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Across The Middle — Week 14

| December 7th, 2016

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The Bears have a 26-year-old quarterback who is playing well but it shouldn’t change any of their offseason plans.

I’ve been as impressed with Matt Barkley as anyone but if the Bears like a quarterback enough to take him in the top five — thus grading him as a franchise quarterback — they shouldn’t let Barkley change their plans.

After seeing Barkley continually complete passes deep down the field to the likes of Deonte Thompson, Cam Meredith and Josh Bellamy in a blizzard, I won’t rule anything out for these last four games. He could very well be the latest star quarterback who was just waiting for his shot. And if he is, he’ll keep his job. If he isn’t, the Bears should have another talented young quarterback waiting in the wings.

The Bears passed on Aaron Rodgers and didn’t try to sign Drew Brees as a free agent because they had Rex Grossman.  They passed on Russell Wilson and Derek Carr because they had Jay Cutler. You can bet the Chargers don’t regret taking Eli Manning — who was later traded for Phillip Rivers — instead of Sean Taylor, Kellen Winslow or Roy Williams solely because they had Drew Brees in 2004. There’s a reason the winningest franchise of this era keeps taking quarterbacks high, even though they have Tom Brady.

If Ryan Pace is on the clock this April with a quarterback who he has graded as a franchise quarterback, he simply has to take him. If Barkley ends up being a star, that’s just a bonus.

The Disconnect

Maybe I’m reading too much into some pretty basic comments but it seems there is a disconnect between the coaching staff and the front office.

I didn’t put much stock into the report that John Fox’s job was in jeopardy a few weeks ago. But when Fox says a third round pick didn’t play because of “ability” it makes me wonder if he hated the pick. Surely he could’ve just said it was for football reasons or used some other coachspeak he has mastered.

This isn’t the first time Fox has said something that has made my ears perk up. Earlier this season Fox was asked why “they” liked Barkley and he responded by saying it was the scouting department who liked him. After two games, which should’ve been two wins, neither Fox nor Dowell Loggains have been willing to say Barkley has been anything better than “solid.”

Maybe it’s nothing. But maybe there is a disconnect and Fox isn’t so safe after all.

Missing Gase

While feeding my son on Tuesday morning, Mike Florio and the stat guy he has on his show on were going through the worst teams in the league before one of them wondered if the reason for the Bears decline from last year was the loss of Adam Gase.

Gase has the Dolphins at 7-5 this season and they seem to be on the right track. While many are proclaiming him the next great coach, I just don’t buy the Bears are missing him.

Gase did some good things with the Bears, but the notion that he’s the missing link doesn’t quite add up. He deserves credit for the Dolphins’ success this year, but they’re 25th in yardage and 22nd in points. His forte is offense and the Dolphins aren’t winning because of their offense. Maybe the Bears would be better with him but if he’s struggling to score points with a mostly-healthy Dolphins offense, how would he do with this banged up Bears unit?

The Bears health is mostly the same as it was last year — a sign of a bigger issue — but Gase got exceptional play from Jay Cutler as they finished 21st in yardage and 23rd in points. Take Cutler out of the lineup last year and the Bears don’t score at all.

That’s what Loggains has been dealing with this year.

Charting The Bears

• Goldman and Hicks are a problem. Guys who weigh 330 pounds just shouldn’t be able to move the way they do. Neither was supposed to be able to get pressure on the quarterback, but they combined for five disruptions on Sunday.

• The fact that the Bears generated as much pass rush as they did is a great sign. Maybe the 49ers’ offensive line stinks, but they were playing in the snow with limited opportunities and still got pressure on 13 attempts, a crazy number considering the 49ers only managed to get 15 passes off.

• Considering the conditions, Barkley was insanely accurate. I had him down for four inaccurate passes, despite having to throw threw the snow with a wet ball. The ball didn’t have a lot of mustard on it but neither did Aaron Rodgers’ passes in Green Bay on Sunday.

Bring On The Lions

When the season began, I tossed my hands up and said I had no idea what to make of the Lions. I still don’t know. But…they just might be good.

Much has been made of Detroit’s offense with Jim Bob Cooter and Matthew Stafford, but their defense has been better. They’re 11th in scoring and 15th in yardage despite starting the season slowly. They haven’t allowed more than 20 points since mid-October.

Stafford has been pretty good too. He’s been inarguably the best quarterback in the NFC North since the start of last year, but the bone-headed mistakes still happen.

The Bears have a shot Sunday for many of the same reasons they beat Detroit last time. As long as they tackle well, they should be able to keep Detroit’s offense in check. The Lions don’t run the ball at all and rely mostly on short passes to work their way down the field.

The Bears didn’t just win that game, they dominated. The Lions managed just 263 yards, while the Bears topped 400 with Brian Hoyer at quarterback. This is the first big test for Matt Barkley. The Titans and 49ers defenses stink, but if Barkley has a good game against Detroit it will be impossible to deny the fact that he just might be good.

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  • SC Dave

    The first divisional test for Barkley. Let’s hope he plays well, the Bears are entertaining, and lose. You know, so that we can then beat Green Bay and put a serious damper on cheesy playoff aspirations.

    • MB30SD

      Oh well heerrrrooo you glorious bastard

    • Scharfinator

      I hope he throws for 5 touchdowns each of his remaining games and then BOOM HOF

      • SC Dave

        Bear QB and HOF? Wouldn’t THAT be something!

        • Scharfinator

          Yeah, it feels self contradictory including those in the same sentence.

          • Big Mike

            Cubs MLB Champions.. Those are some words I never thought I’d say

      • Huge Bears Penis

        he will throw them all to BRAVERMAN! BOOM OROY and HOF!

    • Irish Sweetness

      The first good team. I want to see this guy under fire.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    The Bears still have a few contracts to sign before they will be able to officially join the ranks of the undead but jess, it’s going to be turtles for a week if they beat the lions.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    I still say Detroit’s success is more about them being the least bad team in the NFCN than it is about them being good.

    • DaBearsBlog

      This is the question I open up with talking to Birkett. Liked his answer.

    • BerwynBomber

      Also has to do with Stafford stepping up his game post-Megatron.

      • MB30SD

        Dude… FUCK Stafford

    • MB30SD

      Agree!!

    • AlbertInTucson

      They have SQUEAKED by in several of their wins.

  • Max

    Mulligan stirring things up in the tribune this morning. Says rumors are Fangio and Fox aren’t working well together and Fangio might be out at end of the season.

    Hope that ain’t true. Defense really seems to be improving

    • Weed Superman (GP)

      Fuck Fox.

      • MB30SD

        Right in his half-asleep face

        • Huge Bears Penis

          his face is not half-asleep, he had a stroke, please be more sensitive.

          • MB30SD

            Fuck his stroke

          • Weed Superman (GP)

            Fuck it in the face. The FACE!

    • BearDown100393

      No big deal. Always stressful preparing a team for a playoff run.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I hope it is true.

      We’d be a ferocious defense if he turned them loose. Our players, not Fangio, are what’s important. He doesn’t get the principle of defense and that just doesn’t sit well with some fans. We didn’t get 6 sacks against SF because of Vic Fangio. He has been a beacon for those who regurgitate what they read, but seldom look to see what his defenses actually do. If they have been good against the run it’s because we had good players in there. We have not been good against the pass.

      • CanadaBear

        FFS Irish take the blinders off. The D is banged up and there is no talent in the back 4. The problem with the team is on O and ST’s not D.

        • MB30SD

          It’s Irish, he IS our backwards day guy.

          He is the yin to reality’s yang.

      • DaCoaches Mustache

        I see the D taking a huge mongous step back if we let Fangio walk. Big mistake.

    • MB30SD

      Dude, FIRE FOX TODAY!!!

      • willbest

        I would pay Fox $5 million a year to clean the equipment before I paid him $5 million a year to watch netflix.

        • MB30SD

          Let him clean equipment then!

    • That Guy

      How reliable has Mulligan been on this sort of thing?

  • BearDown100393

    Giants lose Pyro-Claw for the rest of the regular season – hernia.

    • Big Mike

      who?

      • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

        jpp

        • MB30SD

          Oh now you show up?!?! Here?!? For this?!!

          • willbest

            Barkley is the future!

          • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

            sorry. been spending a lot of time painting over swastikas here in ny. because apparently they’re back in vogue.

          • MB30SD

            lovely

          • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

            it’s his world. we’re just living in it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Op or hernia? A hernia ain’t shit.

      • CanadaBear

        Says the guy who doesn’t have one.

        • MB30SD

          A pyro-claw?

          • CanadaBear

            Hernia.

          • MB30SD

            I know, I was razzin. Thanks for fucking it up for me.

          • CanadaBear

            It’s what I do!

  • 505Bears

    Bears LBs/DL on the turf, should make them quicker than the “grass” at Soldier. Knowing this, expect alot of screens and draws. If I say that now and the Bears get gutted by those, then Fox/Fangio are freakin idiots.

  • Irish Sweetness

    “If Ryan Pace is on the clock this April with a quarterback who he has
    graded as a franchise quarterback, he simply has to take him.”

    A very dangerous assumption, and not at all true. He certainly does not have to take him.

    1. Why spend years developing a QB who may not adapt to the NFL? Even if he does adapt, why accept fallow years?

    2. Why spend the pick to do the above, when it can buy a LT for Shaw/ Barkley / Fales? Let us not forget that Jay Cutler is signed thru next season.

    3. Can we take the ‘Franchise’ out of things? You’re either a good, bad or middling QB. I don’t know wtf ‘franchise’ means anymore.

    4. Shaw / Fales / Barkley are already seasoned – I don’t like the idea of pushing a stack of chips on another development job. Throw Cutty into the mix and we have a choice of 4 QBs next season. I need the ‘neccessity to draft a QB’ thing explained to me in that scenario.

    If your QB roster was Hoyer, Hanie and Collins .. then yes, you’d probably draft the QB high. We don’t need to.

    • Weed Superman (GP)

      I also hate the word Franchise.

      • MB30SD

        I now hate the word… “Cutler”

    • BerwynBomber

      “I don’t like the idea of pushing a stack of chips on another development job”

      Another? When did we do it in the first place? That’s part of the Bears problem.

      • Irish Sweetness

        We could probably change that from ‘another’ to ‘a’ but the principle is weak – feeling one has to develop your own QB? Why? let someone else draft them and train them up, then poach the promising ones.

        • BerwynBomber

          Because that rarely happens if you truly want a top ten guy. Yes, NO got Brees back when and once upon a time the Cheese got a young Brett Favre. But those were exceptional cases.

          Predominately top ten/very good QBs are drafted and held onto by the team that drafts them. Poaching them off other teams is even harder than drafting one of the SOBs.

          • CanadaBear

            Not to mention if you hit on a QB in the draft you have a ton of money freed up for 4-5 years for other positions.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      Fales will not be on the team next year. I doubt he will be on any team next year. He is not good.

      • MB30SD

        He IS good…. At something other than football. We just don’t know what it is.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      Fales has never played, has a girl arm and is named Fales. He’s not going to be on the squad next year. Maybe as a camp arm, but that’s it. Shaw showed a little glimpse of competence in the preseason, and then his leg was broken in half. His best attribute is his mobility. He will not be in the mix next year either. Barkley has really intrigued me these past 2 games. If he does well the next few weeks, I expect him to be given an opportunity next year to win the starting gig vs a rookie. If he shits himself, I expect we’ll bring Cutler back and draft a guy. Unless we can trade Cutler for something of value then all bets are off.

      • CanadaBear

        I was sure the Bears would get nothing for Cutler before the labrum tear. There is no way any team is going to trade an asset for him. Everyone will just wait for the Beloved to cut him loose.

        • MB30SD

          J-E-T-S!!

        • willbest

          I am telling you, his contract is gold. 12.5 and 13.5 million with 2.5 million in active roster bonus. No guarantees. If the Bears cut him he is going to be getting a 2-year $35 million, $22 million guaranteed.

          Now teams aren’t going to go crazy, but Bears should be able to get a 4th or turn their 5th into a 3rd or something.

          • CanadaBear

            We’ve had this convo before and you didn’t like my reply. Guess what? No way!

    • willbest

      Irish your infatuation with Fales is staggering. You saw as well as everybody else how he regressed from his 2015 pre-season showing to 2016.

      • MB30SD

        Shocking right… No, not shocking…. Irish.

    • willbest

      Also, none of those QB’s are seasoned. Hoyer is seasoned. Barkley has played 2 NFL games, Shaw 1, and Fales none.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        That’s not what he’s saying. Build a team, a culture, then go out and find prince charming.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      I agree 100%. News flash to Jeff, “Franchise QB’s” aren’t going to be available when we draft and mortgaging our picks would be a huge meestake.

      • willbest

        2015 franchise QBs – #1

        • That Guy

          If we pick in the top 5, recent history suggests there is a 50/50 chance that a QB worth our pick will fall to us. The hard part is figuring out which one.

        • BerwynBomber

          I don’t know if I’d consider Cutty, Dalton or Smith “franchise” guys, but overall point taken.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

          A lot of that may be due to later rd picks never even getting an opportunity, while next year, whoever we draft should at least be in the mix and not automatically benched.

          Dak never sees the field if Romo didn’t fuck up his back.
          We all know the Brady story.
          Cousins was only tapped after RG3 crashed and burned (3 year process)
          Garrapolo (if he pans out) same, Brady suspension.

          It takes unusual circumstances for later rd QBs to even get a shot.

          Normally, teams prefer vets as their 2nd, which leaves the later rd QBs with almost no reps or chance, esp with the current CBA further limiting practice time.

          • willbest

            Yes and Tony Romo was a UFA. As I said yesterday NFL teams are shockingly risk adverse, especially in losing seasons. Hoyer is how one loses with dignity. Barkley, or Fales is how one sees if there is a diamond in the rough. But then humilating losses are bad for morale (and more importantly TV ratings).

            ed. But you are right, there are probably a number of QB’s that could have been contenders but never got the opportunity.

      • DaBearsBlog

        Didn’t write it

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Je vous demande pardon.

  • BerwynBomber

    “Stafford has been pretty good too. He’s been inarguably the best quarterback in the NFC North since the start of last year, but the bone-headed mistakes still happen.”

    Technically, it was best since middle of last year, but even that has changed as Rodgers has had a solid year and looked like the Rodgers of old the last four weeks or so. (On the whole he has been a tad better than Stafford this year.) But the Cheese’s D has had games where it looked a Mel Tucker D, circa 2014. Hence, their struggle just to reach .500.

    P.S. Heckva year of Stafford, though, and it will be interesting to see the Lions this coming weekend. Quite the turn around from the first of the year. Same for MIN but opposite direction. DET seems to have two excellent coordinators.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    he is a Future HOFer for fucking things up.

    • CanadaBear

      Future my ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Huge Bears Penis

        You got inducted and did not invite me to the Ceremony?? I’m hurt.

  • Weed Superman (GP)
    • Huge Bears Penis

      Rams fans hate Jeff Fisher.

      • Weed Superman (GP)

        The articles are funny.

        Fisher is the poster child for being bad at your job and getting promoted.

        He’s like Homer in the Frank Grimes episode.

    • BearDown100393

      When it is all said and done for Fischer as a head coach, Kroenke will kick him upstairs for the opportunity of overtaking Matt Millen as the worst executive.

      • MB30SD

        eeeaaaasy now

        • BearDown100393

          Smart money would invest in a brown bag production plant across the street from the new stadium.

    • BerwynBomber

      Sounds like Fisher is a made guy with the league office, which might explain his somewhat baffling tenure with the Rams. Also, the Rams VP of football’s father is Fisher’s agent.

  • Sactowns#1

    Ok fellas- it’s win and I’m in for my FF league playoffs. Only thing I’m unsure about, Defense. My top 3 options
    Raiders- KC in the cold will prob be a low scoring affair and Raiders get quite a few sacks and turnovers
    Bears- Defense has been coming alive and lots of opportunities for picks on Sunday
    Jets- after a crushing defeat they are playing the stinky Niners. could really blow it up

  • That Guy

    I agree 100% that if a franchise QB falls to you, you take him. That’s why, for example, that Packers took Aaron Rodgers at #24 when they still have Favre. But what the Packers didn’t do was trade up for Rodgers.

    If Barkley is terrible and we identify exactly one franchise QB in the draft, what are we willing to put up to go get him? The Redskins put up a king’s ranson for RGIII and regret it, but that’s mostly because he wasn’t a successful pick. The Eagles did the same thing for Wentz and they don’t seem so upset right now (nor did the Skins when Griffin had a solid rookie year).

    So if we don’t have anyone good, I would be in favor of giving multiple high picks to get the right QB. But if Barkley is a starting quality QB, the decision gets a lot harder.

    Would it still have been a good decision for the Packers to take Rodgers if they had to trade the following year’s first round pick as well? Does the presence of Favre change that calculation?

    • willbest

      RG3 had a better rookie season than Wentz. And remember the Skins also drafted Cousins in that draft, who has had a much longer career.

      • That Guy

        Agreed on both counts. But the Eagles aren’t upset that they got Wentz. Barkley could be our Cousins, we’ll see.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

      I still contend that if Fox is still HC, then giving up a king’s ransom for a “franchise” QB is wrong.
      If Fox crashes and burns (again) then the next HC will be handicapped by less draft picks AND a QB he may not be enamored with.

      It was one thing when Gase/Fox were mulling over Mariotta in their first year. It’s quite another when a possible lame duck Fox wants to go all in.

      I have a feeling Fox won’t. I agree with Jahns who observed that Fox loves Hoyer – a steady efficient type who can gobble up TOP with minimal sacks or TOs while resting our D.

      Whatever we get from Barkley will be bonus, and if he really starts clicking, then I expect a full QB battle in training camp next offseason (when was the last time the Bears had one of those, if ever?)

      Shaw and perhaps a mid-rder will round it out, with the loser going on PS (most likely Shaw if the QB is at least a 4rth)

      That’s my take, at least.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, Barkley ain’t Favre, so his presence shouldn’t much affect Pace’s decision.

      My guess is it will come down to whether he’s crazy about any of them. If not, could be a Hoyer/Barkley/Shaw camp, with Pace biding his time for the ’18 draft.

      • willbest

        If our camp is just Barkley, Shaw, and Hoyer I am going to throw my shoe.

        • BerwynBomber

          Arguably might not be a drop off from this past summer’s camp of QBs. But I agree, it’s a bit of a white flag.

          • willbest

            Oh stop… I know you hate Cutler now, but he had just come off a top 10 QBR season with Gase, and it was (in theory) supposed to be a smooth transition.

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t “hate” Cutler, and good lord, you get emotional about him, but he’s a career average starter. This is WHY I told you NOT to pat yourself on the back after last year about his contract. I warned you, let it play out before you start giving yourself awards.

            The Gase year was closer to an aberration than the norm for Cutler. He’s always been very up and down.

          • willbest

            The only thing I said about his contract, and that I maintain about his contract was that it wasn’t a bad deal for the Bears.

            The year he signed it the money looked high, but subsequent years demonstrated that under the new CBA with its cap increases top 10 QB’s make $21mil+ a year and the next tier is in the 17-19 mil range. So I will continue to crow about being right on that one. FFS Oz is making $17 million with 40ish guaranteed and in his 5 games as starter with a world beater defense never demonstrated half Cutler’s skill. And its not like Houston was the only one. Denver was going to give him $16 mil a year.

            Now hypothetically, lets suppose Cutler was owed no guaranteed money this year. The the original deal was for $39 mil guaranteed instead of $54 million. You are coming into 2016 with Cutler under contract with the option of cutting him. Are you really going to cut him after his 2015 performance? Unless you are trading him for Goff or Wentz you really going to go with one of those other FA options that were available Oz, Fitz, etc?

          • BerwynBomber

            Look, here’s the best way to judge any contract: would you go back in time and do it again?

            Why in God’s name would anyone go back and offer that contract again to Cutler?

          • willbest

            So you are saying the Trevethan, McPhee, Long, Royal signings were all fucking garbage?

          • BerwynBomber

            We will have to see when their time is up, although injuries played a huge role in those contracts whereas Cutler was overvalued even when healthy.

            But yeah I got no problem going back and saying yep I wouldn’t offer that contract again to (name the player) at the end of his deal to see if it was money well spent.

            After all, it’s how we judge draft picks — were they worth the selection? Same with conracts — were they worth the money (and time commitment)?

          • willbest

            No I absolutely know for a fact that I wouldn’t offer any of those people anywhere near the money/guarantees they got knowing what I know now.

            A healthy Cutler is worth 18 million a year. Its not even debatable when you see who is making 17-19 million a year now. That is market rate. You may not like paying that much for a middling QB1 but that is what you have to pay them in today’s NFL. Either that or find a rookie like Wentz who you only have to pay $7 million a year to or even better a Dak or Wilson who you only need to pay a million a year.

          • BerwynBomber

            So why would you offer Cutler that same deal if you could go back in time?

            What did you get out of it? One above average year with Gase?

            You judge contracts and draft picks the same way. In retrospect.

          • willbest

            I wouldn’t offer him the same deal if I could go back in time. But if I am going back in time to the 2014 off-season I am drafting Zack Martin or CJ Mosley and then trading back up to the end of the first and drafting Derick Carr. Along with picking Devante Freeman, and a couple other people.

            Which is why its silly to analyze the contract in retrospect. Just like I don’t think any of those other contracts are bad, Cutler’s wasn’t either. You try to judge them based on what you know at the time they are made. And yes I use the contracts signed after Cutler to validate the Cutler contract, but that is only because I am not sitting in the negotiations with Cliff and Bud listening to them talk about cap increases, advanced analytic comparables and all the other crap they have that us normal people don’t. I only know what gets put up on overthecap.

            Now its possible that Cutler set the market trend since he was arguably earliest of his tier to get that money, but rather than pull back like the market has done with outlandish RB contracts, it adopted the Cutler baseline. Which tells me there is probably some sort of % salary cap moneyball heuristic there.

          • BerwynBomber

            Oz’s and Fitz’s deals are now considered disasters. So those are your comparisons?

          • willbest

            And if Oz played like Alex Smith he would have been considered a good value, and if he upped his game with more experience and end up like Brees then he would have been a steal. And if Fitz had played like 2015 Fitz he would have been a steal too. You can’t predict the future, you can only make educated guesses about it.

            Its funny that you are siding with the billionaires on this one. Howard is playing like a $6 million a year back and he isn’t even going to see real money until he has 4 years of wear and tear. That is a long time for him to stay healthy if he wants $20 million in guarantees.

  • Doc Nitty

    mmmmmbearssssss

    • MB30SD

      mmmmbooobs

  • CanadaBear
  • AlbertInTucson

    “Statistics are for losers” and can be misleading but THESE surprised me:

    League Rankings to date.

    Offense: Lions 21st / Bears 16th.

    Defense: Lions 15th / Bears 7th.

    Passing: Lions 15th. / Bears 17th

    Rushing: Lions 29th / Bears 19th.

    Source: NFL.com

    http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2016/REG/LIONS

    • MB30SD

      alas….

      that said, FUCK the lions, and FUUUCK mathew stafford. right in his blotted face.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        his face is blotted because of a chemical accident when he was a kid. please be more sensitive

        • MB30SD

          HOF!!!

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      are these yardage? Because yardage sucks. Go by points. Or better yet DVOA from Football Outsiders.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Just rankings I stumbled across.

        As I always preface, “Statistics are for losers.”

        After a great start by Stafford, the Loins are winning of late because of their defense.

        They just held Drew Brees, who has still been lighting up scoreboards, WITHOUT a TD pass.

        IN New Orleans.

        Sunday will be a litmus test for Barkley.

        • SC Dave

          The offense overall

  • willbest

    Cubs trade Soler for closer Wade Davis. I suspect that means we won’t be seeing Chapman in Chicago next year.

    • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

      it cost us Soler but had to be done.

      • willbest

        With Kyle coming back, I don’t know how much room we actually have for him.

        • CanadaBear

          Not to mention, Maddon played Schwarbs in LF over Soler to start the season. Schwarbs being a converted catcher vs Soler always being an outfileder. And you know Maddon values D. Soler’s D got worse the longer he played for the Cubs.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Pretty foregone conclusion that he’s headed back to the Yankees.

      • willbest

        Those bastards got our best prospect for a 1 year rental and what did we get?!?! A world series… oh wait, nvm.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Talk about your “Statistics are for Losers”

    Sunday, Colin Kaepernick became the first QB in NFL history to record more sacks (5) than yards passing (4).

    • Weed Superman (GP)

      that is an insane stat

    • MB30SD

      wow. the word “Ignominious” comes to mind

      • Weed Superman (GP)

        “These violent delights have violent ends”

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

          I get that reference now since I just watched West World last night.

          Why didn’t u assholes inform me their was unabashed naked chicks on every show!?

          • willbest

            I thought that was just understood.

          • Weed Superman (GP)

            Mostly just Thandie Newton, whose titties look like coke bottles.

          • willbest

            Well they would have to be fake at this point, she is 44

          • Irish Sweetness

            44?

            She’s my density …..

          • MB30SD

            7… and kinda meh

          • Irish Sweetness

            When you’re 44 like me she’s an 8.5.

          • MB30SD

            I’m only a few weeks behind you mate

          • Sactowns#1

            Good show. It started to drag but the final episode made up for it. Looking forward to the next season, which will probably come out in 2121. lol

          • willbest

            I am missing the joke on that, did it take them 5 years to get the first season made?

          • Sactowns#1

            Every show HBO does they do for one season. They see if it hits and THEN they start the gears in motion for another season. Multiple shows have been delayed or died because people have already started working on something else, locations need to be secured etc etc.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            I read that West World is set in the same universe as Blade Runner

            and little known fact. Blade Runner is in the same universe as Aliens. Tyrell and Weyland were competitors. And Aliens is in the same universe as Predator.

            So, one of these days, there would be a massive crossover that will make all sci fi nerds die in orgasmic climax like that dude from INXS

          • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

            Star Wars and Marvel crossover is what’s what.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUrw7j0UA4

        • Irish Sweetness

          What a terrible ending. They screwed the pooch. The denouement came an episode too long. I was curious to see if they would turn the series into a brilliant piece of writing … and somewhat relieved to find they didn’t. The only thing that really worked was episode 9 … and Thandie Newton’s nipples.

    • willbest

      And he logged a passer rating of 39.6

      • AlbertInTucson

        And then couldn’t understand why he was benched.

  • Weed Superman (GP)

    I am convinced that Zoot from the Muppets was inspired by the Climax Blues Band sax player.

    http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Zoot

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRVSSwJYqh0

  • Weed Superman (GP)
    • SC Dave

      We can only hope/pray.

      CNN has been hopeless for 20 years, yet people still watch that partisan tripe.

      • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

        if only breitbart had a news network.

        • willbest

          I thought that was Donald Trump’s twitter feed.

        • SC Dave

          They have brilliant writers… like Milo*. His intellect is MILES beyond anything the left has to offer. Get past the trolling and => read the substance <=.

          Here is a start. Perhaps it might dispel the bias the MSM has relentlessly tried to stuff into your head? Honestly, based on your past behavior, I really doubt you that bias has affected you very much. So take this article for what it is – two guys' opinions of a movement the MSM insists upon stuffing them into.

          http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/

          * okay, you disagree? Show me one.

          • SC Dave

            And yes, it’s sort of long. Perhaps too long for current attention spans compromised by Ratilin additions.

          • Sactowns#1

            Alt right.. LOL. I like to call them “angry/ scared white people”. Which usually manifests in all sorts of lovely ways!!

      • MB30SD

        hee hee

    • willbest

      You have to admit, it was pretty impressive what he did. Never ran for office in his life. Used his Hollywood chops to completely play and befuddle the media. He was out spent 2-1, and still pulled it off by appealing to just enough people in just enough states.

      Still I think Nigel Farage probably deserves the credit for mainstreaming soft nationalism in the West.

      All that being said, I thought there was an internet vote for a portion of the choice. Its possible the Trump trolls came out for an encore.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

    Can we fire Fox and promote Fangio to HC still?

    What the heck is up with that Fangio being fired rumored?

    Lovie dumping Chico deja vu?

    Don’t call him Albino Lovie for nothing.

    • DaCoaches Mustache

      You really need to get Conte off your avatar. He has a Cutler level of “punch me face”

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        It’s a visceral reminder for those who still say, “Cutler could still be on the roster next season…”

        Then, the Condor swoops in for a pick 6, chirping ‘fuck Chicago’

        • Weed Superman (GP)

          fuck ’em in the face. The FACE!

        • willbest

          I am not visceraled

        • Sactowns#1

          I feel like I was partly to blame. Before that game I said “Remember, Conte is still in the league”. smh

        • Irish Sweetness

          If we could get a first for Cutty, and keep Shaw/Barkley (Fales?) … that’s probably the best thing that can happen. OT and DE with first round picks.

          • CanadaBear

            If Pace gets a first Cutler he should be named GM for life.

      • MB30SD

        more. I want to slap him for like… 24 hrs straight

        • SC Dave

          Career interceptions: Conte – 13, Porter – 13

          • willbest

            Conte has never been as bad as his rep in terms of his ability. He is brittle though.

          • SC Dave

            Games played:
            Conte: 82 (/6 = 13.66/season)

            Porter: 96 (/9 = 10.66/season)
            Cutler: 139 (/11 = 12.63 / season)

            So, less brittle than Cutler.

          • willbest

            Cutler was beating him up until this year. And I would place him in the brittle category now too. Second serious injury to his throwing hand makes it that much weaker.

            I never said Porter was, but he has been healthy for us as a value FA. Then again Porter has the benefit of being the most competent DB on a D lacking healthy talent, and Conte was the 3rd best DB on a team with healthy talent everywhere. That sort of messes with your perception of reality.

            Incidentally, I am worried about Long. The guy has 4 hearts and bleeds blue and orange but the injuries are starting to pile up.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ???

            You boys should try watching a game sober sometimes. Competent? Maybe. But once the WR goes long on him he’s toast. Porter needs the game played in front of him.

          • BerwynBomber

            The tackles # doesn’t reflect well on Conte. And btw, I semi-defended Conte while he was with us. But a safety should almost always have more tackles than a CB, and Porter is not even known to be all that hot in run support.

          • Johnnywad

            Look at his shiny turd over here…….never mind that shiny turd over there. This shiny turd is the shiniest of shiny turds.

          • MB30SD

            jes, one’s a corner and one’s a safety.

            They’re both dogshit… is that what you’re trying to prove?

            Job well done! Confirmed!

    • BerwynBomber

      Nah, keep Conte. It’s a hoot.

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  • Weed Superman (GP)

    Yo Big Al from Arizona:

    Here is the list of broads that Frank boned. Please rank them from best to worst. Thank youz.

    Gloria Vanderbilt
    Grace Kelly
    Lauren Bacall
    Judy Garland
    Marilyn
    Joan Crawford
    Natalie Wood
    Angie Dickenson
    Zsa Zsa Gabor
    Donna Reed
    Shirley McLaine
    Juliet Prowse
    Gina Lollobridida
    Lana Turner
    Hedy Lamarr
    Jill St. John
    Anita Ekberg
    Eva Bartok
    Lena Horne
    Ava Gardner
    Mia Farrow

    • willbest

      Do we know what years he boned them? Thats important with women.

      • Weed Superman (GP)

        Simply rate them in their “prime”, although Frank may not have boned them in that time.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I’m bettin’ the majority WERE in their prime.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Probably not Crawford, though.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Given Maclaine and Farrow are on the list then they must have been super young.

    • AlbertInTucson

      That is a Hall Of Fame Babe list.

      DIFFICULT to rank but I’ll give you a Top 10+

      1) Natalie Wood
      1a) Grace Kelly
      2) Donna Reed
      2a)Jill St.John
      3) Hedy Lamar
      4) Marilyn
      5) Ava Gardner
      6) Angie Dickinson
      7) Lana Turner
      8) Juliet Prowse
      9) Lena Horne
      10) Shirley MacLaine

      Note: Robert Wagner was married to Natalie. IS married to Jill and boinked Liz Taylor in his youth.

      • MB30SD

        wood is your #1?!?!? Say it ain’t so Al!

        • willbest

          I think Wood is an acceptable #1, I wouldn’t have Donna Reed on my top 10 list though.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Oh my. She puts WONDERFUL in ITS A WONDERFUL LIFE.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Natalie: “Who want’s to go skinny dippin’?” – THIS PROPERTY IS CONDEMNED.

          • Cormonster

            I recently watched some old episodes of the Donna Reed show that were on TV. I haven’t seen many women in my life who are as hot as she was in her mid-40’s. She still had a smokin’ body at 45.

          • willbest

            Longevity in beauty was was a genetic gift back then.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Eye of the beholder.

          Yours?

          • willbest

            He is a Marilyn guy judging from his response to somebody else.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Marilyn was gorgeous. I’m very partial to “cute”.

          • MB30SD

            jes she was just too much sex dripping from every pore. I would not have been able to resist if given the chance.

            Much better men, and all that

          • CanadaBear

            Tony Curtis said it was like kissing Hitler.

          • MB30SD

            not quite sure how to take that

          • Irish Sweetness

            And probably the smartest of the lot of them.

          • AlbertInTucson

            She is sooo desirable in THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Watch West Side Story. Only a gay man would not fall in love with her.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Murdered Natalie more like ….

    • MB30SD

      Headly Lamarr is always my #1: http://thumbsnap.com/s/rB3Suhtu.jpg

    • willbest

      I think my top 5 in no particular order are Wood, Monroe, Ekberg, Turner, and Kelly.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Kelly in REAR WINDOW or TO CATCH A THIEF.

        • willbest

          both? Although Rear Window.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Couldnt live on the difference.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Marilyn, Gina, Eva Bartok, Natalie Wood, Juliet Prowse.

  • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

    Remember. If it ain’t sliding, it still wants to be hiding. Don’t push.

  • SC Dave

    How the hell do I put up a picture? It’s perfect – all about how the next generation of Packers fans comes about. Saw it on FB from “Drink Wisconsibly”…

  • BuddhaJoe

    I wasn’t too keen on Fangio at first, but he’s been making (gas station) chicken salad out of chicken shit and there’s no sane reason he should be let go at this point. Hell, he should be kept over a head coach that couldn’t even beat out the W-L record of the Crypt Keeper, and that’s with factoring in the bare cupboard Emery left them.

    • willbest

      I don’t mind Fangio. His system is solid, and he gets more from less. I wish he would blitz a bit more than he does, but then if our D can’t get there we are basically praying for a bad throw or a drop because our DBs can’t cover a tackling dummy for longer than 3 seconds.

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  • willbest

    And there it is Chapman to the Yankees. 5-year $86 million. Or to put another way roughly $270,000 per inning he would be expected to pitch. Lester makes about half that on a per inning basis for reference.

    • BerwynBomber

      Hard to fault Theo and company for any of their moves, and hey, they won the ring. But in retrospect the Yanks got the better of that move.

      Chapman was probably no more than a break even guy in the post-season — he probably gave up as many leads as he held. And the Cubs lost a top prospect for that. But hey when all your drafts and trades have hit like Theo’s you can get away with the Chapman-like mistakes.

    • AlbertInTucson

      No surprise. Cubs got their money’s worth for his rental.

      • BerwynBomber

        Not really. At best he was a neutral win/loss in the post-season. He gave up a lot of leads.

        But as I said below, Theo and company have made so many good moves they could afford a stink bomb like Chapman.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Maddon soo over managed those last couple of games. I dont blame Chapman for that.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah but he gave up leads in the SF series too, didn’t he?

            I just don’t think Chapman provided them much. That other late reliever — whose name I now forget — was indeed worth it. Chapman? Nah …

        • ButtonShoes

          Didn’t help them win the WS? Without Chapman you don’t win Game 5. Period.

  • MB30SD
  • AlbertInTucson

    Erin is listed a “Questionable” for Sunday.

    Yeah, right.

    • BerwynBomber

      Hasn’t Brady been listed questionable for something like five years running?

      • AlbertInTucson

        Belicheat is the reason the NFL injury report is such a farce.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I wouldnt mind. He QBs the team we’re neck and neck with inFF.
          We beat’em last week and face them again this week.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

          Thanks to him, everyone is q now.
          Sure gamblers appreciate that

          • AlbertInTucson

            He’ll probably throw for 3 and run for another.

            Seattle is going to miss Earl Thomas.

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