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Across The Middle — Week 11

| November 16th, 2016

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The excuses are gone, but the results remain mostly the same.

As his career drags on the question of if Jay Cutler is the answer to the Bears century-long QB crisis appears to be getting answered and Sunday gave Ryan Pace enough ammunition to move on if he wants to.

This isn’t about one game, but holy shit was that a bad game. It wasn’t just the four lazy, careless turnovers the dude flat out could not make a throw. I charted him with 11 inaccurate passes — nearly 37 percent — including two horrendous interceptions.

I’ve always been willing to live with Cutler’s turnovers because they were offset by big plays. That hasn’t been the case this year. Cutler has twice as many turnovers as he does touchdowns. What’s worse is that he’s being beaten statistically by Brian Hoyer nearly across the board.

When Hoyer was throwing for 300 yards and two touchdowns every week, the argument was that he was going against bad defenses and was lucky to have a healthy and in sync offense around him. Last Sunday was a prime opportunity for Cutler to show he is the guy. He had all the parts he could want, going against a defense that couldn’t stop anybody. But he couldn’t get the job done.

It isn’t just that Hoyer threw for more yards and didn’t throw interceptions — or, really, even come close to throwing an interception — he threw touchdowns at a better rate than Cutler and his yards per attempt is nearly the same. As well as Hoyer played at times, this isn’t an argument for Hoyer, it’s a condemnation of Cutler.

But, this isn’t about one season.

We were all happy with Cutler and the Bears after the Halloween win over the Vikings. Just as we were with them after the Thanksgiving win over the Packers last year. We were kicked in the mouth last week, just as we were the week after Thanksgiving last year. The same thing happened in 2014 when they seemed to get on track with a win over Atlanta before a bad loss to Miami and consecutive blowouts to New England and Green Bay. Rewind another season, they beat the Browns in Week 15 and had a chance to clinch in Week 16 before the Philadelphia Debacle. In 2012, they started 7-1 and finished 3-5 to miss the playoffs.

Cutler wasn’t the sole reason they suffered those losses, but he didn’t do anything to prevent them either.

We saw Cutler at his best two weeks ago as he beat one of the best defenses in the league. Now, we’ve seen him at his worst. The problem is: We never know which we’re getting. The end result is still a good, productive quarterback. I don’t know if the Bears will have a high enough pick to grab one of the top quarterbacks, but, even if they don’t this might be the year to aggressively seek Cutler’s replacement.

Al$hon

Alshon Jeffery’s four-game suspension shouldn’t change how the Bears value him because it sure as hell won’t change how the open market values him.

The Bears are surely happy that Jeffery has played through bumps and bruises this year and the suspension will be viewed as a mistake, one he isn’t likely going to make again and one that isn’t really all that costly to the team given their win-loss record.

Where figuring out his value gets a bit fuzzy is with his production. Even without the suspension he was only on pace for about 70 catches, 1,100 yards and two touchdowns. His agent will use quarterback play as an excuse and the Bears will point to what DeAndre Hopkins did with Hoyer throwing passes his way.

With Kevin White missing most of this season, the Bears are surely going to do whatever they can to keep Jeffery so whoever the quarterback is next year has at least one sure thing. I hope they give in and overpay with a front-loaded contract just to get it out of the way, but I could see them using the franchise tag again. They’ll surely have the salary cap space to do whatever they like, especially if they get rid of Cutler.

A Familiar Replacement

My biggest issue with the talk of firing John Fox is finding an adequate replacement, but a really good, familiar option just might become available.

As bad as the Bears loss was, the Packers were just as embarrassed, getting blown out by the Titans. The problem there is simple: Mike McCarthy has been there too long and it’s time for both parties to move on. But McCarthy just might be an ideal replacement for Fox.

McCarthy’s biggest strength is his work with quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers wouldn’t be who he is without McCarthy fixing his mechanics. He revived Brett Favre’s career, got Aaron Brooks to a Pro Bowl and made Jeff Blake relevant. He has won over 60 percent of his games as a head coach and a Super Bowl despite being asked to win with one of the youngest rosters in the league every year.

Maybe John Fox should get a pass for the team’s first eight games, but he can’t for the second half of the season. Sundays performance was as had as any of the Trestman games and should be treated as such. Furthermore, if the Bears are as interested in bringing in a young quarterback as they appear to be, they need a coach who can groom him. McCarthy has proven he can do that.

Furthermore, McCarthy and Pace surely have some familiarity with one another since they were in New Orleans together.

Don’t Let the D Off the Hook

A great defensive performance may not have been enough for the Bears, but what they ended up with last year wasn’t good enough.

They got off to a strong start, but Tampa Bay dominated the game from the middle of the second quarter on. The pass rush was good, but the Buccaneers abused safeties Adrian Amos and Harold Jones-Quartey.

The Bears had plenty of chances to come up with big plays to keep their team in the game and they didn’t make them. If they had played perfectly, it probably wouldn’t have been enough, but the performance they put out still wasn’t good enough.

Charting the Bears

• Jordan Howard is just tough to bring down. I credited him with nine more broken tackles last week and there were several other times when he nearly slipped a tackle before other defenders arrived to help.

• It wasn’t the best performance for the offensive line, but it wasn’t the worst either. I charted them with 10 QB disruptions, but three of the sacks were avoidable. The quarterback was just seeing ghosts.

• This was probably Leonard Floyd’s best game. I credited him with 5.5 QB disruptions, McPhee had four along with two holding penalties drawn and and Willie Young had four. Their pass rush was definitely good enough, but they were lacking in so many other areas.

• It’s hard to know when a safety is to blame for a completion, but I had Amos and HJQ as being responsible for 88 yards, a touchdown and a pass interference penalty that led to another touchdown. It was the worst game of both of their careers.

Bring On The Giants

This is the kind of game the Bears usually win, isn’t it?

The odds are stacked against them with a hot team coming in and the Bears being shorthanded. When Hoyer first started his run with the Bears I wrote that we knew Cutler could make chicken salad out of chicken shit (but whether or not he can still make chicken salad when given all the ingredients to do so remains in question). This is a chicken salad out of chicken shit kind of game.

The Giants struggle to protect their quarterback, who has a tendency to throw the ball up for grabs. I could see the Bears front seven dominating this game and them coming away with a defensive touchdown.

I could see the Bears winning this game for so many reasons. Which is why they won’t, right?

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  • Huge Bears Penis

    first… i guess.. but really there is no point cuz…. DON’T CARE! Fuck Jay Cutler

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    It’s year 2 of the great rebuild guys. It’s that simple, relax…..

    • Huge Bears Penis

      NO!! {pokes you in the eye}

    • DaMurph

      They regressed from last year, case closed!

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        You said they would win last week if you went to the game. It’s your fault Murph.

        • DaMurph

          It is!!!!! Im resigning too!

  • DaMurph

    That was the worst Bear game I have ever attended, IN MY LIFETIME! Ive seen some rough games but this was a shit show! QB play was atrocious. Off target wobbling ducks! There are no more excuses Jay, I cant defend you anymore after seeing this game. There is no possible excuse for this play unless you were injured. Fire Fox, Cut Cutty….I just dont fucking care what it takes!!!!!!!

    • MB30SD

      Thiiiiiiiiis!

      You seemed to have salvaged the trip with plenty of ‘off field’ fun based on the pics I received.

      You’re such a flirt!

      • DaMurph

        ME???

        • MB30SD

          Yes

    • CanadaBear

      The worst one I ever saw in person was in 1981. Washington hired Gibbs that year and they came into the game at 0-5. The Beloved were awful and came in at 1-4. The Bears got smoked 24-7 and it wasn’t that close.

      • TomC

        My worst was also against WAS. 2004, when Jonathan Quinn and Mark Brunell conspired to set offensive football back 40 years.

        • CanadaBear

          UGH!

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Bears – 17
    Giants – 9

    It will be all defense this game guys, neither offensive is impressive. It will be 10 – 9 until the Bears get a Pick Six in the 4th Quarter and seal it. Eli is not his brother by a long shot and makes many bad decision throws.

    Week 11 already…crap time flies.

    Bear Down.

    • MB30SD

      indeed B4, crap-time does fly. sigh.

  • BearDown100393

    Grimus belongs in a McDonald’s, not on the Bears sideline.

  • MB30SD

    “This is the kind of game the Bears usually win, isn’t it?”

    No, honestly… who cares? losing it would be better.

    • willbest

      My preference (I won’t cheer for them to lose) is to finish 3-13 with the last win coming against GB

      • MB30SD

        agree

  • Weed Superman (GP)

    Data –

    Please write some stat backed story about the myth of the rebuilding year. Seriously. I am so fucking sick of that phrase.

    I think you can show empirically teams that suck do so because of ineptness at the top. Bad owners beget bad GMs, that beget bad head coaches that mean bad asst coaches and they get bad players (regardless of where they draft) and they field bad teams. I think you can show teams like Tampa, Chicago and Cleveland and Houston have squandered picks and are perpetually bad – top to bottom – because of who they are, and that while some teams recover from bad years with good picks and re-align like the Cowboys (despite, not because of Jones) – other teams have proven to be statistically incapable of it.

    The Chicago Bears and the Cleveland Browns are the two worst run NFL franchises with the Lions being right there. Rams and Niners have bad ownership, short term financial thinking mixed with undue alligeience to poor performers.

    • MB30SD

      hear here!

      I agree 100% 1…00…. %.

    • SC Dave

      Lovie Smith led competitive teams for the better part of a decade, which included a trip to the Super Bowl.

      • MB30SD

        stop. this. now.

        … 9-7, 7-9, 8-8, rinse re-peat. fuck that, it’s worse than sucking because there’s always (false) hope. Get to the SB, open with a fucking whole-field TD, then piss the entire fucking game away with abjectly TURRIBLE coaching. It’s the Lovie smith and jay cutler show.

        SAY NO TO ROLLER COASTER RIDES AND NAUSEA!

        • CanadaBear

          I agree with ya about being in limbo for years with Lovie. As much as I hate to admit it, Angelo/Lovie smoke Emery/Nessman and Pace/Fox. Hopefully Pace launches Fox. Unlike you, I could live with McCarthy for a while. It would be nice to have a HC that can help QB’s get better. I’ve totally given up on Fox. Still holding out hope for Pace (esp if he launches Fox).

          • MB30SD

            I can get down with that except, want nothing to do with mcCarthy. fat cunt.

            As for Fox, you and I are 100% there.

            I personally think Pace has been a pretty big badass and think he’s crushing it. With a good to great HC and his good to great assistants plus another pace draft and FA period, I think we’d easily be a contender next year.

          • CanadaBear

            The Bears have to figure out the QB position before I think they are contenders. I don’t like McCarthy all that much and don’t think he ever out smarts anyone but he can coach the QB’s up for sure.

          • Bender McLugh

            and one of those new Injury-Prevention Coaches. where do we land one o’ them

        • SC Dave

          To compare the Lovie era to Cleveland is insane, although I could have stated that explicitly.

          • MB30SD

            that wasn’t me. He was a fine coach… if you’re ok with being perpetually fine.

            I’d rather suck than constantly have false hope your 9-7, 8-8, 7-9 team will do anything. And when they ARE given the shot, you’re buffoonery single handedly throws the game away.

            Tis a sickness dave.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Mediocracy lulls teams into draft day complacency because coaches don’t want to admit their teams suck. That’s like looking in the mirror and calling you self ugly. It’s a problem.

          • MB30SD

            jes

      • Weed Superman (GP)

        Again the thesis of the paper should be the myth of the rebuilding year or years.

        It just does not work like that. Suck for Luck did not result in a top team, just a bad team that is getting Luck killed.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          I’ll bet you 1 Big Al’s Italian that hardly any coaching staffs survive the first 2 or 3 years of a rebuild. Fox probably got the HC job because he was expendable. He was the perfect candidate. Rebuilds have always taken 5 years with few exceptions.

          • Bender McLugh

            this is what we all thought on this here blog, if I remember correctly – Fox was a good bridge for a rebuild & the next HC

    • “Our family will own the Bears until the 2nd coming” – Virginia McCaskey, about 3 days ago.

      • Teddy Ballgame ‘We don’t sell wins to our advertisers’ about a month ago

  • MB30SD

    andy… did you just fucking say that we should hire Grimus to replace fox.

    Are you out of your fucking mind?!?!?!

    • Bender McLugh

      that was my first thought as well. not going to say it’s wrong though…..only expecting him to fix Cutty would be outright wrong.

      • MB30SD

        fuck both of those paths. No McFatty and no more cutty.

      • I think Andy was suggesting that Grimus would help shape the next QB.

        And if he helped groom Favre and Vadgers, that’s not a bad track record.

        I wonder if he helped get both.

        If he went to bat for both, saying he loved them, then obviously he has a good eye for QBs, and given how important the position is, I could understand wanting him (and his Os have been productive until last two seasons, in which they were still good, just not great).

        Match him up with a good DC (Fangio?), and he’s already proven he can win it all.

        Wanting to stick it to Rodgers and the Puke is an added bonus. We wouldn’t have to worry about him being motivated for those games (not to mention all the inside info he has on Rodgers and that team in general)

        Also, gotta remember that the Puke almost never splurge in FA, which angered McFatty.

        Perhaps with a few key additions, his roster and team is better.

        I would just have to see who else is available.

        Who would be preferable?

        Some college coach that is totally unproven?
        Another recycled HC like Coughlin?
        A promoted hot shot OC/DC (who again, is unproven)

        Obviously Harbs would be my first choice, but that aint’ happening.

        I could see the argument for McFatty as long as he’s paired with a stellar DC.

        • Bender McLugh

          Mike Tomlin. Won’t happen but he would be great I think. Agree on the QB grooming, that could be great for the next one under center for us. Still…..makes me want to punch things thinking of him as HC, much like when Hick Allen signed after leaving the Vikes.

          • The Steelers keep their HCs FOREVER.
            I think they’ve literally only have had like 3 coaches since the 70s.

            I don’t think Tomlin’s getting canned.

            Ted Thompson is ultimately responsible for Favre and Rodgers, but McCarthy could’ve loved them too, which shows good judgment at the most important position.

            At the very least he learned what to look for which the Bears desperately need.

  • MB30SD
    • Irish Sweetness

      Wow, surprising #1.

      Is Brett Hundley any good?

      • MB30SD

        Yeah, he was good at ucla

  • MB30SD

    I have a question for the board…

    I’m working from home today and I’m stuck on the couch with my laptop on my lap (hee hee) watching animal planet (I had on Big Cat Diary) but now it’s that show about cats terrorizing people. The one with that ugly dude with the terrible groomed beard.

    Anyway, my question is… why in THEE fuck would you own one of those disgusting things. My god, they are fucking HORRIBLE animals. yuck.

    • MB30SD
    • CanadaBear

      Cats are awesome. I had cats until I moved to Canada. Couldn’t have cats here because my Beloved Bride had a home-based photography biz and tons of people are allergic. Once you get away from pet hair you don’t want to go back. We’ve had a Bichon and two Havanese. The Havanese are super sweet and are like non-shedding cats. Same size as cats and almost as much attitude. Gotta love ’em.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      agree – cats are evil spawns of Satan.

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      Myles Garret, pls!!!

      • MB30SD

        is he a cat?

        • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

          HAHAHAHA, it should be in conversation above. :p

      • Irish Sweetness

        Shaw/Cutty + Garret. I’ll buy that.

    • Bender McLugh

      no way man, cats are awesome. (looks at cat nervously as I type…)

      Yes indeed, they are AWESOME and will NOT swallow your soul.

      • MB30SD

        Lies

        Oh, and all this time I didn’t know you were a woman

      • Sactowns#1

        My gf has two cats. I loath them. What their purpose or function is, I do not know.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Cats are cool.

      Have you seen the documentary ‘Rats’? After the NY bit at the start it gets better. The first 20 minutes is basically that there are shitloads of rats in NY. Quelle surprise. But then it goes global. The way rats investigate traps and poisons is brilliant. They send in a suicide-rat. They sit there watching one of them eat the poison. When they die they just ignore all the poison. The amounts and types of diseases is absolutely disgusting. Cover your bins!

  • MB30SD
    • CanadaBear

      If SF and Jax get their shit together, the Beloved could easily get to #2. Not sure they suck enough to jump ahead of the Factory of Sadness.

      • willbest

        You kind of want Cleveland drafting in front of you anyway. They seem to have a pretty good track record at selecting busts.

        • MB30SD

          exactly

      • MB30SD

        a girl can dream

      • Irish Sweetness

        I don’t think Trubisky would be a top pick by anyone other than us. We might be 3rd or 4th and get the top QB depending on the teams above us and whether they’re going with their starter.

  • willbest

    Brilliant!

    “Q: How do you slow Stefon Diggs?

    Bruce Arians: Put Patrick Peterson on him.

    Q: That your plan Sunday?

    BA: Oh yeah”

    https://twitter.com/Andrew_Krammer/status/798909542696415232

  • beninnorcal

    Hell no on the wholr McCarthy idea. Let’s just forget about that. Won’t Harbuagh want to come back to the NFL eventually?

    • CanadaBear

      I doubt it. Harbaugh is in the perfect place. He wears people out, big time!

      • Weed Superman (GP)

        Harbaugh played for Bo.

        He can be the new Bo. That means something to him.

        • Weed Superman (GP)

          I lived in Ann Arbor for 4 years. If I was rich and from sunny Cali, like Harbaugh’s wife is, A2 would grow fucking tiresome quick. It can be a midwest hellhole.

          It doesn’t help that Michigan women are the ugliest women in the Big 10, and it ain’t close. When Purdue has more babes than your school, your school is fugly. When Playboy would do their college issues, there was NEVER EVER a Michigan chick in it. Not that it matters to Ms. Harbaugh.

          I’m sure the family take a lot of Caribbean vacations.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            It’s a little different when they call you big daddy and you own the plantation.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            they are called recruiting trips, not vacations, got to be able to write it off.

          • willbest

            Ann Arbor is a bubble, though go more than 500 feet outside of it and you might as well be in central Illinois.

    • BerwynBomber

      Word was — at the time at least — that the only non-west coast move the Harbaugh family approved was UM. Also, would he wish to leave UM before winning a national title? And are his ties to the Bears all that considering his best years were spent with the Colts?

      Mind, I’m mostly playing devil’s advocate here. Give the guy the world and toss in a city like Chicago as the backdrop and those two things could change just about anyone’s mind. But I never viewed his interest as a sure thing either.

      • MB30SD

        he’s winning the title this year. BANK THAT SHIT.

        Maybe in 2 years he’ll be ready… after the new HC our pathetic “consultant” and that POS ted pick for us shits the bed… and UM is sick of his bullshit and is content with their 2 out of 3 titles in 3 years.

        THEN, jimmy will come home and lead us to the promise land.

        So it is written, so it will be.

  • Weed Superman (GP)
  • Weed Superman (GP)

    Brady mocks deflategate in Foot Locker ad

    http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/18063797/one-feed-test

    • MB30SD

      excellent!

    • Bender McLugh

      did you catch Bill Simmons’ skit he did with Michael Rappaport re: DeflateGate? Good stuff.

      • Weed Superman (GP)

        It was funny, ya. Maybe the best skit he did in the 8 shows he got to do.

  • Weed Superman (GP)

    MB/Waffle –

    What do you think of the Porsche autoshow prototype for the 2018 911?

    http://nseavoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/porsche-911-660×400.jpg

    • MB30SD

      Amazing.

    • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

      I want to rub my weenis on that .

    • That Guy

      What’s with the headlights? Is that a new style or unique to this model?

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      The front end reminds me of the bat mobile. Not crazy about it.

    • Looks kinda cool, but doesn’t look like a “porsche”

      Looks a lil like a shoe-horn

  • MB30SD

    WTF is wrong with people man. Just don’t get it: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/15/us/veteran-meal-restaurant-trnd/index.html

    • Bender McLugh

      when a man wearing a Donald Trump shirt
      interrupted his meal and challenged his service record, the veteran
      posted on his Facebook page.
      “He
      said he was in Germany, and that they did not let blacks serve over
      there,” Walker said, detailing what sparked Friday’s incident.

      Nothing to see here….move along.

      • WTF.

        So the US military doesn’t allow blacks into Germany, or the German military doesn’t allow blacks to serve in their military?

        Heil Trumpf!

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Oh I could go in about 10 different directions with that one. Better not. Pip pip.

          • I know the marines are racist (I have two cousins in it, and a close friend who was in Afghanistan), but I would think SOMEONE would notice no blacks in Germany! lol

            Actually, what my marine bud told me was kinda funny. He said that one of his black marine vets was getting married, and that the groom invited his skinhead marine bud to the wedding, and that the skinhead did indeed attend.

            I was like, “say what?”

            To which he just grinned and shrugged, “It’s hard to explain”.

          • Sauron’s right eyeball

            This is a crazy post. I am a marine and I had more black squad leaders and section leaders than white. Heck our company Gunny was black.

      • SC Dave

        So far, virtually every story on CNN about abuse from Trump supporters has proven to be false.

        • willbest

          This one might be legitimate. For starters it didn’t promptly disappear down the memory hole right after it was initially published. And I have run across Veterans that have not been bashful about questioning whether others are also veterans.

    • Make RedZone Conv% Great Again

      Dumb shit like that makes me angry…..but then you have to sue for money??

      “Walker’s attorney, Kim T. Cole, said they were trying to reach a resolution with the parent company of Chili’s.
      “At this point we are still in discussions with Brinker international — the parent company of Chili’s — and they have spoken directly with Mr. Walker via telephone and expressed their sincere apology for the incident that occurred,” she said. “And we’re working together to reach a resolution.”
      The manager losing his job is not enough, money has to change hands? Jesus.

      • willbest

        I am trying to figure out where the lawyer believes there is over $150,000 in damages.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Hahaha, this is Hilarious. Trump
    disclaimer for you pussycats out dare.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v7GEa7r8Vyk

    • willbest

      I look forward to a new found concern about
      1) Transparency
      2) the federal debt
      3) executive overreach
      4) The surveillance state
      5) Wall Street
      6) The hostilities in the 4 additional countries we are at war with since Bush left office

      (All of which I consider legitimate by the way and woefully lacking for the last 8 years)

      I found the rage over Steve Bannon to be rather ironic though since the only evidence that he is an anti-semite was what his wife said in a custody dispute and as we all know those accusations should be taken as gospel. Meanwhile, the likely new head of the DNC is former Nation of Islam member Keith Ellison.

      • Cormonster

        Wouldn’t it be awesome if Trump nominated Ron Paul or Rand Paul to head the Treasury Department? The reaction from all sides would be fascinating.

        • SC Dave

          That would be awesome!

        • or RuPaul!

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          Ron Paul is nothing more than what’s called “disclosure”. If I tell you I’m selling you a car with no engine, you have no recourse if you still write the check.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Go Giants!

    We’re on the Trubisky Train! TOOT TOOT!

    • Huge Bears Penis

      disappointing…. rooting for the other team to win. I don’t understand how fans can do that.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s not rooting. It’s knowing they’re going to kick our ass and not caring. I don’t want to pick 12th when I can pick 4th. And if you’re looking for a QB ….

        Well how about Hundley?

  • Weed Superman (GP)
    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      If a player shares locker room info, they should be man enough to have their names revealed and a reporter that uses anonymous quotes, ain’t no reporter.

      • BerwynBomber

        Meh. Most investigative reporting wouldn’t be worth spit if anonymous sources weren’t used.

        • Sauron’s right eyeball

          There’s a difference between using “anonymous sources” and using “anonymous quotes”.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair point. Sloppy read on my part.

    • Gotta hate turnover prone players, no matter what. Turnovers are just so demoralizing, esp stupid ones like the ones Jay commits. They also spark up the other team, which would explain how a shitty Bucs team who haven’t won at home in forever can beat the Bears by 26.

      Like the article said, Lach and Briggs and Bears fans loved NeckBeard cuz he was scrappy and didn’t turn over the ball, nvm his 58% completion rate.

      From Cuttybacker #3 (Only behind Waffle and Jeff)

      “It isn’t just that Hoyer threw for more yards and didn’t throw
      interceptions — or, really, even come close to throwing an
      interception — he threw touchdowns at a better rate than Cutler and his
      yards per attempt is nearly the same. ”

      In these situations, we gotta ask ourselves WWBD:

      What would Bill do?

      I think we all know that answer.

      I don’t think everyone in that locker room hates Jay, only the ones who care about winning.

      • Weed Superman (GP)

        #BratwurstOnTheGrill

  • BerwynBomber

    McCarthy is an intriguing idea. Not sure about the Rodgers mechanics stuff — for all his smug, bitch-face-ness, Rodgers strikes me as Peyton-like smarts guy who would have thrived anywhere — but McCarthy certainly kept Favre’s TOs to a minimum in the latter’s last couple of years. Plus, he seems a solid leader who has the respect of his players, and ran a good player development program while at GB, and the latter is no small thing, especially when you make the post-season every year and are forced into late round picks in the draft.

    The negatives of McCarthy? Well, we could be getting another version of Martz, which is to say, a very smart offensive mind whose stuck on a scheme that he tries to jam into any situation, regardless of personnel. (That seems to be one of the issues that is hurting the Cheese the last two years.) Also, McCarthy’s late game decision-making can be baffling. He seems to get liberal when he should be conservative, and conservative when he should be liberal.

    But hey, if we are indeed drafting Kaaya, McCarthy might be a pretty good choice as an HC who can develop a QB.

    But here’s one other element for those who believe (as I do) that the Pox marriage was somewhat of the shotgun variety forced by Acorsi and Phillips. Would Pace — if he truly has the choice this time — really want to hire a huge presence/former HC/proven track record guy again who will again dominate Halas Hall the way Fox has? Not sure. Given his choice, Pace might prefer more of an equal — a young coordinator type looking for his first HC gig. You know, an Adam Gase type.

    P.S.Don’t look now but Gase has MIA at 5-4. Nothing earth-shattering but he may not be a total HC bust either.

    • And we also must remember that Thompson doesn’t give him FAs

      Where would the Bears be without McPhee, Hicks, Freeman, Trevathan, Porter, Sitton, Miller, or even lower end guys like Unrein, Royal, Massie?

      That’s a scary scenario.

      Not sure about the Martz comp.

      From what I’ve seen, McCarthy’s system is not archaic. It doesn’t call for 7 step drops with all world Oline, RB, WRs.

      In fact, it’s quite the opposite.

      The GB Oline is constantly in flux, they never had a good run game (except maybe Starks in the playoff run), and as such he wants to get the ball out quick, but by most reports, Vadgers is too in love with himself trying to hit that deep ball to make ESPN highlights.

      • BerwynBomber

        GB most often uses three wide static sets — very little motion, rub-routing, zone flooding, etc. — that is based on receivers winning one on one battles. That’s okay when you have BMarsh/Alshon/Uni/Forte, or even Jordy and Cobb in their primes, but when your receivers regress and/or are average, it can be tough to rely on. Plus, there has been talk that McCarthy has over relied on Rodgers playing sandlot ball — because the former’s schemes aren’t working — to bail them out. For years.

        The only caution about their player development is on the offensive side of the ball. I’m of the mind when you have an elite QB (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson) those dudes serve as one man development programs themselves.

        • Yeah, I don’t really like the 3WR as a base set. But how much of that is because they didn’t have a good oline or RB? (this year, NO rb).

          I prefer the run-based approach, though if you have the right QB, the 3WR set can work.

          I would actually compare McCarthy more to Trestman in that they both prefer airing it out over running even in short yardage situation.

        • SC Dave

          Wilson does not count as elite to me.

      • Big Mike

        They are 2-7. Couldn’t be much worse.

  • Weed Superman (GP)
  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Should China become more involved in Internet governance? I wonder when every country will be able to enforce their laws on a citizen in the U.S. typing away in their living room? It’s a coming….

    For instance, a person in the Phillipines can be arrested for criticizing their King.

  • Interesting insight coming from two guys who have played on the Da Bears and with Cutler.

    http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bears/if-there-are-frustrations-jay-cutler-inside-bears-locker-room-they-arent-first

    • Weed Superman (GP)

      Way to repost an article I did (and you responded to)

      https://imgflip.com/i/1eaenr

      • ah, I thought posted the Brigg/Rashied Davis segment.

        Guess not.

        So, everyone, just get past the mustachioed one.

        • Weed Superman (GP)

          Question:

          If you played the Broncos D instead of Bears D, you beat Shady and are 9-1.

          Why oh why did you play the Bears D?

          • NO at home has been LETHAL. They didn’t go crazy, but they did put up yds and points.

            In our league, a blocked FG returned for a TD is worth 12 points!

            So if it wasn’t for that very last play, they would’ve scored like 2-3 points, but def not 14 or the 10 I needed.

            I think that’s the first blocked FG returned for a TD all season, and the last I can remember since forever.

            I also didn’t expect Cutler to become Bortles vs that Bucs D.

            Cargo fucked me. That Conte pick 6 and saftey counted against my D! Asshole!

            Thems are the breaks I guess.

          • EnderWiggin

            Last weeks poll you posted is 4 – 0 in favor for the bidding waiver wire. I like the format. Bidding is not only more fair, it adds another dynamic to a season that gets a little stale for some.

          • Yeah, I kinda like the extra dimension too.

            I don’t know what’s worse, paying $6 for Alex Smith, then him sinking my team, or knowing that I could’ve got him for $1 cuz no one else bid on him.

            Also have no clue how others value certain players, or if they’re bidding for immediate need or down the line flyer.

            I had to choose between Prosise or Rawls, but I figured since it’s likely I’m gonna make the playoffs, I went for the higher upside RB towards the end, sacrificing this wk.

            I think I’m keeping this waiver wire format.

    • Huge Bears Penis

      great article I am glad someone finally posted it.

  • Sauron’s right eyeball

    Who the heck is Mama June in the Blog add section? I’m afraid to Google her. She looks like she has a ferocious apetite.

    • MB30SD

      Boo boo reality TV

      Just some fat redneck pig… Or like 75% of your state. Baaaahahahahhaa.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        Too much fried gator I think.

  • Big Mike

    Man, I wish the Bears didn’t suck.

    • BuddhaJoe

      Could be good sooner than we think though. This could be like the shitty last year of Juaron/Lovie’s first year before it came together. The front 7 looks pretty damn good, the O line looks pretty good, and they’ve got a running game, and what could be a good receiving corps.

      • Agree.

        The secondary def needs upgrading, but it’s hard for any team to withstand 4 TOs and come out on top.

        • BuddhaJoe

          You’re probably right, but I wonder how much of that is inexperience as well. Darius Slay in Detroit looked kinda crappy his first couple of years and is now regarded as one of the better CBs in the league. It’s possible they just need more time, Porter is the only veteran guy out there.

          • It’s hard to say, but Porter who gets grilled here for whatever reason has been basically blanketing #1s all season, and he’s gone up against some good ones, like Evans.

            But he’s getting older.

            Callahan seems promising, but he’s always hurt.

            And who the heck knows about Fuller, Houston, Hall, Quartely?

            Floyd, Young, Mcphee, Freeman, Tre are gonna be staples in the LB corps.

            Goldman, Hicks for the Dline.

            But secondary?

            Outside of Amos and maybe Porter, we really have no clue.

            One week guys like Bausby look good, next week like trash.

          • BuddhaJoe

            I think the Porter hate comes from a few high profile gaffes, but I agree, he’s been pretty damn solid for the most part. Not a Bausby fan and haven’t seen enough of Hall obviously. But if even a few of those guys can blossom then that could be scary with their pass rush.

          • BerwynBomber

            Porter held Evans in check for the majority of the game. No small thing. I thought he was third best Bears player Sunday — after Floyd and Howard. Porter has always struck me as a poor man’s DeAngleo Hall. He’ll occasionally get toasted, his RS skills aren’t all that but he is a pure cover playmaker.

            I’m still not sold on Amos, even though the Blog loves him.

            Callahan looks like the true keeper of the young guys, though like you, I’m intrigued by Fuller. But piggybacking off SCD’s point, there could be long-term durability issues with each.

            P.S. Whatever happened to Hall? Is the still dinged?

          • Both Amos and Porter are solid starters.

            Can always upgrade them, but they’re not killing us.

            It’s the rest of the secondary that is extremely inconsistent, and that may be due to all the injuries and shuffling of personnel back there.

            Callahan def makes a difference, but can’t quite stay on the field.

            He reminds me of spunky Graham back in the days.

          • willbest

            I am starting to come around on Irish’s thinking on Porter. He is just too slow. He shouldn’t be on the young speedsters or the #1. We are in desperate need of a #1 CB

          • Porter shouldn’t go up solo on guys like TY Hilton or ODB.

            That’s nuts.

            But which CB can cover those guys one on one?

            Porter did a pretty good job on guys like Hopkins, Jordy Nelson, Allen Robinson, Evans, Tate/Marvin Jones, mostly one-on-one following them around.

            Add that our pass rush was really hot-cold b4 McPhee returned, and Floyd came on, and that Porter was a little nicked, that’s not too shabby.

            But he’s older and is only going to get slower and more inj prone, so I wouldn’t mind a higher ceiling prospect.

            But we gotta find out about LeBlanc, Bausby, Fuller, Callahan, Hall first.

          • willbest

            As a Hopkins owner, I have to believe I could cover him the way Oz is throwing it.

          • Yeah, I feel ya, but Hopkins still gets targeted.

            He had 13 targets last week for 5 catches and 48 yds.

            Sounds horrible, but Oz only threw for 99 yds, so Hopkins was responsible for 48% of the passing yds!

          • Huge Bears Penis

            Hopkins does not like the downward trajectory of Oz’s passes.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Glenn and Hall were shutting guys down in PS. Shutting them DOWN. Josh Gordon got closed down by Glenn. Pace fired him.

            Porter just lets guys run by him, because he can’t do anything about it.

          • BerwynBomber

            Most teams are in the same desperate need. Except DEN. Whose #3 could be a fair number of team’s #1.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He should be playing in the middle like a safety. He’s done.

          • Irish Sweetness

            How is Porter a solid starter when HE CANNOT RUN?

          • BuddhaJoe

            Amos isn’t a ballhawk but he makes the tackles and mostly stays in position and doesn’t blow it. Porter is like you said, mostly solid.

          • BerwynBomber

            I find Amos’s coverage skills sorely lacking, but hey, different strokes and he is young.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If people watched pre-season games, then they would have opinions on Hall, instead, they bitch about pre-season, and then offer up opinions not having seen the four games, and say this player and that player sucks when they’ve never even watched them play. That sucks.

          • SC Dave

            Callaghan looks like the best one, but as a midget I suspect he will remain always hurt

          • BuddhaJoe

            I still have hope for Fuller. He started out good, then sucked, then was improving again, so I’m hoping they activate him instead of White if he’s healthy. Probably not though since Pace will want White out there I think.

          • BerwynBomber

            Irish does most of the Porter grilling. I’m guessing cause he stands in the way of some guy’s pending fame from the practice squad.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No, because he’s slow as shit, and you’re all too drunk to notice.

    • They weren’t ever blown out like that under Hoyer.

      Just sayin…

      https://media.giphy.com/media/RL0xU1daTlMoE/giphy.gif

      • BuddhaJoe

        Jesus dude Hoyer fucking blows, there’s a reason this is his 5th team. Cutler’s gonna be gone, but that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t suck ass too . McCown had a not-shitty stretch for a few games too, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a bum overall.

        • SC Dave

          Jesus dude, Hoyer threw for 300 yards and zero turnovers for 4 games

          • BuddhaJoe

            The lack of turnovers was nice unlike the 4 INT game he had last year when it counted. But he sucked throwing more than a few yards downfield and played way too conservative. A game “manager” that managed to lose to freaking Jacksonville. You don’t have to like Cutler to realize he sucks too.

          • MB30SD

            Sigh

          • BuddhaJoe

            Ha, I feel the opposite way, trying to tell people that a poor man’s Orton does indeed suck ass like he shows on tape, and 4 other teams saw before this.

          • BerwynBomber

            Please. Hoyer is better than Orton ever was. I get you hate the former as a threat to Cutty, but he’s a step up from Orton. Numbers bear it out. Even when you factor in passing progress of the game.

          • BuddhaJoe

            I’m actually really torn on that, because as much as I’ve defended Cutler it’s not because I think he’s great, it’s because of the criticisms I saw as idiotic. I’ve talked with you about wanting to draft a QB high because he probably isn’t the answer. But, I’ve reacted to people who are saying Hoyer or McCown (or Hanie) are better, which is just idiotic.

            Although I’d have to say that Orton was indeed better than Hoyer, he never had the shitty games that Hoyer had. Just lucky Hoyer didn’t have them with us.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Absolute shite. Numbers do not and cannot tell the full story on QBs. Was Hoyer better than Kenny Stabler (75.3)? Orton? They had higher ratings, are they better?

          • Poor man Ortons?

            How many 300 yd games did Orton have? Was his QB rating in the 120s? Did he spread the ball around and make nobodies like Meredith gain back to back 100 yd games? Did he hit 70% rate (hint, Orton’s was 58%) in his first 4 games? How many 95+TD drives did he have? All this while taking less sacks and throwing ZERO INTs.

            I love Orton, but Orton is a poorman’s Hoyer.

            Orton’s biggest plus was that he didn’t turn it over.

            Hoyer does that, and then some.

          • willbest

            Kyle Orton 21-12 as Bears starting QB
            Brian Hoyer 1-4 as Bears starting QB.

          • BerwynBomber

            So Orton was better than Cutler too, right? Given his W/L?

          • willbest

            Amusingly my thought on the Cutler trade all the way back in 2009 was “why not use those picks to get an O-line and a WR”. But I thought it wasn’t a bad trade, and I still don’t. Although Orton didn’t do too horribly in Denver before being relegated to backup status around the league.

          • BerwynBomber

            I was ok with the trade but I was also, at best, guarded in my optimism. The whole childish McDaniels/Cutler teenage girl spat soured me a bit on both of them.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The jury is in however, we got hosed. We won nothing – didn’t come close – and so we got hosed.

          • willbest

            We weren’t going to win with whatever Angelo uses those picks for anyway.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Different. Name a pass and a situation.

          • BuddhaJoe

            Umm, you remember who was on the team at WR when Orton was there? Brandon Lloyd and Devin Hester? He had a way better win % and could throw a few more yards downfield than Hoyer, and that was to way worse guys.

          • He had a better win % cuz that was arguably the best D in the NFL, not cuz he was a great QB.

            Why do you think the Bears traded him away, and he became a career backup?

            BTW, that was a mistake. Orton wins more games for us than Cutler precisely because he doesn’t throw it to the other team, but he’s still inferior to Hoyer.

          • BuddhaJoe

            The D was far from elite by then, you’re telling me you don’t remember? Wait, I’m arguing with a guy who’s defending a QB who was cut by THE FUCKING BROWNS. Why did I even try? Seriously, you’re pretty astute but you have this crazy stick up your ass about Hoyer and it makes zero sense.

          • yeah, cuz the Browns are so stellar in choosing right QBs?

            If you can’t see that Hoyer in the few games was better than Orton ever was, you got Cutty goggles on.

            I’ll link you to the stats if you want.

            But why bother, you’re still defending Cutler, so obviously you’re not rational.

          • BuddhaJoe

            First of all it doesn’t have to be one or the other, I want them to draft a new QB and be done with all of this shit, but that doesn’t mean I have to sugarcoat Hoyer’s suckitude. Second of all the stats have to be tempered with other factors like I mentioned before. Orton was QB when those idiots still though Hester was a number 1 receiver and they had guys like Brandon Lloyd. Hoyer had Alshon, Meredith and Royal so the stats are better because they got yards after the catch. However, I tortured myself watching all of those and Orton was clearly better, althoug I admit that ain’t saying much.

          • I SAW Orton play. SO I remember the stats in perspective.

            His best year in CHI .
            58% completion rate. Tebowesque.
            12INTs
            12TDs
            QB rating 79.6

            In only 4 games Hoyer
            70%
            O INTs
            6TDs
            QB rating 100.

            All the other stuff is more or less irrelevant. Did Hoyer have better weapons? Merdith and Miller aren’t exactly household names.

            Also, this is his first year here, while Orton was with the Bears already a few years.

            But the stats aren’t even close. Nor the eye test.

          • willbest

            I wasn’t around for 2013 but did you have the same hard on for McCown’s statistical aberration?

            What in the holy hell about Hoyer’s entire football career leads you to believe he is going to
            a) replicate his tiny ass sample size in terms of yardage here in Chicago and
            b) Solve his problem with being the worst QB in the league in terms of red zone efficiency?

          • willbest

            It was 18 TDs btw on his best year

          • Irish Sweetness

            That’s beyond irrelevant a s a comparison. Cherry picking in the extreme..

            1. Miller hasn’t dropped a pass since 201
            2. Meredith is our best reciver talent-wise.
            3. Hoyer won one game. Orton led us to 10-6 his rookie year
            4. The eyeball test??? The eyeball test says Hoyer is a joke he’;s that bent on not throwing interceptions. He’s the EXACT opposite of Cutty. You will lose with Hoyer, but never win. Lots of fancy yardage and numbers that mean nothing.

          • Huge Bears Penis

            +10 for using suckitude!

          • willbest

            I am convinced Butch either bottoms for Hoyer, or is his agent. NTTAWWT

          • Irish Sweetness

            “If you can’t see that Hoyer in the few games was better than Orton ever was, you got Cutty goggles on.”

            That’s just crazy, and wrong. And you’re cherry-picking. You take Hoyer’s games this season, ion which he only won one of them by the way, and never once looked like winning a game or making a pass he needed to. And lest ye all forget, Joerdan Howard is responsible for Hoyer’s numbers. Every run averaged over 6 yards, and every second pass went Howard’s way – it all went through Howard.

          • BerwynBomber

            Upvoted you for the reason for Neckbeard’s W/L % but I don’t know if he was Mr. non-TO, unless he was only passing it a dozen times a game.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ???

            The Bears traded him away to get Cutler. They made the wrong move. Ditto when they got rid of Brandon.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, I’m not as pro-Hoyer as you, but he is obviously better than Neckbeard.
            Neckbeard was arguably a step below McCown, though I’d have to think on that one. Hoyer, OTOH, is close to Cutler, even if a vastly different type of QB. Orton was nowhere near that level.

          • willbest

            McCown is better than Hoyer.

          • BerwynBomber

            By what metric? PR? QBR? W/L?

            Pretty sure Hoyer leads him in all three.

          • willbest

            By Butch’s taking a players best season as a Bear metric.

            McCown had a passer rating of 109 and a QBR of 85, Hoyer 98 and 64 respectively.

            And then there is the all important bank account indicator.

          • BerwynBomber

            Nah, gotta look at a guy’s career. Hoyer’s been the better QB than either Orton or Neckbeard. Mind, I’m not as high on him as Butch and SCD, but he is a superb backup and probably one of the best journeymen in the league.

            Orton and McCown were more average in that regard. Their efficiency #s were always meh, except for that freakish year McCown had in ’13.

          • willbest

            Hoyer’s 1200 yards, 6 TDs, and 0 INTs was freakish for him. Which is why I find the idea that rolling with him next year completely distasteful.

            When he starts doing his 230 yards per game, 1.4 TD per game, .8 INT while still not being able to throw more than 15 yards down the field, we won’t even have the hope Indy/Jags provided.

          • BerwynBomber

            Even before starting for the Bears, his career passer rating was only a few points beneath Cutler’s. And Hoyer started a majority of his games for the dumpster fire that is the Browns.

            In terms of next year, he works as a bridge guy and I don’t see Cutty offering much more than that either. So Hoyer saves you a ton of bucks.

            Personally, I would rather see Glennon or Foles get a shot at that role, but ultimately next year will be about treading water/mentoring.

          • willbest

            I would rather see Glennon or Foles too. Glennon hasn’t had a fair shake, and Foles had a pro-bowl year in there once.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No he hasn’t been better. He can’t throw the ball on medium routes. Hoyer won a single game for us. Yardage means shit. Wins are the only thing that matter, and a guy like Hoyer just can’t make the throws. It AMAZES me that there are people suggesting he stay with us.

          • willbest

            pro-football reference has career PR
            Orton’s career passer rating is 81.2
            Hoyer’s 84.8
            McCown’s 78

            So we aren’t talking about massive separation, career QBR would take too much work.

            Orton at 42-40 has pretty much the same record as Hoyer at 16-15 although the former is more tested. McCown’s is shit at 18-41 but that kid has been a magnet for awful teams.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m surprised Orton’s is that high. So good on you for that stat.

            In terms of the six point difference between McCown and Hoyer that is bordering on sizeable.

            Keep in mind too that Cutler’s is only 85.7, so he and Hoyer are separated by less than a point.

          • willbest

            Cutler’s problem is finding a coach that can manage him to minimize the stupid. The other guy’s problem is ability. Which is why Cutler kills coaches and those other guys shuffle around from team to team

          • BerwynBomber

            The one thing that we know has worked is to either minimize or completely eliminate Cutty’s ability to audible. Shanahan, Martz and Gase all did that and it is no coincidence that Cutler had his best years with them.
            I have no idea what the audible protocol is under Loggains but I would not be surprised if Cutler has more authority again, hence the poorer results.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Did Hoyer go 10-6 as a rookie starter? Has he ever even attempted a difficult pass.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Jim mcMahon’s rating was 78. Would anyone suggest that he was not an infinitely superior QB to all the above? Who uses ratings to say who was better. I have no idea what Montana’s rating was. If another QB has a higher rating it doesn’t mean they’re a better QB, it’s just a metric.

          • willbest

            Its hard to compare QB’s across generations. Marino would have Madden numbers if he played in this decade.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Eyeball. Brian Hoyer can’ty make 15 yard throws downfield. He can’t make difficult throws downfield for first downs. He only threw high percentage passes that gain yardage until you have to make a throw that’s tricky. Can’t do it. He was still losing games doing that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Oh Jesus. Orton is way better than Hoyer. He holds the NFL record for completions to a receiver in the same game. Hoyer’s records would be for things that are not good.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And lost them, unable to connect on crucial third downs that Howard wasn’t involved in, or on any pass route longer than 15 yards. Hoyer is terrible.

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      • willbest

        This thing where you ignore the bitch slapping the team got in week 3 is somewhat troubling.

        • BerwynBomber

          Best team in the NFC though; in fact, only team that seems near their level (at the moment) is SEA.

          • willbest

            Sure, but I think its safe to say that the team the Bears fielded in week 3 or week 10 would have a tough time against Alabama.

          • BerwynBomber

            Not in W10. Howard had a very efficient game and the D was stellar for a half.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He won a game. A game.

    • Johnnywad

      Being a Bears fan is hard work. I feel like I’ve had another football season taken from me. On top of that, the “rebuild” is looking more like a demolition. I’m out of juice for these Bears.

      • Big Mike

        Exactly.

  • BuddhaJoe

    No to McCarthy. I’d rather give Fangio a shot so they don’t lose him to somebody else. I was skeptical of him but it’s looking like the D is turning the corner even with the holes. Somebody earlier said Tomlin, and unlikely as that may be be, I’d jump on that opportunity if it was presented.

  • Cormonster

    I couldn’t name a Leonard Cohen song besides Hallelujah until I heard Tedeschi Trucks do an incredible version of Bird on a Wire at a show last year. After an 8 hour concert with 6 really good bands, this song stuck with me the most. Here’s a really good recording of that song from last night.

    Susan Tedeschi is a fucking powerhouse singer. I guess you have to be if you’re gonna front a 12 piece band with an immense sound.

    • That Guy

      Tori Amos has a nice cover of Famous Blue Raincoat. Worth checking out if you like her stuff.

    • That Guy

      http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/11/30-great-covers-of-leonard-cohen-songs-that-arent-hallelujah/full-post/

      This is a pretty solid list. I hadn’t heard a lot of these, but its a nice mix.

    • CanadaBear

      I would love to hear a hard rock band cover The Future. It’s such a dark song and has the potential to rock furiously. If you’ve seen natural Born Killers it’s the song that runs during the credits. Gotta give Oliver Stone credit for choosing the perfect song.

  • Sactowns#1

    How you can ever blame the D for giving up on that game is beyond me. They kept it close until the second half, when captain safety showed up.

    • What happens when a QB starts turning it over like Cargo is that Ds start pressing, taking more chances, and as such, giving up bigger plays.

      That’s kinda what happened Sun.

      P.S. Set ur FF lineup!

      P.S.S. sent you a trade offer that might help.

      P.S.S.S. Afflect was the bomb in phantoms!

      • Sactowns#1

        Oh I’m setting my lineup, don’t you worry. As for your trade offer, it intrigues me. I shall review it again and make a determination.
        Phantoms- so forgettable I had to google it. Still coming in at 13% on the tomato meter.

    • willbest

      Captain safety showed up when after the D gave up a 94 yard drive. Don’t get me wrong the offense was dogshit, and it took a miracle to be down only one score, but the D could have kept them in it long enough for Jay to find his nut sack.

      • SC Dave

        No, since Cutler never did

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, even if you erase Cutty’s TOs, he still had a piss poor game. Absolutely lifeless offense. Against the league’s 28th ranked D.

          Hoyer would have been murdered on here for … having a good game against such a team.

          • Bucs D literally gave up 1,000 yds combined in previous 2 games.

            And snapped an 11 home game losing streak.

            ELEVEN.

          • willbest

            Its 2016. These things been happening.

          • MB30SD

            Smh

    • BuddhaJoe

      Cutler still has to be the goat for that game, but the D left too many opportunities on the field to avoid at least a share of the blame. They got pressure but too many times guys were bouncing off of Winston like pinballs. They let him run 20 yards back into the end zone and gave up a 60 yard bomb, then a 40 yard TD bomb on the next play. Right after halftime.

      I still say they’re turning the corner but that’s the kind of shit they have to clean up.

      • SC Dave

        They did not get any luck on bounces tho. A different trajectory or three on bounces could have evened up the turnover count a lot

      • Irish Sweetness

        The offense got two yards in the second half.

        Question: how does a defense overcome the tiredness when they’re on the field all the time? Four three-and-outs in a row in the second half.

  • BearDown100393

    9-7

    It was just one unfortunate game.

    New York is all that matters for now.

  • willbest
  • BerwynBomber
    • Terrell Owens MUST get in.

      Dude played on a broken leg in the SB and still got 9 recs and 120 yds vs Pats.

      That’s balling.

      • BerwynBomber

        It’s the Albert Belle/Barry Bonds-treatment, which always reveals the press to be self-righteous, sanctimonious petty pricks.

        • AlbertInTucson

          The press has no say in the NFL HOF selections.

          The NFL has their own, self-righteous committee to handle snubs.

          • BerwynBomber

            There are press guys on the committee, but point taken.

        • I think there’s a HUGE difference between cheating and being a douche though.

          It’s arguable Bond’s had HOF resume B4 the roids, so I can see that, but cheating in my book eliminates a lot of players.

      • Sauron’s right eyeball

        I agree with you. I only objected to him being a first ballot finalist. He deserved to hang on the vine for a year.

    • SC Dave

      I’d say Tomlinson is the most obvious pick.

      Personally, don’t think Jimmy Johnson belongs. Between too short a career as HC and Minnesota handing him a dynasty… no, couldn’t vote for him.

  • willbest
    • AlbertInTucson

      Porcello was 22-4 with 3.14 ERA. for a contender.

      “Mr. Upton” was 16-9 with a 3.04. For an also ran.

      Verlander shouldn’t have even been in the discussion.

      She should stick to swimsuits and lingerie.

      • MB30SD

        yes. she. should.

  • AlbertInTucson

    As if Cutler’s day wasn’t bad enough.

    If he puts that shovel pass in Lasike’s chest, where it should have been, instead of at his ankles, where he DID put it, 2 things happen:

    1) Lasike scores, easily

    and

    2) Long does NOT get rolled up on.

    • BerwynBomber

      And as some noted afterward, his worst pass of the day may have been the potential INT that Alshon broke up.

      Ah well. Given Jay’s history, I expect him to have a decent game against NYG to get us all hot and bothered about his aging “potential”.

      • AlbertInTucson

        SMH.

      • Johnnywad

        I don’t think so. That last game felt like the final straw to me. That was his worst showIng in a long time. It’s time to move on. And I’ve been a pretty big Cutler fan. Shaw can stay because he’s unknown. If they want to keep Hoyer to mentor an early draft choice, that makes sense. But there HAS to be a plan in place to move forward.

  • AlbertInTucson

    A guy in our league 0-10.

    THAT takes some luck.

    All bad.

    Now he IS at the bottom of the league in points scored but he’s also #1 in points scored against.

    • Sauron’s right eyeball

      I have the most pourus D in da blog league with 1 sucky QB and a very shaky bench.

      • The thing with going WR/WR is that you have to guess right on the later HBs, or pick a good HB up off the wire or inj.

        You’re lacking good HBs esp since DJ Anderson went down.

        Hmmmm…

        I sent you a trade proposal.

  • Huge Bears Penis

    I want to settle the debates on QBs once and for all. ALL OUR CURRENT AND PREVIOUS QBS HAVE SUCKED ASS!!!! You guys are just debating who has been the shiniest TURD!!!! Done! I win and no one can dispute it!

    • willbest

      You are throwing Sid Luckman under the bus? What the hell is wrong with you?

      • Huge Bears Penis

        He is DEAD who cares. If he does not like it he can haunt me.

      • BerwynBomber

        Luckman was awesome. The undisputed GOAT of Bears QBs. And basically throwing something that was damn near a soccer ball. Go Sid!

    • BerwynBomber

      Only non-expansion team that might compare in the modern era would be the Lions, right? Even the Browns had their Sipe and Kosar years.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Somebody who left college with 70 NCAA records and then wins us a Lombardi … in no way sucks ass.

      • Huge Bears Penis

        nope he sucks too. Hell he doesn’t know where he is half the time. so if he does not like it tell him to come find me, then wait 15 minutes and he will forget.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Looking at all these posts on Hoyer is disheartening. Do you all put that much stock in QB ratings?

    Numbers do not and cannot tell the full story on QBs. Was Hoyer better
    than Kenny Stabler (75.3)? Orton? They had higher ratings, are they
    better QBs? I think Mac was a 75 too. Are they better than him?

    • Huge Bears Penis

      Hoyer is a poor man’s version of Alex Smith, or a middle class version of Craig Krenzel. Mac was basically Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson a decent QB on a team with a historically great Defense. All the old 1985 Bears fans jizz their pants thinking about him did but really it was all about the D on the team.

      • SC Dave

        Didn’t hurt having a guy named Walter running behind the best oline in football either.

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