m a bit hesitant.

    I wouldn’t mind drafting the top pass rusher with the first, then drafting the best QB left in the top of the 2nd ( a la Carr).

    Tough decision.

  • EnderWiggin

    Keep an eye open for this on the next ‘Bad Lip Reading’…
    https://twitter.com/_MarcusD2_/status/793282559451037700

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Bear dominate…”

    When was the last time THAT was applicable?

    • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

      Zimmer called his OL pussies (he called them soft), and they responded by folding.

      The Vikes have a terrible OL. Maybe the worst in the NFL. It was Trestman era bad, Chris Williams and Webb Nation bad. Chico quitting football bad.

      The Vikes have no shot of keeping their prize QB healthy unless they fix it. Chucky thought they would move on a OL before the trade deadline, which is today.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

        Vikes should go after Joe Staley at the very least, but they won’t cuz they gave up a lot already for Bradford.

        They’re fucked. Proper Fucked.

        • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

          no line, no back. No O.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            They really missed McKinnon last night.

            Dude is explosive, and gives them a certain mentality.

            I think this might be the last we see of Asiata, or at least should be.

            Glad McKinnon was on my bench with an “O” next to his name.

          • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

            Asiata. Ha.

            The Brad Muster of today.

          • AlbertInTucson

            McCaffrey just passed Muster in the Stanford record books.

          • SC Dave

            Muster from Stanford. So tjey thought a Cardinal would work as a Bear?

          • AlbertInTucson
          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            I couldn’t believe they actually have Asiata on the roster, much less start him.

            I would literally start almost any other HB over him. He’s such a JAG.

            The Pack had the right idea. Bring in Kniles Davis. He might not work, but he’s more explosive. Promote that rook from practice squad. Try out Montgomery.

            I can understand that rational.

            But Vikes go, “Nah, we’re good. Asiata” . And ppl were actually throwing in Zimmer’s name for COY, the dude who was milking the clock for us last night. Ridicules!

          • EnderWiggin

            The Pack cut Davis last night, I think.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            Yeah, I saw that. I think Kniles is a bad fit in that O.

            He’s more of a power runner, and they’re very pass happy. But like I said, I can understand their moves.

            Don’t get the Vikes just settling for Asiata. HB is so easy to try out new guys. Literally dozens of hungry angry RBs just outta college waiting for a call.

            Ring em up, I say.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Asiata won me my FF game with his whopping 7 points.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            Waffle started him too, but wasn’t gonna happen.

            There’s this famous line in Ali where Don Kings tells a boxer, “You’re so boring, I would rather watch Ali watch a fight, then watch you fight.”

            I feel the same about Asiata

            I would rather watch Zeke watch a football game then watch Asiata run.

          • SC Dave

            There is a blast from the past. Mike Alstott he ain’t.

        • AlbertInTucson

          SF wanted to move him but nothing happened.

      • willbest

        You meant to say Martz/Tice. Trestman had Bushrod-Slauson-Garza-Long-Mills in 2013, and again in 2014. Which was a pretty solid unit. Although in 2014 they all got hurt.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Trade deadline was 4p EDT.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      This has to be the most dominate I’ve seen the Bears in….I can’t even remember.

      That GB game last year was sweeter cuz fuck the pack, but I can’t remember a game where Bears dominated from whistle to whistle like that.

      Howard ripped off a 69 yd run in 2nd play!

      Then he milked it in last 4 mins.

      On all facets, best game in forever.

      • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

        you got a taste of Pernell, baby. Pernell makes Clubber Lang cower.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Allowing the TD on 4th and 6 was disappointing but answering by basically running 5 minutes, plus, off the clock was outstanding.

        • willbest

          I am pretty sure we are something like 1 for 16 on stopping 4th down. I have no earthly idea why anybody punts against us.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            That might change now.

            I think part of that equation is that most teams were deep in our territory when going for it on 4rth, and they figured, even if they fail, they don’t fear our O.

            But with a healthier D and robust run game, teams might think twice now.

      • MB30SD

        that one time we kicked the holy fuck out of the lions… I thiiiink it was the game lezbo pulled down Corm’s cousin by the back of the helmet?

        That was pretty fucking satisfying. I’m still waiting for the game like this against the filthy horde

  • willbest

    Pre Elimination games in 2016 WS are running about 18 million which is up from 14 million from the last couple years, but still below where things were during the late 90’s and early 2000’s. The Cubs did pull 23.6 million eyeballs in game 5, but that actually is par for the course as elimination games in the World Series increase viewership by 10-20% over non-elimination games.

    If I were Trac then I would say baseball couldn’t script it much better than to have 3 of the 7 games be elimination games.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    RIP, Sweetness. 17 years ago today he passed into the hallowed fields of heaven, where refs never make bad calls, beers are still 50cents, and the Puke always lose.

    And for you heathens who don’t believe in the afterlife, I submit this into evidence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVjrcUDWbvs

    • EnderWiggin

      Awesome. Here is Walter stiff-arming packer fans at the Pearly Gates…
      https://www.etsy.com/listing/118342536/chicago-bears-poster-walter-payton-vs

      • Malice Halice

        Savage!

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

        haha that’s awesome.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      great play but does not definitively prove afterlife, not saying it could not be. there are many other reasons the block could have happened.
      1. a comet passed close to the Earth causing an slight change in the gravitational field allowing Robinson to leap and hang in the air long enough to make the block.
      2. an alien spacecraft used a tractor beam to lift Robinson up long enough to make the block.
      3. the Blimp covering the game sprung a leak causing a down draft that lowered the trajectory of the kick enough for Robinson to block it.
      4. Chris Bonoil discovered he had telekinetic abilities after missing a kick that day and used the new found abilities to get the kick blocked
      5. the Packers just suck.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      RIP Sweetness. There will never be another like you. EVER. Thanks for the reminder about his passing. I didn’t know the date by heart but I do remember hearing the news and the tears in my eyes that followed.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq15VkLfPgc

      • AlbertInTucson

        People who think Jerry Rice was a better football player than Walter are just flat out wrong.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

          Rice cheated. End of that debate.

  • WP34

    WP on 11-1–1999
    Halas on 10-31–1983

  • Goin to Hell with Pernell (GP)

    Oh damn. This is the finest Challenger I think I’ve ever seen.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/01/1971-dodge-challenger-shakedown-concept-sema/#slide-4253630

    • MB30SD

      very nice

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      Now THAT is a badass car that could star in a Tarintino flick

  • willbest

    For you car people. You won’t be breaking the law if you fix your own car.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2016/10/31/copyright-dmca-allows-owners-fix-cars/

  • willbest

    We brought in a center for tryouts today (along with a bunch of DBs). Could indicate that out backup guards might become starters and we need depth.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      The way we pushed Vikes around, wouldn’t be surprised if Kush and Larsen stick.

      Other detail I thought of. The fact that both backups were in might’ve worked to our advantage.

      They’re likely accustomed to each other since they’re both second team, and Whitehair prolly got reps with them early on.

      Dunno how serious Sitton’s inj is, but I say don’t fix what ain’t broke.

      • EnderWiggin

        What about inserting Long at RT again?

        • MB30SD

          shutyomouth!

        • AlbertInTucson

          No.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

          His shoulder AND arm are fucked!

          Maybe next year, esp if Massie keeps sucking.

      • willbest

        The guy you are paying $7 million to is going to start. Rule #1 of coaching is don’t make your GM look bad. Rule #2 is win games.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

          If the guy behind is playing better, play him.

          Inj is perfect excuse.

          It’s not as if we’re paying Sitton more by sitting. We’re spending the same amount of $ either way, so go with what works.

          Oline inj are inevitable. Either Kush/Larsen will get dinged, then we can re-insert Sitton.

          At worse we find out if we have Oline depth with Kush/Larsen.

          Bears gotta get away from this “draft stock/$” mentality.

          Gotta be more like the Pats or Seahawks.

          Performance based.

          • MB30SD

            100% in

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            Pats just traded Collins, a badass LB, cuz they drafted some no name and rather ride with him (500K/yr) over Collins for $12M/yr.

            #performanceBased.

          • MB30SD

            yep, totally on board with that strategy, cause it kinda works if you do it right. Now, can anyone else do it right… do no?

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          more than $$ saying Sitton will start is the fact that Sitton has been and continues to be one of the best OG in the NFL. WTF would you want to bench that?

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            If Kush outperforms Sitton, you’d sit him anyways just cuz of rep?

            I’m of the philosophy of starting the best guys regardless of rep, $ or politics.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            But that’s just it… it’s basically impossible to outperform Sitton. Most metrics I’ve seen have him as one of the top 5 OG in the NFL this year. Again.

  • willbest
    • SC Dave

      No video?

  • MB30SD

    Data, I didn’t forget about you.

    My thoughts are:

    1. Now that fox/pace and cutty have had a very public falling about and agreement they hate each other… how does that effect everything going forward?

    2. Are you going to feel the same way when cutler inevitably has one or more of his 2 INT (1 a pick6) and a couple strip sack games… will you feel the same way?

    3. What about rolling with Hoyer/Shaw/1st round pick?

    Doesn’t seem like a cutty/management lovefest is tenable at this point, so what now?

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      #2 is what most who’ve been around for the whole Cutty experience are expecting.

      I’m happy we won, but we’ve all been on this Cutty high before, only to suffer that inevitable Cutty low, and usually against some suck-ass team no one ever suspects.

      Cutty is like meth. High is divine, but the crash is ugly, and apparently, just as addicting to some.

      #ThisTimeItWillBeDifferent

      • MB30SD

        yes, we’re on the same page. but what’s the solution MAN!?!?!!

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

          The solution is easy.

          Draft a QB who has the chance not to be “meh”.
          Use Hoyer in the meanwhile (or Cutty if he’s willing to be the “bridge”)
          Shaw could be our developmental dude.

          The execution is another matter. Finding a good QB is a risky proposition.

          In the off-chance that Cutler doesn’t become schizo, then re-evaluate.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I don’t get the ‘if he’s willing to be the “bridge”. He is under contract till 2020 and making good money.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            Some QBs get offended if their team drafts a QB in the 1st, and would rather be elsewhere since they see the writing on the wall

            (see, Bradford, Favre…)

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I am going to say what i said about those guys. Do your job, beat them out, and don’t be a whiny little bitch.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

            A lot of QBs are whiny bitches though.

            That’s why Bradford is on the Vikes now after crying about Wentz.

          • Joecashflow

            That’s why Cutler is a Bear.

    • willbest

      1) The actual conversations where it was reported that Fox was done with Cutler went like this:

      Buddy: “Hey Fox, when is Cutler coming back?”
      Fox: “Fuck Cutler. I am so done. All I want to do is spend the next 2 years fishing, cashing checks.”

      2) There is 8 years of Cutler Bears to let you know how its going to go. That is why he is the 14-20th best QB and not a top 10. Its also why its hard to move on from him. Most the QB’s better than him won’t ever be available, and every known quantity the Bears could get (with the exception of brittle Romo) is worse or the same but will cost draft picks.

      Its like hitting in blackjack when you got 17 and the dealer has a facecard.

      3) Hells no.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      My biggest beef with Cutler isn’t the bad games that happen a couple times a year, it’s the fact that he misses a couple games a year.

      If he was healthy all year, Bears go to the playoffs in 2010, 11, and 12, and the narrative around him is different.

      He’s no different (besides health, he gets hurt more) than Eli, Flacco, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, Stafford. All those guys-and Cutler-have QBed good teams that were contenders and bad teams that stunk. The difference wasn’t them, it was the team around them.

      Surround Cutler with a quality roster (which the Bears seem pretty close to building, one more offseason IMO) and you have a contender where everybody praises the QB for being more valuable than his stats show because he’s just a winner (MVP talk in 2011 for Cutler). Surround him with a bad roster (which they’ve had the last 3 years), and you have a shitty team that everybody blames on the QB (see 2014 especially).

      The way I see it, they have 2 options going forward:

      1) Keep Cutler, spend 2nd/3rd round pick on QB you hope is your guy in the future. Worst case: Cutler is your guy the next 2-3 years (when your team should be a contender,) the youngster busts, and you try again for a youngster in 2-3 years when Cutler is done. Best case: what the Cowboys have know with Dak over Romo.

      2) Trade Cutler, spend 1st round pick on QB, keep Hoyer as bridge. Worst case: young QB sucks, and you spend the next 3 years watching a good roster suck because the QB sucks. Best case: The QB hits, and you have what SF had with Kap on rookie deal, SEA with Wilson, etc. Loaded roster with cheap young QB.

      Here’s the thing: more QBs bust than hit. Doesn’t matter if you draft in top 5 or round 2/3/4, more QBs will bust than hit. Thus option #1 looks way more appetizing to me as a fan.

      And if I’m Pace, it looks way more appetizing to me too. If he goes all-in on a drafted QB and whiffs, he’s done. And GMs, unlike coaches, don’t get another shot to run this. If he does option 1, he gets 2 chances at a young QB, which buys him several years (potentially of good will if they make the playoffs) and I’m guessing better odds of hitting if you take 2 swings in, say, round 2 vs. 1 swing in mid-round 1 (because they don’t suck enough to have a top 3 pick).

      If Pace loves a QB high in the draft this year and is confident enough to bet his career on it, then he should by all means go for it. It’s the highest ceiling option. But if he doesn’t and/or can’t get to him (like he couldn’t get to Mariota in 2015), then keeping Cutler and drafting a QB in round 2/3 has a hell of a lot higher chance of success.

      He has the luxury of not being forced into overdrafting a QB, and I sure as hell hope he’s smart enough to realize that and take advantage (the last 2 years says he is).

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        wow this is long. Think I miss writing football articles?

        • MB30SD

          I get what you’re layin’ down my maings.

          You left something BIG out of the equation… want to fill it in yourself or should I chastise you now?

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            let me know and I’ll try to answer when I can. Which will probably be tomorrow.

          • MB30SD

            Your avatar-sake… I’ll leave it at that and let you add/put it into the equation on any side as you see fit.

            And I’ll throw this in there, “Anytime you get your starting quarterback back, it’s a little bit of a bolt,” said coach John Fox. “The guys hung in there. Brian Hoyer did a good job of keeping us in some games, but we came up a little short. To get Jay back I think inspired all of us.”

            Little public nob slobbing after all the rumors. I found that interesting, but not surprising.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Fox? I’d be fine with keeping him, if Cutler sticks around as your guy. He has a history of having strong coordinators, which is his biggest strength.

            If you go the young QB/Hoyer route, Fox must go, or we’ll get a situation like what STL has now with Fisher, where the veteran coach wants the shitty veteran QB playing over the youngster who may or may not be the future.

            Like we’ve seen this year with Unrein and Prosinski over Bullard and Bush, only much more important for the franchise.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Old habits die hard.

      • AlbertInTucson

        If only first round QBs came with a guarantee.

        As we know all too well, they do not.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

          Can’t build a franchise scared.

          For 8 years we’ve been timid in looking for QB, always repeating the mantra, “No better options then Cutty”

          In that time, we could have theoretically drafted guys like Wilson, Carr, Dak, Garrapolo, Cousins, etc maybe even Wentz or Mariotta.

          I get that it’s hard, and Bears seem to suck at drafting #1, but eventually, the Bears must stop being pussies.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

        If Pace doesn’t put a team that makes the playoffs in 2-3 years, he’s not going to be around unless Floyd/White become PBers and the HC falls on the sword.

        Most GMs don’t get 5-6 years of mediocre non-playoff teams, no matter the QB situation.

        Look at the Rams. Just went all-in on Goff, and there’s rumblings about regime change already, even though Goff hasn’t played a single down.

      • Joecashflow

        Like your scenarios. Would just add, no reason to be in a hurry to trade Cutty until after the draft and see what you got, ala Philadelphia, who dumped Bradford.

  • willbest

    Bryant picked a good time to get hot

  • BearDown100393

    The Browns must be proud.

  • willbest

    I can move 90 feet faster than Kyle

    • AlbertInTucson

      Now you see why I bat him 4th.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Grand slam. Moot point.

  • willbest

    Burn that bullpen

    • AlbertInTucson

      THAT will help.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Please pass the salami!

    • AlbertInTucson

      UH, no, I meant the GRAND salami, thank you.

  • willbest

    Russel mvp

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Only eats at Denny’s. Only orders Grand Slams.

  • BearDown100393

    Jay inspired the Cubs.

    • willbest

      Is there anything he can’t do? Except vaccinate children

      • AlbertInTucson

        Momma Cutty said “No”.

        • BearDown100393

          She’s a genius.

          • AlbertInTucson

            And looks nice in a bikini.

    • AlbertInTucson

      7-0 is nice, but it’s still early.

      Jake needs to have a shut down inning here.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Like THAT one.

  • AlbertInTucson

    No thanks, just looking.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Tell Baez it is NOT fishing season.

    He is just getting HIMSELF out of late.

    Lay down another bunt for pete’s sake!

    • BearDown100393

      Too bad you cannot DH any positional player instead of the pitcher.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I dont know that you can’t.

        • Joecashflow

          You certainly can. Some pitchers are wicked hitters.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Wicked breaking ball. Wicked Beard.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I cant do the “Flat Bill” on a ball cap but I think it works for Arrietta.

    • willbest

      You need the lumberjack beard

      • AlbertInTucson

        “Ohhh, I’M a lumberjack and I’m OK…”

        I kept a beard for almost 20 years.

        Close cropped, though.

        When the gray took over, it had to go.

  • willbest

    Jake is trying to make things interesting

    • BearDown100393

      Like Barth at the 45.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Well, mission accomplished.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Arrietta looks rattled.

    Need another pitcher in there.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      Or, maybe not lol

      If he comes out next inning shaky again though…

  • AlbertInTucson

    Contreras whiffed that.

  • willbest

    Ooof

  • willbest

    Whew

  • AlbertInTucson

    Whiff!

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Jes. Mojo!

    Someone get a hit.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Nice play but stupid to throw it.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Get him over, at least, Rizzo.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Damn nice catch.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    haha did the sound guy almost pull a Bartman?

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    If I’m the Indians, i think about walking Russell

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    what? That did not look like a strike.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Chris Chelios.

    Another Hall of Famer the old Blackhawks’ management chased out of town.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Whoops.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DEEfense.

  • willbest

    Trying to figure out why I like the AT&T girl so much

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      Girl next door? Smile? AT&T fetish?

      • SC Dave

        It’s the phone sex.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Cute, for sure.

    • Jokey

      Hella curvy

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    You know it’s bad when DUI is like the 4rth worst charge when getting pulled over.

    Updating a previous item, Eagles WR/KR Josh Huff was also charged with DUI on Tuesday in New Jersey.

    This was left out of the original report. On top of DUI, Huff was also busted for speeding, possession of marijuana, unlawful possession of a weapon, carrying six hollow-point bullets, and tinted windows. The Eagles are “aware” of the incident and “gathering more information.” Huff’s job is in danger. – Roto

    • willbest

      If he doesn’t have priors, I consider it the worst

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

        Unless he’s James Bond, no reason to carry hollow-point bullets.

        • willbest

          hollow points are less likely to go through your intended target. They aren’t super scary.

          • Malice Halice

            Hollows is just part of da hood culture. Idky but mfs love dem some hollows, rappers mention em alot cuz it rhymes. Instead of semi-wadcutter

          • Johnnywad

            The hell they’re not. Think about why they’re less likely to go through. I’d rather have a clean through and through than a hollow point opening up and getting bigger until it stops inside me.

          • willbest

            Yes, they enhance stopping power against the intended target. Which is the whole purpose of a gun.

          • Johnnywad

            Making them super scary.

          • willbest

            Only if you are being shot at.

          • Johnnywad

            Fact

    • AlbertInTucson

      SMH.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    I feel like the urgency is out of the Cubs, like they’re just squatting on that lead.

    Complacency in championships can be lethal.

    • willbest

      Baez sure is

  • AlbertInTucson

    Do they send Arrietta out for the 6th…?

    • willbest

      I would.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Yes but, very short leash.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      At first. If he looks shaky, get the bullpen warmed up.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Lindor makes another senseless throw.

    He must think they all move like Schwarber.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Cubbies read our mind.

    Montgomery warming up.

    I do agree with Buck though. Ride Arrietta for as long as possible.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    lol. Looked over, coach just nodded, not even looking up

  • willbest

    Why are all the billionaires trying to get off the planet?

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      Elysium

  • willbest

    i wouldnt bring in chapman unless they were only up 3 or less.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      Depends on the situation.

      If it’s 7-3 and 2 on base, gotta think about it.

      But yeah, I’d try to save him for sure.

  • willbest

    Gimpy Kyle is a liability

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    No wonder they’re not even thinking about tagging up.

    Fat ass on 2nd!

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Ugh. That was a nice hit by Russell. Was hoping he’d have a chance at the cycle!

  • willbest

    Robots are going to change baseball

  • willbest

    Asking a lot of chapman

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      Almost exact scenario I said below/above.

      If they have 2 on, they might go to Chapman.

      Managers get nervous.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    That’s an out

  • Malice Halice

    Wtf is happenin!

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Chapman’s knee better be good.

    • willbest

      Yikes. He was smiling

  • willbest

    If he does 40 pitches, do you use him tomorrow?

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      Yup.

      But I’d just use him for this inning, and if no runs, bring in another and save his arm for manana

      • willbest

        Hendricks is going to pitch a 12 inning perfect game tomorrow, and schwaber will solo homer at the top of the 12th

        • AlbertInTucson

          Shades of Harvey Haddix.

          He threw 12 perfect innings in 1959.

          Alas, he lost it in the 13th.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    As I state every year, if NFL wants trade deadline excitement, invent a Midseason Trade Exemption. Allow that guy to exceed cap.”

    Charlie Casserly was advocating extending the deadline altogether.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Clevinger at the mound is annoying. Like a little kid on a kool aid rush.

  • willbest

    How much do you figure we will have to pay chapman?

  • willbest

    Go Javy

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Can Baez QB?

    • AlbertInTucson

      He sure saved Russell’s bacon.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Move Bryant to 4rth!

    4/4/4

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    yeahhhh!

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      rest Chapman.

      I can go out there with that lead

  • willbest

    Russo!

  • willbest

    Rizzo!

  • AlbertInTucson

    See you tomorrow night, fans.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    REST CHAPMAN

  • AlbertInTucson

    Its only right that this goes 7 games.

    • willbest

      Ratings. We are all trac

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Good momentum going into game 7.

    Hitters are hot.

    • willbest

      Kluber and Miller tomorrow though

  • willbest

    What the hell is chapman doing out there?

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

      They wanna crush cubbie hearts tmrw.

      • willbest

        Good call make him throw 5 more for no reason

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

          #sabermetrics

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Good call. Get that choker off the mound.

    • willbest

      Certainly after he pissed off the ump

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    Nice Cubs.

    Now score 10 runs b4 CLE closers enter game!

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd JumpingDaShark (ButchDeadlift)

    “He’s a very strong young man” on Chapman pitching more than he should’ve

    Says the manager who never pitched in a World Series.

    Meanwhile, a pitcher who has been in elimination games in playoffs says 2-3 innings does drain your body.

    Let’s hope Chapman has some good adrenaline.

    • willbest

      Won’t matter if the Cubs don’t figure out how to do what they did tonight against Kluber and Miller

      • Johnnywad

        Kluber’s third game in seven may well play to the cubs favor. He is human after all. I think.

  • willbest

    Tomorrow is All Souls’ Day. A day when many Christians celebrate the faithfully departed. Seems like a fitting day for a team that hasn’t won a world series in 3 or 5 generations.

  • MB30SD

    Looks like someone found some bats… thats what you say about baseball, right?

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  • Joecashflow

    I see a different Cutler on the sidelines. Engaged. Patting players on the back, fist bumping, matured. Finally. For me and many, it’s been a long long Jeckel Hyde ride. I like the guy I saw Monday nite. The guy that walked straight into the locker room with a thumb? Not so much. That’s the last impression Fox had when he supposedly told a friend he was done with Cutler. In a way, this first half season for Cutler has been a mini series replay of the last 8 years here. Confusing, love hate, happy, sad. It ain’t over til the fat lady sings and Jay holds the sheet music. I suspect whether he is back next year is not written. These final 8 games will be his calling card or trade papers. Listening to him at the press conference, right now, he wants to do good. He wants to come back. He wants to vindicate his legacy with all the doubters out there. Will he? Can He? Can’t wait for the next chapter.

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