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Thoughts on the Second Preseason Game

| August 23rd, 2015

On the offensive side…

  • If I were going to write a book entitled Stupidest Plays in NFL History, sure, Leon Lett is going to be on the cover. But in the chapter dedicated to the preseason, Jay Cutler deciding to neck joust Greg Toler in practice game – video above – is going to receive ample attention. Cutler may not be the most well-liked player around Chicagoland but  without him the Bears will resemble the unwatchable teams from the first half of the previous decade. Taking a physical risk like that is borderline insane. You know how I know I’m right? David Haugh called the play “smart”.
  • Sure seems like Adam Gase is wisely using Cutler’s athleticism in a way previous offensive play callers ignored. They’ve shown a few read option looks through two preseason games and Cutler is being allowed to roam outside the pocket, where historically he’s been most efficient. If injuries are going to keep mounting at the receiver spot, Cutler is going to need all the time possible to allow them to get open.

  • Marquess Wilson actually looked like an NFL receiver.
  • Let’s not sugarcoat things. Bears don’t have a right tackle currently.
  • They do have tremendous depth at running back.

On the defensive side…

  • If Pernell McPhee is going to explode off the ball like that all season long the Bears defense is going to be fun to watch. (But Jack Mewhort isn’t any good so let’s keep things in check.)
  • When Colts broadcaster introduced the Bears defense he said, “Tim Jennings…been around a long time.” That about sums it up.
  • Was T.Y. Hilton ever covered?
  • Bears should have a solid front seven, especially if Shea McClellin and Christian Jones continue to play solidly in the middle. Their secondary, as has been stated her many times, will not be good. Not even close.
  • Colts two-point conversion was not a “rub route”. It was an illegal pick play.

Midfield Mariani!

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  • Scharfinator

    Mariani’s return game did look strong. McAfee wasn’t punting well though, Mariani was catching them before any Colts were within 10 yards.

    The defense played pretty well, our first team held Luck to 8 points on 3 drives after the offense put out piddly efforts.

    • That Colt’s Oline looked horrible. Still, gotta give our D credit for taking advantage.
      Mariani is no Hester, for better and worse.
      He won’t instill fear in the opposing team, but neither will he make bonehead decisions that will cost us.

      Just putting in solid yds. I trust him back there.

      • Scharfinator

        Yeah, well put.

  • Cormonster

    Why is he called Midfield Mariani?

    Would the Mitchell pick be called PI at least half the time in a real game for “over the back” or some other stupid reason like “running into the receiver” before picking it off?

    • Trac

      Because he always gets to midfield?

  • Trac

    Your comments about Gase allowing Cutty to move around in the pocket were the most meaningful.

    • SC Dave

      Yes, that was good to see. Maybe we finally have an oc that gets it

  • Trac

    This video is meaningless. Totally misses Cuttys run.

  • The GP

    Who had left side high as the safety on the TY Hilton catch? Cause that safety was nowhere in shot and needs to be helping Fuller on that inside seam fly route.

    BUT… Fuller’s trail tech was bad bad bad, his feet look slow and he looks a bit lackadaisical. His bullshit punch to the chest that earned him a flag only shows how bad he knew he was torched. He needs some more coaching and for somebody to remind him he’s a #1 pick.

    The best player on this secondary right now might be Sherris McMannis, and that is not what we want to be saying.

    And with no White and no Jeffery, we are not making it with doses of Bellamy and Cruz. God, those two wouldn’t start for the Oregon Ducks this year.

    • Waffle

      disagree about Bellamy. I like what i see from Rashad Lawrence, Cam Meredith and Josh Bellamy. All fighting for the same 5th WR spot. Maybe try to stash Lawrence or Meredith on the PS.

      • The GP

        Biggsy on the fly route (he wrote this after dinner, which was 3 slabs of Carson’s ribs, and a double chocolate shake with free refills):

        It will be interesting to get a look at video from the end zone of the 45-yard strike from Andrew Luck to streaking wide receiver T.Y. Hilton. No question cornerback Kyle Fuller needed to do a better job of squeezing the route. But the Bears were in a single-high safety look and there wasn’t any help in the middle of the field for Fuller. My guess at this point is Amos should have been there. Could be a teaching point for him. It certainly wasn’t all on Fuller.

        • Waffle

          when they got Fuller i thought we were going to use him like Woodson later in his career flying around blitzing, lining up around the box, floating…..

          • The GP

            Pack put Woodson at both nickel and safety.

            I agree with you that Fuller should probably swap with McMannis, who it appears they want at nickel. I think Sherrick might actually be the better outside corner, and Fuller seems better when he can blitz, zone jump and generally keep his head up and read the play and be unpredictable.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Mitchell might be our corner, McMannis the nickel.

          • Waffle

            Mitchell is no scrub, that’s national championship caliber CB. He plays fast.

          • Waffle

            when you watch Fuller he actually moves like Woodson, he’s very aggressive and instinctual. I really hope they let that kid loose and shelve the idea that he’s a shutdown corner.

        • This is what I saw too. Fuller’s job was to not let Hilton streak outside. Make him go inside where theoretically, the safety helps. No safety. One-on-one with one of the fastest receivers in the NFL. That’s no easy task. Few outside of Revis could’ve covered that, and even then, it’d result the same.

          I just saw Revis get owned by Julio Jones in the redzone the other day. He had to hold him and was penalized, so let’s slow our roll on the “Fuller Bust” bandwagon.

          He probably matches up better against bigger WRs anyways, much like Peanut and Sherman.

    • Irish Sweetness

      No love for McMannis? Himself and Mitchell go to the ball, they’re near it a lot. Watching T Jennings try to cover Johnson was painful OTOH. Just as well we have a pass rush now, because the Colts have all kinds of receivers.

      We had a few guys in at safety, like they were on rotation. We might have a gem we don’t know about yet.

      • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

        right now Jennings wouldn’t start in most teams and promising Mitchell is playing with hungry. agree about the three front corners: Mitchell, McMannis and Fuller.

    • George Hotchkiss

      I like Fuller in general terms, but his speed and lack of explosiveness will be exploited regularly. In reality he probably was a second or third round talent.

  • The GP

    Also… while Allen suited up and started… I think that Houston and McPhee are the two people you want out there at OLB. Need to bring Houston back in small doses that get larger but MUCH more effective than Allen.

    • I think we’ll see a lot of nickel sets with all 3 on the field.

    • Irish Sweetness

      He looked pretty good against the Colts.

  • BearDown100393

    “Jay Cutler deciding to to neck joust Greg Toler in practice game – video above – is going to receive ample attention.”

    Risk? Stupid play? Pre-season?

    Jay doesn’t caaaarrrrrrrreeeeeeeee.

    This is football right?

    • Waffle

      it’s definitely football and that was a true football play. it was ill advised to be sure but when you can get Bennett fired up through your own play it’s never a bad thing. Martellus questioned whether Jay cared sometimes and when your QB flashes fucking fire like Luck and Brady and Rivers and other competitors it is NEVER a bad thing.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Football is risky. It was a Jimmy Mac play.

        (shrugs)

        • Waffle

          that kind of play gets guys fired the fuck up. Leading by example.

          • The homer in me liked it. The part that drinks Jack and gropes women at dance clubs
            The tresty in me disliked it. The part that orders ginger ale at Lord of the Dance

          • Waffle

            one of the best comments of all time.

          • Scharfinator

            I think my favorite Cutty memory was when he blasted that Steeler’s DB when he took off running. You knew we were winning that game.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          a play like that is why Jimmy Mac cant remember where he is half the time and needs help tying his own shoes

          • Waffle

            a case of miller lite a day doesn’t help….

        • AlbertInTucson

          Yes, the kind of play that made Jimmy Mac unavailable to the Bears all too often.

      • SC Dave

        The “every play could be your last” mind-set made Dick Butkus the best football player I’ve ever seen.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Just watched the game again on NFL Network.

    * I like Cutty when he tucks and runs. Yards are way better than INTs.

    * Terry Williams is unblockable one on one. He draws constant double teams and lives in their backfield.

    * We might have a very good front seven roster. No huge standouts, but good solid players and plenty of them. Promising LBs like Anderson/Timu/Acho to throw in the mix with McPhee/Allen/Bass//Cornwash/Young etc. Williams/Ratliff/Goldman can all be effective as the fatties. Brandon Dunn at DE is not here just to make up numbers. He can penetrate. Is it possible to have too much competition ?

    * McMannis and Mitchell need to be on the field perhaps a bit more than some other people.

    * Langford looks like our number one. With Matty being in the league eight years, you reeeally notice how shifty Langford is. Averaged like 9 yards a carry, had a TD, with the 2nd OL.

    * Jordan Mills and Jay Leno, begone. We have no RT other than Kyle Long and that needs to get addressed before the season starts. There MUST be someone on this team that can play RG other than Kyle. We will be a league leading rushing attack if Kyle goes to RT. I love our line if that happens. Haven’t seen a lot of Tayo.

    * Bellamy and Meredith are solid at receiver. Methinks Royal becomes Cutty’s new BFF.

    * Our ST look good. Our defense will be good. We can run the football. 330 yards in 2 weeks. Cutty is playing a bit smarter.

    We have a shot at decency this season, with depth everywhere except the OL. Address that next season and our superbowl run is nigh. Just PS, but we’re doing okay. We closed down a pretty good offense in the Colts. We moved it against a pretty good defense last week.

    We do not suck. We will beat the Packers in week one.

    • The GP

      Talk was all offseason that Sutton would be traded and that his undersized 3-tech simply didn’t wash with Fangio.

      Well… what I saw was a guy playing decent 5-tech.

      If anything, Trade Allen for a wideout to a 4-3 team that needs an edge rusher on turf, like the Falcons. That’s it, trade Allen to the Falcons for Hester back.

      • Trac

        Please no, to the Hester trade. We need to get younger and WR is one of the easiest positions to fill. Surely we’ll make do with what we have or be able to trade for a decent WR.

      • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

        why don’t for a RT?

        • The GP

          Allen for something. Point is: Trade Allen not Sutton

          • To quote the Blind Squirrel, there’s not RT tree!
            Our best bet is to move Long over and Grassu/Mathis at OG.

            I’m not even sure what we could get for Allen at this point. His contract might turn off a lot of suitors.

      • or just keep him and let him and McPhee rush from opposite ends this year.

    • BerwynBomber

      Our depth at LB is good. The quality of our starting LBs is TBD.

    • – like I said before, Cutty is good for about 4 games to inexplicably transform into Roth. Hope this doesn’t count as one of those.

      -Specifically kept an eye on Terry. Dude is UNBLOCK ABLE. He would consistently drive fools back and demand doubles. He didn’t collapse the pocket right away, but he def moves it backward slowly but surely, and as a NT, that’s what you want.

      – Said it long ago. We have a bunch of avg/good players on D, but no true “playmaker” that can take over the game. Theoretically, Allen and Mcphee were supposed to be those guys. Stay tuned.

      N’Acho Libre DEFINITELY needs to make this team. I’d like to see him run with the 1st team in the all important 3rd PS game. Need to see if he looks as dominant against the varsity team cuz he’s consistently living in the back field vs the scrubs.

      – Out of necassity, we might have to over-pay for Mathis before some other Oline needy team swoops him up. He’s a zone blocker too, which should be perfect. He’s old, but we can address that next draft.
      Also, why not try Grassu at RG? It’s typical for a C to wet his feet at OG first. Maybe put him at LG where he works in tandem with the C, and move Slauson to RG and Long to RT (the WildCard). That, or Tayo at RT?

      – There’s plenty of WR vets on the FA market, if we need them, but we need to start finding gems. Bellamy, Merdith and Lawrence have all flashed, and Mid-file Mariani technically plays WR too, and I think he’s earned a spot.

      PACKERS. MUERTO.

      • AlbertInTucson

        New England is bringing Reggie Wayne in for a physical.

        • Johnnywad

          I heard he was tearing it up at the local Saturday night Moose Lodge Bingo lockins though. Gonna be hard to pull him away from that.

      • I saw Acho rush the passer at least 2x with the 1s. Stonewalled.

    • SC Dave

      Oh gawd… not the every season replace Forte shit, again

  • Waffle

    Colts may have lost their 1st round WR pick for a while. Phillip Dorsett went down with a knee injury…..LATE in yesterdays game.

  • beninnorcal

    I didn’t watch the game yet buy was Amos with the 1’s? Did he play at all? I’m reading all these other names on here but no one is mentioning him.

    • beninnorcal

      Ok..

  • I know Fuller has to be more composed, but I LIKE that he got pissed after allowing that catch.
    It shows me that he gets pissed if he gets beat (even with no safety help). That he believes he can shut down anyone, even Hilton (a very good WR).

    As Viper in Top Gun once said..I like that in a pilot…

    • Trac

      Viper should change his name to “puff adder”. Have you seen how swole he is now? He he.

      • Shady

        I think you mean Iceman, who is more like an Icehouse now.

        • Trac

          Yeah, you’re right. My bad, lol.

          • EnderWiggin

            Get it right. They are making a part 2!

          • Trac

            Practically every movie that’s come out of Hollywierd in the last 20 years is one kind of remake or another.

          • SC Dave

            NO shit. These assholes can’t come up with anything new.

  • If our D can slow or maybe even hold most teams to FGs, and if Mariani keeps giving us great field position, that would mean Gase could remain patient and stick with the run cuz he’d have confidence that the D and Specials would keep it close.

    We’re going to find out a lot in this next PS game, including how well the new coaches game plan and make half time adjustments.

    • SC Dave

      I liked what I saw from Mariani. Not Hester, of course, but I’ll take it.

  • Shady

    Jordy Nelson out for the year with a torn ACL? Ouch babe.

    You can’t really replace a talent like Nelson, but the cheese will be fine. They’re always adding to their stable of receivers and they’ll be guys who step in and help pick up the slack.

    The Bears lose their #1 receiver and we’re playing guys off the street.

    The importance of roster depth in the NFL can’t be overstated.

    • Trac

      Life just got real for the cheese. Welcome to our world boys!

      Oh and don’t kid yourself butch, this hurts the cheese pretty bad.

      • Shady

        They’re about 10 more injuries away from being in “our world”.

        • ONE. Vadgers.

          • SC Dave

            Well, kinda. Shea took him out, and they still kicked our ass in the standings.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, but they went something like 1-7 with Tolzein and Flynn starting and if memory serves the one game they managed to win was when Dallas had an epic collapse in a second half.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Should I make the obvious Jordy Nelson/Vanilla joke or is it too late?

    • I notice that teams with franchise QBs tend to load up on WRs.
      Packers, Colts, Steelers.
      Then again, others don’t – Pats, Hawks, Ravens…

      Not sure if each team has an overall philosophy, or if it’s just by chance.
      Like with us, if a defensive player would’ve been ranked higher than White (let’s say Leonard Williams slipped to our slot), then we’d probably have drafted him instead of a WR .

      • NewBearInTown

        I think teams with franchise QBs tend to make a good bunch of receivers (which is what every team wants) look like the team “loaded up” on them. Then, when contract time comes, the fact that there are multiple receivers and a franchise QB keeps the WR asking prices in check.

        But yeah, teams with an offense heavy approach are always adding weapons for the QB to play with. The Saints in particular draft skill players in the first three rounds even when they have glaring needs elsewhere.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Those teams load up with 2nd rounders or later (Cobb, Nelson, Adams, Montgomery for the Sacs and Brown, Bryant, Coates, Wheaton for the Steelers) and that’s the trick, we had success in the 2nd a couple of years ago and I wish we would have taken someone else at 7 and then dipped into the WR pool in the 2nd or 3rd-it was a deep class this year.

    • BerwynBomber

      It will hurt their deep passing game A LOT. Despite the infamous season-ending Rodgers-to-Cobb TD against us two years ago, Nelson is/was their real deep threat.

      • Not to mention that back-side catch that’s almost unstoppable between Rodgers-Nelson.

        They’ll miss that a lot. Devonte Adams is not nearly as refined as Jordy.

        • BerwynBomber

          Exactly. Their passing game will not collapse — Rodgers could get two guys off the PS and work something out — but Nelson was their #1 and as you imply he and Rodgers had their timing/communication down to a T.

          • Shady

            GB’s WRs coach to new starting WR: “OK kid, all you have to do is run a clean route and the QB will throw it directly into your arms.”

          • AlbertInTucson

            Yup.

            Every time we turnaround Rodgers is hurting the Bears tossing a TD pass to some “Guy Named Joe” at tight end.

            Last year it was Richard Rodgers.

            For all I know, that’s the same guy who wrote “Victory At Sea”.

          • madscout12

            But the coverage shifts. Without Nelson, Nelson doesn’t have to be covered, which puts our #1 on their 2, our 2 on their 3, and so forth.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Our roster looks good. Let’s roll !!

      • Shady

        What are your realistic expectations for the season? 6 wins? 7?

  • BearDown100393

    4 meaningless exhibitions per year is an expensive waste of personnel.

  • whoever drafted Nelson and Kelvin Benjamin in FF is FUDGED.

    • NewBearInTown

      Any decision on when we’re drafting Butch?

      • Well, I still want to hold it this Sat at 8pm central.
        Does that work for you?

        • NewBearInTown

          Too early. On a Saturday night, I’d need to start at like 9:30pm central at the earliest.

          • How about 9pm, NB? Gotta remember, some of the guys are on Eastern time, and I’m sure they don’t want to be drafting at 11pm! lol

    • Irish Sweetness

      Rodgers likes Devante.

      John Brown has great upside this year on the Cards. Bryant on the Steelers. Maclin is a fantasy stud in the making if Smith can hook up with him. Allen Robinson could be picked up off waivers. How about Eddie Royal? I think he gets 90 balls this year.

  • AlbertInTucson

    The scary injuries are like the one Jordy Nelson suffered today. NO contact and he still blows out a knee. SMH.

    • And he walked off like a stroll through the park, no limp or grimace.

      Should make all those “Cutty quit the championship game” critics think twice.

      • Irish Sweetness

        That probably made it worse.

        • Doc Hamstring

          ACLs are weird.

          Let’s remember Roberto Garza didn’t have one in one leg.

          I’ve read plenty about guys blowing ACLs and not feeling any pain. Hell, I’ve treated ACL injuries where the patient said they felt a “pinch” or a “tweak.” Others feel like they’ve been shot.

          The weirdest is Achilles, though. I’ve had patients describe them as the worst pain ever, and a few patients describe them as completely painless. One guy was playing racquetball, and he said the only way he knew something was wrong is that he couldn’t extend his foot, and when he looked at his leg, his calf muscles and tendon had rolled all the way up the back of his shin.

          • SC Dave

            When I did my ACL, it was like the shot think. Vision went white. Worst pain I’ve ever experienced, albeit very briefly. Within about 40 seconds, I got up, walked off the soccer field, up a hill and stairway, and drove my car home.

            Surgery two days later.

          • AlbertInTucson

            So often it looks like, “Eh, no big deal”. Then come the MRI results and “Uh-oh, big deal.”.

          • AlbertInTucson

            SOOOO happy I never had the experience.

            ! consider myself very fortunate that in 50+ years of Baseball, Softball, touch football, etc I never suffered anything worse than a jammed finger or two, a slightly separated shoulder, 1 bad hammy and assorted scraps & bruises.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “and when he looked at his leg, his calf muscles and tendon had rolled all the way up the back of his shin.”

            Thank you, Doc, for ANOTHER mental picture I could have done without.

          • EnderWiggin

            Eeeeewwwww!

      • AlbertInTucson

        Oh, but that’s DIFFERENT!

    • Big Mike

      Those injuries simply indicate that the knee was going to blow no matter what…

  • BerwynBomber

    A thing like Jordy Nelson’s injury is just ONE reason I was not as high on the Cheese as others were. Other than BJ Raji and Rodgers’ late calf injury, they were very blessed in the injury department last year. Don’t see that repeating this year.

    Plus, they will suffer an NFCC meltdown hangover, Rodgers (for once) will look mortal, and their secondary will suck.

    Hate to channel Barb, but Green Bay is simply not New England when it comes to consistency and coaching.

    • I agree. The “Hangover” goes many ways. Injuries, moral, etc

      Their coaches are riding Rodgers, not the other way around.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yep. Rodgers might be at Brady’s level but no way McCarthy is at Belichick’s.

        • SC Dave

          Yeah, dont know how to cheat so well for sure

    • Irish Sweetness

      Off to pick up Devante on the waiver wires …..

      We’re definitely looking good for week one.

    • AlbertInTucson

      New England is scrambling a bit at receiver, too, bringing in Reggie Wayne for a physical.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, but NE always gets by with a bunch of no-names. Hell, they won 11 games one year with a then unknown Matt Cassel (who literally hadn’t started a game since HS).

        Great as Rodgers is I don’t think GB quite has the system NE does. Again, McCarthy is a good, solid pro HC. He ain’t Belichick.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Might be harder to get by this year if the Hammer drops on Brady. Plus they have to replace both corners, including Revis.

          I know one of the prospective replacements is Malcom Butler who made the game saving play in the Super Bowl, but Larry Brown was MVP of Super Bowl 30 and 12 games (and less than 2 seasons) later he was waived.

          • Scharfinator

            One play doesn’t guarantee your career…. David Tyree comes to mind for me.

          • willbest

            It does generally get you a decent paycheck, which from 95% of the players out there, is a good career.

  • Doc Hamstring

    Jeff, Nelson could’ve torn his ACL in a “meaningless practice” just as easily as a “meaningless practice game.”

    And what if he tore the ACL in Week 1? Does that being a “meaningful game” make it OK?

    Injuries happen. The only way you can argue that preseason games are somehow evil is if there’s a higher rate of season-ending injuries in them (which I don’t think anyone has analyzed) because younger players cause injuries to established vets, and that the owners purposefully keep the preseason games on the schedule to make more money.

    Even if the injury rate was higher, you’d have to argue that preseason games are uniquely dangerous because–if you got rid of the preseason–the first several games of the regular season would end up with the same dynamics. That is, players out of conditioning, out of position because they’re learning new systems, etc.

    And yes, the owners are making money off the current 4 preseason games, but they’d much rather have them be “meaningful” (that is, regular-season) games where the national TV revenue means more money, and higher game attendance means more ticket sales and more money.

    So, getting rid of “meaningless practice games” probably wouldn’t affect the injury rate. And if they were done away with, they’d be replaced with “meaningful” regular-season games anyway.

    Let’s stop complaining about injuries in a sport that is defined by them. They happen. You can’t stop them. Jordy Nelson blows his ACL in a non-contact incident in a preseason game. It could’ve happened at practice. Or it could’ve happened after he sacked a QB in a blowout loss in a “meaningful game.”

    • BearDown100393

      Exhibitions are held to make money. Preparing players is a far secondary factor.

      • SC Dave

        Can’t say that I agree.

        • Johnnywad

          Exhibitions are the only realistic method to shape the back end of the roster. True starters don’t play much. It seems like a bit of a game speed tune up prior to real games. I’m fine with it. It’s just part of the game.

          • Big Mike

            I agree. When else do the players practice taking someone to the ground when they tackle?

          • Trac

            Yup, you can’t play this game if you’re in scared mode all the time. I think the light practice schedule the NFLPA bargained for has not only hurt the product but I think it also hurts conditioning.

          • Big Mike

            Here’s an interesting insight. There is an organization called USA Football. In the last 10 years it has grown from a collection of coaches, to the official youth and high school coaching partners of the NFL. About 4 years ago there was a pilot project implemented called “heads up football”. Heads up Football is about taking the head out of the game starting at the earliest level of football. Helmet to Helmet contact is to be avoided, tackling drills that emphasized “heads up, across the body, initiate contact with the shoulder pad were implemented”.

            The tackling drills work fine. They merely highlight good tackling principles. In youth football we work tirelessly on tackling drills. By eighth grade our better players have great form, rarely execute a tackle where their head makes first contact and even more rare is helmet to helmet contact.

            In HS, the freshman continue to work on tackling drills, but as the move up tackling to the ground becomes less frequent, in college tackling to the ground is even less frequent in practice. In the NFL they’ve just about eliminating tackling.

            As it stands, players high level players took most of their live tackling practice reps in youth football.

            That can’t be the way this was intended to work out.

      • willbest

        You might have a point if a regular game didn’t have twice the people in attendance and 5-10 times the TV viewers.

        • BearDown100393

          Live attendance really only half across the league?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Sometimes something just goes pop,. ACLs included.

      Torn Achilles is another very often in the “nobody touched him” category.

    • Trac

      I had the same thoughts on the injury doc. Jeff doesn’t realize life ain’t fair yet.

    • beninnorcal

      Doc, I think Jeff’s point is that preseason games are extra games outside of regular season and they raise the probability of injury. More games = higher chance of injury. I tend to agree.

      • Trac

        Remember, Doc is a mathematician. Odds are, he could just as easily have hurt it in practice. Preseason games really are just that, glorified scrimages/practices.

    • yeah, just look at Watkins, White, etc…got inj in practice. PRACTICE, actual practice.

      • BearDown100393

        Not a game. Practice. Talking about practice here. Practice. Practice.

    • Blur of Ions

      If the Packers have Jordy Nelson doing pass rush, that defense is in some serious trouble.

      • Doc Hamstring

        Yeah, I was referring to Houston there. Houston’s injury was a freak that happened on a “meaningless play” in a “meaningless game,” even though the game’s result counted in the standings.

        • BearDown100393

          It seemed pretty darn important to Lamarr!

  • AlbertInTucson

    Cobb was, technically, #2 for Green Bay last year but his numbers next to Nelsons make it look more like They were 1 and 1A so it’s easy to assume he has no problem as the #1.

    But you never know when a guy goes from the #2 to the #1.

    Rodgers has an AWFUL lot to do with that equation but he and Nelson were clearly on the same wavelength.

    Also, Packers starting guard, T.J. Lang, came out of today’s game after “Getting his bell rung”.

    Maybe he’s only out a week or too with a concussion but, then again, who knows?

    • Irish Sweetness

      But when the double-teams converge on Cobb ….

      • willbest

        They have the other Rodgers that was coming along last season in the tight end spot, but I don’t think it matters too much. Its clear that Rodgers made Jennings and Jones a lot better than they were, plus experienced WR seem pretty easy to come by if they need one.

        • they are ridiculously deep at WR. It will hurt a little bit, but won’t be a huge deal IMO. They can afford to lose Nelson more than Rodgers or any starting OT or OG. Probably Lacy too.

          • BerwynBomber

            Ridiculously deep? Cobb is a slot guy. There only other semi-proven wideout is Adams. After that their depth chart is comprised of rookies and no-names/PS guys.

          • they have a lot of talented guys there. Plus Rodgers, a great OL, and a really nice 1-2 punch at RB. Their offense will be just fine.

          • BerwynBomber

            They have two (Cobb and Adams). No one else of whom anyone knows. Frankly, right now we ARE deeper at WR (even when including White’s injury) if only because our 3rd — Wilson — has more experience/pedigree than whoever they will list at third.

            I do agree that Rodgers himself can offset that. He can probably make a couple of PS dudes look semi-competent. But Nelson was always his security blanket. Big loss.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Maybe.

        Then maybe that makes Davante Adams a star.

  • BerwynBomber

    Actually the Cheese are semi-lucky Rodgers wasn’t seriously injured on that safety he took. That was a pretty wicked hit/sandwich. Looked a little Johnny Knox-like: one guy coming from low behind, another dude coming high from the front.

    Considering the Steelers’ Pouncey broke his ankle, some significant carnage in that game.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Heard Pouncy went out. Hadn’t heard he broke an ankle. Ouch. He’s had a LOT of trouble staying onthe field,no?

      • Trac

        Aw shucks. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

    • willbest

      Is it too early to complain about having Big Ben on my fantasy team?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Speaking of injuries, it’s time for the (seemingly) annual ritual of watching Marquess Wilson come up lame.

    “Receiver Marquess Wilson’s right hamstring is fine. That’s what he repeatedly said after he pulled up on a long pass from Jay Cutler, clutched his hamstring in process and was deemed questionable to return. ‘It’s good,’ Wilson said after the Bears’ 23-11 exhibition win against the Colts at Lucas Oil Stadium on Saturday. ‘Everything is good.’…”

    “Everything is good”.

    That’s what the scouts told Custer on the morning of June 25, 1876.

    That’s what the lookouts on the Titanic told Captain Smith , 15 April, 1912.

    That’s what Neville Chamberlain told the Brits after Munich in 1938.

    Etc., etc., etc.

    Me? I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop on this hammy.

    • BearDown100393

      Everything was hunky dorey for Kevin White also. For all we know, Wilson has contracted flesh eating bacteria.

  • WhatDidTheFoxSay

    Cutler looking ballsy this year. Thanks for the inv to the fantasy league! I seen artoo is in there. Where the hell is he at? What’s his handle?

    • Irish Sweetness

      ‘Artoo’. As it should be.

    • willbest

      Cutler has never shied away from lowering the boom to make the play. He ruined a perfectly good season breaking his thumb by chasing down his own interception in 2011.

      He could win a Super Bowl, and he still wouldn’t out live the optics of the 2010 NFCC

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Disagree. He wins a SuperBowl and he owns Chicago.

        • BearDown100393

          Agreed. A Super Bowl victory and Chicago will be renamed Don’t Care.

    • In Da League, he goes by Forte4MVPArtoo.
      Can’t miss him. Cool. See you in da league.
      Just waiting for MBHP to check his damn email, and it’s ready to roll.

      The draft will likely be this Sat right after the 3rd Bears PS game, so keep it clear, yo.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Eh, Jordy doesn’t look too hurt there ….

  • Irish Sweetness

    We’re a half yard shy of joint-second rushing team in the NFL. Eagles first. GB 21st. Not too shabby.

  • The GP

    Must I remind you….must I????

    Buy the fucking dip.

    • willbest

      So 10-11k? I was convinced Obama’s lackeys and that old Crone at the Fed would have pushed the next recession off into the next presidency.

      • The GP

        PPT has already parachuted in. It’s being played as “money on the sidelines”. It’s not.

        Be kinda funny if Dow ends today in the green.

        • willbest

          Well it flirted with Green getting up to something like minus 160, but away we go again.

    • Scharfinator

      What do you think will rebound?

      • The GP

        Actually I’m just half-joking. The video above tells the story of the last 5 years: QE and more QE.

        And yet, with all the QE going on – we still seem to get into flash crashes which, to my mind, are triggered by algos when we hit liquidity traps. How can we have shit liquidity with all this free money being printed?

        Well, that’s a complex story for somebody else to tell. Maybe Trac. He loves this stuff.

        • Trac

          Lol. I’m no expert either but I do know keeping an artifical low interest rate is the absolute wrong way to fix the economy. No telling when the bottoms gonna fall out. I don’t think the world banking system knows either.

        • SC Dave

          The banksters are not loaning the money.

  • The GP

    Good on Biggsy

    He looks like he’s been opting for the peanut butter and banana sammiches rather than the quarter pounders with cheese. You go Biggsy! We love you man! Stay healthy! (he’s in the embedded video)

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/ct-chicago-bears-offense-rosenbloom-20150824-column.html

    • BerwynBomber

      Paywall for we of the proletariat.

      • willbest

        Did they fix clicking through twitter yet? Another way that used to work was to disable scripts.

  • Scharfinator

    Ratliff got caught juicing. Missing first 3 games. Why’d he have to go and get caught? No one else does.

  • The GP

    Jeff – here are my questions for Adam:

    Are we seriously going to go into a season with Rolle, Mundy and Amos? With Vereen? Are you serious?
    We will get lit for 40 a game over the top if we don’t shore up at safety. Agree?

    What is the deal with Fuller? Is he just not a shutdown corner or what?

    Who is the leader on D with Peanut and Briggs gone? Allen? Rat?

    How about that Shae story? Chicken Coop to riches? Why didn’t everyone else see the kid was a ILB at heart?

    How big is the upgrade from Garza to Monty? Because we think it’s big.

    Is it too soon to declare O’Donnell a bust?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      i haven’t watched much of the preseason games. are we more man to man with our DBs? if so is that what Fuller is having issues with?

      • The GP

        He’s just out of position against deep routes. He’s a step slow.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          thanks, seems like i am only catching the 2nd half of games so i havent seen the starters, mainly because my cable sucks.

      • I never expected Fuller to be a shut-down corner. That’s too much to ask out of most CBs.

        How many true shut-down corners are there? Only two, perhaps. Revis, Sherman, and even they get beat one-on-one occasionally. (and they’re not as shut down as Deon, so it’s all relative).

        I’m not as worried about Fuller as some others. He played well last yr, esp for a rook, before the nagging injuries.

        He shows me competitive fire, and a knack for turnovers ala Peanut.

        Many of us forget that Peanut sucked moosewang at the start too (anyone remember Steve Smith burning us for 200?)

        I think Fuller will improve. CB take a while to learn.

        The only concern I reserve for him is if he’s “inj prone”.

        That being said, I read that Fangio demands great trail-technique from his CBs, and Fuller def needs to clean that up (most “big” CBs do typically).

        As for man-to-man, it’s hard to say.

        Fangio is not exactly dialing up exotic blitzes in the PS, which typically requires man coverage. And typically, many teams call heavy man for the 2nd3rd teamers to evaluate if they indeed can handle it.

        Mitchell and McManis have also shown some chops at CB. Don’t forget we actually have Allen Ball too, an experienced CB.

        Nice insurance in case Jennings is done.

    • Trac

      Jeff’s gonna tell you he slotted CD as an ILB from the get go. He actually did if I recall.

      • The GP

        I think we all called for Shae to be at MLB for about the last two years.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          there are quite a few posters that argued heavily that players can’t switch positions and be successful.

      • The GP

        Also when Jeff says he will use the “best couple”, what he means is that he will use none of my questions.

        • Trac

          Hahaha. He actually takes our poking at him very well.

        • He’ll say, “I have read you queries, decided my questions are much more interesting.

          Question #1. Is Cutler merely a great player, or is he a great player who also enjoys football and life with a gusto and je n sais quois reserved only for mythic bards…

  • AlbertInTucson
  • Jeff. Adam Questions.

    1. What are the realistic options at RT? Can’t possibly ride with Mills or Leno.
    Why not put Grassu at OG and move over Long to RT, now, before it’s too late?

    2. Is Acho (aka, N’Acho Libre) making the cut?

    3. Who will get left out of musical chairs? Washington, Bass, Sutton?

    4. Who will be the CBs in week 1?

    5. Which WR has impressed you most out of the three: Bellamy, Lawrence, Meredith?

    6. Will Fabuluje or Terry Williams make the 53 or be snuck into the practice squad?

    • Trac

      There may be an answer to #1 but Jahn’s will have to rub the Ole crystal ball on the rest of those. Who knows?

  • My boy Mettenburg looking good. We need to give them a 4rth/5th and get him in our system NOW.

    We can trade Fales for a 5th/6th to the Pats who apparently pined for him.

  • Trac

    I only have one question oh great swammi.

    Can the Bears find a WR to add to the roster that’s still worth a crap this late in the game?

    And please gents, no crystal ball questions, and no Uncle Larry questions that can be googled in 5 seconds, Mmkay.

    • BearDown100393

      Sanzenbacher

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