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Time Has Come for Bears to End the Cutler Conversation

| March 1st, 2015

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A while back I wrote everything I thought about Jay Cutler into a single column, hoping at that time to never find need to speak on him again. I should have known better. Last week Jon Gruden opened his word hole (to call it a mouth would be an insult to mouths) and leaked out a tidbit that restarted The Great Cutler Debate in newspaper columns and on radio airwaves.

From the Sun-Times:

“I think John Fox is going to look at the body of work,” Gruden said. “They’re going to see that he didn’t get it done really with Lovie Smith or Marc Trestman, and now I’m the next head coach. I think you need to give some other people an opportunity to play. I think some of these quarterbacks get too many chances. There are good enough players out there that deserve a chance to be the quarterback of the Chicago Bears.”

“I know he has talent,” Gruden said. “But I don’t think he warrants that salary for sure. I think Chicago needs to look at getting a different leader under center.”

In all of the articles citing this quotation, it should come as no surprise to you that few if any of the journalists thought it wise to draw the personal connection between Gruden and former Bears head coach Marc Trestman. The two men not only had very obvious overlaps in their professional careers but are also known to be close friends. Did anyone really expect Jon Gruden to answer Cutler questions with, “Trestman was a nightmare. Cutler’s performance in 2014 was no worse than the rest of the organization.”

Also, who are these “good enough players” deserving the chance to be Bears quarterback? Why don’t the Browns and Bills and Titans and Jets have them? Gruden, unsurprisingly, is wrong.

The truth is I don’t care anymore.

Yes I firmly believe Jay Cutler can be successful when placed in the right offensive system. But I no longer want the Cutler conversation to dominate all chatter surrounding the Chicago Bears. Why? Because it is terribly boring. Cutler could play three terrific games but a costly interception in the fourth would restart the debate. Cutler could run for pivotal first down after pivotal first down and take massive hits (as he’s done throughout his Bears career) but one shrug after a sack fumble will restart the debate. The offensive locker room can recite sonnets honoring his presence in the huddle but one former player questioning his leadership will restart the debate.

Anything short of a Super Bowl victory will leave the “Bears can’t win a title with Cutler” door ajar. And I’m now convinced that even if Jay brought a Lombardi Trophy to Chicago many would find a way to deride him for the achievement.

The real question becomes why would John Fox & Ryan Pace want this player – so controversial – to become the focus of their new era when they don’t have to? Would releasing or dealing Cutler significantly prohibit the Bears from becoming title contenders in the next three seasons? I can’t with any conviction answer yes to that question. With the defense being several years away from championship level, why saddle your organization with a divisive talent who more than likely will not be in the team’s plans once the defense reaches that level?

This is selfish. This has little to do with actual football. Sports are entertainment and the Cutler conversation is no longer entertaining. Trade him. Cut him. Whatever. But when you’re driving down a dark road fighting heavy eyelids, you change the radio dial. My eyes are shut.

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  • Scott W.

    It’s a blah year for Free Agent QB’s, and I’m sure I’m not the 1st to notice.

    • BerwynBomber

      Often is. Teams don’t let top 10 QBs become UFAs. But I would argue there are a couple/few guys on the list who are every bit as good as Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton and Jim Miller were.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        Manning and Brees both were coming off MAJOR injuries when they hit the market. Also at the time Brees became available i would not have considered him a top 10 QB. Remember there was debate back then which QB do you take the risk on Culpepper or Brees. Miami chose poorly.

        • BerwynBomber

          Agreed. Special circumstances in each case — a weird set when you consider they are not only top ten guys but first ballot HOFers.

          And btw, I don’t know if you can say either the Colts or Chargers made a huge mistake. They ended up with Luck and Rivers, who aren’t shabby themselves, though I don’t think Rivers will ever be on the Brees/Manning level.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            yeah it must be nice to have the top pick in the draft when deciding to move on from your current QB.

          • BerwynBomber

            I thought Colts management tanked. Wasn’t a fan of it. The only time I wished the NFL had a draft lottery.

  • BerwynBomber

    I’m tired of the Jay Cutler debate so I am going to write a column that will generate more Jay Cutler debate.
    Btw, I don’t get the animus over what Gruden said: Cutler has not gotten the job done under the last two regimes and Fox will be re-assessing him. What is so objectionable about that? Seems pretty matter of fact. Did I miss something?

    • Big Mike

      The objection is simply the bias that exists in the relationship between Gruden and Trestman. Jeff obviously felt a need to point that out. Plus the old thread was getting long.

      • BerwynBomber

        But Trestman is gone. He has been sacked. He is out. He paid the price for HCing like crap. And I assume Gruden was not asked about Trestman but Cutler.

        The whole martyrdom/victimhood tone of Blogfather’s piece in regard to Cutty seems silly and childish. Jay has actually been the LAST person blamed for his mediocre play over the years. Coaches, offensive lines, receivers, etc., etc. have all taken the fall for him. Plus, the Fox/Pace reassessment will not be about blaming Cutler anyway. It will be more along the lines of a) does he fit into our long-term plans, or b) if not, is it worth paying him this cash for the remaining two years?

        • Big Mike

          Issue wasn’t with Cutler. It was with Gruden. Gruden calling Cutler out was news on a slow news day. Gruden called him out loudly. His comments carried some weight. The weight of his comments are less knowing his relationship with Trestman. That’s all. I don’t see a defense of Cutler in Jeff’s blog post. With respect to this post it’s not relevant n the least bit that Trestman is gone as the HC of the Chicago Bears.

          • Trac

            I’ve been tolerant of Cutty only because he was “our” disfunctional misfit up til now but quite frankly, he better be the 2nd coming of Jimmy Mac this year, or he better be gone.

          • Big Mike

            Jimmy Mac was not that good, with the exception of the 1984 season.

          • Trac

            He was a leader Mike. Sorry you can’t see it but you’re young, there’s still hope. He he.

          • Big Mike

            Dude I’m 53. I went to 10 home games in 84 and 85. McMahon was a good leader but average or below average QB. Look at the stats

          • CanadaBear

            I always thought he was good enough. If he could have stayed healthy/avoided Charles Martin I’m pretty sure they would have won a couple more titles. Not the greatest passer but he could read defenses. He was such an ass the refs let the opposition do anything to him and they wouldn’t throw a flag. Part of that was the NFL at that time but it doesn’t explain a lot of the damage done to him. Not to mention he showed no regard for his body, on the field and off.

          • BerwynBomber

            McMahon’s Curse: had the mindset of Butkus and the body of a punter/kicker.

          • Big Mike

            My view of McMahon may sound sacriligious, I kovrd him as the Bears QB. His swagger and all in approach. But his passing consisted of flairs to Walter, hitting Moorehead a couple times every few weeks and chucking one deep for Gault. He passed less than most QBs in an era where only a couple guys tossed for 3,000 yards. In 1985 the Bears played from behind in the 2nd half twice.

            McMahon rarely led a comeback. In fact he did this 1 time from 83-86. In 87 he has 4

            The fact is there were probably 25 QBs in the league in 1985 that would have won the SB in 1985

          • Irish Sweetness

            He wasn’t the OC !! He could have been the yardage king if Ditka wasn’t so sold on using Walter. His stats are all on Ditka!

            When he was all but out for the Dolphins game, what happened?

          • Bender McLugh

            in Denver only

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure about the 25 QB’s remark. They had mediocre backups that could never get the job done. Remember SF and Wash both had great teams back then. It wasn’t like the Bears with Mac were the one and only. Also, when you have Walter and then Neal, coupled with an ultra conservative HC, you get Mac’s stats. You also forgot about McKinnon. I’m not saying Mac was great, I’m saying he was good enough to get you to the dance with that team when he was healthy. That’s all.

          • Big Mike

            He was good enough. That’s exactly right and he played LIGHTS OUT in the
            85 playoffs. Somewhere else I commented that had he not been injured
            most of his career, he might have been an John Elway type of guy. The
            Bears would have gone deep at least 2-3 more times. No way the Redskins
            beat them twice at Soldiers with McMahon. That 86 team had better
            defensive stats than the 85 team. They were 6-0 when McMahon started.
            Hell, they were 7-0 under Tomczak, who had a passer rating of… ready..
            50.2 that year. Steve Fuller lost both regular season games that year.
            His rating was 60. Our QB with the highest passer rating that year was
            Flutie. He appeared 4 games, started 1 and had an 80.0 passer rating.
            Although the one game he started was the playoff game at home against
            Washington after the 1986 season. His rating that day was 33. Bears had
            4 turnovers that day. Bears defense gave up 187 pts that year. Our
            about what the Bears gave up in 3.5 weeks this season.

            Had Fuller or Tomczak stayed healthy the Bears would have won the SB.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think they were 21-0 when Jim Started. I don’yt hink it’s over-staing things to say we would have looked like a dynasty team if he doesn’t get injured/assaulted int he GB game. He said that when he played for GB his shoulder had never felt better.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t know. He was hurt a lot before that. But it still was one of the dirtiest plays in the history of the NFL. It is also the reason that I hate the f’n Packers, like cancer.

          • SC Dave

            Ditka played Flutie. End of story. I will NEVER consider Ditka more than barely mediocre after that bullshit. Except as a drafter of offensive linemen. He was good at that. Or maybe more likely, just lucky.

          • Big Mike

            WTF was that all about. Flutie wasn’t ready for the NFL. He did in a couple years later. But man. What a choke job.

          • Big Mike

            He could have been John Elway had he stayed healthy. But if I could’ve run a 4.8 forty I would have been in the NFL.

          • Trac

            Hahahaha

          • BerwynBomber

            If you mean in comparison to Cutty’s stats, it is like comparing a hitter from the dead ball era vs. one from the steroid era. The only fair way to do it would be to see where McMahon finished in QR year-to-year vs. his contemporaries vs. where
            Cutty finished QR-wise vs. his contemporaries.

            Statistically, Jay Cutler is a better QB than Roger Staubach but only a fool would think Cutty is anywhere near as good a QB.

            Comparing QB stats from different decades is dicey. Comparing them from different generations is nearly meaningless.

          • Big Mike

            Great points. Look it up again. McMahon was statistically average in his era.

          • BerwynBomber

            So is Cutler. To be honest, the “who is the best Bears QB ever?” debate doesn’t interest me enough to do the research. (I would still pick Luckman.) But the whole “Cutler has the best stats so that proves he is best” argument is, at best, blind reasoning.

          • Big Mike

            Yeah that’s a tough one. QB is the toughest position to compare across era. You have to look at stats or else guys like Marino, Kelly, Fouts etc are out… But unless you look at playoffs and championships, guys like Bradshaw don’t make the cut.

            With all of that said I have to say Cutler is the best QB in Bears history. Luckman has to be 2.

          • Trac

            Just messin with ya pal. Lighten up my brotha. Lol

          • Big Mike

            No worries. Its a fun discussion.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s not fun. You’re plainly wrong. Whether McMahon was better than Luckman is debatable. Saying that Cutler is the best we’ve ever had is not debatable, it’s laughable and makes a mockery of your judgement.

          • Big Mike

            If you look at it statistically, Cutler is the best QB in Bears history. The point I was making is that judging QBs is very difficult. If you look at all the ways QBs are evaluate, there seems to be 3 ways that this gets done. Stats, Championships or “eye test”. Cutler has the best cumulative career stats. McMahon has 1 championship, and could have been the easy winner of this hypothetical debate if he was not injured for most of his career and Luckman has stats and championships.

            In fact I went and looked at some stats and have to change my statement. Based on something said earlier, looking at Passer Rating only makes sense if you look at how their rating compared to their peers. By this measure Luckman is the clear winner.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So now we have the gear in reverse. He goes from average-below average to being the 2nd greatest QB in a franchise’s history ?

            Sorry, but I get jazzed when people low off Jimmy Mac because of stats, stats made in a time when you had to be tough to be a QB..

          • Big Mike

            No it’s not the only stat that counts. That’s just a crazy statement. It sucks. You want to judge QBs on personality. That’s fine. McMahon’s approach to the game was balls out. It may have also cost him his career. Putting aside the GB cheap shot, he played less than 10 games in 9 of 14 seasons.

            Lots of guys could have played QB for the Bears and had a championship or 2. If the Bears had the 15th ranked QB from that era the Bears would have won 2 maybe 3 SBs. Did you know in 1986 the 3 Bears QBs combined for a passer rating of 57. McMahon 61.4, Fuller 60.1 and Tomczak 50.2). That year Jay Schroeder was ranked 15 and he had a 76.3 Passer Rating.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I remember that year, it was a strange one. I remember pulling for Tomczak because he was likeable, so was Flutie.

          • Big Mike

            Actually, it is less “blind reasoning” than any of the other ways to measure a QB. All of which are flawed. Stats, Championships and Eye Test are the only way to do it. I did some research, I have to go along with you on Luckman. If you look at where his Passer Rating is relative to his peers during his career, he is far and away the best Bears QB of all time.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, Luckman was the goods. One of the DBBers posted a listed of his accomplishments a few weeks back and it was damn impressive. Btw, there used to be a YT vid of Luckman throwing five or six TDs in a title game. Pretty cool.

            Judging QBs via stats, among other standards, is fine within their own eras. And certain QB stats do indeed stand up across all eras — Unitas’s original TD streak (that Brees broke a few years ago), Marino’s 48 TD season in the ’80s, heck maybe even Rodgers’ ongoing career TD/INT ratio (time will tell) — but generally they require the context of their era to be truly gauged.

          • Yup, that’s why Unita’s TD streak, and Marino’s TD season will impress me more than the current record breakers.
            I would add NeedleDick’s iron man streak on that level since he played in an era where QBs were still treated as football players.
            If someone gets that record from him now (maybe Eli, Flacco?), it won’t be as impressive in my book.
            Same goes for why I consider Sweetness the better HB than Brown.
            Brown played in an era where he was as big or bigger than some of the LBs or even Linemen.
            Sweetness on the other hand, was barely avg sized.

          • CanadaBear

            I saw a lot of Jim Brown’s games. Yes he was huge and fast. Yes, he had a great line. He was a beast. Plain and simple, he was the best player on the field whenever he played.

          • Max

            Eye Test? Big Mike, were you around in the 40’s to see Luckman??

          • Big Mike

            Nope. That’s one of the problems with judging QBs across eras. The old guys without the stats or championships fall out of the discussion.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Cutty fails the eyeball test for me. He kills drives time and again. Statswise, he plays in a passing league and generally from behind. We can’t run the ball so we don’t. If Cutty was on the ’84/85/6/87 Bears he would have been handing it off too – he would probably not have won the same amount of games because he can’t read defenses. But this is all kind of moot.

          • Big Mike

            Fails in miserably. McMahon’s career can be summed up by the 1984 game against the Raiders. Dubbed by several as the most violent game ever played. Mac’s stats were dogshit. 3 of 8 70 yards 1 interception. He had 10 yards rushing on 3 carries. What the stats don’t show you is one of his passes was a 50 yard bomb to Gault that put the bears in the redzone and Payton got it in from there. The other thing was a 7 yard run to get convert a 3rd down and keep a drive going. A drive on which they scored. Even that doesn’t do it justice. He chased by Howie Long, hit by at least 4 Raiders who were trying to kill him.

            here’s a youtube of the entire game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdrXp8cH9m0

          • Trac

            An average QB in Chicago can be great if he’s got the right attitude on Sundays. That’s why the blue bloods loved Orton.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Where are the stats for being a genus at reading defenses. Jon Elway was statistically below average, so what?

          • Big Mike

            Fact in his ten year as a starter, Jim McMahon didn’t qualify for the Passer Rating rankings because he didn’t attempt enough passes to qualify. The 4 years he did qualify he was ranked 8,15,7 with the Bears, 13 with San Diego and 16th with Philadelphia. Not bad. Better than I thought.

            I have only 2 points in this debate.

            1) Ranking QBs is very difficult, ranking them across eras is even more difficult
            2) McMahon’s career is highly over rated by Chicago Bears Fans.

            McMahon was a “winner”, he left everything on the field, he had an outsized personality. He also never did anything in his career without Walter Payton and a top 3 defense and he played in more than 10 games only 5 times in his 15 year career.

            What he did with the Bears in 1984, 1985 and 1986 was a very good three year run. His passer rating in the 85 playoffs was spectacular (106.6). Jim McMahon had he not been injured would have probably (in my opinion) made this discussion unnecessary. But that’s not how it works.

          • Big Mike

            Elway is what McMahon might have been, were he healthy.

          • Irish Sweetness

            In regular season games Staubach had 75% winning percentage, so he was far and away a superior QB to Cutler, Cutler’s not even playing the same sport as Staubach. There can’t be any serious, intelligent debate as to Cutler’s place in the pantheon of greats. He just isn’t in the discussion.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If you saw him play, and I see below that you did, then that’s a ridiculous statement. Stats have nothing to do with it. Go check out John Elway’s stats the first ten years of his career. They’re pathetic. Would you call him average, below average? You coach football ? Really? And you think Mac was average, below average? 77 NCAA records and was the fifth winningest NFL QB of all time % wise. Steve Young says he the learned the game of football backing up McMahon and Ditka says he was the smartest player he ever coached and they don’t win a superbowl without him. I guess coaching kids has given you some deeper insight where Young and Ditka just don’t get it. Average players don’t come back in games like the holiday bowl, the minnesota game, or the Tampa and KC games in 87. They just don’t.

            SMH.

          • Big Mike

            Well saying he’s GOAT makes me puke a bit. We are talking about him being the best Bears QB. That’s like being the tallest midget.

          • Big Mike

            2nd Coming of Jimmy Mac? Doesn’t that mean he’ll get hurt and miss the playoffs? I’m not that excited about Cutler anymore, but the question of who was better, intrigues me. Do you go by cumulative stats, championships, or the Irish test of how tough a guy he was. Anyhow, I think Cutler might have to be the 2nd coming of Montana to be in Chicago beyond next year. Even if he is, Bears need to bring in a QB in 2016 to compete/replace Cutler.

        • Scott W.

          BB…I think it’s easy now to dismiss our O-line problems of the past. They were a LOT worse than many are remembering, and so was much of the coaching. I don’t think Tom Brady or Manning or anyone else could have done any better under some of the circumstances we put Cutler in.
          …and for the record, I am not a big Cutler fan. I just think we DC’d (David Carr) him.

          • Possibly. But Cutler looked decent in Trestman’s first year (and was protected relatively well); then in the 2nd he became Alex Smith. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like it.

            If he were to become DC’d, it should’ve been in that season Martz tried to get him murdered, or the season after.

            I don’t think he has David Carr syndrome.

            I just think he, like Briggs, quit on the team midway through the season.

            I bet he comes out flinging it again this season (which often means him holding on to the ball too long on his hip while he gets stripped).

          • SC Dave

            I disagree. QBs that know how to get rid of the football make their lines look WAY better.

          • Scott W.

            No QB alive or dead could have made that oline look good Dave.

          • CanadaBear

            No doubt but when the OC keeps calling for 7-step drops and the DLmen beat Cutler to the spot …

    • SC Dave

      Just the piece of Cutler’s anatomy caught in Jeff’s throat.

  • Trac

    ABC! A rubber biscuit to any of you brain trusts that gets it. There may be 1 or 2 of you out there. Hee hee.

  • GPLDAN

    I’m now convinced that even if Jay brought a Lombardi Trophy to Chicago many would find a way to deride him for the achievement.

    I doubt that. If he pulled a Kurt Warner in the playoffs, esp. Cardinals Warner who put that team on his back – that would shut everyone up. If they won the big game, he would be transformed.

    Other than that, I liked the Gruden Word Hole name. Rest of the post was stupid, for reasons aforementioned in other posts. Cutler was the highest paid player in the NFL last season. What did Jeff expect the MSM was going to talk about when Mariota was potentially in reach at #7?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Exactly. It’s all about the Lombardis. That’s the investment we made in him. If he steers us to one, then all is forgiven, but expecting him to do it is insanity. Won’t happen. Hope he does it but can’t see it happening. He’s not a winner.

    • SC Dave

      I’m not too worried about the debate, because I don’t see Cutler and a Lombardi as compatible.

  • CanadaBear

    This is like the joke about the guys in prison yelling out numbers and everyone laughing hysterically. Not a great joke but more interesting than this.

  • BearDown100393

    This is cherry picking at its worst. Gruden was on Mike&Mike, ESPN Radio. He was specifically asked “what would go into the final decision regarding Cutler” on the air. It was not unsolicited. It wasn’t yapping to simply yap. He was asked a question. And he answered. He wasn’t asked about Trestman. He was asked about Cutler and how HE THOUGHT John Fox would evaluate him. This is disingenuous to re-frame the context of the response. It is no better than the newspapers who were also called out for doing likewise but for different reasons. Same garbage. Different piles.

    • NewBearInTown

      Agreed.
      The problem with Cutler is he’s just too good. If he was Todd Collins or Josh McCown or Brian Hoyer, there would be nobody who supported giving him a big contract, nobody who supported making him the confirmed starter, and nobody who favored keeping him. But he’s not those guys. Jay Cutler is one of maybe 20 guys in the world that can consistently start for an NFL team. That gets him the job, the salary, all of it. But he’s near the bottom of the list of those 20 guys, so we still can’t help feeling we could do better.
      Jay Cutler sells hope. And when you have hope, failure really stings.

      • Scott W.

        Good closing argument, sir.

      • Trac

        Wrong, Emery and Angelo got him the job and they both got fired. You have painted a picture with bad lighting my friend. Cutler is a counterfeit.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He has been measured and found wanting. To continue with him at the helm is the very definition of insanity. Winners find a way to win, Cutty finds a way to lose. For all we hear about his ‘talent’, give me a QB who looks after the ball. We cannot move forward with a guy who shows no respect for the ball. The physician’s motto is “First, do no harm.”

      • SC Dave

        Bravo… the whole Cutler thing in that last paragraph/line.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Time Has Come for Bears to End the Cutler Conversation”

    Well, La-Dee-Dah. Just HOW do you propose they DO that at this point in time?

    “Trade him”:
    They need a trade partner. Do You have anything but strictly media and or fan conjecture/guesses/wishes/fantasies as to who that might be and for what?

    “Cut him”:
    Oh, SURE. The Bears can just IGNORE cap implications.

    “Whatever”:
    Brilliant. Feel free to expound.

    Regarding Gruden, you have complete disdain for him, Blogfather. All of a sudden something has to end because HE opened his yap?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Gruden was only saying what 99% of us are thinking, and he’s pretty good at analyzing QBs.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    “Gruden said he believes Winston has learned from past off-field incidents and is ready to be the face of a franchise.

    “He’s a dynamic kid,” Gruden said. “You don’t go to Florida State and meet many people that don’t love being around Winston. He is a polarizing player for some. Some people can’t agree on what he is off the field. I’ve got a lot of confidence that he’s learned some valuable lessons and he knows he’s going to be in the spotlight for the rest of his career. It’s up to him to get it done.”

    I’m sure the rapist has learned from his rape incident.

    Hey Jon what do you think about Jameis Winston ?

    “He’s a dynamic kid,” You don’t go to Florida State and meet many people that don’t love being around Winston except maybe some of his female victims. He is a polarizing player for some. Some people can’t agree on the fact he’s a rapist. I’ve got a lot of confidence that he’s learned some valuable lessons and he knows he’s going to be in the spotlight for the rest of his career. He has to be more careful when raping.
    It’s up to him to get it done.”

  • willbest

    The debate doesn’t end when Cutler leaves town. 60% of the people want to keep Cutler. You think they are going to be satisfied with a decade on the QB carousel? If Fox/Pace don’t stick the landing with a competent QB replacement it won’t end until Cutler retires. And it will get particularly loud if he lands someplace viable like say the Texans and makes the post season.

    • BearDown100393

      Rahm would kill for 60%.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Forced to a runoff by a guy he outspent 10-1 . THAT is FUNNY!

        • Cormonster

          He pissed off the unions, especially the teachers. That can be a death knell in a union town like Chicago. It didn’t help either that Moody’s just down-graded their credit rating to two levels above junk status.

          • willbest

            Daley left because he was done liquidating everything of value. Unions might hate Rahm, but he is the guy holding the stick when the repo man showed up. Not a whole let he could have done.

          • SC Dave

            two levels too high

      • SC Dave

        And probably has.

    • BerwynBomber

      True but if Cutler craps the bed elsewhere the 60% number might plummet. Won’t help either if some journeyman bridge guy comes in and leads the Bears to the post-season thereby equaling Jay’s record of doing the same in his nine seasons as a starter in the league.

      In short, though the majority support Cutty now it can flip either way if he leaves.

    • Irish Sweetness

      99% of the planet used to think the earth was flat. Do we care what 60% think? They’re wrong.

      • Trac

        22 It
        is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants
        thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a
        curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Isaiah 40:22

        Mmmm….nyawt! Columbus actually understood this verse and it was his understanding of the earth being round based on what the bible revealed to him that gave him the confidence to set sail around the world. Just sayin!

      • willbest

        What does it matter if you think they are wrong, what matters is that they are there to carry on the discussion.

        • Irish Sweetness

          It is kind of funny that Jefe posts a piece to end the discussion, and it just sparks it up again.

          Trac, I did not know that. I wonder if that was in the Hebrew/Aramaic Bibles ? ‘Circle of the Earth’ is pretty specific.

    • SC Dave

      Cutler sucks. If he takes the Texans to the playoffs, good riddance- he’d still be out of Chicago.

      I’ve tried so hard to root for the guy, but he just does not deserve it.

  • Trac

    Did anyone catch Marshawn Lynch and ignorant self act while in Turkey. What a tool. Hahaha

    • willbest

      Doesn’t appear like he said anything that 60 million Americans didn’t already think

    • BearDown100393

      A tool? When in Turkey…

    • haha, just read it. to paraphrase.

      “I would have ran it in. We ran another play. We didn’t win the superbowl, and now I’m in Turkey. That’s life.”

      Gotta say, when he speaks, it’s funny.

      • SC Dave

        His ass would have been stuffed like the majority of his career. Someone posted it here.

  • AlbertInTucson

    R.I.P, Orestes “Minnie” Minoso. Obit says 90 but I’ll bet dollars to donuts he lied a few years off of that.

    • CanadaBear

      I loved to watch him play as a kid. Always hustling, crowding the plate and smiling.

      • AlbertInTucson

        One of my early favs along with Little Looie (Aparicio), Little Nell (Fox) and “Jungle Jim” (Rivera).

      • SC Dave

        Too young to remember Minnie.

        • CanadaBear

          I’d trade the memories for a few less miles on the odometer!

  • dwhnt47

    I really don’t care anymore either. Start Clausen and draft a decent developmental prospect. Maybe we already have one. Who knows what Fales can do?

  • Irish Sweetness

    His word hole ! MWAH !!

    Agree with Jefe on this, there needs to be a cut-off date for Cutty talk, a Cutty Amnesty. All there is left to do is to see if and when they’re trading him. We’ve said everything there is to be said, ad nauseum. Happy trails Jay, but we need to close the wound and heal up.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Alternative title: “Jeff finally cries uncle.”

    • John Doe

      Welcome back cheesy troll.

      Bears 2014 season may have been a dumpster fire but it was more than made up with Packers epic choke in NFCCG.

      You can fire ST coordinator, you can fire Brandon Bostick but the mental scars from one of the worst choke job in the history of sports won’t go away easy. A certain SB ring was choked away.

      And the new season means Erin will no longer have Mel Tucker defense to put up gaudy stats anymore. He will be facing Vic Fangio defense..a defense Erin himself has admitted he has hardest time against..There is a reason Packers have lost 4 straight to Harbaugh-Fangio 49ers.

      • BerwynBomber

        Certain SB win? Hmmm … I don’t know. The Pack O never looked the same after Rodgers’ torn calf muscle and the Pats took them down to the final minute at Lambeau when he was healthy. Plus, Belichick vs. McCarthy?

        Epic choke, no doubt, but I don’t know if any slam dunk SB win awaited them had they prevailed. But I do think their NFCC loss provides a scar that will take them at least a solid year to get over. GB is due for a mediocre season in ’15.

        • I sorta disagree. Last season really reminded me of that SB Pack team a few years back.

          They were beating SEA pretty soundly before the epic choke, and I imagine with a few more extra weeks, adrenaline, and serious meds, Vadgers would’ve been much healthier in the SB.

          I seriously believe if the Pack had advanced to the SB, they would’ve beat the Pats, which makes their thai-hooker choke job all that more satisfying.

  • logical47

    The problem is Cutler was a nightmare before anyone in Chicago knew who Marc Trestman was and there’s your problem.

  • Trac

    Cutty ranked 21st in total QVR rating last year. Hmmm…. I dig your input Big Mike but this analysis hardly puts him in line to be the Bears best qb ever.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

  • Bears-4-Ever

    “Last week Jon Gruden opened his word hole (to call it a mouth would be an insult to mouths)”

    Truer words have yet to be spoken. I can’t stand Gruden’s verbal nonsense.

    In regards to Jay I have to remain quiet…all that can be said has been said. Now I’m going to sit back and see what happens. New GM, New Coach, New Attitude. If Jay can do the job so be it, if not we’re going to find out and fast and he’ll be gone or be #2.

    I’m tired of the “Jay-Drama”.

    • Trac

      I likery your thoughts and I am waiting for the season to unfold like a kid on Christmas eve.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Really Trac? With Cutty in there ? Don’t we all know exactly how that’s all going to play out already?

        The only ray of hope I see is that he does a John Elway turnaround in his tenth year.

        • Trac

          I’m optimistic for a variety of reasons. Even though I always respected Lovie the man, I never believed he was part of a top notch Bears coaching staff at any time during his tenure in Chicago. This coaching staff is the reason for my positive outlook, Jay is now only a footnote in my mind.

    • that word hole has profusely praised every single QB it has spoken of…except for Cutty.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Nah, when Cutler was playing well last year, he was up his ass the entire telecast.

  • Jack Lacan

    Memo: re: Jay Cutler – We are done here.
    Requisat in Pace – Minnie Minoso

  • John Doe

    John Fox “Jake” mystery explained..

    Bears are after Jake Locker either to replace Cutler if they some how get rid of him or to provide serious competition for starting job. The dots connect.. they hire Dowell Loggains.

    And “Jake” was on John Fox’s mind right from his introductory press conference. Jake Cutler and Jay Locker.

    http://sportsmockery.com/2015/03/chicago-bears-tagged-as-new-home-for-former-1st-round-qb/

    • GPLDAN

      Good find.

    • BearDown100393

      Happens to the best of head coaches to cry out the wrong name post qbcoitus?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      or it could have just have been a 60 yr old man who got a little confused. maybe because for his entire career he referred to opposing players by their number only like most coaches do. we see this all the time in interviews when coaches refer to opposing players they often say shit like “55 is a beast on defense” or “We have to get pressure on #12” Believe it or not coaches don’t know all the players in the league no matter what position they play. Or it could have been he was a little excited/nervous about the situation being the first press conference with a new team.

      that is why this “Jake” crap is so overblown and people are reading way too much into it.

      On a side note i don’t doubt they are looking at all available QBs out there.

    • This is news? Sports Mockery always does this. They take somebody’s speculation on what SHOULD happen and report it as something that is GOING TO happen (or at least put a headline in making it seem like that so stupid people believe there’s more than just speculation there).

      The original report is Matt Eurich, a columnist for B/R, saying the Bears would be wise to go after Jake Locker. Eurich says nothing about Chicago actually expressing interest in Locker. He just thinks it would be a wise signing in FA.

    • Jake and the Frat Man?

      I would like Locker to come in. Of all the QBs most likely available, I believe he has the most upside.

      He can run. And if you think about it, running QBs and a Fangio D have beat the Pack on a consistent basis.

      If I were the Bears, I would get Locker, re-sign Clausen, and stash Fales on the practice squad.

      Around mid-season when Cutler is in a neck and neck race with a rookie for the turn-over title, time to bring up the bull-pin.

      Hopefully, the Cards Qb goes down before the trade dead-line by then, and we can make a trade.

    • Peanut FTW

      Jake fuckin Locker? WTF? I would much rather have almost anybody else. Didn’t Tennessee acquire Charlie Whitehurst or some shit to replace Locker, So now we want the guy no one’s heard of who got replaced by some other dude no one’s ever heard of?

      Cutler isn’t great but he is a start-able QB who we already have guaranteed money sunk into. Fuck a bunch of Jake Locker.

      • BerwynBomber

        “Cutler isn’t great but he is a start-able QB who we already have guaranteed money sunk into.”

        Agreed. That is why there is a huge difference between trading him vs. cutting him. Same with BMarsh too, although BMarsh is a significantly better WR than Cutty is a QB.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          but BMarsh yelled in the locker room and wants to do a TV show, and wanted to fight someone on twitter, so it is evident he is an awful person that we should get rid of.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Is he a FA ? Why wouldn’t we go fishing for Ryan Fitzpatrick if that was the case? HE has a helluva beard. I mean that’s a man’s beard.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Jake Locker has the same (if not worse) durability issues as Cutler. Pass

      • BerwynBomber

        I’m not high on Locker either for the same reason. And no, he is not as durable as Cutler. At least thus far.

    • BerwynBomber

      I would read Locker interest as a) they plan to keep Cutty, and b) Clausen is gone.

      Can’t see them bringing in Locker as a bridge guy. He has MAJOR durability issues. Viable bridge guys, IMO, are Sanchize, Hoyer, Mallet and potentially Matt Moore. Of course Glennon and even Foles might become available draft day.

    • Irish Sweetness

      More likely he was thinking Jake Plummer, no ?

  • BerwynBomber
    • GPLDAN

      Tag for him was $26.5M. They decided he wasn’t worth it.

      • willbest

        Because at $26.5 million there would be very little incentive to sign a long term deal. Even if he tears an ACL somebody would give him 25+ mil in guarantees the following year.

        • It’s hard to imagine that neither the Jags nor Raiders will unload a boatload of $ on him.
          They’re far under the cap, and need to hit their minimum cap quoata in the next two years.

          Now, if he signs with the Bears, it will most likely be for one main reason: spite.

          That would be pretty awesome, and NFCN teams have a long history of playing musical chairs with FAs (Allen, Pepp, Young…)

          • Personally, if Suh doesn’t end up on the Bears, I would like to see him a Raider.

            1. in the AFC and far from us
            2. Raider Nation embraces dirty players.
            3. Suh, Mackey and #3 draft pick (possibly Leonard Williams) along with Carr and Latavius Murray would give them a solid foundation to actually become relevant again…in L.A.

          • willbest

            But we play the Raiders next year. As far away from the Bears as possible is the AFCE, where the next time we play Suh he will be 32 (or in the Super Bowl). The Jets and maybe the Bills could afford him. Or he could go take a Merc deal with NE before heading to the raiders.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There’s always the Redskins.

  • John Doe

    Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN · 44m44 minutes ago
    NFL salary cap will be made official today (must because of franchise deadline). Sources say it’s between $143M-$144M.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 1m1 minute ago
    The official 2015 NFL Salary Cap will be $143.28M. #Bears are due to have around $30.7M in cap space.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      woohooo!!! Aaron Leming twitter feed. wow and this time he is actually reporting something.

      • SC Dave

        Aaron Leming is some twisted coded anagram of John Doe. The key is tricky, but I’m convinced the ciphers O, R, L, T, and L are involved, though not necessarily in that order.

  • I’ve grown tired of discussing Jay Cutler. That’s why I’m hoping Bears move on without him. For me…and me. Column: – Jeff

    “No one is more obsessed with God than an atheist” – ???

  • John Doe

    Next year the cap could be as high as $160 million according to Mike Florio.

    Couple that with many expensive contracts for Bears will be off the books (Jared Allen will be gone, Marshall likely gone, worst of Cutler contract over, Forte gone etc.) means Bears will have a lot of cap space in 2016.

    And that is why Pace can afford to spend a lot THIS year and back load contracts.

    Roger Goodell – C – Free Agent

    The 2015 salary cap has been set at $143.28 million.

    In the midst of unprecendented popularity, the NFL continues to rake in massive revenue. That can be seen in the cap, which has risen from $123M in 2013 to $133M last year and now all the way up at $143M. According to OverTheCap.com, the Jaguars, Raiders, Browns, Jets and Colts have the most space right now. The Saints, Patriots, Ravens, 49ers and Chiefs have the least.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      why would you want to back load contracts? then you could end up in the position the Saints are this year or the Cowboys the last couple years. makes no sense.

      • this. Bigger cap means bigger contracts coming. Keep your $$ to sign guys when it’s available. Don’t mortgage the future, especially when you’re not a strong SB contender.

        • John Doe

          Forget being a SB contender, Bears need several starters just to put a competitive team on the field. And they will have to get a majority of these new starters in free agency.

          Plus Bears have only six draft picks. And not all of them will be starters..much less right away in week 1.

          Bottomline: To be competitive Bears will have spend heavily in free agency.

          Alshon Jeffery will be the only home grown player who will need a contract next year. He will get $10 milion a year contract. That will be easily off set next when Jared Allen’s is no longer on the team and Bears save that $12.5 milllion cap space.

          Not sure Shea deserves a contract. So Bears have no big players of their own to sign next year and they will again have a lot cap space available next year for free agents.

          • they can get what they need without mortgaging the future.

          • John Doe

            That is exactly what I am saying. They don’t have to mortgage the future at all and still sign the players they need to put a competitive team on the field.

            They Jets last season played with over $25 million in cap space. And they were badly missing WRs and CBs. That was stupid. Not utilizing cap space does not necessarily mean a team is being smart.

          • backloading a bunch of FA contracts is mortgaging the future. Even if it will fit in the future, it’s less money you have to spend when other teams will have it. Only time that makes sense is if you’re in a position like DEN where every year is or bust because your stud QB is about to retire.

          • John Doe

            If those FAs are solid starters for 3-4 years until your own draft picks from the last 2-3 years are ready to take over, then you are not mortgaging the future by backloading contracts. Instead, you are making strategic investments.

            Plus, you do not address how Bears will get starter level players this year. You think 6 draft picks will address all starter needs? Get real.

          • Johnnywad

            That’s been my point. The Bears are going to chew up nearly all of their cap space just fielding enough professionalsprofessionals to play ball next year. They have no room for luxury players because they need so many starters.

          • willbest

            Except that serviceable players like Mundy or Sharpton or Williams are around for a 1-2 million each. And its not like they are starting from nothing. They still have 7-8 competent defensive starters.

          • Big Mike

            If the extra cap room in later years allows the Bears to get a guy they want now, for a good price, they can work the cap to push a bit more of the cap charge to later years. This is probably more beneficial to really good squads who can restructure deals, sign their own.

          • I guess it depends on how you define “mortgaging.” Most FA deals will have higher hits on the back end to fluff the total values up when there’s not much guaranteed money left.
            Then there’s the Saints with Byrd last year, where his year 1 cap hit was $3M and the last 5 years of the deal total $51M, with over half that guaranteed. That’s mortgaging the future.

          • BerwynBomber

            The Saints’ Bryd deal was catastrophic. They let Malcom Jenkins walk — who is as good if not better safety than Byrd — and the Iggles signed Jenkins to 3yr/15M deal vs. the Saints 6yr/64M deal for Byrd. What a fuckup.

          • This is why as much as some DBBers, esp MB, wanted Byrd – I said pass.
            No safety is worth that.

          • Big Mike

            Yep. It’s nice to have the added flexibility, but it’s not a huge advantage to the Bears, only because it’s a league wide increase. The advantage to the Bears is Cliff Stein. As bad as everyone complained about Cutler’s deal being, it is the most club friendly $100+ million deal possible. It didn’t mortgage the future, and gets more affordable each year. Stein’s the bomb.

            Line him up with good talent evaluators and the Bears might turn this thing around and become a team that competes in the playoffs year after year.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Agreed, Stein/Bowman 2016!

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Yes! I had a long post about this get deleted but basically the cap decreased in 2011 from $123M (in 2009, ’10 was uncapped) to $120.375M and only increased back to $123M in 2013 (so flat over that period of time). Who’s to say that won’t be the case in the next CBA and all the 6 year deals for mega backloaded $$ will come back to bite teams in the rear. Pay as you go is the way to go in FA, especially because you hope you are hitting in the draft on your own guys and will need money to extend them when the time comes.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            exactly. also by back loading contracts limits the use of a franchise tag, like the situation the Lions are in with Suh.

          • GPLDAN

            Forget being a SB contender, Bears need several starters just to put a competitive team on the field. And they will have to get a majority of these new starters in free agency.

            This.

          • willbest

            Why do the Bears need to spend heavily in FA? If this truly is a rebuild year like people around here claim, pay Jeffery $18 million this year, and then $6 mil in years 2 through 5.

            Between the better coaching, a couple high round draft picks, and a few value FAs the D will be plenty competent. It has a fair amount of solid players (Mundy, Ratliff, Ego, Allen for sub packages, Houston, Jones, Fuller, Jennings).

      • John Doe

        If there are players you do not want to pass up then they have the freedom to creatively use next year’s cap space increase and some big contracts off the books.

        • Perhaps Suh is one of these. How often does the best DT become available on FA?

          I don’t know about “back-loading” though – I’d pay him a lot of his salary in the first 3 years and lots of it in bonuses.

          Then I would sign mid-range options with whatever $ we have left over, a DT/DE like Odrick or S like Moore.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i am not for these big FA signings. they never seem to play up to their contracts, especially on the D-line. maybe i am just snake bitten by seeing Peppers take every 3rd play off the last several years of his contract.

          • That’s why I would give Suh most of his guarantees in the firs 3 years with little cap ramifications afterwards, sorta like the Cutty contract.

            Suh will definitely produce the next 3 years

            (Pepp came in like gangbuster for about that, then decided to pack it in. But Pepp always had a history of taking plays off – suh to his credit has never been considered a loafer).

          • Irish Sweetness

            My worry with him when he gets paid is he becomes a fat lazy pain in the ass Albert Haynesworth.

        • willbest

          The only (and I mean only) legitimate reason to use future years cap this year is if you plan on going deep in the playoffs.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      yeah… don’t tell those that talk about Pace as the poor lad that has to scrap for bread pennies.

      • Johnnywad

        At minimum you need two DE’s, a quality DT, two LB’s, at LEAST one safety if not two, and one if not two quarterbacks. This doesn’t include the myriad other ST players that will obviously need to be added. If you’re that confident in that $35M +/- you’ve got to spend, let’s see you’re plan. Who are you signing with that giant pool of cash and how much are they getting?

        • They have 6 draft picks that will factor into that.
          They are set at DT right now if they want with Ratliff and Ferguson.
          They could re-sign Clausen for vet. min. (which wouldn’t impact the salary cap at all due to the rule of 51) and be set there too.
          The places that need real money are DE, ILB, and S. Maybe CB. Then you’re looking at cheaper options at WR, OL, TE.

          • Johnnywad

            I can see that. You’re still not getting a Suh, McCourty or any other big names with the money on hand and the needs all over the field.

          • willbest

            Mundy, Ratliff, Williams, Sharpton, Slausen, Ola, Mariani, Morgan, etc. Plenty of competent vetarns available every year at affordable rates. Those guys plus a difference maker like Suh is going to do you a lot better than going out and getting a bunch of overpriced FAs like Bushrod or Houston.

          • Johnnywad

            I just don’t see the value in paying a guy like Suh, when the Bears are so far removed from winning any championships. They would surely be more competitive, but why hamstring the team with another big contract on a player that will be entering the back nine of his career when the team is likely to be relevant again? It just seems to me to be more prudent to wait. I don’t think the Bears can spend their way out of this hole as currently constructed.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This. A solid roster-building plan based on younger guys over a couple of years. Absolutely no over-paying a few studs. No all-in bets, just solid card-playing.

          • McCourty would cost about $10-11M a year. Say an $8M cap hit year 1. That still leaves about $12M to work with for other spots. Multiple Willie Young-type deals still in play.

          • The mid-range route.

            DE/DT Odrick.
            ILB Harris
            S Moore

            CB Culliver

            WR Draft speed/KR

            OL prefer draft OC

            TE (didn’t we just resign what’s his name?)

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think Zach Miller could be semi-studly if he stays healthy. We definitely need that Center and another OT.

  • John Doe

    RT competition for Mills if they can get him for cheap??

    Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 39m39 minutes ago

    Cautionary FA tale: Last year, #Bucs signed OT Anthony Collins to a 5-yr, $30M deal. Now, they’re shopping him. Will cut him if no takers

    • Big Mike

      Cheap bodies with potential are always welcome. Only downside is if the cheap body means Bears stop looking for the “answer”.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      he’s a good player. Lovie is a bum like few are.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Jags have $68M in cap room! Wonder what they’ll spend it on.

    http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      And a 2 year QB with his ‘cheap’ contract. they can spend whatever they want.

      Hopefully not pay 4M for Adrian Peterson’s reserve and all that.

      Especially seeing that the HC-GM duo are on the clock.

    • BerwynBomber

      I could them being a feisty six or seven win team next year. Bortles showed just enough that there is a glimmer of hope.

    • BearDown100393

      The Jags are not even worth $68 million as a franchise.

      • SC Dave

        lol… but I bet they are worth considerably more than that.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Crap, probably.

  • John Doe

    So Lovie Smith became head coach of Tampa Bay and proceeded to spent a bunch of money in free agency.

    QB Josh McCown (two years, $10 million) – cut

    DE Michael Johnson (five years, $43.75 million) – Huge bust. likely to be cut

    OT Anthony Collins (five years, $30 million) – cut

    C/G Evan Dietrich-Smith (four years, $14.25 million) – was very bad in 2014

    Only CB Alterraun Verner (four years, $25.75 million) and DT Clinton McDonald (four years, $12 million) may have done enought in 2014 to stick around.

    Well done, Lovie! Money well-spent. Great idea to give this guy full control and final say over 53 man personnel.

    • There was always speculation about how much of Chicago’s bad drafting was Angelo vs. Lovie. Angelo’s first few drafts were pretty good, got progressively worse as Lovie took more control. We might find out in the next few years how bad of a GM Lovie is. Might change how we feel about Angelo.

      • GPLDAN

        It won’t change how we feel about Glitchy.

      • willbest

        If nothing else Angelo was either spineless or more interested in phoning it in while cashing a paycheck.

        • Johnnywad

          Well he did refuse to be “Put into that hand basket.”. That was rather courageous.

      • Irish Sweetness

        “Angelo’s first few drafts were pretty good”

        Nope, no they weren’t Woodsy. Don’t get me going. nothing this man ever did was good – apart from hijacking this organization and doing an impersonation of an NFL GM. That was pretty good for his family … if he ever spawned, that is.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      one thing to look at is the contracts on these guys. Only two players they can’t cut with out cap implications is Johnson and Collins, the others can be cut without any dead money. no back loaded contracts that will hurt them going forward.

    • BearDown100393

      “MRSA is our infectious disease” – Lovie Smith

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      BUM

      He spent all that dough and finished with a worst record than Greg Schiano, who had a fiasco of a season like you rarely see even in the crazy NFL

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    ” But when you’re driving down a dark road fighting heavy eyelids, you change the radio dial. My eyes are shut.”

    Or you turn up the radio. Maybe we need MORE Cutler chatter?

    • BearDown100393

      When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the
      back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you
      crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare
      that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol’ Jack
      Burton always says at a time like that: “Have ya paid your dues, Jack?”
      “Yessir, the check is in the mail.”[This is how Jake should answer media questions. His reputation would instantly turnover a new leaf….]

  • Interesting. Pats tag a Kicker which means S McCourty will be available. I wonder if he’ll be asking for Byrd type $.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/02/report-patriots-use-franchise-tag-on-stephen-gostkowski/

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      aren’t kickers the most tagged players ever?

      • maybe. It’s a pretty cheap tag. About $4M for Gostkowski.

    • Top $$/year is Earl Thomas at $10M. Top guaranteed is Jairus Byrd at $26.3M.
      If McCourty hits FA, he’d beat both of those. Lots of money to spend due to cap rise, lot of need due to weak draft class.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      If Belicheck is willing to let him walk then I say, No Thanks!

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      It’s a strange development.

      It might mean they’ll re-sign both McCourty and Revis. Not franchising McCourty might go in the sense of lowering his cap this year and maybe next so they can sign both.

      The franchise for the S is 9+M so they clearly would prefer a 9 M/year contract while pushing the cap hit in the future years.

  • so if you’re the Bears, would you rather give Suh 6 years, $104M, $60M guaranteed or McCourty 5 years, $55M, $30M guaranteed (my rough estimates for both, both would be tops at their positions by about 10%)?

    • Johnnywad

      If forced to pick one, I’d go McCourty. We have some young pups up front that may be able to play. We have nothing at Safety. Personally, I wouldn’t sign anybody that expensive until Pace gets a couple of drafts behind him.

      • willbest

        If the Bears forgo Suh/McCourty type players they have more money than they can spend. The entire offense is locked up until 2017 sans Forte, Garza, and Jeffery. There isn’t an star on defense that needs to be paid before 2017. So what the hell are they going to spend their money on?

        • Johnnywad

          Well, you’ll have $5M +/- into the draft class. Now you’re under $30M. You’re likely going to bring in a $3M QB to compete with Cutler if they don’t trade him. So you’re at $26M to $27M. You need two DE’s. How much are they? $3, 4, 5M? How about Paea? You paying him? What’s that look like? I don’t even know. Maybe $5M? Now you’ve got $12-13M. You need at least a Safety if not two. So you’re well under $10M. And the list goes on. There will be another 8-10 players easily that fit that vet min to $1M a year as role players and ST guys. My numbers may be off here, but IMO, you’re going to need most of the $35M to take the field next year. Get yourself a Suh and McCourty and you’re fucked.

          • willbest

            I am going to start with the obvious that if you bring in Suh you no loner need to spend $5 million on 1 of those DEs. And then point out that you seem to be ignoring the fact that the Bears have Ego, Sutton, and Ratliff, plus the draft (where you can find good 3-4 DEs in the mid rounds), and then no doubt they will use Allen in some sort of sub packages. So the 2nd DE (if they even bother to go out and get a vet FA) will be a very affordable 2 mil guy.

            Same goes with McCourty. If you pay McCourty, you can pretty much forget about the position past maybe some late round flier or UFA to bring some competition to the spot where you have Mundy/Vereen and spend your draft on OLB, DE, ILB, CB, etc.

            Your ST/role players are all going to be 450k against the cap guys. And while they might have 25 million this year, they are going to have 50+ million next year (almost 60 if they cut Allen).

            Lastly, it is highly unlikely the Bears take Forte into 2015 with his 8.1 mil salary and 9.2 mil cap hit. He is either getting cut, extended or traded.

          • Johnnywad

            OK. Backing away from the ledge now. I like your version better.

            Are you keeping Paea if you’re Pace?

          • willbest

            I was just saying the math works for either. Though if you get McCourty you can extend Jeffery this year where if you got Suh you couldn’t (unless you cut forte).

            As for Paea, I am much better at solving the math problem of the cap than I would be at evaluating how a 4-3 DT would play at 3-4 DE. I like what I saw out of him last year, but between the position change and the injury history I personally don’t think I would risk it (at least not at the money he probably feels he is worth). And the fact that they haven’t announced a deal means that Pace has already moved on, or money is the issue.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If you bring in Suh, then you can have Hillary Clinton playing Safety … but liek Johnny says, you’re fucked everywhere else. Value bets all round is the order of the day. And DT is not the place you want to go all-in ….

    • willbest

      McCourty. You would be asking Suh to play a style different than the one he has been so dominant at, and while I fully expect him to rise to that level, I wouldn’t want to bet $60 mil on it.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      i thought for sure that was a link to Aaron Leming’s twitter page. LOL.

  • GPLDAN
    • willbest

      Yeah… if the drivers aren’t willing to commit to bullet wounds or major blunt trauma (ie multiple hits with a baseball bat) I am going to suspect them.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Maybe DeNiro’s crew fro HEAT? Get Pacino on the case!

      • BearDown100393

        Val Kilmer couldn’t fit in that truck.

    • NewBearInTown

      I think its way too much of a coincidence that three armed men with sophisticated cutting tools just happened to be in the neighborhood when the truck had engine trouble.
      But that doesn’t mean the drivers were in on it. It could just as easily mean that the perpetrators (who sound pretty prepared) did something to the truck ahead of time and then followed behind waiting for the sabotage to take effect.
      I’m not a car guy, but I assume something like causing a coolant leak or a slow oil leak would do the trick. No effect at first, but would cause car trouble after half an hour on the highway.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 1h1 hour ago

    The only Tier 1 Free Agent I would love to see the #Bears add? FS Devin McCourty. Would expect him to land a deal similar to Jarius Byrd.

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 1h1 hour ago

    Another name I would love to see is DE/OLB Jerry Hughes. Coming off a 12 sack year & well rounded at his position. #Bears

    • BerwynBomber

      That Byrd deal is scary. Hope Pace wasn’t tied to it. Saints already had a safety as good as Bryd in M. Jenkins and let him walk. So what happens: Saints give the farm away for Byrd and Philly signs Jenkins for a quarter of the cost.

      Btw, I like how Philly has been conducting business: Jenkins, Sproles, even Sanchize were smart signings. That is a team that seems to be getting good value for their dollar … at least of late.

      • John Doe

        Hope Pace avoids Suh, McCourty, Culliver. We don’t need to get guys who will top dollar contract. Too rich for Bears needs.

        • BerwynBomber

          Is Culliver considered “elite” in this year’s FA CB class?

          Suh will be awesome but I don’t think he is a guy you pay considering where the Bears are defensively. Too many holes to fill. He would eat up a huge chunk of the cap.

          • John Doe

            Given the shortage of CBs, Culliver is going to get paid top dollars. I hope Bears get Perrish Cox instead.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m not worried about CB this year on this team. Too many other holes. Get someone cheap to play nickel. You may not even need that if one of the kids develops.

          • John Doe

            CBs are important in 3-4. I don’t trust Tim Jennings after last year. I think he is only going downhill from here.

            Plus, they need at least one guy who has played in Fangio/ed dontell’s scheme. hence Perrish Cox.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Never got the love for Jennings. I remember when he flat out sucked, then folks suddenly got a boner for him because a few balls drop into his basket ? Peanut’s done. Fuller is young. We need a starting-caliber corner on the roster. We need a lot of guys on the roster, so no to Suh. You need to draft a Suh, not give them their retirement fund and fuck the rest of your team.

          • John Doe

            Exactly. too many needs to pay just one guy like Suh.

            And same in the draft. Too many needs to try to draft that one stud guy at #7. Instead trade down even if the trading partner is not giving full “value” and pick 2 solid guys instead of one stud guy.

          • Irish Sweetness

            With you on the #7 pick. You can pick a guy who should be good … or pick two guys who can be good lower in the round and have two picks in the second (including your original second).

          • BerwynBomber

            Jennings is a competent CB. He is probably done as a starter in a year or two but even last year most of his bad beats came on poor communication between him and the safeties. Call me crazy but I am going to attribute it mostly to our safeties.

            Fangio and Fox will be fine with Tiny Tim heading into the ’15 season.

          • CanadaBear

            Jennings is a decent CB. He is a good tackler. If you think every INT he made in the last 3 years was a tipped pass that fell into his lap, you weren’t watching the games.

      • they traded for Sproles. But that’s where the value is in FA. Get overlooked guys coming off rookie deals ready to ascend. Guys like Martellus Bennett (not technically off his rookie deal when Chicago signed him) and Willie Young have given the Bears excellent FA value. Slauson too.

        One guy this year I heard a rumor Bears are interested in is Davon House. Fits that bill.

        • BerwynBomber

          Good point about Unicorn, Young and Slauson. Solid-to-excellent signings.

          House from GB? I had heard they are letting Tramon Williams go so I am surprised they are letting House walk too.

          Repeating myself here, but I think the Cheese are in for a down year in ’15. That NFCC collapse will take a year or two to shake. I’m even predicting Rodgers will have mortal TD/INT ratio numbers.

          • If they let House walk. Who knows with that. But supposedly Bears are doing their HW on him.

          • NewBearInTown

            That’s every year for Green Bay. They’re just too good man. The only way Green Bay misses the playoffs is if the rest of the NFC steps up.

          • BerwynBomber

            Nah, they’ve never had an epic collapse like this past year. Even their 15-1 season loss to the G-men could be explained away by a defense that was shaky all year and an anemic ground attack and the Giants catching fire. The big difference with the Cheese from us (and DET and MINN) is, of course, Rodgers. But the dude is due for a down season (at some point) no matter how elite/HOFer he is. Plus, they will be vulnerable at CB next year and doubtful their O-line will have near the health it had this past year.

            I envision the NFC North as a 9-7 dogfight next season. Cheese and DET will be taking steps back. MINN and the Bears will be stepping up.

          • the only way GB misses the playoffs is if Rodgers gets hurt. If he’s healthy, they’re going to the playoffs every year (just like Brady, Peyton, and Luck)

    • I want nothing to do with Hughes at the contract he’ll command.

      Guys gonna go from being the 4th best guy on his own DL to being expected to be the best. No thank you at huge money. Too risky.

    • SC Dave

      We’re not going to follow Leming.

  • John Doe

    dan durkin @djdurkin · 5h5 hours ago
    53% of the #Bears current cap is tied up in six players: Cutler, Allen, Marshall, Forte, Bushrod and Houston.

    not good at all. says rebuild. all these guys are gone this year or next.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      you can say that about most teams. the top 5-7 players on all teams usually make up 50% of the cap, and a lot of those players are 30+ years old to meaning good chance they won’t be on their teams much longer either.

      • NewBearInTown

        Thank you. Made my response before reading this comment.

        • John Doe

          Yes, but none of the Bears six have any future with the team in terms of building a winning team around them. 4 or 5 are misfits who the new coach and GM would let go the first day if it were not for the big contracts.

          The problem in Bears case is that the Big Six contracts are albtross around the neck of the franchise rather than paying for 6 guys who will get the team a championship.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            I disagree Bushrod and Houston(if he comes back from the ACL ok) will be ok going forward. I assume Bushrod will eventually move away from LT. Marshall probably still has 3 good years in him. Besides i don’t really know what the big deal is. there is always turnover on NFL teams, even if these players are gone after next year we will sign others in FA, and a few of our younger players mainly Long and Jeffery will get big contracts. Its not like we can wave a wand and fix the fucked up drafts over the last decade and magically have great young players, its not going to happen.

    • Houston will still be here for a while. Jeffery and Long will be in that group in 2 years.

      • John Doe

        Houston will depend on how he recovers from ACL. Not easy to recover from ACL for DT. Just look at Henry Melton and Gerald Atkins last year. I don’t expect much from Houston and he will hang around for this year at the most.

        Jeffery will be signed in the cap space created by Jared Allen contract expiring next year. When Long is due for his contract in 2 years, that will be the right time to move on from Bushrod.

        • Houston’s game was never built on speed like Melton and Atkins. He’ll be fine, maybe not 100% to start this year, but eventually. He’s still young and he’s the kind of versatile player Fangio loves.

          • I always viewed Houston as a run-stopper first (to stop the bleeding) and occasional pressure guy (no sacks though. he’s not a closer).

      • willbest

        Unless Long ends up as an elite tackle it is unlikely for him to break the top 6 paid players on any year except a signing bonus year.

    • NewBearInTown

      How many players does the average NFL team have to get through to eat up half the cap? I don’t think 6 is so unusual when you’ve got a high end QB deal on the books.
      Allen is the only one on that list I view as somewhat wasted this year. Cutler could have a great season with Gase and suddenly completely change the conversation. No likely, but it could happen.
      Allen might play well, he might play bad. But I don’t see a scenario where we’re happy about sinking $12M into a veteran DE when we’re transitioning the team to a 3-4. If I’m Fangio talking to Allen, I tell him straight up “we both know Ryan wouldn’t have signed you to this deal given the choice, but we’re not sweating it and neither should you. We both want you to have a good year this year – enjoy the extra cash and let’s try to get you to do what Peppers did last year for Green Bay.”

      • John Doe

        Except Bushrod, everyone else is waste of money for being either a washed up player, bad player or bad character.

        None of the six have any future with the team in terms of building a winning team around them. 4 or 5 are misfits who the new coach and GM would let go the first day if it were not for the big contracts.

        The problem in Bears case is that the Big Six contracts are albtross around the neck of the franchise rather than paying for 6 guys who will get the team a championship.

        • BerwynBomber

          Forte is a waste of money? Washed up? I can see moving on given his age and the cap hit but he was still excellent most of last year. And there still might be hope with Houston.

          Agree (to a point) about Cutty, BMarsh, Allen and Bushrod but I suspect most if not all of them will be back.

          • John Doe

            If you look at the future from here on out..all but Bushrod and/or Houston are done.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, Bushrod seems salvageable. But as with most of our biggest contacts we overpaid for him.

          • Argument can be made that most top FAs are inherently overpaid.

            Sometimes teams get lucky for maybe a year (like us with Young) but lots of those “prove it deals” end up getting raised anyways.

            However, the top LTs at that time were Long and Bushrod.

            Long is most likely getting released this season.
            While Bushrod prevented Cutler from going brain dead.

            So I think “over paid” is a relative term here.

          • willbest

            Most homegrown talent is overpaid. People just feel better about it because they got their affordable rookie contract and the good will associated with them. Briggs got 17.5 million his last 3 years in Chicago which is an utterly ridiculous sum in retrospect.

          • BerwynBomber

            Briggs at 6M a year wasn’t a ridiculous number by any means. Hell, in ’13 he played like an All-Pro until getting hurt in the WASH game. So first half of the contract he was an absolute beast and was arguably a fucking steal. The last half — meh — but the numbers vs. productivity probably even out. In fact, I would still argue he was good bang for the buck.

        • SC Dave

          All the imbeciles on Forte being done… it is so tedious

          • John Doe

            Yes, Forte is sure going to be the same stud next year, and in 2017, and in 2018.

            What a genius you are!

      • BerwynBomber

        Fat chance with Allen. He has never been the all-around DE that Peppers is. Allen is a sack artist. That is pretty much his lone skill. Pep was also excellent in pursuit, even holding an edge, and forced TOs and could fill an underneath passing zone.

        I actually thought his year in ’13 wasn’t as bad as others on the blog did. (His game against BALT that year was All-Pro-like monstrous.) But his cap hit was deadly.

        • John Doe

          But he did not want to play for Tucker. He was butthurt after Lovie firing and basically played a game here or there when he wanted to and took rest of the year off. That is why he had to be let go. It was an untenable situation. Emery forced to take a cap hit because he knew Peppers will simply collect paychecks and play hot and cold…well mostly cold.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Marshall is worth the money though. I’ve seen enough of Cutty, Allen Busghrod and Houston. Matty is worth a 2nd or 3rd rounds and we can save on his salary, time waits for no man and he’s not Eric Dickerson. Our ground game does not necessarily suffer if Forte goes. Our passing game disappears if Brandon goes ….

      Brandon Marshall is a stud. $10M is good for a stud.

      • BerwynBomber

        But BM is also a Cutty crutch. If you watched the second Lions game closely, the passing game didn’t fall off any with Clausen and no BM. In fact, it would have been one of the better passing games of the year had Alshon not turned into hands of stone.

        Don’t know if Pace will get to that detail and reach the same conclusion but BM might lose value if he’s not being Cutty’s besty.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Agreed. Which is another reason to get rid of Jay. If there’s some rift between both he and Brandon – and it certainly looked as if there was – then he’s going to phase out the Beast. We need Brandon more than Cutty IMO. Getting rid of Brandon is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            but but but Brandon is such a basket case and has bad character and clubs baby seals and takes candy from little kids.

        • Marshall, Forte, Jeffery, and Bennett had nearly identical targets in the 14 games they all played together this year.

          After Alshon’s breakout game against DET in week 4 of 2013, their pass targets from Cutler were nearly identical the rest of the season. I want to say it was 83 Marshall to 81 Jeffery, but I’d have to go look up the exact numbers again.

          The idea that Cutler lasers in on Marshall hasn’t been true since 2012, when he had nobody else to throw to.

          • BerwynBomber

            In your rush to defend Cutty you may have missed my point: the revealing thing would be to see if BMarsh’s targets fell off when he played with other QBs not named Cutty. Hence, my point wasn’t that Cutty doesn’t distribute the ball to others; but more that BMarsh sees a few more passes and is more effective when playing with Cutty.

            This would make sense since they’ve played together so long. But IF Pace is thinking of dumping of Cutty it also might make BM more expendable. Again, IF. But I could see the reasoning.

    • This is what happens when you don’t have homegrown talent on those big deals. Guys you get in FA are inherently overpaid.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      And the Bears still have $ 30 M of cap space.

      That’s because the re-build started 2 years ago, so you have a ton of rookie contracts on the books.

      Allen and Bushrod are gone next year and Forte will be extended and lower his cap hit. All this with only Jeffery to extend.

      The Bears are in a good cap situation. Emery knew what he was doing.

      • willbest

        I am not convinced any of those guys will be gone in 2016 if they rebound. Competent tackles just don’t grow on trees. Allen is most likely because there might not be a place for him, but assuming 2014 was just the result of illness plus being down 3 scores a lot 8 million might be a reasonable sum.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Bushrod is an average OT. They’ll cut him at 32 years old and 8 M in cap hit. Or do that restructure/pay cut thing.

  • BearDown100393

    “Famous Jameis” has filed for his trademark. Best of luck Lovie Smith.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I still have a lot of trouble envisioning the church going Lovie Smith, who has nothing going for him if not that ‘trait’, drafting the rapist QB.

      I month ago I thought nobody is such a moron to draft Winston is the first 2 rounds, especially not Lovie. There’s extended proof I was wrong, but I still can’t fully accept it. Which is a strange thing actually seeing that I know the majority of NFL executives and decision makers are clueless and incompetent.

      You know they’re stupid, but you falsely think ‘nobody is THAT stupid’.

  • Peanut FTW

    That shirt is pretty awful. It isn’t even apparent that it’s a bear. Wolverine football, who are the tazmanian devils? Add in the logistics of a bear small enough to fit in a football and who would want that shirt, even for free?

    • BearDown100393

      The birth of the Hallas Hall Gollum aka Ted Phillips.

  • GPLDAN

    Former coaches, players and two anonymous current players trash Jake and say he’s a punk and a loser.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4697456/former-coaches-doubt-bears-can-win-with-jay-cutler

    Jakay will never get an endorsement deal, spokesdeal or see a network broadcast team after he is done. He may be the most hated guy in the NFL.

    • BearDown100393

      And none would go on the record? Perhaps punks and losers call out one of their own?

    • CanadaBear

      Michael Wright is just looking for page hits. He’s been on a mission to trash Cutler as much as possible. Not that I disagree with a lot of it but all the anonymous sources are pretty chicken shit.

      • I don’t necessarily think that anonymous sources are chicken shit, sometimes they have to remain anonymous because they have to be “team” players, even though they vehemently disagree with or despise some on the team.
        And if that person happens to be the starting QB, well, that’s like asking to get fired (why Bmarsh might be sent packing).

        Plus, I remember some sniping the same about the “anonymous” source that critiqued Cutler during the season, “It could be anyone. The ‘person in the building’ could be the janitor for all we know!”, well, as turned out to be the case, it was KROMER, only the guy in charge of the O who works with Jake everyday (and I’m certain Tresty did some leaking too).

        Add this to the chorus of other cutler critics, (including Lach who basically called him a punk) and we got ourselves a pretty decent idea of who Jake is, as a football player at least, not necessarily as a man (thought the latter tends to influence the former).

        • CanadaBear

          I don’t disagree about what they said but how they said it. Anonymous bitching and back biting is chicken shit. Either own up to what you say or don’t say it. It’s like all the internet weenies that talk shit all day. 90% of them would shit themselves if they came face to face with someone they had been bad mouthing.

          • BerwynBomber

            Journalism, and mainly the reporting end of it, would suck if anonymous sources weren’t used. I doubt most of these guys are afraid of getting their ass kicked by Cutty (Olin Kreutz would have been a different story). It is more about being ostracized. They would become team pariahs a’la Kromer.

          • CanadaBear

            Then why say anything? I was talking about internet weenies talking crap/shitting themselves not the players. I thought that was obvious.

          • BerwynBomber

            Do you how many reports (business, sports, politics, arts, etc.) have “sources say” in their text? Those are anonymous sources; the chicken-shits as you call them.

            What internet weenies are you talking? I thought those being sourced (about Cutty) were current and former Bears players and coaches.

          • Scott W.

            Yes, I actually do have an idea about how many anonymous sources exist in journo-world. They are supposed to be used to get off the record background and inside info on stories.
            They were never, ever meant to be quoted regularly. Ever.
            The rule was they could be quoted but not named if it put their lives in peril, or they had jobs in national security or of national import.
            Even THEN, they weren’t to be quoted unless all else failed.
            Now, they are the masturbatory go-to’s for shallow/shadow writers like Michael C. Wright, and his ilk et al.

          • BerwynBomber

            So what is different here? Sorry, I’m not intentionally trying to be dense but I don’t know why you and CB are so up in arms about this if you know how anonymous sources work in journalism.
            Frankly, I have no dog in this particular Cutty report via Michael Wright — none of the news surprises me. But Blogfather, who often supports Cutty, is tweeting that it is an excellent piece of journalism.
            The most interesting aspect to me is what JD and Barb are discussing above — what does it say about Cutty’s immediate Chicago future and is Bears management somehow behind the leaks?

          • Scott W.

            Well, BB, the point is that quoting anonymous sources in a story for publication is supposed to be a no-no except under extraordinary and rare circumstances.
            I don’t give a shit, personally, if Jeff nominates him for a pulitzer. The story dies on its feet every time he goes anonymous.
            Canada was absolutely correct in comparing the great unnamed to internet trolls, and Wright is dropping trou for anyone on the roster that motions him into their shadow.
            It goes to credibility and merit. The reporting has to be honest, and it has to be verifiable to be taken seriously.
            Sports “journalists” quoting anonymous sources for publication about a players likability or play-ability?
            Total bullshit. That’s someone that wants to be more important than they are.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, but what quotes? Two words that came up a few times among the ten sources? The only direct quotes in the piece that I saw — and I admittedly skimmed it — were from Pace.

            Again, anonymous sources are the lifeblood of most behind-the-scenes reporting.

          • Scott W.

            No. Anonymous sources are NOT the lifeblood of any reporting.
            Facts, supported by documentation or direct quotes are.
            Further, it doesn’t matter that he didn’t quote them verbatim, or quote them at all.
            That he cited them at all makes him guilty of being at least lazy as hell, if not salacious.
            That ain’t journalism, BB, it’s tabloid bullshit.

          • BerwynBomber

            Huh? How do you think reporters get scoops? What do you think the term “sources say” means? Hint: it is code for anonymous sources. It is insane to think behind-the-scenes journalism would be any good without anonymous sources.

          • Scott W.

            You really are missing the point completely. But hey, free country BB. Believe as you wish, no problem.
            If you get the time, you might reread my posts, see if you come away with a different take.

          • “Sports “journalists” quoting anonymous sources for publication about a players likability or play-ability?”

            haha, what other jobs is a journalists supposed to do?

            And wasn’t it Biggs, who is perhaps the most respected CHI sports journalist, who quoted Kromer anonymously?

            What’s wrong with getting the REAL story behind all the bald-faced lies that coaches and players spout publicly?

            I thought getting the real story was the job of any journalists?

          • Scott W.

            I’m not suggesting for an instant that Wright is the only guilty journo in the courtroom. Can you spell ESPN? Biggs, Haugh, King, whomever, all dangle their participles in the wrong soup.
            The point is, they should know better. Any Jr. High kid can quote the anonymous teacher saying they think little Sally has perky breasts, but where is the proof? It has no merit if it can’t be proven that Mr. Smith had short eyes.
            Furthermore, as I alluded to earlier, a run of the mill story about which jock likes that jock is hardly Watergate; the need for such sourcing -whether it is in quotes or not – is non-existent. A case can be made for it being borderline libelous, even if only judged by professional standards vs. A court

          • CanadaBear

            Internet weenies are just like anonymous sources. Saying shit with no repercussions. I was making a comparison. Hope that’s plain enough for you. If not, I give up.

            I couldn’t care less how many reports have anonymous sources. I pay no attention to that crap. If you aren’t man enough to own your comments, I have no respect for your opinion.

            That’s why I admire BMarsh. He says what he thinks and doesn’t hide behind anonymity. When he said he understood the buyers remorse comment, he knew it would piss off Cutler but didn’t care.

          • BerwynBomber

            But for all you know BMarsh has been an anonymous source a few times throughout his career. How would you know?

            And do you automatically stop reading any news story that has the phrase “sources say” and dismiss it because anonymous sources have been used? Do you really go to that lengths in every piece of journalism you read?

            I get your schoolyard tough guy stance but it honestly seems silly in the world of journalism. It would lead to totalitarian-state like news.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m done.

          • Scott W.

            Preach it brutha…

          • CanadaBear

            I guess it’s because we are much older and not brought up in the internet age. Why anyone would put any credence in a story about anonymous sources is beyond me. Oh well, nothing against anyone that does it just doesn’t register with me. Esp back stabbing BS. When I was young if you were back stabbing people there was a pretty good chance you were going to get called out on it at some point. Then it was either fight or flight.

          • That’s the thing, Canada. Is it back-stabbing when you’re telling the truth?

            Leave aside that the “anonymous source” behind the buyer’s remorse story was KROMER (not exactly the janitor), not all anonymous sources are sleezy.

            After all, wasn’t “deep throat” anonymous? (not referring to the porn)
            Jose Conseco might have been a douche, but it didn’t make what he reported any less true.

            But I get it. Snitches are bitches, and all that…

          • Scott W.

            Yeah, thought the same thing when I read your post. I remember when microfiche was awesome.
            You’re spot-on with the comparison, but I find that depressing.
            Couple of jocks bitching about their QB, but won’t stand behind it…no respect from here.

          • Sometimes in this world you gotta politic. I’ll give you a scenario.
            Let’s say hypothetically that it’s the sources are Bmarsh and Bennett (sadly, a realistic possibility).

            Now, we all know that both Bmarsh and Bennett are ballers – NOT chicken shit – and that they care about winning.

            But, they’re stuck with this mopy erratic QB who turns it over at unsustainable rates. This QB who, as they see it, they can not win with.

            They want to win. They can’t fire Cutler themselves. They have no idea if the new brass will repeat the same philosphy of sticking with Cutty which has doomed the team.

            So, they begin leaking to try to force the GMs hand. They set it up so that if the GM was on the fence, and sees the leaks, maybe that’ll be enough to convince them (more than all this supposed cloak and dagger interviewing of past coaches).

            Bmarsh and Bennett would think this is ultimately good for the team.

            They also realize this is a much more PRUDENT option than just blasting Cutler publicly (again, with the team in mind).

            Just a scenario.

          • CanadaBear

            Wouldn’t it make more sense to talk to Cutler in private of the coaches in private? Why all the BS?

          • Canada, after 9 years in the league, what use is there in talking to Cutler?
            Bmarsh and Cutler both came in as rookies together. That’s a special bond. They both had dreams of making multiple PBs and going into the HOF.

            9 years later, Bmarsh has been a consistent high-caliber WR, while Cutler has remained Cutler. It’s remarkable how little his stats have changed from his 2nd year in the league, to last year.

            The fact that Bmarsh was the one who PUBLICLY said he’s probably have buyer’s remorse too, to me, proves that he’s kinda given up on the Cutler Reclamation Project.

            And Bmarsh was arguably his biggest backer.

            It’s almost like trying to change an addict. Only so much “talking” you can do. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

            I’m not saying that the unknown sources are Bmarsh and Bennett, but wouldn’t surprise any of us if they are.

            No doubt, that locker room is divided (just go back and listen to the Jeff-Jahns podcost), and it’s divided over Cutler.

            A house divided….

            The anti-Cutler faction is absolutely trying to send Cutler packing cuz they’re done towing the company line. They’ve been good little soldiers all this time, and look where it’s got them.

            I don’t condone leaks, but I definitely understand it in the case of Cutler.

            The same sort of leaks surfaced about McNabb around the same point of Cutler’s career (Not surprisingly, led by HIS WR, Owens), and those leaks in retrospect turned out to be very true.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I like it. They’re pouring fuel on the fire, but don’t want to burn the clubhouse down.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Why does it matter? A majority of former players don’t go that route after being done anyways so that’s nothing unusual.

    • willbest

      Jay Cutler actually expressed an interest in retiring to Tennessee and doing sports radio after football, which means he probably wouldn’t care at all about ending up a Titan.

    • Hmph. You didn’t get the Jeff memo?

      No more talking about Cutler! He has hammered down his gavel as emperor of the blogosphere.

      Just look at his article talking about Cutler if you don’t believe me.

      (this one, not the one a few threads back when he said he said he wasn’t going to say anything more about Jake)

    • Ergo, re-hire Martz.

      “Although Smith let Martz go after the 2011 season, there’s no denying Cutler played some of his best football as a Bear during a six-game span that year in which he completed 60.7 percent of his throws for 1,359 yards and eight touchdowns with three interceptions for a passer rating of 91.3. Cutler led the Bears to a 5-1 record during that stretch before breaking his right thumb”

      • CuttyBadger doooon’t caarreee…

        “But every one of the former staffers interviewed from the Smith and Trestman regimes pointed out similar flaws in the quarterback. Two “R” words — “renegade” and “rogue” — were often used by the former staffers when asked about Cutler’s ability to play within the confines of an offensive system.”

      • BerwynBomber

        Martz limited Cutty’s ability to audible. So did Shanahan out in Denver. Those two short stretches — under Martz and Shanny — were arguably the best Cutty has played his entire career.

        If Cutty stays, Gase would be wise to follow their lead. No more audibles/reading Ds at the line for Jay. Just run the damn play that is called.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I believe the way the Bears are handling the Cutler situation is a losing way.

      For me it’s a pink flag. It’s not red because it’s early, but I’m very, very dubious.

      At that point it’s obvious these nonsense type of articles, opinions,… will rise up like mushrooms in the forest.

      • Irish Sweetness

        What are they doing wrong? If you’re not certain, then do nothing sayeth Sun Tzu. They said they’re analyzing the situation. Fair enough. From my viewpoint that means “we are in the process of finding a buyer for the golden child.”

        If we have some Deep-throat opposition adding fuel to the fire then good stuff I say, it expedites his trade out of here. United we stand, divided we fall … and I’d rather be united under a Clausen, Fales, Fitzpatrick, whoever.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          They’re leaking some insane, never heard before things.

          Like networking former Bears to gain information about the ‘franchise QB’.

          You can’t go back from that. It’s a head shot. The confusing part is that such a tactic puts you in a highly inferior position in regard to the ‘buyer’. You ain’t selling no ‘golden goose’. You’re selling a chicken infected with bird flu.

    • SC Dave

      Fuck… how many more players, coaches, scouts, managers, etc. will go down trying to make a silk purse from the sow’s ear that is Jay Cutler?

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    To those already speculating about how we are going to be utilizing the cap space. Remember, we have $30M in cap space and 52 players already signed. we have more money than $30M to work since we already have 52 players signed – 10-15 of those players no one has ever heard of and are not going to be on the team. so we got money to sign a draft class and still probably have close to $30M to use on FA.

    • willbest

      The issue most people have is they don’t like the 52 players we have. So they figure we are going to have to spend it. Figure 6 mil on the draft class plus 3 mil for emergencies. What do you do with 21 mil. Do you just get Suh. Do you get McCourty and extend Jeffery, do you get McCourty, and a good FA ILB, DE. Do you extend Jeffery and just get a bunch of above average D players, etc.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        if you keep the 6 guys we draft – you eventually have to cut 6 guys. so the 6mill on the draft is negligible. Thats my point. the salary cap is against 53 players not every player we ever sign this year. So, if you keep 3mill for emergencies we would still have 25+M in cap space to spend on FAs.

        on a side note. in the off season only the top 51 contracts on each team are actually counted against the cap, where as once the season starts its the full 53 man roster.

        • willbest

          Well sort of. The players that get cut are going be the 450k cap hit guys. Where as the first and second rounder are going to be 3 and 1.25 million cap guys. But I see your point with the bottom half of the draft.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            or they cut someone like Shea since the new regime has no ego to preserve a 1st round draft pick, which saves us almost 2m.

          • it would actually save only about $750k. Dead money. 1st rounders get almost their entire contracts guaranteed (in fact, Fuller’s entire rookie contract is guaranteed).

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            my bad still cut him

  • John Doe

    Adam Levitan @adamlevitan · 5h5 hours ago
    FA Randall Cobb expected to command $12M per season. Jordy Nelson, clearly better WR, makes $9.7M. Issue for GB: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/randall-cobb-bryan-bulaga-set-for-market-after-team-passes-on-tags-b99454002z1-294766221.html

    • BerwynBomber

      Said it a month ago but would not be surprised to see the Cheese let him walk. Cheese aren’t as smart nor ruthless as the Pats but they do have a little of that in them. The tough thing for the Cheese is that Cobb is still young, and to a degree, he is a homegrown developmental project.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Devonte Adams is all ready to step up to the plate, plus they’ll draft someone this year. I’m sure they’re not going to give in to Cobb’s demands.

        • BerwynBomber

          That has been my reading of it too, though Adams will not replace Cobb in terms of speed and elusiveness.

        • Yup. And when u have Rodger dropping it in wrs hands ,they can get away w it.
          They don’t need huge studs to make their qb look good like we do

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Bullshit.

      His agent might find the moron opened to overpay, but he’s a slightly better then average WR and he will not get such $.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Jags have $68M to spend and need a WR, I think he’ll find a home at at least $10M per.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I’d refute your opinion, but they did overpay for Adrian Peterson’s reserve.

          They might pay 12 M for a WR, but if they do they’ll do it for a big time WR not for an average one.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Who else is there? Demarius Thomas and Dez Bryant got franchised. Cobb is now the #1 UFA Wide Rec. on the market. I guess maybe if Vincent Jackson gets released you could say he’s #1 but even then IF I have to overpay VJax or Cobb (can’t say neither, have to pay one of those 2) then I would choose Cobb.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            They invested in the position so they have young quick WRs.

            Jeremy Maclin, Torrey Smith, Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall (probably), others.

            They can draft a stud and use that money on other positions.

            They could sign Murray and Julius Thomas, O Linemen and go with an outside veteran WR like those above.

          • Wallace is getting shopped around . he’ll likelybe cut if no one bites

          • Wallace sucks though.

          • didn’t he score 10 TDs last season?
            And Wallace did well when he had a QB who could actually throw the deep ball, like Roth.

            Tannenhill cannot hit a deep route if his life depended on it. Strong arm. no deep accuracy.

            Wallace comes with some character concerns though, and he’s most likely not as fast as he used to be, but he can still be very productive and still make safeties back up.

          • He also has a lot of drops and major me-first attitude. Bitched last year while his team was winning because he wasn’t getting the ball enough.

          • Me first diva WRs!? Say it aint so!

            Hence the character concerns, but some team will pay him.

  • John Doe

    This guy is more in Bears range ($5-6 million per year) thant Mccourty’s $10 million. Plus, John Fox. I will be happy if Pace gets him.
    —-
    Rotoworld:

    Rahim Moore – DB – Broncos

    The Denver Post anticipates free agent FS Rahim Moore commanding more than $5 million annually on the open market.

    The Post names the Eagles as a potential suitor, as new Philly DBs coach Corey Undlin was Moore’s position coach the past two years. Philadelphia is flush with salary cap space and has a perennial need at safety. The Broncos already have big money committed to CBs Aqib Talib and Chris Harris, as well as SS T.J. Ward. Moore leaving Denver is seen as a foregone conclusion.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      For my money he isn’t a Fangio type of S. Leaving alone his value who isn’t all that.

      • John Doe

        He will be better than Brock Vereen, Mundy or even whatever rookie they end up drafting.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          He’s average. I’d rather have Vereen for 1 M than Moore at 5.

          We’ll see what’s what with Vereen this year. He’s got potential from my pov.

    • I’d rather have McCourty. On-field difference will be greater than the difference in their contracts, IMO.

      • I’m coming more into MBs position of getting a studly S.
        Before, I knever really judged it a priority because in the Lovie-2 a safety just had to play zone and not fuck up, so it’s not as if you needed a playmaker (though striking gold on Mike Brown was nice while it lasted).

        However, in a 3-4, safeties are asked to do more. They’re asked to cover man, play zone, and even blitz. They also seem to have to know more about reading offenses and execute more exotic packages (hence why the good 3-4s were manned by Polamalu, Reed, etc).

        I know the Fangio D isn’t AS exoctic as some other 3-4s, but it CAN be, especially with a blue-chip safety.

        Plus, we DESPERATELY need someone in the secondary who can counter Rodgers, at least make him pause.

        Before we had MB and Lach to do that. Rodgers would make an audible, Lach would make an audible, Rodgers would check out of audible, …it was really fun to watch…and it worked.

        Rodgers always had mortal games vs our D when we had.

        1. a pass rush with the front 4
        2. A captain who could line up our D based on what the O was showing.

        Don’t know if this McCourty guy is on that level, but if he is, that would be a HUGE asset. Not only would McCourty instantly improve the safeties (including progressing Vereern and whoever else), but McCourty would instantly help Jennings, Fuller, etc by lining them up correctly, not to mention no more “miscommunications.” or whiffs on the RBs.

        IF you combine all that with the fact that it’s a VERY thin S class in both FA and the Draft, and mayeb, just maybe, McCourty would be worth his price in gold.

        Rodgers isn’t going anywhere soon, and neither are some of the potential HOF QBs we might face in the playoffs.

        • BerwynBomber

          Pretty cool clip of Rodgers and Lach talking about their on-field rivalry. In the last minute, Lach admits that Rodgers pretty much read any check he made. Sounds like Rodgers mortal games against us had more to do with our talent and discipline than Lach outwitting him.

  • John Doe

    Are Pace and Fox setting the stage to simply cut Cutler?

    Why would they 1) talk to his former coaches 2) leak the news that they are talking to his former coaches 3) leak what the former coaches said including how he is rogue and cannot win etc. etc.

    Seems to me, given what is known about the guy, these are the things you would not do if you are trying to keep the guy and trying to get any semblance of cooperation from the guy. Plus they have Dowell Loggains on the staff – a guy who knows Cutler as well as or probabaly better than his former coaches.

    I don’t see the point of this exercise.

    These leaks will only ensure Jake’s rogue factor and punk factor if he remains with Bears.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Losing type, disastrous plan…whatever they want to do with him. That’s my opinion for day 1, especially after that report that said they’re talking to ‘formers’.

      It makes no sense. If they want to cut him…they should just do it. It’s not like many would cry.

      If you want to trade him…that’s just plain stupid.

      If they want to keep him…that’s just setting the stage for boos and outside pressure.

      Who has a scenario where their tactic gives positive results of sort ? Please…. tell me. I hate when I miss something.

      • John Doe

        My best guess is they are just trying to lay the groundwork for cutting him. They want to show the fanbase that they did their homework, were very thorough, talked to everyone, watched tape, etc. etc.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          The fanbase is literally begging them to cut his ass. There’s no sell job needed.

          And if so… is the PR gain for them personally worth more than the draft picks they would/could get in a possible trade scenario ?

          • John Doe

            You are wrong about the fanbase begging to cut his ass. More than 60% still want him and are willing to make excuses for him.

            And may be they did call up every team looking for a QB and found out there are no takers in that no team is willng to give draft picks to Bears for him.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            that 60% is a bunch of crap you keep spouting. 60% of people know there are no better options at this time. only a few are willing to make excuses for him.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I’m one of those. Cut his ass as long as you have a valid winning plan and you’re competitive right away.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Why would you not take the draft pick ?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Me? I’m keeping Cutler and I wouldn’t accept less than a 2nd rounder.

            But if Pace-Fox decide to cut him, I’m okay with it as long as they build something and are competitive from right away, meaning this season.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Well..they’re on this path from the day they were hired.

            This tactic is day 1 stuff. “I haven’t talked to Jake, we’ll see, who are we talking about ?”

            Fuck the fan base first of all. Do what’s best for the team, period.

            I don’t trust those % second of all.

            Cut Cutler and use those money to sign Suh or 2 big time players. The fan base would be in awe.

          • willbest

            What cap savings? His salary this year was guaranteed march of last year.

          • John Doe

            $10 million next year if they cut him before March 12.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Yeah but this year he’ll be dead money and an additional $3M cap hit (the unamortized portion of his “signing bonus”) so there’ll be even less room to sign Suh.

          • John Doe

            But at least they won’t have to deal with him, answer questions about him every damn day, and can truly start their rebuilding effort their own way.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Well you play with the cap hit of the Suh sign and make the cap hit low this year and bigger next year .

            It’s what happened with Allen.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            From next year going forward. Instead of 15-15-15-15-15 you do 10-20-15-15-15

          • willbest

            No, about 20% of the fanbase is begging for it, they just happen to be a big vocal chunk on the internet.

            If Pace/Fox/McCaskey cut Cutler then I will come to the conclusion they don’t need my money ever again. They want to trade him for a 7th round pick, fine. But if they honestly think the best option is to flush 15 mil down the toilet and take an 18 mil cap hit…

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Solid position.

            My position is ‘at least a 2 round pick’, but if they cut him and have a valid plan they might as well cut him.

          • SC Dave

            You do know that 74.86% of all statistics are made up on the spot, don’t you?

      • willbest

        It make sense to talk to people that worked with him if you have already made the decision to keep him (perfectly valid considering the state of the QB market and your commitment to him) and now you are just going about maximizing his production. Not even necessarily from an appeasement standpoint because Trestman showed that doesn’t work. But perhaps finding out what carrots and sticks to be using.

        • John Doe

          All evaluations of Cutler are right at their finger tips. Whatever Lovie Smith, Martz, Tresty, Kromer thought about Cutler is probably in Bears internal scouting database. They did not need to speak to these guys. Seems very superficial and phoney exercise.

          And once again, they have Dowell Loggains on the staff – a guy who spends a lot of time with Cutler in Nashville. He could have told them all about what makes Cutler tick and what pisses him off.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            yes because we are all the same person we were 9 years ago, and nothing in our lives in 9 years changes who we are, and what makes us tick or pisses us off.

          • John Doe

            Evaluations happen every damn year. probably every training camp and end of the year.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            my bad thought Dowell Loggains was one of his college coaches

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          No !!! Talking with ‘formers’ is the ultimate ‘stick tactic’ against a player.

          It’s humiliating and counterproductive. The simple ‘leak’ you’re planing to talk to them is a no-go, no future situation you get yourself into. And the gain is miserable. It’s useless information.

          • John Doe

            Exactly. Just read the reports from the leak today. Only negative stuff about Cutler.

            there are no leaks about how great Cutler is.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Well…in what world exes, former and fired people are going to talk in a positive manner about his failures ?

    • BearDown100393

      This is disturbing. The previous Bears management had a member leaking information about the QB to the media. That turned out to be Aaron Kromer. And now there is a brand new management installed with more “anonymous sources” inside and outside the organization doing much of the same. What if this is at the command of someone above General Manager? Are the Bears at some executive level trying to force #6 to quit and leave? Is this an attempt to repeat what happened in Denver with Josh McDaniels?

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        or the former coaches thought it was odd they were asked about him and told reporters what they said about Cutler.

        • BearDown100393

          Maybe. I do find it odd.

        • John Doe

          But what was the point/need to talk to the former coaches?

          Even if Pace and Fox did not leak all this stuff themselves, surely they knew if they talk to this many former coaches, stuff is bound to be leaked. So why do it?

          They have passed up multiple opportunities to say they are keeping Cutler by using very vague and unconvincing “getting to know him” excuse.

          And then Cutler pretty much got trashed again in the media today. It is like ” buyer’s remorse” days from December.

          It doesn’t make sense at all…unless you are ready to cut him.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            man i wish Irish would come on here spouting some of his alien/political/government conspiracy crap because it would be a lot more interesting.

          • BearDown100393

            IMHO it’s the McCaskeys

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I agree.

            But that’s stupid in itself. Better cut him in silence, instead of this insane stuff.

            Every action has a reaction. You might be prepared to deal with his departure, but you can’t be when it comes to trashing a player for PR reasons.

          • BerwynBomber

            Mostly agree. If Pace and Fox are doing this to save face with pre-emptive PR than it shows they are going to be ruled by public opinion, which is always courting disaster in terms of personnel decisions.

            If you want to cut Cutler because, long-run, you think it will be good for the team then just do it. But don’t try to save face because 60% of the fanbase wants to keep him.

            In terms of your last graph, Emery paid because he made him the highest paid player in the league and Jay, in turn, played like the 20th best starting QB. Whether Pace or Fox would pay for bashing Cutty (if they cut or trade him), would depend on how Cutler would play elsewhere as well as how is replacement would play in Chicago. In other words, TBD.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            My point was that you’re going to pay at some point if you’re not constant and professional in whatever direction you go.

            If you over love a player you’re linked to that player and if you destroy him you put added pressure on the replacement, because that guy has to act like the opposite of the guy you bashed. Let the replacement act in a natural way.

            The point is… you always lose when you act of give the impression you act in a personal manner. Just do you business in a business like manner. You can’t lose that way.

          • Johnnywad

            Or maybe they’re actually getting to know him so they can make an informed decision. Why would they need a dog and pony show to cut him? They can cut him or keep him as they wish without ramification. There really is no need for cloak and dagger here.

          • BerwynBomber

            PR hit. Or the potential for one. That would be the theory.

          • Johnnywad

            I’m not sure there would really be one. And its not like they’re providing new information here. Fans may disagree on some aspects of his game, but nobody could be surprised by the Bears deciding to move on at this point. At least I can’t imagine it.

          • John Doe

            You always do things in ways that covers all bases.

            And don’t forget Ryan Pace is a 37 year old first time GM who be making this huge decision on a player with $126 million contract.

            Regardless of fans wanting to get rid of Cutler or not, Pace cannot afford to look as if making this decision in flippant way or without serious due diligence.

            The wise thing to do here is to do the dog and pony show. It is always safe to to do the dog and pony show.

    • These leaks could be coming from the former coaches, not Chicago’s front office. Who knows.

  • Santee Jack

    “Two teammates, who also asked to remain anonymous for this story, characterized Cutler as a divisive figure with whom they’d rather not continue to play.” (from ESPN)

    Don’t know the statistics for 2014 but it seemed as though most of cutler’s completions came on short passes on the first 2 downs. This could explain his fairly high completion percentage.

    cutler led all QB’s in both interceptions and fumbles. Could it be his teammates were deliberately attempting to make him look bad in 2014? Easy to do by running just a bit off the designed route, slowing down, and so on. Even Marshall made some disparaging remarks about cutler.

    Bears got cutler and a 5th round pick; Broncos got 2 first round picks, a 3rd round pick and Orton. cutler was definitely not worth it! Mediocre play over nine seasons (six with the Bears) prove that. Over his 9 years in the NFL, he can be rated as a C+ QB at best.

    Trade cutler (and #1 draft pick, if necessary) to another team for their 1st round pick.

    Start David Fales or another pick-up in 2015. They probably wouldn’t do any worse than cutler.

    • John Doe

      “Two teammates, who also asked to remain anonymous for this story, characterized Cutler as a divisive figure with whom they’d rather not continue to play.” (from ESPN)

      I am willing to bet one of them is Martellus Bennett. He was particularly harsh on Cutler after the end of the season. He even told reporters that he asked Cutler straight up,”do you care about winning?”

      • GPLDAN

        I bet Robbie Gould.

        • willbest

          Considering the #@@# last 16 months Gould has had what with not winning the MN game, and 2 key misses this year in addition to never ever successfully kicking onsides. He should keep his mouth shut.

          • Gould has been yapping more than his foot allows him as of late.

          • SC Dave

            Robbie Gould is far, far, far, better at his job than Jay Cutler is at his. Non-debatable fact.

          • CanadaBear

            Gotta agree with that Dave but Gould hasn’t been as good these last 2 years. Still a good kicker but he was a great kicker (other than his inability to onside kick successfully).

    • AlbertInTucson

      I’m not impressed by guys who want to trash teammates anonymously. That is classless.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’m not impressed by Jay Cutler.

    • willbest

      Without Cutler Bears wouldn’t have been in the NFCC in 2010, and on their way there again in 2011 (before his thumb injury). Anybody that somehow think Angelo/Lovie would have used those two first rounders wisely wasn’t paying attention.

      • Orton would likely have been starting.
        I wish we had a Star Trek alternate timeline to see how that would’ve turned out.

        • willbest

          Yes but if you have Orton, do you still end up with Mike Martz?

          • Well, considering that NO ONE else wanted to go down with Lovie, maybe no other options.

            Like I said, would’ve made compelling alternate universe tv…

        • Irish Sweetness

          I just watched Star Trek : Nemesis again last night. I’d completely forgotten that Data dies in the movie. Yet in the last episode of ‘SNG : All good things … ‘ … there he is, grey hair, sucking on his pipe in Oxford. Except it’s not really Data, Data died, so it must be android B-4, a prototype of Noonian Soong’s that they found on Korulan III, but which was not fitted with a positronic brain … so how does … –
          {IRISH ! NOOOOOO!}

          Sorry.

  • BerwynBomber

    Adam Schefter reporting the Iggles have traded Lesean McCoy to the Bills for Kiko Alonzo.

    • John Doe

      That is a good trade for the Eagles. Draft is deep in RBs. Chip Kelly can find a cheap replacement for McCoy and use 2 years of Alonso on rookie deal.

      Make no mistake, Chip Kelly is busy collecting his Oregon players. He will move up for Mariota.

    • wow.
      Would any of us have been ok with trading Forte for Alonzo?

      It’s kinda a smart move by philly, and a risky one.

      They probably figure they can snag a good HB in this deep HB class, or worst case scenario, they can live with Sproles and a complement.

      • John Doe

        LeSean McCoy is only 26..much younger than Forte. And cheaper too.

        Andrew Brandt @adbrandt · 14m14 minutes ago
        Kiko Alonso has two years left on his contract at $746,000 and $942,000. LeSean McCoy has two years left on his contract at $6.9M and $7.6M.

        • McCoy has 3 years left… $10M this year, those 2 the next 2 years.

          He has 1700 career touches, which means he’s 2 years away from being done as an every down back.

          He already showed some signs of regression last year, and leads the NFL in carries over the past 2 years. History is not kind to backs with that kind of workload.

          • John Doe

            But he is much better than Forte for the trade. No team would pick Forte over McCoy in the trade.

          • Do you think that rookie HBs should have a different draft scale? (I.E. they should get paid more coming into the NFL)?

          • willbest

            It would be nice in theory, but the result would be more undrafted or late round HBs. Not one that are more fairly compensated for the toll their body takes.

            It would probably have to be some flat tax on each team that then gets paid out to rookie contract HBs based on the number of carries they get.

            edit:

            You might also try cap forgiveness like they do with vets. So a rookie HB drafted in round 1 would count say 2 million less towards your cap.over the length of the contract, on down to 200k less for the 7th round.

          • Yeah, the current situation just seems unfair to me.
            Teams use them up without conscience, then throw them aside like a washed up hooker.

            And they’re still a huge part of winning in the NFL.

            It’s an interesting dilemma.

          • willbest

            I was just offering solutions to make RBs more attractive. I guess it seems a bit unfair from a who is going to have the hardest post 45 life, but then nobody is forcing anybody to play.

          • I think a solution I heard which makes sense is that perhaps RBs coming into the league shouldn’t be able to sign for longer than 3 years.

            That might net them a much fatter contract in their prime.

            If they get the 5 year plan, let’s say a HB comes in at 22.

            A team rides him from day 1 (like we did Forte).

            He gets tagged with the 5 yr option.

            Suddenly, he’s hitting FA at 28 and with a load of damage.

            If it’s a hard 3 years, then they’ll be available in their prime, at about 25.

            If I were the commish, I would go that route.

          • CanadaBear

            It’s kind of like the Cowgirls pounding the hell out of Murray and then cutting him loose.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Supposed the the Colts are very interested in Murray.

          • CanadaBear

            Their RB intel is a little suspect after trading for Richardson.

      • I would have been THRILLED with that trade for Chicago. Alonso is a young stud at a huge need position who complements Chicago’s current LBs perfectly (aka he’s great in coverage).

        • SC Dave

          No fucking way. You DO NOT TRADE THE BEST PLAYER ON THE FUCKING TEAM. Why would ANYONE want to be the best for you? Goddamnit… you numbers people never seem to get that part.

          • CanadaBear

            You and I like Forte more than most on here (Cormonster is also a huge fan) but Alonso would be a great return for him. At some point when Forte is gone or retired people will realize how good he was. Of course, the way some Bears fans like to shit all over former Bears stars, maybe not.

          • As long as Forte doesn’t go full-Lach and crap on fans, then he’ll be revered.
            Bears fans don’t despise all former players. I mean, look at most of our avis. Sweetness, McMahon, Mike Brown…Bears fans revere players who retire gracefully, not like an old bitter girlfriend.

            If Peanut and Forte go quietly into that goodnight, they’ll be thought of fondly like Waddle.

            Briggs is another story…

          • I love Forte, but his time is coming to an end and this RB class is loaded. Instead of spending a 2nd round pick on an ILB, you get a young stud. Opens up a pick for a RB in the middle rounds.

            If they can’t get a good deal in return, I am 100% on board for keeping Forte one more year. He’s great. But after this year I don’t want him back unless it’s on a cheap deal.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Just bidniz, Dave.

            We paid a second rounder for him. Now he’s hitting thirty. The little red light is flashing in his palm, that’s Carousel, Jack. now if somebody gives you anything close to what you paid for him then that’s smart business .. .a shit-hot linebacker, even better. When we’re in a position to make a super bowl run, Matt will be finished, and we get nothing in return.

            I think Cutty lost his bottle last year and started second-guessing his interceptions, and he started to dump it off a lot (a record-breaking bevy for Forte). Our HB making 100+receptions didn’t do us much good all told. Don’t confuse his passing game numbers with his very average ground game.

            And Brandon is the best player on the team IMHO. We can run the ball as inefficiently as we do without Matt, but we can’t pass it without Brandon, IMO.

    • AlbertInTucson

      McCoy’s agent, Drew “Next Question” Rosenmouth, is trying to say the deal isn’t final.

      I’m sure Drew thinks the Eagles need his permission to make the deal.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Now why didn’t we do that?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Curt Schilling bagged himself a couple of trolls today.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/yankees-fire-employee-who-harassed-curt-schilling-about-his-daughter-184408267.html

    Further evidence that Twitter is an invention that the world didn’t/doesn’t need.

    • CanadaBear

      Schilling is an attention whore but I’m glad these guys got kicked in the nuts. Why anyone would subject themselves to this BS is beyond me.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Schilling does like to hear the sound of his own voice, but I hope cyber bullies / cowards take note.

    • SC Dave

      Twitter is the worst thing since 24 hour news. And that’s saying something.

      • AlbertInTucson

        THAT, sir, is a damn good comparison!

      • Irish Sweetness

        Which is 1 hour of news repeated 24 times ….

    • SC Dave

      Too bad that Schilling could not have kicked the living shit out of both the smarmy little cocksuckers harassing HIS DAUGHTER. Or jail the worthless worms.

      • AlbertInTucson

        One got fired as a ticket taker for the Yankees. The other suspended from his college

        • burntorangenavyblue

          Glad that those guys got put in their place, however, a college suspending someone over that sets a dangerous precedent on to what they can and can’t do….are they going to suspend students who post pictures of them drinking at parties? I know what this guy said is absolutely tasteless, but it’s weird that the school would step in like that

      • “That is with out a doubt the dumbest idea I ever heard.”

      • CanadaBear

        Amazing how brave people are when they think they are invisible.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Wow, that’s crazy. Hmm, the ‘crazy’ word is becoming too normalized for today’s world….we need a new word

  • John Doe

    Bills being Bills. Do not understand why they would go for this trade in a draft class rich with RBs.

    Arthur Arkush35m

    Passed on Odell/Evans, gave up extra 1st-rounder for Watkins in richest WR draft ever. And this draft/FA loaded RBs, albeit no Shady #Bills

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Maybe he doesn’t fit Ryan’s Defense.

      I agree. It’s overkill and forced (if no draft picks are involved)

      • CanadaBear

        If Alonso comes back this year after missing last year and kills it on the field, Philly made a good trade. If not, Chip Kelly’s seat might get a little warm.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          No. Because you can’t have a 9+ M cap hit RB and McCoy ain’t reducing his salary.

          Philly gets a potential difference maker in a weak spot on the roster for a guy they would have cut either way.

          I would have applauded the Bears brain trust if they would have traded a 2nd rounder for Kiko Alonso.

  • SC Dave

    Just to preempt the next one, we’re not going to follow Leming.

  • John Doe

    Matt Miller, Bleacher Report

    22 hrs ·

    Top 10 Sneak Peek (with grades)

    1. QB Jameis Winston (7.5/9.0)
    2. DL Leonard Williams (7.5/9.0)
    3. WR Kevin White (7.5/9.0)
    4. EDGE Dante Fowler (7.5/9.0)
    5. WR Amari Cooper (7.49/9.0)
    6. CB Marcus Peters (7.49/9.0)
    7. EDGE Randy Gregory (7.4/9.0)
    8. G Brandon Scherff (7.4/9.0)
    9. WR DeVante Parker (7.4/9.0)
    10. RB Todd Gurley (7.4/9.0)

    • Irish Sweetness

      Scherff is a Guard now? If we drafted either him or Gregory I would not piss my pants in dismay. Plus we could go down to like 15/16 and get an extra 2nd rounder too. That might land you Landon Collins and a decent pass-rusher.

  • John Doe

    Brandon Marshall replacement??

    ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk · 19m19 minutes ago

    Brian Hartline visits Bears on Wednesday, hopes to pick a new team within 24 hours http://wp.me/p14QSB-9IGu

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      That’s like replacing Martellus Bennett with Matt Spaeth.

    • Irish Sweetness

      He returns kicks I think.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    People are amazed with the Alonso-McCoy trade. I hate that.

    I think the trade scenario should be the No. 1 option for the Bears when it comes to filling certain positions.

    The most important position when it comes to trades is Inside Linebacker. The Bears need the right ILB. You can’t go with the best FA bum or a maybe rookie.

    Patrick Willis should be in play big time. Jerod Mayo might be another. Big time players and leaders up in age, coming off injuries, with big cap hits and replacements in place for their teams.

    The Bears need the right guy to man the Defense. Get him even if there’s some risk involved !!! They don’ need the ‘best available’. That’s not good enough.

  • John Doe

    Rosendoom nails it on Cutler-Marshall question..

    Will Cutler and Marshall be here when the Bears are ready to contend again?

    If the Bears believed Cutler and Marshall would be part of their next Super Bowl team, then it seems as if new general manager Ryan Pace and new coach John Fox would’ve said it already. They might’ve said it when they were hired. They might’ve said it at the NFL scouting combine. But they didn’t say it then. They haven’t said it publicly yet. Maybe they don’t feel as if they have to say anything, but if they say it now, there might be a credibility issue.

    Pace has said he wants his best players to be his best leaders. Cutler and Marshall are supposed to be two of the Bears’ best players, and sometimes they are, but not often enough for the money. They
    certainly don’t stand as two of their best leaders.

    Marshall said previously winning the Super Bowl isn’t the most important thing to him
    and that he plays football as a platform to promote his cause, which is mental health awareness. That’s some leader.

    So then, if the answer is no — and that’s my answer — the next question is this:

    Why keep them around?

    Stop trying to use duct tape on this thing. If you’re going to rehab the roster, then one option certainly is to raze the thing from the start, and that would seem to start with the quarterback.

    If the Bears don’t believe Cutler is the answer, then keeping him seems backward. Stagnant, at least.

    The common objection is the dearth of quarterbacks available to replace him, but if the Bears trade Cutler, they likely would get a quarterback in return, and whoever they bring in couldn’t do worse than lead the league in turnovers and probably couldn’t exhibit less leadership.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-bears-jay-cutler-brandon-marshall-deadline-20150304-column.html

    • GPLDAN

      I agree with you, Johnny Dough.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        The subtext is: we’re so desperate for anyone to make us an offer we’ll bash and humiliate the player just to get rid of him faster.

        • CanadaBear

          Totally agree. Can’t say about Pace (although I’m assuming he’s a professional) but Fox has been nothing but a professional since he first became a HC. They both have enough on their plate they aren’t going to go around acting like a shill for TMZ.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Considering the Chicago Media is a circus show anyhow, I’m sure that the Bears’ organization use their 39 1/2 ft. pole to keep TMZ away

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That’s the mind blowing thing. They’re going all TMZ on Cutler’s and our (fans) asses.

            I’m baffled because I don’t understand what’s the objective.

          • CanadaBear

            The objective in the media is pretty simple, trying to get page hits. What I don’t get is why people can’t see through that and just let the situation play out. People taking these “stories” as gospel when all it is is some media person trying to get noticed with no verifiable facts to back it up.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I disagree.

            The story that they’re talking to former to get a read on Cutler is a Bears leak. Micheal Smith from ESPN Chicago does his own kind of ‘Cutler Panel’ and he publishes the results. Very, very negative for the Bears QB.

            You see ? They are literally inviting ‘media’ to play the ‘click game’. I mean… JAKE Cutler !?

          • Irish Sweetness

            If the story is true then it is probably as simple as it sounds. Two mouthy millionaires (offensive players) who have no time for Cutler, do what they do best and ran their mouths. Their justification comes from the fact that they believe their analysis of Cutler to be correct. Long has there been a cancer in the locker room, now we may have ‘proof’ that it’s Cutty.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I enjoy Rosendoom a lot, but he doesn’t say anything special in this one.

      This article is based on the idea that “Pace has said he wants his best players to be his best leaders.”

      That’s a very, very debatable thing.

      • GPLDAN

        Barb –

        The mere fact you like the Doomer really, really puts a cap on things. It really should be a DBB rule that you must think the Doomer is a turd else you get the boot.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Freedom of speech…bitch.

          Jokes aside I like his style and bottom line approach more than the fake expert/insider/ownership friendly version.

    • Peanut FTW

      I think is fairly benign but bordering stupid. First, you don’t need every elite player to be a leader on the team. Pump guys up once in a while sure, which Marshall does, but not every player needs to be a leader. Look at NE, Brady is the leader and Gronk adds some fire once in a while after a tough catch but he is no leader. Marshall just needs to play great, I give a shit less what color shoes he wears.
      And as far as Cutler, actually they could do worse, the QB they get could be near leading the league in TOs without producing any of the TDs that Cutler produces, that would be worse. In the end, I would rather have a 26TD 18INT guy than a 14TD 12INT guy. But maybe that’s just me.

      • John Doe

        If they do worse than 5-11 with someone like Brian Hoyer or Mark Sanchez, it only means Bears will have a shot at Connor Cook or other top QB in 2016 draft.

        This will take 2-3 good drafts to fix anyway.

        • Peanut FTW

          Cutler’s numbers did not make the team 5-11. The team got to 5-11 due in a very large part to the worst defense in the history of the franchise. Some of Cutler’s fumbles were not as much his fault as the line’s due to a beat up rotating Oline. The team’s record has little to do with any one player.

          • John Doe

            You completely missed the point. Pace and Fox are thinking have longer outlook than just 2015.

            If they simply cut Cutler before March 12, Bears will save $10 million in 2016. That is a big deal.

            If they go with a QB who is much inferior to Cutler, say a Clausen type and end up having a really bad year and finish 3-13 or something like that, they will be in prime position to pick a top QB in next year’s draft. Not a bad thing.

          • Peanut FTW

            10 million dollars means squat to the McCaskey family. That is not a big deal.
            The team is committed to winning NOW. If they do even worse that is worse than a bad thing, it is a terrible thing. My point is, there is no point to the article.

          • John Doe

            $10 million dollar means a lot to Ryan Pace in cap space.

            That is money good enough for a premium player in 2016.

            Every Jay Cutler exit strategy is difficult, but not impossible for Bears

            http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2014-12-18/jay-cutler-contract-salary-cap-release-trade-options-bears-guaranteed-money-benched-clausen-trestman-emery

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The real money in cutting Cutler doesn’t reside in the cap save, but in the reduced dimension of a rookie QB contract.

            If you find your rookie QB you can cut Cutler and don’t give a fuck for 10 M cap space.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Barb, Jesus, why don’t you want a freakin first round pick for Cutler? Or even a second rounder?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Fuck that. I’m no Jaguar fan.

          • Irish Sweetness

            (pulls out a photo of Barb and Mark Wahlberg in their little blue and white caps…)

            :o)

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You get it. When you follow a team like the Patriots you know how it’s done and you can’t stand incompetence.

          • willbest

            Cutting Cutler means there is 19.5 million dollars cap hit in 2015, and it means that instead of spending that now 20 mil (instead of 25mil) in cap to fix needs, you have to spend 5 mil of it on some crappy QB to bridge.

            They might as well just come out and say “The Chicago Bears have no interest in competing in 2015”

          • John Doe

            Which is exactly what they will do if Cutler is not the guy to take them to championship and if he is not part of the long-term plan.

          • willbest

            No, because freeing up 10 million in cap space next year
            means eating 19.5 million this year. The Bears have two legitimate
            options for Cutler
            1) He is their starting QB
            2) He is traded to free up cap

            Anything else could be filed under dumbest decision by Bears ever, which includes the hiring of Marc Trestman as HC

          • John Doe

            Even simply cutting Cutler is huge positive for Bears.

            It will be addition by subtraction.

            1) Fox and Pace will be glad not answer quesitons about him every single and after every day. Because the scrutiny will be even more intense on Cutler after last year. Press will asking ‘why not bench him’ pretty much after every INT. I can bet you Fox and Pace do not want to deal with that. He is not their guy and they would rather not answer question about him every damn day. You saw how quickly Fox got irritated with 8 straight Cutler question at the combine.

            2) No longer sulking QB on the sidelines who does nothing to rally the team and in fact suck life out of the team with his frequent turnovers.

            3) Fox and Pace can work on building the roster according to their plan and wishes right from first day of the league season and not have to lug around $126 million albatross of a contract from a previous regime. Keeping Cutler will only delay Bears progressing towards building a winning future team.

          • willbest

            1) Wrong. Whoever plays the spot will draw comparisons to Cutler and unless they put up 10 wins they will be regularly asked if it was the correct decision. They won’t get 10 wins (see point 3).

            2) Incorrect. 2 years ago Cutler was known as Mr. 4th Quarter. He isn’t the perpetural Mr. Sulk you think he is.

            3) False. If you cut Cutler (you can’t use the June 1 designation because if you did you would owe him the $10 mil in 2016), you eat a 19.5 mil cap hit in 2015. Plus you have to go out and get a QB (another 8 million for giving somebody like Hoyer a 2-year deal). So your total savings was 2 million, and the result is you downgrade your QB this year. So you are less competitive in 2015, and you save a trivial amount of money.

            If Cutler is not on the Bears in 2015. He has to be traded.

          • BerwynBomber

            “1) Wrong. Whoever plays the spot will draw comparisons to Cutler and unless they put up 10 wins they will be regularly asked if it was the correct decision. They won’t get 10 wins (see point 3).”

            Don’t know about that. IF the Bears move on w/out Cutty and bring in an FA and post a competitive 7-9 record, it will probably silence a good chunk of the masses. Also would depend upon how Cutler plays elsewhere — again working on the assumption he is gone, which I don’t think he will be.

            But if he craps the bed with a new team, fewer questions from the masses. He puts up a Pro Bowl-type numbers and/or a leads a team to the post-season, whole other ballgame.

          • Scott W.

            Here you are, BB. The whole debate in one easy to read article.
            My only doubt is that you will actually read it in its entirety, and more importantly, note which area of journalism is at the center of the debate.
            (Hint: It’s not sports).

            Happy reading/ranting. You’re welcome.

            http://ajrarchive.org/article.asp?id=1596

          • BerwynBomber

            Sorry, Scott. Anyone who thinks anonymous sources haven’t fueled some of the biggest investigative journalism stories in the last century hasn’t been paying attention. Moreover, it is someone whose opinions I put little value in regarding the subject. Hence, I won’t be opening your link. Thanks, though.

          • Scott W.

            Wow. Well, it’s a free country, man. Believe as you wish. Your sweeping generalization has no basis in fact, but I can’t really help you there.
            Guess if you want to make it personal, yer on yer own there, though I’m sorry you can’t open up a little. I spent years in newsrooms, BB. I’m not just throwing darts in the air. The anonymous citation and or quoted source was a hot topic in every one of them.
            As the piece you won’t read states, most editors detest them, and do everything they can to avoid them.
            The Perez Hiltons (and dare I say sports journos?) of the world, on the other hand…
            You have a good day man.

          • BerwynBomber

            Again, Scott … the ONLY quotes I saw from the anonymous sources in the Cutty piece were “renegade”/”rogue” which were attributed to two or more of the sources. There was no extended quote from an anonymous source (at least that I saw when I skimmed). If you would have preferred those two words were struck from the article — fair enough — but I don’t know if it would matter that much in terms of the context of the piece.
            I get what you are saying about the slippery slope of internet journalism, but on the flip side is the fact that Deadspin often runs circles around the more traditional sites like ESPN.
            Sorry if I made it personal. We just disagree on this issue and frankly I was done with it as of last night.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Perez Hilton was on the UK Celebrity big brother. I’m not proud of it, but I watched.
            The ‘man’ is clinically insane. And horrible, and mean.

          • Scott W.

            …guilty pleasures, man. We all indulge in stupid sometimes, if for no other reason than to remind us why we don’t. Heh!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Bookmarking that one, I have shit to do this week.

          • Scott W.

            It’s a good read. Let me know what you think.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fuck 7-9, Ber. If we’re rebuilding, then okay, but if Cutty is styickig around, then if not to win .. .wtf?

            Cutler being gone means two things :

            1) We look after the ball, and respect it (ideally).

            2) We get a nice, big, fancy, shiny fucking draft pick that we turn into some killing thing with teeth.

          • EnderWiggin

            3-13? That’s just fucking terrible. Under any circumstance. 3-13 should never be a goal.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And his interception count …? Is that Marshall and Jeffrey’s fault … or the RB that caught a hundred passes ? I know it can’t be Jay’s fault ….

        • Irish Sweetness

          Shhhhhhhh! Don’t let the guys hear you say that …..

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        He says Pace has said that that’s his vision/mentality.

        I don’t know if that’s true. Is it ? Anyone remembers such a statement ?

        • John Doe

          “Pace has said he wants his best players to be his best leaders.”

          I believe he said this in his intro presser.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Ok.

            So this Rosendoom article is actually based on real stuff, read and react conclusions.

            It’s not an opinion article.

          • Peanut FTW

            Now, this is walking a fine line between inference and assumption; but, I would infer that if he said those words, he probably meant it more in reference to every great player being a role model, a good team player, not necessarily a leader. Like Peanut for example, to me in his prime he was one of the best players on D and a great role model, but I don’t think of him as some on the field leader.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s what they didn’t say in their pressers. The body language Pace/Fox showed when asked their first Cutler question was very telling.

            He gone.

    • willbest

      It is nonsensical to say the Marshall isn’t worth 10 million a year he is paid for the game he plays. You might argue you don’t want his emo ass in the locker room, and that is fair. But the guy performs at or above his contract price.

      • John Doe

        They don’t want him to do the tv show and he is stubborn about doing the tv show.

        For the nth time, this is not about how good a WR Marshall is.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          If that’s the case I see dead people. Fox and Pace should have enough power of persuasion to convince a player to do what they want.

          This is child play for a big time HC and hyped (excited) GM.

          If you convince the head case to come in line everybody will be in line.

          • John Doe

            Their interests diverge. Marshall is only so much interested in football. He is already eyeing his post-football TV career.

            Not so easy for Fox and Pace to convince Marshall to give up the tv show when the guy has already moved on to his next career.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That’s doubtful. Marshall being done with sports and shit.

            I’m not buying it. Being interested in other things doesn’t make you uninvolved at 100% in previous activities.

            There’s a LOT of money in play here. And a lot of status. And pride. And visibility.

            Marshall’s post NFL career doesn’t make any sense if he isn’t an NFL big time player for other years still.

        • willbest

          If you make the statement

          “Cutler and Marshall are supposed to be two of the Bears’ best players,
          and sometimes they are, but not often enough for the money.”

          Then you are specifically linking Marshall’s on field performance to his contract, and saying that he doesn’t merit his pay.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            John Doe isn’t talking about Rosendoom’s opinion.

            The statement you ‘paste’ is Rosendoom’s opinion.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            The “copying and pasting” tactics on here is getting out of hand and confusing. People just need to link the story rather than putting half an article on a comment section.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            to be honest i am pretty sure that some of them don’t have an opinion of their own. mainly just sheep simply following the last shepherds words they read. unfortunately they read shit from idiots like Aaron Leming.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Tactics ? That’s an exaggeration. But I agree with you…sometimes things get confusing.

            I do think that idea Pace expressed (best players-best leaders) is a concept that we can debate. It’s a legitimate talking point.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If there is a better player on the Bears than Brandon Marshall I don’t see one. If there is anyone more vocal about wanting to win, or who gets more emotional when they don’t … I don’t see one …. and that’s my definition of a leader in football terms. $10M for a leader and a positional stud top five NFL player? Bargain.

    • beninnorcal

      Rosendoom is an idiot. I couldn’t care less about anything he ever says. He brings nothing.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Fuck the QB-in-return thing. I’ll take Clausen or whoever in a re-build scenario, anyone who looks after the ball is allowed in. Just secure the first round pick, anything less for Cutty is selling ourselves short IMO. Turn that first into two picks, whatever, but cash in properly if you’re cashing in – not take a fourth round pick plus some BS QB.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Seriously, many of you guys need to just chill out about the whole Cutler debate. I don’t care anymore which direction the Bears take. If they keep Cutler, you guys are going to whine. If they cut him, others will whine about it. Ridiculous how much time and energy is spent on this entire debate.

    The Bears SUCKED last year…..the entire Bears team. The word “Bears” embodies the entire organization that is the NFL team located in Chicago, IL. The Bears sucked, there’s MANY HOLES needing to be fixed. That’s it….stop splitting hairs!

    Oh, and for those that are thinking that the Bears “expect” to not have a good season next year, so be it….but don’t think for one damn second that John Fox will ever coach them like that. If the lightning in the bottle of getting the players to play like a 10-6/11-5 team happens, regardless of who is or isn’t on the team…YOU WOULD STILL BE HAPPY ABOUT IT, RIGHT?

    • Peanut FTW

      Well… this entire post is about Cutler, just sayin.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        I know, I know…..

        • burntorangenavyblue

          It’s the debate between the regulars is becoming to the point that ppl are getting frustrated and mad at each other about something that we have no control over at all….I like healthy debates, but this one has become beyond sour

      • Irish Sweetness

        It will be interesting to see if the Cutler thing continues after this thread. There will be literally nothing else to say… other than to repeat.

        I propose a Jefe-inspired moratorium on Jay Christopher Cutler .. until at least the NFL draft. (after this thread)

        What say ye, fair men and true ?

    • GPLDAN

      Bears did suck, it was a massive disaster of a season. A season that SHOULD create sweeping change.

      And, it appears for the most part, it has. Ginny wants to win prior to moving on to that great skybox in the sky.

      So the question now is, how is the new regime going to handle shedding the anchor that is Jay Cutler? It’s going to dominate headlines until his roster clause hits mid-March. So you will need to either tune out or come along for this nasty ride.

      • “great skybox in the sky” – Mink Lloyd track (Mink Lloyd is the Pink Floyd cover band that plays at corporate pep rallies)

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I don’t care about Cutler, but I do care about the process.

    • BearDown100393

      I simply cannot help it. I’m addicted to the anonymous source reporting of Michael Wright.

  • Trac

    I watched Bibi give one of the most powerful speeches of my lifetime from last night. Truly moving and compelling.

    • John Doe

      How many times somone has to be wrong before people stop taking them seriously?

      This Bibi Warmonger has been saying Iran is ONE year away from getting nuclear weapons since 1996. For almost TWENTY fucking years he has been crying wolf.

      He said in congressional testimony in 2002 that attacking Iraq and topping Saddam would be great for the region. LOL! it only made Iran more powerful.

      Only Neocons love this warmonger. I would kick his ass out of my country.

      Imagine if Dem Congress and Speaker had invited President of France to address congress and criticize Dumbya Bush on the eve of Iraq war. Repugs would have gone nuts and started sedition and treason proceedings against the Dems.

      Fuck off Bibi, don’t come here and try to get us into another war in the middle east.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        where did you cut and paste this from?

        • John Doe

          Aaron Leming just tweeted this.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            lol. glad you have a sense of humor.

          • BearDown100393

            Just waiting for his tweet that Israel does not intend to have Jake Cutler lead its ground forces.

          • Johnnywad

            This just became my favorite post of 2015. Well played sir.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        Your expressed attitude is exactly why and how North Korea now has nuclear weapons. The big difference is that North Korea talks big but never backs anything up. The Iranian Regime talks big as well but does everything they can to back it up, in supporting terrorism, supporting our enemies and basically involving themselves in power grabbing all over the mIddle-east. If they get the bomb they will use it…we as a country, we as the “free” world cannot allow that to happen. It would prove disastrous.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Do you really think Iran would effectively end life on this planet?

          Aside : I don’t think mutually assured destruction will work due to the close interest of various species of EBE which have been disarming nuclear assets all over the world since …-

          {IRISH !!! NOOOOOO!}

          ..but we share trans-dimensional space with them … if we rip the fabric of space-time here then logically we’re ripping it in their –

          {STOP!!}

          … but it’s so plausible … so many servicemen have given testimony … I just …

          (tears begin to well, walks off sheepishly)

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Irish, the Iran is not like the Soviet Union…we won’t have to have a cold war with them and point nukes at each other for 30+ years. Iran is run by Religious Radicals that want to “Wipe Israel from the world” They say it time and time again and unlike N. Korea, this isn’t just lip service for the ears of their citizens…they really want to. If they get the bomb they will. This is not fear mongering or delusional its a real threat…why take the chance and let them get one? It makes zero sense.

      • Scott W.

        Just stop typing. Really, just stop.

        • BerwynBomber

          Right, we would not want differing opinions here, right Scott?

          • Scott W.

            You know what? You’re right. I should have responded better.

            John, I apologize. Telling you to shut up was wrong. Free speech matters.

            Calling PM Netanyahu a war monger? Absurd on its face, and incorrect in every possible way. So that would be me disagreeing. Happy to support my position with facts any time.

            That said, this has all gotten too bizarre for my tastes, mostly due to the point of this particular blog.

            So, I’m out on these particular topics, but sincerely hope y’all have a great day.

          • John Doe

            Bibi was factually and demonstrably wrong on calling for Iraq war in 2003. What excuse do you have for Bibi for supporting Iraq war under false premises?

            Yes, he is a warmonger. He is trying to blow up the deal that US and the West are working their butts off to make happen.

          • John Doe

            And what about Iran is AlWAYS so close to getting nucelar weapons according to Bibi. Always a year or so away from the bomb. Do you still believe that?

            Hasn’t panned out yet. Not even close.

          • Irish Sweetness

            His language does not include the possibility of dialogue, Scott. For the longest time in my own country that is what kept two sides at each other’s throats. Not talking. If one does not wish to talk with the other then progress can never be made, ergo if one says they will not talk, then one is making a conscious decision to go to war. But once the channels open and dialogue takes place … then that is the path to peace … it works.

          • Scott W.

            I agree without reservation, dialogue has got to happen. I don’t have to change my sentiments an iota to be side by side with you on that Irish.
            My belief is that Israel has been persecuted since it became a country. The history of the nation is rife with enemies.
            My contention is that it has a right to defend itself from those who would seek its destruction, which Iran openly pines for. I’d love to see Iran invite Israel to peace talks, but that’s unlikely, to say the least.
            I know he’s a hawk, but I believe, strongly, that his enemies have created the atmosphere of war.
            I pray for peace, but fear it’s unattainable in the Middle East.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Tongue in cheek there, Trac? Really? Four things bothered me about that speech.

      1. It was plain wholesome racist. Dark Evil of Islam? Try saying that about Christianity or Judaism and stay trendy.

      2. He comes into El Presidente’s backyard and pulls his pants down .. to standing O’s from Democrats?

      3. He says they’re not going to stand for genocide anymore … whilst simultaneously committing apartheid in Palestine.

      4. He’s worried about Iran going nuclear ? You’ve got nuclear weapons, you fuck, you got them from America! Think Iranians aren’t worried about that? Nobody has the right to defend themselves but you and America?

      • Trac

        I really respect you Irish but on this topic there is an ocean of difference of perspective dividing us. Iran’s rhetoric is horrible to say the least and their propaganda would make Hitler proud. That is the issue. On apartheid, there is no comparison to what took place in Suid Afrika and it was safer for the blacks back then than it is for a black 10 year old girl now. It’s a sad sad story the world has ignored because its not politically profitable to expose. The liberation of South Africa is a big fat lie for it has less of a future now than it has ever had.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    I liked Netanuahu’s Speech yesterday. Straight and to the point about Iran and how it cannot be trusted.
    Nothing we didn’t already know. We need to have a regime change in Iran. Anything less and they will get the bomb the way things are going…worse, they just about crazy enough to end up using it.

    We need a new thread and a new topic.

    • John Doe

      Iran is not even close to making a nuclear bomb.

      Iran is getting nuclear weapon is the favorite boogeman for Israel (the only country with nuclear weapons in the middle east, by the way), neocons and the military industry complex that needs taxpayer dollars to keep getting rich off the war machine.

      When Pakistan got its first nuclear bomb, they said it is not Pakistan’s bomb but it is an Islamic bomb. Pakistan now has more than 25 nuclear weapons and the world has learned to live with it.

      If Iran really wanted nuclear weapons, Pakistan will be more than happy to give them one.

      • willbest

        False, everybody is close to making a nuclear bomb. What Iran isn’t close to is an effective delivery system which is quite a bit more complicated than the bomb itself. And no, Pakistan wouldn’t

      • Bears-4-Ever

        Comparing Pakistan to Iran is like comparing Lassie to a rabid pitbull.
        If Iran got the bomb I have no doubt they would use it on Israel or pass one to a fanatical terrorist that would. This could very possibly spark WWIII, since the west would put blame on Iran and there would be a very good chance Russia would side with Iran in such a conflict. I’d rather just not let Iran have the bomb…safer for everyone.

        • Irish Sweetness

          It’ll be the shortest war in history if it does. God – or aliens – forbid.

          Those things that went off over Japan were bottle-rockets in comparison to the shit they can do now.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Remember when Condoleeza Rice showed the world a bunch of 12 year-old French intelligence photos and said “Look! Iraq has gone nuclear !” .. .and then she got promoted to Secretary of State for telling such a huge porcupine ?

    • BearDown100393

      A regime change occurred in Iraq. How is that working out right now? The politics of the Middle East at its truest core has remained unchanged since the Crusades.

      • John Doe

        Dick Cheney said “We would be greeted as liberators in Iraq” Ha!

        Bibi said “Getting rid of Saddam would be positive for the region”. Ha! it sure was positive for Iran. Iran today has more influence in Iraq through Iraq’s shia-led government.

        So wrong, so many times.

        More than 4000 american soldiers died in Iraq. For nothing. Thousands of american soldiers maimed and their lives changed forever. For nothing. A trillion dollar spent in Iraq. for nothing. Billions more will be spent in lifelong care of Iraq veterans. For nothing.

        Iraq is a bigger mess today than it was in 2003.

        Now let’s get ready for another war with Iran!! Yay!!

        • BerwynBomber

          Not to mention the number of Iraqi civilians who were killed.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Always gets me when Fox news has one of those botoxed bimbos looking all weepy when they mention how many troops were killed … without even a mention of the quarter of a million innocent local people that also got killed, not to mention every single person in Iraq whose lives were irretrievably fucked.

            It was so simple. When they ‘liberated’ Iraq, all they had to do was give the Iraqi soldiers their jobs back – “here, build and protect your country again”. Instead? “You’re out of a job. Fuck you. Be an insurgent.”

            Unemployment’s a bitch.

      • willbest

        The problem with Iraq isn’t the regime change. The problem with Iraq was the nation building after the fact. There seems to be this misguided notion that because we could rebuild homogenous countries like Japan that we could do the same for something like Iraq, which has 3 main factions and then dozens of smaller ones. Its a country that wouldn’t have existed but for the British and we seem hellbent on extending that lunacy.

        • John Doe

          Only a dictator like Saddam could hold that crazy concept of country called Iraq together. A Sunni dictator who ruled a Shia majority country with brute force.
          If and when Shia came to power, they were bound to exact their revenge on the Sunnis. And throw the entire region in a mess.

          Poppy Bush knew this 1991. Even Dick Cheney knew this and said the exact same thing as reason for not going into Iraq after Kuwait war.

          But Son Bush got talked into it.

          We americans are so ignorant about a part of the world that has 2,000 plus years of history, tribalism, conflicts, grudges, and disputes.

          Alexander the Great failed to tame Afghanistan, the Brits failed to tame Afghanistan, the Soviets failed to tame Afghanistan, and now Americans have spent their blood and treasure for 14 years without changing anything significant in Afghanistan.

          But let’s get into another land war in Middle East/Asia. Let’s keep burning through trillions.

          • BearDown100393

            Rambo fought with the Taliban. And was considered a “freedom fighter”.

        • BearDown100393

          Good points. Also add in that you cannot withdraw and leave a new regime in its infancy stage and expect anything but collapse.

          • Irish Sweetness

            They never withdrew though. Another Obama lie. It’s common knowledge now that there was never an exit strategy. The US of A doesn’t do exits, which is why the military have installations in 135 countries and counting.

            I was talking to a guy who did his PhD on the Roman empire – he said it fell because of its standing armies. There’s a reason the country is in a 17 trillion dollar hole. If you want to rule the world, then step one is printing your own money, and not letting those fuckers down the Fed print it, and create deposit accounts out of thin air.

    • Bender McLugh

      classic blunder, for certain

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Iran is superior type ‘people’. Hating on Iran is like hating on Poland. You have to be a moron in order to do that.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        “Hating on Iran’s people” is not the same as “Hating on Iran’s Regime”. The Iranian people have no say on what their govt. regime leaders are doing. If you think otherwise than you are naive. If anyone in Iran speaks out against their Leaders they disappear. (Also see China and N.Korea for further examples.)

        • Irish Sweetness

          But that’s not what happens when guys like Netanyahu go on TV talking about “evil”. Look at Muslims, listen to the language used on U.S. media channels. They brand all Muslims with the same brush as the dumb idiots that join ISIS … when 99.9 % of them are peaceful people … now it’s Iran … next it’ll be Venezuela …

          The Yellow Menace? The Chinese are some of the nicest, most peaceful people on Earth! They’ve never fucked with anybody. Supplied a few planes to the Vietcong/Koreans? Who can blame them? What nation would not protect themselves from another nation that makes no bones about its hatred for them?

          Manufacturing consent, indeed.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I’m no expert, but didn’t they elected a moderate ‘leader’ in the place of the ‘extremist’ one last year ?

          I mean…sure the religious decision makers have a huge power. Fucking USA Regime made it possible a long time ago.

          I mean… I think the people have the power, not any regime. It’s just not obvious and it’s a process.

          Iran’s ‘process’ is in the hands of the Iranian people, who are quality, smart people. So…they’ll get it done. Even in front of Anti-Iran propaganda, that actually damages the good people that want to change for the better.

          It’s a simple thing to comprehend: when USA Regime attacks IRAN’s Regime the extremists in Iran grow stronger. It’s hugely contra-productive…. if the objective are the ‘peaceful’ relations with that nation and that region. Which I doubt is the objective.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Iran’s people have zero control of what the Iranian Govt. does. They are lead by radical religious leaders who overthrew the Shah of Iran in the 70s. They traded a tyrant for a group of worse tyrants. A lot of those rebels who overthrew the Shah had no idea that the Ayatollah would actually be worse until it was too late. Iran is NOT like Poland or any other country that the people actually have a say in what’s going on. I do feel sorry for the Iranian people but when you are living under a regime that will execute you if you speak out it is very tough to overthrow your leaders. Fear is a powerful ally for any dictator. Iran supporting terrorists is not just made up propaganda, it’s the truth.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            USA Regime overthrew the Shah of Iran in the 70s and put in those tyrants.

            Not the Iranian people. They just wanted progress and change. Which is my point. Their collective intelligence is a great deal. They’re not a comatose type of population.

            You want proof ? They elected the moderate, open minded leader instead of the extremist last time around.

            Look… USA Regime is supporting terrorists from a long time ago. Much longer time than Iran is. Iran is a novice from that stand point. USA Regime does what you say Iran Regime does.

            My thinking is that I’m not bashing USA with ‘you do it also’ hate-thinking. My point is there’s almost no difference between the power American people have to that the Iranian people do. They’re both very powerful people.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Barb you are just flat out wrong on all counts, mostly historically.

            The Shah was backed by the U.S.

            You truly think the Iranian Elections are legitimate in their totalitarian run government? Do you also think the Russian Elections are legitimate as well? What about the N. Korean Elections?

            Please list the “Terrorist Organizations” the US are currently supporting or have supported in the past.

            Maybe you should live in the U.S. for a while to understand how our country works and how we are so very different from Iran.

            But that’s OK you can say what you want, if you were in the US, it would be your law given right, if you were in Iran…ummm not so much.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            List the “Terrorist Organizations” the US are currently supporting or have supported in the past ?

            What is this ? A joke ? It’s common knowledge they supported the talibans. They’ve supported them in Libia or some shit. Come on, man. All over the world.

            Regarding the elections… I don’t care about them. Bottom line…the conservator open minded won. Which is more than I can say about the War hungry US the past decade.

            I’ve never talked about the US. I’m talking about US Regime. There’s a big, huge difference.

            Frankly I see little difference between the powerful groups that command Iran and the one that commands the USA.

            I mean, the biggest leaders in US history have been assassinated. (JFK, Luther King, Lincoln). I’m talking about those motherfuckers. It wasn’t the ‘people’ that did it.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            “They’ve supported them in Libia or some shit. Come on, man. All over the world.”

            Oh I See…thanks for clearing that up with facts and a good list. Whew! You’re replies are indeed stunning.

            “(JFK, Luther King, Lincoln). I’m talking about those motherfuckers.”

            Of course! The very motherfuckers that most of the American people see as heroes.

            “Against the shah or backing-helping the shah…it’s the same fucking thing.
            Keep your business to yourself.”

            Thanks Barb…I’m sorry you hate America. I’ll start keeping my business to myself immediately.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You’ve wrongly interpreted my post in all these ‘responses’.

            When that happens it’s clearly my fault. I wasn’t clear at all in expressing my concepts. To my excuse I was in a hurry as guests were arriving.

            – “In Libia or some shit”. When ‘rebels’ attacked Ghedaffy US Regime actively supported them. They’re now helping Syria Rebets, helped KLA in Yougoslavia.
            I see you stood out of the ‘taliban’ example. Does that mean you’re on board with my statement ?

            – I said JFK, Luther King, Lincoln were the biggest leaders in US history.
            They were all shot dead, by ‘powerful entities that control US’ and aren’t much better that the ‘religious powers of Iran’.

            So…when I said ‘I’m talking about those motherfuckers’ I meant those motherfuckers. The people that killed those ‘heroes’, which for me are special men, killed because they were special.

            – “Against the shah or backing-helping the shah…it’s the same fucking thing. Keep your business to yourself.”

            ‘Keep your business to yourself’ wasn’t something directed to you Bears-4-Ever. It was a continuation and conclusion of the previous statement.

            The sense was this… the fact that US Regime was an actor in bringing the Shah to power and supporting him in his ruling, it means it has faults in the Islamic Revolution that happened in 1979.

            It’s the same thing that happened with Saddam 10 years later. And where is Iraq today with that ISIS insanity ?

            Follow me… first US Regime puts the Shah in power -> Islamic Extremists regain power in Iran -> US Regime supports Saddam’s Iraq against Religious Iran->US Regime supports Afgan talibans against the Russians-> US Regime attacks Saddam’s Iraq who got rogue in Kuwait-> Al Qaeda attacks US- > US Regime attacks Saddam’s Iraq -> US Regime attacks the Afgan talibans -> Islamic Iran helps the talibans -> US regime gets out of Iraq -> ISIS takes over Iraq and wants s to take over/be a major player the in whole Middle East.

            This is a very, very, very general reconstruction. There are numerous other involvements, conflicts and wars in the area where US Regime was an active player.

            To finish… when I said “Against the shah or backing-helping the shah…it’s the same fucking thing” I meant this. Any action has a reaction and that reaction has another reaction and so on and on and on. You might know it as “blowback”

            In that context I said “Keep your business to yourself”. Not to you Bear friend !!! As a principle. If a nation/regime doesn’t want to be responsible for the Extremist Iran or the ISIS actions in Iraq you should ‘keep your business to yourself’. That was the sense.

            US Regime obviously is an active player. Very active. One main principle it has is ‘the enemies of my enemies are my friends”. That muds you… and makes you support ‘terrorist organizations’ and dictators who you end up fighting.

            PS: I hope I was much more exact this time in my writing.

            PS2: You want to understand the “blowback” game ?
            Read the first 2 paragraphs of this.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

            So Iran has a democratically elected Prime Minister.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh
            The country is hugely undeveloped. He tries to do some important shit for the people.

            He also wants to do the nationalisation of the Iranian oil industry, which had been under British control (no…it’s not Cuba, it’s Iran… see ?).

            US-UK regimes bring him down, put in the Shah in. Who’s going to dethrone the Shah supported by US-UK Regime? Of course it’s going to an extremist group !!! There’s no place for ‘moderates’ at that level. They aren’t violent enough.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Well yes that is much better. I think I understand where you are coming from now. Thanks for the update.

            Though, I will say in conclusion to my part in this debate, the U.S. indeed does meddle in many things with solely it’s own interests in mind, but so does every other nation on this planet.

            However, the U.S. does indeed give it’s citizens much more freedom to do what they want on a bigger level and scale than any other nation on earth. It’s not just talk, it’s true. No one is totally free, there must be laws. However, Nations ruled by dictators and totalitarian regimes, Like Iran, do not allow their citizens the same, not even close. that is the sole reason why so many people from all over this planet want to come and live here. Because they can get no better opportunities ANYWHERE ELSE.

            The U.S. has many faults, but it’s still the greatest country so far to ever exist on this little blue orb. I wake up every damn day and thank God, I was born in America.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I’m glad I managed to get my thoughts across in a much more clear manner. I mean I did a poor job before… made you understand I thought JFK, King and Lincoln were a bunch of motherfuckers and tell you to fucking mind your own business. And I meat the exact opposite.

            I understand the idea of every nation following their own interests. But, I think, you as a citizen (not you per se, you in general) of that nation can’t give advice and criticism to the citizens of Iran for example.

            I mean your country had a direct involvement in the becoming victims of an extremist, religious regime. The citizens of Iran are victims. Victims of being caught between the greed of US-UK Regimes and the Extremist side of that region. The polish people are the same… Poland is in the middle of Germany and the Russians. Imagine that fucked up destiny.

            And you can’t be arrogant about their lack of freedom and election power. The last time they had that or at least were very close on having it, it was the Powers in your country that organized a coup d’etat, put in their puppet, until he got sent packing. Then US Regime employed Saddam, who went mass killing rogue, who then was thrown out, leaving Iraq opened for…you guessed it… a much worse type of extremist.

            This scenario happened many, many times. In many, many regions of earth. On all continents.

            PS: People go to the USA because it’s a hugely rich country, based on an democratic system.

            That being said there are superior countries and systems. Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, France, Danmark, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Holland, Belgium, Japan,…

            People in that countries live much better than people in the US. Without the drama, wars and the moral questions.

            My personal opinion is that the USA indeed had a chance to be the best country in the world, but it blew it. US Regime killed the big time leaders who would have made a difference, as I said before.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Barb, all the countries you mention follow a Socialist style of democracy. The U.S. Doesn’t, even though Obama’s administration is trying hard to make the U.S. one. But Socialism is not better than a Republic based on Free Enterprise and open markets. I strongly disagree that I as a free person can live a better life in any of your mentioned countries than in the USA. I know because I’ve been to several countries you list.

            If I had to pick just one out of your list I’d pick New Zealand…only for it’s sheer beauty and Isolation. 🙂

            Thank you for your clarifications…I must agree to disagree with your points, But I have enjoyed our debate.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You know what a Socialist style of democracy means ? More power to the people. You know how they ended up with a similar type of systems ? The others have been sided in time. It’s not a political issue, it’s a social issue. Just like US now does… see Obama.

            PS: Sure. It was a quality discussion where nobody tried to convince the other one.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Against the shah or backing-helping the shah…it’s the same fucking thing.
            Keep your business to yourself.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis
  • Sactowns#1

    6 days till free agency begins and we can stop trying to predict an unknowable future.
    BTW guys- just wanted to remind you all that the Ebola outbreak/ biblical plague some were predicting never came to fruition. Can we all agree to stop being so scared?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      no the sky is falling we are all doomed, if its not Ebola it will be bird flu or swine flu or mad cow or measles, anyway you look at it we are doomed. BTW, it will most likely be caused by Jay Cutler not vaccinating his kids.

      • willbest

        Oddly enough there have been measles outbreaks in the Chicago suburbs, so maybe it was his kids. But then I don’t think the family spends much, if any of the off-season in Chicago.

        • Scott W.

          They are all in Tennessee. My daughter and son in law bump into Jay now and then in restaurants, etc. Their house is in the area he’s looking to move permanently.

          • CanadaBear

            Your daughter and son-in-law must be doing well. Good on ’em! Hope they keep their distance from Cutler’s kids. Hard to imagine someone would take the word of Jenny McCarthy over the overwhelming evidence of vaccinations.

          • Scott W.

            Thanks man, they are. But like my daughter said, “Well, there goes the neighborhood! “

          • willbest

            I like how you place the blame for a movement that has been around for as long as vaccines have been on a woman that was hot 20 years ago. Its good you have a symbol for your hatred I suppose.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And with the number two pick, the Chicago Bears select … Leonard Williams.”

            Happiness is ….

          • Scott W.

            …the dream.

          • Scott W.

            And by the way, how are you doing?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll give you a laugh.
            I’m sitting in the tax office with my semi-estranged mother-of-my-children that I still live with. We’re trying to get some kind of tax break because I’m supporting two kids, herself yada yada. The guy tots up everything on his calculator and goes ‘2300’. I’m rubbing my hands gleefully. He looks at me quizzically and says ‘No, you owe US … 2300’

            I’m like ‘WTF? I owe YOU ? I pay for HER …. my two kids … God gimme a break here’ – I’m pointing at the kid’s birth certs with my name on them. He goes “you’re not married … nothing I can do.”

            So I look at her and go “y’know I could pay less tax if we were married … and the twins wouldn’t be bastards, so how about it?”
            She shrugs, ‘yeah, whatever’.

            And that was it, the least romantic marriage proposal ever … in a tax-office.

          • Scott W.

            Man, in a blink…wow Irish! That’s a movie. Damn man.

          • Scott W.

            …..but hey, CONGRATULATIONS on your new tax haven! And yes, your marriage too. Absolutely. Thanks for the wake up.

        • BearDown100393

          Jake likes to drop off used blankets at daycare centers in his spare time.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Well played!

      • Bears-4-Ever

        Who needs Ebola. All it would take is one good sized Asteroid, doesn’t really need to hit anywhere specific if the size is right.

        Holee cow that’s it!

        Iran wants the bomb so it can shoot down planet threatening asteroids! DUH!

        • Irish Sweetness

          We/you are about to land on the asteroid Vesta.

          Why spend billions of dollars doing that? And the billions of dollars that were spent landing Rosetta/Philae on Comet 69P after a ten year mission …which sent back a few photoshopped pictures before ‘technical problems’ prevented anymore from being sent back …?

          {NOOO!}

          … but …..

          {NOOOOO!}

          (slowly puts on jacket and leaves, audibly sniffling)

      • El Cutlero…

    • CanadaBear

      I can’t remember the figures but in Canada you are more likely to get killed by a moose than a terrorist. Politicians and the media love to try and scare everyone. Good for business.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        Moose are evil evil creatures and the spawn of Satan, placed on this world to spread his word. I am pretty sure they also have ties to several terrorist organizations.

        • CanadaBear

          Not to mention they taste fantastic!

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            only good moose is a dead moose.

      • Sactowns#1

        Oh man the military industrial complex in America is trying their hardest to convince us to go to war yet again. This time it’s the ISIS boogyman who is coming for you!!! Be afraid!!

        • John Doe

          Simple slogans always works on the rubes.. “fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here”.

          Boom! so simple, so easy to understand.

          • Not to mention that’s exactly what ISIS wants. They’re doing all this to provoke the U.S.. They’re trying their damndest to incite a war between the U.S. and the Billion or so Muslims.

            Or at the very least, they’re trying to “Reagan” us.
            That is to say, draw us into a “war” in which we’ll spend billions, and they spend goats.

            Some argue that’s was Reagan (and other’s strategy). To outspend the Soviet Union until they went totally broke and collapsed internally.

            Naturally, it doesn’t help that Halaburton and other warmongering corporations actively try to sway the powers to begin wars whenever possible to profit.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Simple slogans thought up by very highly-paid neo-con think-tanks. My favorite one was the Project for the New American Century.

            “Conspiracy theorist”.

            I don’t know how much that one cost the American tax-payer, but it was extremely effective in dis-enfranchising anyone who had the audacity to reason things out. Those are some un-American, crazy, dangerous people.

            There’s a prize for anyone who can find mention of “Conspiracy theorists” prior to 1997.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      ‘Ebola’ is a hell of a nickname though.

      Some time ago we were stuck with a large batch of poor/crappy serbian weed and we called it Ebola.

      • Irish Sweetness

        As teens we used to sit around looking at this ‘Black Moroccan” hashish and wondering how many months some Moroccan farmer had been pissing onto our hash for.

        More ‘industrial’ stories please, Barb.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I don’t have many like that one . We were the sell 5 grams to acquaintances in order to smoke for free type.
          That story happened because the dealer of our dealer/friend went to jail and we acted as a storage unit for a couple of months. When the heat passed the ex hoe, much elder wife of the jailed dealer wanted it back.

    • SC Dave

      The only thing that scares me is Homeland Security.

      • Irish Sweetness

        IRS? Blackwater? I don’t think it’s over-stepping the mark saying that America now is very similar to Germany circa early 1930s. Post 9/11 with the executive orders, Patriot Act/Homeland, all the freedoms done away with. These are frightening times, in America.

  • BearDown100393

    “End Cutler Conversation” Apparently the radio dial has now changed to global politics centering upon the Middle East and nuclear annihilation. And oddly, the banter is more civil in comparison.

    • Bender McLugh

      HA.

    • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

      The deck of cards of the Cutler issue:
      You are the Ahmadinejad of the Cutler conversation
      John Doe is ISIS
      Berwyn Bomber is kind of like Saudi Arabia (sometimes fanatical sometimes not)
      wreckinball is some shitty splinter group Al Qaeda offshoot from Somalia
      All of you are trolls, all of you seem to be the same fucking guy, all of you have made this blog intolerable. See you pussies in a couple of months.

      • BerwynBomber

        Don’t despair. Your pinup boy will probably be back next year. See you in May.

      • BearDown100393

        And you are the mentally challenged manchild from North Korea bitching about everything and everyone. Ignored by all except for Rodman.

      • CanadaBear

        Hey Johnny, hold the door. I’m going with you.

        • BerwynBomber

          I figured you would run to Waffle as soon as he showed up. Funny.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 4m4 minutes ago
    Even IF Hartline signs, I can 100% guarantee they don’t see him as Marshall’s replacement. Lets not get carried away with assumptions #Bears

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      NO SHIT!!!!!

    • EnderWiggin

      Its weird that the dude’s name is Leming.
      Back when I had my 286 PC I played this game called “Lemmings”. The purpose of this game was to make all of the little Lemming guys follow each other to their death on every level.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmings_%28video_game%29

      • That sounds like quite possibly the single worst game ever made.

        • Johnnywad

          Definitely not as good as Leisure Suit Larry

      • SC Dave

        I’m not going to follow John Doe’s twitter alter ego,regardless of the amount of retarded stuff that comes from that feed.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Awesome game. So addictive. Loved it.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Not as addictive as WoT though. I play that everyday like it was the first day.

          World of Warships is out now too, heard nothing bad about it, looks cool.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I don’t get that thinking. Maybe is the sense they might want 2 $5M WRs instead of a $10M WR.

      Hartile added to the Bears WR corp right now has no sense. He’s too expensive as a 3rd-4th guy on a running/pass balanced team.

      • willbest

        It could mean there is a potential trade partner for Marshall and Pace is evaluating potential replacements vs. say drafting cooper.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          That’s stupid. Basically you gain nothing from a quality stand point.

          They have to draft a pass rusher. The high pick and roster needs asks for an OLB/pass rusher.

          • willbest

            huh? You trade Marshall for a 2nd rounder. That frees up $7 million of cap (or whatever) and then sign Hartline for 4-5 million. So you have an extra 2nd rounder whatever extra money to pick up some other FA

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            A 2nd rounder for Marshall ? That is wishful thinking. It’s impossible.

            Yeah…I get it… you gain some cap space, but the Bears already have a lot of cap space, so that’s a secondary need.

          • willbest

            Well they don’t if they are going after Suh. And yeah I wasn’t thinking. Nobody parts with 2nd rounders for anything other than QBs anymore. But whatever picks you get.

            And no need to apologize. I don’t take people’s posts personally. Grading on an internet curve I didn’t even find anything remotely uncivilized about it as you didn’t cuss, nor did you insult my lineage, sexuality, spirituality or liken me to a quadruped

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The Bears ? Oh…no. The Bears aren’t going after Suh. I personally don’t want them to and I believe it will not happen.

            PS:I know… I still wanted to say it.

            When we’re talking ball any form of insult or unrespectful language should be put aside. Mine was inadvertent, but still needed to be addressed. I was at fault.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fuck me. Apology sighting !!

            Way to go Barb. The force is with you.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I hate people that go personal when we’re talking real ball. Using world like ‘stupid’ gets you into personal in a heartbeat.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Somebody kidnapped Barb.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You trade Forte for a second-rounder, not the passing game.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hey! We’re talking about Lemmings, and world peace, and aliens defusing atomic weapons here !

  • GPLDAN

    Matt Cassel sucks. That is all.

    Why the White Hot Cassel hate, Blogfadder? (get it?)

    • BerwynBomber

      Btw, one less trading partner for Cutty. Cross off Browns and Bills from an a shrinking list.
      Bills, it appears, are going with the same template as last year: older backup journeyman and EJ Manuel.

      • John Doe

        Bills were never going to be a trading partner for Cutler after Kromer landed their as OC. Kromer would make sure of that.

        • BerwynBomber

          Ah, that’s right. Forgot about that little fact.

          • GPLDAN

            Talk about sending Jay to hell.

          • BearDown100393

            Fairly certain Josh McDaniels would have to be HC to complete Jake’s Inferno.

        • John Doe

          meant OL coach.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Titans are the only girl at the dance I want to mess with.

  • BerwynBomber

    Interesting synopsis of what is going on with the Iggles and Chip Kelly. Since last off-season Philly has released or traded the following big-salaried players:

    Desean Jackson
    Trent Cole
    Todd Herremans
    Cary Williams
    LeSean McCoy

    Philly has nearly $50M in cap space now. Gotta give their management and Kelly credit for one thing: their plan is seemingly not one of half-measures.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/10731/with-lesean-mccoy-deal-its-kellys-team

    • John Doe

      Some lucky team is going to get boat load of picks from Chip Kelly for Mariota. He is basically re-creating Oregon Ducks in Philly. Wonder what he is willing to offer for Kyle Long..

      Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 16h16 hours ago

      Kiko Alonso will be 9th player from Oregon on Eagles’ roster, and all 9 played under Chip Kelly at some point during their college careers.

      • BerwynBomber

        My bet is TENN will win the sweepstakes if Lovie, indeed, plans to select Winston.

        • John Doe

          May be TENN can then use some of the spoils from Chip Kelly trade and trade for Cutler. They still need a QB.

          One can hope.

        • Will there be a bidding war for Marriota at #2?
          Jets pick at #6. If they get into that bid, the Eagles will have to give a shit load to land that spot.

          I still have a sneaking suspicion that Marriota will fall.

          He SHOULD fall. IMO, he’s barely a 1st round pick because of his utter lack of running an NFL style playbook, and lack of accuracy on real routes.

          But the NFL wasteland at QBs will push him up.

          • BerwynBomber

            Call me crazy … I think he may pan out. But he is definitely raw and the red flags are numerous.

          • willbest

            I don’t have a problem with a team drafting him in the top 10. I just can’t fathom anybody believing that much that they are going to give up three 1st rounders and change for him. And yes that is what the Eagles will have to pay because they are sitting at 20th and not 6th-10th

          • BerwynBomber

            BUT … with the Iggles he can play in a system that is very similar to the one he commanded in college. Fewer red flags than if he is drafted by a non-spread team.

          • John Doe

            Agree with this. Mariota is most valuable to Eagles. If I am Chip Kelly, I would call Jets bluff to pick Mariota at #6 and let him keep falling.

            Jets will go for a top pass rusher over Mariota, IMO.

          • I think he’ll have a chance with the Eagles or a team that will not try to convert him into Peyton.

            But if he lands with the Jets, I think he bombs.

    • Aggressive, that’s for sure. And Kelly seems to have borrowed his pal Bill’s unsentimentalIty

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Yeah… they’re fucked if the don’t have success this season.

      Lets just say the Eagles fans surely are not of half measures.

  • Jack Lacan

    The Bears should get some money from the DuPont Foxcatcher dudes.

    • GPLDAN

      There’s that line where Steve Carell as John Dupont says “you can call me Eagle, or Golden Eagle. But most people call me John.” that is simply SO creepy it gives me chills.

      • Jack Lacan

        That entire film freaked me out. It is a horror film for sure.
        Steve Carell is more than frightening…

      • Irish Sweetness

        “Did your horse jump over the thing …. MOTHERRRR !!!

        The creepiest scene was where his mother gets wheeled into the wrestling room and he suddenly starts acting like their coach. Carell might be like Robin Williams, you don’t really get them until they start acting in serious roles. I was not expecting that from either Carell or Tatum.

  • John Doe

    Bears Insider @bears_insider · 6m6 minutes ago
    Per @mattbarrows, the 49ers are shopping linebacker Michael Wilhoite, who started 16 games last year for current Bears DC Vic Fangio.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      And played at a decent level. He was coached by a guy that’s been thrown out of the NFL. Fucking NFL !

      He’s a reserve/ST type of player. It’s an option for the Bears only as a cheap depth option.

      • and definitely not worth a trade. Wait for them to cut him. Then he’s a perfect 4th ILB/STer.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Sure. I’d open a discussion, though. Just to build a bridge and see if I can land Patrick Willis.

          Armand Brooks is another ‘bridge’ guy like that. He has an awful contract from the 49ers point of view.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Great news, guys. Letroy Guion has agreed to a deferred prosecution agreement that would result in probation.

    He was clearly not doing criminal activities. He was simply caught with his offseason stash of money and weed. I would have been fairly affected if he would have suffered important life changing damage.

    • BerwynBomber

      Would not be shocked if the Cheese worked out a new deal with Guion. They liked how he helped plug the hole left by Raji’s injury and his off-field stuff might keep his price low.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        It might. Usually a re-sing happens in these situations. Other clubs are fearful of the ‘risk’.

  • GPLDAN
    • BearDown100393

      In other related news, the Anti-Vaccination League requests the Cutlers make no more statements on behalf of its purpose as it can no longer handle the negative attention…

    • John Doe

      By end of next Wednesday, we will know if Pace and Fox are ready to make 2 year committment to Jake Cutler. If he is here on March 12, his $10 million for 2016 is guaranteed and then we know he is here for 2015 and 2016.

      Now a head coach and a GM typically get 4 year deal with evaluation of how they are doing coming at 2 years ( do they deserve to be fired type of evaluation).

      Would Pace and Fox want 2 of their 4 years with a guy like Cutler as their QB and have all the inconsistent play, the drama associated with him? That is the decision.

      • willbest

        Not really, Cutler would be really easy to trade this time next year, as long as he is healthy. He is what he is, one year isn’t going to change that. So anybody trading for him next year gets him rather cheap with only a 1 year commitment. And don’t even start with he isn’t worth 16 million, that is what Alex Smith, Andy Dalton, and Carson Palmer are getting.

        • BerwynBomber

          Andy Dalton and Jay Cutler are basically the same QB in terms of production. But in terms of salary Dalton’s was 17M guaranteed and Jay’s was 54M guaranteed (of which 32M remains).

          So stop with Andy Dalton/Jay Cutler contract comparisons. They are not in the same zip code.

          • Guess what? Much of that guaranteed money is already paid for Cutler. His contract is 100% in line with the league-wide spectrum of QBs.

            http://dabearsbeat.com/2015/03/04/accurately-framing-jay-cutlers-contract/

          • and as for Dalton, he was way worse than Cutler last year despite being in a much better situation (coach who isn’t a worthless piece of crap, good OL, strong run game, strong D). Yet despite his low “guaranteed” money, he’s still gonna get every penny from his contract in 2015.

          • BerwynBomber

            Cutler had Forte, Bennett, Alshon and Marshall. Can we for once stop with the excuses for Jay Cutler?

            Their career QRs are very close but a) Dalton is younger, and b) he has been to the playoffs more. Advantage Dalton.

            In terms of last year, Dalton had a better QBR than Cutty while Cutty had a better QR. Basically, they were a wash overall.

          • My point with a bad situation is that no team in the NFL was as toxic as the Bears last year. The entire thing was a clusterfuck.

          • BerwynBomber

            Much of it is paid? Well yes, while he was the highest paid player in the entire NFL last year he collected a cool $22.5M.

            But he is still owed over $30M. So yeah, I suppose you could say much of it is paid but also even more of it remains outstanding.

          • Big Mike

            Isn’t the point, however what’s left on the contract, not what the contract was? I think if you do that math, going forward the contracts are more comparable.

      • Irish Sweetness

        T minus 7 days and counting …..

        Trade-watch.

      • that’s only really a cut deadline. We already know they’re not cutting him in a league where Matt Cassel can be traded for a draft pick.

        Doesn’t change anything about trading him, though, as anybody trading for him is committing to him for 2015 and 2016 anyway. Ditto for Marshall.

        Which is really unfortunate, because I was SO looking forward to all this crap being over with, one way or another, a week from now. And then somebody pointed that fact out and I was sad.

        • John Doe

          They are going to move Cutler one way or another. I say this because the longer the do not public announce support for him, the higher the chances of him not returning.

          If you remember Marc Trestman started voluntary offseason program on April 2 in 2013 when he was the new head coach of the Bears. This year teams with new head coaches can begin on April 6.

          But John Fox has scheduled first voluntary offseason program the week of the draft. In fact that program will wrap just hours before the draft begins. April 28-30 is the first time John Fox will see the team on the field. Doesn’t look like move of a coach eager to get working with the existing QB and start getting him working on the playbook.

      • Big Mike

        I’d argue it means that he is more attractive as trade bait next year. He couldn’t suck as much next year as he did last year, he’ll cost less.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We have a part to play in all of this. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to assume that this little blog right here acts a a germ to things like this. Angelo being tossed, Cutty being tossed/traded.

      Little seeds get planted in the blogosphere, and big fuck-off trees spring up in their place.

  • John Doe

    John Clayton ESPN reports that Bears could move up for Mariota.

    Cutler + #7 + may be something more to Titans to jump to #2 for Mariota.

    Silvy @WaddleandSilvy · 3h3 hours ago

    Are the #Bears interested in Mariota? @SalPal_ESPN thinks so. We talk to @ClaytonESPN about it now. #NFL

    http://sportsmockery.com/2015/03/nfl-insider-can-see-bears-moving-up-for-marcus-mariota/

    • BerwynBomber

      Even IF we are, Philly will out bid us, probably to the relief of 90% of DBBers.

      • John Doe

        Might be moot if Wisenhunt wants Cutler. Cutler fits the mold of QB he is looking. And he is already into 2nd year as head coach and needs a QB who is more experienced than Mettenberger.

        Plus, I still think it will be very hard and very costly for Eagles to move from #20 to all the way to #2. Bears have advantage with #7.

        • BerwynBomber

          Would be ideal for Cutty too. He and his family love Nashville. But again, believe it when I see it. I’m not even sure they’ll move Marshall and he is much better odds to go than Jay.

        • As long as they throw in Mettenberg to compete. That would be a good stable. Marotta, metteberg, fales.

          3 tries. May tge best man will ala Pete Carroll.

          If they’re all pretty good, trade bait.

    • BearDown100393

      Leming: Rumor persists GM Pace and his Delorean will bring 1979 Joe Montana back to the future in time for 2015 NFL draft.

    • Trac

      It’s an insult if you think about that for a minute.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      This is why I told you the Bears have little leverage in regards to Cutler.

      For Cutler, the ideal situation is to get cut. That way he can go to the Titans, who don’t need to spend draft picks.

      Or he can stay in Chicago and get paid a lot of money and go to the Titans a year from now.

      That’s why the carrot tactic was the way to go. Make more teams interested in his services in a trade or keep him part of the project if he remains another year in Chicago.

  • Boy, a lot of 9er fan comments vouche for LB Wilhoit. He’s only gonna be 28 too, and pretty cheap.
    Perhaps Bears play it cool and gamble that he’ll get released, but a 7th for him doesn’t seem unreasonable.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/04/report-49ers-offering-lb-michael-wilhoite-in-trade/#comments

  • BerwynBomber

    McCown’s Browns contract linked below for anyone interested. I am still baffled that he was the first UFA QB signed. Only thing I can figure is the mentoring aspect for Manziel. Good luck with that.

    Also not sure about the Bills move to trade for Cassell. Wonder what the pair of unconditional draft picks the Vikes received in return will actually be.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/josh-mccown/

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      McCown has eligible to sign before FA started. So, of course he was the first.

      Matt Cassell isn’t awful. He has started 70 games in the NFL, 60% completions, 96 TD-70 INT.

      His record is 33 W-38 L

      Kyle Orton has 92 games started, 60 % completion, 101 TD-69 INT

      His record is 42 W-40 L.

  • Man, stop talking about Yeldon! I was hoping we can snatch him in the later rounds.

    He kinda reminds me of Gore.

    After watching their college tape, NFL Films’ Greg Cosell came away believing Alabama’s T.J. Yeldon “may” be a better fit as a “true foundation back” in the NFL than Wisconsin’s Melvin Gordon.
    Gordon is a bit of a boom-or-bust runner, while Yeldon is a consistent chain mover with NFL-ready three-down tools. “The guy I really like (is) T.J. Yeldon out of Alabama,” said Cosell. “I think his running style and his mentality is well suited to the NFL. He has a very intuitive feel to attack downhill with conviction, and he has great ability to work effectively between the tackles. He’s very compact in his movement and he gets through small cracks. That is so critical in the NFL for backs, to be able to get through small cracks at the point of attack.” A projected day-two pick, Yeldon has the skill set to play early in the NFL. – roto

    • Irish Sweetness

      Like the sound of him, slips in through the cracks. Would be a good complementary back for Matty. We don’t have an actual backfield. We just have Matt.

  • ch0rn

    Cutler’s an asshole, can’t fix asshole.

    • Big Mike

      Jordan was an asshole too. Don’t need to fix asshole, need to fix his ability.

  • Bender McLugh

    Canada – Spock Dollars
    US – Bill Murray Dollars

    that’s a tie any way ya look at it
    (apologies if this was already posted)

    http://dangerousminds.net/comments/bank_of_canada_urges_star_trek_fans_to_stop_spocking_their_fivers

    • Irish Sweetness

      That’s so cool.

  • LoonSwoon

    One more point to add to your argument about stopping all the Cutler chatter. If the Bears had Cutler instead of Grossman in the Super Bowl, do we think the Colts would have still won? Eli got lucky (like Wilson) by having a great defense. Cutler would most likely have taken the Bears to their second ring. So much for past or future speculations, right?

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