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Across The Middle: Mock Mock Draft 2.0

| April 6th, 2016

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Here we go again. My first mock mock draft came before free agency started, which means there have been a ton of changes, especially at the top of the draft and with the Bears.

What I don’t have is changes at the very top. I think the Titans and Browns are pretty much locked into who they are going to take and both picks make a lot of sense. After that, however, it’s anyone’s guess.

By now, the Bears are likely keying in on a handful of players they either want to take at 11 or will try to trade back. I did a “big board” a couple weeks ago, but this is very fluid. If I did that again, there would be several changes.

Before I get to the mock draft, here are a few things to keep in mind:

• If you’re wondering why I might have a player going much higher than I did last time, it’s because I’m not putting too much thought in this. Nobody knows what is going to happen, everyone is guessing and probably guessing wrong. Except me. I promise I have every pick right.

• I don’t follow the Twitter consensus on this stuff. I have a handful of guys who I read regularly, most of whom are former NFL scouts like Greg Gabriel and Louis Riddick or legitimate media guys who speak directly to NFL scouts.

So, here we go:

1. Tennessee Titans: Laremy Tunsil, OT, Mississippi. They can move Taylor Lewan to right tackle and have one of the best offensive lines in the league.

2. Cleveland Browns: Carson Wentz, QB, One of the Dakotas or maybe Montana. Like I said last time, Hue Jackson has a thing for gingers.

3. San Diego Chargers: Jalen Ramsey, DB, Florida St. Considered one of the best players in the draft and could replace Eric Weddle. Seems too easy.

4. Dallas Cowboys: Jared Goff, QB, California. I don’t believe anything Jerry Jones says, so I definitely think a quarterback is an option here and Goff would be a fit.

5. Jacksonville Jaguars: Myles Jack, LB, UCLA. Jack to Jacksonville makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels. That is most basic draft pick explanation I can write. I hope you enjoyed it.

6. Baltimore Ravens: DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon. The Ravens usually draft defensive players and Buckner is a good fit. They don’t have a stud up front.

7. San Francisco 49ers: Josh Doctson, WR, TCU. Chip Kelly believes in loading up on receiving options (drafted four in first 3 rounds in Philly) and the 49ers are currently very short there. Doctson doesn’t have many flaws.

8. Philadelphia Eagles: Vernon Hargreaves, CB, Florida. Some consider him to be the best cover corner in the draft.

9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio St. I don’t know how I ended up with Bosa dropping this far. Shit happens. I have heard some concerns about his ability to rush the passer in the NFL.

10. New York Giants: Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson. They invested a lot in their defensive line in the offseason, but I don’t see a reason why they wouldn’t continue to add players. When they were at their best they had a steady rotation of pass-rushers.

11. Chicago Bears: Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State. The Bears have two attractive options here. 1. They can trade this pick to Miami, which desperately needs a running back. 2. Take the best player on their board, likely Elliott. I think they’ll go with the second option because they need to take the best player and worry about positional value later. They have familiarity with Elliott (Stan Drayton coached him at Ohio State), he gives them an explosive playmaker and both Ryan Pace and John Fox come from organizations that have invested in the position early numerous times. I think an argument can also be made that the Bears have the coaching staff to do more with less on defense, as long as the cupboard isn’t completely bare. Last year they showed they can find good defensive talent later in the draft.

12. New Orleans Saints: A’Shawn Robinson, DL, Alabama. Robinson will immediately help one of the worst run defenses in the league and he has some upside as a pass-rusher.

13. Miami Dolphins: William Jackson III, Houston. WJIII has a lot of talent and can step in immediately. With quality coaching, he could be a star.

14. Oakland Raiders: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame. This might be a bit low for Stanley, but there seems to be some questions about his attitude and physicality. The Raiders could start him at right tackle and have him replace Donald Penn in the near future.

15. St. Louis Rams: Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State. The Rams have said they need to improve their quarterback position…and have also said they don’t. Whatever, they need a quarterback.

16. Detroit Lions: Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State. The Lions need to get tougher up front and Conklin will do just that for them.

17. Atlanta Falcons: Darron Lee, LB, Ohio State. Lee would add some more speed to Atlanta’s defense. It’s no secret that they’ve been trying to upgrade their linebackers, losing out to the Bears on both Trevathan and Freeman.

18. Indianapolis Colts: Emmanuel Ogbah, Edge, Oklahoma State. The Colts just need more talent on defense. The best way to help Andrew Luck is by making sure he doesn’t have to score 30 points a game.

19. Buffalo Bills: Jurran Reed, DT, Alabama. Bills need to add some youth to their defensive line.

20. New York Jets: Leonard Floyd, Edge, Georgia. Floyd is one of the biggest question marks in this draft, but the Jets are a good fit for him. They have enough bulk up front that he won’t have to take on many  big guys.

21. Washington Redskins: Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor. Billings is a beast in the middle and gives Washington an immediate replacement for Pot Roast.

22. Houston Texans: Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor. Coleman would give the Texans an explosive weapon across from DeAndre Hopkins.

23. Minnesota Vikings: Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State. The Vikings add a receiver with good size to help their quarterback who struggles throwing the ball.

24. Cincinnati Bengals: Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson. The Bengals like big defensive ends and Dodd fits the mold.

25. Pittsburgh Steelers: Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State. Apple has the size and the speed, just needs to be coached up.

26. Seattle Seahawks: Robert Nkemdiche, DL, Mississippi. Seattle is known to take risks on talented players with character issues. Nkemdiche could be the best defensive lineman in this draft, he’s the most talented.

27. Green Bay Packers: Kenny Clark, DL, UCLA. The Packers badly need depth on their defensive line. Clark gives them a run-plugger.

28. Kansas City Chiefs: Artie Burns, CB, Miami. They really struggled without Sean Smith early in 2015 and now lost him as a free agent. Burns gives them a replacement.

29. Arizona Cardinals: Chris Jones, DL, Mississippi State. Jones is incredibly long and athletic. The knock on him is attitude and work ethic. What does Bruce Arians say? “Gotta risk it to get the biscuit.”

30. Carolina Panthers: Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana. Spriggs can start at right tackle next year and left tackle for the next 10 years.

31. Denver Broncos: Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis. Sure. This works.


41. Chicago Bears: Jonathan Bullard, DL, Florida. In most years Bullard would probably go earlier and, hell, he might do so this year.  Very athletic and would complement Akiem Hicks and Eddie Goldman very well.

72. Chicago Bears: Karl Joseph, S, West Virginia. Might be the best safety in the draft, he would go higher if he weren’t coming off of a knee injury.

106: Chicago Bears: La’Raven Clark, OT, Texas Tech. Very raw, but  talented. Could compete at either tackle spot with some development.

127: Chicago Bears: KeiVarae Russell, CB, Notre Dame. Has the physical skills they’re looking for. Good project for Eddy D.

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  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    And with the 11th pick in the 2016 NFL Draft the Chicago Bears select…..someone who does not address a decade of organizational incompetence.

    • Big Mike

      You’re never happy… I kid, I kid.. Some guys will be thrilled with this. Elliott’s by almost every count the best player on the board in this scenario. He needs to be a generational player to make sense in my book. I was very eager to see Langsford and Carey, carry the load. No argument that Elliot/Langsford is a better 1-2 punch, but there’s only one football. I think Andrew’s simply not right on this. But we will see and then we won’t know for months/years if whatever the Bears did was right.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        Big Mike, Trent Richardson was the best running back in football a few years back and selecting him did nothing to address issues on Browns….then Colts….and now Ravens….

        The Bears have not been competitive because of DEFENSE. Defense wins championships or at least consistently keeps you relevant. Build the D and watch everything else fall into place. Pace CANNOT stop now after all of the positive momentum.

        • Big Mike

          I hear you. I’m sure Pace and Fox know that as well. I don’t see the Bears taking Elliot. If the 10 picks in front of the Bears shakes out like Andrew says, my bet is on the Bears picking A’Shawn Robinson. But I don’t think the Giants will pass on Stanley and that brings us Shaq Lawson. My dark horse pick at 11 given the draft board above is Eli Apple. I say it is 60/40 that the Bears don’t pick at 11. Either move up or down.

          My prayer scenario is to nab Wilkerson by swapping firsts and giving up a 4th. (probably too cheap, but it’s my dream). Then picking up Leonard Floyd at 20. Woohoo

          • Irish Sweetness

            Wilkerson and Floyd, wow, I’m on board with that Mike. RB sure steps back from the limelight in that scenario. Denver did it all with defense, and so can we.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            We have offensive weapons, we have a QB, we have WR’s, we have RB’s, we just need a little health on the OL and a couple more playmakers on D. No one can replicate the Broncos D right now but we can keep adding young playmakers in the meantime.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I didn’t follow Trent’s story … didn’t he go astray?

          Don’t think it will happen with Zeke. This is worth a look. ESPN’s piece on him. Good kid.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            who knows, i’m sure his family was sucking on the teat pretty hard, an influx of money can make you complacent and some guys thrive and some guys stagnate. Carey and Langford were both very successful college running backs. Sometimes i think to myself that it would be better to get the O linemen in front of the nations best running back instead of the actual running back.

        • MB30SD

          Diiiiiiiis!

        • SC Dave

          Don’t repeat that third paragraph around some of the Payton worshippers around here.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There was no O-line in front of Walter the first half of his career. That sentiment is best reserved for fans of Emmitt Smith.

      • MB30SD

        Agree

  • Irish Sweetness

    I’d love to see us get Elliott. He gives us what we don’t have at the position, and he’d give us the best years of his life. He’s a high-quality character that Papa Bear would approve of, and we’d have the best stable of backs in football. Put Tayo and Unrein in there on mid-short yardage and we’re unstoppable – the hardest yards, have in recent years, been truly the hardest yards to get for us. Once a defense has to really fear what we can do to them on the ground, just makes Jay Cutler, AJ and KW a whole lot more dangerous in the air.

    Buckner will be long gone by 11, but Pace could still bring us Wilkerson with that second rounder. That would be sweet.

    To do it with Zeke Elliott as a Chicago Bear would be all the sweeter. Super Bowl or no, we’re a season away from being the best looking team in football, and amazingly, there’s no sarcasm font at play there.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      i hear you but last year we actually started to get those tough yards, those crucial first downs, those goal line TD’s…..

      We have two running backs that can get the tough yards. We have the short yardage fullback. We have the upgraded OL (in theory). We lose some of the Forte versatility but it doesn’t mean that the new version of the running game can’t be successful.

      The crazy thing is that the NFL is the ultimate test. It is literally the hardest challenge that any of these kids will ever endure. They are going to go up against guys, sometimes for the first time, that are bigger, faster, stronger, meaner, more disciplined, better coached, more inspired, more focused…and some that are less in all categories. Zeke could be one of the great ones or most likely just another solid NFL running back that was awesome in college. That’s when the Offensive scheme and the blocking in front of him make an even greater impact.

      • SC Dave

        That last paragraph makes this a truly great post.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Oh I ‘m not drafting him on any runs, stats or any of that stuff … just the character I saw in that ESPN film. I’m drafting his father, his upbringing, his head and his heart, that’s what will make him great. Like you said, the NFL is the ultimate test, it tests everything.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Andrew does his mock, gets to the Bears at 11, and goes pure BPA. Highest draft composite score.

    I think they could deal back to 13 with Miami and get Miami’s 2nd rounder for a 2 spot jump. I’d work that deal and take WJ3 .

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      Some guy at work mentioned WJ3 without any prompting from me. Your campaign may be working.

    • Irish Sweetness

      That would be phenomenal. We are most definitely a CB away from disaster.

  • That Guy

    There’s plenty to say about why drafting running back this high is a problem. Likewise about why we need to focus on defense or why Robinson or Stanley/Conklin or Jackson III or even Connor Cook/Paxton Lynch are better choices here.

    But if we draft Elliot and he has a career in the same ballpark as the one Forte had, let alone in the same ballpark as someone like Adrian Peterson, then nobody will complain.

    Nobody will complain in five years and 5000 rushing yards from now that we needed to stop the run. Nobody will complain in one year and a discussion about offensive rookie of the year that the we should have addressed the secondary.

    The only thing that would make people genuinely upset about this draft is if we do what the league did to Aaron Rodgers and fail to draft an all-pro quarterback at #11. Even Adrian Peterson wouldn’t make that go away. But unless Cook/Lynch/Prescott or whoever is that guy, nobody will say a word if Elliot is as good as advertised.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We will all remember that nobody mentioned any of those QBs. Wentz is the only guy that gave me a semi.

  • That Guy

    I can’t complain about this mock as far as the Bears are concerned. Two secondary players in the first four rounds. A value D-lineman in the second (one of those “fell out of the first” type picks). And Clark is some nice competition to push Leno. Plus, 4 QBs in the first means we probably don’t get a good look at a solid backup in the top rounds anyway.

    Would not be upset with this group at all.

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    I read something about the Saints matching the offer sheet for Josh Hill to get the Bears to give up a late round pick on draft day. I’d love to get Josh Hill on the roster for a 6th or 7th rounder to the Saints. That would give us 3 NFL vets who are solid locker room guys and that can all catch the rock and score TD’s. No gamebreakers on the roster unfortunately but it eliminates the need to use a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a TE then and we can focus on the D backfield, the D line and maybe an OL if one falls inexplicably.

    Take QB and Pace must die. In the 2017 draft after Pace executes another great Free Agency to shore up some additional positions you can then move up and draft the best QB on the board and everyone will be happy.

    • SC Dave

      Hug that dream

    • Irish Sweetness

      We could get Josh Hill for a 6th or 7th? Really? Wow. That would be a no-brainer. He’d be a weapon for a team with a QB like ours.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Colts going D-line? Really. The best way to help Andrew Luck is to give him some protection before he gets killed. Their front office will end up spit-roasted if they do not draft an offensive lineman in the first.
    This is a total miss.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      The outrage of not putting quality O linemen in front of Luck is at a fever pitch. People (Talking Heads) are bursting at the seams to make sure that everyone knows that Luck doesn’t have adequate protection. Yearning to provide that excuse. It’s a valid issue but was somehow disregarded in Chicago from….oh….2010 until pretty much last year.

      AD needs to reevaluate. Colts are going O line or heads will roll.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Did I miss something about Romo retiring? I don’t see Jerrah blowing a top 4 pick on a QB. He is in constant win-now mode, regardless of how fragile his starter is. I could see them taking one on in the second or third maybe, but not their first rounder. I think it’s more likely they go impact pass rusher to cover themselves from last years fiasco, and/or trade down to do it.

    • ImportantBearsDefender FTW

      You did, Romo went down twice in 4 games with the same injury. That means by week 3 the cowboys will need a QB, Wentz should be there and I think will go to the Cowboys. I don’t see the Browns risking it in the draft again with Manziel still a painful rash and paying RG3.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Oh, I know he’s Mr. Glass now – I’m just saying I don’t see them pulling that trigger. Jerrah hearts Tony 4ever.
        And Romo was a UDFA, which I think plays into it.

        • ImportantBearsDefender FTW

          He spent last year or the year before complaining about not pulling the trigger on Manziel though. I bet it wont happen again.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Manziel should be living proof to Jerrah why he shouldn’t go QB in the first round.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            but Manziel was already considered a world class douche-lete before the draft and the top QB’s in this draft don’t give off that vibe…except for the guy that pretty much blamed his coach because he threw interception after interception.

          • CanadaBear

            If your starting QB is a massive douche, he has to be really, really good to be effective. It’s difficult for a bunch of alpha males to be subservient to a guy they would give a swirly. Ask Cade McNown.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I think somebody trades up for Tennessee’s pick and drafts Wentz.

  • ImportantBearsDefender FTW

    I think the Bears have like 8 picks in this draft?

    I would be very surprised if they go RB at 11; BPA is an awesome idea but they’ve shown two things i, they value Langford enough to let Forte go and Fox likes running back by committee. Neither of those would lead me to believe they would use a near top 10 draft pick on that position when there are other good players that are better fits.

    • Irish Sweetness

      9.
      But Langford isn’t running through anyone, or breaking tackles. Perry is maybe the only guy that we have that might do that.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    The Dolphins have spent 4 of their past top 12 picks in the last 3 years drafting cornerbacks, traded out of their 8 spot to get Maxwell this year, and they’re going to take another one in the first round this year? It wouldn’t shock me, but good lord – your scouting department needs an overhaul.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Did I miss something or does AD have Megaquon dropping completely out of the first round now?

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      AD = rookie

      AD is pulling a Manziel with this mock draft.

      • MB30SD

        Hahaha

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    The Doctson pick to San Francisco at 7…that seems like a massive reach. I guess it is Chip Kelly, so hey, crazy bullshit pick in the first round could be about right.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Every time I see that picture of Elliott, “Don’t ask me, I don’t know what AD was thinking either.”

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    If Karl Joseph comes out of this spring fully healthy, we would be absolutely blessed to get him in the 3rd.

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    Ok, I think we can all agree that in the first round we are NOT taking:
    TE
    WR
    ILB
    RT
    RG
    C
    LG
    FB
    K
    NG
    P
    S

    That leaves:
    DE
    DT
    OLB
    CB
    LT
    RB (this would be crazy…haha, just had to throw that in there)

    So, with the 11th pick our thereabouts depending on moving up or back a few spots the following players will be available:
    A’Shawn Robinson DE/DT
    Sheldon Rankins DT
    Leonard Floyd OLB
    Hargreaves CB
    Jackson III CB
    Apple CB
    Lawson DE
    Stanley LT
    Conklin RT/LT
    Ezekiel Elliot RB
    Ogbah OLB/DE
    Vernon Butler DT
    Kevin Dodd DE/OLB
    Darron Lee LB/S
    Chris Jones DE/DT
    Jonathan Bullard DE/DT

    You have to think about the coaches and GM sitting in a room and being honest about the talent on the roster. You have to think about what these coaches value and the success they’ve had in the past and why they had it. You have to be aware that they know why other teams are winning or not winning. They know why some great athletes in college make it in the pros and why some don’t.

    When you watch these guys you see guys making plays. You see some guys doing it because they are bigger stronger faster and some because they have better instincts and some because they are just fucking aggressive dominating football players that love the violence and want to bring the fucking heat at all times. I don’t want guys who drag people down from the side. I want guys that try to slam the dudes head off of the ground and finish the play. I want the guy who shoots the gap instead of waiting to get pushed back to make the tackle 6yds downfield. We want to see players on our roster that make you want to get the fucking jersey man, not because he’s a sexy pick, but because when he’s out there you feel like things can happen, that a play can be impacted by that guy and that the guys around him feel the same way.

    Look at that list above and watch some film on them. Highlight films are just that, just the highlights, but watch the plays, watch the way they react, watch the aggression and the will to put it all on the line.

    It makes it easier to envision the guy that could be selected.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      Ramsey has it, Jack has it, Bosa has it although he seems like a tool, Buckner is just a huge freak, Tunsil is the best OL. Everything else is a question mark and it could work out very fucking well for us in rounds 1 and 2.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        You left out one guy.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          haha, was referring to the top 5 that will definitely be gone

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      I can say that I was totally unimpressed with Stanley when I watched a couple of games last week. He didn’t look like he sucked, but he did not jump out as a beast. Tunsil absolutely did.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        i agree. My ND buddy who loves all things ND but has a great track record of spotting talent is not a fan of Stanley. And i quote…”he’s not Zach Martin….even though everyone wants to believe he is.”

    • SC Dave

      ” honest about talent on the roster ” tells me Zeke is plausible. Tho improbable

    • Irish Sweetness

      Take out all the DTs ( we have a bunch of those).
      Take out all the OTs (they’re not a. good enough or b. big enough)
      Take out all CBs less than 6’0.

      That leaves :

      Leonard Floyd OLB Jackson III CB Apple CB Lawson DE

      Ezekiel Elliot RB Ogbah OLB/DE Kevin Dodd DE/OLB Darron Lee LB/S

      Chris Jones DE/DT Jonathan Bullard DE/DT

      I’m cool with a CB in the first as long as round 2 and 3 involves a DE and a OLB.

  • Doc Nitty

    Ugh. More draft talk? Criminey.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      haha, you love it Doc. I know you want to beat it to pictures of Ichiro riding an italian 10 speed but it’s football season too damnit.

      • Doc Nitty

        I repeat….

        Ugh.

        • MB30SD

          So down votes don’t show up.

          Baseball?!?!?!

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      So, I’m reading “The Spanish Civil War” by Antony Beevor…I can keep going, if you want…

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        by upvote i meant downvote. In all seriousness, there are some smart dudes on this blog.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Hahahaha

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    And I have to explain to my in-laws why I don’t wanna live in Florida…
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/05/us/big-alligator-in-florida-irpt/index.html

    • willbest

      On the other hand, no income tax. Plus its a great place to own land when the next Ice Age comes around.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Yeah, but the crazy factor is off the charts. And sinkholes. And pythons. And crazies with pythons. And alligators. And crazies with alligators and pythons.
        SMH. I’d rather pay the income taxes.

        • willbest

          Every location has its disasters. Some natural, some man made.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            And some, like Florida, get the worst of both.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            my wife asked me if i’d ever move to Florida. I said, yes, if i ever planned on killing somebody, i’d definitely want a Florida jury of my peers.

          • MB30SD

            “Come to florida… where killing someone for the experience is easier!”

            …I can see the billboard now

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Driving behind a pickup truck in Tampa a couple of years ago…rear window had a sign for “Baby Monkeys for Sale!” with a local number. The f-ck is that somebody’s full-time gig???

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            The State animal of Florida is a baby monkey killed by teens on youtube.

          • MB30SD

            …all masterminded by a toucan.

          • MB30SD

            Baby monkeys is spensive.

            Sides, I’d much rather have a toucan

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Those bastards will take a finger off.

          • MB30SD

            My son is really into toucans now since they did the little show and tell with one at the wild animal park last weekend… and I bought him a stuffed one on the way out.

            Gotta admit I kinda want one. I’m not usually a bird person AT ALL. They are amazing, but people who usually have them creep me the fuck out. But toucans look pretty cool… as far as birds go.

            Now, there is the price tag for one, which i read is usually in the 8-12K region!?!

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Hooooly shite. Granted, it is a dinosaur AND a cereal spokesbird all in one. But 12k?
            I got S a 3-armed monkey doll at Ripley’s Believe it or Not, so I’m in the clear, at least unless we move to Florida. There’s probably a mall store for them there.

          • MB30SD

            Monkeys and Toucans ‘R Us!

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Sounds like a solid business plan – any of our resident bankers wanna pony up the cash?

          • MB30SD

            DUDE, this place is like 20 minutes from my house!

            I can buy a toucan if I want!!!! My son is going to be SO fired up. hahahaha, too bad I’ll never buy one of those damn dinosaurs. I will totally take them to visit next weekend though.

            http://www.emeraldforestbirds.com/EmeraldGallery.htm

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I love that the price for each one of them is…”Call for prices”, “Call for prices”.
            I’m telling you, maing, 3-armed monkeys and discounted toucans. It’s a goldmine.
            Investors, get in on the ground floor!

          • MB30SD

            I’m in!

          • CanadaBear

            I was driving behind a piece of crap in Florida somewhere a long time ago and the car had a bumper sticker that said, “My son has perfect attendance at Alabama State Prison”. A fave.

          • Cormonster

            If you ever get a chance, watch the documentary “Vernon, Florida”. It’s fucking epic.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I will be looking it up!

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            “Come to florida….where you just have to hide the body a little longer and you’ll be fine”

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            “Come to florida….where duct tape in your bag, an internet seach of how to poison a child and your child’s remains in a clearing 43feet from your trailer doesn’t necessarily mean you’re guilty, just that you have bad luck.”

          • MB30SD

            still makes me fucking sick to my stomach. Disgusting.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Yep. Still speechless that she is walking free.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            haha, unreal

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          and teens that kill their friends to “see what it was like”

        • Doc Nitty

          We don’t have crazies with alligators and pythons but we do have the PC police. No sales tax in WASH either.

          • CanadaBear

            Legal weed, say no more!

          • Doc Nitty

            Should’ve led with that I guess.

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      You’re gonna need a bigger air boat

  • willbest

    Taking a RB at 11 means you are guaranteeing him $10-11 million, and paying him 3.5 million a year for roughly $14 million over 4 years. By contrast, a top 10 RB not on a rookie contract is going to cost you $6-8 million. That is for an “elite” player. Meanwhile that is the price you pay in most positions for merely a competent player. Meaning the only way you get good value out of an RB in the first round is if he is in fact a home run top 5 NFL back.

    And then you have to figure even an RB you are willing to give a second contract too isn’t going to be around for a 3rd. Whereas you might give an o-line guy 12 years or a linebacker 14.

    If you got Elliot there at 11, and you think Stanley is going to be a top 20 LT long term, you go with Stanley.

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      If i had to go offense with first pick i most certainly go with OT.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        If that’s the Sophie’s choice, then I say, screw it, make the massive move up to get Tunsil and be done with it.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          haha, despite my disgust with the D over the last few years i wouldn’t even be mad if they made an insane move like that. I’d be kind of pissed if we didn’t get another FA defender so we could take a D guy in rd 2 or 3 but that would be an epic move that puts the NFC North on fucking notice.

    • Irish Sweetness

      He’s not very big for an OT though. There are question marks all over Stanley in his size, uprightness, all of that. There are zero question marks on Zeke. Plus, where’s the need?

      1. We have Leno as a starter. POX like him. We have Tayo and Weaver in behind him, and so far I like Tayo. 353lbs 6’6 – ain’t nobody kicking sand in his face or taking his lunch money, has done nothing wrong thus far in a Bears jersey. He’s a biscuit shy of being 50 lbs heavier than Stanley. Figure that for a moment.

      2. We do not have a RB capable of running somebody over. We have a bunch of scat-backs. WE know POX tried to sign CJA, so we know they want that general body type. If he’s there at 11 you thank your lucky stars and you make him a Bear. You can still draft a Jihad Ward or make a play on Wilkerson. Zeke is one of the best guys – maybe the best – int the draft. I don’t hear anyone talking about Ronnie Stanley.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      i mentally changed his jersey color to dark green and a little white and said, oh, there’s Muhammad Wilkerson.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Trump hired Roger Stone, a very nasty election operator and started “StoptheSteal.org” and petitioned ALL his supporters in his newsletters and tweets to come to the Cleveland convention and participate in what he is calling “Days of Rage”.

    So I’m thinking Cleveland is going to get up on par with the 68 Democratic convention as far as street violence goes.

    I think we should capitalize on this. Jeff, maybe you could sell “Days of Rage duffel bags”

    They could contain:

    A Bullhorn
    Tear gas mask
    Tear gas
    duct tape
    a bulletproof vest
    an IR beacon
    spray paint
    a StoptheSteal.org T-Shirt
    a map to local 24×7 ammo shops in the Cleveland area
    tickets to the Rock n Roll hall of fame, the most pointless HOF in existence.
    a coupon for Tradewind

    • willbest

      Cruz is playing the fools game right now. He is working the system as best he can, getting his delegates into leadership positions to influence rules and 2nd and 3rd round voting, but the donor class is doing the same thing and the result is going to be Kasich or Paul Ryan as the GOP nominee if Trump doesn’t clear 1237 hard, which at this point looks like he will fall between 50-100 short.

      The real question will be what kind of rules these geniuses come up with the week beforehand because right now everybody is operating on the assumption that the 2016 convention rules will look something like the 2012 convention rules and they could very well decide that in order to be a nominee a candidate needs say 60% of the delegates.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        I am going to invest in popcorn. It’s going to be entertaining to see how the rules committee decides to game this.

        • MB30SD

          always a sound investment

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            No nutritional value in gold.

          • MB30SD

            You know what I say… guns, pussy, gold… and popcorn.

            Btw, not much in popcorn either

  • CanadaBear

    I’m hoping some team will trade up for the first pick to beat Cleveland to the first QB on the board. That would certainly help the Bears chances to get a great pick at 11.

  • dmckendree@post.com

    Do the trade with Miami and take William Jackson III, Houston. This how much better the draft can lookswith the trade 13: R1P13

    CB WILLIAM JACKSON III

    HOUSTON

    32: R2P1

    DE EMMANUEL OGBAH

    OKLAHOMA STATE

    72: R3P9

    DT VERNON BUTLER

    LOUISIANA TECH

    73: R3P10

    S T.J. GREEN

    CLEMSON

    127: R4P29

    TE JERELL ADAMS

    SOUTH CAROLINA

    147: R5P8

    WR TAJAE SHARPE

    MASSACHUSETTS

    150: R5P11

    RB KEITH MARSHALL

    GEORGIA

    185: R6P10

    OLB DADI LHOMME NICOLAS

    VIRGINIA TECH

    206: R6P31

    QB KEVIN HOGAN

    STANFORD

    230: R7P9

    WR MALCOLM MITCHELL

    GEORGIA

    • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

      Vernon Butler will be gone in late first round early 2nd.

  • willbest

    Russian Sberbank recently hired Tony Podesta of Podesta Group to lobby the US Government to change the scope of US sancations against Russia stemming from that whole Ukraine dust up. Tony is brother to John Podesta who is currently Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman (previously Bill’s Chief of Staff and counselor to Obama). Sberbank currently is playing an instrumental role in laundering money for Putin in the Panama Papers. One thinks that Podesta Group (and all lobbyist) would fire any company caught up in these papers as a defensive play.

    Zerohedge is speculating that the reason there hasn’t been a wikiLeaks data dump is because the ICIJ is being funded by somebody that politically isn’t interested in the whole truth being revealed. And Soros is ZH’s go to guy for that. Which would be why we have yet to find out about the supposed 441 US firms that are supposedly caught up in all of this.

    I wouldn’t put something like this past Soros, but the sky is the limit on this one. After all you are talking about a massive source of blackmail. Throwing the PM of Iceland under the bus and embarrassing Putin is a great way to demonstrate the validity of your claim, before you run out and collect your 9 figure per year hush money from the rest of the group.

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Süddeutsche Zeitung is a paper thought to be a mouthpiece for the CIA.

      There is great value in flushing the cockroaches out from the British Virgin Islands. Dumping all of Mossack Fonseca’s documents in the open while redacting the people you want out of the fray is a good way to cause a dust up. It also undermines Putin badly amongst the Russian people when they see how badly he’s is offshoring the nation’s wealth into secret bank accounts.

      The whole thing seems like a U.S. backed operation designed from the get-go to flush money out of accounts and pick up the lion’s share of it in Nevada.

      • CanadaBear

        If the $50 billion that Putin skimmed during the lead up to the olympics didn’t get their attention, I’m not sure this will.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Meanwhile, Hilary is favored to win the U.S. Presidency despite the criminal, money-laundering operation that is the The Clinton Foundation.

        • Ribeyes for Operators

          US Russian relations are at an all time low since Brezhnev and Ronnie telling us “the bombing begins in 5 minutes”.

          I think Obama relishes the idea of getting a few licks in on Putin before he goes. It can’t help him. It may not be possible to overthrow a guy as entrenched as Putin, but before Glasnost you probably would have said the Soviet Union would never fall.

    • CanadaBear

      I wouldn’t be in a big hurry to embarrass Putin unless you don’t value your life.

      • willbest

        I believe the expression is “If you shoot at the King you better not miss.”

    • Trac

      There’s a 5 point plan. The devil likes pentagrams for some reason.

      1. Destroy the petrodollar.
      2. Get Russia and China to play America’s bad guys.
      3. Collapse the world market.
      4. After the federal reserve collapses which means your bank accounts will dissappear overnight, the IMF will implement a one world currency.
      5. Obama will blow the anti Christ and usher in the end times.

      • MB30SD

        where in THEE hell have you been?!

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Terabytes of offshore banking data finally released to the general public…the next day, Trac resurfaces.
          Coincidence?

          • MB30SD

            exactly.

          • SC Dave

            Lol at that… truthfully

          • Johnnywad

            With a five point plan no less.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They’re investigating the NEW head of FIFA now. He has an account.

            Icelnad’s parliament said they’ll ask the Prime Minsiter to step down, Iceland says “Fuck you, alla you, get out!”

          • DaMurph

            I think not!

        • Trac

          It’s a long story. The wilderness?

          • Cormonster

            Did you hurt yourself fixing the pool liner?

      • MB30SD

        want me to text you a picture of my chosen peeps get out of jail free card and my zombie killing arsenal?

        one word for alla yous…. water bob and lifestraw.

        • Trac

          Hahaha. Doesn’t work that way my man. The only name under heaven that saves is Yahweh and I believe some repenting needs to take place as well. Just sayin.

          • MB30SD

            Oh, you know what my god is all about huh?!

            Yeah, sure.

            Just stick to what YOUR god whispers to you at night.

            Hahaha

          • Trac

            YHWH is my God and I have repented.

          • MB30SD

            Have you? Can I see the manual you have? I want to check it against the one I was given.

            And just to make sure, we should both consult with the scientifically/ empirically proven document with real events right?

            No? Oh, ok….

            ; )

          • Trac
      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Guess they better get cracking – only 9 months left before somebody else has to take care of #5.

    • SC Dave

      Soros is one the the true evil elite. I hope they have data to take the p.o.s. DOWN HARD.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Al –

      Give us a score (1-10) of Sturgil Simpson’s cover of Nirvana’s In Bloom:

      • AlbertInTucson

        Not really my genre, but I ‘d say “7”?

        99% of the music I own/play is pre-1990s.

        Hell. I was JUST listening to a mix CD in the car that had “Mama Tried” and “Think I’ll just stay here and drink’ on it.

        • MB30SD

          c….d…. what’s that?

          • AlbertInTucson

            I still prefer “hard media” thank you.

          • MB30SD

            Haha

          • CanadaBear

            I still use my turntable and both tape decks (reel-to-reel and cassette). Gotta image to maintain!

          • MB30SD

            Stop it!

        • Ribeyes for Operators

          I looked this up:

          I can’t say I know any of these songs. I’m sure some of them are good, but I don’t know he had a big hit, did he?

          • CanadaBear

            Okie From Muskogee was a monster hit.

          • Ribeyes for Operators

            Holy Crap GP, you must have been insulated from Country music growing up.

            On the South Side growing up, we had Hee Haw on Channel 9. It came on after Ray Rayner and Mother Goose Tales.

            https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/10890604_f520.jpg

            I mostly remember the brunette.

          • CanadaBear

            They definitely had some babes on that show. BR549.

          • MB30SD

            good man

          • AlbertInTucson

            The brunette? Not Gunilla Hutton?

          • Irish Sweetness

            We don’t smoke marijuana in Muskogee;
            We don’t take no trips on LSD

    • CanadaBear

      R.I.P. Merle. Here’s his last hit. A duet with Willie Nelson. It has special significance for Doc and me. Even if you hate Country check it out.

      • Doc Nitty

        That was awesome. That can’t even be grouped with Today’s country, btw.

        • CanadaBear

          No doubt. It’s a typical Willie song. Simple, straight forward and always delivered with a glint in his eyes!

          Here’s basically the same song except it’s about drinking. Gotta love George Jones (a world famous drunk) and Willie’s collaboration.

        • Cormonster

          Here’s one of my favorite Willie covers with EmmyLou Harris. Daniel Lanois song with him playing guitar.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve seen Lanois at a Folk festival years ago. Great player but the show was definitely low key. I spent a little bit of time with Emmylou when I was in charge of the volunteers at a Festival. She was super nice.

          • Cormonster

            I would like to hear her sing in person sometime. Not a big fan of some of her music, but just want to hear that voice.

          • CanadaBear

            It is unbelievably clear and pure. I’m like you, not a big fan of her music but really respect the talent. At the time she was around 50 and still a major babe.

      • AlbertInTucson

        • CanadaBear

          I was never a Country fan, per se, but the stuff growing up kinda stuck with you whether you liked it or not. As I got older I still wasn’t a fan but could appreciate it. Once Country turned into Pop music with a twang, I really dislike it. The only Country band in the last 20 years that I actually like are these guys. And a big part of that is because of Flaco Jimenez and he’s a guest artist. These guys rock live.

    • Doc Nitty

      RIP Merle..

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    oh herrroo, GP can you feel your Bears loins tingling?

    Aaron Wilson
    Verified account

    ‏@AaronWilson_NFL

    Houston corner William Jackson III works out for the Chicago Bears this week, and has five upcoming visits before the draft

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      He’s got that edge, that extra something that makes me see Richard Sherman in his game.

      Watch these highlights and try and stay flaccid. You cannot.

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        #ActionJackson
        #bone
        #notashamed

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse
    • MB30SD

      I vote to make this a trend. Yes? Can we do that?

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        I wonder if we sentenced people to hard fucking North Korea labor time instead of our current system if it would serve as a deterrent to those contemplating breaking the law when it came to major crimes. Like, if you kill someone in a gang retaliation or orchestrate a scheme that results in the death of people can we just work you until you die? I mean, we’d feed the hell out of them and give them plenty of water but we’d work your fucking dick to the nub. I think that would work.

        • MB30SD

          let’s give it a shot. nothing like empirical data to prove/disprove a theory

          • Ribeyes for Operators

            See Freakonomics for a detailed study of deterrence vs retribution theory.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            haha, I’m talking real fucking deterrence. DPRK style.

          • Ribeyes for Operators

            So am I. The chapters in that book are a revelation.

            Here’s what it boils down to:

            You can threaten anything you want. Run their genitals over with lawnmowers.
            It won’t prevent much crime at all.

            It comes down to choice instead. If there is no longer viable options to improve one’s station in life, crime will be chosen. Every time. No matter what the punishment is for getting caught.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            Mr. Blankenship kind of had some options though. I think he would have contemplated maybe following the law if the other options was get caught and join a chain gang with Lawrence Phillips.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            That’d be a real bitch now that LP is dead as a door nail.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            hmmm, ok, just insert scary criminal psycho name here….

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            I mean, it would’ve been bad enough when he was alive. He was psychotic.
            OJ is still kicking though.

          • Ribeyes for Operators

            Yes, for the white collar class who DO have other means to advance their station, punishment does deter, But less than you think. It’s the “I wont get caught” thing.

            I would love to see Blankenship do some time in the box, though.

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            ok , so we’ve agreed that we’ll only kill and enslave white collar types. What about blue collar types with double pensions and summer homes. I would like to include them in the initial trial period. I’ll draw it up.

          • Ribeyes for Operators

            A man’s got to know his limitations.

            https://youtu.be/h0uT3QKQ88g?t=304

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Risk/reward calculation should change a little bit if it was peener in the mower vs. a one percent fine…but I agree with the premise in general.

          • SC Dave

            But that does not justify allowing crime to be profitable

          • AlbertInTucson

            Ok, let’s not equate this with a REAL crime, like stealing a political poster or such.

          • SC Dave

            An outstanding book

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            but not gospel

          • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

            haha, I could imagine sentencing. Mr. Blankenship, you’ve been found guilty of pretty much causing the death of dozens of hard working americans. You are going to help up build about 100 highways on the 3rd shift, for no money, for the rest of your god damned life. Thanks in advance!

          • MB30SD

            Boom!

    • willbest

      What am I comparing it to?

      This guy was literally ordering his employees to their deaths and he gets 1 year. That pretty much concludes the bankers will never see the inside of an 8×8

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        The sentencing laws for a serial shoplifter vs. this piece of dirt.
        Maximum sentence was one year for running a deathtrap.
        And yep, that’s the point.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          His fine, the maximum allowed under statute, equaled a little more than 1% of his annual salary in 2009. Unbelievable.

        • willbest

          Well in fairness it was his first time being caught ordering people to their deaths. PLUS, we adhere to the nonsensical position that a corporation which is entirely a fabrication of the state is separate for criminal purposes from its employee actors.

          Incidentally, that is what that fat guy that Irish was linking to a few months back was prattling on about. You need to incorporate yourself as a legal entity and then its the corporation and not you personally committing the shoplifting.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Hah! Good point.

    • AlbertInTucson

      A year for him would have been fine. A year at the bottom of one his mines, that is.

      The goverrnment did not prove “He committed a crime???

      He’s on tape ordering that safety regulations be ignored.

      They should at least room him with an ex-coal miner.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Just like the financial “crisis”.

      Not enough bankers & brokers went to jail.

      They just paid fines, still profited and have gone right back to doing what they were doing.

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    Looks like Jarran Reed came in for a visit. For the uninformed I’ll give you the short and sweet version. HUGE MAN MEAT MOUNTAIN DT from Alabama slated to go in the latter half of the first round or very very early 2nd.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Darron Lee.

    • willbest

      Might want to see your doctor about readjusting your tourettes meds.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        And curse less? No thanks.

  • Jack Lacan

    Since there’s a Mock Draft – How about Mock Football.
    Few cases of CTE.

  • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

    Reggie Nelson and his playmaking heading to the Raiders on a 2year deal. We’re good though. We have a white safety who may not start in Canada, Grandpa Antrel and his old ass broken down body, Al Afalava..uh, i mean Adrian Amos and some other guys. When is the last time a safety for the Bears intercepted a pass?

    • Bird Man Conte is available?

      • Bender McLugh

        INT for a Safety – I think it was actually Conte, his last game as a Bear, right?

        • Bender McLugh

          I am wrong, again. Harold JQ had one last year. so yeah, we’re set at Safety.

        • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

          Conte giveth and taketh away.

        • MB30SD

          shutyomouth

    • MB30SD

      Fencik?

      What about hittner?

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        I’d imagine that Fangio and Donatell would be in Pace’s ear about Hittner if they want him on the squad. I want guys that bring heat and anyone that wants to change their legal name to Dante Hitner and it’s funny but still has people kind of agreeing is probably a bad motherfucker and would fit in with the Bears.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    At David Gilmour show at Auditorium

    Kickass version of Us and Them. I will post pics later it’s intermission

    • Cormonster

      Smart man. You picked the right show to see.

    • Doc Nitty

      You lucky bastard.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Duuuuude.

    • Doc Nitty

      That’s some long intermission.

  • That Guy

    Wow. I’m not usually a fan of the hardcore self-righteous liberal crowd, but this is pretty impressive.

    • Trac

      The whole system is about to reboot. Shalom.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Amen.

      • Bender McLugh

        FEEL IT!

        • SC Dave

          Bernie represents *nothing* but more of the same.

          At least to those of us that have pulled our own weight, and that of others, OUR ENTIRE ADULT LIVES

          I am SO TIRED of the fucking whining. Time to move. Was it Sac who went to Ecuador? Did I miss the trip report?

      • SC Dave

        Are you prepared?

        • MB30SD

          depends. For zombies yes.

    • SC Dave

      Anyone offer the little girl some cheese to go with her whine?

      • That Guy

        Like I said… I usually have no patience for that stuff. But you have to admire how forceful she was on the spot like that. You also have to admire that he had, basically, no answer for her.

        She has a legitimate gripe. Student loans are a pit for a lot of 20 somethings in this country (WSJ article on that this week). Job market remains extremely challenging, especially if you start with a debt burden. Healthcare is getting worse and more expensive every year. Not advocating a particular solution, but the struggle is real. The guy probably is tone deaf to a lot of that.

        • Irish Sweetness

          It’s the whole planet in microcosm.
          There are two levels of people. One level has money, from a little to a lot. The other level has nothing and lives hand to mouth – nothing to be gained from them, so fuck them. The people in level one … get them into debt as soon as possible, charge them for using their own money, charge their nation for using its own money … squeeze every cent out of them until they die, then tax them for dying.

          • SC Dave

            And I thought my gestalt was bleak

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          give me a break about student debt, it is by far one of the weakest lame ass complaints from those 20 somethings. 1st those student loan debts are easily consolidated with a fairly low interest rate. 2nd they have 20 years to pay it off. 3rd the payment plans are setup with increasing payments over years, therefore you pay the least amount right out of college when they are getting paid the least amount. 4rth if they fall on hard times they can apply for deferment or forbearance. Finally, student loan payments can not exceed 10% of your “discretionary income” therefore the loan payment does not put as big of burden as it is made out (there is more to this 10% crap but I don’t want to get into it).

          Also the examples many of the news outlets give are about graduates from schools with the highest tuition rates and the graduates got a liberal arts degree, or a social science type degree where the pay scales are crap from the start. Oh the horror this student has 100K in debt and got a degree in underwater basket weaving, but if they went to a state school for the same degree they probably would have had 30k in loans. Seems to me these graduates need to admit they made the wrong choice of college.

          • That Guy

            Half of what you write is just not true. We work with debtors all the time filing BK and having student loan payments. Certain smaller loans have a 10% cap, but the big ones generally don’t. And while I want to see 18 year olds make good decisions, there are a lot of good jobs that have nothing to do with underwater basket weaving, but that won’t hire if they don’t have degrees. Even the state schools aren’t as cheap as they used to be.

            You’re right, some of the student loan crisis comes from bad decision making, just like the mortgage crisis. But its a mistake to think these lenders are any more blameless than the mortgage companies were.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            what half is not true?

          • That Guy

            Most of the benefits you are describing go away after the first $15-20K per year. A lot of students need to borrow more than that to cover tuition, room and board, even at state schools. (BTW, I’m somewhat playing devil’s advocate here, because there are cheaper options). But a lot of the $50-100K borrowers, even with good degrees (let’s say someone with a communications degree that actually wants to work in the broadcast industry), are not able to get the low interest rates, graduated pay structures, long term forbearance or 20 year payoffs. Granted, there are loans that do offer that stuff, but not at the levels that are advertised.

            Look, I took a gamble when I went to law school. When I got out, the economy was a disaster so even though I went to a good school, got grades in the “money” rankings, had good references and extra-curriculars… I still didn’t find a good job. And I wasn’t the only one, the economy was just a mess. So you might say “businesses fail all the time for the same reason, its called taking a calculated risk.” And I would agree with you, except that businesses can file bankruptcies. You can’t discharge student loans.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            The benefits I talked about pertain to most student loan debt out there. Around 80% of all student loans are from the Federal Government which have these benefits. The average student loan debt of graduates with an undergraduate degree is around 33K in 2014(data not available yet for 2015, although I admit i did not look very hard). Coincidentally that is just above the limits you can borrow through Federal Direct Loans in 4 years so it is easy to say that a large portion of student debt have the benefits I described.

            The real issue lies with the Universities which make students take 2 years of crap classes just to get a degree. Get rid of the Elective courses and courses that have absolutely no bearing on the field of study, and you could graduate in less time and save money. I don’t think i would have missed out on anything by not taking ‘Intro to Ancient Philosophy’, ‘Bowling’, ‘Physics’, ‘Medieval Literature’, and a whole host of other stupid ass courses that did not pertain to my Management Information Systems degree.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Don’t disagree that you shouldn’t be going to a four year university for that.

          • SC Dave

            Education industrial complex.

            And the reason they get away with it is unrestricted money grants to 18 year olds with no job or education.

            I mean would you loan $100,000 of YOUR money so wantonly? Damn, at least you’d interview candidates to see if you thought the risk was warranted, right?!? That the recipient was motivated and had a plan!?
            A plan that had a snowballs chance in Hell of working!?

          • SC Dave

            The loaners are every bit as culpable. And as before, the root cause is progressive politicians and the people that own them

          • Scharfinator

            I’m with you. Not everyone is special. Not everyone is meant for college. If you have a doubt, don’t go. If you know you want to go, do something you can make decent money in.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve got no issue with people getting Liberal Arts degrees that basically funnel you into shitty paying jobs, just don’t bitch about it. I went to the local college for a year and decided it wasn’t what I wanted to do (I decided to major in partying). I followed that path for 2-3 years, went to the local community college for 2 years and used the tech degree to get a good job. Granted, I was lucky to land such a good paying job but at least it was a useful degree that didn’t involve any loans.

          • SC Dave

            The worst, Canada, is they WILL steal my money, through the vote, to pay their loans off for them.

          • Cormonster

            I have two cousins who bitch about their student loans and low pay on Facebook. They have both advocated for the government to pay off their loans, especially during the heyday of the “Occupy Movement”. One is about 35 who is still looking for her dream job with an Anthropology degree while working as a waitress. The other is about 40 with a PhD in Poetry who can’t seem to get a full time gig so he works in an independent bookstore and does some teaching. He’s got two well received poetry books that have probably earned him a solid 5-10 grand. At least he got smart now and has a girlfriend with a good job.

          • SC Dave

            The education- industrial complex, financed by progressives in the federal government passing out hundreds of billions of free money to 18 year old son with no job, property, or education, have sold the masses on the ‘ necessity ‘ of a ( mostly worthless) college ‘ education ‘.

            The result? Millions of statist droids pissing and moaning about their plight, and ten million imported Mexicans to do the work they shirk.

          • SC Dave

            And they didn’t have to take the loan.

          • SC Dave

            The whole point of all this was for the Progressives to buy the votes of another generation when they use my money to excuse their loans.

            It’s a GUARANFUCKINGTEE that it will happen.

        • SC Dave

          Debt burden and health care cost acceleration have the same source. Progressive politicians.

          Or, more properly, the people that elected them.

    • Irish Sweetness

      For a second there I thought she was a waitress.

    • willbest

      See this is why I couldn’t be Governor. If somebody drinking $3 coffee or $5 hot milk starts talking to me about their medicaid I would have them arrested on suspicion of medicaid fraud.

      • SC Dave

        Soooo fucking this

    • Bender McLugh

      AWESOME.

  • That Guy

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/06/hue-jackson-calls-timing-of-donte-whitners-release-unfortunate/

    This is really something I’d expect from someone like Trestman. Jackson is a coach I had more respect for… but Cleveland just does something to people.

    • MB30SD

      They are going to be just as terrible as always. Smh

    • CanadaBear

      Jackson was accused of undermining the HC in Oakland and openly campaigning for the HCing job a few years ago.

  • Irish Sweetness

    See that basketball retweet by Jefe over in the sidebar? Epic. that’s a DBB reaction.

    https://twitter.com/thecauldron/status/717197089378340864

    Munching on my muesli before going to work today, caught a few minutes of Fox news. Two things stood out within that time.

    1. Some Maj. Gen. taking about the new F33 fighter, or whatever : “If I was sending my son or daughter to war, I’d put them in this.”

    I think you get that kind of position and pension just to say things like that with a straight face.

    2. “Sanders beats Clinton 7 out of 8 states … but faces a real uphill battle to win.”

    Says it all.

    Then I got on my motor sickle and drove to work through miles of green fields covered in discarded plastic bags. What a world.

    • Bender McLugh

      that’s sad about the plastic bags man……..what part of Ireland?

      • Cutty of Mt. Olivet Nazarene

        he’s in Thailand i believe

        • MB30SD

          you do that in Ireland and they cut your bullocks off.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s not far off. God help you if walk your dog without bringing plastic baggies and a pooper scooper.

          • MB30SD

            Irish wolfhound?

            Obviously not scotties

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        They have to grow them somewhere. Bender.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Thailand, man. All of it. They don’t give a fuck. I hear it’s worse in China.

        My first week here, about 12 years ago, I was sitting on a train. I was looking at this old grammy who diligently got all the rubbish together from the two generations of her family. She put all the little bags into bigger bags, and then got all the bigger bags and put them into one big plastic bag. I thought, nice one granny, teach them how it’s done. Show them how to clean up after oneself properly, we are tenants of the Earth, not its owners.

        Then she opened the window and threw the whole thing out.

        • Johnnywad

          That’s beautiful.

    • willbest

      Its 6 of 7. But Sanders is behind in actual votes cast, and proportional delegate allocations based on those votes. The Super Delegates are just icing on the cake. Oh and lets look at those 7 states

      Idaho
      Utah
      Washington
      Wisconsin
      Arizona
      Hawaii
      Alaska

      First, 4 of those states are tiny from a population perspective. But only in Arizona, the state Clinton won, does the black plus Hispanic population clear 10% of the state despite them being over 25% of the US population.

      For all Sac and everybody else going on about how awesome Bernie Sanders would be for minorities, they legitimately don’t like the guy. Probably because he is a cranky old white guy proposing radical change and if you are black or Hispanic you would have to figure that would be very bad for you. Best stick with the woman that is corrupt but is promising not to rock the boat too much

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Will nails it regarding the delegates. There’s a reason we don’t just tally up the number of states you win, it matters whether there’s more cows than people there.

      • MB30SD

        1 man 1 vote. It’s time foe a real change.

        I’d also institute:
        * ZERO special interest funding PACs any of that bullshit
        * Budget review by a super top secret 5 person panel of private sector business leaders
        * 1 term for ALL elected gov officials
        * etc… etc…

        • SC Dave

          Oh gawd… grow up

          • MB30SD

            Hahaha… wish list right dave? : *

    • SC Dave

      Basketball = Spurs

  • Trac

    Pay attention men, this was the last time an American President shared truth with the American Public. It is THE reason he was taken out. Everything the media feeds you is spoon fed from these powers he warns about.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qvSD6If3zds

    • Irish Sweetness

      One of the great speeches from truly the last President to speak the truth.

      JFK wanted to give his country back its currency. Lincoln introduced the greenbacks, JFK the silver dollar – both men were shot in the head in public. So there was that.

      As a former Naval intelligence man, he knew there was something to the UFO phenomenon and he wanted to join forces with the Kremlin on that matter, and to let the American people know that we are not alone in the universe. So there was that.

      Marilyn Monroe was under surveillance because of her dalliance with the President, and in her last interview given to a Spanish reporter said she was “going to blow the top off the whole thing”. So there was that.

      He knew that the Vietnam conflict was a bunch of bullshit. So there was that too.

      Take your pick.

      • CanadaBear

        If he knew Vietnam was hooey, why did he escalate the war. Definitely calling bullshit on that one.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Revisionist, Camelot-Lovers, history.

          • CanadaBear

            I went to Catholic schools for 12 years and the nuns and priests loved JFK for obvious reasons. So did my folks. Being eligible for the draft during Vietnam made me take a little harder look at the US involvement. Not to mention my brother spent 2 years over there flying helicopters.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I only did a semester of first grade in Catholic school before we moved to the suburbs and public schools.”The Penguins” scared me.

            Kudos to your brother.

            I got a high # (238, I think) in the second draft lottery and didn’t get drafted.

          • CanadaBear

            The order of nuns at our school were BVM (Blessed Virgin Mary). We called them Black Veiled Monsters. Take 15 old hags that have taken vows of chastity and poverty, cloister them together in tight quarters and then set them loose on school boys. Talk about repressed anger! From 3rd grade on the nuns whacked me around. A few priests in HS did the same thing. None of them could hit hard enough to break my will/spirit. That includes a nun that hit me on the crown of my head with a civics book from behind. I had no idea she was there. i saw stars and thought I was going out. Harumph!

            My number was around 175 so I was never sure if I was going or not.

          • AlbertInTucson

            George Carlin (Class Clown – “I used to be Irish-Catholic”):
            “Sister Mary Discipline with the steel ruler (WHACK!) ‘OWWW, my HAAAAND!’ You’d fall 2 years behind in penmanship.
            ‘Well he’s falling behind in penmanship, Mrs. Carlin, I don’t know why.’
            ‘HE’s CRIPPLED! He’s trying to learn to write with his LEFT HAND!’ “

        • Irish Sweetness

          That’s just plain wrong. Lyndon Johnson escalated the war.

          U.S. troops in Vietnam by year :

          1962 – 11,300
          1963 – 16,300 (Kennedy assassinated)
          1964 – 23,300
          1965 -184,300
          1966 – 385,300
          1967 – 485,600
          1968 – 536,100

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        Don’t forget L. Ron Hubbard. He was working with the Jackson 5 on a new song that was so mesmerizing, with a hook so deep that even Gloria Esteban couldn’t salsa to it – it would have caused all the white trash in Florida to defect to Castro and the Cubans.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          You watched “going clear” yet?

          • Ribeyes for Operators

            No. I watched “the Master” which was really a distillation of the asshole

        • SC Dave

          The Bomb

      • Trac

        Ever heard of project blue beam? Nasa and the govt. has been testing holograms in the sky in populated area’s all over the world my man. There’s your ufo ‘ s my man.

        http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/bluebeam.htm#.Vwaa3cko7qA

  • Bender McLugh
    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Good for her. Hopefully some national press interests take up defending her.

      Also, fuck Adam Sheffter for that piece. Scumbag.

      • CanadaBear

        I don’t think Scheffter is a scumbag for doing the interview. Just someone who is afraid of losing his big money job by not following orders. I’d say that makes him more of a spineless weasel than a scumbag. I’m sure the vast majority of ESPN’s on air staff would do the exact same thing. What an industry!

        • Ribeyes for Operators

          He had the discretion to ask the hard questions.

          Hell, *A* hard question. ONE. Such as “why don’t you cop to the beating we know you did?”

          • CanadaBear

            I totally agree but I’m guessing mgmt was pushing the angle he took. That would be consistent with a spineless weasel.

          • Ribeyes for Operators

            I fully agree. That guy Chris Mortensen and Sheffter are the Larry Mayer of the NFL.

        • Irish Sweetness

          It’s not doing the interview that’s the problem, it’s the crazy shit he said afterwards.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He is a bag of dicks.

    • CanadaBear

      She is on HBO’s studio boxing show (The Fight Game). I really like the work she does on that show. She’s 100% correct about this.

    • AlbertInTucson

      This is already her 2nd go around on the 4-Letter.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      I don’t think she will be fired. She has said a lot worse, about Mayweather and Ray Rice and I believe she was suspended for some of those comments. Her comments about Hardy are actually pretty tame compared to things she has said in the past. Good for her for pushing the limits on what she can get away with saying especially about her employer, and knowing she can still get very valid points across even with toned down comments.

    • SC Dave

      More importantly, what is the over under when people stop reading that tripe rag?

  • Irish Sweetness
    • beninnorcal

      Well, one was Matty Forte, that was a good one. Can’t remember the rest.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Goosies.

    • Ribeyes for Operators

      Here’s Tower 3’s demo charges going off. Just for funzies.

      https://twitter.com/RealBiZI1/status/718066682611310592

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        What a loon.

      • Irish Sweetness

        As anyone with eyeballs can see, that was a controlled demolition. It would take weeks or months to wire such a building in an occupied state. Here’s the guy that insured the building for billions of dollars, also fortuitously covering terrorist attacks.

        Larry Silverstein admits that they “pulled” the building. So why was the building conveniently wired for demolition, Larry?

        Larry had a miraculous escape from the tragedy himself. Although he had breakfast daily with his daughter Lisa in the Windows on the World restaurant atop the North Tower, as luck would have it, he had a dermatologist’s appointment that morning.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    MB, here ya goCheck out @mattie_rogers’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/mattie_rogers/status/714843063793950721?s=09

    • CanadaBear

      Badass! I looked through a few of the vids where she is power lifting. She could use a spotter.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Yeah, she sets US powerlifting records and is smoking hot.

        • CanadaBear

          Absolutely! Still can’t believe she doesn’t have a spotter. I’m sure almost every straight male in the gym would volunteer.

        • willbest

          US power lifting records are surprisingly pathetic. I don’t know what class she competes at (I saw one vid where was was in 69kg despite only being 63kg yikes!) but it looks like the US record for women’s 69kg snatch is 101kg, and a 127kg cj. Meanwhile the Olympic records for this are 128 and 158.

          She is going to have a ways to go before she can take on China, Russia, the former Soviet block, Iran, etc.

          • Johnnywad

            You said snatch

          • Irish Sweetness

            Going to have to take a lot of PEDs ….

    • Irish Sweetness

      One of the most annoying comments I get is “must be nice”. Yeah, it is nice. Cause I worked for it. Don’t act like this is “luck”.

      Saucer of milk for table two!

  • Ribeyes for Operators
    • CanadaBear

      Nice seat! How long was the show?

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        2.5 full hours.

        Encores were Run Like Hell and Comfortably Numb.

        • CanadaBear

          Was the sound good?

          • Ribeyes for Operators

            Very clear. My ears are still ringing.

            Front seats vibrated badly when the bass thumped, like the start of Money.

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta love it! Glad it was a great show.

    • Bender McLugh

      screw work, kill em!

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        Seriously, Skid Row? Are you joking?

        • Irish Sweetness

          The Gary Moore or Sebastian Bach version ? As if we didn’t know ….

    • CanadaBear

      I will never understand why people pay money to see a show and then talk all the way through it. I’m guessing the tix where you were sitting were pretty dear (price wise).

      • Ribeyes for Operators

        These guys were travelling the country together. They were going to see Gilmour at Radio City Music Hall. It was like sitting in front of white, spineless, trust fund Cheech and Chong. None of the charm or zaniness, but all of the stupidity.

        • CanadaBear

          FUCK!

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Just endured that last night during the Springsteen concert in KC. The fuck is wrong with people that they can’t just listen for a couple hours and shut their pie holes?

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    Kubiak says today the Broncos have no interest in Johnny Football.

    Johnny Football + access to the Boulder smoke shops = No Playoffs 4U.

    • BearDown100393

      LEAF now gets its sequel.

  • Ribeyes for Operators

    You know I picture the guys at Deadspin like some Jersey shore cast-offs, some real Brooklyn louts sitting in a loft full of Macs churning gossip out all day and calling it content.

    But kudos to them for calling Sheffter out for the spineless weasel he is. They do NOT hold back:

    http://deadspin.com/of-course-adam-schefter-bought-into-greg-hardys-bullshi-1769223362?google_editors_picks=true

    • AlbertInTucson

      Adam Schefter. The man who thinks HIPAA medical privacy rules don’t apply to him.

      • BearDown100393

        The weasel….

      • Irish Sweetness

        And that saying something adamantly makes it true.

        I. Never. Had. Sexual. Relations. With. That. Woman.

  • MB30SD
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  • SC Dave

    Okay… so I’ve joined the bitching about politics… bottom line is incredibly simple. You are powerless. You only have one vote that matters.

    So far as I know, the only one that has made the vote that matters is Irish.

    He does NOT live in the shit storm that is America. And it’s high time I shut my fucking mouth, and give the only vote that matters. The one I make with my feet.

    Damn it, Sac (it was you, right?)! How the FUCK was Ecuador?

    • SC Dave

      BTW, I did go to Uruguay several years back. Should have bought the land…

      … and Rogue Cold Brew aint bad.

      Though its load broad time… meaning time to leave and go home!

    • CanadaBear

      Lots of things to keep in mind if you go somewhere else. Not the least of which is still paying US taxes and getting your social security. I file in both countries and basically pay the Canadian rate. It’s so fucking complicated I have to use an accountant. Still I’m not complaining because I like living in Canada. Not to mention the healthcare.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Different shitstorm, higher temperature ….

    • beninnorcal

      That’s my philosophy, SC. I don’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. My stupid opinion doesn’t matter, not gonna change anyone else’s. So it’s best I keep it to myself. It’s just really hard to do sometimes, especially when certain people seem to think they know what’s best for everyone, but it’s best that way.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Fox with Thayer, Joniak and Mayer talking about FA, but I guess it spills over into the draft.

    He’s looking for smart, quick players, and does indeed champion the running back by committee.

    So that could mean no Shaq Lawson, smaller guys like Darron Lee are in play, and no Ezekiel Elliott (maybe a later round back).

    • CanadaBear

      Larry just adds so much!

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