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Around the North with Andrew Dannehy: Green Bay

| January 29th, 2016

GREEN BAY PACKERS

It’s going to take more than the return of Jordy Nelson to cure what ails the Packers.

The fact they played the Cardinals close led to a lot of confusion about what kind of team they were. But in their last four games, the Cards beat the Packers twice and were blown out by the Panthers and Seahawks. The Packers finished 5-7 and were a Hail Mary away from going 4-8. They were blown out by Denver, Carolina and Arizona. They just aren’t that good of a team and I’m not sure if they can recover.

Nelson was underrated. Now he’s teetering on being overrated. He’s 31 years old and coming off of a major knee injury. He’s good. He’s not Calvin Johnson.

The truth is this. Despite some miracles, Aaron Rodgers didn’t play very well.

We’ve all heard the rumors that Rodgers doesn’t like coach Mike McCarthy. He wasn’t happy when McCarthy took the playcalling over again, demoting his buddy Tom Clements and limiting his ability to audible. Rodgers took shots at McCarthy weekly and it was largely unnoticed.

But it isn’t just Rodgers who doesn’t seem to be getting along with his boss. It was reported a few weeks ago that McCarthy is “fed up” with General Manager Ted Thompson not going after free agents.

The Packers have been good for a long time because they’ve been good at the three most important positions: GM, head coach and quarterback. But, if those three all hate each other, one has to think their franchise could be headed in the wrong direction.

Offensively, they’re pretty much stuck.

They have a great interior offensive line and their tackles aren’t bad. When they were healthy, they never had an issue blocking.

Mike McCarthy called Eddie Lacy fat after the season, but it didn’t really effect his play. He and James Starks combined for nearly 1,400 yards and 10 touchdowns.

They have to fix their passing game. The Packers receivers weren’t as bad as they were made out to be in 2015. There’s a perception that Randall Cobb had a down year, but his numbers were really on par with what he had done throughout his career, outside of 2014, which was probably the exception not the rule. Davante Adams WAS bad and the Packers must determine if that’s who he is. I would expect with Nelson returning and young players Ty Montgomery, Jeff Janis and Jared Abbrederis coming, James Jones would be let go.

The strength of the Packers was their defense and they have some big questions going forward on that side of the ball. Two of their top pass-rushers, Nick Perry and Mike Neal, are free agents and Julius Peppers has hinted he might retire. (His cap hit is over $10 million next year and the Packers may not want to pay that.) McCarthy has already said they want to move Clay Matthews back outside, where he was one of the premier pass-rushers in the league. Cornerback Casey Hayward is also a free agent.

Thompson has taken some shots, but talent isn’t an issue with the Packers. They have essentiality the same team that was a few breaks away from beating Seattle in the NFC Championship in 2014.

We’ve seen this happen to the Packers before.

In 1998, a year after losing in the playoffs, Mike Holmgren lost control of Brett Favre and grew frustrated with Ron Wolf. He left and the Packers missed the playoffs the next two seasons. Everybody involved in that separation now admits their faults and would urge the current Packers go figure out a way to make it work. But can they put their egos aside? Nobody has the answer to that question, but time will tell.

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  • Trac

    First to say, fack breen gay, I don’t give a coin flip. Hee hee. .

    • The Yes Guy

      YES

  • BearDown100393
    • The GP

      Ha.

      I picture Waffle standing over her grave yelling down “we’re GLAD you’re dead, bitch!”

      • MB30SD

        And then a calm comes over his entire demeanor, and he turns slowly to the family and quietly exclaims with a sad look upon his face, “I’m very sorry for your loss.”

        …turns and slowly walks away.

      • CanadaBear

        And the old Irish joke about pouring Tradewinds on her grave “after I pass it through my liver”.

    • Trac

      “Except Jay Cutler” Hahaha. I love her even in death. That was awesome.

      • Irish Sweetness

        They erroneously described her as ‘intelligent’.

        (blows kiss at a haloed-Cutty portrait over his cot)

        • burntorangenavyblue

          Haha, people are gonna start leaving Jay Cutler cutouts and old jerseys on her headstone.

          On a serious note, obviously she did not write her own obituary. It’s pretty silly that a family member of hers would have the audacity of putting something negative like that in her obit.

          For her to be the age that she was at the time of her passing, she apparently forgot that almost the entire Bears’ franchise history has sported mediocre to sub-par quarterbacks.

  • willbest

    The plays where Rodgers missed Jordy the most was when he would get flushed out, and Jordy would be open down the sideline for a 15 yard game. That happened 2-3 times a game, and it always worked. This year it he had to throw the ball away. Those just weren’t positive plays. They were momentum plays. Beyond that everybody plays better when they are on opposing teams #2 vs. #1, #3 vs. #2 and #4 vs. #3 DB.

    So no, I don’t think Jordy Nelson is being overrated in this. If you are going to get 2-3 extra first downs a game with him than without him. Its like the people around here saying Alshon isn’t worth 12+ mil let alone 14. The Bears offense averaged 2 yards more per play when he was in the lineup. That is a massive difference in the ability to move the ball.

    In fact, I think it is their Defense they need to be concerned about. They are losing their pass rush. And it is only Mathews that makes them okay against the run. If he goes back to rushing the passer they are going to go back to have a big hole up the middle.

    • Trac

      MB wanted me to ask you if 2″ is massive as well. I love ya buddy. Hee hee.

    • BerwynBomber

      I suspect they will draft an ILB in the first or second round, if not two of them.

    • BillW

      Opponents learned to cover the receivers twice – once the “normal” amount of time and then again when they figured Rodgers was scrambling and the improvising was on.

      That strategy would be much harder with a decent #1 receiver – whether it’s Nelson or anyone else.

      They REALLY overpaid for Cobb, obviously.

      • SC Dave

        Looks like they did overpay.

  • CanadaBear

    I love the fact that Erin is such a whiny bitch. That type of shit just wears people out. Hopefully Nelson comes back a step slower.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Who would have thought the U.S.- Japanese rice relationship was so interesting.
    Flicking through “Japan’s role in the post-Cold War World” (Leitch-Kato-Weinstein), a few things popped up :

    1. Californian farmers are four times as efficient as Japanese farmers (who during the 80s and 90s were still largely using people stooped over in paddy fields collecting the rice). This desire to penetrate the Japanese market meant that decades-old agreements are still in effect whereby Californian farmers pay only $7 for the water they consume to keep one acre of land wet. $7. Even during a drought, this water is theirs. During a bad drought in ’91, the state offered them $450 per acre for this water to satisfy the emergency requirements for its natives. They refused, citing the $267 per acre subsidy for each idled acre they would forfeit,as well as the lost income from rice. The state cares more about subsidising rice – and fucking with the Chinese, Japanese and Thais (who don’t/cant subsidise their rice) – than it does about its own people.

    2. This gem turned up. Testifying before the U.S. house of Representatives in 1988, Rear Admiral Gen. Laroque : “There is not a penny in the U.S. Treasury. The country is rich, but the Treasury is flat broke, and we borrow $3 Billion every week just to pay Government bills and keep those forces in foreign countries.”

    What do you suppose they’re borrowing NOW?

    To then paraphrase him, he goes on to say that the U.S. military promises recruits a college education if they go and defend Japan for four years. When those recruits get to Japan, they see a country full of kids going to college, paid for by parents whose country lends money to the USA …. to pay their deficit … so that they can send their kids to defend Japan. This happens in many other countries too.

    The USA is bankrupting itself because it is afraid of leaving alone countries it has formerly conquered, lest they start acting independently.

    Of course Hilary, and Trumpster will be all over that, right? Has the revolution started yet?

    • CanadaBear

      At some point the US will wake up and stop pouring all their money into the military and homeland security. Of course, I will have died about 20 years before that actually happens.

      • Irish Sweetness

        This is it, C-Bear, they’re not even defending America, but other countries. It broke the Roman Empire’s back too.

        • willbest

          Romans were on the gold standard. The US just makes it up.

          • SC Dave

            The Romans exacted tribute from their vassals. We pay them.

            Read The Empire of Debt. A fine book. Almost as good as Mobs, Messiahs, and Markets.

    • willbest

      Cruz and Rand are your fiscal hawks. Cruz’s platform is to removal all subsidies from everybody and then lower the tax rate to maintain revenue neutral. Neither one if elected would achieve any thing but superficial cuts.

      The US isn’t going to go bankrupt until people stop accepting US dollars as payment for things. Given that the US dollar has risen in value against every major currency of late, nobody around the world is seriously considering switching.

      This doesn’t make sense to most people, but once you understand that debt is money, you can begin to appreciate what is going on.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Money as debt …. but yes. Therein lies the problem, as more money is created, the debt increases (the govt. is paying vig on each dollar to the Fed). As the debt is about to hit 19 Trillion, the interest repayments increase with time … thus increasing the debt. This continues until the American people demand the Federal Reserve Act to be repealed and cut the head off the snake. That didn’t work out too well for Lincoln or JFK.. both shot in the head in public.

        But what happens when people stop lending the U.S. money to pay its government and military bills? The ‘value’ of the dollar is a day away from being worthless, there’s literally nothing backing it, the Fed already own the country lock stock and barrel as assets on an 80-year-old loan. The real value of the dollar has dropped 96% since 1900 (http://www.businessinsider.com/how-your-dollar-got-to-be-worth-just-38-cents-2012-2)

        The Great Oz can decide to just bundle up the US dollar into a derivative and make the sub-prime crisis look like a bump in the road to the tsunami which is possible.

        • willbest

          Didn’t the Fed buy 40% of the FedGov debt this time around? I suppose that is what it looks like when foreigners stop loan the US money. Of course, they can’t really do that. Anybody that forces the US hand to either default or hyper inflate is looking at world wide, economic MAD. Which would almost assuredly occur in conjunction with WW3.

          You are correct it could all crash down tomorrow, but nobody with any power in the the matter is at all interested in that happening, nor are the sheep in their countries all that interested in forcing them too.

  • BerwynBomber

    GB’s O-line is overrated. They had a very good year in 2014. More often than not they are, at best, an average group.

    Rodgers could rebound in ’16. My suspicion is he’ll never put up those insane TD/INT ratios again but they will still be good and his production, which was way below his standard in ’15, will tick upward (i.e., both his TDs and YPA). Yes, Nelson returns, but also Montgomery, who was already proving solid slot guy. Moreover, the Cheese passing game was starting to move the ball with Janis and Abbaderis, two PS guys, against AZ in the Divisional game. Those two began the year 6th and 7th on their depth chart.

    Their D is where they could have trouble. Matthews, who like Rodgers covers up a lot of issues on one side of the ball, is not getting any younger. Neither is Raji. And as AD points out, they have ~ four guys up for free agency, so gotta figure they will only be able to keep two.

    The one plus for GB in ’15 is that they worked two rookie DBs into either starting roles or 3rd down rotations. Neither looked like a future All-Pro, but they did look like semi-solid/competent rookies.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Sounds similar to us (the last line) – didn’t we do that with Amos and Quartey-Jones?

      Time to draft Jalen Ramsey? 6’1, 92 KG.

  • TBC

    LOL

    • Trac

      Heads or tails? Hee hee

      • BillW

        “No fair! I want a do-over on the call! I’m telling Olivia on you!!”

        • Scharfinator

          DO OVER DO OVER I DONT UNDERSTAND PROBABILITY

  • Trac

    I see the Raider’s are being wined and dined by the Sands in Vegas. Does anyone think it would be a bad idea for the NFL to allow a team in Vegas?

    • willbest

      Other than, they would have less of a fan base than the Chargers.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Perfect climate for snakes.

      • AlbertInTucson

        More snakes in Washington, D.C.

    • CanadaBear

      The stadium would always be full due to the actual football fans and all the comps for gamblers. Whether they would be rooting for the home team is another matter entirely.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Only 10 home games, mostly on Sundays which is a slower gambling day in sin city anyway.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      I don’t think it’s a bad idea, today. If they’re worried about gambling issues, then the NFL would technically be admitting that gambling IS AN ISSUE. Plus, it’d be cool to see Vegas get a pro team.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Really, it’s not like you need to go to Vegas to get a bet down these days.

    • AlbertInTucson

      The NFL is in bed with Fantasy Football.

      Fantasy Football is gambling so the NFL can stop with the “Gambling will ruin our game” pretense.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Jeff, why do you continue to use your DaBearsBlog twitter as a springboard of other topics besides sports?

    OF COURSE you are going to lose/gain followers when you make political statements- most of your followers are following you for BEARS/FOOTBALL stuff, not politics. So if anything, people may be jumping ship because you made a political statement and they don’t want to hear or read that, regardless if they are righties or lefties. In fact, it could be moderate people who are sick of hearing lefty/righty stuff and want only to have football/Bears news and info on their Twitter account.

    • CanadaBear

      Twitter … smfh.

    • Trac

      Third rail topics are welcome here as long as it’s a sideshow imo. I disagree with Jeff’s stand on social issues and politics but he keeps it to a reasonable minimum.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        I agree, because we do that all the time in the comment section.

        I’m just talking about the Twitter stuff. The handle name of it is DaBearsBlog. I cannot imagine how many followers he actually has that do not even come into the comment board. Most probably don’t give a hoot, and many also don’t want to fill up their list of people that they follow to be cluttered with political and divisive topics when they just want straight up Bears/football news.

        His reactionary comments using DaBearsBlog also is confusing. His twitter and blog encompasses ultimately the Bears and the sport of football. His level of journalism is bar-none, but his professionalism and attitude is back and forth at times with his handling of using his personal opinion outside of football on DaBearsBlog twitter feed.

        What exactly is he expecting to happen when this occurs? Is he really that amused, or just bored? He should know exactly what would happen when doing that; If I went up to someone and punched them in the face, I should know pretty much what will happen.

        • willbest

          He has 4,000 followers, at least half of those would be fake. Meaning 2,000 people. That seems like about the same amount that would read the blog.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Why would half of it be fake? I don’t do Twitter, just only read the box on this page.

          • willbest

            Because half of all twitter accounts are fake. People pay shady companies for social media followers to juice eyeball following and rip off sponsors. All over the developing world there are people in computer labs generating fake profiles. And because they can’t be so nakedly obvious they end up following a bunch of popular people and random schlubs. I have twitter account just so I can follow people on twitter as a sort of news feed, and I have 23 followers all of them fake.

    • The GP

      Seems pretty simple to have a DBB Twitter feed and a Jeff Hughes twitter feed.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Exactly. I’m pretty sure he’ll have enough followers for both to get by.
        People do not want to read a twitter post that is then followed up by a reaction to the prior posting that is a Capt. Obvious type reaction. It’s a waste.

    • willbest

      If you are unable to have a civil conversation about the direction of the country, you should under no circumstances be allowed near a voting booth.

      edit; I might add that this particular political tweet of his, is almost non-political. We should clean up the corruption and waste at the VA. That he praised Jeb’s plan is about the only thing political of it.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        My point is that there shouldn’t be any “reactionary” type responses to the Twitter comment he posted earlier when it is a no-brainer of how people will react anyways.

        Not sure if it is a jab at me, but I’m able to have a conversation of any type with anybody. You and I have interacted enough on here to know that.

        I think it’s ridiculous that Jeff owns a DaBearsBlog handle, and he would make a reaction that people are jumping ship when he makes a political statement.

        • willbest

          It wasn’t directed at you. Just anybody that would unfollow based on the occasional comments made by somebody you don’t agree with. If they aren’t preaching I don’t see the point. Then again I do not use social media regularly.

          I interpreted his tweet more of a curiosity. Jeff does lean to the left, so perhaps he was just surprised that there were roughly the same level of hyper-sensitive people on his side, as the side he does not favor. That could be new information to him.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I find it endlessly curious that there are folk in the states who lean to the left … those who lean to the right … when the government and representatives are only interested in leaning on your windpipe with army-issue boots.

            I’m curious – is there anyone on the blog who thinks it makes the blindest bit of difference who the President is?

            How long would a President last if they told the people that The Fed wasn’t federal at all, was milking all their money, and that we shouldn’t have standing armies in 130+ nations because we’re 20 trillion in the hole and can’t ever pay it off?

          • burntorangenavyblue

            I can see Trump letting that slip if he were President

          • willbest

            It does and it doesn’t. Nobody is going to touch the ponzi scheme that is debt creation. But who you elect president does have a bearing on where that new debt gets spent. You get an FDR and you get infrastructure. You get a Bush you get a war in some distant lands. You get Obama, you run up debt on some two-bit social program that helps a couple million people while flushing hundreds of billions down the federal bureaucracy hole.

            And then who they pick to the Supreme Court obviously does matter. Criminal justice system sees substantial changes from right leaning to left leaning courts. As do various social issues.

          • Trac

            There’s only 2 religions in the U.S. now. Demcats & Publicans and they’re both full of hogwash.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Ah gotcha, thanks!

  • The GP

    Huh.

    Warren Buffett said if Trump is elected, he will take over the chair on Celebrity Apprentice

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’m keeping my fingers and toes crossed that it’s Sanders .. and Bill O’Reilly has to go back on his word to leave the country.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        He’ll probably go to Alaska, with Palin. Which he’ll think he’s going on his word of “leaving the country”.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If it happened, I bet he’d go to Canada, come straight back in, pointing upwards :I DID leave … I DID leave….”.

      • willbest

        Bernie Sanders first real job was when he was 40 when he was elected mayor. He spent his 20s and 30s as a gypsy unable to hold a job complaining about the evils of capitalism to anybody who would listen. He literally couldn’t cut it anywhere but government. This is why his proposals aren’t based in economic reality.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Oh I have no such belief that it makes the slightest bit of difference who the POTUS is … I just want to see what Bill O’ Reilly does if Sanders wins.

          Like a glitch in the computer that fixes the result.

          The only proposal that can pull America out of the world’s biggest hole is repealing the you-know-what, and nobody wants to get their head blown off.

    • CanadaBear

      I read a funny one the other day. How is Trump going to stand up to ISIS when he can’t even stand up to a tiny newscaster at a friendly network?

      • willbest

        I don’t know, I don’t feel a need to go toe to toe with my 6 year old whenever he pitches a fit.

        Anyway, it was obvious that he was wise not to attend. Fox ambushed Cruz and Rubio and they will take a hit for it. Never fight a battle on your enemies. Jeb seems like he was the biggest benefactor of the whole thing. But then he doesn’t have a shot.

        • Irish Sweetness

          “That’s my daughter in the water, I lost every time I fought her, I lost every time.”

          Loudon Wainwright III

          • BillW

            “Everything she owns I bought her”
            That’s why I’m so broke.

        • BearDown100393

          FOX is enemies with GOP candidates?

          • willbest

            Yes and No. They won’t line up for the Donk in the general (well who knows if the GOP nominates Trump), but they clearly are carrying water for the RNC (which is run by a bunch of Jeb! allies). Last night proved that.

      • Trac

        Is the door open councilor?

  • burntorangenavyblue
    • Irish Sweetness

      Smooth criminals? Not since my thirties, brah.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      I hope all of you guys take yourself and your buddies to go see Deadpool. There are so many comics that are clearly not suited for children that Hollywood won’t touch or just clearly screwed up on what makes it work (Punisher, Spawn, etc.). If Deadpool does great, it’ll be interesting to know which comics they will look into to bring to the big screen that deserves a hard “R” rating.

      • willbest

        I will probably get to it, but not in the critical first 4 weeks. I have every intention of buying the blu-ray.

      • Bender McLugh

        oh man, a Spawn done right would be epic. Rob Zombie as director please.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Devante Adams fooled the Packers. He came on in the post season last year and looked like a plenty viable receiving threat. But when he was in and out of the lineup all this season and seemed to only get healthy just in time to not make a catch he should have, often in key situations.

  • Big Mike

    Hello blog followers. Fuck the Packers. Bears are winning the North next year. Big Mike out.

    • SC Dave

      ‘ murica! Fuck yeah!

  • Doc Nitty

    Happy Friday! I get done teaching at 12:30 today. Then, I’m driving to my buddy’s house to drink heavily, smoke mightily, and play Rock n Roll music into the wee hours. God Bless Fridays.

    • The GP

      Surf’s Up Spicolli!

  • The GP

    I’m not sure if it is boobz Friday or not. While we wait to see, let’s all sit down.

    Ok? Sit down. Let’s sit down in a circle, the whole blog together, mmmm’kay? Sit cross legged and hold your hands out on your knees. Breathe deep… let’s wind the week down….

  • The GP
    • BillW

      I remember a long time ago there was some TV station that used the first decent football computer game (don’t recall the name but you called plays and the graphics were x’s and o’s that moved across the screen). Anyway I seem to recall they pitted teams in the past against each other and actually used film clips to simulate what the computer determined.

      Either that, or I dream I got the job to do that because it sounded cool.

      Anyway, that computer game came out around 85 and the Bears were in fact unbeatable. A full out blitz worked on every passing down.

      • The GP

        Strat-o-matic football?

      • willbest

        Tecmo bowl was 1987 and released on Nintendo in 1989. It was modeled loosely on the the players of that time.

        • BillW

          No – before that I think. It was PC based. You used the keyboard. If you played two player, the open had to look away while you called your play. (I don’t recall which side called first.)

          Just found it – NFL Challenge
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Challenge

          • BillW

            And it’s downloadable for FREE! Since the 85 Bears are the strongest team, I’m getting tonight. Hope it runs on today’s computers!

          • willbest

            nice. I tried that with the original wing commander maybe a decade ago. It was designed for the 386/486, but because it based movement speed on clock cycles when you stuck it on a P3/P4 your ship just shot through the known universe or crashed into asteroids. It was funny as hell for 15 minutes or so.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ctrl F11/F12 to slow down CPU ….

          • Irish Sweetness

            Looks like it was written in ‘C’ – those dialog boxes aren’t easy to draw, y’know! No object-oriented strateegery back then!

          • Irish Sweetness

            http://www.myabandonware.com/game/nfl-challenge-68

            Download, or play in browser …

        • AlbertInTucson

          Tecmo Super Bowl. Loved that game. Got the Bears thru an undefeated season onetime.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Super Sunday on the C64 for me. Text based.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Film clips in ’85??

  • willbest

    So last night Chris Christie said something along the lines of “The time for the Clintons in public housing is over”. Presumably he meant the White House, but according to today’s headlines public housing of the 8×8 variety is where at least one of them will be spending the next 5-15 years.

    I been saying for a couple months, that I think the next DNC nominee is Joe Biden. And if Bernie does end up with the nod I expect the DNC to drop him like a turd and endorse the Independent-Democrat Bloomberg.

    • Trac

      Is this a wet dream of yours? Hahaha. 5 minutes spent on any of these turds is too much time. Put all of em in a ring for a fight to the death, winner gets the white house challenge.

      • willbest

        I suspect Irish and I have similar wet dreams. Andrew Jackson reincarnates and defeats the banksters. The Oligarchy behind the FedGov shatters, and the 10-20% they have been skimming off the top for decades finds its way to the people that work for a living.

        Its why I play the lottery when the pot gets over $450 million or so. Better odds.

        • SC Dave

          Getting that 20% back (i think its more, but wont quibble) would be the ultimate fantasy.

        • BearDown100393

          And bring back pistol duels also!

          • AlbertInTucson

            The old Burr-Hamilton dispute resolution process

        • Irish Sweetness

          And it all ends up back at community-level, with any cities being walled … to keep them in, to stop spread. A green, hippy living vibe, with hippy music. Nuclear fusion acceptable. Teach kids ‘thinking’ as a subject in school … no politicians, no military, a pared-back society that –

          {IRISH! NOOOO!}

          Sorry.

      • BearDown100393

        Political Death Match – MTV Clay Figurines.

        • willbest

          I remember those. Got boring after 2 episodes. Solid proof of concept, no staying power.

          • BearDown100393

            I was easily entertained. Still waiting for that entire series Bluray commemorative boxset…..

    • The GP

      You think the fact that 22 emails got labelled Top Secret is going to send her to jail? Ever work with anyone who worked in the US State Department? Or for Grumman or Boeing?

      Here’s a clue: Emails that contain TS information get accidentally spilled into unencrypted public email boxes all the time. ALL the time.

      This is a Ken Starr class bullshit hunt. She skates.

      • willbest

        The key word in your sentence is accidentally. But you are right I have no idea how things go on now. Its been 15 years since I had a government security clearance. But back then even an accidental breach would have cost you your job and security clearance.

        • BillW

          Yes, it would have cost someone at your level (or I should say someone relatively anonymous to the public) your job.

          The Secretary of State? No way. No doubt it was poor judgement – due to arrogance – but I doubt it will land her in jail as long as the emails were not marked as classified.

          I don’t want to see her as President, so don’t think I’m defending her. But I’m sure anyone in her position sees so much stuff and is so busy she probably is not conscious of what is classified and what is not. No excuse – but the fact is, she has a job to do.

          However, that’s why she’s not supposed to use her own server. I think one thing that WOULD sink her candidacy is if it can be rpoven “the enemy” hacked her server and stole any of these “unmarked” classified documents.

          It most likely DID happen,but tough to have evidence of it. Unless a right-wing Dan Rather gets a hold of a “truthiness” document showing it.

          • willbest

            Here is my understanding of the matter. Her private server is incapable of receiving e-mails marked classified because the e-mail clients used for classified documents won’t send the e-mails to untrusted servers. This means that the e-mails must be stripped of their classified markings in order to make it to Clinton’s server (a deliberate act).


            This is just insight from my brief stint doing computer science related stuff before becoming a paper pusher as I obviously have no idea about what the Fed Gov uses as its highest level of security.

            A competently designed e-mail client would make it exceptionally difficult to accidentally send classified e-mails to non-classified servers. For example, you shouldn’t be allowed to copy and paste or screen capture out of an e-mail marked classified. So you are pretty much left retyping it. And quite frankly, you shouldn’t even be able to have a classified e-mail open while typing in a non-classified email.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’m not aware of any email system that performs ANY checks BEFORE an email is sent. Send means Send. It’s just a packet sent out on a network. Security levels only deal with encryption and access level, the bones of what they operate on is just generic software, and the window for human error is massive – it cannot be legislated for. I’ve never worked IT in a top-secret scenario, but these places surely just use Outlook, Groupwise etc.? I update a Veteran’s database to do with GI Bill students we have … military-designed software leaves a LOT to be desired, shall we say. It’s like something out of the early days of computing with no apparent design-values etc. Do not assume that your military/government is in any way competent from an IT/Security perspective. That stuff is way above the pay-grades of the juniors who end up doing admin on it.

          • willbest

            Military systems are designed differently than consumer systems. There are reasons for that. It makes it odd to use them at times. I obviously won’t vouch for their security, but their structure does enhance it. I am not in the biz anymore, but I know several people that design software for the military, and quite often the military looks at it, pays them, and then scraps it for some reason or another. So there is a lot of inertia to overcome when it comes to improving the software they use.

            It would not surprise me to find out they let the dipshit pols use outlook because the grandmas and grandpas that end up making decisions at the top level can’t handle the tech that would be most likely to keep things secure.

            I am hoping the reason that there are only 4 congress critters kept completely in the loop is because those 4 are capable of handing the enhanced security that should surround such intel, but who knows our government is full of idiots.

          • The GP

            It’s called DLP, Irish. It’s not hard. Most companies have it. The person still hits SEND, it just never leaves the network because the server checks it.

          • Cubsnlinux

            It is completely transparent to end users. Send means Send but.. there are no point to point connections between any servers in government. When a packet flies away it most certainly hits an intermediary where it undergoes several checks before it is sent on its merry way. This in addition to encryption at rest and in transit.

          • Irish Sweetness

            A member of the Power-Elite going to jail??

          • AlbertInTucson

            No holding my breath.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Knowing the kind of person that ends up as IT admin in these places, most email servers are unprotected from the most basic attacks. Gary McKinnon famously hacked NASA and the Pentagon using a PERL script that used ‘ADMIN’ as the username and blank passwords. Then he used an HTTP Daemon called RemotelyAnywhere to access the files.

        He claimed to have found a list of ‘Non-terrestrial officers’, but that’s another deal. The fact that he was arrested by the FBI for hacking suggests at least his methods were accurate.

    • BerwynBomber

      Actually the time for Chris Christie in public housing — short of cabinet position in a GOP presidency — might be over. He almost certainly would never get re-elected to a state-wide office in NJ again. I guess he could find a GOP district in NJ and run for a seat in the US House but that seems his ceiling these days.

      In terms of Clinton, the news will hurt her politically, but unless she knowingly passed along top secret material to an unathorized private citizen — as Paetreus did — doubtful it results in any legal action.

      • willbest

        I am not a Christie fan. He was fun to watch in the beginning, but he has been a lot of smoke and mirrors. Cabinent posts don’t net you a house. The way he was talking about prosecuting Clinton last night though made it sound like he was auditioning for AG.

        Huma is the opportunist that married Weiner. If the Clinton can’t protect her, and the Feds get her, she will roll states evidence. Well unless the rumors about her and Clinton are true.

        • BearDown100393

          Christie needs to admit he also broke the dam.

        • SC Dave

          Or she commits “suicide”

    • AlbertInTucson

      You don’t seriously expect THIS justice department to actually charge Hilary with anything/

      If the FBI persists, I’d say the chances are better we end up with a new FBI director.

      • willbest

        FBI directors are appointed for 10 year terms (though they usually retire when asked or because they don’t want to do it anymore). They however cannot be fired for political reasons. You have to trump up some charges against them first. Clinton did this back in the 90s where he dinged the guy for taking a government plane to a private event (which is something every government employee that has access to a government plane has done since forever).

        • AlbertInTucson

          None of which I would put past this administration.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I can hear it now:

            “How DARE you do your job?! We’d like you to resign.”

  • The GP
  • MB30SD

    try not to laugh, I fucking dare you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaHaTJ_kqQc

    • Irish Sweetness

      I swore I wouldn’t laugh.

      Every. Damn. Time.

      • MB30SD

        It’s the way he eats the bananas, fucking hilarious

        • DaMurph

          I saw a motherfucker eat a polish sausage the same way!

          • AlbertInTucson

            Obvious question: Did you see that in a mirror!

            I kid, i kid!

          • AlbertInTucson

            Our basset hound LOVES bananas, peel and all.

          • MB30SD

            He’s talking about me Al. I tend to inhale my food insanely quickly. All my friends give me shit about it.

            When we make dinner plans they’re like, ok and after the 10 minutes what do you want to do.

          • CanadaBear

            Does eating fast ever give you indigestion? That certainly has slowed me down.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, nothing is good about it, but I can’t change it. I’ve tried

          • MB30SD

            Huah! Wagawagwagahwuagah!

        • AlbertInTucson

          I did not laugh. Much.

  • Irish Sweetness
    • MB30SD

      Get used to it erin, you whiny little cunt

  • Irish Sweetness

    Got that NFL Challenge working, kind of, (you have to create a C:NFL directory, and then copy all the game files and the 84 directory files in there). But when the game starts and you select the teams etc. the numerical keys to start the game don’t work. Anyone load it up yet?

  • CanadaBear

    It’s always good to look at mock drafts and remind yourself how stupid they are. The latest 4-rd mock on NFL’s site has the Bears taking Miles Jack in the 1st and then follow up with a WR, OT, CB. Unless the Bears address DL and LB in FA this is insane. Guess who never saw any Bears games this year???????

    • Irish Sweetness

      I saw that. And the WR was 5-11. Jack in the first I could live with as long it was a DE in the second. Although if that CB Jalen Ramsey fell to 11 he’d be hard to pass up, he looks useful.

      • CanadaBear

        I don’t follow college ball so I have no idea about any of these guys. My issue were the positions drafted. Like you, I’m totally OK with LB in the first.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Richard Dawkins responded to a woman’s private tweet and suggested she abort her Down Syndrome foetus. Is his career over? Should it be? A step too far methinks. Shame on you Dawkins.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/brendan-oconnor/abort-it-and-try-again-whining-dawkins-is-illogical-and-medieval-30531192.html

    • CanadaBear

      Guess who has never been around someone with Downs Syndrome? What an idiot to say shit like that and then try to blame it on Twitter. Douche-Bag! I’m sure he would have blamed it on the media except he was the media.

      • Trac

        Sadly, there are a lot of people that think that way Canada.

        • Johnnywad

          There’s a guy that walks through my neighborhood every evening with his mother. He’s about 30 I’d guess. He has Downs. He will stop dead in his tracks to talk Lions football every time he sees me. Calvin Johnson is the guy’s hero. He is just as happy as a body can be every time I see him. Too bad about the Lions thing. Can’t imagine anybody wanting him dead before he starts. I always feel better about my day just seeing him. It’s nice to see so much boundless joy for life while the rest of us are always bitching about something or other

          • Trac

            I loved that character that played the role of Mary’s brother in “There’s something about Mary”.

          • Johnnywad

            Gonna have to refresh my.memory

          • Trac

            Do a google. The guy had a disability but was always happy unless you touched his ears.

          • CanadaBear

            My late sister in law was very slow mentally. Her and all her friends were a revelation to me.

    • Trac

      That’s where modern day evolution nut jobs have to end up if they carry their logic all the way through Irish, life is cheap to them. What’s the diff to him since he thinks there’s no such thing as a soul and we all evolved from slime and just end up as nothing more than worm dirt. What a hopeless outlook on life imo.

      • willbest

        When you only believe what you see is what you get, then you have every incentive to maximize present value at the expense of the past and the future.

        That is not human nature however. You run across a suspiciously large number of Gaea and Science worship among people that otherwise profess to subscribe to some form of nihilism. A true nihilist wouldn’t give a flop about what the climate of the planet would be like 100 years from now, what species die, what fracking might do, peak anything, Malthusian struggles in Africa, etc.

        So either they yearn for something more or they are just using such causes to exploit others and gain power.

      • MB30SD

        This propaganda rhetoric bullshit is where you totally loose me my brother. Love you, but come on maings. I’m a godless heathen, and if I were the right age I promise you, you’d kill to have me as your son in law.

        It’s not about which version of the lovely
        Fairytale you believe in my mangs, it’s the person inside. Don’t be a beater man.

        • Trac

          Do you even know what this guy preaches MB? He’s a cook.

          • Trac

            Edit. I had to add this MB because I didn’t see the last part of your post.

            You can have your opinions dude, I’ll stick to my faith in a crucified Christ who died on the cross for all of mankind so they could have a real hope and a future in Him and His teachings if they choose to do so. So my man, as Paul Harvey used to say when he signed of the air, “good day”. 🙂

          • MB30SD

            Oh, I get it, so why join him? Hahahaha. ; )

    • willbest

      Considering DS is evolution in action you would think that somebody like Dawkins should be leading the pro-life crusade. Why would you unnaturally kill off a potential branch while its still a twig?

      • Trac

        I do question the woman’s clarity of mind for reaching out to Dawkins in the first place though.

    • BearDown100393

      Dawkins nailed Mr. Garrison.

  • Trac

    Interestingly, according to this article, the Bears have drafted 2 of the best 5 players drafted in the 2nd round over the last decade.

    http://sportsnaut.com/2015/04/nfl-draft-5-best-2nd-round-picks-of-the-past-decade/

    • willbest

      Amusingly Gronk was taken with a Bears draft pick that we sent to Tampa to improve the o-line for our new QB. Just kidding a D-line player who sadly died from an undiagnosed heart condition.

      Gronk and Forte no doubt. But Jeffery arguably isn’t the best WR taken in the second round (Jordy Nelson and Desean Jackson are other two). Plus I think there are a lot of options not listed that make it less obvious than they claim. Skipping over 2014 and 2015 you get

      Kawaan Short, Le’Von Bell, Bobby Wagner, Andy Dalton, a slew of safeties TJ Ward, Jarius Byrd, Eric Weddle. Ryan Kalil, Devin Hester, MJD, Andrew Whitworth

      edit: I see this was written before this FB season so I can understand why Short/Bell wouldn’t have been in consideration.

      Also, I note that Gostkowski made the top 5 forth rounders before he missed the PAT and forcing the patriots into sudden death. Seems odd that they couldn’t find a better option for round 4, although he has been pretty amazing as kickers go.

      • And ppl think I’m crazy for wanting to use one of our THREE 6th rounders to draft the best K.

        Outside of that miss, he’s been $.

        And last I checked, the Pats are the model NFL franchise. Crazy like a Fox

        • Irish Sweetness

          I’d give one up for that kicker that made the papers the other day …

          • MB30SD

            I’d give one up for a kicker who can get the fucking ball into the endzone on kickoffs…. you know, 1 of the 2 things in their fucking job description. Smh.

          • CanadaBear

            Better hope they can kick when the lights are on.

  • Trac
    • DaMurph

      YEP, and the Browns shouldnt be that surprised. We all saw this was a huge possibility!

      • CanadaBear

        They might as well cut bait as soon as it’s most advantageous to the org. I can’t imagine he has any trade value. Jackson as much as said he’s gone when he got hired and then backtracked.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Jackson wants him gone. HE wants to BE gone. It’s just a matter of “when”, not “if”.

    • Irish Sweetness

      How many times now?

      • MB30SD

        Lost. Cause.

        If another team picks that human white trash POS up, I’ll just shake my head. The upside is just soooooooooooooooooo not worth the downside. Always manage your downside risk baby.

    • BearDown100393

      Million dollar arm. Ten cent head. And there is no Crash Davis around to show the ropes. The pairing of this player with this particular franchise could not be worst.

  • CanadaBear

    Hey MB, did you see the story of the young Belgian girl getting busted for having an electric motor inside the seat tube of her backup bike? That’s not going to end well for her. She was racing at the CX worlds in the women’s under 23 race. She was a favorite going into the race.

    • MB30SD

      Smh. Nothing new right? As me pappy says, cheaters never prosper

      • CanadaBear

        I watched a YT vid with Davide Cassani (Old pro biker) that shows how it works. Pretty ingenious. The vid basically claims Cancellara was using it to win a couple of Classics. That part is hooey but the mechanical part was cool. Oh yeah, I forgot the code. Here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE

      • AlbertInTucson

        If you have to cheat, why bother to compete?

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Just finished watching Deadwood again. First time I’ve watched em binge-style instead of week to week. Masterpiece. Make the film, @HBO.”

    Helluva show but always felt the characters began bordering on self-parody in the third/final season. Of course the Swearagen character was intentionally written that way, but the some of others, including Olyphant’s character, began drifting that way.

    Speaking of Olyphant, check out “Justified” if you haven’t yet. Not as deep or serious as “Deadwood” but well-written and fun nonetheless.

    • BearDown100393

      We dug coal together.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Apparently ‘Hannibal’ went and got awesome, the second and third series got rave reviews from viewers and critics alike, only watched the first series.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Don’t they kill “WIld Bill” late in the first or early in the 2nd season?

      • BerwynBomber

        Early in the first season, which sucked because Carradine nailed the role but apparently the murder of Hickock is historically accurate.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I remember Carradine getting rave reviews for his portrayal.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis
    • BearDown100393

      The Lions have a history of their elite players growing to hate football.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Due respect. He always seemed like a class act.

      Anyone know if that relives the Lions of all or part of his CAP hit?

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        i think the cap will only reflect whatever is left of the signing bonus, in this case 3.2 mill. not 100% sure on that.

      • Johnnywad

        He just needs a year off before becoming a two year Bear.

  • BerwynBomber

    Megatron gone. Good for us but kinda sucks all the same. Weird thing is I wonder if he is a HOFer. Never thought I would ask that question but also never thought he would retire after only 9 years. That is a short career for an HOFer, I’m guessing. Quality over quantity I suppose.

    • Shady

      We’ll always have this:

      • MB30SD

        …aaaaaaand…. this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq2ohfX_AzI

        that call was such bullshit. It’s called football, he hit him with a shoulder. the dude is 6 fucking 6 and 240 for fuck sake, what’s he sposed to do ya moron?!?!

    • That Guy

      I think its remarkable that Adrian Peterson and Marshawn Lynch, who were both taken in the same draft, are still both playing at a high level.

      Its unusual to see a wide receiver have a shorter career than a running back.

      Incidentally, that was the year that the Lions got Calvin Johnson, the Vikings got Adrian Peterson, the Packers got nobody special and the Bears got… Greg Olson.

      So its not true that the Packers consistently draft better than the rest of the division.

      • BerwynBomber

        Technically it’s debatable whether Lynch is still playing at a high level but point taken.

        AP is a freak.

        • willbest

          AP was under 4 YPC in something like 9 games this season. Lynch doesn’t have it anymore.

          • BerwynBomber

            That’s a cherry-picked, silly stat. He averaged 4.5 for the year. It is like saying other than that 55 and 30 yarder we held him to 2 yards a crack the rest of the game.

            That said, I can’t imagine AP lasting much longer, but again, the dude’s a freak. So we’ll see.

        • Johnnywad

          He’s also had two season long breaks now to rejuvenate his body a.) While his knee healed, and b.) For his suspension. While it certainly hurts his overall career yardage, I’m sure it’s pushed off his retirement a bit.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Ooh, ohh! The Pro-Bowl’s on!

    This is me, not watching.

    • you missed one team throwing 5 interceptions.

      That’s what happens when the QBs for an All Star game are Eli Manning, Derek Carr, and Tyrod Taylor.

      • BerwynBomber

        Who cares? No one ever remembers Pro Bowl performances or scores. I’m surprised people still watch to know there have been five INTs. You should have been paid.

        • I didn’t watch. Just checked a stat box quickly and laughed.

  • That Guy

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/breaking-down-linebackers-terrance-smith-and-nick-kwiatkoski/

    A couple of late round ILBs. The blog wants to see Pace go ILB early, and he didn’t disappoint in his first draft. But there’s nothing stopping him from taking a second inside backer in the later rounds, especially if he doesn’t mind waiting a year or two for the results.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Does anyone care anymore? Almost 15 years now.

    New video (to me) of the Pentagon attack. Posted in 2011! Where did this video come from, and why wasn’t it all over the news, eh?

    So the other night I’m lying there awake thinking about the Pentagon attack and trying to work out the speed at which that thing is travelling in the only video of it hitting the Pentagon. I go looking for it this morning, and I find film from another viewpoint has popped up. There’s a great shot of the hole just before the roof collapsed too. No wings, no debris, no 6-ton engines,…..just a hole about the size of a missile. They’re telling us that a pilot who only had a few lessons on how to take-off, flew a 757 four feet off the ground at about Mach 3 into the most protected facility on the planet.

    Video:

    Gordon Duff, Senior-Editor, Veterans Today :

    I called over two English colleagues to view the video and the hands went up in the air. No. Crazy talk. Couldn’t happen. Don’t involve me.

    It did happen. And they got away with it.

    • willbest

      Yes and the Japanese dropped bombs on the US mainland during WW2 news accounts of which were suppressed by the government.

      You don’t have to be a truther to think that the official report on 9/11 was bullshit, but keep in mind that the further from the truth, the harder it is to keep under wraps. I cannot believe that a government as utterly inept as ours could manage to cover up a missile attack.

      Also the pentagon is a glorified administrative building. It is not our most protected military installation.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Again, people point to “But the govt. would never …” rather than look at the video and photographic evidence. What do you make of the video?

        • willbest

          I can’t make anything of the video. It could be of anything.

        • SC Dave

          Then what happened to the missing plane? Did they also hide a crash sote of a 757?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      nope.

    • Bender McLugh

      First hand accounts of people in the area saw a PLANE. And you really think “new footage” posted to YouTube is legit? Come now!

      • Irish Sweetness

        The six foot hole alone. Never mind alleged supposed “eyewitness accounts”
        What about “your” eyes? Videos, photos …

        • Johnnywad

          Why is is “alleged” eyewitness accounts? You think some giant Kabal got to literally everybody that was outside and in sight of the building on a bright sunny morning? And that they all said they saw a plane. And that nobody said they saw a missile strike. Are we also excepting the plane parts found at the site FROM the missing plane? And that all of the people on the plane in question are missing? Holy shit Irish. Some assholes flew a plane into a building. Why does this seem impossible? How many thousands of planes take off and land around the globe safely every single day by ordinary human beings? Surely its far more difficult to actually land a plane safely than point the mother fucker at a building and hit it. As I understand it, it’s not all that difficult to fly a plane, even a big one, once it’s actually flying. It’s even easier to crash the damn thing into a monster target like the Pentagon.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          that six foot hole shown in the video is not a hole on the exterior of the pentagon. it is a hole in the 3rd ring of the building. the exterior wall of the pentagon is built out of steel reinforced concrete clad in limestone, while if you see a better quality picture of the hole shown in video you will see that it is a brick wall, which is only used in the interior rings of the building.

  • MB30SD

    um, yeah, ok. So anyway.

    Check this out irish, it’s funny. hehe… um, you know nyquil now sells a non-addictive sleepaide right?

    http://www.mandatory.com/2016/01/29/hilarious-bernie-sanders-and-hillary-clinton-comparison-cards-wi/

  • Viva

    5 Years from now, I’d like to see Peanut and Megatron enshrined together in Canton. Two great men who made each other better every time they took the field. World class WR…and the guy who shut him down, while delivering his trademark punch.
    Jeffe – you need to make this your mission.

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