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Three Thoughts on Ray McDonald Situation

| May 26th, 2015

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  • I questioned the social responsibility associated with the Ray McDonald signing at the time the move was made. The Bears displayed none, overlooked a history a sketchy behavior towards women, and gambled on a bad guy not being bad for the year he would spend under contract with the Bears. George McCaskey did not want his organization to make this move. This is why. The reward was not worth the public relations risk.
  • Easy for Kyle Long to Tweet “good riddance” about McDonald after McDonald does what he did. He also Tweeted this when the move was made: “If yall don’t like second chances I can go back to folding t shirts and sticking the shoe room at the surf shop lol.” If you read about McDonald, you’ll realize the Bears didn’t give him a second chance. They gave him a fifth chance.
  • I know a lot of people. None of them have beaten a woman. None. It ain’t that hard to NOT do. McDonald is a bad human who should never be allowed on an NFL field again.

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  • Joecashflow

    The bum is gone. Now we can rebuild with a clean house.

  • Trac

    Assault could mean that McDonald pushed his accuser out of his way in order to leave. We have no details yet and I just get annoyed when people rush to judgement before the facts are released.

    • willbest

      Exactly, its disturbingly easy to get arrested for domestic violence if you are a man. A couple cop buddies say they think the women are lying as high as half the time but politics what they are.

      • False allegations are estimated to make up only 2-6% of DV cases: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/13/false-allegations-rape-domestic-violence-rare

        • Trac

          Again, does it look good? Absolutely not, but there is a difference between a push or a shove to leave and a roundhouse. I’m just calling for more info.

          • honestly, I don’t really care what happened. The guy knew he was on thin ice and still went to this woman’s apartment at 4:00 in the morning. They were loud enough that the police had to be called, which makes 4 times in a year that McDonald has had police called about something he’s done (3 of which involved fights with this woman).

            Sooner or later, stupid is as stupid does. Where there’s smoke there’s fire, and there’s more than enough smoke here for me to flee the building.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Exactly, police always just seem to find him. That doesn’t happen to any of the regular law abiding people I know.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            you must not know a lot of people then.

          • Trac

            Has nothing to do about his actions, my comments have everything to do about the self righteous bigots wanting to draw and quarter him without the facts.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            At some level it doesn’t really matter what he did, why do people always have to call the cops when Ray Ray is around? It’s 4AM, go home Ray, just go home. As someone else mentioned he was probably read the riot act when he signed his deal, the swift movement by the FO seems to indicate a zero tolerance policy. I’m not going to call him a woman beater at this stage of the game, but you can’t deny that he displays poor judgement given the circumstances surrounding this most recent run in with the law and that was enough to get him released.

          • BearDown100393

            Who has called for his execution? Big difference between agreeing with a firing and lynching a suspect.

          • Johnnywad

            Precisely Woody. Even if you are capable of setting aside the moral question of employing him, I’m not, what about the business side? There is no reason to assume McDonald will even be available any given Sunday this fall. He’s a Saturday night arrest just waiting to happen. Its tough to take up a roster spot with a guy likely to miss a game/games because he’s cooling his heels in some county jail. Bad signing to begin with on moral grounds, perhaps just as bad from a business perspective.

        • willbest

          You are comparing prosecutions for false allegations to prosecutions of domestic violence. That is an idiotic benchmark. It presumes that the police/justice departments pursue each category with equal vigor. They do not. The system. mistakenly, believes that physical violence is a greater evil to society than bearing false witness. Two, it is nearly impossible to convict a person for filing a false allegations, due to the difficulty of finding any contradictory evidence.

    • 4x in one year. Where there’s smoke…

  • Viva

    I wonder if McDonald is half Kennedy?

  • “George McCaskey did not want his organization to make this move. ”

    False. McCaskey put his public stamp of approval on it after talking to McDonald. McCaskey comes off looking worse than anybody in this. Flat-out hoodwinked.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    the incident happened at 3:30 in the morning. There was no reason for him to be there, unless he was called or he is just an absolute idiot. I get the argument where there is smoke there is fire, but something does not sound right to me. He had no issues up until the last year. What kind of crazy ass relationship was he in with this woman?

    • BearDown100393

      Obviously a physically abusive one.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        sometimes domestic violence is a 2 way street.

        • BearDown100393

          Yep. Still no excuse.

          • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

            easy for you to say

          • BearDown100393

            If you say so.

  • Big Mike

    Here’s my thinking on this. I believe I am clearly in the minority. If the judicial system has a difficult time adjudicating domestic violence, how is the NFL supposed to? Is the NFL supposed to have an entire judiciary established to deal with alleged criminal behavior. Are we expecting the NFL to try, convict and pass sentence on its employees? At the time the Bears signed McDonald, he was a free man. The Bears gave him a set of conditions and expectations to meet going forward. He failed, they cut him.

    There should be no backtracking of what McCaskey, Pace, Fox, Fangio should have found out. Everyone knew what they were dealing with.

    • BearDown100393

      Sure they knew. They willfully hired a guy who beats women. He was more or less told he would lose his job if he continued to beat women. That was too difficult for him. So he was fired.

      Go Bears!

      • Big Mike

        Who was accused of beating women. He was not convicted. He was not brought to trial. Whether or not I THINK he did this should be irrelevant. It sounds cliche, but “innocent until proven guilty” is not something to screw around with. Yeah scumbags can hide behind it, but that’s a price we pay in the US for our type of judicial system with due process, a jury of peers etc, etc.

        • BearDown100393

          Don’t care. He beats women. He’s fired. Moving on.

          • Big Mike

            Due process is an exceptionally important tenet of our society. It is one of the defining aspects of our society that distinguishes us from 3rd world countries, dictatorships and countries led by religious fanatics. Dismissing the issue, because this guy allegedly beat women, has been arrested again for beating women, doesn’t change his right to due process.

          • BearDown100393

            That applies in court. The Bears are not bound to give Ray McDonald anything. Ray McDonald will get his day in court. Yes, I agree the legal system requires due process. And he will receive it. But that does not apply at all to his employment and consequential firing by the Bears. Nor does it sway my opinion one iota of the wife beater.

          • Big Mike

            I believe the Bears were right to sign him, but equally right to release him.

          • BearDown100393

            I believe the Bears had a right to sign him but disagreed that they should. I agree they have the right to fire him. And since the team did fire him, I see little purpose for those out there admonishing the Bears with the old “I told you so” shtick. Regardless of varying opinion, the fact remains that there is a baby caught in the middle of a very ugly legal situation between the parents.

          • SC Dave

            Many of us had misgivings. I remember you did, and I know I expressed them. To me, the “character” of the organization in which I choose to invest my energy matters. A primary reason why I remain a Spurs fan despite being 21 years removed from San Antonio and never really a basketball fan to begin with.

            I just like is when “nice guys” don’t have to finish last, and in fact, finish first way more than their share.

          • BearDown100393

            I understand the sentiment and quite often the stupid are rewarded in an unjust NFL.

          • Joecashflow

            I guess I gave him the benefit of doubt on hiring because Fangio supported him. Did you guys see the SI article calling for Bears organization sanctions, similar to the Pats? Obviously, women see this differently.

          • Big Mike

            I did see that article and I thought it was ridiculous. Sanctions for exactly what? There is zero basis. No laws, rules or policies were broken. From a legal or even league perspective, the Bears gave a contract to someone who a group of people tried and sentenced in the media. Here are the facts, the first charge against him was dismissed because of a lack of evidence. The second incident was related is an investigation into an alleged possible sexual assault. Here’s the quote “”The victim alleged she was possibly sexually assaulted a day prior,” Here’s the follow up to date “No arrests have been made or charges filed”. McDonald has filed a defamation suit, which he wouldn’t have done unless he knew he’d be exonerated.

            I’m not defending McDonald, but I am defending the Bears decision to offer him a contract, with the terms and conditions that they did.

          • Trac

            This! If I were privy to Rays day to day decisions in life, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t like Ray McDonald the man but that’s a different issue.

          • Big Mike

            I think criticism of the NFL on social/criminal issues is borne of frustration with progress on these issues in the venues that have jurisdiction over them. It’s a slipper slope to the day when someone is falsely accused, blackballed from the league and pandora’s box is opened..

          • BearDown100393

            You will be fired from many jobs if arrested. This is not just a football issue.

          • And how does that help out society?
            Now you got an unemployed pissed off timebomb who might go off or on welfare whereas to before you had a pissed off timebomb that at least paid his taxes, bills, purchases and child support.

            Since when is it the employer’s job to monitor morality?
            Welcome to the U.S. of Defacto Theocracy.

          • BearDown100393

            Oh so the NFL is doing society a favor by hiring thugs and making them millionaires. Got it. Thanks.

          • Exactly what do you mean by “thugs”?

            The NFL employs guys who child abuse, drive drunk, women beat, evade taxes, etc etc…just like any other major corporation.

            So you’re arguing ALL employers should fire employees accused but not convicted of certain crimes?

            Sounds like U.S.S.R. to me. Maybe they can get culturally re-wired while there at it.

          • BearDown100393

            Thugs? I’d start with owners like Jim Irsay. You seem bewildered about being fired if arrested. That is actually pretty normal and nothing new.

          • I’m not bewildered by it, I just think it’s wrong, you know, like beating a kid is wrong.

            So everyone is supposed to live like a saint in fear of being arrested (not convicted) and losing his/her job?

            Is that what you’re advocating here?

          • BearDown100393

            No. He had his chances. Only had himself to blame.

          • Joecashflow

            Here is the difference. The NFL is in the entertainment business. Appearances are important. You don’t have to have be convicted of anything to be erased from your job. The bum was knocking on doors at 3am. Guilty enough. And stupid enough. And you suppose he might have been high on something? Gee, maybe?

        • Doc Hamstring

          “Innocent until proven guilty” is germane to the criminal justice system.

          Not to employment.

          I’m not saying it’s right; I’m not saying it’s fair; but if any of us were arrested multiple times for domestic abuse–even if cleared of prior accusations–and our employers termed us, them’s the breaks. NFL is the same way.

          The one and only reason the NFL gives a shit about this stuff rather than leaving it ALL to the criminal justice system is that it’s bad PR to have a guy on a team who’s “paid his debt to society” (or even been cleared of multiple charges). The NFL wants to present a squeaky-clean image in order to maximize its media revenue, the advertising dollars the networks can field for showing NFL games, and sales of NFL merchandise. Which is why dudes get fined for their jerseys hanging out of their pants, or their socks rolled down, or if their shoes aren’t “regulation.”

          The NFL doesn’t care about abused women. The NFL cares about the appearance of caring. Which is why they go above and beyond the criminal justice system–like any employer with a concern about optics.

          • Big Mike

            The NFL is in a no-win situation.

    • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

      This.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Sometimes it is hard to not hit a woman, doesn’t mean you should.

    As for McDonald, the biggest indictment on the front office is having no semblance of a backup plan. They put all their eggs in the McDonald basket despite his track record. That makes me question their judgement, makes missing out on Leonard Williams in the draft that much more painful.

    As for Fangio, the lead question in every single HC interview he will have going forward will be, “Why did you vouch for Ray McDonald’s character, despite the numerous run ins with the law prior to his arrest in Chicago?”

    Glad the Bears didn’t lollygag, he got arrested and they didn’t “wait for the process to play out in the courts” they handled this swiftly (yesterday was a holiday, so the fact they released a statement and cut him the same day is swift enough for me). This tells me that there was a zero tolerance policy on McDonald from the get go. I wish he would have worked out (for the sake of the Bears) but sometimes you gamble and you lose. Just glad he messed up now vs. having a great season, getting some hefty guaranteed $$ and then screwing up, would have compounded the disappointment.

    • BearDown100393

      Don’t be too harsh with Fangio. After all, Ray McDonald’s mother did vouch for his character to George McCaskey.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Oh my bad, I forgot about that…lol. McCaskey trying to absolve himself after the fact is beyond ridiculous.

        • BearDown100393

          Oh well, Ray McDonald is nothing but a footnote in Bears lore. Ding dong the wife beater is gone. And now we can all move along….

  • Sactowns#1

    I gotta say… this doesn’t exactly sound like he beat his lady.

    Update: More details have emerged from McDonald’s arrest. McDonald was booked on misdemeanor charges of domestic violence and child endangerment. According to Santa Clara police, McDonald assaulted his victim “while she was holding a baby.” He was arrested at the home of just-retired former 49ers teammate Justin Smith.

    Here’s more, via NBC Bay Area:

    Police were called to a disturbance at 3:48 a.m. at an apartment in Santa Clara, only to find that McDonald had left to go to a friend’s home in San Jose.

    According to sources, McDonald was arrested at the home of Smith in the Silver Creek neighborhood of San Jose. Neighbors said they saw police cars about 6 a.m. Monday.

    Another source said that he rents an apartment in Santa Clara on Carlyle Court for his ex-fiancee and baby. The source said that on Sunday night, McDonald went out with friends and wanted to return to the apartment and asked her to leave. He left to give her some space, the source said, and when he returned, the police had been called.

    • BearDown100393

      So he tried to evict his child and mother at 3 am? What a swell guy.

      • Sactowns#1

        Not saying he’s a swell guy I’m just saying it sounds like a lot of you are playing Tom Smykowskis favorite game.

        • BearDown100393

          Oh make no mistake about it. I have zero respect for Ray McDonald. He was arrested. He was fired. And I’m okay with it.

  • The GP

    George went that extra mile and said “I still think he has Bears character”

    That was the fuck up. Trying to pretend the Bears were not the Raiders. They wanted him because they need a LDE and now it fucked them

    • BearDown100393

      Maybe McDonald does have Bears character? What do we really know about his business?

      • The GP

        We know this: he went to the apartment of his baby mama at 3:38am on Sunday and tried to kick her onto the street, evict her at 3am. Same woman who had filed charges on him in the past.

        He didn’t act like a landlord. He didn’t get a Sherrif’s warrant to throw her out. He decided he wanted her out at 3am. He then may or may not have hit her. She says he did. Cops felt he did.

        He then went to Justin Smith’s house to chill. The caops showed up at Smith’s house at 7am and cuffed him.

        That’s what we fucking know about his bizness.

        • BearDown100393

          I was referring to George McCaskey’s business (Bears). The Bears are not an asylum for the pure or innocent. Tank Johnson. Sam Hurd. Brandon Marshall(?). Ray McDonald. Have I expressed any opinion other than loathing McDonald?

          • The GP

            So how again was it ok for George to say that Ray-Ray was a good man deep down, when he knew it was his 5th chance not his 2nd?

          • BearDown100393

            Does it really matter what lip service is offered up by George McCaskey? Far more interested in his actions, not his words. Of course he’ll say whatever needs to be said, when the decision was made to sign Ray McDonald. George might have money but that does not make him bright or truthful.

          • The GP

            I’m dreaming, but I just want George to come clean.

            Say this:

            “Holy shit, how about last year, huh? That was a nightmare. I got into a fight and a fan pushed me down the stairs! That’s when you know it’s gotten bad! Ha ha! Seriously, I saw a few season ticket holders and they all said the same thing to me: this team better show some fight! Your dad would be disgusted by Trestman!

            And they were right. So we’re going to get some players we might not otherwise pass on for character issues. That’s what it takes to play ball nowadays. Ask Urban Meyer! We want the team to be about character, we really don’t want any mass murderers on the team, but we’re going to reach on some guys. THat’s the truth. Hopefully it translates into wins. ”

            Wouldn’t that just knock your socks off if he said that?

          • BearDown100393

            LOL, yeah it would but George is full of bs just like every other NFL owner.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It shows McCaskey has no class. That’s about the size of it. Papa Bear wouldn’t have hired McDonald. Bad JuJu. He gave Butkus a shot because he was a criminal psychopath on the field, not off.

        • Trac

          Actually, in Cali, I believe all the police need to arrest is an accusation. Responding to domestic violence calls is one of the most dangerous situations police officers are put in. They had no choice but to arrest him.

  • The GP

    Mike Florio said NFL should make situations like this cost teams a draft pick. I agree. That will stop teams from picking up guys who should show up to camp in a White Bronco

    • BearDown100393

      The Bears had a right to sign Ray McDonald. And of course they had a right not to sign him. I never liked the signing. But just because he was arrested (again), I do not believe the Bears should be punished.

      • The GP

        Why not?

        If you want to get rid of domestic violence in the NFL, you need to make it highly risky for the teams to do business with these people.

        It ain’t hard. Deterrence theory works, homey.

        • BearDown100393

          The above reads like Nancy Regan’s Just Say NO campaign. How did that work out?

          • The GP

            Wrong.

            The CURRENT situation is Nancy’s Reagan and Just Say No.

            The NFL says to players “please don’t beat the wife”. Just like Nancy said “please don’t use the pipe.” Neither worked.

            The owners see mad talent and say “I will take a chance that he don’t beat the wife.” And when they are wrong, they don’t really suffer. So they do it again.

          • BearDown100393

            This was written earlier (and better) than I could paraphrase. The NFL doesn’t care about wife beating. Or child beating. It cares about making money. And in order to maximize its profits, it simply has to show the public the perception that it cares and the perception that it will punish wrongdoing. Some don’t buy into the fallacy. Many others however do. And so it goes.

          • Trac

            Sounds like the IRS.

          • SC Dave

            Would have worked better had not the liberal media assualted the idea of personal responsibility at every turn. And it would have worked far better than the disastrous War On Drugs.

          • BearDown100393

            I think she was on drugs.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      i totally disagree.

    • So any player who gets accused of domestic violence (and not convicted) should basically be penalized?
      What happens when that player is cleared like in McDonald’s first case? Should he then get a rebate?

      • The GP

        Mickey D didn’t get the charge to stick for domestic violence. But he was put on probation for having an unregistered gun. Misdemeanor only.

        So the rule would not have applied in this case. But I am all for hitting teams with a pick penalty if they sign a felon and that felon gets another felony while on the payroll.

        Hell, make it a contractual clause. All the money they earn on a deal goes into an escrow account, minus the league minimum. THey get that to live on (nice world).

        If they get charged with another felony while on the roster, they money stays in escrow, the NFL seizes it. If convicted, the NFL keeps that money and the team gets smacked with a draft pick penalty.

        Call it the “thug at your own risk” rule.

        It would be a great rule and instantly push issues of character out of the league.

        • Haven’t you read “Atlas Shrugs”?
          Large corporations, CEOs and Billionaire owners make proper decisions all on their own! The market will correct this!

          If you’re going to go that far, it would be much easier to simply make a law banning any felon, or repeat felon, from obtaining an NFL job.

          Why beat around the bush and create unneeded and expensive bureaucracy?

          • The GP

            Because the rule name “Thug at your own risk” is awesome.

            Also: Ayn Rand sucks.

          • It’s a thick book, and we all know thick books impress chicks…

          • The GP

            You know what Ayn Rand was impressed by?

            Alan Greenspan’s dick. She called it the “bull market” cause it was always going up.

            (yeah, that’s right. I went there.)

          • You know the saying…once you go green…

          • Irish Sweetness

            The thickness of the book is inversely proportional to the greatness of its ideas.
            C’est vrai ou non?

          • Irish Sweetness

            This. It never ceases to amaze me how books based around one idea can gain cult followings whilst other books which are jam packed full of ideas go unrecognized for the geniuses that wrote them. When I hear or read about great books I’m supposed to have read, I want to know only one thing. Can they write well? Can they write words weaved together with such beauty and weight that they move me to tears and hold up a mirror to my soul.

            Ann Rand? Atlas shrugged. I don’t know what Henry Miller was dealing me, but that dude could write like a motherfucker. All purty like.

        • BearDown100393

          There already are morality clauses in contracts that include being arrested or committing crimes.

          • The GP

            They penalize the player not the team.

          • BearDown100393

            Yep.

      • BerwynBomber

        Was he paid by SF last year? I believe AP still drew his salary from Minny but I’m not sure.

  • The GP

    Bears still the 4th best team in the NFC North and the 5th best team in Chicago until they show otherwise. This is team that needs to figure out a way to get off the skids and can’t. They got an extra million in cap now and nobody worth a damn to spend it on

    • BearDown100393

      Guys get cut from teams all the time. Somebody will resurface on the open market.

      • The GP

        Because a guy with McDonald’s talent will just show up on the wire, without injury issues and willing to take a 1-year, 1M contract to play in Chicago. Uh-huh.

        • BearDown100393

          Some matters in life are more important than filling a roster spot for a football team. McDonald is toxic. The team moves on.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    The Bears signed him and shook their finger at him saying “OK, now don’t mess up.”

    He messed up. Whether he beat a woman, pushed her or even threatened her, regardless the Police arrested him. Period.

    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. But does this make the Bears look bad. No, some teams take a chance on players that don’t pan out. In the big picture, this is minor.

    The team moves on from here. Less drama please.

    • Doc Hamstring

      Reminds me of Tank Johnson and Cedric Benson–both got their “you get one more chance, fucko” talking-to, and both blew it.

    • I don’t think it makes the Bears look bad. I think it makes George McCaskey look bad, because of his pathetic role in the situation. To recap:
      1) Reviews case file his security people put together and says no on McDonald.
      2) Meets with McDonald and changes his mind. In public comments insinuates the alleged victim can’t be trusted. Tries to maintain the moral high ground by saying the Bears do it the right way while simultaneously saying that the facts of the case made him believe McDonald does not fit in with that way.
      3) Turns out his initial reading of the case was right and he was hoodwinked by McDonald into saying some stupid shit publicly. Nice look for the chairman of your billion-dollar franchise.
      I don’t blame Pace or Fangio for this one bit. McDonald would have helped make their jobs easier. It’s McCaskey’s job to screen for character, his career doesn’t depend on winning, and he fucked up. Plain and simple.

      • BerwynBomber

        I disagree. It should not be McCaskey’s job to screen his players, unless you want McCaskey making football decisions.

        McCaskey screwed up by being gullible and making the wrong decision but Pace should be the one screening character issues. I am sure he does it with potential draft picks. He should do it with FAs too.

        • BearDown100393

          What was lost? Credibility? In the NFL?

        • McCaskey is the one responsible for character issues (his words). He doesn’t get involved in the football side, but Pace needs his permission to pursue a player with off-field concerns.

          • BerwynBomber

            Then McCaskey is making football personnel decisions. I am not for it. Pace should be doing that.

            Either way, all three (Fangio, Pace, McCaskey) erred. We move on.

  • Mike

    To all Bears ‘fans’ …
    Been a fan since 1977. I am always AMAZED at how ignorant we ‘fans’ sound! This is FOOTBALL … the goal … WIN. So, if the team owners, administration decide to take a flyer on a good football player to see if he can turn himself around, so be it? If that same football player messes up his chance(s) again, then he is cut and that is it. No apologies needed by ANYONE (except by the offending football player … he needs to apologize for lying and using those who put their trust in him). Does anyone on here know how to read anyone else’s mind? NO. People with a pattern of dysfunction in their lives SOMETIMES do change and make good (even people with a pattern of poor choices or behavior). Others, do not. My point is if this guy ended up changing his life and being great for the Bears … team management would be geniuses right? In my opinion fickle, know it all ‘fans’ aren’t worth a damn … just watch the team/game and cheer them on … enough of the ‘expert’ opinions and psuedo-psychology!!!

    • The GP

      Fuck yeah!!!!!!!!! Tell it. I wish I could vote you up 6 times.

      I think if Aaron Hernandez were to get paroled, we should sign him! So he popped a cap in a few asses. Shit HAPPENS, ya know? All that means is he is a BAD ASS on the field! That’s what matters! So the NFL gives a few million bucks to guys who like to make women bloody, who CARES?? This is FOOTBALL! People get hurt! Ya know? If one of these thugs comes through in the playoffs, then it is ALL GOOD! We WIN! Fuck the psychologists and social justice warriors. Pussies, all of them! Don’t have what it takes to win.

      #RockOn

    • BearDown100393

      The only ‘expert’ opinion and ‘pseudo-psychology’ worth mocking was demonstrated by George McCaskey who gave the green light after being impressed upon a grown man buying a plane ticket and vouched by his own mother.

  • Am I living in Bizarro Land? Where was all this righteous indignation when Marsh was signed? McDonald doesn’t have nearly the depth or length of a wrap sheet, and may in fact be cleared fully in his latest drama.

    Just to rehash.

    March 14, 2012

    Newly acquired
    Bears receiver Brandon Marshall has a long list of off-field incidents
    and twice has been arrested for suspicion of domestic violence. Here is a
    timeline of those events.

    Oct. 31, 2004: During his junior year
    at Central Florida, Marshall was arrested at a Denny’s restaurant in
    Orlando, Fla., on charges of assault on a police officer, disorderly
    conduct, trespass and resisting arrest without violence and refusal to
    obey. The charges were dismissed.

    April 8, 2005: Marshall was
    charged with retail theft, a misdemeanor, after trying to return a
    stolen set of bed sheets, valued at $19.99, to a Burlington Coat
    Factory. The charge was dropped.

    June 17, 2006: Marshall and
    longtime girlfriend Rasheedah Watley both filed police reports alleging
    physical abuse by the other in a long altercation at an Orlando
    apartment. No arrests or charges were made.

    Jan. 1, 2007: Marshall
    was at the Denver nightclub Shelter with Broncos teammates Javon Walker
    and Darrent Williams, attending a birthday party for Nuggets forward
    Kenyon Martin. As the group left the club in a limousine, Williams was
    shot fatally in the neck by an unknown assailant. Walker later said the
    shooter was likely another man at the nightclub who was seeking
    retaliation after an altercation with Marshall’s cousin that evening.
    Marshall testified at the trial of gunman Willie Clark that he helped
    escalate the dispute that led to Williams’ death.

    Jan. 24, 2007:
    According to the Denver Post, police interviewed Marshall and his father
    after an argument in an Orlando parking lot. Marshall claimed his
    father tried to hit him with his car. His father claimed Marshall had
    fired a gun. Both men declined to press charges.

    March 18, 2007:
    In Atlanta, Watley told police Marshall punched her and took her purse
    while in a hotel. Marshall was gone before police arrived. No charges
    were filed.

    March 21, 2007: According to the Denver Post, police
    in Palm Beach County, Fla., interviewed Marshall and Watley twice in the
    same night after two loud arguments. Both said the disturbances were
    not physical in nature. No arrests or charges were made.

    March 26,
    2007: Marshall was arrested in a Denver suburb on suspicion of domestic
    violence. Watley reported Marshall prevented a taxi she was in from
    leaving his house. Marshall completed anger management counseling and
    the charges were dropped two months later.

    June 8, 2007: According
    to the Denver Post, two incident reports were filed by Atlanta police. A
    friend of Watley’s claimed Marshall hit her car and then threw a rock
    at the passenger door as Watley was riding in the passenger seat. Watley
    also told police Marshall cut her in the thigh and punched her in the
    face. She was taken by ambulance to a local hospital. Marshall was not
    present when police arrived. No charges were filed.

    June 30, 2007:
    According to the Denver Post, Watley told Atlanta police Marshall
    punched and choked her at his condo. She had a bruise and scratches.
    Marshall was not present when police arrived. No charges were filed.

    Oct.
    22, 2007: Marshall was arrested in Denver and charged with driving
    under the influence of alcohol. He was pulled over driving the wrong way
    on a one-way street hours after a game. He later pleaded guilty to a
    reduced charge of driving while ability-impaired and was sentenced to
    one year of probation and 24 hours of community service.

    March 6,
    2008: Marshall was arrested on charges of misdemeanor battery in Atlanta
    after a dispute with Watley. She told police he punched her in the
    mouth and eye. Marshall said he cut his hand on glass.

    Aug. 6,
    2008: NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell suspended Marshall for three games
    for violating the league’s personal conduct policy. The suspension was
    reduced to one regular-season game and a fine of an additional game
    check, costing him $52,353.

    March 1, 2009: Marshall was arrested
    in Atlanta on disorderly conduct charges after allegedly being involved
    in a dispute with then-fiancee, Michi Nogami-Campbell, now his wife.
    Charges were dropped the next day.

    Aug. 14, 2009: Marshall was found not guilty on the battery charges from the March 2008 arrest in Atlanta.

    April
    23, 2011: Marshall was taken to Broward General Medical Center after
    Nogami-Campbell stabbed him in the abdomen at their Florida home.
    Nogami-Campbell told police she stabbed Marshall “out of self-defense.”

    Sunday:
    Marshall is accused by a 24-year-old woman of punching her in the eye,
    leaving a black eye, in an altercation outside a club in New York.
    Marshall’s attorney says it was Marshall’s wife that was injured and
    says the couple are the true victims in the case.

    Sources: Tribune news services, South Florida Sun-Sentinel

    http://articles.chicagotribune

    • BearDown100393

      I wasn’t around here. But no I did not like the signing.

      • I was for it and for the same reason I was for the signing of McDonald.
        Sometimes ppl DO change.
        Bmarsh thus far has proven a person can change, and that a job can help turn around a life which benefits everyone.

        That, and you know, DUE PROCESS.

        • BearDown100393

          That is criminal proceedings not employment. Any employer knows that.

        • The GP

          You need to sign on now Butch. For The GP’s “Thug at your own risk” rule.

          It’s sheer genius.

          If you sign a felon to the roster, everything over league minimum that the player can earn goes into an escrow account held by the NFL. If they thug while on the team and get charged, the money stays held.

          If convicted, the money goes to the NFL to be donated to a charity of Rodger’s choosing and the team gets hit with a draft pick penalty.

          Problem solved. (Drops mic, exits stage left)

        • yes, people do change. Which typically follows people admitting a problem and working to change. Until I see somebody do that (Marshall did, McDonald hasn’t), I want nothing to do with them.

        • SC Dave

          With you on due process. Too bad it went away long ago with the War on Drugs, because, you know, stemming the problem on the demand side is so “unrealistic”.

    • BerwynBomber

      Again, the whole pre-Ray Rice vs. post-Ray Rice world. Not pardoning the moral inconsistencies of some fans, but the timelines make all the difference in terms of reaction.

      Marshall would have been tossed out of the league had most of his transgressions occurred post-Rice.

      • I was thinking the same. Just like Lawrence Taylor would never have been allowed to play in the current NFL.

        Also, Bmarsh snuck under the radar for a large portion of his career in the pre-twitter, pre-PFT, pre-TMZ world.

        But that’s not the case anymore.

        If any player gets arrested it’s automatically news. Heck, PFT has a “police blotter” and the internet lynch mob emerge with pitchforks before the person is afforded due process.

        • SC Dave

          Yeah, torches and pitchforks are so passe now that there is Twitter

          • BearDown100393

            I never thought you’d be a junkie because heroin is so passe. Catchy tune.

          • SC Dave

            Don’t get stupid on us.

          • BearDown100393

            It is a line from a good tune. Dandy Warhols. Anti-heroin song.

        • BerwynBomber

          But “due process” only applies to our legal system. Thinking it will apply to the court of public opinion is like believing in unicorns and candy mountains.

          And frankly most of us do not suspend judgment as much as we like to think.

          • Oh, I have no delusions about ppl not making snap judgements based on preliminary reports. We all do it; it’s only human. And a lot of times ppl just vent before they think.

            But personally, I tend to hold back judgment until I find out more details. I might fuck around and make some jokes, but that’s about it.

            Every case is different anyhow. If there’s visual/hard evidence like with A.P., then it seems easier to convict him in the public court.

            When it’s something like McDonald, it seems trickier.

            I’m not about to go around spouting he’s a woman beater and needs to be banned from the NFL just yet in his case.

          • BearDown100393

            I will without reservation.

          • And if McDonald is cleared, will you as adamantly defend his right to return to the NFL?

          • BearDown100393

            He has not been banned. Just fired. You need to relax. The beater isn’t worth it

          • I don’t know why you’re projecting. I am relaxed. And that’s the point, I don’t know if he’s a beater or not.
            A bozo yes, but perhaps not a beater.

            But this issue isn’t really about McDonald. He’s just a case that points to a much larger trend in society.

          • BearDown100393

            Yep. Men beating women is a problem. A big one.

          • It is. Whether McDonald is part of that problem, we’ll find out in time.

          • BearDown100393

            He is. No time needed.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And it gets mentioned, a lot. Crazy ass women beating on their men never gets a look-in.

          • BearDown100393

            It is true that some men are physically abused by some women.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Exactly. I’d have no problem giving LT a fourth or fifth chance after a string of whatever raps. Minimum wage, go do what you do, Lawrence. Awesome. That bum’s in the HOF.

      • Johnnywad

        This is me in a nutshell BB. The Ray Rice video and photos of what Adrian Peterson did to his kid, turned me into something I wasn’t before. I admit, it’s pretty weak that I didn’t really care to see it before. But having seen it, I’d rather the Bears lose games without a guy like McDonald, than win games with him.

        I’ve been wondering how I’d manage being a fan this fall with McDonald on the field. Guess I won’t have to sort that one out.

    • Here’s the biggest difference to me: Marshall had admitted his problems and mistakes and was working to change them. McDonald has not said anything along those lines.
      If somebody admits he messed up, wants to improve, and will help others avoid his mistakes, I’m willing to give them another chance. If they want to act like they did nothing wrong while doing the same stupid shit over and over, then fuck them.
      Even McCaskey, when talking about his long, difficult discussion with Ray McDonald, never said anything about McDonald admitting his mistakes.

      • “Here’s the biggest difference to me: Marshall had admitted his problems
        and mistakes and was working to change them. McDonald has not said
        anything along those lines.”

        McDonald hasn’t called a press conference about it like Bmarsh while promoting X-cause because that apparently is not McDonald’s M.O.

        And we don’t really know what McDonald told George in private, and I doubt we’ll ever truly find out.

        All we know is that McDonald flew over (on his own dime, for whatever that’s worth). Convinced a hesitant owner privately to hire him, an owner and organization that traditionally steers clear of red flag characters.

        It’s hard to imagine McDonald didn’t take responsibility for his priors privately.

        However, taking responsibility for it doesn’t matter if the person repeats the bad decision making.

        It’s like a drunk who goes to AA but then drives off wasted and runs someone over.

        He admitted the problem, sought help for it, but he still fucked up and must pay the consequences.

        • Sactowns#1

          Maybe, just maybe he has nothing to apologize for. Perhaps there have been no charges because there have been no assaults. Just sayin.

          • by the “bad decision making” I’m talking about putting himself in horrible situations.

            Just like a drunk is told, “stay away from your drinking buddies and watering holes”

            McDonald was told, “Stay away from crazy bitches at 3am, esp those who have already previously accused you of rape/abuse.”

            IMO, he deserved to get terminated for his lack of judgement alone. Apparently, this guy can’t help himself in avoiding those situations.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      man i really miss the days of DUIs, gun charges, breaking players jaws, and the occasional drug KINGPIN.

      • BearDown100393

        Agreed. It’s the end of the innocence.

      • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

        and that’s only Dallas in the 80’s & 90’s!

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          or the bears in the mid 00’s

    • Irish Sweetness

      One common habit of the herding drunken youth is standing around a lot doing nothing. When one member of the herd goes down, other members tend to gang together and kick the shite out of the poor downed soul.

      Ray went down, but he already had a target on his back. Ray was always going down. It was his will. Like Marty McFly’s old man remarked, “It was his density.”

  • footballandpoop

    I thought we were homers but you guys are delusional.

    • EnderWiggin

      Way to contribute.

      Nice selfie… There is a smudge on your chin.

      • BearDown100393

        Apparently Kyle tweets better than he posts.

    • C’mon Cheezy, we expect better than that!

  • Waffle

    twitter must end. Jeff, stop yourself, i feel your post bears blog writing life slowly bleeding out.

    • SC Dave

      Gawd.. no fucking shit! It gets more idiotic with every tweet

      • SC Dave

        Oh, and the Cubs, as always, still suck.

        • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

          HA. nope.

    • SC Dave

      Dude, we’ ve had our disagreements, but we can unite on the abject stupidity of the Twitter mindset. Holy fuck, my man… how bad does it have to get?

    • SC Dave

      On the otber hand, maybe its pure click whoring?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Sorry, I do NOT see the need for all this wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    The Bears signed him.

    No doubt they told him Behave or be gone”.

    He fouled up.

    They cut him loose.

    Fait Accompli.

    Now he can be a Cowboy.

    • I don’t think McDonald is a big deal either, except some fans are insisting “never take a chance on someone who ALLEGEDLY did…so and so.”

      I can see that. If they want their team to be without accused anything, that’s their prerogative.

      If the same standard would’ve been used for Marshall, he would’ve never been a Bear, so those fans would’ve been something like 50/50 right now.

      I think Bmarsh was a damn good bear and never got into trouble with the law again, while McDonald most likely strikes out.

      If George and Pace would’ve given up two 3rd rounders like with Bmarsh, then they would’ve really been burned in effigy.

      • BearDown100393

        You are right regarding Marshall’s off the field behavior while a Chicago Bear. However he was also one of the first jettison from the team by the new management.

    • BearDown100393

      McDonald really had only one responsibility – do not get arrested. He failed and got fired.

  • Viva

    Da Hawksce!

    • Big Mike

      This team is killing me… The flurries of goals they have given up this post – season are maddening.

      • BearDown100393

        The regulars on that team (Toews, Kane, Keith) have tremendous heart.

    • BillW

      I think you missed a day didn’t you? Yesterday? Or maybe I missed it.

      Very proud of this team, Obvious weakness BUT they fight through them.

      • BearDown100393

        I thought this was covered yesterday by someone?

  • Scharfinator

    I’m sick of this bullshit caveat of never hitting a “woman”. It’s acceptable to hit men then? “Oh I’d never hit a woman *launch straw man argument*.”

    Violence is hardly ever acceptable – I can only think of it as an appropriate response if someone brings violence against you or a loved one. However, to keep sticking the word woman in there only further supports institutional sexism and a lack of equality.

    TLDR: Don’t hit anyone. Gender is irrelevant.

    • BearDown100393

      Men don’t hit women. Deal with it.

      • Irish Sweetness

        So you would allow yourself to be attacked viciously by a female, either boozed or smoked up, whose only reason for existence at that point is to blind and kill you ? Even after resisting until you were exhausted and feared for your life? That’s called being a victim, not a man. A man shows her what’s up. He defends himself.

        • BearDown100393

          Nice try. I don’t play the what if game of hypothetical scenarios. I do my job and then go home to my family. I don’t drink. I don’t smoke. And I don’t hang out in bars. My world is rather predictable and for some, probably boring. So be it. I’ll worry about having to defend myself from the Sand Snakes if and when they show up to confront. Until then, men don’t need to beat women.

          • BillW

            “men don’t need to beat women.” They don’t NEED to beat men either.

          • BearDown100393

            No they don’t.

        • SC Dave

          Dont waste any more time on 100393 on this. Clearly he has something in his history that limits his thought on this matter.

      • BillW

        His point is – it’s not OK to hit ANYONE (except in self defense). We seem in society to say it’s OK to hit a man if he pushes you too far, but not a woman. Why? Why is it OK to hit ANYONE who pushes you too far. That’s the point he is making.

        • BearDown100393

          Most people learn this in the first grade and move on in life.

          • BillW

            I was simply correcting what I thought perhaps was a misinterpretation of his point. “Men don’t hit women. Deal with it”. He wasn’t saying it’s OK for a man to hit a woman.

          • BearDown100393

            Ok

      • Scharfinator

        I don’t think you get it. Don’t hit anyone. Unless of course, you are in favor of male on male violence?

        • BearDown100393

          You should be more concerned about idiots like Ray McDonald who beat women versus hypotheticals of what you think I may or may not understand. Your social commentary skills parallel grade school.

          • Scharfinator

            A refusal to answer the question? Nice dodge.

            Keep in mind about what I should be concerned about when you consider this fact. You responded to me.

          • BearDown100393

            It isn’t a dodge. I’ve already expressed physical abuse is physical abuse regardless of the gender of perpetrator and victim.

          • SC Dave

            Dont get stupid on us… again. Do you suffer from guilt for having hit women or something?

          • BearDown100393

            Seriously go fuck yourself. I see the damage done to these women by these pricks all too often.

          • BearDown100393

            Sorry man but I just finished helping a client who was tuned up by her husband pretty badly when I read this. Part of my job. Not an always type of situation but it is there. I see this shit too often.

    • Johnnywad

      No shit Scharf. But that said, don’t tell me you don’t see a huge gap between the two on just about every level. The ability to defend oneself, the ability to cause real harm, the sheer number of occurrences of one versus the other? Women hitting men is such a small fraction of the total number of occurrences. You seldom hear about it because other than the chicks Irish hangs out with, most women don’t attack men. When they do, they seldom inflict real physical harm. While I get your point, it has very little real application. Domestic abuse is a very real problem. Particularly so for women.

      • Scharfinator

        I agree for the most part.

        However, the statistics are not a fair representation. Female on male abuse is under reported, as is rape (both ways).

      • SC Dave

        Actually, i bet women hit men more than the other way around.

        • Johnnywad

          History has shown that all sentences beginning with “actually”, are proven to be utter bullshit.

  • Jack Lacan

    Bill Burr…

  • BillW

    New thread. The best radio spot Jeff ever did (just ask him)…

    • AlbertInTucson

      Whew. Thank you.

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