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Wide Receiver at #7 Hinges Upon New Leadership’s Evaluation of Alshon Jeffery

| April 14th, 2015

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The Bears have been projected by many to take a wide receiver with the seventh pick of the draft. But does that really make sense?

The answer to that question isn’t as simple as determining the team’s draft strategy or analyzing the talent in the draft. It’s more about how the Bears view the best way to build their roster and, in this case, how they view their current talent.

The “best player available” argument is outdated. Every team says they’re going to take the best player available, but they always have an eye on what their team currently needs. Any player drafted in the top-10 is a player that should be a key building block for your team going forward.

In this draft, there are two wide receivers in the top tier in Kevin White and Amari Cooper. One of them figures to be available when the Bears pick, but whether or not they pull the trigger could depend on how they view their current number one receiver, Alshon Jeffery.

Obviously, if the Bears feel either Cooper or White are going to be game-breaking receivers like Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson, it’s a no-brainer. My personal opinion is that Cooper is going to be a star, but very few scouts seem to agree with me. Most seem to think White and Cooper would be ranked below last year’s top receiver, Sammy Watkins. That doesn’t mean they can’t be legitimate number one receivers, but if the Bears already view Jeffery as being at that level, drafting another one when they have so many other holes doesn’t make a lot of sense.

The question isn’t if the Bears should draft a receiver. They should and they should do so in the first three rounds. But do they need to spend such a high pick on one when they have so many other glaring holes.

If you look at the top 10 scoring teams in the league last year, the only team that made a significant investment in two receivers was Green Bay. They didn’t even make that investment until after the season when they signed Randall Cobb to an extension. Still, both Cobb and Jordy Nelson were second-round picks. If you go back one more year, it’s just Green Bay and Chicago. Atlanta thought stockpiling wide receivers would get them over the hump, but they’ve won just 10 games the last two years.

The Bears already have a fair amount invested in pass catchers. Jeffery is likely going to get an extension after this season. Eddie Royal is being paid more than a typical third receiver. They have a significant financial investment in Marty Bennett. Matt Forte caught 101 passes last season, although most of them were dump-offs.

In Denver, Adam Gase and John Fox didn’t necessarily value the second wide receiver position opposite Demaryius Thomas. They let Eric Decker leave as a free agent after the 2013 season, replacing him with the cheaper Emmanuel Sanders. That proved to be a terrific move as Sanders topped 100 catches. But only Sanders and Thomas topped 50 catches last season. The Bears have quite a few guys who are going to want the ball.

The Broncos had five players catch 60 or more passes in 2013, but they had 675 attempts. It seems unlikely that the Bears are going to pass as much with Jay Cutler as Denver did with Peyton Manning.

The Bears passing game was among the best in the league when Jeffery and Brandon Marshall were clicking. They spread the ball around enough to keep Bennett and Forte happy, but their third receiver — Earl Bennett — caught just 32 passes that year. Judging by the contract they gave Royal, they’re expecting a lot more production than that.

By replacing Decker with a cheaper option in Sanders, the Broncos seemed to show that the position could be relatively interchangeable.  Could Marquess Wilson break through and fill that spot? Just about everyone who has seen Wilson play regularly thinks he’s going to be a very good pro. He stunk last year, but it was a difficult situation and, keep in mind, he is younger than White.

Wilson certainly hasn’t shown enough to head into camp as a starter without competition. The Bears could find someone later in what is considered to be a very deep draft at that position. Perhaps USC’s Nelson Agholor in the second round would be just as perfect to fill a role as Cooper or White would be in the first? There are a lot of good wide receivers in this draft; the Bears could find a starter in the third round. There have been a lot of very good receivers drafted after the first round.

But, there’s another part to the discussion. What if the Bears don’t view Jeffery as a number one receiver? What if they think he’s a terrific second option and they want him to be the complement? Regardless of how they view Jeffery, he’s going to be looking to get paid as much as the top receivers in the league and the Bears may not feel he’s worth it.  If that’s the case, then taking a receiver with the seventh pick — provided there is good value there — is a no-brainer.

If they think Jeffery is one of the best in the league at his position, taking a wide receiver that early doesn’t make much sense if they can get near-equal value at another position.

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The issue with projecting who a team “should” take is nobody knows how they rate the players on their roster or their draft. What it boils down to is: if they think Cooper, White or someone else are going to be better than Jeffery, they should draft them without hesitation. If they don’t and can get near-equal value at a more crucial position, that’s the direction they should go.

If neither scenario works out, then it’s time to discuss trades. There are reports that the Dolphins are going to try to move up for White. If that is true, the Bears could get their top-two picks, giving them three in the top 50. Three picks in the top 50 should mean three starters for a team that still needs at least three starters.

In the worst-case scenario, the Bears don’t have Cooper, White or anyone else valued as being “worth” the seventh pick and can’t make a trade. That’s when the “best player available” discussion takes place. If that’s a wide receiver, so be it, but the Bears shouldn’t force a pick for a complementary player.

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  • Trac

    But…but…but…I didn’t think it mattered who the Bears picked at the 7 spot. he he

    • SC Dave

      Data nailed it weeks ago. I want an eight to ten year starter, regardless of position.

      To which I add, I want Kendricks. As i have for at least six weeks.

      • Trac

        The problem with finding a 8 year starting WR is that eventually, they get too expensive to keep.

        • SC Dave

          Maybe, but…

        • that won’t be a problem for another 4 years. Too much talent to afford is a great problem to have. I wish the Bears had it. Instead they keep spending big $$ on other teams’ talent that they choose to let leave.

  • “the Bears could get their top-two picks, giving them four in the top 50.”
    I’m confused… if they trade #7 for #14 and #48, they’d have 14, 39, and 48. That’s only 3 in the top 50.

    I do love the idea of a trade down like that, though.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      I was told there would be no math. Brain fart. Corrected.

  • I see what you’re saying here, but to me this pick still comes down to grabbing a guy you feel confident will be a damn good player for you for the next decade. If that’s a WR, grab him. If it’s not, don’t.
    There’s not a single position on the Bears where they are set for even the next 3 years, so if I were making this pick I would only factor roster needs in as a tiebreaker if I had two (or more) players graded similarly.

    • SC Dave

      Im hoping we get three more good years out of robbie

      • I’m not including K in the considerations for a top 10 pick.

        • SC Dave

          You’re right, and i hope he gives them absolutely no reason to even *think* about another kicker for six or eight years. Last season, I hope, was a anomaly for a top-3 ever placekicker. The most underrated position in football.

      • BearDown100393

        The Bears didn’t get a good season out of Robbie in 2014. He only kicked 9 FG (not completely his fault, apparently FGs are frowned upon in the CFL) but his 75% of FG made doesn’t even land him in the top 30.

      • Cormonster

        Three more years, then the Bears can get this guy with a big leg. He was a true Freshman last year, so he’s got room to “bulk up” some more.

        http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/8/30/6088561/wisconsin-kicker-rafael-gaglianone-has-a-sexy-chunky-kicker-dance

  • Trac

    I thought Alston was a steal in the 2nd round when we got him. Nay I say, we don’t need to draft WR in the first round this year. Fangio is gonna have 1st dibs on who he wants at #7. I’d be shocked if the Bears stayed put and drafted a WR.

    • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

      Isn’t this what the Lions did for a few years, bypassed D with their top pick and went WR? It DID land them Calvin, but still……following the Lions lead isn’t good business.

      • BerwynBomber

        They also swung and missed on a few WRs during Millen’s tenure.

        • Trac

          At least we salvaged old sauce from their sorry ass. Lol. There is that.

        • Johnnywad

          Carlos Rogers. Holy Shit.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Charles Rogers is the WR from Mich State that the Lions drafted on their WR spree. His collar bone was made of glass and he had some off field issues with drugs and domestic violence.

            Carlos Rogers is a DB for the Raiders.

          • Johnnywad

            Yeah him.

      • Trac

        When a team has the first draft pick for what seemed like 5 years, could it be that their head is up there ass? Not a good rationales my friend.

      • Detroit’s problem was not that they drafted too many WRs. It was that they drafted too many bad players. Their drafts under Millen were historically bad.

  • GPLDAN

    Every year Blogfather tweets that he hates pre-draft speculation, and yet every year we get 1 to 2 posts doing exactly that.

    If Pace and Fox have a 3-year plan, we’re not privvy to it.

    The best bet is to look to how the Saints built their Super Bowl team. Also the Cutler thing continues to swirl and could majorly disrupt the 1st round.

    Is anybody going down to the Auditorium and trying to get tickets?

    http://www.nfl.com/drafttown

    • Trac

      Yet he called the Long pick? Ahem, though it was after the fact.

    • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

      I think there’s a dude on South Elston selling some……trust him if you dare

    • BerwynBomber

      It is kind of like how he says he hopes Cutler should be traded if only to stop the madness (of the debate). Then he writes a few posts in the next week or two defending Cutler and saying how we already have our QB in place.

    • BillW

      Well, technically Jeff didn’t write this one – it was AD.

      • GPLDAN

        Sorry I should have noticed. It didn’t read like Jeff.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Right now…I’d rather look at how the Panthers build their Super Bowl team.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Here’s their draft history, Fox joined in 2002. Out of his 1st four seasons he went 7-9 or 11-5, the two 11-5 seasons led to NFC champ game appearances with one win. With Jake (from State Farm) Delhomme. He built the D on Julius Peppers and the O on a solid O-Line and run game, with Steve Smith mixing in bombs. Although Smith was a holdover from the Seifert regime.

        http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/draft.htm

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I know.

          The problems begun when an elite Qb entered the division. He then went bust.

          My point was the big dog is Fox and not Pace…so if you want to watch history the bet goes on where Fox was, not where Pace worked.

        • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

          Jake sounds hideous!

    • I got tickets for Friday night, so I’m good with trading down and getting that extra 2nd rounder!

  • Ken

    I’d just stick with Jeffery, too many other positions needed on this team especially on the defensive side. Cutler has enough people to throw it to. Better to not confuse him.

  • GPLDAN
  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Drafting a WR at 7 would be a useless move, barring that player being much better than anybody around. I’d call it stupid as hell.

    The trade down scenario: Instead of a 2nd rounder in 2015 I’d rather get the 2016 1st rounder from the Dolphins. In case you need resources to trade for a potential franchise Qb next year.

    • Trac

      I love it when civilization rubs off on the natives. I agree.

      • BillW

        And me too. Stockpile 2016 draft choices. This is a transition / developmental year.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          This isn’t a developmental year. People keep going on with this, even in front of obvious contrary factual evidence.

          • BillW

            Just a matter of semantics. Any year that you are not ready yet to compete for the SB is a development year. The only two exceptions? When he team kids themselves into thinking they are good enough – and when the team has no real interest in truly competing for a SB but wants the fans to think they are.

            I think we’ve seen a lot of both in the last 30 years or so (with a few obvious exceptions). Here is my simple definition: if a team has a plan to compete (I believe Pace/Fox do) and they they are just starting to put it in place (which they clearly are) then the team is in a developmental mode. Again – semantics.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The Bears can go to the playoffs this year. That should be the season objective.

          • Trac

            I would love to see the Bears in the playoffs.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2HcRl4wSk

    • NewBearInTown

      Okay Barb. You call the Dolphins and convince them to trade their 2016 1st rounder (likely a middle 12 pick). If you can get them to do the deal, I’m sold.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        The Bears give 2015 7th overall pick and 2016 2nd round pick
        The Dolphins give 2015 14 pick, 2016 1st round pick.

        • Trac

          Dolphins are going to be a good team this year. I wouldn’t bank on the 16th pick next year.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That’s the catch. They’ll think ‘lets do it, we’ll be great this year with Suh so the 2016 pick will be a late one’. Lets go all in this year… a more than likely playoffs or get fired year for Philbin.

  • John Doe

    Leming has updated the draft visit spreadsheet. QB Garrett Grayson is the latest to be added…
    —–
    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 11h11 hours ago
    Add QB Garrett Grayson to the list of prospects due in sometime this week for the #Bears. Running list here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18kVutzhh-Rgwgii0K_9xNeROAg7CgEyeOzGkJT8Wtjs/edit?usp=sharing

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Aaron Hernandez is a murderer. Let’s remember that on draft night when we go, oh he has some minor character concerns but man can he run…

    • BearDown100393

      That ship already sailed with the McDonald signing.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        I know.

      • Irish Sweetness

        We need some wife-beaters in that line-backers’ room.

  • Sactowns#1

    IMHO a WR at #7 is a silly pick. Yes many WR’s can be impact players on day one but we already have 2 impact WR’s with a possible 3rd if he can stay healthy. I think these coaches are true to their word and they want to concentrate on rebuilding the D and running the rock. I expect a LB and either an o lineman or RB in the first 2 rounds. After that it’s BPA.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Fangio has to be screaming for an ILB you build a team around. Who is that guy? Watch POX move into a position to draft him lower than #7. You good draft a great RB to boot.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        The ideal scenario is picking an OLB and make him play ILB, if he has what it takes.

        A Jamie Collins, yes please.

        • that’s what they’re gonna try with Shea and Christian Jones, supposedly.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I’m all in on Christian Jones, but who’s the other one ?

          • Mason Foster seems pretty entrenched as the Mike. I think Jones could be the Jack, though I’d rather see him as the Sam.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            All that Mason Foster seems to be is a 1 year- minimum salary guy while in his prime.

          • I wouldn’t be shocked if Foster plays well and signs an extension next offseason, a la Matt Slauson.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I highly doubt it. Slauson was a steal, not every minimum sign is one.

          • the other one is a beast. http://bit.ly/1axSPrH

    • TheBigCheesy

      are you insinuating that a healthy marquess wilson could be an impact wide receiver?

  • Irish Sweetness

    Good points. When you think of it, Cutty has Forte, AJ, Uni and Eddie Royal. How crucial is the next receiver? Worth a first round pick? They might. I hope they don’t. I hope POX has a hard-on for a LB or two that can be had low 1st and early 2nd. Look for the trade-down.

    • GPLDAN

      This guy’s Robin Williams impression is really good.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Deadly.

  • John Doe

    If you are wanting to be a ground and pound team with good defense, I would pick Andrus Peat at #7.

    He is big dancing bear with nimble feet. He can plug right into RT week 1 this year and may be take over LT in a year or two. Or move Bushrod, whose skills diminshed somewhat last year, to RT and let Peat start at LT right away.

    Pick another RB in round 3 or 4 and start your running game with committee of Forte, Carey, Jaquizz, and Jay Ajayi.

    Andrus Peat would provide great short- and long-term value. Will solve RT need right away and will solve long-term LT need.

    • I was thinking Peat might be a dark horse. No lock down LT this draft class, and while #7 might be too high for an OG, it wouldn’t be for a RT who might.be an LT.

      • that being said, I’m averse to drafting projects high in the first. Go with size, speed + production at a set position

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Man, these fucking college OL are hyped.

      Last year bum Fisher took the big bear, mouth punching OT at No. 2. and played him Guard just to play him at some point during the season.

      Hey moron…how about Blake Bortles, Sammy Watkins or Khalil Mack ? Nope…I’ll take the reserve G.

      I’m not even going to touch the bust high picks OL class of 2013. Everybody was a Joe Thomas and Marshall Yanda in that bunch. The result ? All bums until Long.

    • Irish Sweetness

      A guy projected to play at tackle versus a guy projected to play guard. I like. Like a stud LB too though. Tough spot to pick this year Rather have the extra pick going down and draft two ten-year starters.

  • Trac

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    Jurors call Kraft’s testimony compelling evidence against Hernandez

    Posted by Michael David Smith on April 15, 2015, 12:37 PM EDT

    AP

    Aaron Hernandez’s claim of innocence to Robert Kraft helped jurors decide to convict Hernandez of first-degree murder today.

    After Hernandez, the former Patriots tight end, was found guilty today of murdering Odin Lloyd, jurors told reporters that the testimony of Kraft, the Patriots’ owner, was compelling. Kraft testified under oath that he spoke with Hernandez when reports first surfaced of Lloyd’s death, and that Hernandez had given Kraft an assurance that he was not involved. Hernandez claimed to Kraft that he had been inside a club at the time that Lloyd was killed, which sounds like a good alibi — except that it raised questions in the minds of jurors as to how, exactly, Hernandez could have known what time Lloyd was killed.

    “One part, for me, was Aaron’s alleged statement that . . . he was at a club at that time,” one juror said. “We still don’t know the exact time of Odin’s murder, specifically. So I don’t know how Aaron would have had that information two years ago. Even today, after medical examiners’ review, we still don’t have that information.”

    Jurors believe that Hernandez knew what time Lloyd was killed because Hernandez was the one who killed him. Hernandez proclaiming his innocence to Kraft helped the jurors reach that conclusion.

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    90 Responses to “Jurors call Kraft’s testimony compelling evidence against Hernandez”

    dryzzt23 says:Apr 15, 2015 12:40 PM

    Good. The “reap what you sow” phrase applies in this case.

     

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    swagger52 says:Apr 15, 2015 12:43 PM

    Given all the cheaters and murderers.
    They should rebuild Gillette stadium on Alcatraz.

     

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    Florio Believer says:Apr 15, 2015 12:44 PM

    Oops…it’s really hard to remember all of your lies

     

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    ravenswhat says:Apr 15, 2015 12:45 PM

    That’s ridiculous. Look, we all know he meant he was in a club during that time. It’s well established Lloyd was killed very late at night. So if that’s the piece of evidence that did it for them amongst all the other damning evidence…I don’t even know what to say.

     

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    magnumpimustache says:Apr 15, 2015 12:45 PM

    who wants to place a bet that the Patriots will be in the Super Bowl again next year, by the way we want it this past year

     

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    wademaxwell1990 says:Apr 15, 2015 12:47 PM

    Justice was definitely served today. Just makes me wonder how many other criminals are in that patriot locker room.

     

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    ravensbob says:Apr 15, 2015 12:47 PM

    Liars club-new England kraft’s

     

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    tim2200 says:Apr 15, 2015 12:49 PM

    Sharp jury to pick up on that.

     

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    fatsolio says:Apr 15, 2015 12:51 PM

    I think the guy is guilty as sin but I don’t see this as some key piece of evidence. Didn’t they have a general time of when he would have been killed seeing as there was info that showed they were together up until one point? If so, it isn’t hard then to understand how a guy could say he was somewhere else during that time if he said he was in that place for hours.

    A bit frightening if this was a big key piece of evidence for their decision.

     

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    iammrbinky says:Apr 15, 2015 12:51 PM

    To know the exact time that Lloyd was killed implies only one thing.

     

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    tindeaux says:Apr 15, 2015 12:52 PM

    such a great talent, such a wasted life…

     

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    whatnojets says:Apr 15, 2015 12:52 PM

    Gun in one hand, blood on the other hand ” I didn’t do it, I’m innocent”

     

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    mcjon22 says:Apr 15, 2015 12:53 PM

    And Ray Lewis will be on Sportscenter soon to speak about the murder conviction. SMH!!!

     

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    ragnarthegreat says:Apr 15, 2015 12:54 PM

    I hate the patriots but I have to give Kraft credit for getting involved and talking with Hernandez. A lot of owners would have distanced themselves from the whole thing and played “hands off owner”. In this case he made a difference.

     

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    keylimelight says:Apr 15, 2015 12:54 PM

    Can someone please clarify something for me?

    In the immediate aftermath of the killing, didn’t the media come out and report that 2 people who were working at a nearby industrial park claim to have heard gun shots at such and such a time?

    The media were scraping all kinds of evidence together and reporting it as soon as they knew it and Hernandez could’ve gotten that info from TV. I guess I need to know when did his conversation with Kraft take place?

    What am I missing?

     

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    randygnyc says:Apr 15, 2015 12:56 PM

    The only reason Hernadez got rid of the gun was that it was registered to and bought by Kraft. It was in the swag bag that all Patriot’s get when arriving at camp.

     

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    oldtrafforddevil says:Apr 15, 2015 12:57 PM

    ravenswhat says:
    Apr 15, 2015 12:45 PM
    That’s ridiculous. Look, we all know he meant he was in a club during that time. It’s well established Lloyd was killed very late at night. So if that’s the piece of evidence that did it for them amongst all the other damning evidence…I don’t even know what to say.

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    Doesn’t matter what “he meant” – it’s what he said.

    He could have clarified what “he said” by taking the stand – couldn’t he? But he didn’t….

    Bottom line – Kraft’s testimony showed that Hernandez is a liar. Video evidence (him going back to the house, with the other 2 guys, carrying gun etc) doesn’t show him at a club, does it.

    Once the seed of doubt it sown and you don’t get on the stand to refute it…

     

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    flipola says:Apr 15, 2015 12:57 PM

    I guess he could have theoretically been in a club all night.

     

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    tommythehaus says:Apr 15, 2015 12:58 PM

    all the patriot haters coming out in swarms today…so the last 8 months must have been pretty rough for you guys huh…. SUPER BOWL CHAMPS! let me lick your tears haters

     

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    jasonkane22 says:Apr 15, 2015 12:58 PM

    Not only does it imply he knew what time the murder took place, but didn’t his own lawyers admit he witnessed the murder during closing arguments? I think that’s more of a damper on his alibi then implications that he knew what time the murder occurred..

     

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    6ball says:Apr 15, 2015 12:58 PM

    Being a feature TE in a Brady run offense is about as good as it gets. Life in prison without the possibility of parole is about as bad as it gets.
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    swagger52 says:Apr 15, 2015 12:58 PM

    It takes a thief to catch a thief.

     

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    J.J. Watt for President says:Apr 15, 2015 12:59 PM

    This is the worst piece of evidence i’ve ever read.

    With that being said, i’ll say this, Life without parole was too much. Say what you want but there are 1000’s of murders every year and I know for a fact they don’t all get life without parole. I mean a lot of them don’t even get life! If this was an example to be made I completely and totally disagree with it. When you’re dealing with life and the law, examples should never ever EVER be made. All people should be tried equally.

    On top of the fact that when you roll with people like that, you know what you’re doing. When you choose to live outside of the law, go to clubs, carry guns, deal with drugs, roll with gangs, you know what you’re getting into. Every single person who does that knows that they could be killed at any given time. Does this mean I think he should have gotten off. NO. Life without parole though, that’s tough. He got his time though and he did something truly terrible.

     

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    PATRIOTSDYNASTYLIVES says:Apr 15, 2015 1:02 PM

    This case is so far away from football its not even funny. This is about human dignity and respect for another human being. He just happens to play football. America loves the feel good story of the kid from the bad enviorment making it out and doing good in life. Well that doesnt always happens. Not everyone makes it and AH and guys like Rae Curruth are living proof. This is sad on many levels….a life was taken , over stupid circumstances, and a little girl doesnt have a father ……there are no winners here today , but justice for Lloyd………

     

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    swagger52 says:Apr 15, 2015 1:02 PM

    Patriots throwback jersey will be appropriately prison stripes.

     

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    mcjon22 says:
    Apr 15, 2015 12:53 PM

    And Ray Lewis will be on Sportscenter soon to speak about the murder conviction. SMH!!!
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    That’s because Ray didn’t kill anyone, get over it.

     

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    snakeplizkn says:Apr 15, 2015 1:05 PM

    You’re missing the fact that Hernandez shot a friend in the face, killed another before Odin and was seen on video in his own house with a gun that night, his DNA was on gum found at the scene and the text messages from Odin saying if he disappears he is with “NFL”……for starters.

     

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    bakeberryjam says:Apr 15, 2015 1:06 PM

    ravenswhat says:
    Apr 15, 2015 12:45 PM
    That’s ridiculous. Look, we all know he meant he was in a club during that time. It’s well established Lloyd was killed very late at night. So if that’s the piece of evidence that did it for them amongst all the other damning evidence…I don’t even know what to say.

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    It’s rather simple.
    If you make a very specific alibi, when the time of murder was never confirmed, well… things aren’t looking too good for you.

     

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    dusthtyrhothdes says:Apr 15, 2015 1:10 PM

    Ya and also the fact that odin lloyd is basically family to AH he would have heard about what happened so this big revelation by the jury regarding kraft is kind of alarming as this was the sticking point if this was their smoking gun

     

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    theravens1 says:Apr 15, 2015 1:11 PM

    The Government can convict Hernandez faster than the NFL can make a decision on Deflation Gate.

     

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    redrew says:Apr 15, 2015 1:12 PM

    AHern went from telling Kraft he was in a club at the time of the murder to having his attorney tell the jury AHern was at the scene of the murder at the time of the murder. Kraft’s testimony established that the defendant is a liar and his attorney is complicit in a deception designed to deceive the jury. Expect his associates to plead out to avoid life. Also expect at least one associate to be vocal. AHern ratted them out…..and revenge is a bitch.

     

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    whenwilliteverend says:Apr 15, 2015 1:12 PM

    I’m sure Hernandez was sitting there wishing he could get rid of the jurors and the prosecutors. He was probably thinking the same thing about Kraft when he was on the stand essentially calling him a liar. He probably can’t believe people disrespected him.

    He’s a sociopath. Maybe his defense team will base an appeal on too many hits on the head while he was playing football.

     

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    billswillnevermove says:Apr 15, 2015 1:12 PM

    Very smart jury!!!

     

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    tim2200 says:Apr 15, 2015 1:14 PM

    Sharp prosecutor to put Kraft on the stand so he could introduce Hernandez statement/attempted alibi.

     

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    justintuckrule says:Apr 15, 2015 1:15 PM

    Not good news to hear if your Kraft. Who wants to be known as the guy who put the gangster away for life. Surely not me.

     

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    steeelfann0155 says:Apr 15, 2015 1:18 PM

    So pathetic of a human. A guy who God gave good health, good talent, physical size, a good country to be raised in, lots of wealth, every opportunity. I guess the old biblical verse of “To those who are given much, much will be expected” (or something like that), Hernandez did evil, very evil things. Hard to be sure if this will be his biggest sentence. What a shame when you think of all the good people that struggle with blindness, crippled, poverty, whatever, and this guy had so much.

     

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    conormacleod says:Apr 15, 2015 1:21 PM

    With that being said, i’ll say this, Life without parole was too much.
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    So, if it was your brother or son murdered, you’d say; “well, he knew what he was getting into”? It’s murder 1. Even if the victim was into drugs or a POS like Hernandez, life is a good sentence. The sentence not only punishes what he did, but it also protects society from what he could do to the innocent in the future.

     

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    bigbenh8tr says:Apr 15, 2015 1:25 PM

    I think he’s guilty but still not so sure about the justice system here. Seems pretty similar to what OJ got off on

     

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    thebigtexas says:Apr 15, 2015 1:29 PM

    Wasn’t that entire point rendered moot once the defense attorney admitted Hernandez was at the murder scene and ‘witnessed’ it? I mean, I get that both are damning to Hernandez, but they basically say the same thing there. He lied to Kraft about where he was – and then admitted he was at the scene of the crime. What made the time of the murder relevant to the jury? I guess it doesn’t matter at this point.

     

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    bobleblah says:Apr 15, 2015 1:30 PM

    EVERYTHING you say can and WILL be used against you.

     

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    jumbomesquite says:Apr 15, 2015 1:31 PM

    The time of Lloyd’s killing doesn’t matter, his lawyers admitted he was there. The only thing Kraft’s testimony proved is that AH lied to his boss about it.

     

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    swagger52 says:Apr 15, 2015 1:32 PM

    Too bad the Jury couldn’t work like it does the NFL..

    Hernandez was in the process of tucking the gun, just start over and act like nothing happened.

     

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    sdcharger123 says:Apr 15, 2015 1:33 PM

    There goes any hope of them complaining about the jury in appeals. Smart jury if they put that together. Kraft I’m sure will have extra security around him for a while.

     

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    sumkat says:Apr 15, 2015 1:35 PM

    I think some of you guys need to pick up a dictionary. Just because something is “compelling”, does not mean it was the key piece of evidence that convicted him

    In this case, when you tell your boss (Kraft), that you were at a club the whole night, and it can be proven that you were not, that is compelling evidence that you are dishonest

    It doesn’t mean his DNA at the scene, video of him carrying a gun, then trying to destroy his own security camera, destroying his own phone, ect weren’t more important. It just means that it helped them form an opinion of the mans honesty

     

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    taylorhornung says:Apr 15, 2015 1:36 PM

    Let’s try to explain it to those who can’t grasp how a circumstantial case rightly results in a guilty verdict, if the crcumstancs are strong enough. We’ll try to do it in a manner the befuddled can begin to comprehend.

    You walk into a room, where there is a television on, but the volume is muted. On the television, you see a Packer catching a football, then running into the end zone, then leaping into the stands of a football stadium. He is being slapped on tha back by happy people wearing Packer gear. You identify the Packer as a defensive player. The next shot on the t.v. shows a Bear walking off the field, and you identify the player as Jay Cutler, with a disgusted look on his face. Then, in the next shot, you see the Packers kick the ball through the uprights, snapping the ball very close to the end zone.

    Now, you didn’t actually see Ol’Jay throw the ball, and you haven’t actually heard anybody say that he threw the ball. However, do you really think it is reasonable to doubt that Jay Cutler threw a pass that was intercepted, and returned for a td?

     

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    edavidberg says:Apr 15, 2015 1:36 PM

    Juror comments are always interesting but it can be hard to explain why exactly you feel the way you do about something.

    The bottom line is that if you are in a car you rented with 4 guys, the car drives to a vacant lot and one of the occupants is executed, and you are later seen on tape disposing of a gun matching the murder weapon ten or fifteen minutes after the murder, any reasonable person is going to find you guilty of murder without a compelling explanation. The fact that you lied to your boss about being in the club at the time of the murder is just icing on the cake.

     

    Cut and pasted this comment from PFT’s comment section on the Hernandez verdict. Nor sure a cheese head or Bears fan posted it. Lol.

     
    kenberthiaume says:Apr 15, 2015 1:37 PM

    Well, given that the defense admitted that he was there for the actual shooting, I don’t see how the fact that he “knew” when he was killed would be damning.

    And if he had said he was in a club when he was killed, that doesn’t mean that he knew the exact moment. He may have been making a general assumption if he was in a club most of the night that that’s when it was.

    Now in this case the above paragraph is moot, because the defense admitted he was actually there. Which again, means that his false alibi in and of itself is pretty meaningless. What was he supposed to say (assuming he was innocent) “Gee boss…yeah, one of my entourage shot him…”.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    “The jurors who determined that former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd conducted a joint press conference on Wednesday”

    What a fuck ? I had no idea such things happen. Crazy stuff.

    • Trac

      Book deal is in the works. Welcome to the 24 hr news cycle.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Kane plays, Vermette scratched

    • Shady

      Are those the launch codes for the old broken Romanian Jericho missile system?

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        no that would be way too complex. my guess those codes are 1-2-3-4-5

        • Shady

          + so many points for that clip. Love Mel Brooks.

          • GPLDAN

            yeah… nice

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Are the launch code for the best kind of sport in the world…NHL Playoffs.

    • I think it’s more that he has certain style of players that he likes, often at the expense of seemingly better players, and it can end up hurting Chicago’s offense because they get basically nothing from their 3rd and 4th lines. It’s hard for fans to see players get shipped out from Chicago and go on to have statistical success elsewhere.

      My biggest thing is that he sticks with old guys who are clearly done too long (Handzus last year, Rozsival this year) instead of letting a younger player take their minutes all season to be ready for the playoffs.

      I also have no freaking clue why Vermette has been getting played as a wing when Shaw is still playing center.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        You either deserve it or don’t. Fans asking the HC to play players that don’t deserve it is insanity.

  • Scott W.

    Last season was supposed to be spectacular, in large part because or our WR personnel.
    Unfortunately, they had to play for Marc Trestman. So we wind up shipping Marshall off, and now we draft Cooper or White with our 7th, based on an eval of AJ?
    Not….really…..seeing that…

    • GPLDAN

      That episode of ST:TOS where the transporter splits Kirk into two, and one is his raging id and the other his ego, and his ego side is a wishy washy dork and so ineffectual nobody even WANTS him on the bridge anymore, while his id side is running around the ship trying to bang nurse Chapel – yeah, that ego side was Marc Trestman.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Minor detail but he was trying to bed the much hotter, Janice Rand, his Yeoman.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Ha. Or the good/bad Enterprise in ‘Mirror mirror’. Bad Uhura was smo-kin.

        • AlbertInTucson

          True, but “The Captain’s Woman” in the “Mirror-Mirror” episode, Marlena Moreau was even hotter.

      • Jack Lacan

        The Trouble With Tribbles is without doubt one of the best ST’s ever.

  • AlbertInTucson

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    . @janikbears Or that is just your opinion. And I stated mine. When did every person on Twitter start thinking they’re Jim Finks?”

    Oh, I’d say about 10 seconds after twitter went on line.

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