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What Does Kevin White Selection Mean?

| May 1st, 2015

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With the seventh pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, Ryan Pace and John Fox did what many predicted they would do and selected West Virginia wide receiver Kevin White. What does the pick mean?

  • It means Pace won’t be pressured into fixing the defense overnight. Nobody would have faulted the new GM for taking Beasley or Dupree in this slot and pointing to the 2014 defensive rankings. Instead Pace went for high upside and gave Jay Cutler another weapon.
  • It means the Bears aren’t sure Alshon Jeffery is a true number one receiver. If they were I’d have to believe they wouLd have been looking for a complementary player later in the draft.
  • It means the 2015 Bears are going to give Jay Cutler some very easy throws. I expect this offense will feature even more bubble screens than Trestman’s did but now those screens will have big play potential and not just embarrass the city of Chicago on Thanksgiving.
  • It means the Bears weren’t willing to give up what the Titans wanted for Marcus Mariota. Based upon what Tennessee turned down from Philly, I can only imagine what it would have taken to pry that pick loose.
  • It may mean the Bears REALLY DID commit to Cutler short term once Mariota deal died. White is big and loves to go up and get the ball. Those are Cutler’s favorite types of receivers.

Willhe be great? Who knows. But he will be interesting to watch.

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  • Viva

    Dude’s got wheels.

  • Waffle

    Kevin White seems like a great guy. He is fast, big, athletic….

    The Bears needed to give Vic Fangio the tools to create a game changing defense. The offense has way more pieces in place but we don’t even have a noseguard for a 3-4 D……
    We’re going to make Willie Young and Jared Allen try to play OLB???

    It’s not that he’s not going to be a good player…..it’s that we don’t need a WR at #7 coming off of the shit show D of the last 2 years.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Hopefully more if not the rest of the picks are for the D.

      Although Fox would never coach this team to ever be terrible, the Bears will have high picks to get more studs next year I believe if they aren’t gelling this year. However if the lightning in a bottle happens, No One will complain if a playoff push happens

    • willbest

      They did do more in FA than I would have expected them too.

    • I said before the draft it would be O-heavy. Pace has brought in 5-6 starters on D in FA and has a lot more young talent to work with on D than O.

      Still expecting a QB and OL at least, maybe a 2nd OL, RB, and/or TE too.

    • Big Mike

      Pace showed discipline. Took the guy he thought was the best player on his board.

      Defensively we signed 5-6 FAs. Fangio knows what he has and doesn’t

  • Shady

    Oh… He’ll be great.

    • Waffle

      haha, i’m trying to picture how you just said that.

  • BearDown100393

    It means he is now a Chicago Bear. Goodnight.

  • John Doe

    Missed Aaron Donald by one spot last year. Missed Leonard Williams by one spot this year. I was bummed out by Jets picking Williams. They needed a WR and should have picked White.

    • willbest

      Well Fuller was a solid consolation prize, and could develop even better. We will see with White.

      • NewBearInTown

        Based on his physical gifts, White’s upside is Calvin Johnson. If he gets anywhere close to that (Fitzgerald, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Brandon Marshall) we’ve done very well.

    • Trac

      Trading Marshall to them cost us Williams.

      • Waffle

        nope, beating them last year did….and i’d do it again. You play to win the game. (insert Herm Edwards clip)

      • Irish Sweetness

        This, Trac. This.

        The Marshall trade will have far-reaching implications when all of this plays out.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Of all the teams in the NFL, the Jets didn’t need a receiver – Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker had like 12 TDs last year. Kerley has his fans. There’s no way they could have passed on the highest non-QB prospect.

  • NewBearInTown

    Repost: I like the White pick. Nothing too clever, just a solid player that everyone expected to go in the top 10, fills a need and is genuinely physically gifted. Sounds like he needs to work on his route running to compete in the pros, but that as a physical screen player, a jump ball guy or a deep 9 route guy he’ll be very successful.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      With the trend of NFL rules protecting offensive players more and more every season, it is not surprising that the straight shooter high jump ball grabbers down the field are what teams are aiming for. I think that the rules protecting receivers that run routes are more murky and riskier for players and teams. But hey I’ve been drinking so what do I know?

      • willbest

        While true, RB values seem abnormally high this year over the last few years. Vets getting big deals, 2 going in the top 15

        • NewBearInTown

          Market correction. Possibly an over-correction.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            I think the market has to adjust accordingly to what the possible production that RBs produce, especially since not many of them have had injury issues lately. Quite a few aren’t producing Canton-bound numbers but their presence on the field and percentage of carries are the leverage they have to get those contracts even though they aren’t sky high stats of true production . Injuries are the bane to contract paydays for the kind of sport this is

      • NewBearInTown

        You’re not wrong. But hey, it works it works.

    • SC Dave

      Assuming he can catch the thang…

  • NewBearInTown

    Quite a few first round defensive guys still on the board. No clue if the Bears would make the move, but we could easily trading up for another first round pick if the right guy is there.

    • willbest

      I suppose it depends on how far some guys fall

  • willbest

    Broncos trade up for Shane Ray… how far he fell

  • Trac

    Patting yourself on the back Jeff? Go ahead, you were half right.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Shane Ray goes where weed is on the lay low. I hear it’s hard to get your hand on some ganja over there around Denver.

  • Trac

    That safety from USC still hasn’t been drafted.

    • NewBearInTown

      No safeties so far. No inside linebackers either. And only two quarterbacks. Lots of options in round 2.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The Packers got Damarious Randall.

        • NewBearInTown

          Yeah, that happened a bit later. But I didn’t want Randall anyway. Still plenty of great prospects on the board.

  • NewBearInTown

    Interesting with the Broncos/Lions trade and Niners/Chargers trade. Teams preferring to give two fourth/fifth rounders rather than one second day pick. I think the strength of this draft is day 2 and teams don’t want to lose those picks.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      The mid rounds is what will define the Bears current regime, no joke. It’s the bread…White is the butter

    • FourFeathers

      My takeaway from tonight is that this a lousy 1st round batch of talent. Weakest in years. You are right in that the value needs to be found in round 2 and 3.

      • Trac

        A lot of underclassmen came out last year.

        • SC Dave

          In a Michael Sam sort of way?

  • FourFeathers

    The Bears are building and it can’t all happen in one offseason. White was a solid pick. The Cutler angle? Well barring the unforeseen he will be let go after one more year. So we don’t know who ultimately will be leading the offense on 2016 and beyond.

    • NewBearInTown

      Don’t assume Cutler is gone. We could draft a QB tomorrow, have him work behind Cutler for a year and realize that the dropoff is absolutely tremendous.

      • FourFeathers

        If not for his awful contract Cutler would already be gone. Very very clear to me that Pace and Fox want to move on from Cutler as fast as possible. Also need to realize one more thing. The Bears are doubtful going to win a lot of games in 2015.

        • beninnorcal

          Probably not(re: wins in ’15), but what’s for sure is that none of us here have any idea what’s ahead in ’15. They still have to play the games.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    The patriots trade up and take CB Jones or CB Collins

  • Waffle

    Shaq Thompson is making my dream of a hybrid LB/DB a reality. About two years ago i was predicting the emergence of LB/DB hybrids that could run with TE’s , stack the box against the run and play nickel in certain situations…..

    My dream has become a reality. Shaq Thompson for your consideration ladies and gentlemen.

    I feel like the first guy to figure out that the earth was round.

    • they used to have those guys, they were called SS. But they couldn’t cover well enough and started dying out. Now they’re re-emerging as undersized LBs.

      • Waffle

        Shaq Thompson is a freak though, he plays RB and ST. I should become an agent and start grooming this niche type player.

        • SC Dave

          Yeah, it’s easy. Just find the next Urlacher.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Easy. Find an ex-receiver who played safety.

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      I been on that bandwagon for a while. Dudes best position is running back but wants a long career.

      S.T.U.D.

  • There goes Breshad Perriman, the first WR drafted who I don’t think is better than the guy Chicago grabbed at #7.

    It’s pick 26. And there’s still at least 2 more WRs I would rather have than White (DGB, who’s basically a better version of White in that they’re both incredibly gifted and incredibly raw, only DGB is much more gifted, and Lockett. Maybe Jamison Crowder too).

    Sigh. I really hope I’m wrong on this kid.

    • Scott W.

      Probably won’t mean jack, but living here in WV, I’ve watched him play a lot.

      I promise, you’re wrong on this one, Jonathon. He’s a genuine playmaker. His runs after the catch are impressive to watch.

      • I really hope so. I saw a guy who runs fast in a straight line and can win jump balls but doesn’t do much else. Those guys don’t typically do well in the NFL.

        I REALLY hope I’m wrong. I will happily eat a heaping helping of crow.

        • Scott W.

          The biggest challenge for white will be adjusting to closing speeds of NFL corners and linebackers, and the complexities of the route tree. I give him 6 games to start coming on.

          • if he can’t beat out Marquess Wilson from day 1 of training camp, that does not bode well.

          • Scott W.

            I wasn’t calling him a weak idiot, Jonathan. His downsides are better than Wilson’s ups.
            Point here is that as he’s being dissected fingernail by fingernail here on the blog, those are the 2 things you MIGHT see and have to wait on a little. He will be good, Jonathan. Very good.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      DGB can’t lay off the ganja so I’m glad we didn’t grab him. I liked Perriman too, that’s going to be an interesting comparison over the next few years between him and White. The Jets messed this whole thing up for us.

  • Trac

    I counted 5 OT coming off the board already. I guess we are all set at tackle.

    • NewBearInTown

      Maybe we don’t take a guy in the second round, but we could still add someone later on. A busy first round doesn’t mean much for a guy you projected to take in the fourth.

      • Irish Sweetness

        How about La’el Collins ? He was in the discussion for top tackle …..

        If the risk is too much, then Jalen Collins or Eddie Goldman.

        • NewBearInTown

          In the fifth, I’m on board. But the criminal case might make him kryptonite. The teams will know more than the media for another couple of days.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Come on NFL Network bastards. Get over the Cowboys. I can’t take it anymore seeing them congratulating themselves each time they’re on TV.

    • Scott W.

      They’re America’s Team, Barb. Sheesh.

    • SC Dave

      Almost as bad as watching the Patriots, that.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I doubt they let cameras in their ‘war room’ or whatever they call it.

  • There goes Byron Jones to your pats, Barb.
    Thank Mr. Jones.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    How cool was Jones ? He didn’t hug the creep stranger like everybody does for whatever reason.

  • Meows select Tomlinson. An OG ranked 92 on NFPs big board about 3 slots behind OG Ali Marpet.

    • NewBearInTown

      411 I read says he’s an absolute beast in straight ahead, but struggles against speed or stunts. I suspect Fangio will target him quite a bit with some clever blitz schemes.

  • Some leftovers perhaps.
    NT Phillips, Goldman, Brown.
    SS Collins, FS Randall
    ILB McKinney, Kendricks
    OLB/DE Mario Edwards, Eli Harold.

    • The top TE Maxx Williams is still available too, if the Bears want to dump Bennett or go heavy double TE

      • NewBearInTown

        We’ve got 10 picks left before we’re on the clock again. You’ve named 11 players. Someone will be there from your list (though I see some of those prospects as better than others).

        • SC Dave

          Kendricks

          • NewBearInTown

            I would trade up for Kendricks at this point. The only things stopping me are that McKinney is also on the board and that we’re short on picks. But yeah, he’s definitely where my attention is focused.

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      Don´t discard Gregory, it would be a heck of a pick tomorrow, even with pot.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    that phillip dorsett looks like a potential weapon. The colts really liked with, it seems.

  • Waffle

    Pack just picked their new Woodson

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      interesting pick.

    • NewBearInTown

      Seems like a solid player, but may be too small for the NFL. Good safety though… I’m sure MB is thrilled.

    • Not even close.
      He’s sort of a tweener. CB/S hybrid who might be nickle at first.
      He compares more to the 9ers Jimmy Ward.
      Also, not sure what this says about what the Puke think about Ha-Ha

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Nooooo there goes Anthony

    • NewBearInTown

      Two more good inside linebackers on the board. Would love to see us get Kendriks.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Lets see what a fuck belichick does. CB, G or DT ?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      DT Malcom Brown…typical pick.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        21 years old, father of 2 girls, one adopted.

        versatile player.

  • NewBearInTown

    Did Goodell do something special to earn Jeff’s ire? Or was that last tweet out of left field?

    • burntorangenavyblue

      The bro hugs got silly and old very fast. These are the same players that will say “Fuck you” to Goodell at any moment’s notice because of the way he runs things, so the false pretense is just too much for me and any other fans

      • NewBearInTown

        Listen I agree with Jeff. I was just curious if I missed another gem after the Marioto screw up.
        Why does that guy go on stage? Send someone popular up there to pump up the crowd. A guy like Deion Sanders or Bill Polian. They might not be the best reporters in the world, but at least they’ll elicit some cheers.
        Personally, I think each team sends a representative to the draft and that’s the guy that goes up to announce the team selection. The Bears could send someone like Anthony Adams – how much better would that be?

        • burntorangenavyblue

          Sounds good to me….but makes too much sense to the NFL….

        • BerwynBomber

          “Why does that guy go on stage?”

          Ego and tradition would be my guess. The latter “justifying” the former.

      • Doc Hamstring

        Yeah, except you’re a 22 year-old who’s just achieved your dream of being drafted in the 1st round and being guaranteed more money than your entire family has seen in the last 50 years. You’re excited and happy enough that you’d hug Hitler.

        Plus, you want to get on the Rog’s good side so he goes easy on the fines when your socks aren’t pulled up all the way.

  • Shady

    Lot’s of talent still left on the board, should be plenty of opportunity for Pace, Gase, Fox and Fangio to grab another winner.

  • Irish Sweetness

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000489095/article/2015-nfl-draft-best-remaining-prospects

    We’re getting a stud next. Jalen Collins might be the best CB in the draft. Landon could be there. Eddie Goldman? Eli Harold? McKinney?

    • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

      My Money is on Harold, although Gregory and Collins would be a steal tomorrow

      • Irish Sweetness

        We’d have to draft Landon if he was there. The flags on Gregory could make me pass.

        Jalen Collins might be better than Waynes. Replacing both Peanut and Brandon would be nice.

        I don’t think we’ll draft an OLB. It just occurred to me that Jared Allen is still a Bear and is now an OLB. McPhee. Jones, Greene, McClellin, yada yada …

        We really do need a NT. Goldman?

        STRENGTHS
        Carries broad shoulders and well-proportioned frame. Plays the run like a full-grown man. Outstanding power in upper body. Plays with good hip flexion. Explodes out of stance and into defenders with force and leverage. Violent hands that jar offensive linemen and force them into defensive posture. Able to shed blockers with hands or with clubbing arms and spring into ball carrier. Can two-gap at the point of attack and plays square throughout, leveraging gap when offenses try to block him on an angle. Bull-rusher with ability to invert pocket, ringing up six sacks over last two seasons.

        WEAKNESSES
        Scouts consider him incomplete as a player due to his lack of consistent pass rush. Marginal burst upfield. Square rusher who hasn’t learned to get to shoulder of the guard consistently yet. Rushes with leg stiffness and plays too tall when attacking. No pet move to create an opening. Scouts have questions about whether or not he can be an explosive penetrator in a 4-3 front.

        • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

          Jalen collins sounds nice also. but you have a point with OLB, at this point bears still don´t know what they have among all of them, better try them first.

          Goldman sounds like “poor man” Danny Shelton, I´d roll the dice on one of the huge DT with higher potencial like Phillips or Carl Davis to roll them all over the line instead. but it is my opinion

    • U know I’m on board with McKinney.
      Landon Collins in the 2nd would be good value. I’ve been a broken record earlier on, SS with limited coverage skill aren’t top 10, but I seriously didn’t consider him falling out of the 1st entirely. I thought the back end.
      NT Jordan Phillips, NT Goldman, CB Collins, ILB Kendricks, OLB/DE Edwards, FS Holliman
      Are likely targets on D for us.
      On O, still a few Olinemen.
      OT Clemmings, OT Fisher, OG Tre Jackson (a mauler), OG Cann.
      TE Max Williams might be in play too.

      That’s to mention QB Petty and Grayson, though I fully expect one of them to be drafted, thus pushing one of the above to us.

  • FourFeathers

    My guess is Pace goes with OT or S in round 2 based on need and who sits available right now.

  • George Hotchkiss

    The pick is fine, a 6′ 3″, 4.35 wide out is a freak. My concern is that Marshall was basically let go and we had to use a first round pick to replace him. If Marshall was moved for a two I could have lived with it. The organization is iffy in my mind at this point. They let Peae and Marshall go for nothing, they were top end players on the team. The last gm coach combo was so bad Pace and Fox have to be better. I just want the Bears stop the run on D and establish the run on O. That is what football is all about.

    • I was one that wanted to keep Bmarsh, but it became obvious that a rift developed between him and Cutty, and perhaps the team. Lots of stories began leaking about players tuning out Bmarsh, so that’s why he was let go (same reason the Broncos and Dolphins wanted him gone).

      • Irish Sweetness

        So why didn’t they move Cutty? He was worth more to us elsewhere. We’d have been sitting on an extra first round pick, and likely drafted two defensive players. I think there was a rift too, the NY show was just a smoke-screen. One ego too many ? Get rid of the one we don’t need, not the top five guy.

        Drafting White certainly eases the pain.

        • The Bears WERE (still might be) trying to get rid of Cutler, but no one wanted him, especially with that contract.
          If the price wasn’t as steep, Mariota might be a Bear tonight.
          I really expect the Bears to take a hard look at Bryce manana.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Thinking about it, why would Tennessee trade for Cutler when they can draft Mariota?

            I hope they pick up a Center and a HB in the alter rounds, because with AJ and White, Zach Miller at TE, Matty …. that’s a pretty good set-up for Sling-it-Sammy right there.

        • Big Mike

          QB was not the problem. See how easy Marshall was replaced and probably upgrades. Enough with the get rid of Cutker solves all the problems in the world nonsense. Getting rid of him after last session is a panic move. His value to any other team has never been lower. He will have a solid 2016 and be worth substantially more in trade.

    • NewBearInTown

      Interestingly enough, we may get a compensatory pick for Paea in 2016.
      The Marshall trade frees up cap space and opportunities for Jeffery. I really liked Marshall on this team, but better to trade him a year early than a year late. We did get some draft compensation there and we’ve saved probably $20M at the position because we made the move. If White works out as a complement to Jeffery, Pace made the right moves.

    • Big Mike

      He has better physical skills than Marshall. Quite a bit faster. Younger, less expensive. The pick shows discipline. He was the best player available. team is getting younger. That’s important. Paea was a free agent. Fox didn’t let her go Emery did

  • After #8, one could argue that the rest of the 1st round were more or less in the same tier except Gurley/Gordon (and some don’t even see Beasly as “blue-chip”).
    That’s probably why few trades developed.
    It’ll be interesting to see if more trades take place. After about 10ish, there’s a drop off in talent IMO. More teams might want to trade up in the 2nd and get guys at positions they really need.
    I also expect a heavy run (pun intended) at RB, ILB and S in the 2nd.

    • Big Mike

      The book on this draft class was 15 true first round talent, but a very strong top 50

    • NewBearInTown

      The one year wonder angle sounds familiar. Kevin White came from junior college and had one great year at a major D1 program. He’s got outstanding physical gifts, but seems a bit raw.
      He’s basically Kyle Long, but playing wide receiver.

      • Big Mike

        Actual his college resume is much better. He simply got better every year. 1 year wonder implies, I good year surrounded (before and after) by mediocre/bad years. That is not the case with White. Love the pick.

  • NewBearInTown

    I find it interesting that some of the players the blog insisted were “must draft” prospects at #7 are still on the board in the second round. Now those same names are again being tossed around as guys “we can’t pass on.”
    If I made you GM for the draft, you would have a meeting with Vic Fangio. If Vic Fangio told you Landon Collins will be a terrible safety for the Bears’ offense in 2015, would you still call him a can’t miss player?

    • I always thought Kendricks would go late 1st. Some even wanted him at #7 (Barb wanted an ILB there, the first didn’t go till #31, and it was Anthony Stephone)
      Thought the same about Collins from the very start. Not a top 10 pick.
      Though I was a bit surprised that neither S Collins or Kendricks was selected in the late 1st.
      Knew Shelton would drop a bit. I was much higher on Fowler than Beasly.
      Beasly like Kendricks is explosive, but undersized.

      Yeah, I would definitely listen to Fangio. He knows a thing or two about D. Considering that both Fox and Fangio are D-oriented, they must’ve not thought much of the D options left at #7 (that or Pace went rogue, not likely).

      The first round is the gravy, the 2nd-3rd is the meat and potato.

      I would still like ILB McKinney in the 2nd, Tartt in the 3rd, Yeldon in the 4rth, but I wouldn’t mind an Olinemen somewhere there.

      • Doc Hamstring

        Kendricks is rated by a lot of guys as 2nd or 3rd round. McKinney is rated higher than Kendricks and was mocked as early-2nd. Kendricks can easily be there, unless there’s a run on defense.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Dawson the ILB was talked about as top ten talent at one point, no?

      • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

        Collins is the must pick if he’s there at 39, but ONLY if Vic & Fox like him. Can’t believe they don’t like him.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Which one? La’el was top5 in some pre-mocks.

          • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

            Hmmm…..honestly don’t know much about La’el Collins, but I can’t see the new regime not drafting D with their first two picks. Plus S has been a glaring need for years, as we all know. But yeah, would love to shore up the OL too….

          • Irish Sweetness

            A top five/ten talent, supposedly, that you get at 39 because there is a flag raised because something happened to somebody he used to know? Worth a think and a few phone calls.

        • Big Mike

          Who says they don’t like him? I’ve not seen that.

          • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

            that was hypothetical by NewBear I was referring to….

          • Big Mike

            Phew..

    • Irish Sweetness

      Nope. I’d have first pick on a nice bunch of players to choose from. We can roll with Rolle for a while.

  • NewBearInTown

    A few observations about the six teams picking before us.
    Either Tampa or Tennessee or both will go offense again. You invest in a quarterback in this league, you give him help. Strong or Beckham will likely go.
    I expect Landon Collins to be gone; he’s the consensus first round talent that fell out of that round.
    Gregory could continue to slide with all of his character issues.
    I target Kendriks, McKinney, Collins and Goldman. If two teams go offense, we likely get one of our ideal defensive picks. If there is a run at the top of the round, I seriously consider talking trade with the Raiders, which would jump us past the Skins and Jets and put us in the top 4.
    If those six are the six that go, I would consider a trade down to let someone else take Gregory, or else take him myself. Depends what the scouts are telling me to expect in the future.

    • BerwynBomber

      But aren’t we still short a pick because of the BMarsh trade? If that is the case, I can’t see Pace moving up and sacrificing another.

      • Irish Sweetness

        We’re not short. We gave them a seventh, they gave us a fifth. I thought we had two picks in the 5th?

  • NewBearInTown

    Oh yeah. None of the teams at the top of the sixth are looking for a QB (except possibly the Jets). A darkhorse pick for the Bears would be either Hundley or Grayson, either of whom could go before we pick again in the third.

    • Trac

      Nah, those guys are way down on the big board. Maybe we snag one in the 3rd or 4th.

  • It also means less safeties crowding the box for Forte, which should translate into a better run game and more one-on-ones for Alshon, Bennett and Royal.

    • And another side-effect is less blitzes (knowing White’s 4.3 speed will make them pay). therefore, less strip sacks on a fumble prone Cutty (not to mention saving his body).

  • BerwynBomber

    “It means the Bears weren’t willing to give up what the Titans wanted for Marcus Mariota. Based upon what Tennessee turned down from Philly, I can only imagine what it would have taken to pry that pick loose.”

    Huh? How do you know that? More than likely they didn’t have enough to make the Titans able to part with Mariota.

    My guess is the Titans walked away from the Bears. Not vice-versa.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Mariota, or Cutler and his contract? It’s easy.

  • Kevin White post draft. Gbay has RELAX. We now have “EASY”

    https://www.facebook.com/foxsports/videos/vb.112638779551/10153846008514552/?type=2&theater

    • Doc Hamstring

      Nice to hear a WR be thrilled when he got the hint that the Bears would pick him. We aren’t too far removed from Muhsin Muhammad and his very accurate assessment of Chicago being where receivers go to die.

      That’s not to say Muhammad was on life-support when he came here, but still…

  • BerwynBomber

    Torn about this pick. On one hand, White seems like the goods and my bet is he will be, at worst, solid.

    OTH I have seen the “Let’s Build Around Jay Cutler” movie already. Yes I get that Cutler won’t ever be consistently elite and that he needs to be surrounded by established Pro Bowlers and/or top pick skilled guys. But you know what Jay Cutler needs most? A top of the league D and STs that cover up his inevitable mistakes and limitations. Hate to say it, but the White pick feels a little like throwing good money after bad.

    Ah well. We’ll see what he does. But already feeling that if he isn’t a mercurial NFL talent this pick will feel a bit like a luxury, which is something we can’t afford. But then again, maybe he is second coming of Larry Fitzgerald.

    • I don’t see it as building around Cutler, honestly. The argument can be made that they have their eye on another long term QB and they want to make it easier for that new QB.

      It’s no different than what the Raiders did, just in reverse. Raiders got the QB first in the 2nd round, then next draft got him a weapon at #4.

      Not saying that will happen, but let’s say Cutler is gone in 2016 and we draft a spanking new QB. How nice would it be for that new QB to have Alshon and White already in place?

      • BerwynBomber

        Reverse order in my book (get the QB first, he will generally outlast the WRs). But I get the argument. And like I said, I think White will be, at worst, solid. Just didn’t feel like an urgent need for this team.

        • Johnnywad

          It would feel a lot more like an urgent need if AJ injures a leg in week one again. The Bears were pretty thin at receiver and we don’t really know if Alshon is a true #1 yet. So while I expected and hoped for D with the first pick, I’m okay with this. Pace obviously is sticking to some long term plan with this selection. I think they righted the ship just enough in FA to allow draft freedom.

        • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

          I think every team in the NFL has a need for an elite WR. White fits that label.

      • EnderWiggin

        Hell, I’m a Cutty supporter, and I’ll buy this logic.

    • Big Mike

      White will make any QB better. He makes Bennet, Alshon, Royal and Forte better because he can stretch the field. Speed puts a defense on their heels.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I don’t see it as building around Jay, as much as it is building. Period. A Ryan Fitz or a Ryan Tannehill could likely have gotten more out of our offenses any given year.He’s a drive-killer. How much of all of that ‘receivers not knowing their books’ wasn’t partially Cutler off-kilter?

      If we find a mauler for the line – and Ja’el Collins is a steal – then almost any QB could plug-n-play.

      AJ -‘3…. KW – 6’3….ER …..ZM -6’5…. MF -6’2

      Fuck that up, Jay.

  • For those wondering, Pace indeed went BPA.

    “Like his fire” – “We stuck to our board.” ” Best player available”. ” Get a play maker on either defensive or offense in the top 10.” – “We’re jacked”…

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/White-impressed-Bears-during-visit/c180791b-f387-4d29-9cce-2a6d9f1b8596

  • Irish Sweetness

    Character issues clearly not bothering the Bucs, I wonder if they go with La’el Collins straight out of the blocks.

    • Trac

      It will be interesting to see if WInston can learn the playbook. I guess the Evans/WInston combo was too hard to pass up.

      • Yeah, and like I discussed earlier, might be a model for us going forward (having weapons in place before drafting a franchise QB). Lions did it too with Megatron in 2007 then drafting Stafford in 2009. Lots of precedents for that…

    • Doc Hamstring

      I know I was saying Collins would be worth a late-round flyer, but gambling on two guys’ characters is just stupid beyond an organization that hired Schiano.

  • SC Dave
  • Big Mike

    My wish was answered. I hope everyone else sees that this 1st round pick is great news for the Bears. It’s not about taking Kevin White, who I believe is going to very good, it is about NO SURPRISES. That WTF moment.

    Here is a quote from the Tribune. By David Haugh who loves to hate everything.
    “In selecting White over any one of the available pass-rushers, Pace
    punctuated his first draft with pragmatism. The NFL’s youngest GM didn’t
    arrive at Halas Hall determined to prove how smart he was or impress
    his new bosses. He took the gimme, proving that sometimes grasping the
    obvious is an underrated skill for executives”

    • GPLDAN

      The mentality that some bloggers have here about “why did we let Marshall go and pick this guy up?” are the worst, most myopic fans.

      Marshall cracked his ribs, had a lung deflate, battled all kinds of ankle and leg issues and even when he was healthy his top speed was no longer elite. His game adapted to be a slot possession guy that went over the middle, but getting his ribs blown up may have dissuaded him from that ala Earl the Pearl who, once he had his sternum cracked, was really never the same guy. Jeffery was basically a better Marshall and Wilson wasn’t panning out as a deep threat.

      But beyond ALL that: Marshall is a locker room idiot. He takes a leadership role nobody wants him to have, he doesn’t know when to shut up, he’s more interested in his tv gig than being a team guy, and his whole bipolar thing is a gimmick to give him a hook so people think he’s “brave”. He’s just crafty and self-promoting. He doesn’t fit a Fox team, and White seems humble and workman like. You can’t put a price on that.

      • Doc Hamstring

        GPLDAN, my question is exactly that.

        First, you can’t look at the cracked ribs and punctured lung as a knock on Marshall. He either comes back from that, or he’s not fit to play, at all. Sure, the nagging ankle and hip are concerns, but are they SO concerning that you trade him and draft at his position instead of another?

        If Marshall was a problem in the lockerroom, it was a problem that only happened during Trestman’s 2014 Debacle. So you have to wonder if a good coach could manage it. Plus, who’s being rubbed the wrong way by Marshall? Cutler? The consensus is that Cutler is gone after this year–so what would be so bad about keeping Marshall for this season?

        In the end, all the reports out of Halas Hall were that Marshall’s SALARY, not his PERSONALITY, was the reason he was traded. If everything you’re saying is true, then the reports are lies.

        And that’s fine. I’d just like to hear the truth. “We traded Marshall because he was no longer a fit for the organization.” Fine. Then White is a better fit, and I’m satisfied.

        But if Marshall was truly traded simply because they thought he was overpriced, and they haven’t done anything with the salary they freed up trading him, I can’t help but think that they could’ve made a better choice.

        • Big Mike

          Even if it was his salary, someone is saying he’s not worth the bread, let’s use the money elsewhere. All the Bears did was draft a younger, faster, quieter version of a WR who (and here’s the catch) has a chance to be better than Marshall.

          Let me repeat. The Bears got faster and younger and freed up $. In a passing league, they added arguably the best WR from a very talented WR draft class. And there is concern, because, what? Because Cutler sucks? Or because of the spin on why the got rid of Marshall? Marshall is no longer a Bear. Off you go. Who cares.

          Of course they are going to do something with the money the freed up. But that’s not a 1 for 1.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Exactly right on Trestman. Look at the bunch of lunatics Ditka had. The coach has more balls than anyone in the room and he keeps them together. Trest had a vadge. Madge the vadge.

      • Big Mike

        I don’t think the bipolar thing is a gimmick. Personally I admire him for that. Now if he’s just making that stuff up, he’s some new kind of low. That’s an accusation I’m not even close to believing.

        Fox made a statement about the locker room. They got rid of an aging receiver, who was distracted, is emotionally fragile and not very fast.

        That the Bears drafted White had nothing to do with Brandon Marshall. He was the top player on the Board. Had Leonard Williams fallen, the Bears would have taken him. I have no doubt.

        White has great hands, he blocks well, he attacks the ball, he’s big, he’s fast. More importantly, the kid has gotten better every year for the last 6 years, going back to having to fight for a spot on the varsity his senior year in HS. No HS all america games, no prima donna treatment. 1 year wonder my ass. If he can tighten up his route running, he can be even better.

      • Irish Sweetness

        True dat (he’s not bipolar though, it’s borderline personality disorder).

        He is also a stud, whose regular bones is 100+ circus catches of badly thrown balls, excellent run blocking, about 12 TDs, and draws double-teams ….

        … that we ‘traded’ for a 5th rounder minus a 7th. Marshall for a sixth rounder. I don’t think he’s an idiot, I think he’s doing his best with the kit he was given. Let’s not dis the fact that he was by far the best receiver we ever had. We may have just drafted the guy that beats him.

  • Doc Hamstring

    I just wonder about the wisdom of trading Marshall–who, according to reports, was let go for salary reasons and not any personality conflict–and then picking up a younger, faster, less-droppy version of him with their first pick. Why save money on Marshall if you’re not going to spend it on another player you covet?

    Ultimately, if the Bears had been able to keep Marshall, they could’ve spent that pick on another position. That’s not to say White won’t be a long-term answer… but so would’ve any defender they picked, and then WR could’ve been addressed in FA or subsequent drafts.

    (I guess what I’m saying is that, despite reports, someone didn’t like Marshall and was willing to toss him aside, despite the hole his departure left in the offense.)

    • Big Mike

      I believe these were separate decisions. Getting rid of Marshall, who at the end of last season had broken ribs, bad feet, a ruptured spleen and allegedly a bad attitude, was a statement move that said Trestman is gone, he was a piece of shit coach, get over it. On a football level, having 2 of the same kind of receiver, ultimately made them less effective together. Teams squatted on the Bears and made the window for a completion on every route, that much smaller. With that done, White was in the top 6 talent wise, and he was the only one of the top 6 players on the board at 7.

      In my opinion these were separate moves. Had Leonard Williams fallen to the Bears, I have no doubt they would have taken him.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But as a football fan – nay – as a Bears fan, who wouldn’t want to see BM / AJ / KW as your top 3 ? You’re basically guaranteed two top receivers on the field for a whole season.
        If Brandon was on the team they would have drafted White anyway.

        • Big Mike

          I agree. I think they would have drafted him anyway, Irish. But that ship sailed. Seems like BM would have eventually started getting aggravated about not getting the ball enough. Doesn’t that seem like the next turn? Not a knock specifically on BM, but just about all WR who start to see their role diminish start having hissy fits.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Sure sure, but imagine. Cutty would have been hard pressed for excuses then …

    • They did spend it on another player – McDonald.
      He’s only on a 1 yr contract, but by most reports, he’s gonna be found not guilty and won’t be suspended so we’re going to give that money we were going to spend on Bmarsh to him, and perhaps another FA on D next off-season.
      Gotta think ahead.
      Plus, Bmarsh WAS a locker-room distraction by many accounts, and the bromance between him and Cutler was over and might have caused a schism on the team.

  • Frank Schoenburg

    Right now Randy Gregory, Jalen Collins, Preston Smith, Jordan Phillips, and Landon Collins are still available. How would you rank them? My ranking is J Collins, Gregory, Smith, Phillips, L Collins.

  • Aaron T. Starks

    I think it’s overstated how much TALENT on defense led to their woes the past 2 season. Coaching had as much to do with their woes as talent if not MOORE. Flashback to the Rodgers fumble in the last game 2 seasons ago when no one bothered to pick up the ball. That’s Coaching as that would’ve never happened under Lovie.

    Getting an actually GREAT D coordinator will do as much to improve the D as drafting better talent will do. My opinion.

    • Big Mike

      AND they’ve added a bunch of new FAs who will play next year. Probably 3-4 starters.

      • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

        so does this mean Irish & others are predicting correctly, OL with the next pick?

        • Big Mike

          I believe that it means the Bears will take the highest player on their board. Plugging holes left over by the last two failed regimes, hopefully is not the priority and building the Bears from the ground up is. The great news is there are about 10 guys who at some point were looked at as late 1st round talent, at some point in the evaluation process.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I didn’t think they’d go receiver. If it’s BPA when we pick then you go Ja’el if you’res serious. After him, there’s 5 or 6 you could draft.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Are we all buying into Jay Ratliff as the anchor for a whole season?

        1. Eddie Goldman
        2. Ja’el Collins.
        3. McKinney/Phillips/Fisher/Harold/Preston Smith – they should all be there when we pick.

  • Big Mike
  • PLZ let us skip on Gregory. Let some other team gamble on that dude.
    We already have a LB who plays on skates

  • A modest proposal.
    Bears trade Cutler to the Jets for their 2nd and DE/DT Wilkerson.

    It’s no secret they’re looking for a QB upgrade. They don’t want to extend Wilkerson who was rated the #3 top dog at his position and only 27 (they drafted Williams to boot).

    “The Jets may look to shop RE Muhammad Wilkerson, according to Rich Cimini of ESPN New York.
    New York drafted USC’s Leonard Williams with the sixth pick, which could make Wilkerson expendable. Pro Football Focus’ No. 3 3-4 defensive end last season, Wilkerson is a 6’4″, 315-pound behemoth who dominates against the run. There will be an enormous market for Wilkerson if the Jets make him available. ”

    With that extra 2nd take QB Bryce Petty (or wherever he may go. Not sure where, truthfully. Might even fall to top of 3rd).

    Have Bryce compete with Clausen, Fales. He’ll likely not start right away. Go to the season with Clausen starting, and Byce and Fales back up.

    If we suck, who cares? As long as we compete, it’ll only mean a higher draft pick next season, and a more ready Bryce and Fales.

    • Bookending Wilkerson with McDonald would be a HUGE upgrade to the Dline.

      If we pick-up a NT in the 2nd, perhaps Goldman or Phillips, Our Dline would go from a position of weakness to strength right away, and keep stay true to the proven philo of building through the trenches.

    • beninnorcal

      I think the hopes of many on this here blog that we may still trade Cutler are no longer realistic. Pretty sure he’s the Bears qb in ’15.

  • And on a NT front, this little tid-bit flew under the Draft day frenzy.

    Bears DT Jeremiah Ratliff was put on probation Thursday after pleading guilty to DWI in Tarrant County, Texas.
    His probation lasts one year. The ten-year NFL veteran was arrested in January 2013 after his pickup truck collided with an 18-wheeler. Ratliff’s .16 blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit. He’s already attended a DWI education class and performed 20 hours of community service. As of now, Ratliff has not been punished by the NFL. – Roto

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