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Around The North with Andrew Dannehy: Detroit

| January 27th, 2016

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There was a changing of the guard in the NFC North this season, with the Vikings overtaking the Packers, but the future of the division remains in question. The following is part one of a three part wrap-up of the division.

DETROIT LIONS

The Lions 2015 season was considered a disappointment but it really shouldn’t have been. When they went 11-5 in 2014, they won close games at an unsustainable rate and lost their best player in free agency before this season (Suh). They finished 2015 with a 7-9 record – right around where they should’ve been.

They had to keep Jim Caldwell. It isn’t just that the Lions were one desperation heave from finishing 7-1. The Lions might have been the best team in the division over the final eight games. They finished 6-2 with a point differential of plus-54, both best in the division.

The issue was they didn’t hire their new GM (Bob Quinn from the Pats) until late and the head coach candidates were winding down. Even if they fired Caldwell and replaced him, the new coach would have a challenge filling out his staff. Keeping Caldwell was the only logical choice, but it could hurt them in 2016.

Of course, Caldwell is now a lame duck. Coaching for a GM who didn’t hire you usually doesn’t end well and the team has a ready-made replacement in Teryl Austin, who has interviewed for pretty much every head job that has become available the last two years.

The best thing Caldwell did was fire Vince Lombardi’s grandson and replace him with Jim Bob Cooter, who, somewhat surprisingly, appears to have all of his teeth. Cooter brought the best out of Matthew Stafford and they scored over 26 points per game after he was promoted.

(Editor’s Note: If you don’t know about Cooter’s arrest record, take a read.)

We’ve seen Stafford play well before, but it usually doesn’t last long. His performance is one of the biggest mysteries in the division entering next year and every year. From throw to throw, nobody knows what to expect.

But the Lions have other questions. Megatron is talking about retiring and they don’t have a really reliable running back. Their defense dropped from being one of the best in the league to one of the worst with several players in their 30s and DeAndre Levy coming off of injury.

They have plenty of talent. Stafford. Abdullah. Megatron*, Tate, Ansah. Their defense needs to add some playmakers, but — like their offense — were solid in the second half of the season.

What we don’t know is if their new GM is any good and few – if any – exPats have had success once venturing away from Belichick’s nest. Is Quinn actually committed to Caldwell? We’ll know if the Lions face adversity early in 2016.

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  • AlbertInTucson

    Megatron retiring at age 30 would hurt.

    Is he fishing for some more money?

    • CanadaBear

      His cap number next year is crazy. Not sure how this one plays out.

      • willbest

        Well he has a prorated bonus of $13 million which would be dead money. Is there any clawback associated with signing bonuses in the event of retirement? Also, I believe if he designates retirement effective June 1 they can spread the cap hit over 2 years if they so choose.

        • CanadaBear

          He’s got to be considering retirement. He’s taken a hell of a beating the last few years.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “The Lions 2015 season was considered a disappointment but it really shouldn’t have been.” ????

    Sorry, Andrew, starting 1-7 after going 11-5 IS a disappointment no matter how you slice it.

    • Big Mike

      Disappointing yes, but not surprising. They were a soft 11-5. Didn’t get better during the offseason. They finished strong against a weak schedule. They are an 8-8 team, just like the Bears.

      • exactly. Every advanced stat last year pegged them as a lucky 8-8 team.

        They simply reverted to form.

    • willbest

      That being said they were robbed against Seattle.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Meh. This team is all roar without the sound. Basically a YAWN

    • SC Dave

      Nice

  • burntorangenavyblue

    A more interesting note is that almost half of the chosen Pro Bowl players are sitting this one out. Thus more alternate players filling in, leading to “record” number of players “chosen” for the Pro-Bowl. NFL needs to get their shit together.

    How about putting the Super Bowl in Hawaii (since only the top 5 percenters or people that sold their left testicle can afford going anyway), and the Pro Bowl alternates with locations in the continental United States so that the middle class and people who don’t have a lot of money get to see a wider variety of their favorite players as well as more likely afford to going to those cities to vacation at. I make way too much sense

    • CanadaBear

      The only all-star game that’s worth watching is MLB’s. It’s the only major US sport that doesn’t require violent defense to keep order on the field.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        I agree. However I can’t STAND the clusterfuck of the pitching rotation during MLB Allstars.

        • AlbertInTucson

          And the concept that “The game MEANS something but EVERYBODY has to play so, occassionally, we have to just stop because we run out of players.”

          • CanadaBear

            All of the above is true but it’s the only one that I will watch. Usually only about an hour or so.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Likewise.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Super Bowl is NEVER going to have a permanent home. The League makes money off of Cities fighting to host it.

      • BerwynBomber

        Which is unfortunate as I would prefer to see it played in a warm weather outdoor stadium every year.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I have no desire to see a Super Bowl played in a snowstorm.

          • CanadaBear

            I have no issue with a snow bowl but the NFL is usually not going to inconvenience the paying customers. That is of course, unless they have a payback to NY for a new stadium.

    • willbest

      Super Bowl tickets are interesting from an economic study. They are effectively a priceless commodity. What I mean is that when you see the going rate is $10,000 those are one off transactions because the vast majority of the people with Super Bowl tickets won’t sell them for $10,000 and the vast majority of people (even people that could) won’t buy them for that price.

  • Trac

    Can’t seem to embrace a thread about the kittens. Tell me something I don’t know.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Funny story: On Golf and Spiegel (sp?) this morning, they had a guy on there, one of their analyst nfl guy, I missed the beginning to catch name, was going on and on about sticking up for the NFL players going to the Super Bowl. He was saying stupid shit like “Those players are having a tough 2 weeks getting ready and then have to deal with some Uncle John that they never heard of coming out of the woodworks asking for a ticket! They only get so many tickets to invite family, but everyone should leave them alone!” (That’s not a direct word for word because I was floored that the show had someone trying to make the listeners pity the players, so I was appalled and cracking up. Almost hit a deer because of it!)

    • The GP

      “Officer, I killed Bambi because some motherfucker on the radio said that NFL players have it hard when people hit them up for tickets, and the thought of the NFL hangers on and entourage bullshit made me lose control and then Bambi just fucking ran onto the road, so I nailed her and sent her flying. I wasn’t my fault officer. I blame Roger Goodell.”

      • Doc Nitty

        And then Roger would deny that the dear sustained head injuries.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Bambi was a boy.
        (runs out the door)

    • Scharfinator

      If the caller thinks fielding super bowl ticket calls are hard, I wonder if they’ve ever considered the “family” that comes out of the woodwork when they sign a big deal.

      If I ever win the lotto, I’ll probably go dark and slowly reconnect with people I cared about before.

      • willbest

        Its not just family, and its not just big money. If you win a $250k pot that will be enough to trigger getting letters from complete strangers telling you about their plight and asking for help.

  • Blackhawks63

    Hard for me to rip a Detroit team that has beaten the Bears like a drum for two straight seasons. There is good talent on that team on both sides of the ball. They aren’t that far away from being playoff material.

    • CanadaBear

      The last time the Beloved beat the Loins is the last game of 2012. The Bears have lost 6 in a row to them.

      • willbest

        No shit? damn, I would have thought we would have beat them at least once in the 2013 8-8 season where we were vying for the playoffs.

  • BerwynBomber

    I suspect DET will play better next year. They not only lost Suh but also Fairley and Levy (the latter to injury). Those were the three best D players on their previous year’s squad — quick, imagine if one year we went from Lach/Briggs/Tillman to having none of them. Plus, their O-line was one of the worst in the league at the beginning of the year.

    The Megatron question is a big one and Stafford is Cutty Jr., but I would be surprised if they start 0-7 again. They should be capable of an 8-8 year, if not 9-7.

    • willbest

      If megatron retires I think they will be in worse shape than us. As many holes to fill, 25 million less cap to do it with.

      • Sactowns#1

        Please pull the trigger Calvin.

      • Don’t know what Stafford’s stats without Mega are but if I recall they’re rather horrible.

  • MB30SD

    not sure why, but this made me crack the fuck up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLO1CPYv0hc

    • SC Dave

      Because it’s funny.

  • Trac

    Been watching a reality show called “under arrest” covering Canadian police offices making arrests on their beat. Those dudes wouldn’t last 5 minutes on a beat in Chicago or NY.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Yikes, is it really that bad?

      • Trac

        They practically beg their collars to co-operate.

        • The GP

          In Canada politeness matters

          • Trac

            One guy got a chuck of flesh bitten out of his leg while politely telling a drunk to be still. Hahaha

          • burntorangenavyblue

            It’s strange and intriguing at how different of a culture Canada is sometimes compared to the US.

          • CanadaBear

            They will still arrest you if you’re an idiot. I’ve seen them do incredibly nice things and then be complete assholes so not that much different than the US. They definitely don’t have to deal with everyone being armed to the teeth but when they go out in the boonies (and there’s a lot of that) they run the risk of running into the anti-govt types.

  • Dum Ideas Sometimes Ain’t Dumb

    The Pro Bowl should be required for all players EXCEPT the players chosen.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Clete “Flat Flip” Blakeman will referee SB50.

  • The GP

    Looks like it’s the end of Johnny Football. Hello Texans!

    • AlbertInTucson

      You don’t think Jerra will try for him?

      • The GP

        I think you may be right and they also come calling.

        • Trac

          Jerra might just be the one that can fix him. hee hee

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Haha, at first glance, I thought that you were talking about Vince Young. He’s in the pressers too

  • AlbertInTucson

    Note to Cam Newton: The whole concept of “Black Quarterback” is ancient history.

    Playing THAT card is incredibly weak.

    A lot of folks dislike Tom Brady, too.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Where’s the story/article bringing that up? I’d read it if you got it

    • The GP

      Then Rivera played the card too saying nobody wants to see a Hispanic coach win.

      Super Bowl 50: the racism bowl

      A broken down Larry Bird against Jordan in his prime and all dem white folk goin with Bird.

      Do the right thing

      • Trac

        Chico’s hispanic? Doesn’t your name have to be Jesus in order to be considered an authentic hispanic dude. Is that racist of me? I’m so lost living in Texas because one can never tell what is truly a racist comment or not because we’re all so kind here.

        • The GP

          I heard that about Texas. It’s all “Love thy neighbor” and shit.

          In fact the last time I was in Dallas and hopped on public transit, the bus driver was talking about how we should send some of our nuclear weapons over to Mexico. I think, however, he may have wanted them express delivered.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Unfortunately, most of the vermin live right by the border. Don’t think Texas would like any of the fallout effect being so near. As well as including radiated vermin.

          • Trac

            Yeah, we take care of each other in Texas.

        • Irish Sweetness

          “The U.S. Census Bureau defines the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to “a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race” and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity.”

      • AlbertInTucson

        Hadn’t heard that Rivera went Lame, too. Never heard Tom Flores gripe about it.

    • I don’t think it’s ancient history.
      If you read the comments around the webs, MANY still smirk that “running QBs” are impostor.

      There’s other “code” words for af-am too, but some just flat out say it, many still believe black QBs have relied on their athleticism their careers, so by the time they get to the NFL, they’re behind the 8ball when it comes to the mental part, reads, progressions, protections, etc.

      Some af am QBs became cognizant of this and REFUSED to run even when they could because they felt like college HCs didn’t care about their NFL development, and to a certain extent, they were right.

      College HCs DON’T care about the developing NFL ready players, black or white.

      • willbest

        College HC can’t be bothered with developing players for the NFL because they get paid to win now, and if they don’t win now, they lose their job.

        • Exactly.
          They use everyone like material.
          And if that means using af-am QBs doing one read-options, so be it, but that def handicaps those QBs coming into the NFL, and it just so happens that many are Af-Am.

          Some few exceptions are Mariotta and Tannenhill.

          However, some fans still believe that many af am QBs can’t handle the NFL for various reasons, whether it’s cuz they don’t have a support structure (coming from hardship), or have “posses”, or simply aren’t smart enough (ah good ole racism). I come across these comments frequently (by anonymous trolls, naturally).

          When this year’s QB crop is discussed, they’ll pop up again.

          I remember Nawrocki (who used to do Hubs draft special every year, and then did the NFL page) got a lot of shit for thinking Cam was “fake”, or whatever.

          Many slung those accusations at him, though I didn’t really believe he was being racist. But, it’s def still a sensitive subj for the reasons aforementioned.

          • Trac

            I don’t mean to be negative Butch but don’t you mean AM FM? What the heck is a af am?

          • willbest

            African-american

          • Trac

            You can be both?

          • willbest

            I personally don’t like the term because for example Charlize Theron is an African American. But that is not the intent of the word.

            Also, in the last 10-15 years we have allowed a million or so Africans to migrate to the US. Many of these are from upper and middle class families back in Africa and they are using the affirmative action benefits that are supposed to go to right the wrongs of slavery/jim crow. Seems to me some sick shit when the progeny of those that sold American blacks’ ancestors into slavery are benefiting at the expense of the progeny that their ancestors enslaved.

            But hey, whatever makes us feel good.

          • The GP

            And yet the black liberals at the The Guardian say there will be no peace in the United States until the government pays reparations to blacks for slavery. They almost have Britain over the barrel

            http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/30/david-cameron-slavery-caribbean

            I say: no peace, eh? Fine. We have plenty of land to build more prisons.

          • You can’t be “white” either, but many refer to themselves as that instead of wop, spic, micks or anglos

          • That’s what they refer to themselves as, whether logical or not. Some still don’t mind “black”.

            Native american, native indian, etc is still up in the air, me thinks.

          • That Guy

            Canadians call them “First Nations,” which makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Wow, what’s wrong with ‘Native American’? That’s what they are, everyone else is an immigrant, no matter how long they’ve been there.

          • willbest

            Nope. Its right there in the name Colonial America. American Colonies. Colonists. My ancestors did not come to this world and attempt join and assimilate into the preexisting culture/political structure. They put up some wooden shacks up and said “This is how shit is going to be done with a few miles of this place”.

            You want to call them invaders. Fine. But they were in no way, shape, or form immigrants. Now the people coming later that said “You know, we like what you going on here, we going to live in your area and follow your rules” Those are immigrants.

            And by the by, even the native immigrants weren’t here the whole time. They came over in 3-4 mass migrations at different periods of time.

      • AlbertInTucson

        For me, it’s ancient history.

        • For me too, but I’m not the general public.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Idiots will always be with us but I would like to give the “General Public” a little more credit.

            It’s your actions pissing most people off, Cam, not your race.

            Charles Barkley thinks you are terrific but also said this morning (Dan Patrick Show) that if he were an opponent, he’d want to kick your ass because of your celebrations.

            Actually, I’ve tempered my initial dislike for him because I think handing the TD footballs to little kids is a terrific idea.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Giving football to children does not help with being an asshole to adults as well as opposing teams’ players and their fan base. It’s cool that he does that for kids, but sadly, this is imprinting his style of branding onto children to do exactly what he’s doing.

          • AlbertInTucson

            AND his opponents, most of whom and also black, want to rack him up.

            He’s rare talent and his play as a pocket passer has really improved but he is begging for trouble.

            See my Daunte Culpepper comparison on this thread.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’d even take issue with that… tossing a ball ‘towards’ children and have them scrap over it …. rather than finding where the disabled section is …..

          • Irish Sweetness

            That was the coolest thing about Walter. No celebrations. You don’t see a guy pressing out steel in a factory and then doing a moon walk. You don’t see a fireman putting out a fire and then ‘swinging the baby’. Bus drivers busting a move after they turn a corner. Do your fucking job.

    • willbest

      I was about to write something similar but I will piggy back off you.

      Media has its narrative for everybody. Even assuming Johnny Manzel had straightened up and made something of himself, his college past would have continued to define him. Cutler hasn’t been that guy in the NFCC in years, yet they keep pushing that narrative.

      Winning hides your sins, but it is a what have you done for me lately thing. Rodgers turns in a bad season (by his standards) and even the national media starts to criticize his bitchy attitude, which has been there the whole time.

    • BearDown100393

      “I’m an African-American quarterback that may scare a lot of people
      because they haven’t seen nothing that they can compare me to,” Newton
      said.

      I’m not Cam Newton. I’m not a NFL quarterback. And I’m not black.

      The key words are “may” and “a lot”. He didn’t say “definitely followed by “everyone”.

      I am not suggesting Cam Newton is right. But I cannot presume he is wrong. And in the context of his comment, I personally will not criticize his opinion.

      Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/nfl-blog/article56857428.html#storylink=cpy

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Using “A lot of people” is still stupid. What exactly are they to be scared of and who? Why is race even an issue? Nothing happened in context of him and the Panthers succeeded this season is because of a result of having to overcome racism. Cam is taking advantage of this platform. This would never come up if he wasn’t going to the Super Bowl. I think Daddy-O is chirping into his ears.

        • Trac

          Is it ok to not know what racism is until someone explains what it is? Up until reading that, I couldn’t give a rats ass what color the qb is in the SB. Now I hope he turns white.

      • willbest

        When this happens in an American stadium, where the World Cup or Olympics aren’t being played, I will allow Cam to have his point.

        http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/05/01/308408903/european-soccer-tackles-racism-but-slips-on-a-banana-peel

      • BerwynBomber

        The “scare” thing is what is wrong with his comment. Newton, I don’t think, scares his detractors. They just don’t care for his “look at me!” antics.

        Personally, I don’t have much issue with the scripted celebrations but I think it is more that than fear of a big, black QB.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He’s got to do what Doug Williams did first ….28 years ago. Is he serious? Moon, Culpepper, Cunningham, Williams, McNair, McNabb, Vick, Wilson … GTFO Cam,

  • The GP

    Greg Olsen or Jeremy Shockey

    Which Thor wannabe was better?

    • Shockey was a big whinye baby made out of china.

      Olsen simply falls when the wind tips him over, but other than that, he’s better.

      • The GP

        agreed

      • Trac

        Shockey won 2 SB’s so there is that.

        • haha. Wasn’t he on the bench (hurt like always) for the first, and riding pine for the 2nd?
          McMahon got one for GB (GP blacks that out with Tradewind)

          • Trac

            I do remember him carry a lot of players on his back for first downs though. He was a loud mouth but he was tough.

          • The GP

            I taped a picture of Forrest Gregg to the cushion on my chair so I can fart on it.

          • AlbertInTucson

            What a complete TURD of head coach.

          • BerwynBomber

            For one of them he started for NO and caught a crucial TD pass. In fact, I think it proved the winning TD.

      • MB30SD

        I saw a highlight from the game last weekend. Olsen caught a bomb and was basically on his way to the endzone, the one guy that blew the coverage but was still in the vicinity fell near him, MAYBE on part of his foot… and 88 instantly he went down.

        I just laughed. Classic olsen, great route to get open, great catch, total fucking gushing vagina the second the ball’s in his hands. Smh

        Dude’s a good WR, you can’t call that a TE. He’s 6’3″ 245 and runs a 4.5… and falls down when dude’s touch his foot.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Likewise. Any contact and he was literally making his 0.7 yards.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        “TIMBER-R-R-R!”

  • willbest

    So Bob Quinn was the Pats scouting director. If we are really lucky he is to blame for the o-line disaster that befell the patriots, and that the lions hiring him saved Belichick from having to fire him.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      It’s sad because of the whole glaring spotlight on the “O-line failure” that normally is a really good, solid unit for the Pats and Tom Brady.

      How about for once, Denver’s D wanted it more and had a chip on their shoulders? Buuut, it’s the narrative that drives the click, and Tom Brady fell on his ass. The whole world needs to stop what they’re doing and have a pity party about “What went WRONG FOR BRADY?”, instead of “What did Denver do to have a GREAT game?”

      • willbest

        You are right. Denver’s D played phenomenally. And despite that. It almost wasn’t enough. And its that last sentence that is driving the narrative. See if Denver’s offense wasn’t so limp and they had the 3 score lead the Panthers came off with, we wouldn’t be talking about the o-line.

  • The GP

    Despite the wide roster of institutions that have admitted wrongdoing, only a handful of individuals–primarily midlevel traders and brokers–have been criminally charged. No senior managers or executives have faced prosecution.

    http://www.nasdaq.com/article/six-exbrokers-acquitted-of-libor-rigging-in-london–5th-update-20160127-01317

    Insane.

    Rigging Libor is an almost unimaginable scale of deceit. The amount of money that can be skimmed by getting to declare the rate is a license to steal BILLIONS of dollars. The rate controls $500 TRILLION dollars in assets. MIT professor Andrew Lo said the scandal dwarfs, by a magnitude of 100, any scam that has EVER been run, by anyone, ever.

    It’s hard to explain to the lay person how open a door it is, when you control both interest rates, AND the interest on interest-rate swaps. The people that were stolen from are municipalities all over the world. Basically, a set of bankers at Barclays, UBS, Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and the Royal Bank of Scotland all got together and decided they would skim BILLIONS off the top of all city debt. And they did.

    And none of the guys who conceived it and got paid out on it took the fall. Only junior guys went to jail.

    It should start a world war. It should .

    • willbest

      Yeah 2008 converted me from libertarian leaning conservative, to a populist sympathizer. I seriously doubt if somebody offed one of these C-executives and I was sitting on the jury that I would convict.

      • That Guy

        It is possible to be libertarian leaning and still think that banks need to be regulated. I went to law school with a guy who is now a libertarian talking head; back in school he told me he thought contract law (basically avoiding fraud) was basically the only thing governments should be regulating.

        • willbest

          See I tend to think that a completely unregulated banking industry would fair a lot better than what we have now. Mainly because there would be jack all to save the bankers from a lynching if they did what they did. Which would have dissuaded their maliciousness, but doesn’t altogether save you from incompetence. I haven’t studied the issue enough to know what I would choose as a system if I were supreme overlord of the day. And wouldn’t even make my top 10 concerns if you handed me the constitution and a pen and told me write down Bill of Rights 2.0

          • burntorangenavyblue

            I think it’s ridiculous at how COMPLICATED everything is now to the point where not even the smartest average joes can rile up enough force to circumnavigate the powers that be to make some real changes in a good, peaceful way.

          • Scharfinator

            It’s the best way to keep control. It is sad.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It is basically all unregulated. Reagan opened the final floodgate. And we’ve bred such dumbed down sheep that nobody knows there’s anyone to be lynched. The private bondholders roll their dice, and when they lose, they make sure their cronies in power make the taxpayer foot the bill. There should be blood on the streets, and not the blood of taxpayers, but from the headless corpses of those in power.

          • BillW

            Yes – we went down this road in another thread. Deregulation doesn’t work if the government buys into the “too big to fail” concept. Without significant downside risk, deregulation fails. We also discussed that jail time probably wouldn’t solve it all because the real powers would likely structure things such that some underling would take the fall.

            I’m reading a book on the aftermath of the Russian revolution. It’s a very dry read, but interesting on how quickly their idea of a currency-free economy blew up. There was a quote from Milton Friedman (obviously made many years later) that said in essence the more profound the economic theory, the more unrealistic are its basic assumptions.

          • willbest

            No its not. Its regulated in a political manner. The government requires the banks to do things that are economically unsound that are politically motivated, and in return it lends its legitimacy to them and the assurance that they won’t be holding the bag for the economic mess.

            Of course, with the cover of government the bankers natural greed comes out and you end up with LIBOR fixing and a whole host of other horrible things. But they are protected from us because of government. And they are protected from government because of how much kickback/bribe money they give the people that are supposed to be regulating it.

            If it were completely unregulated, they wouldn’t get away with the wild wild west bullshit, because enough people wouldn’t understand it well enough to trust it and if it did fail, there would be zero political cover for the people that created the mess.

            Now I am not advocating for a completely deregulated state because quite frankly most people (even people with lots of money) are too stupid to manage it effectively and are prone to being swindled. But taking away any and all political cover would be a massive improvement to what we have now.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Currency should absolutely be regulated. Banks should be shop fronts for gold/silver backed transactions and nothing more.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Not NEARLY enough bankers and stock brokers went to jail after 2008.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        There would probably be more in jail than the minor drug offenders. That surely would have proved the jails and prisons to be “over-crowded” to be an underwhelming statement!

    • Irish Sweetness

      All of their heads on spikes … right beside the heads of anyone who mentions capitalism / the right of business to yada yada yada. We were warned hundreds of years ago not to allow currency to be controlled by banks, and this is what we get.

      I don’t know about a war, but a revolution? Yes.

  • The GP

    Jay passed over for Bridgewater.

    http://chi.247sports.com/Bolt/Jay-Cutler-does-not-get-chosen-for-the-Pro-Bowl-as-alternate–43197266

    Yes, that’s right. Teddy Bridgewater was more deserving of Hawaii than Jay

    • burntorangenavyblue

      He’s better off enjoying time with his family than being in that shit-show right now, seriously.

      • The GP

        God knows Emery was too fucking stupid to build a Pro Bowl clause into Jay’s contract.

        Phil was standing breathless on the clean edge of idiocy and said “tag? wee don’t neeed no stinkin tags. here, take all the money!”

        • yeah, let’s ignore the fact that Cutler’s contract is actually decidedly more team-friendly than those of his statistical peers, such as Joe Flacco, Matthew Stafford, and Eli Manning.

          Those guys all have escalating cap hits that basically mean the team is their bitch for the next several years. Cutler, meanwhile, is priced at market value and has dead money done after only 3 years. Team can do whatever the hell they want with him.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Shh, you make too much sense!

          • BerwynBomber

            Guaranteed money is guaranteed money. Cutler’s was frontloaded. Otherwise, it’s a pay me now/pay me later debate.

          • Which is a huge distinction. Cutler had his guaranteed $$, which was similar to those guys.

            But those guys all had the guaranteed $$ backloaded, which means teams get left with no choice but to re-do the contract over paying a $30M cap hit. Re-doing the contract means that money ends up getting switched to guaranteed.

            So a guy like Flacco had ~$60M initially guaranteed, but in reality over $100M of that is guaranteed to go to him based on contract structure the day he signed the contract. And then you run into long-term problems where you have no choice but to extend him and move money to the future at some point, and then moving on from him when that time comes becomes VERY difficult financially.

            Like what we’re seeing in DAL and NO right now. They keep pushing Romo/Brees money one year farther, and sooner or later they’re going to have to pay the piper and pay one of those guys $20M to not play for them.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Thank you, Professor.

        • AlbertInTucson

          +100 for an Alphonso Bedoya/Treasure of Sierra Madre reference!

    • That Guy

      Well, I mean come on: Teddy smiles at his teammates, and he doesn’t create a toxic locker room, and he… brushes his teeth like two times a day at least. I mean, Jay throws the ball better and was way fewer interceptions, but, you know, he’s a meanie.

      Plus, Teddy had more wins this season. Everyone knows the best way to rank quarterbacks is by wins.

      • SC Dave

        No, its Super Bowl rings.

        • MB30SD

          Eli. Manning.

          • Scharfinator

            Would you rather have Eli or Jay?

            Keep in mind, Eli pops a raging football boner every time he sniffs the playoffs.

          • BerwynBomber

            It is also about the mere fact of getting to the playoffs. That, along with TO ratio, is the big career knock on Cutty: he has only led his teams to the playoffs once. Or as many times as Tim Tebow or Brian Hoyer.

      • BerwynBomber

        Wins actually aren’t a bad way. And in fact that is ultimately how the best ones are ranked; i.e., there is a reason why Brady and Montana are considered the best QBs in the post-merger era.

        P.S. In terms of QB efficiency, Bridgewater may have had the better year than Cutty.

    • BearDown100393

      Jay really doesn’t care about the Pro Bowl.
      And he shouldn’t.

      • MB30SD

        DOOOOOOOOOONNNNNN’TTTTT CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Needs to be home with the kids, it’s cool.

  • Doc Nitty

    Two nights ago Jezebel and I got into a fight. After said fight I went to my room and listened to about two hours of Metallica at max tolerable volume. The good stuff; Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. My ten year old is housed in the room right next to me. At one point I stepped out into the hall and there he was, just rocking out playing air guitar with all his might. When he saw me he says with eyes wide grinning from ear to ear, “DAD! I’ve never heard anything like this? Who are these guys?” You could tell it was a revelation for him. Made me proud.

    My heavy metal revelation was the first time I heard Twisted Sister….”I wanna rock, nono nono no!!”

    • AlbertInTucson

      Jezebel? LOL.

      • willbest

        Jezebel is an evil princess that incited her husband to idolatry and caused a man to be put to death because he wouldn’t do what she wanted. She was not well regarded.

        I am assuming the feminist website is aware of this which is why they chose that name. Which has to leave one a bit curious as to their intent.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I immediately thought Bette Davis’ JEZEBEL (1939).

          • willbest

            I had to look that movie up. Now I am even more confused why they would have chosen the name for their website. Because Bette Davis’ character is the feminist that realizes how Fing stupid she was being a feminist.

        • MB30SD

          yeah doc, I think you should rename yours the Succubus… much more appropriate.

          • Doc Nitty

            Jezebel it is then.

        • Doc Nitty

          Jezebel has a more modern interpretation as that of a whore. Despite the feminist spin. Either way you slice it, Jezebel was an evil misguided biatch.

          • Irish Sweetness

            yup, means ‘slag’ where I’m from ….

        • The GP

          X-ray X-ray cray cray

    • Cormonster

      The boy’s got good taste in music. My revelation was 3 albums. Black Sabbath Black Sabbath, Ozzy Blizzard of Ozz and AC/DC Dirty Deeds. My older cousin was a huge influence on me. He got me into Twisted Sister when their first album Under the Blade came out. He also got me into Floyd at an early age.

      • Doc Nitty

        Tonight he seemed pretty intrigued by the GnR I was playing.

        “I used to love her…..”

        • The GP

          Follow that up with “knockin on Heaven’s door….”

      • The GP

        Blizzard of Ozz
        Ha

        Crazy train!

    • Irish Sweetness

      (I’ll pretend I didn’t see the Twisted Sister comment Doc)

      But that’s cool, I think I’d cry. Sit down with him and watch the ‘One’ video and he’s hooked for life(also a nice link to Dalton Trumbo). Fatten him up with AJFA, the Black album and Load. Point out that you’ll flail him AP-style if he ever listens to post mortem efforts like Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit etc. Drip feed some early Maiden, up as far as Seventh Son …he should be good.

      The clouds parted for me when I saw Lemmy and the lads on TV aged 8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co9yv2NjyWs

      Whole Lotta Rosie – AC/DC, Run to the Hills – Iron Maiden, grow hair long, end of.

      • Doc Nitty

        I’m not saying Twisted Sister stood the test of time. But it opened the door for a whole other kind of music. And no, I’ll only be showing him Metallica pre Black album. Everything from the Black Album on was a Load of shit.

        See how I did that?

        • Cormonster

          I wholeheartedly agree.

    • CanadaBear

      Sorry to hear about the fight but it’s great that your son is finding great music. Even if he never gets into the stuff you like at least he seems to know music that will stand the test of time. That’s a hell of a start.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Did I miss the boat?

    Was I supposed to hate Daunte Culpepper because of his race when he was tearing it up for the Vikings?

    How soon they forget.

    Culpepper was Cam Newton before there was Cam Newton.

    Culpepper was 6-4 and 264.

    One season he threw for 33 TDs and ran for another 7.

    Then he got hurt and was never the same.

    Cam should take note, even at 6-5 and 245.

    • willbest

      Black QB is old hate. Me… Personally… What the FUCK is going on with Korean ladies golfers.

      • MB30SD

        my bro’s ex is korean. her parents live for that shit maings. no idea why, but whatever. The women are the worst. hardcore ball crushers behind closed doors, part of the culture (right jokey?). No thanks.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          I’m not an expert on asian cultures, but it seems to me that many parents with children RAMP up exponentially the pressure and push their kids into a few niches of what they can really excel at in hopes of hitting it big. E-games/sports, golf, ping-pong, anything math or health education/careers…

          • Irish Sweetness

            S-Korea is very Americanised, so it’s K-Pop or golf lessons for the rich kids.

          • MB30SD

            Samsung is my favorite company on earth… well,maybe a close second to match.com. haha

        • The GP

          No way way. They love you short time

        • Jokey

          Lol, the Tiger Mom/Wife you mean? My mom fits that mold. My wife? She’s white.

          • MB30SD

            Yeah, all her cousins and aunts and family friends are super nice out in public, then you hear all the horror stories of their poor hen pecked husbands and you’re like, daaaaaaaammmn. Those women are roofless, they do not fuck around

      • AlbertInTucson

        I have to confess complete ignorance there. Please illuminate me.

        • willbest

          I don’t really follow the sport, but I recall a while back of some Korean sensation busted on the scene, and then the damn broke and now something like 20 of the top 50 female golfers in the world are Korean and another 10 are some form of East Asian. Meanwhile there are only like 4-5 Asians in the top 50 for men’s golf.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Michelle Wie’s heritage is Korean but she was born in Hawaii.

            She is also not hard on the eyes.

  • BearDown100393

    According to Mongo: ’85 Bears + Cam Newton = 4 Super Bowls

    • AlbertInTucson

      Can’t disagree.

      Major reason the Bears those Bears couldn’t get back was ’85 was about the healthiest McMahon ever stayed as a Bear. They Probably go in ’84 if he doesn’t lacerate a kidney.

      I remember him screwing up his shoulder to begin the ’86 season (trying to recover a loose ball against the Browns at Soldier Field, I believe) and, as far as I’m concerned, he was never right again.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Bear QBs who were black:

    Vince Evans.

    Kordell Stewart.

    Henry Burris.

    That’s it?

    That’s the list?

    Evans and Stewart came to mind but I had to look up the list of Bear QBs to recall Burris.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Found another one.

      Willie Thrower was 3 of 8 for 27 yards and 1 INT in his 1 (and only) game for the Bears in 1953.

      Some refer to him as the first black pro QB.

      • BillW

        Sounds like a punchline: Will he throw her?

    • Irish Sweetness

      #NFLsoWhite ?

      Nope. So why all the Oscars bullshit?

    • BillW

      Can’t recall his name but there is one more – he was called captain checkdown. Originally a Raider? Didn’t last long with us.

      • BillW

        Jason Campbell

  • AlbertInTucson

    I remember it was considered a big deal when the Bills drafted James Harris out of Grambling to actually PLAY QB when it was routine for Pro Football to draft black college QBs and move them to another position.

  • MB30SD
    • The GP

      You’re the only one short enough to fit in it

      • MB30SD

        Asshole

  • MB30SD

    Hahahahaha… so I’m on tinder (actually bumble, but you get the idea) and I kicked it up to a 100 mile radius for fun.

    I just left-swiped Chelsea Handler. Hahaha homely, but funny biatch.

    • The GP

      She would rock your world

      • MB30SD

        Ewwww

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      MB, you wouldn’t be able to handle Chelsea Handler, before she was a comedian that joked about getting banged all the time she was just a girl that got banged all the time, got awesome at it and started writing about it. She’s a PRO and I bet you can’t hang. Prove me wrong.

      • MB30SD

        Nah, already swiped left… and not at all attracted to her. Yuck.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      isn’t bumble the gay one? nttawwt

      • MB30SD

        Of course. Tons of hot guys on there, you should check it out.

  • Irish Sweetness
  • Irish Sweetness

    Yo MB – they did a 7 up South Africa. There’s a 21 and a 28, 14 seems to be missing. It was good.

    • MB30SD

      Can’t see it in the states mate. See the world 7s are coming up next month… or is that what this was about?

  • Irish Sweetness
  • Viva

    If I had a choice between reading an article about the Detroit Lions or pissing a razor blade, I’d piss a razor blade.

    • The GP

      Hoo ahh!

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