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Across The Middle — Week 12

| November 23rd, 2016

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So, now what?

Over the last two weeks the Bears have lost 10 starters to injury or suspension, including six on offense. Some of them will come back, but the starting quarterback won’t and his backup is already gone. Matt Barkley is going to make it next to impossible for the Bears to win or evaluate any of the other offensive players. So the Bears have six games left in which they can’t accomplish anything.

I know some fans are happy that the Bears will “tank” and end up with a high draft pick, but this won’t be any fun. I would love for every game to be meaningful, instead we’re wasting six weeks of our NFL fan lives, which will make the wait for next year even more excruciating.

The offseason will be interesting. Ryan Pace is going to have a high draft pick and finally the ammunition he needs to pull the trigger on “his” quarterback. This will be the guy we ultimately judge his career on.

The Bears are probably done with Cutler. Pace will probably try to trade him, but the market for a 34-year-old quarterback who was injured twice the previous season. Some have suggested the Bears will make a move for Tony Romo, but I’m not sure Jerry Jones is going to let him go and his salary cap hit, combined with his injury history, would be too much to take on in a trade. My guess is the Bears will open training camp with Brian Hoyer battling a first-round pick, but it’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Who coaches the new quarterback is another interesting thought. We really can’t judge John Fox’s win-loss record based on this season. But does it pay to spend a highs draft pick on a quarterback only to have them coached by Fox and whoever his offensive coordinator is?

If they move on from Fox, do they also move on from Vic Fangio? One has to wonder if Pace regrets not hiring Adam Gase as his head coach two years ago because Gase was planning on teaming with Fangio. He’d have long-term answers on both sides of the ball instead of the two question marks he’s currently looking at.

Those are all things to look at in the future. For now, however, we don’t have much. My hope was that we’d get the second half of the season to evaluate Cutler and Fox with a healthy roster. At the very least, that would be interesting. But that didn’t happen. Now, we really can’t evaluate either or anybody else on the offense.

So, we have six games. Six games in which we can kind of evaluate the defense — which will be difficult as they get no help from the offense — and nothing else.

Fox’s Job Saver?

I don’t think Dowell Loggains has done a bad job, but the Bears aren’t scoring points and, if Fox, wants to make sure he can keep his job, he needs to make sure his teams can field an acceptable offense.

Enter Norv Turner?

I don’t think anybody doubts that Fox can build a Super Bowl-caliber defense. Or that the Bears are well on their way to building that. In 12 Peyton Manning-less years, however. Fox’s teams have finished outside the top 20 in points scored eight times. Turner’s teams have done so just five times in 25 years.

I think Fox keeps his job regardless, but Pace has to at least be asking if he can trust him to build an offense around a young quarterback. On the surface, there is no real connection between Fox and Turner, but they competed against one another for years. Turner is out of a job and Fox will be soon if his team doesn’t start scoring points.

Not To Get Ahead of Myself But…

I haven’t really done much research on the quarterbacks in the draft yet because there really is no point until the players declare, but I have seen all of them play at least a little bit.

When we hit draft season, I’ll be dig more into each prospect, but right now I have a hard time getting over DeShaun Watson’s experience, especially in big games. DeShone Kizer has the highest ceiling — and would be perfect for Norv Turner’s offense — but he’s incredibly raw. I’d be nervous about Mitch Trubisky’s lack of experience. Brad Kaaya is a name that has been linked to the Bears, his arm is stronger than some say, but he doesn’t step into his throws.

The evaluation process will last right up until the draft, but we know the Bears have already taken a close look at all of them.

Charting The Bears

• Entering last week’s game, I had the Bears with seven dropped passes on the season, a mark they equaled against the Giants. Jordan Howard led the way with four drops, a couple of them would’ve been difficult catches, but ones you expect him to make.

• If Cutler hits free agency, this game is one he should use to highlight what he can bring to a team. He threw a number of darts and made plays after the pocket broke down. The question is if he can succeed without chaos, nobody knows the answer to that, but the right team will help him be successful.

• You can’t talk trash then not show up like Pernell McPhee did. He had one QB disruption and it came late in the game when Eli Manning basically ran right into him. The Bears pass rush wasn’t as bad as it was sold to be, but neither McPhee nor Willie Young did much of anything. Instead it was Lenny Floyd leading the charge with 4.5 disruptions.

Bring On The Titans

I have to admit that I have a soft spot for the Titans and I always have.

While the Bears stunk in the late-90s and early-2000s, I admired how the Titans went about their business with Air McNair, Eddie George and Jevon Kearse. They stunk for a long time after that, but in recent years they’ve added a few of my draft crushes and the arrow is pointing up.

I’m a huge fan of Marcus Mariota, who has accounted for 25 touchdowns in his second season. As DBB readers should know, I was also a huge fan of Derrick Henry and Jack Conklin before the draft last year.  The Titans also have a couple former Bears who I liked in David Bass and Marc Mariani. Hell, I’m even a fan of Mike Mularky — as a coordinator, not so much as a head coach.

Tennessee’s defense stinks, but that won’t matter against Matt Barkley and company. If the Bears were even remotely healthy, or even if they just had Cutler, they’d have a chance in this game. Without that, however, I don’t see it.

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  • Irish Sweetness

    Fox hasn’t directly hurt this team, Fangio has. He’d be the only guy I’d fire.

    Why would we trade in a 34 year old QB for an injury prone 36 year old? Where is the sense in that?

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    • Scharfinator

      Do you really think Fangio has *hurt* this team? Think about where our defense was two years ago…

      Agree on the trade, no idea why we would pick up Tony.

    • MB30SD

      Sigh

      • Huge Bears Penis

        I sometimes think Irish is from another dimension, where the rules are totally opposite of here.

        • MB30SD

          HOFer!!

  • Jim Wenhart

    Pace needs to be the one in the hot seat. Two poor drafts. No QB developing. Questionable in letting established guys go for nothing. Alshon gets huge money but he can’t get the ball because the line stinks. We are going young but Porter, Urein, Freeman, Royal, Cutler…..take up the roster spots. Massie can’t pass block….a fine quality in a tackle. Slauson was due 3 mil and was sent away so Sitton could be signed for 20 mil plus days before the start of the season. depth at any spot. If Pace has a plan it is a well kept secret. This team has very few impact players. I don’t like Fox but this is not on him. This is on Pace.

    • Scharfinator

      Two poor drafts? You could say mediocre, but definitely not poor. The only real failed pick has been Kevin White and he may even surprise us and come back good. (Doubt it on him)

      Floyd is coming on. Cody Whitehair, barring some setback, is our future at center. Jordan Howard is proving to be a beast (in the 5th round!).

      Looking at 2015, we had 6 picks and 3 seems to be solid pick ups – Langford, Grasu, and Amos.

      Not to mention, picking up good deals on vets that have salvaged the defense. Freeman, McPhee, Trevathan, etc.

      Pace has done well with his talent acquisition and Fox has made this team play with heart.

      The place we REALLY need to fix is our strength and conditioning/recovery programs. Everyone is made of glass.

      • MB30SD

        I give Pace an 8 at this point

        • Scharfinator

          Out of 10? I agree, I think that is fair

      • Bender McLugh

        no amount of reason and truth will get through to fans blinded by the rage of a bad season.

        • MB30SD

          or… you just cain’t fix dumb?

          • Bender McLugh

            it can be both, definite

          • MB30SD

            indeed

      • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

        What have you seen from Grasu that makes you think he’s solid?

        • Scharfinator

          I thought they were happy with him last year while he was playing? I could be remembering wrong.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m not down on Pace but Langford and Grasu seem to be a stretch for solid pickups. Kinda splitting hairs. Still pissed about the White pick. That one was so Bears. Can’t blame Pace for the injuries but that was a risky pick and it’s come back to haunt him. I thought Floyd was the same deal but he seemed to be coming on when he did the bullfighting thing. i certainly like Pace more than Fox/Nathan Lane/Rodgers (ST’s coach). Although, Rodgers might be OK but the roster is such a nightmare (from injuries) he has no real talent.

        • Scharfinator

          Right, so with that, mediocre?

        • Huge Bears Penis

          Grasu was our starting Center. They were going to go with him before the injury, so he must have shown enough in the PreSeason. I am not saying he was going to AP but it seems like a solid pick. I would have liked to see what he could have developed into. With our current guard, as long as he returns ok from injury he should provide pretty good depth. If, big if, Grasu shows he is good enough to start, we could do like some have stated and push Long out to T. Langford on the other hand is a toss up, he showed last year that he could be a serviceable back, not so much this year, partly because of injury. It is one of the reasons many of us were okay with moving on from Forte.

          So if you look at solid as being someone that could start in a bind or be a solid contributor, Grasu and Langford would be solid picks, not bad for a 3rd and 4th round pick.

    • MB30SD

      You’re not well informed…. At all

      • Huge Bears Penis

        Wrong, Jim Wenhart is the most informed Bears fan ever! Future HOFer in Bears Fandom!

        • Weed Superman (GP)

          Best of ALL TIME! ALL TIME!

        • Orcs for Sauron PAC

          JIM WENHART for HC 2017!

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        Welcome aboard, Jim!

    • beninnorcal

      Jim Wenhart is now on the hot seat after this comment of his.

    • SC Dave

      The line stinks when everyone is hurt, Jim.

      An important factor over past eight years, but moreso the last three, for passing games problems is that Cutler reads his progressions slowly and holds on to the ball far too long.

  • Irish Sweetness
    • MB30SD

      I will thank him very much for leaving me with something I will always have…

      Doooooooooonnnnnn’tttt Caaaaaaaaaaaaaareeeeeeeee

  • Huge Bears Penis

    I think it is a little dubious to question Pace as far as regretting a HC hire. When Pace was hired the Bears had already interviewed Quinn and Gase for the HC job. While I believe Pace had some input on the hire, I am not sure how much. Fox was hired a week after Pace. Pace was hired in the middle of the HC interviewing process, and they hired someone before he even figured out where the shitter in Halas Hall was. It is my opinion that since the Bears had brought in Accorsi to consult, it was more Accorsi’s decision than Pace.

    • MB30SD

      We don’t know of course, but I think all the signs point to this trajectory.

      I’m now pretty bummed we didn’t do the gase/fangio thing. Hindsight is 20/20, but i thought Fox was still the turnaround specialist with a proven track record when he came to us. Man, so bummed dude’s checked out.

      I REALLY like the job Pace has done. His FA pick ups have been SUPER solid. Freeamn, Tre, McPhee, Sitton, etc…

      His drafts have been more solid than not, with some massive hits in howard, maybe floyd, whitehair, some of our young and raw, but promising looking DBs.

      Net-net:
      * Shitcan Fox ASAP
      * All his guys too
      * Get a young upcoming case-type in
      * Keep fangio… or if the above don’t work, give fangio the shot
      * Let pace loose on a top 3 (top 2?) pick in erra round and one more strong FA period

      • Bender McLugh

        “maybe” Floyd? Dude leads all rookies in sacks and hasn’t been assigned to get to the QB every play. Seems to me he’s a stud in the making. It also seems to me that I am way too sober.

        • MB30SD

          right, I just want more data.

          • Bender McLugh

            absolutely….but his arrow is a firm erect up

          • MB30SD

            oh well heeeeerrrroooooo

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            You called?

          • MB30SD

            hahaha… a true statement.

            your thoughts on the above?

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            young talent generally looks good. How I’d group guys Pace has drafted/gotten as UDFA so far:

            Building blocks: Whitehair, Floyd, Goldman, albeit injury concerns with last 2

            Solid Starters: Callahan (health concerns), Howard, Amos

            Solid depth: White, Meredith, HJQ, Bullard, Grasu, Langford, Kwiatkowski, LeBlanc

            Haven’t seen enough to know: Bush, Houston-Carson, Hall, Braunecker

            So far, I’d say that’s pretty solid. Takes more time to really know though. Like, in a year White, Bullard, and Kwiatkowski in particular could all easily be a notch higher here, or Callahan and Amos could fall down a notch.

            Overall I’d say Pace’s drafting looks pretty solid so far.

          • MB30SD

            nice. Agree.

            So out of 10, what’s his grade so far?

            And I’ve liked what I saw in Kwiatkowski in limited action. Struck me as a Borland lite

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            I’m a harsh grader. Consider 5 an average here, I’d give him a 6.5.

            But really it’s hard to grade fairly at this point. Give it another year for these first two drafts. At least.

          • MB30SD

            fair enough.

            I would say 7 if not for freeman and the totally out of bounds howard 5th rounder… so I gave him an 8.

            I guess my point was, he is nothing like Emery… or god forbid the name we shall never utter here.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Ange…. Nope, can’t do it. I started hearing Jaws theme song playing had to stop. Anyways, i have been impressed with Pace so far. I am actually a little excited to see what he does in the offseason.

          • MB30SD

            thanks for that.

            Yep, on the same page. I like him, he’s done well.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            Oh, I was basing solely on draft.

            For FA, I’d probably give him an 8. He’s whiffed on a couple contracts, but none that hurt them financially too bad. Great value with Freeman, McPhee good find but that pre-existing knee injury was known as a problem, Trevathan/Hicks solid, but little from Royal and Massie/Rolle busts.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Kwiatkoskie is bigger and longer than Borland, but Borland had like A+ instincts, which is something a converted S might struggle with.

            Than again, Lach.

          • MB30SD

            just, would like to see more of him. What I did see, I liked.

          • SC Dave

            Of all, to me the most pleasant surprises are Howard (!!!) and Callaghan

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Aside from Grasu (terrible) when on the field, they’ve all pretty much met expectation.

            Floyd has flashed brilliance, which is what a top 10 pick must do. White, we can’t really know cuz he was hurt.

            Goldman is good (when in) which is what you want from a 2nd rounder. Perhaps not AP, but good and starting.

            Once could make the argument that Callahan, Howard, Amos, Meredith, Bullard overachieved for their draft/position – FA rank.

            (look at how many “top” HBs, S, CBs bomb around the league every year)

            I like who Pace brings in. They have “upside” – they’re not JAGs like Vereen.

            I look forward to seeing greenhorns like Bruackner, Kwiatowksi, Hall as opposed to cringing, which differs from the Emery/Angelo prospects.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He was a stud before he ever got to Chicago.

      • SC Dave

        Freeman especially. Except for the supplement thing.

        • MB30SD

          we all take supplements dave. I’m sure it was just something like garcinia cambogia

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        McDaniels?

  • MB30SD

    Oh, and ya’ll need some VI…Poo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L37-3v7DyYs

    • MB30SD

      Now your colon’s open… and ready for battle!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q

    • Huge Bears Penis

      what fun is that? Be proud of your odorous excretions, they are meant to be enjoyed by all.

      #OdorousExcretionsMatter

  • MB30SD
    • BearDown100393

      “I’m already forgotten?”
      – Trestman

      • MB30SD

        ha!

      • Bender McLugh

        arugably the first? NTTAWWT (except for losing games, there’s PLENTY wrong with that)

      • Weed Superman (GP)

        Trestman was the first undead coach

    • Doc Nitty

      Trick Question.

      We don’t.

      • MB30SD

        BOOM!

        Was just wondering how things were going last night… then I had to fuck shady up on COD and forgot to shoot you a text.

        How’s it all goin?

        • Doc Nitty

          Going very very well, my friend. If I had any complaints (and I don’t) it’s that I may be oversexed?

        • Doc Nitty

          That’s funny. I thought of you last night too and almost sent you a sexy pic. But, in the end, I thought better of it.

          We HAVE moved into filming as you suggested. Good times, mang. Good damn times.

          • MB30SD

            hahaha! our ears were burning. Nah, I’m good, although I appreciate the thought. You keep that for yourself.

            Still super stoked you’re enjoying it all my maings. Hope the boys are well and happy thanksgiving to you and them senor.

          • Doc Nitty

            I wouldn’t have sent you that. I’m pretty sure you don’t want me included in anything you might see. Yikes.

          • MB30SD

            No thanks… Although, I’m sure it’s majestic

  • BearDown100393

    NASA Director: This could be the worst disaster NASA’s ever experienced.

    Gene Kranz: With all due respect, sir, I believe this is gonna be our finest hour.

    8-8

    • Irish Sweetness

      If Jay can win 6 games with no OL, no TE, Cam and two midgets ….

      … then he really fucks our season.

      • BearDown100393

        And his torn labrum.

        • MB30SD

          yes, fuck him AND his torn labrum

  • Weed Superman (GP)

    I know some fans are happy that the Bears will “tank” and end up with a high draft pick, but this won’t be any fun.

    (Rolls eyes)

    Andrew, since when was the NFL fun? The mid-1990s? Suck for Luck is now a thing. Get used to it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      That’s it boyeeee!!!

      We’re in position for a top top pick. Seven of them.

      Garret or a QB?

      • Weed Superman (GP)

        Peppers baby. Always about the Wolverines.

        • MB30SD

          I’m all about peppers or the best OL/DL available

      • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

        Garret

  • Weed Superman (GP)

    While the Bears stunk in the late-90s and early-2000s, I admired how the Titans went about their business with Air McNair, Eddie George and Jevon Kearse. They stunk for a long time after that, but in recent years they’ve added a few of my draft crushes and the arrow is pointing up.

    (Throws up a little bit in my mouth)

    Well that explains it. A closet Titans fan.

    McNair got punked by his girlfriend. Who had a shotgun. He went out Phil Hartman style. George was a beast but less so than AP. The Freak had 2 good seasons and then battled injuries. He was the poor man’s Simeon Rice. And that NASCAR font on the jersey is a crime against humanity. Most of the cheerleaders are from the hills of Appalachia and are missing teeth. And have flat heads.

    • 505Bears

      Yup, I got an abandon ship type of feeling from that statement. What’s next, “I always had a soft spot for the Packers and Brett Favre.” Come on, maaaaaan!!!!

    • BearDown100393
    • Bender McLugh

      and smooth brains

    • Irish Sweetness

      Closet Schmozzet. If the Bears suck for the next 30 years, I”ll be there.

      mmBearsss.

      • MB30SD

        ravens.

        (fuuuuck the titans)

    • Jokey

      McNair had uncanny pocket sense. And played through more injuries than Romo, Rapeburger and Manning combined.

  • Irish Sweetness

    3 safeties in the top 10?

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2017.php

    I’m calling Pace’s move right now. He drafts Kayaa in the second round. It has Pace written all over it.

    • Weed Superman (GP)

      There’s an omlet at the breakfast place I go to, called the Kayaa-Ya-Ya.

      I think it’s serendipity.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        a little off topic, there used to be an all night diner that we went to when drunk, they always had 2am special called “Just throw some shit on a plate” to this day I don’t remember what was on that plate and I don’t know if it was the same each night but drunk me thought it was fucking delicious.

        • CanadaBear

          There was an all-night place in town that I thought was a gem until I ate there sober once. Oops!

          • Huge Bears Penis

            I did the samething, big mistake. Unfortunately for drunk me, the place burnt down, which was kind of expected grease seemed to cover everything in the place.

          • 505Bears

            I had the same issue with this late night booty call girl I used to hook up with after a drunken night. Um, yeah going back during the day and not after a 1/5 of whiskey was not a pretty site.

          • Weed Superman (GP)

            I bet she smelled weird, too.

          • 505Bears

            Yeah, I thought it was me and booze that was smelling like that…haha

          • Huge Bears Penis

            probably a little greasy also.

          • MB30SD

            eeewwwwww

          • Weed Superman (GP)

            I made out with a “curvy” gal in college at a party and had to stop because she smelled like Bob Evans pork sausage. Made me sick.

          • MB30SD

            wow, that’s disgusting.

          • Weed Superman (GP)

            I was a dog in school. At least as an underclassman.

          • CanadaBear

            You didn’t need to throw that in. We all just assumed …

          • Weed Superman (GP)
          • CanadaBear

            Chubby girls need love too! Growing up in Iowa, whenever I went to Iowa City to party it seemed like the girls were extremely hot. Everything is relative. BTW, I would have jumped on the chubby girl in a heartbeat.

          • MB30SD

            meh, I’d fuck both those chicks… and 9 to 1 the chubby one would be a much more fun lay.

          • Weed Superman (GP)

            Top chick only does the tip. Guaranteed.

            But she is stunning.

          • MB30SD

            agree on both points.

          • CanadaBear

            Not to mention chubby girls usually are good at oral because so much of their life revolves around that orifice. Just sayin’!

          • MB30SD

            hahahahahaha

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Sixes!

          • MB30SD

            no need for explanation

          • Huge Bears Penis

            too bad she did not smell like bacon. she would be irresistable.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)
          • CanadaBear
  • Weed Superman (GP)
  • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

    Webb out of Seattle, unless you fell in love with Adams and Massie could be…

    • MB30SD

      Webb nation!!!!

    • CanadaBear

      One tour of duty from J-Webb Nation is enough for any team.

      • MB30SD

        for any league!

  • Weed Superman (GP)

    Zodiac Master’s scam:

    He’d engineer a disaster, then go to the Mob and tell them he could see the future, and then he would set off the disaster, convincing said mobsters of his clairvoyance and gaining a high position within the Mob’s inner circle.

    Dude! This was a villain clearly ahead of his time.

    http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Zodiac_Master_(Earth-One)

    I think I shall call George McCaskey the Zodiac Master from now on….

  • Weed Superman (GP)
    • MB30SD

      MU going all the way this year.

      Then another next

      Then, in the off season, the relationship inevitably sours over… some power struggle.

      Then…. my master plan comes to fruition and Jimmy comes home to lead us to the Lombardi in 2 years.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        khaki kabal.

    • BearDown100393

      So was McPhee.

    • Cormonster

      Go Michigan. I would love to see a Wisconsin – Michigan Big 14 title game for a shot at the playoffs. I hate Ohio State and Penn State with a passion.

      • willbest

        They didn’t rename it did they? Those fuckers shitting all over my childhood

        • Cormonster

          No, it’s still called the Big 10, even though it has 14 teams.

          • willbest

            Sure, but us midwest state school grads can’t count past 10 without taking our shoes off anyway. And anything that annoys those rich pricks at Northwestern is fine by the rest of us.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

    We really can’t judge John Fox’s win-loss record based on this season. But does it pay to spend a highs draft pick on a quarterback only to have them coached by Fox and whoever his offensive coordinator is?If they move on from Fox, do they also move on from Vic Fangio? One has to wonder if Pace regrets not hiring Adam Gase as his head coach two years ago because Gase was planning on teaming with Fangio – Andy

    Few things here.
    1. We can DEFINITELY judge Fox. This team either comes out like zombies at the start or halfs of games. They don’t make any adjustments. His coaching chops don’t “wow” anyone. He’s questionable all around.

    2. And on that note, said from the start, if I had to choose one or the other, it would be Gase over Fox, ESP considering that MAYBE, just MAYBE, Gase could’ve kept Cutler at Alex Smith and not Bortles level. But, perhaps Pace was thinking of Fangio over Gase, or simply getting his own guy in.

    3. Totally agree on drafting a high-pick on QB if we have lameduck coach.
    Deeming Cutler bad doesn’t mean we MUST assume the next QB class good. Both can suck. So it wouldn’t piss me off if Fox is still HC and he passes on a QB till the midrounds.

    This “inheriting” crap must stop. An HC who inherits a coordinator, or GM who inherits scouts and a HC, or the next HC that must inherit a top QB pick. That’s how organizations become dysfunctional and lose.

    If we indeed keep Fox, then get Romo.

    Romo will almost certainly be let go by the Boys. That’ll be their good bye present. They can afford to do so cuz Dak is on a dirtcheap 4rth rd deal.

    And is Romo more inj prone than Cutler? Doubt it. If he goes down, we’ll have Hoyer and Shaw, not exactly a horrible plan B (see, Clausen/Barkley).

    It”ll basically be a 1yr lame duck try for Fox. If they stink again, burn the house down, and get a new HC and QB together, but by then, after one more solid draft (Stud pass rusher, RT, S, maybe another TE/WR, CB), this team will be in a better position to help a rook QB.

    If we dump Fox, then by all means, go all in on QB if one is worth it.

    But if not, don’t think we should get too mad at Pace. If rumors are true, he like both Mariota and Wentz. That’s encouraging. He worked with Brees for years, so he might know what a franchise QB looks like (and the fact he’s been trying to replace Cutler also points to this), so if he passes on a top QB next season, might have to trust him.

    Gotta be patient. As we all painfully know, finding a franchise QB is not easy.

    • Weed Superman (GP)

      Gase vs. Birdcage? It wasn’t even close. Not even close. Birdcage seems unaware of down and distance WRT to play calling.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AltbF1hzGs

      Birdcage and the whole cadre of OL, RB and WR coaches should be pitched. Start over.
      Fox goes, Fangio stays, make Fangio HC

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        I think there’s only been like 3-4 plays when I said to myself, “wow, that’s smart”

        One of them was a play when he lined up 3TEs in bunch formation, and another WR on the other side, and ran Howard for a first on a 3rd and 2.

        He spread that D out instead of just lining up tank formation and giving the D a chance to stuff it.

        But those plays have been few-and-far between.

        If we’re going to dump Fox, then do it now, I say. (I wanted to dump Fox since like WK3 anyways)

        Try out Fangio as interim and see if he translates .

        I have my own reservations about Fangio.

        The 9ers didn’t even THINK about making him HC. Don’t think they even interviewed him, and that’s sort of a red flag for me.

        That’s like all those years back when no one gave Trestman interviews for HC and everyone on the outside couldn’t figure out why.

        Well, now we know why.

        Fangio is also conservative, just like Fox.

        He drills technique over scheme, a lot like Lovie.

        He depends on execution over out-scheming opponents, and that worries me a bit.

        But, can’t say his guys don’t play hard for him (like Lovie), and if that can transfer over to the O, might be a good thing.

        Either way, this would be the perfect chance to place Fangio as Interim.

        But I can’t see the McCaskey’s paying both Trestman AND Fox to NOT coach the Bears this year.

        Psychologically, I just don’t think they can do it.

        It’s like losing big at the roulette and keep chasing bad $

        • Weed Superman (GP)

          It would cause the Chicago media and asswipes like the Doomer and Bernstein to question why George bothered with Ernie Accorsi and then it would roll down on Gase. They quickly figured out Emery was a moron. Gase they want to give a chance to.

          • MB30SD

            pace?

          • Weed Superman (GP)

            Sorry, Pace.

        • SC Dave

          Plays look smart when they work, and dumb when they dont.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            I mostly agree with Andy on this.

            I don’t think Birdcage is Tice-bad, but he hasn’t impressed either.

            I would be interested to see what he can do with a QB who is not a turnover machine.

            We got a glimpse of it with Hoyer, and even Shaw in PS.

            Just not enough sample size.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Fangio has NO BALLS.

          Loggians called the best game I’ve seen against the Vikes.

      • MB30SD

        in!

      • willbest

        The RB coach can stay. He seems alright.

    • BearDown100393

      Ownership is responsible for the inheriting crap.

    • BerwynBomber

      Two things:

      1) If you’re Romo, would you be that interested in coming here if, say, DEN and ARI are also both calling?

      2) Let’s not forget that MANY DBBers (almost entirely Cutlerlites) were highly critical of Gase by season’s end last year. In fact, they seemed to think Gase was holding Cutler back (in a negative way) and that it was Cutler making Gase look good, not the other way around.

      P.S. Mariota might have the most compact/efficient delivery I’ve ever seen. Check it out. It is almost like looking at an NBA guy with a weird shooting motion and it takes you a few looks to begin to notice it and/or break it down. Still not sure about his arm strength, though, but liked everything else about him (coming out of the draft) and figured he’d be a quick study in regard to learning a pro system and dropping back from center.

      He, Dak and Wentz all seem to be natural leaders.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        1. Whether Romo WANTS to come to the Bears is another matter.

        I can easily envision him preferring Cards/Donks, but they might not want him.

        Donks still have Lynch who HorseTeeth supposedly loves, and Arians loves Palmer, and might consider Romo too much of a risk.

        But, I can see Romo def overlooking the Bears.

        One advantage we have is that he grew up in Wisc, so he’d be a lil closer to his hometown.
        Also, inspite of our record, we still roster a good Oline/run game (probably better than Cards/DOnks) which should appeal to a fragile QB.

        We’ll also likely pay more cuz we suck.

        2. Agree. More than a few DBBers wanted Gase to take more shots down field (oh, I thought it was just Hoya!) but obviously he didn’t trust Cutler enough, and he held in the reigns and esseintlaly made him Alex Smith, which many in rose-spectated glasses thought it great.

        I think the Gase/Birdcage system is inherently gunshy and rather dink dunk (which would explain why Hoyer excelled in it). Just look at Gase over in MIA.

        He’s riding Ajayi to the ground, and only making Tannenhill throw when he absolutely he has to.

        • CanadaBear

          If you trade for Romo, you’re getting his contract. There’s no doubt in my mind he’s owed crazy money next year knowing Jerra. There’s no earthly reason to bring Romo to Chicago. Trade in a breaking down QB for an older broken down QB. That Conte pic is making you crazy!

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            I said if Romo is let go, in which case we won’t owe him anything. No way trade for Romo.

            If he’s let go, then yeah. A two year deal, with most of it upfront incase Fox and gang are washed off the earth.

            Romo might be old and broken down, but unlike Cutler, he’s good and takes care of the ball.

            There’s also the other possibility that Romo retires anyways, making all this moot.

            That’s just an option IF Fox is still HC.

            If Fox is not HC, then all bets are off, including throwing the kitchen sink for say Kizer.

          • CanadaBear

            Still don’t want Romo. Like you, I wish Fox was gone but that’s not gonna happen. If they do go QB in the first rd Fox will still start Hoyer all year (or until he gets hurt) trying to win games. That should lead to another high draft pick. Then a new HC. The timing never works out for the Bears. EVER!

          • Johnnywad

            I’m not sure sitting a rook behind Hoyer a year is a bad thing regardless of who is coaching.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What would they learn behind Hoyer, Johnny? How not to play football? How not to throw for a first down needing to hit a 10 and out ? They need to be looking at a stud like Young sitting behind Mac, and then Joe. BTW – he said he learned the game from watching Jim McMahon.

          • Irish Sweetness

            36. Injury-prone. Why?

            We have Cutty for 16/17M !!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Mariota is proper. I’m not buying Wentz.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      if they’re going with a Hoyer/1st round pick option at QB next year, then Fox needs to be gone. He’ll absolutely pull a Fisher and play Hoyer instead of the rookie for way too long.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

        Absolutely pull a Fisher.

        That’s why I’m not all-in on drafting a 1st rd QB.

        Even IF Bears bring in a totally new coaching staff, they might not think any of the QBs are worth a high 1st, esp since Browns will likely get the #1 choice.

        • Irish Sweetness

          This Zaaya guy – any good?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Why are we talking about Hoyer? Everyone’s acting like Hoyer is a Bear next season. No can seriously expect a man who can’t throw a football to be QB-ing this team next season.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Blake Bortles threw over 30 TDs last season, folk are down on him.

      What does anyone see in Carson Wentz?

      Who on this blog thinks cutler is a bad QB?

      Why is Fox related to whether or not we draft a QB?

      I haven’t worked with Drew Brees and I know what a franchise QB looks like. I don’t get that. People who work in football are somehow smarter than us and better at analysing problems?

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)
  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    Fox said Cutler is not done for the year. Calls him “day to day,” which means nothing from Fox.

    Here’s what we know:

    They didn’t put him on IR, so they plan on him playing again this year.

    They signed David Fales, so they don’t plan on him playing this week.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

      That’s so Fox.

      he’ll do what he always does.

      When barkley/Fales suck so bad, the game is over b4 halftime, only then will Cutler miraculously heal again.

      For all we know, Fox is trying out Barkley/Fales and benching Cutler.

      • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

        why doesn’t this fucking downvote button work. What a dumb fucking comment.

        • MB30SD

          come on maings. It’s somewhere in the middle.

          Bottom line, we need to move on

          • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

            now questioning an injury? fucking bitch move.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            Plz. I said, for all we know.

            Fox might be tanking to get higher draft.

            Would that surprise you?

            Wouldn’t surprise me.

          • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

            sorry pal, you know what you meant, just be a man about it and own it.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

            I know what I meant cuz I wrote it, unless you have psychic powers.

            Cutler healed at the same time Hoyer’s arm broke.

            If you think that was a coincidence, there’s a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you.

            Fox has done it before, and might do it again, but this time to try to lose, not win.

            Whether Cutler is really hurt, or to what extent, who knows?

            And honestly I dooooon’t caaaareee

          • Irish Sweetness

            Cutler didn’t heal though, that much is clear. He has to come back early to win games.

          • SC Dave

            Gee… talk about dumb comments.

          • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

            Bears fans have officially gone crazy. We bitch and moan when our QB doesn’t play hurt and we kill him for it 6 years later. Then we get pissed because he tried to play hurt. Then we call him a pussy and say he’s not hurt enough and that he’s being held out on purpose. Then as he’s healing and ready and our backup gets hurt it’s all part of a scheme. Then he gets pounded and is being held out this week and now he’s a pussy again and it’s ALSO a scheme to tank the game.
            Fucking crazy that you support this kind of thinking.

          • CanadaBear

            Just because Butch alluded to it, it doesn’t mean every Bears fan feels that way. FFS almost all of us hate Cutler for one reason or another but almost all of us realize he was dealt a shit hand here in Chicago. Not gonna change anything and it’s time to move on.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t hate Cutty. He turned the corner last season, so he gets a pass from me. He’s hurt. The trade didn’t work out, but I was very happy when we got him.

          • Scharfinator

            It’s Cutler’s mom guys. Leave him alone!

      • Irish Sweetness

        What has David Fales done specifically to make you think he sucks?

        He’s looked pretty sharp in a Bears’ uni.

    • Weed Superman (GP)

      Is it a contract payout clause, an injury clause Cutler put in for his last year?

      • willbest

        No. Cutler’s contract was 54 mil guaranteed and than gone. In years 4-7 however 2 million of his salary is contingent on active roster bonus. So he would lose out on about 160k for every game he missed (next year)

        • Weed Superman (GP)

          Is there a valid reason to not place him on IR if it is truly unlikely he would play again?

          If I was him, I would rail against playing say the final game. Unless his agent feels he’s acquitted himself so poorly this season that he has truly tanked his FA market value.

          • willbest

            If he is on the 53-man he has full access to the facilities the coaches, etc. Even if there is only a 1 and 10 chance you bring him back next season, maybe keeping that access is worth more than bringing your 15th person up from the practice squad this season to get game day reps.

            I think worst case scenario for Cutler is he signs a Revis type deal. So 2-years 12 mil year 1, 20 million year 2, but year 2 isn’t guaranteed. That way if he plays well in year 1 he will make 20 million in year 2 or somebody will give him say 2-year $35 million $26 million guaranteed.

            He is coming to the end of his career and he has made enough money that I don’t know how much he wants to do the back-up until 41 or 42 that Hasselbeck and a few others have done.

    • BerwynBomber

      So the torn labrum thing was obviously a false alarm.

      The Fales signing doesn’t rule out Cutler for Sunday. But dressing Fales for the game probably would. They might waive Fales in a week.

  • BearDown100393

    “There are different levels of injury, you know. Tear is kind of a broad
    term,” Fox said when asked if Cutler has a shoulder tear. “It is sore.
    There is soreness to it. But there are a lot of things in the shoulder
    that can affect the quarterback. Some of them can be just chronic, old,
    just wear and tear like pitchers or quarterbacks in the National
    Football League. So it’s injured, but it’s not season ending.”

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

      He’ll probably get IRed right after that statement.

      #Foxy

    • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

      Greg Gabriel just reported yet again that it’s torn, that they sought a second opinion to see if you can play without injuring it further.

  • willbest

    My guess is Cutler is done for the year and Pace is looking at the PS and who is on the street and just said “F it, if I have to put him on IR that means there’s $150k I have to pay somebody else and I might as well keep it for next year”

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

      I wouldn’t doubt that Fox is keeping Cutler just in case his seat does get hot.

      I don’t know if Fox is feeling any pressure from Halas about his job, but if he begins to, if ‘reports’ start leaking out, then Fox may in fact start Cutler even if he is inj just to try to win some games and keep his job.

      It would be a douche move to do, but he wouldn’t be the first coach to do it

      • willbest

        Well if Pace told Fox he is gone at the end of the season. Then the thinking might be play him in week 16/17 if he is healthy to get that 4th rounder. Of course that only works if you have an OC that knows how to manage Cutler and Birdcage is doing his best Mike Tice impersonation.

        • BerwynBomber

          You keep on assuming that “showcasing” Cutler will drive the market up. Could have the opposite effect too.

          • willbest

            Lets assume that Butch is right and Cutler is looking at $5 million compete for starter or high end backup next season. That means they have to cut him. So there is no risk involved in trying to show people he has just been injured and is healthy and maybe getting somebody to give them something.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If Pace trades Cutler for a fourth rounder I’m making the trip to Chicago to cut his balls off myself.

    • BerwynBomber

      Or it could have been piss-poor reporting and, as Fox said, it is nothing more than a sore shoulder.

      • willbest

        They did go see a second doctor. That implies the first doctor didn’t give them the news they/he wanted. And the 2nd doctor probably said “well he will need surgery, but we could try PT and maybe get him back out there in 3 weeks.”

        Another theory is they want to leave the option for him to come back next season (which I feel is in the 10-20% range). At which point having him on the sidelines and in the facility is worth more than the roster spot when they are 2-8

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

    On Norv.

    I don’t think so. Part of the reason he resigned was cuz he was inflexible.

    He descends from the Air Coryell lineage. 5-7 step drops. Lots of TE, good run game.

    But he couldn’t adapt once AP and that Oline went down.

    He kept trotting out his scheme, and Bradford was getting killed, and they were the worst O in the league.

    His system was good for a long time cuz it had HOFer caliber players – Rivers/Tomlinson/McNeill/Gates

    Remind anyone of a certain scenario? Yeah, Martz.

    Norv’s system is outdated, IMO, and even if it’s not, if he doesn’t have the pieces, he can’t adjust.

    • SC Dave

      We do not need Martz 2.0

      • MB30SD

        we didn’t even need 1.0

  • Malice Halice

    Richie incognito and Kevin. Osemele are available in FA. We need one of em.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

      With Sitton and Long at OG, we’re good there, (though) still need to see if Larsen/Kush are servicable

      What we really need is a good RT. Is Osemele a RT?

      I have a feeling we’re going to stick with Massie and draft one to ease in.

      • Malice Halice

        Nope K.O is a G.

      • Malice Halice

        I just noticed sitton is on the FA list

  • BearDown100393

    Fat Eddie IR’d for good.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

      Ugh. Might as well.

      Gonna have to invest in another NT as high as the 4rth now too.

      Eddie is too inj prone to count on, and we have zero depth behind him.

      • BerwynBomber

        I think he meant Lacy up in Cheese land.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd HOFerPick#6(Butch)

          Ironically, RB might be fatter than NT.

  • Johnnywad

    Couple things…….who gives a fuck if Cutler is actually hurt, or there is an alien conspiracy in place to bench him? They’re 2-8. It matters not.

    And #2…..Why the fuck would anybody want Tony Romeo? He’s old and made of shitty, cheap, Chinese glass.

    At this point, I’d prefer to have all current QB’s removed from Halas Hall and start fresh. At least give me something new and interesting to look at.

    • MB30SD

      Bingo

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, why the fuck Andrew and Blogfather are so bummed out about not seeing Cutty the remainder of the season is beyond me. Really, after all this time with Cutler, you need six more games to “evaluate” him.

      Baffling.

      At this point, I’d rather roll with Barkley and Fales, even if I suspect they will be utter disasters. At least, as you said, it is something new and interesting. Plus, they will secure us a higher draft spot. Presumably.

      • That Guy

        Cutler under center means you have a better chance to evaluate the rest of the offensive talent. A bad quarterback makes bad throws (can’t evaluate recievers) and takes too long to make them (can’t evaluate the line).

        • Johnnywad

          But what’s left to find out? We know Howard is really good. We know what all of the receivers are with the exception of White, and he’s done. I don’t see anything left to discover from the skill position players as it relates to QB play.

          • SC Dave

            Possible exception for wilson, tho they *should* know what he brings by now

        • BerwynBomber

          Fair enough but that is not what Andrew said. Here’s the line:

          “My hope was that we’d get the second half of the season to evaluate Cutler and Fox with a healthy roster.”

          So I’ll reiterate: needing to evaluate Cutler after 7+ years is absurd.

          • That Guy

            That I agree. Cutler is a known quantity. He’s better than any backup, but he’ll never be the guy that put the team on his back week after week.

          • MB30SD

            Ab. Surd.

      • Irish Sweetness

        David Fales has been a BAltimore Raven for some time. Another Pace blunder that seems to have gone under the radar. Trade away a QB who has never done anything wrong and in whom you have invested years, and sign Hoyer intsead. Pace is a fucktard sometimes.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      no alien conspiracy to bench Cutty, but the injury, fan and coach reactions were prophesied by the ancient Incan priests. It went something along these lines.

      “Shortly after the reign of the undead leader, an offensive warrior will be torn down limb from limb, while the once loyal followers begin revolting against the decisions of the current befuddled senile leadership. The Sun is beginning to set on all.”

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    • AlbertInTucson

      I don’t see Romo as any sort of option.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I see it as very relevant. If he’s not hurt and had reverted to old Cutty, then we don’t need him around. If he still has the skills and has not reverted, he can help us next year. Hoyer will not help us as he’s not skilled enough to throw professional passes, meaningful passes that help win games.

  • BuddhaJoe

    No to Romo, he’s too old. If they’re gonna throw a ton of money at a QB this year Cousins is the only one who MIGHT be worth it, but that would be a gamble and he won’t hit FA anyway.

    • That Guy

      The only guy in FA worth throwing money at is Garrapolo. He’s getting paid big money somewhere – and it might be here.

      If we can’t get a starting quarterback in the draft this year (maybe because there isn’t one to be gotten) I don’t have a problem giving him a starting level contract. Patriots backups don’t have a great track record, but I was a Garrapolo fan before they drafted him.

      • Irish Sweetness

        No way I’m throwing 20M a year on some guy who’s not proven blue chip. It’s very very seldom we get a top pick. Have to hit this one out of the park.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Trading Fales away was another Pace blunder that seems to have gone under the radar. Trade away a QB who has never done anything wrong and in whom you have invested years, and sign Hoyer instead. Pace is a fucktard sometimes.

    Cutty must really be hurt. At least now we’ll see Fales in action for real when it counts. Can’t wait.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      PSH!!!! Fales was not traded away, he was cut! Fales wasn’t even the first choice to grab for a backup. Pace tried to sign Jake Rudock of off the Lions practice squad. The fact is Fales is not any good. He is basically a 10th rate Brian Hoyer on his best day.

      https://twitter.com/davebirkett/status/801502541989154816

      • Irish Sweetness

        I thought we got a pick for him.

        Why do you think Fales is a 10th rate Hoyer? I’ve seen him make 10 … 15 yard out patterns. Delicate lofts. He’s had a small sample size, but he’s never played badly for us. What makes you think he’s a bad QB?

        If he is, then it’s another terrible move by Pace, considering he already cut the guy, then signed Hoyer.

    • SC Dave

      Smh

  • ButtonShoes

    “We really can’t judge John Fox’s win-loss record based on this season.”

    Like hell we can’t.

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  • Martin Bell

    Until the ‘McGoos’ sell, the Bears will continue to languish on the bottom. Worst team in the league in the draft every year..

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