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Thoughts on the John Fox, Ryan Pace Combine Pressers

| February 18th, 2015

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FOX

  • John Fox was noncommittal on the future of Jay Cutler. He was asked point-blank if Cutler was his quarterback moving forward and balked. It is February 18th. We are less than a month from free agency. How many teams with a “franchise” quarterback would not endorse him as the starter today? Yes it’s possible Fox does not have enough information on Cutler to this point but what exactly is he going to learn between now and free agency or the draft? Will Cutler have an opportunity to blow Fox away at OTAs? Will the Bears be willing to risk millions of dollars on that development?
  • Fox made is quite clear that if Brandon Marshall will be on the Chicago Bears in 2015 he will not be on Inside the NFL. His money quote: “Our focus needs to be on football.” This is a drastic departure from the previous head coach.
  • The Bears are switching to a 3-4 base for all you 3-4/4-3 junkies out there.
  • Fox knows he is taking over a defense lacking in talent. When pressed about building blocks on that side of the ball he struggled to mention anyone other than Kyle Fuller.
  • Fox started to get frustrated during his short presser with the number of ways the press asked him the EXACT SAME question about Cutler. This wasn’t on the Chicago media. This was on the whole of the NFL media attending this moronic event.
  • The Bears want Josh McCown back in Chicago. McCown fits to a tee the type of quarterback Fox has utilized in his first year with a team needing rejuvenation: limited ability but  great leadership qualities. If the Bears are targeting a quarterback in this draft (or a young player at the bottom of somebody else’s roster), McCown is a far better choice to help groom that young talent than Cutler.
  • Seemed to be little desire on Fox’s part to leave door open for Lance Briggs and Charles Tillman to return.

The takeaway…

On offense, Fox has to determine whether his supremely talented quarterback and receiver fit in with the locker room he’s trying to build. On defense, Fox has to find players. He doesn’t have many now.

PACE

  • Pace stated Bears would “maximize time” they take to make decision on Cutler. This would lead me to think the decision will be made before the next big chunk of cash is guaranteed.
  • Pace strongly reiterated the organization’s new belief that Brandon Marshall will not be partaking in his extracurricular activities any longer. Pace making it very clear that Dan Bernstein’s reporting Marshall was out in Chicago were and continue to be dog shit.
  • Pace is really the opposite of Phil Emery. No buzzwords. No mantras. Matter of fact. Deliberate.
  • Pace was asked if Josh McCown could be a starter or backup in the NFL. His response? “Either.” This leads me to strongly believe McCown was told at his morning meeting with the Bears that he’d have an opportunity to be the starter in 2015.
  • I’d be surprised if the Bears don’t leave the first round of the coming draft with a pass rusher.
  • Pace stated Kyle Long could play “multiple positions on the offensive line”. Does this open the door for him to move outside to tackle? If the Bears believe this is where his future lies they should make the move before they arrive in Bourbonnais.
  • Pace did not hesitate when asked about Jared Allen. He called him “flexible” and certainly expects him on the team this season.

The takeaway…

For the first time during this process I believe Jay Cutler may not be the Bears quarterback in 2015.

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  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    FIRST BITCHES.

  • BerwynBomber

    “The Bears want Josh McCown back in Chicago. McCown fits to a tee the type of quarterback Fox has utilized in his first year with a team needing rejuvenation: limited ability but great leadership qualities. If the Bears are targeting a quarterback in this draft (or a young player at the bottom of somebody else’s roster), McCown is a far better choice to help groom that young talent than Cutler.”

    Blogfather — is this your opinion or from a source?

    I’m not a huge fan of it. Don’t see McCown turning into Jake Dehlomme (well the good Jake D). There are better bridge/back-up guys out there, though the point about McCown as a potential tutor is valid. Plus, if Bears are truly moving on from Cutty, Pace and company will want someone who can truly threaten him as a bridge guy — Sanchez, Locker, Glennon, Austin Davis, etc. McCown only provides Cutty job security. He is deferential to him to a fault.

    • I think he was talking about McCown as a bridge competing with a rookie if they trade Cutler. Can also be a solid backup to mentor a young QB who you might draft later on to groom for a few years (or Fales).

      • BerwynBomber

        Got it. And also gleaned from his “Pace” bullets that it was more his suspicion than sourced.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Then why did he write : “This leads me to strongly believe McCown was told at his morning meeting with the Bears that he’d have an opportunity to be the starter in 2015.” ?

        And … “Pace stated Bears would “maximize time” they take to make decision on Cutler.” means “we’ll be shopping Jay around until we get that top ten pick”.

        I don’t think all the management changes were so that we could go to war with the same QB we’ve been using and failing with. If they’re serious about winning then they need to move on from the guy who has not done his job under center. Before anyone points at TD passes, point at the turnovers first.

        Ditching Jay Christopher gets us some more ammo in the draft and allows a large wound to begin to heal. I think Pace is smart enough to see that, and the body language from the first presser said as much. I truly hope they have the balls to go with a game manager under center and pump up the defense. Keeping Jay around just strangles any development. The smoke signals are there. He’s gone.

    • BearDown100393

      The Bears new management simply flirty with Josh McCown somewhat validates Marc Trestman…

      • BerwynBomber

        Funny thought …

  • John Doe

    Kevin Seifert @SeifertESPN
    Only thing that could change w/ Jay Cutler between now and season is his contract. Bears’ eval of situation should be complete otherwise.

    —-

    Is this about making Cutler take a pay cut?5m

    • BerwynBomber

      Can’t see Cutler doing that and can’t blame him for not wanting to.

      • John Doe

        Then may be there is some trade interest. We will know by March 10 for sure.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I don’t see how cutting his salary makes him a better QB. Be gone.

      There’s no way that there is not one team in the NFL who doesn’t want Cutler, and is willing to pay handsomely, or at least take on the contract and give us their first. The Titans and the Jets are obvious candidates. And if it’s the Titans, we get Leonard Williams. Moving him to DE in the 3-4 …. we draft Shelton at #7 (or move back) giving us a near unblockable D-line, making all our defensive backfield woes seem to just disappear. Jared moves to OLB and we have trade bait for our DTs.

      If it’s the Jets that cough up for Cutty then we take Shelton and Collins, ‘too high’ be damned. Get too smart and trade down, we risk losing the guys we’re trading down for.

      And that, my ursine friends, is how we get the Monsters back.

  • I still think it’s most likely Cutler is Chicago’s starting QB in 2015. The comments today didn’t really change that much for me. Never thought it was 100% for sure and still don’t, but still think it’s most likely.

    • John Doe

      Disagree. It is bad news for Cutler if they are still not willing to commit even after more than a month since taking jobs with Bears.

      And especially so considering how obvious it is, according to you and many others, that there are no better options.

      If there are no better options, why play this game with Jake Cutler?

      • what benefit do they gain from committing now? They’re keeping their options open for a trade, in the draft, etc. Financially, it still makes the most sense for Cutler to be on the roster the next 2 years, unless somebody is willing to trade for him now. Committing to him right now does nothing but kill a potential trade market.

        • John Doe

          If they think he is really good and provides best option to win, why would they keep options on trade?

          • there is no doubt in my mind he provides the best option to win in 2015. He’s a better player than Sanchez, Hoyer, McCown, etc.

            But if they’re thinking long-term, then trading him for a 2nd round pick plus conditional could make sense.

          • My tune on Cutler has not changed in the last several months: he’s an average QB who you can either win or lose with. He’s overpaid, but he’s still Chicago’s best on-field option for the near future.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agree on your “average” estimation of Cutler BUT money plays a HUGE role in the evaluation of him. If you can unload that contract and, say, sign Hoyer for 5M, you have 10M+ (this year alone) to invest elsewhere. I’m sure Pace is thinking this.

          • Agreed. But the money is only saved if they trade him, not cut (at least for this year). And money is not really an issue this year.

            I would be fine with a trade if they can get a solid draft pick (or picks) in exchange. I could see that being an option, but they might have trouble finding a suitor who can make it work financially.

            I also don’t think it’s likely he gets traded, which I have said since Fox was hired. They didn’t hire a 60 year old coach to start over, IMO.

          • John Doe

            May be the 60 year old coach does not want a QB who mopes when things start going bad and is unable to lead the offense.

            May be the 60 year old coach knows that QB position is not just how far you can chuck the ball or how much zip you put on the ball.

            May be the 60 year old coach thinks the best thing to do would be to get rid of Cutler.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think they hired a 60 year old coach with exactly that in mind. Starting over. That D-roster is a scratch, there’s maybe two guys on the OL worth a damn, and we have one RB (or others that are being thwarted by a suspect OL).

          • John Doe

            If they trade him or cut him, then in Fox and Pace’s mind Jake Cutler is not the best option to win.

          • here’s a fact that might shock you: teams can think beyond just the immediate future when weighing moves.

            If they want to win in 2015, Jay Cutler is their best option, barring a miracle in the draft a la Russell Wilson.

            If they want to establish the best possible team long-term, it is possible that trading Jay Cutler for a pick or two could be their best option, and I would be just fine with that.

            In no scenario is straight cutting Jay Cutler a good option.

          • John Doe

            that is your thinking. You are not Fox or Pace. You thought Emery should have been retained too.

          • I actually wrote an article about a month before Emery was fired examining all of his main moves and coming to the conclusion I would be fine with him being retained or fired, but ok.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I haven’t heard anybody on here mention cutting Jay. That would be stupid.

          • FourFeathers

            Cutler doesn’t have a future in Chicago. The only thing that keeps him in town in 2015 is his contract. And even then Pace / Fox might decide to bite the bullet and dump Cutler for a box of sideline paint. Sanchez would be an OK “bridge” guy until a new long-term answer at QB can be drafted / signed and developed. Pace has said that the strategy at QB he believes in is that you keep trying to find one until you get it right…so keep drafting, keep signing guys off the scrap heap, keep trading for guys whatever until you find the right guy.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yep that is the Ron Wolf strategy: bring a young, new QB every year. Hell, they did that even with Favre entrenched as the starter. It is smart. Keep rolling the dice.

          • BerwynBomber

            I would debate Sanchez. He was better than Cutler last year and has played well in some huge games in the past.

            Or to put it another way, if Cutler is better I don’t think the gap is very large: the money saved would outweigh the productivity lost.

          • Sanchez played in the most QB-friendly system in the NFL last year and still had 14TD/14 turnovers. It was also the first time in his career that he posted a passer rating above 80. He is not a starting NFL QB; Cutler is.

          • BerwynBomber

            Really? Sanchez also is 4-2 lifetime in the playoffs with four road playoff wins and even in one of the two losses he played well.

            Again, Sanchez (at worst) is only a cut below Cutler. The difference is slight. And he is a few years younger.

          • Cutting Cutler only saves $3M, which would go (and then some) to Sanchez. If they trade him, Sanchez could definitely be a bridge-type guy.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair enough. And I would have to think long and hard about cutting Cutler (as opposed to trading him). I more or less agree with you that there are no better options on the market (in term of productivity and chances to win) unless one of the younger FA guys — Glennon, Davis, Locker — really progress the next few years.

            Most of the more veteran guys are known entities at this point.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I can’t believe we’re seriously taling about Sanchize here. He’s not good, and I don’t care what his sats were this year. The eyeball test. He’s a pretty boy jock who shits the bed under pressure.

            Glennon/Fitzy plus Fales …re-sign Clausen. Top up on picks and hit that draft with a defensive hard-on, picking up a good OT if possible.

            We need to switch off Jay’s Life-support machine, sooner rater than later.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We need more than starting caliber, we need a winner. In no way shape or form is Jay Cutler a winner. His HS, college and professional career to date scream that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            A. Who cares about winning in 2015? This team is in rebuild mode.

            B. We can’t win with Jay. He won’t let us. He knows better than everyone else and won’t listen.

            C. We gave up two firsts and a third for him, so we’d better be holding out for a first.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I disagree with you. It’s bad news for the Bears. For Cutler… not really.

    • BerwynBomber

      Tend to agree but also think his job security will be on very thin ice. That is why I don’t buy the Josh McCown return. A) McCown is the past. B) He doesn’t really threaten Cutler.

      My guess is they look for a younger bridge guy (think 30 or under) and either draft a QB this year or give Fales a more serious look in camp.

      • I think McCown is their guy if they end up trading Cutler. Otherwise I would be pretty surprised if they sign him.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Why would we take McCown and not Glennon – I like McCown as a dude, but he’s up there in years.

          • because McCown is available as a FA while TB would likely only give up Glennon in exchange for a draft pick.

          • Ososfan

            And he’s also not that good of a QB….

          • Irish Sweetness

            Based on playing the first two years of his career with a sucky team?

  • BearDown100393

    Jake Cutler does not care about being the starting quarterback or the backup. Either way, he will earn the same salary.

  • I also think you can’t overlook the fact that Fox and Pace are sending a message with their comments. Remember, Fox is trying to change the tone of the locker room. By refusing to commit to two of Chicago’s biggest names (and biggest contracts), he’s putting every single player on notice that their jobs are on the line too.

    • BearDown100393

      Fox is also slyly forming an alliance with that locker room regarding those two players.

  • FourFeathers

    So my takeaways? Jared Allen and Willie Young don’t fit the new defense. And Brandon Marshall had best quit that TV show, shut his mouth and get back to the business of football or he is very soon to be an ex-Bear.

    • FourFeathers

      My further and most important takeaway? That Fox and Pace aren’t going with shortcuts. The patient needs full surgery and not a band-aid, and that full surgery is going to start this offseason even if it means sacrificing a few potential wins in the 2015 football season. I like it and it is the way to go. Lets stop pretending and do this thing.

      • BerwynBomber

        I agree in theory but the whole blow it up and start-from-scratch thing is tougher to do in football than other sports.

        • FourFeathers

          I am pleasantly impressed with Pace. He seems highly objective and, I believe, recognizes the Bears have talent gaps all over the place. Regardless the offensive or defensive scheme in place. And he’s got some ugly distractions in Cutler and Marshall, regardless how much any of us protest to the contrary that both are swell guys and can be part of the future in Chicago. I don’t think he can or will dump Cutler, but I’m increasingly convinced Marshall is gone. I think we are about to see a massive purge. And I friggin like it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Our passing game goes in the shitter if we trade Brandon IMHO. AJ gets bracketed and what then? Brandon was angry we were losing. I didn’t see anyone else get angry – good on him.

        • John Doe

          I don’t care what people call it – a blow up or start from scratch – but please get rid of those who are a net negative for the team.

          If those include Cutler and Marshall, then get rid of them by all means.

        • yep. MLB and NHL have minor leagues where you can stockpile talent. NBA has far higher value on the top draft pick(s) than NFL, as they are pretty much the only way to land a true franchise player in the draft.

        • FourFeathers

          What’s the alternative? It has been sadly proven that the Bears have talent gaps all over the place. And it’s further been proven that consistently successful teams build through the draft primarily, and leverage free agency as the secondary building tool. Lets face it…the Bears need a crap ton of talent upgrades regardless the new offensive and defensive schemes implemented.

      • I hope that turns out to be true. One of my big fears with the Fox/Pace hirings. Pace comes from a NO team that keeps mortgaging the future for the now (financially), and Fox is a 60 year old coach who I worried would put the now over the future.

        • FourFeathers

          John Fox is a healthy and fit 60 year old man. Nothing to get in the way of him coaching another 5 plus seasons if he so chooses AND the team progresses to the point it needs to do once full surgery starts. Fox doesn’t have to win in 2015. So lets get on with it.

          • BearDown100393

            He has a cardiac condition that required a valve replacement in 2013.

          • FourFeathers

            So what. Seriously, the man is a very fit and active 60 year old. He’s going to be here for awhile assuming the rebuilding process works and this team starts to significantly win football games in a couple seasons. It’s bull to suggest Fox is in a win-now mode….he isn’t stupid and knows what he got himself into in Chicago. And Pace would not have hired him to be a temporary bridge.

          • BerwynBomber

            Not to dismiss such a serious surgery and ailment but more and more heart surgery patients are living longer and more normal lives, though yes, an HC in the NFL is obviously a very stressful and demanding profession.

            Still, HC at a major college football program is also a highly demanding profession and Mark D’antonio had a heart attack a few years back but I would hire him in an instant pending a recent check-up from his cardiologist.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Meaning that condition is no longer a problem and he’s feeling a lot better ?

            Ditka had a heart attack mid-season and was back a week later if I’m not mistaken. Our problem is how to acquire draft picks by ridding ourselves of Cutler, not what may or may not happen to John Fox’s ticker.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I don’t think Fox feels 60. He knows he has three-four years to turn it around and go to the dance.

    • BearDown100393

      IMHO #15 is already a Raven.

  • FourFeathers

    The thing that really stinks is the contract Phil Emery gave Jared Allen. Because Allen no longer fits anything in Chicago and is in steep decline anyway, but my goodness the cap hit the Bears need to take if they release him. Gulp.

    • his cap situation sucks in 2015 because it was really good (only $3M) in 2014. Fit in pretty well with similar contracts for similar players like Julius Peppers and DeMarcus Ware, who all got basically 2 year/$16M deals.

      • BerwynBomber

        But GB gave themselves more of an out with Pep than we did with Allen. Peppers’ guaranteed money is $7.5M. Allen is $15M.

        • Allen was coming off a better season, but yeah. He has a similar high cap hit this year and could be a cut candidate in GB.

          • BerwynBomber

            I would think GB would re-structure Pep but I thought they should have done the same with Woodson a few years back and as far as I know it was never a serious consideration.

          • John Doe

            The word is Peppers will be cut.

          • BerwynBomber

            So explain this to me: if a team has paid out the guaranteed money on an existing contract as is the case with Pep and was the case with Woodson a few year back can said team and player mutually agree to tear up the paper of the “empty” contract and draft a new one before the free agency deadline?

            I just never understood why the Cheese never re-negotiated with Woodson considering that he made peanuts on the open market and their own S corps were next to dreadful for a couple of years after he left. You know, take a one year flyer on the guy as the Bears did with Tillman.

          • they can sign an “extension” that basically replaces the old contract. They can also force a player into a pay cut.

            But nothing will rearrange cap hits from $$ that has already been paid (signing or roster bonuses).

          • BerwynBomber

            So technically they can’t sign a new contract or if they do the previously existing contract’s cap hit #s still apply?

          • there are different types of “guaranteed $$.”

            What’s important is the dead money if a player is cut. If the Bears cut Brandon Marshall today, that would be something around $6M, but his “guaranteed money” is around $13M, because his 2015 salary is guaranteed, but only if he’s on the roster on March 12.

            That $6M is the cap hits left from the signing bonus he got. He received that money already last offseason, but it was spread throughout the contract. So only a portion of it is added to the 2015 cap, but if they cut him, it all accelerates to the 2015 cap (unless they designate him a June 1 cut, in which case half of it goes to the 2015 cap and half to 2016).

            Look at what the Bears did with Cutler last year to make the Allen signing work: they took $5M of his 2014 salary and turned it into a signing bonus. So they paid him that $5M on the spot, but it spread out over the 2014-2018 cap, with $1M applied to each year. Saved them $4M on the 2014 cap, but Cutler still got his money, even a little earlier. (this is why it always cracks me up to hear people call athletes “team players” for doing that type of restructure. They’re just getting paid earlier and increasing their guaranteed money).

            TL/DR: NFL contracts are confusing.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I thought if Allen was on our roster in April then we have to pay him 11 million ?

  • John Doe

    I prefer Hoyer over McCown. Let’s see if Bears meet with his agent at the combine.

    From Rotoworld:

    Brian Hoyer – QB – Browns

    The Browns have yet to meet with free agent Brian Hoyer, and have begun “sniffing around” free agent Josh McCown.

    Per ESPN Cleveland’s Tony Grossi, the Browns and Hoyer have begun “drifting apart.” McCown would be a downgrade from Hoyer, and going to Cleveland almost certainly wouldn’t be McCown’s first choice. Even for as limited a talent as Hoyer is, he would still be the Browns’ best quarterback option for 2015.

    • BerwynBomber

      Meh. I would look at Sanchez, Glennon, Locker and Davis (off the top of my head) before Hoyer.

      • John Doe

        Sanchez is not a leader. He was Cutler-like in the Jets locker room. Both Fox and Pace value leadership and other intangibles far more in the QB position.

        So I don’t see Bears pursuing Sanchez at all.

        • BerwynBomber

          They may not. I was only talking personal preference.

      • Irish Sweetness

        There’s zero love for Ryan Fitz on here ? Dude threw six TD passes in one game this year. Don’t think Jay ever got close to that.

        • Bender McLugh

          Jay had 4 TD’s in a game twice as a Bear – 2010 vs. PHI & 2014 vs. SF.

          CORRECTION: 4 times, he also closed the 2009 season with 4 TD’s the last two games.

  • Rams double-downed on Bradford. Skins on RGKnee.
    Even the Browns will give rehabbing Manziel a shot this year.

    Cutler? Meh.

    If Cutler actually cared, it might bother him.

    But please, no McCown. I mean, if it’s McCown as a cheap mentor to another young QB (Clausen, Fales, Locker, Grayson? etc), then yeah, but not as a “bridge” QB.

    • one big difference in those 3 franchises: Rams and Redskins have same HC/GM as last year. Bears do not.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Fales could be pretty sharp. The little I saw I liked.

  • “Evaluating Cutler” – Translation – “Ding ding ding – come one, come all, the bidding has commenced”

    “Moving to a 3-4” Translation – “Ding ding ding – firesale here, we got ourselves a fire sale. Want a Hillybilly DE?”

    • FourFeathers

      Yep. My assessment is that Ryan Pace and John Fox are going into full-scale rebuilding mode. Marshall is as good as gone. Allen and Young don’t fit. Cutler might be gone. A stopgap QB will be brought in if Cutler is gone. Going to probably draft a DE or edge rusher at LB high in the draft.

    • GPLDAN

      “I think just getting to know him. I think everybody’s got perceptions, but I think [it’s] getting to know the guy. This is a relationship business and you know it takes time. I’m not going to stand up here and give you a final evaluation when I’m maybe a 1/4 through the test.”

      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/18/john-fox-says-hes-still-learning-deciding-about-jay-cutler/

      A quarter of the way through the test? Is it a Rorschach test? Every defense formation blob he shows him Jay says “a vagina”.

      I’d love to see the John Fox evaluation matrix.

      • John Doe

        The decision has been made on Cutler and Marshall.

        They just don’t see the point in announcing the decision now.

        It can’t possibly be true that they really don’t know how they feel about the guys with two of the biggest contracts on the team.

      • They’re just acting diplomatically. They know which way they’re leaning, but they can’t say, “Jake Cutler is not our QB.”

        1. Craigslist economics. When you post, “I gotta move out of my apt today. Everything’s gotta go!” Well, Craig, I’m buying that collection of clown shoes for $1.

        2. Draft. In the crazy event that Mariotta or Winston falls to #5-6, if other teams believe Cutler is our starting QB, they may not jump us to draft said QBs.

        Or even in the later rounds, for say Grayson.

        Also, I would pay good money to see Cutler and a Rorscharch test.
        “What do you see, Jay?”
        Jay, texting, “What? I see a honeybadger smoking a cigarette while banging an armadillo.”

        • Cutler’s status on the roster will be decided well before the draft, thanks to the March 12 deadline that guarantees $10M for 2016. Both he and Marshall will be on the Bears in 2015 if they are still on the roster on March 12.

          • Yeah, I just remembered the deadline. But they would still be able to trade either, right, and the trading team would have to pay the remainder of his contract?

            (The bonuses are obviously on the Bears, but I don’t care about Billionaires losing a few mil)

          • yeah, I suppose a trade could happen after that, and I don’t think it would impact Chicago’s cap.

          • John Doe

            Don’t forget the offset clause in Cutler contract.

            If Bears simply cut Cutler before March 12 and some team signs him up for $8 million for 2015, Bears will only owe him $15million – $8million = $7 million in 2015. And the 2016 guaranteed $10 million would go away.

      • BearDown100393

        A Head Coach building a relationship with Jake Cutler is on par with befriending mumps, measles and rubella.

      • Bender McLugh

        LOL “a vagina”. Classic.

  • Seeing Aaron Donald on NFL network talking about ROY just kills me.

    We couldn’t trade up ONE fucking spot? I know it’s early, but damn.

    I guess he would no longer fit our scheme? Arians looks like Uncle Fester?

    • BerwynBomber

      Though Fuller eases that pain somewhat. He looks like a potentially solid ten year starter guy provided he is not chronically injured.

      • Fuller looked phenomenal before the injury. He won that 9er game almost singlehandledly. Fuller also showed some fire later in the season when everyone was just collecting checks.

        But I think a knock on him was that he was a little “soft” and “inj prone” coming out of college. Hopefully, neither are the case.

        • it wasn’t just the turnovers early… he bested Kelvin Benjamin and Julio Jones before getting hurt. Those are no small feats.

        • Johnnywad

          He played with a broken hand and hip pointer half the season. He’s definitely not soft.

  • John Doe

    To me this sums it up well. John Fox was effusive in his praise for Josh McCown and could barely say ‘Cutler’ in the press conference.

    Adam Jahns @adamjahns · 3h3 hours ago

    Most interesting thing from #Bears coach John Fox today: public support and compliments for Josh McCown but none really for Jay Cutler.

    • So many coaches linked with Cutler have been fired, that even verbalizing his name is akin to whispering “Bloody Mary” 3 times in the mirror.

      • GPLDAN

        Rumpelstiltskin dooooooooooooon’t care.

    • FourFeathers

      Neither Cutler or Marshall are part of the future for Pace / Fox. Marshall is already gone. The question becomes do the Bears tolerate Cutler for one more season for the simple reason his contract is horrific. But then again, this daliance with McCown suggests they may be willing to say bye-bye to Cutler right now and would be OK with McCown being a stopgap on a 2015 team that is going to lose big regardless?!? Maybe they think they CAN get at least a low round draft pick for Cutler?!?

      • John Doe

        They might cut Cutler before March 12.

        If Bears simply cut Cutler before March 12 and some team signs him up for $8 million for 2015, Bears will only owe him $15million – $8million = $7 million in 2015. And the 2016 guaranteed $10 million would go away.

        If they save $8million that is enough to sign McCown for $3-4 million and get another player in free agency like the Raiders Center Wisnewski or ILB Wilhoite from SF or Bruce Carter from Dallas.

        The question then will be:

        Which NFL city will the Cutlers will be bringing their un-vaccinated pups next?

        • BearDown100393

          London expansion franchise

      • “Marshall is already gone”

        Based on what, exactly?

        • The fifth feather.

          • SC Dave

            + several blog points at least. My favorite snarky comment in a while. Thanks, Butch!

        • John Doe

          Based on the fact that Marsahll said last week, after he had already met Pace and Fox, that he will do the Inside the NFL show and that the show is important to him.

          Based on the fact that John Fox said today he would rathter that any player, regardless of who it is, focus on playing football only.

          They have met, they talked, and they agreed to disagree. And part ways.

          You can pretend all you want. This is not about how good a WR Marshall is.

          • Marshall said he wanted to do the show. Fox said he wanted his guys to focus on football. Definitely disagreement there.

            Not enough to state “Marshall is already gone” as if it is a fact.

          • John Doe

            Ok. keep pretending.

            Marshall, if he was keen to stay in Chicago, would have come out of the meeting and dropped the show and focused on the new playbook. Not doubling down on doing the show he knows the new coach does not want him to do. Why would he do that and antagonize the new coach? Except he knows he is moving on..

          • Were you in this meeting? Do you know that Marshall isn’t focusing on the team? Do you have any clue what was actually said between Fox/Pace and Marshall?

            I’m not saying that Marshall will be a Bear in 2015. But to say with certainty that he will not is not supportable at this point. It’s an opinion, so quit stating an opinion as a fact. This is not a first-time issue with you, if you recall from our discussion last week.

          • John Doe

            Once again, all the evidence, clues from interviews point to Marshall being gone.

            There are almost no clues, evidence that he is going to be a Bear in 2015.

            I do not ignore evidence and clues.

          • funny, Jeff looks at the exact same evidence and came to the opposite conclusion. Point being nobody knows right now, so talking like you do is dumb.

          • FourFeathers

            “My” opinion is that Brandon Marshall is 100% gone. You are entitled to your assessment of things.

          • BearDown100393

            Marshall might not be with the team. Or Marshall will be. Yes there is circumstantial evidence to support he will not be back. However that is not written in stone as absolute fact. Like nearly everything else presented here, it is an opinion.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Well said. Another fear of mine is that they do keep Cutty but ditch Brandon because of any bad blood between them and they want a clean locker room. A double-fuck.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yeah, he’s not going with some dumb show over his football team. My fear is that something did go sour in his bromance with Cutty,and that it’s not getting fixed. We need BM around a lot more than the other guy.

  • Man, I wish there were a major in college called “General Managing for the NFL”. I would have totally majored in that.

    That being said, the Browns have bigger buyer’s remorse about Manziel than Frye does buying aisle suishi from a truck-stop.

    So, we need to wrap Cutler in a bow-tie, and deliver him to Cleveland for their 19th overall, and some future conditional pick.

    If they want the #7, and we get both their #12 and #19, that could be in play too.

    • closest thing would probably be a sports economics major, or something along those lines.

      • SC Dave

        I seem to recollect seeing guys majoring in “sports administration”. But maybe that’s just made up for the “student” athletes.

    • Some GM innovations I might propose.

      1. Hiring an FBI body language expert full time. That way, when coaches and GMs go on TV right now, lying through their teeth, well, I got a human BS detector letting me know what’s really up, and I can plan accordingly.

      2. Yes, using a Rocharch test on potential players. How can their agents prepare their clients for that!?
      Also, whatever else they tried on Hannibal Lector.

      3. Own a full time car service, and MAKE the players use it when they go out to party. It will be written in their contracts. The drivers will keep it all hush-hush, complete confidentiality.

      • Just hire each player a personal driver who they must use between the hours of 6pm and 5 am. Easier.

      • BearDown100393

        Doesn’t the NFL/NFL teams already provide a transport service upon request?

      • Irish Sweetness

        There are great body-language videos on YT. FBI/CIA guys giving up the good stuff too. That’s why Pace in his first presser gave up the goods on Cutty. When he was asked his first question on Cutty he grabbed his right sleeve. The tell – he was about to lie. I think his response was we’ll evaluate Jay blah blah blah, which implies that they have already evaluated him – over the last, I don’t know, 9 years? He gone.

    • BerwynBomber

      Browns and Bears will talk but can’t see Cleveland coughing up a first-rounder for Cutty.

    • AlbertInTucson

      A #12 and a #19 for the #7. I should say SO!

      But I think you are dreaming.

  • Where degenerate gamblers and draftniks meet.

    We mention this with the news that online sports book Bovada.lv has set the Over-Under on the fastest 40 at the 2015 Scouting Combine at 4.28 seconds. The Over and Under are set at the same odds.

  • John Doe

    ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk · 41m41 minutes ago
    Mike Pettine supports Johnny Manziel in his rehab, but the team’s still looking for a starting quarterback http://wp.me/p14QSB-9I7p

    Mike Pettine, we have a starting QB for you…

    • GPLDAN

      “We had the same information everyone else in the League had. It turns out to be a deeper-rooted thing that we thought.”

      I’m going with daddy issues.

      • BearDown100393

        Wind Up Toy – Alice Cooper

  • GPLDAN

    He wanted the pool pump so his pool hose would be…..

    you know it’s coming….

    Under Pressure! Ice Ice baby!

    http://www.etonline.com/news/159921_vanilla_ice_arrested_for_home_burglary/

  • BerwynBomber

    So did Mannelly get an announcing gig with one of the networks? Not happy with the return of Goff (always thought he sucked) but haven’t listened to that time slot since McNeil left.

  • GPLDAN
  • John Doe

    Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 5h5 hours ago

    NFL notified teams today that it expects this year’s salary cap to be between $140 and $143 million, at least $1.5M higher than projected.

    dan durkin @djdurkin · 5h5 hours ago

    As it stands, the #Bears have 51 players under contract for 2015, totaling $113.8M, that do5 esn’t account for their $1.545M carryover credit.

    —–

    Bears situation:

    Let’s say final cap number is $142 million.

    Bears have committed $114 million. That leaves $28 million plus $1.5 million credit for a total of $29.5 million.

    $29.5 million – $5million for draft – $2.5 million for in season emergencies = $22 million for 2015 free agency.

    Bears can do a lot with $22 million in 4 weeks as the free agency begins. And if they manage to trade Cutler or Marshall or both, then they will be swimming in cap space.

  • John Doe

    Dan Bernstein2m
    As was hinted by noncommittal words today, I’m told the #Bears are gauging the trade market for Cutler, if any exists. They’d move him.

    • Johnnywad

      In other news……the sky is still blue.

      • AlbertInTucson

        ….and Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still very seriously dead.

    • BearDown100393

      Jake Cutler doesn’t care about Dan Bernstein’s tweets. In this circumstance, I’m inclined to agree with Jake.

    • BerwynBomber

      The non-committal stuff alone was a 180 degree departure from the last two regimes — hell, PE was building the franchise around Cutler.

      But we will see what happens. I am dubious they can move him. But Pace should be speed-dialing CLE.

      • John Doe

        Agreed Cleveland can be just the kind of trading partner Bears need. They need a starting QB but they don’t want to spend first round pick again and there are not too many first round QB anyways. Mariota would be again a running QB like Manziel and they would need to spend a few picks to go up and get him.

        They have the cap space. And they have 10 picks in this year’s draft. It will be cheaper, in terms of picks, for Cleveland to trade for Cutler. They can get him for a 3rd rounder.

      • Big Mike

        Berwyn, I think there is an over reaction in the direction of people thinking the lack of commitment meaning Cutler and Marshall are gone. Could be that the lack of commitment to these two players is about setting the tone. Sending a loud, clear message early on his how you set a tone in an organization.

        Could mean they are gone. Not saying it means they are here to stay, they very well could be gone, I just think people are assuming his comments mean they are in fact gone.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Not Brandon. Say it ain’t so. He’s got to be one of the top five receivers in the NFL. He is. They don’t grow on trees, average QBs do. Not Brandon. Please.

          • John Doe

            Once again, this is not about how good Marshall plays the WR position.

            It is about his distraction..his wanting to do the show and use Bears to promote his cause. Bears are not keen to provide their team as platform for Marshall to promote his cause.

        • BerwynBomber

          It is tea leaf reading season. Most media members I have heard — mainly CSN and the Score — have not jumped to such conclusions. In fact, the Score’s Zaidman thought the Cutler non-commit was only a feint to make the league think that Bears are interested in Mariota and thereby drive up the price of their #7.

          Admittedly though I would laugh if BM is traded, mainly because Blogfather has been so absolutely sure he won’t be.

          • John Doe

            Blogfather was sure about Chris Ballard as GM too.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I believe I would cry manly man tears.

  • So that’s why Eddie Murphy didn’t do anything on SNL. He was supposed to be Cosby on Celebrity Jeopardy. That would have been AMAZING.

    http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/norm-macdonald-eddie-murphy-was-to-be-cosby-in-celebri-1686686768

    • BearDown100393

      Even more amazing that Norm MacDonald was sober enough to remember all these details.

    • NewBearInTown

      Very cool storytelling though.

  • BerwynBomber

    “Pace strongly reiterated the organization’s new belief that Brandon Marshall will not be partaking in his extracurricular activities any longer. Pace making it very clear that Dan Bernstein’s reporting Marshall was out in Chicago were and continue to be dog shit”

    You might be crowing too soon. What I heard — and admittedly I didn’t listen to Pace’s presser in full — sounded very much like a statement about ALL Bears moving forward not an implied confirmation that BM is returning.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 1h1 hour ago

    Like I said, everything is fluid is no monumental news but from what I’m told, both Marshall and Cutler are being shopped. #Bears

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 1h1 hour ago

    Situation with Cutler also fluid but will be much harder to find a trade partner. Marshall could be released if deemed “not compatible”.

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 1h1 hour ago

    Re: Marshall. Being told there are questions about his focus to win. Words about Harbaugh “would have let him” do Inside The NFL are telling

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 1h1 hour ago

    Was told as of tonight there’s a “50/50 chance” that Brandon Marshall is a Bear next year. Situation is fluid (consistently changing) #Bears

    • Big Mike

      Nice to hear the “speculation” going on at the combine. I can’t imagine that Marshall and Cutler are not being shopped. How else do you evaluate whether to keep or not.

      • willbest

        I expect the Bears would consider trading everybody but Long, Jeffery, Jones, and Fuller.

  • Big Mike

    I believe it is possible that the the non-committal comments regarding Cutler and Marshall could be about sending a message, and not about sending them packing. Reports of Bears testing the water for trade partners is good intel, but hardly news. How else is value established? Hopefully Pace is not the “infant GM” from Draft Day. (just saw this on HBO, it was an ok late night movie).

    • John Doe

      But if they are so good and worth keeping, why would Bears test waters on trade value?

      Do you hear about Ravens testing the trade waters for Joe Flacco’s value?

      Do you hear about Giants testing the trade waters for Eli Manning’s value?

      I keep hearing Cutler is as good as Eli and Flacco.

      • Big Mike

        I didn’t say Cutler was as good as anybody. New GM, New Coach. Should they just sit there? They are taking a look at what they have. They probably have a goal of what they’d like for each guy. I can tell you Cutler’s would probably be the best QB on the market. Cutler wasn’t the main problem last year. You basically had a team coaching itself. Cutler isn’t who we hoped he was, but he’s probably our best option next year. The question are: Do you care about your record next season? How little would you take for Cutler? What’s the long term answer at QB? Certainly isn’t sitting there in the draft. Even if they were available I’m skeptical about about Mariota(?) and Winston. I like Winston more (his off field problems aside, I’d take him at 7).

        With regards to Eli, that’s the luckiest son of a bitch in all of football. I don’t know if Cutler’s better, but the fact that he has 2 SB rings and a guy like Marino, has 0 is all you need to know about evaluating QBs based on SB rings. Flacco is a steady B to B+.

        • BerwynBomber

          “I can tell you Cutler’s would probably be the best QB on the market.”

          As an UFA, probably. As a guy being shopped with a contract, probably not.

          • Big Mike

            Agreed. That’s why I think the Bears are better off keeping and eating it. I think the market is down on Cutler now. If the Bears keep him statistically speaking you’d expect him to have a bounce back year, the market will be stronger for him and his contract becomes more team friendly towards him.

          • BerwynBomber

            Can’t say I disagree a ton. For the record I think he will be the Bears starter next season, but I can also see the rationale for getting him off the books ASAP and expediting the rebuild. And if what you’re implying is that they could potentially get more for him if he has decent year in a Bears uniform next year, sure, but he could also crap the bed again and further drag down the price of the return draft pick.

            Bottom line I can see the argument from both sides. I am for getting rid of him ASAP but admittedly I have always felt he was an overrated tease.

          • willbest

            The contract is trivial. Its 2-year $32 million plus team options for years 3-6. And since you can’t draft a QB as good as Cutler with anything worse than the a top 4-5 pick, Giving up a pair of 2nds for him is also a steal.

      • Irish Sweetness

        The Cowboys got rid of a perfectly good RB in Herschel Walker. If the price is right ….

  • GPLDAN

    Dear Cleveland,

    For Sale: One banged up but still serviceable QB. Runs great at times, but needs a major tune-up. Pulls to the left but only at night. Lacks any ability to tow anything behind it, and backfires loudly. Looking for 3rd rounder obo. Call 24h.

    • Big Mike

      hilarious.

    • Big Mike

      Need better than a 3rd. Unless they are taking on the salary.

      • GPLDAN

        Let’s be honest, we split the salary with Cleveland and get a 3rd for him. Done deal.

        • Big Mike

          I’m not a big fan of 3rd round picks for starting QBs. I really do think the sentiment towards Cutler has gone too far the wrong way. I’d want a number of picks and more than half of his salary picked up. Even then you’re writing off the season. Which I’m not opposed to.

          • BerwynBomber

            It is the money with Cutler which, to a large degree, influences Bears ability to shop him and what they could get in return. His contract is better now that the “highest paid player in the league” part is over but it still too rich by most people’s standards. Hence, it is undesirable. Hence, the lower round picks instead of what you might get for an average NFL starting QB of his caliber.

          • Big Mike

            Which is why i’d hold out for more or wait a year.

          • BerwynBomber

            Which is why I just responded the way I did to your comment below. 😉

        • Irish Sweetness

          A 3rd for Forte maybe … but your starting QB? Got to be a first. Got2Be. I’d even throw in another player for the #2 spot from the titans.

          Give them Sutton or Ego plus Cutty. Maybe ask for a fourth rounder to boot, give that to Tampa for Glennon. Draft Leonard Williams.

  • John Doe

    steve rosenbloom @steverosenbloom · 12m12 minutes ago
    It’s not just Cutler and Marshall,. It’s the whole roster. The #Bears garage sale is on.The RosenBlog: http://trib.in/1Lh8GbS

    • Ososfan

      Rosenbloom is hot garbage himself. Not reading anything from that asshole.

  • John Doe

    Remarkable stat from Jeremy Stoltz of Bear Report:

    Despite their immense talent, Cutler and Marshall have combined for just one career playoff win. Think about that, 18 combined seasons, 12 as teammates, and just one playoff win between them.

    No wonder Pace is shopping these two.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Amazing stat from Barb UMihai Mar on dabearsblog:

      Despite their immense talent, Matthew Stafford and Calvin Johnson have combined for just 0 career playoff wins. Think about that, 14 combined seasons, 12 as teammates, and no playoff win between them.

      No wonder Detroit is shopping these two.

      Wait…

      • Big Mike

        Well played. Well played.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Another mind blowing stat from Barb UMihai Mar on dabearsblog:

        Despite their immense talent, Tony Romo and Jason Witten have combined for just 4 career playoff wins. Think about that, 24 combined seasons, 24 as teammates, and only 4 playoff wins between them.

        No wonder Jerry is shopping these two.

        Bohhh…

      • Irish Sweetness

        And didn’t CJ have like 5 TD receptions not so long ago. One season. 5 TDs.

    • willbest

      Jay Cutler’s 1-1 playoff record is better than Andy Dalton (0-4), Matt Ryan (1-4), Tony Romo (2-4), Alex Smith/Cam Newton (1-2), Nick Foles (0-1)

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yet Kyle Orton set the single game reception record with Brandon. Smart, accurate passer combined with stud receiver = success. Go figure.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I think they said a bunch of bullshit and that they’ll employ Vic Fangio’s Defense.

    That’s a really important and positive aspect: let Fangio do his thing instead of forcing him to do crap he doesn’t want to do. Of course Fangio would never have signed in the first place if he couldn’t do his own thing. The positive is that Fox accepted.

    People are reading a lot of stuff from this presser. What I understood is there’s nothing to read. The plan was ‘say nothing’.

    • NewBearInTown

      No, Fox specifically said they’ll run a 3-4 base terminology wise. You aren’t wrong, that’s Fangio’s Defense. But he didn’t come out saying nothing. Saying nothing would have been when Phil Emery said “we’re going to evaluate the players and if it makes sense to make that switch then we’ll do it.” Fox said that about a lot of things, but he was pretty clear that the defense will be switching and that players like Allen and Young will be changing positions.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        That was my point. Beside saying the key information of them running Fangio’s Defense they said basically nothing else.

        There was 3-4 Defense and a lot of bullshit in that presser.

        • Ososfan

          And yet, Chicago sports media has taken every word if the presser and made up their own crazy stories regarding what is going on in the inner working of the locker room, etc…. How are these people getting paid for this BS?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Well… we’ll have to wait and see what happens.

            The Bears brain trust played right into ‘media’s own stories’.

            Time will tell if they wanted to do so on purpose. I think it’s a bad tactic if you want to gain assets for those 2.

      • GPLDAN

        Allen already has said they approached him about playing standing up.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Allen and Willie to OLB would be the call, which is good because our LBs suck other than Sharpton and maybe Jones.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    My opinion of the pressers was that they planed on saying nothing, which was taken as a snub for Cutler and Marshall or as the stick tactic towards them.

    If they used the stick tactic I’m not sure about that game plan. The truth is Marshall and Cutler have bigger sticks. You can bluff your way, but aren’t you better off using your big stash of carrots ?

    People… don’t trust the ‘reports’ and ‘leaks’. It’s all unverified smoke.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yes and no. Whether it means they are moved or stay, who knows. But your “Marshall and Cutler have the bigger sticks” line is COMPLETELY wrong. Yes, that was the true in the past — Cutler had the power to get coaches fired and basically did. But I would be very surprised if he could get Fox or Gase fired now. Management, from all indications, is more committed to Pace and Fox and company than they are Cutler and Marshall.

      • willbest

        In 2015, Jay Cutler is still the elephant in the room. Fox doesn’t have to worry about his job security however, because in 2016 Jay Cutler won’t have any real control (a 10 mil cap hit against a $150 mil cap sucks but isn’t a disaster).

        • BerwynBomber

          Correct. My only point is that Cutler was seemingly deferred to over his coaches, heck maybe even GMs in the past (at least here in CHI) — he could get coaches fired while seemingly they, in comparison, could not get him shipped out. But those days are over. And despite what Barb says, Cutler and Marshall have virtually no control whether they will still be Bears next season.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        You base your opinion on the fact Cutler and Marshall want to stay in Chicago no matter what.

        Who says Cutler doesn’t want a fresh start in Nashville and Marshall a try witha club that has a better chance in winning a Super Bowl ?

        I mean… they’re both going to get what $$$ the Bears pay them in other places. Places where they’re wanted and not vilified.

        The pressure of the move is on the Bears. The players have the leverage… they can play their cards in any manner they see fit.

        • BerwynBomber

          Unless Cutler and/or Marshall have “no trade” clauses in their contracts they virtually have no power except via a holdout. That is it. Basically, management and the coaching staff will decide whether they are Bears or not.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            If they trade them they get the same exact money from that other team.

            Thing is… they aren’t the type of player profiles that get traded to places they don’t want to go.

            Who’s the cretin that’s going to use draft picks to trade for disgruntled Cutler or Marshall. They’re problematic when they want to be someplace.

            So…that leaves the option of cutting them. That gives them the power to chose their next destination. For similar if not better contracts. Titans and Ravens for example. Where ever they want.

            That’s power. Keep the money and go into a better place. That’s the definition of player power.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Jump on the Tennessee train with me Barb!

          All aboard the Leonard Williams Chatanooga-choo-choo …. PHWEEEP!!!

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            There are very few places I’d like to see in the USA. Tennessee might be one of them. Memphis is in that general area, right ?

  • Ososfan

    What is up with the sudden Marshall hate? He’s not a team player? Oh right, not liked he opened his house for all the teammates in the off-season to work out and bond. Or the fact he’s taken Alshon under his wing. I thought NY sports media was bad, but Chicago’s takes the cake, making up dumb shit just for more clicks on a website and trying to start controversy everywhere. Wtf, Chicago?

    • John Doe

      Settle down. There is no Marshall hate.

      It is just that the new regime of Fox and Pace is not going to be bullied by Marshall and let him do the Showtime show and anything else he wants.

      Marshall himself said previously winning the Super Bowl isn’t the most important thing to him and that he plays football as a platform to promote his cause.

      No matter how good he is, Fox and Pace do not want this type of a guy on the team. They made it amply clear in the press conference yesterday.

      • Ososfan

        He did one show and now “he does whatever he wants???” Chicago media has come up with a crazy narrative to remover Marshall from the Bears and it’s spreading like wild-fire everywhere in the country. All because repoerters are too lazy to realize that Marshall is not a problem, he uses football as his platform but still gives it 100% on the field every Sunday? Who cares, then. I’d like to see tape of Marshall being a distraction I the field and not helping his team ON THE FIELD. The whole Marshall thing has been blown out of proportion. It’s ridiculous.

        • John Doe

          He also did that rambling press conference when he was told not to do it.

          Anyways, it does not matter what fans think. Who cares you say? Well, Fox and Pace do.

          If Fox and Pace don’t want him on the team because of his show and him using Bears as platform to promote his cause, then that is the final word.

          • Ososfan

            Those are things that should be assessed with him soon and should be no problem in the future. Marshall seems to be a mature dude, he should understand where Fox and Pace are coming from regarding all the media access and what-not (from Marshall) But if he is let go for the seemingly easily fixable “problems” then Fox and Pace are worse than Angelo. You’ll let go of a highly talented player because he did a couple of shows and talked more than he should have while not ALWAYS promoting football? Come on now, that’d be crazy.

          • John Doe

            What fixable problems? He met with Fox and Pace last week. And said a few days later that doing the show is important to him.

            Bears and Marshall’s paths diverge. He wants to do his own thing.

            If he wanted, he could have put all this to rest by coming out and saying ” I am dropping the show. I will be a good team player and do all the things my coaches ask me to do.” But he didn’t.

            He has made his decision and the Bears have made their decision.

          • GPLDAN

            He told Fox he was going to do the show with or w/o permission.

            Also, he challenged a fan to a fight on Twitter last year and had several locker room tantrums after losses.

            Gotta reset the chemistry in the room. Just like when Ditka sent James Scott packing.

          • CanadaBear

            James Scott and BMarsh in the same sentence? Only on the Bears Blog in the offseason.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But Brandon is like our Sweetness, or our Michael Jordan. If he’s not in the mix then Bear-Coryell shuts down. O’Bear airport is closed for business. There’s no Yin with the Yang … and an offense without any Yin is just Yang …. and Yang is Mandarin for ‘Shit’. Probably.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think Brandon is emotional and that he will come out and say he’s dropping the show and apologize. He just needs time to process his feelings like some of us girls do.

          • BearDown100393

            Mature dudes don’t challenge people to fights on Twitter.

          • John Doe

            And Emery had to run after him at Halas Hall, show him his contract, and let him know that his contract does not allow him to do stupid things like a boxing match with a Lions fan to donate money to his “cause”.

          • Bender McLugh

            you guys sound like a bunch of old dudes fartin’ & complainin’ on their bar stools in a south side dive

          • Trac

            There is a table free on the patio if you prefer. Hee hee.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I haven’t started on my tumors, ‘roids and corns yet ….

          • Irish Sweetness

            Stud wide receivers do. I don’t care if he’s semi-nuts, the dude can ball. The NFL is chocker-block full of assholes, posers, addicts, wife-beaters and rapists. If the worst he does is challenge people to fights on Twitter and shout at lazy,soiled entitled players in a locker room then we’re lucky. We need him, we don’t need Jay.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            your mom is a whore

          • Irish Sweetness

            But it’s got to be weighed against talent. No Marshall means no receiving corps again. Alshon as a #1 with no supporting cast? Disappears, mark my words.

      • Bender McLugh

        Bullshit Fox & Pace “don’t want this type of guy on the team”. Marshall is their #1, you can bank that.

      • BerwynBomber

        My guess is that Marshall’s entire act has grown old with the organization. There is a reason that a) he is a mercurial talent who b) had been allowed to walked/shipped elsewhere by two previous employers.

        Whether the Bears move him remains to be seen. Some think it is a done deal that he is moved. Others a done deal that he stays. Who knows.

        • John Doe

          Well, he is not going to do the Showtime show and remain a Bear. That much I think is clear. Fox and Pace would lose all credibility with players if they allowed him to do the show now after saying what they said yesterday.

          Ideal would be to send Cutler and Marsahll in package deal to Cleveland. Cleveland needs WR too after Josh Gordon. Maybe Bears can offer a nice discount on the package deal, eat some of the salary and settle for 3rd rounder and 5th rounder.

          • BerwynBomber

            Nice idea but I won’t believe it until I see it.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Only for a first plus Gordon.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I need explaining as to what he did wrong too. The show, okay, too much, that stops. I get it. But as a player? He played hurt, Cutty ignored him, his numbers went down. We know he’s the best of the best when healthy and the QB is on the same page. He rousted up a bunch of team-mates who were happy just picking up checks last season, made some noise. That’s what a leader does. That should have been Cutty or Briggs.

      • I don’t see Brees or Kuechly challenging assholes to fights on twitter though.

        Leaders can’t fly off the handle like that.

  • GPLDAN
    • BearDown100393

      Fathead needs a Smokin’ Jake poster. That photo would do quite nicely after Photoshop essentials.

    • CanadaBear

      I’d say it’s SSDD (same shit, different day).

  • GPLDAN

    I once got into an argument at a bar on the west coast with a guy who wanted to talk smack that Jumpin Jack Jerome was a better NBA player than Scottie Pippen.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2369727-former-nba-player-jerome-kersey-dies-at-age-52

    • Bender McLugh

      I see alot of Scottie in Snell, though Snell has better range on his shot and doesn’t have the shutdown D yet.

  • As someone else remarked, once you go Greg Oden, you don’t go back…

    NFL draft insider Tony Pauline has heard from a “number of people” that there is “serious concern” about Texans OLB Jadeveon Clowney’s surgically repaired knee.
    Pauline cites “numerous sources, including those close to the Texans” when cautioning to “not expect much” from Clowney in 2015. “He may struggle to ever regain full health from the microfracture surgery,” Pauline writes. As of late January, Clowney could bear no weight on his knee. He also had the knee scoped before his microfracture, in addition to sports hernia surgery last June. Clowney appeared in only four games as a rookie. – Roto

    • Trac

      A lot of posters here defended his last year in college, I did not. The guy purposely hid his condition and I don’t feel badly one bit for Houston. Character does count.

      • I think a lot of ppl thought he made a business decision, especially those who strongly advocate collegiate players getting paid.
        Everyone thought he was either business savvy, or lazy/selfish, but few suspected the 3rd option, that he may actually be injured.

        If so, gotta say, Clowney is smarter than he looks. Hiding that inj (the worst in sports) made him millions. No way he earns #1 overall if even a whisper of ‘microfracture’ inj pops up pre-draft.

        • Trac

          I think that’s the impression he successfully advanced but it was wrong on many fronts.

  • I actually believe this would be an ideal market too sell Jay. It’s a weak qb fa class. A bunch if retreads and high end back ups at best.
    It’s a really weak qb class.
    So a team looking for a starting caliber qb for this season will be hard pressed (bills, texans, browns?)
    On the flip side, we would have to be resigned to the ‘qb wilderness’ , of beginning the search for the holy grail.

    • BerwynBomber

      But the upside of “qb wilderness” — at least a temporary visit — is that it is inexpensive territory and thus allows you to invest elsewhere. I’m guessing you already know this but others don’t. Oh, and the Bears have won in qb wilderness in the past.

      • CanadaBear

        Depends on what you mean by won. Certainly not the SB.

        • BerwynBomber

          As much or more than with the non-qb wilderness as supposedly represented by Cutty. How’s that?

          • CanadaBear

            All I ever remember is the litany of names since McMahon (plus a bunch before him). We might make the playoffs with Cutler (very doubtful). We have no chance if we get rid of him. The only part of the team with any talent is the O. The D is a train wreck and ST’s have a good kicker and a decent punter. That’s it. We’re pretty well screwed this season. Who knows? Maybe Fox/Pace can pull a rabbit out of the hat. I don’t seen any scenario where this plays out but stranger things have happened. If the BiQueens and/or The Kitties were still horrible we might have more hope but at least on paper, they are better than us.

          • BerwynBomber

            Well, I am predicting the Cheese take a step back next year — that their epic NFCC collapse will haunt them for a year and that Rodgers will even have a mortal TD/INT ratio. Plus, I think they will lose some FAs that will hurt — Peppers and Tramon Williams, maybe even Cobb.
            The Kittens? Who knows? I think they found a bit of an underrated gem in Joique Bell and of course Caldwell is a stabilizing force after Shorts. Still, their prospects will somewhat be tied to Donkey Kong (and even Fairley to a degree).
            Minny’s arrow is pointing up. Not that I expect them in the SB but I would be surprised if they aren’t a little improved next year.
            The Bears? Well, I think you over-estimate Cutty’s efficiency but I largely agree with your overall point. But here is the thing: the Bears might not be playing to win it all next year. They might have a 3 or 4 year plan in place. Not that they won’t try to win next year, not that they won’t hope to win, but in reality they’re not aiming to peak for a few years.

          • CanadaBear

            Tell that to John Fox. I can’t imagine he signed on for a rebuild at his age.

          • Irish Sweetness

            “We have no chance if we get rid of him.”

            Respectfully disagree C-Bear. In fact I think it’s our only chance. In a reasonable world we get a first round pick for him. If that happens to be a Titans pick we get to draft a game-changer, plus another game-changer in the first round. If we keep him, we get more of the same shit week in week out but our roster-growth remains stunted. If it’s the Jets, then ditto. He’s holding us back, and just on the odffense. He is the means to our defensive improvement.

            Almost any QB we put under center will likely treat the ball with more respect. Jay was so cavalier he should have called himself Errol Flynn, worn some tights and swung his little sword around like a ponce.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m not a big fan of Cutler but I just don’t see us getting much for him. If we could get a 1st rounder then by all means trade him.

          • BerwynBomber

            It is less about what you get for him and more about getting rid of the contract. At least that would be my guess is the thinking if they are truly shopping him.

      • Johnnywad

        I’m really starting to miss the Urlacher prime years. 18 points would win you a game.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        With HOF-level defense and special teams.
        We were not even at pond scum level performance in regards to either unit last year.

    • John Doe

      I think you are underestimating how much Bears can do if they somehow manage to trade Cutler away.

      Bears have $22 million in cap space for 2015 free agents after setting aside money for the 2015 draft class and in season emergency.

      Now if they trade Cutler, it will free up $16.5 million in additional cap space. But let’s say they have to eat $6.5 million of salary to help facilitate the trade. That would still create additional $10 million in cap space.

      $22 million + $10 million =$32 million.

      They can sign a Brian Hoyer type guy for $5-6 million. Then you can buy a whole of defense with $26 million.

      Bears can then be like the old Bears teams. Strong defense, average QB, run the ball a lot and they can be competitive in 2015…without Cutler.

      And if the cut Marshall before March 12, they save another $7.5 million. They can find a cheaper option in draft or sign someone else in free agency who is more of a speed guy.

      The reason Pace is looking at getting rid of Cutler and Marshall is the immense cap space it will free up and allow Pace and Fox to shape the roster according to their wishes right away.

      • the problem with that is you can’t usually find great players in FA. You need to build great units around great players, and that almost always comes via the draft.
        Suh and Houston are great players, but Houston won’t hit the market and Suh may or may not. If they do trade Cutler and clear up some cap room, I would go all-in on getting Suh.

        • John Doe

          Given the number of holes Bears have, they will need rely of free agency to some extent. If they plan to build the whole thing through the draft, it will take them years.

          Plus, they need to bring in some players who are familiar with Fox and Fangio’s scheme to help the defense run smoothly.

          Forget Suh, Houston and the massive contract they would need to sign.

          I am talking some really good free agents from Broncos and 49ers.

          FS Rahim Moore from Broncos, LB Michale Wilhoite from 49ers, CB Chris Culliver from 49ers. These are the type of players Bears need to pursue in free agency. Good solid players who know the scheme and are not very expensive.

          • yes, but if you’re going to build a strong defense, that requires multiple great players, not just solid guys. Solid will get you a not crappy defense.
            If you want to win with defense and running the ball, you need a great defense, and great defenses have 3-4 great players surrounded by a lot of solid. So realistically it’s going to be a couple years before they can do that, IMO.

          • SC Dave

            Unless, by some odd chance, a couple of unexpected guys become great players out of nowhere – or out of proper coaching.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Agree, we don’t need Suh. We draft Shelton (and if the trade Gods are with us and we can work the Titan’s #2 off them, we get Williams). Paying a huge amount of cash for a tackle seems like bad business.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        I’m pretty sure you can’t “eat salary” in a trade in the NFL. That being said the cap savings incurred by trading Cutler would be $12.5 million in additional cap space. If he’s traded he would still count $4M against our cap because of the acceleration of the unamortized portion of his “signing bonus.” Originally his contract didn’t have a signing bonus, but in order to create room for Jared Allen Cutler converted $5MM of his 2014 base salary into a signing bonus, which amortized over 5 years (the maximum allowable) the 1st $1M was amortized last year.

        • willbest

          You can convert part of Cutler’s 2015 base pay into a contract bonus (Bears have written this automatic clause into all their contracts recently so they don’t have to renegotiate with the player), thereby reducing the base salary that the acquiring team would have to pay.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            fair enough!

      • Peanut FTW

        It’d be great if coach Fox could get Terrence Knighton to follow him here and stealing McClain from the ‘Boys would be awesome.

      • If we can get a 1st or 2nd for Cutler (which will parlay into drafting another QB, OR, trade it for next year to help target a QB next draft), then I’m all for a Cutler trade, even though it might be a lil messy cap hit (as opposed to getting rid of him after next season).

        Same with Bmarsh. Someone want a 3rd, maybe 4rth for him, I’ll listen.

        But if we’re getting rid of them for chump change, then that would give me pause.

        And I’m a little skeptical of buying mercenaries, even good ones. There’s a huge leadership void in Chicago, and if we go around collecting high end FAs, not sure how that helps.

        That being said, I wouldn’t mind DT Suh, ILB Willis and S Moore this off-season to give us maximum flexibility in the draft.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Don’t forget the stud you draft with Cutty’s pick. It would be possible to win even as soon as next season if you stick a guy like Fitzy under center, not that we necessarily want to be winning straight away – if we suck next season then so be it. Higher picks.

  • Trac

    Elway is going to crash and burn. He he

    #boldpredictions

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Not likely, but possible. He’s done great work until today.

      • Trac

        Hence the bold prediction hash tag. He could really come out looking like a horses ass this year and if Manning doesn’t come back, it ain’t gonna be pretty.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          He went to the playoffs with tebow time.

  • willbest

    The Allen contract necessitates that he is on the Roster in 2015. He is untradable and uncutable at $12.5 million

    I don’t like the idea of taking a pro-bowl guard and turning him into a competent tackle. If Long is anything other than a great tackle this will be a failure.

    • BerwynBomber

      Could be right about Cutler’s worth, but I tend to think the even more vast # of Cutler Lovers way over-estimate his worth also.

      • CanadaBear

        Where are you coming up with all these Cutler lovers? There isn’t one left on the blog and I rarely ever see anyone defend him in comments on other sports sites.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          I’m a recovering Cutler lover. 🙁

        • BerwynBomber

          Go back and check some of the Cutty polls that Blogfather recently posted. They’re much more in favor of Cutty than not, so I assume those would represent the lovers just as (I assume) the haters would not be in favor.

          Btw, why are you so bothered by anything negative about Cutler? I don’t get it.

          • Johnnywad

            I think the disconnect here is that simply thinking he should stay means “lover”. I think he should stay. The contract makes it impossible to get anything of real value in trade. I also think he’s better than anybody they can bring in. There just isnt a better option available and the money is likely already spent. I’d just as soon keep Cutler and Marshall for that matter. I’m not a Cutler lover though. I’d call myself a Cutler Agnostic with the hope that Fox can resurrect him and perhaps my faith in him as well.

            See what I did there?

          • BerwynBomber

            And I think the OTHER disconnect is to say “hater” for anyone who (maybe rightly) criticizes him and would like to see the Bears move on. I only used the “lover” term in response to the “hater” one and CB immediately took exception. So there you go.

          • Johnnywad

            Yeah there isn’t much room in the middle of the aisle on Cutty.

          • CanadaBear

            How did I take exception? I made a point and you seem to be all hot and bothered by it.

          • BerwynBomber

            I”m not hot and bothered by it. I merely brought up the “lover” term as response to the “hater” one. Again, you are the one that took exception not me. I merely responded to willbest’s post.. *Shrug*

          • I WAS a Cutty agnostic. In fact, I think I invented the term. I also invented the phrase “greatest thing since sliced bread”, but I digress.

            I am no LONGER an agnostic. My Cutler-o-meter now dips more to the Skeptic side after last season, and therefore, I think we should aggressively target a QB to replace him, either this year or next.

            That being said, I wouldn’t mind Cutler (or Marshall) this year if we can’t get anything for them.

            IMO, Cutler is worth some sort of 1st or 2nd at worst (consider the market, not his true value). Bmarsh is still worth a 3rd, but the WR market is flush with talent (both in the draft and FA), so we’d be lucky to get a 3rd for him.

            HOWEVER, I am not in that locker room. Jahns reported that some players back Cutty (probably cuz they’re pals and biased), while others doubt they can win with him.

            As for Bmarsh, who knows? Maybe he rubs teammates the wrong way and they’re weary of his antics.

            If Pace and Fox believe their “non football” distractions outweigh their football production, so be it.

            I only hope they have a very specific plan and don’t dump players just to have their own guys.

            Say what you will about Emery, but he had a specific plan in the off-season and attacked it, with mixed results.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m in agreement mostly and also believe Cutty will be our starter when next season starts. But the Cutty “hater” term gets old. Just found it interesting I used the “lover” term once (in response to “hater”) and someone took immediate exception. Telling.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Given the low level of talent on our roster I don’t care if he rubs that locker room the wrong way. He has more talent in his little toe than most of them put together and most of them should not be Chicago Bears IMO. He’s about the closest thing we have to a leader which doesn’t say much for our QB or Briggsy.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Somebody always overpays in a trade, Johnny. It’s his perceived value that counts. Somebody out there needs a QB right now. Somebody out there sees the arm and maybe a crappy situation he was in. Somebody will give us a first.

          • CanadaBear

            Who said I’m bothered by it? I just don’t agree there are a bunch of Cutler lovers out there. Johnny said it better than I would.

          • BerwynBomber

            Because you constantly seem to comment on the Cutty “hate” and then you run to Waffle whenever he comes on line? Those would be my first tip-offs that you are bothered by it.

      • willbest

        I didn’t say no Cutty. You want to roll out Mariota go for it. You want to dump Cutty so you can pick up McCown or Hoyer or Sanchez…. then you aren’t even trying to compete. Its one thing to go with an unknown with potential upside/development, its quite another to flat out downgrade.

        • BerwynBomber

          Again — like many others here — you are thinking of Cutler without his contract. Yes, he is probably better than any UFA QB out there (technically, Sanchez had a better 2014 and certainly has more post-season success), but the guys you mentioned will result in a significant savings from Cutty. No one should debate whether Cutler is better than McCown or Hoyer, but for the money, one of the latter might be a better short-term investment.

          • willbest

            I understand this point. But for example Cutler is better than McCown plus and overpaid FA ILB or 3-4 DE or whatever FA you are using that money on not named Suh or possibly McCourty.

            Fox has a good track record as does Fangio but they aren’t going to turn this D into a top 10 D in one off season while transition to 3-4 with the pieces they have or are realistically going to be able to acquire. Which means the offense and special teams are going to have to carry their weight.

          • John Doe

            Hoyer would have outplayed Cutler on that same offense in 2014. I don’t know why you still continue to believe in Cutler.

            They paid him all that money and made him franchise QB and the guy on the team. And he crumbled badly and was even a shadow of Cutler of 2013.

            We know he has trust issues with coaches and does not take criticism well. How he will respond to public humiliation with Fox and Pace refusing to endorse him yesterday? We know that… more pouting, more moping, and more sucky play.

            Plus he is not a good fit for Gase’s timing based offense. I will take McCown or Hoyer for $5-6 million a year any day over Cutler.

          • John Doe

            As Fox says, there is more to QB position than just throwing the ball a long way.

            Cutler has zero abillity to rally his teammates or lead the team through a bad patch in the game. In fact, he does the exact opposite. He sucks the life out of the team by turning the ball over at most inopportune time.

            McCown can rally the team better than Cutler. Hands down. Not even close. And the team responds to him.

          • willbest

            Assertion where facts aren’t in record. Also, Cutler did some of his best work in the Martz offense and these days he doesn’t have an o-line that would get him killed doing it.

    • SC Dave

      Definitely agree on Long. Just leave him where he is and get a tackle.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Is the Combine over yet?

    Zzzzzz… Huh? Wha? You woke me up for THAT?

    • willbest

      I hear ya. The NFL slave auction is probably the dullest off-season event.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Please stop with the slavery stuff, the farthest I’ll go is indentured servitude. Here’s why it’s not slavery:

        -The rookie minimum is $435,000, guessing 99.9% of the blog participants won’t make that much in 2015 (average NFL salary was $2.0M in 2014).
        -Not all of the participants are black.
        -No one is forcing these guys to be at the combine, they received invitations, participation is optional (see Every QB that doesn’t throw at the combine).
        -No one is threatening to kill them or their family members if they don’t participate.
        -And many more….

        • AlbertInTucson

          I thought we’d settled that crap a while back?

          The “Slavery” label does not bear close scrutiny.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah the fact that a group of people (in this case prospective NFL rookies) are free is probably a big

        • willbest

          I was poking fun at blogfather. But I will point out that while American slaves were black, historically speaking, slavery was equal opportunity. Therefore the notion that nonblacks couldn’t participate is in a slave auction is utter nonsense.

          Also, while 435k is a tidy annual sum it in no way shape or form elevates any of these players out of the middle class. Between agency fees, union dues, and taxes they are going to end up with less than half that, and keep in mind that playing in the NFL is hell on the body. The vast majority of NFL players aren’t going to be able to generate more than 30-50k in annual income when they finish their NFL careers. When you average out their few years of high earning glory they are barely in the top 20%. And of course most of them are idiots with their money.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        It’s more of a gladiator type of scene.

  • A metaphor for the Bears (One of them is Cutler, the other represents the fan awaiting his return)

    http://tosh.cc.com/blog/2015/02/19/spread-em-and-weep?xrs=synd_facebook_021915_tosh_57

  • John Doe

    Teams with means to take on Cutler contract:

    NFL teams w/ most cap space (as of last week):

    1. JAX $61.7M
    2. OAK $51.5M
    3. CLE $49.8M
    4. NYJ $48.6M
    5. TEN $44.0M

    • John Doe

      Obviously only CLE, NYJ, and TEN are looking for QBs.

      • I think we can scratch TEN off the list. They seem to be happy with testing Mettenberg. And even if they don’t, they still own the #2 pick.

        CLE and NYJ are definitely in the mix.

        CLE has had worse QB luck than us, and they’re disenchanted with Manziel. They own two first round picks. They’re defense is stout, and they feel they’re a QB away from making a serious push.

        NYJ are most likely just gonna miss on drafting either Mariotta or Winstion (unless they trade up), and there’s no guarantee they can swoop up Hundley or Grayson in the second either.

        • John Doe

          CLE may have 2 first round picks but it will cost them a lot to move up and get Winston or Mariota. And would they go after Mariota who is another running QB. And QB in the later rounds will not help them this year. Pettine is already in his second year as head coach. So he would like a QB who is ready.

          Brian Hoyer probably will not want to return to CLE after last year’s drama. Sanchez and McCown are their free agent options. Bradford will stay put with Rams. Cutler is probably only trade option.

          CLE has strong defense to absorb Cutler’s turnovers.

          Not sure NYJ will pursue Cutler trade.

          • BerwynBomber

            Good point: can’t see the Clowns drafting another first round QB a year after Manziel. Even the Jets resisted that for a year after drafting Geno Smith.

          • John Doe

            Given the Bears need and Cleveland’s need, I think a deal of convenience is on the cards.

            I will not be surprised at all if Pace is able to hammer out a Cutler trade with the Browns. It is either move him to Browns or stay put. I don’t see any other team.

          • BerwynBomber

            Houston? What is Buffalo going with?

          • John Doe

            Houston is sticking with Ryan Mallet. Heard they will sign him before free agency.

          • Bills? They too have a ready made D and no QB.

          • John Doe

            LOL! Kromer is their OL coach. I think he will make sure they don’t even consider Cutler.

          • Oh, yeah, forgot about Kromer on the Bills. That would be awesome though.

          • John Doe

            Not sure Bills have the cap space. They are trying to sign a key piece of the DL.

  • John Doe

    Teams in cap hell:

    Teams w/ neg. cap space (as of last week)

    26. PIT -$839k
    27. MIA -$1.6M
    28. NE -$3.9M
    29. KC -$4M
    30. SF -$6.6M
    31 AZ -$11.5M
    32 NO -$27.9M

    • AlbertInTucson

      I expected to see Dallas on that list but I guess that’s just a bi-product of the pinch they are in with trying to re-sign Murray and Bryant.

      I heard an interview with Murray during SB week and he came across as a VERY well spoken, well thought guy.

    • wreckinball

      No one on that list will bite on Cutler

      • wreckinball

        Oops just consider this a comment on the teams with the most cap space

    • NewBearInTown

      I think Arizona has solved most if not all of their cap issues with the new Fitzgerald deal. That was the big question mark preventing them from making some moves.
      San Fran will really suffer from the cuts, but it was inevitable when they signed Kaep to his big deal.
      I don’t know what’s happening in NOLA, but that’s a pretty big number to deal with.

      • that’s part of why I was leery of Pace. NO’s front office has actually been pretty bad for the last 5-10 years, IMO. Consistently overpaying vets in FA. Consistent cap problems forcing them to dump productive players (like when they gave Sproles away last year because they couldn’t afford him). They keep backloading and restructuring contracts, but that only works short term.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Shhhh… don’t let facts get in the way of early over hype.

          somebody said Fox and Pace are more than capable in finding a sleeper S. Denver and NO are the 2 teams that paid ransoms for FA Ss last year.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      NE is there because they have Revis at $25 M cap charge.

      SF and AZ are ok. The others are fucked.

  • And the early nominee for biggest risk goes to…

    Missouri WR Dorial Green-Beckham measured 6-foot-5, 237 at the NFL Scouting Combine weigh-in.
    The measurements are truly Megatronian. Green-Beckham was listed at a much-slimmer 225 pounds on the Oklahoma website, where he practiced with the scout team last year but never actually played. Put simply, DGB was created to score touchdowns in the NFL. At the below link is a recommended read from Jonathan Bales on how height and weight correlate to touchdown-scoring efficiency. – Roto

    • BerwynBomber

      Mariota or Winston?

      • wreckinball

        Winston stands in there and can rip it. Mariota is a slight upgrade to Manziel

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    R.I.P. Jerome “Mercy” Kersey. He was the heart and hustle of those Blazer teams of the Clyde Drexler era. So fun to watch. Dead at 52.

    Mercy.

    • Trac

      Never heard of him.

    • wreckinball

      Agree Kersey was a beast in the NBA finals against theJordan Bulls

  • wreckinball

    Winston over Mariota I think Winston is going to be very good

    Re Cutler It will be interesting Fox just came from Peyton Manning what a difference 180 degrees

  • John Doe

    Dan Pompei @danpompei · 10h10 hours ago

    2. I’m guessing Cutler stays, but I know that if you aren’t sure if you want something pretty quickly, you usually really don’t want it.

    Dan Pompei @danpompei · 10h10 hours ago

    3. My read on Cutler situation is Pace wants to see if a trade market develops for him, and/or if a suitable vet QB option for Bears exists.

    • wreckinball

      I think in the quiet of the off season some folks may talk themselves into thinking he can be an elite QB. But the $$ of his contract will snap them into reality. I still think there is a very small to none market on Cutler

      • John Doe

        Only the Browns….may be NYJ.

        Cutler will be huge upgrade for the Browns. And huge cap relief for Bears and allow Fox and Pace to start Bears recovery with their guys. No point wasting a year or two with Cutler if Fox and Pace know he is not their guy and not the guy to lead a team to sustained success and championship.

        The sooner they move on, the better it will be for Bears success 2-3 years down the road.

        • wreckinball

          Browns aren’t going to bite.
          But NYJ are probably most likely maybe Bills also

      • NewBearInTown

        Cutler’s contract is actually quite flexible cash-wise. The team will need to commit to paying him franchise money for a year or two, but after that they can cut him with almost no dead money. If he works out, he’ll be playing on a very reasonable deal by 2017, when QB deals will all be more than $20M. They also will have the ability to convert salary to bonuses at will, allowing for even more flexibility.
        Plus, there are a handful of bottom tier teams with a ton of cap space. A few actually need to find ways to spend money to avoid penalties for not spending up to the cap floor (if you recall that from the last CBA). I think the Jets, Raiders, and Browns are all in that boat in memory serves. Teams with that kind of record and cap space are all looking for QBs.

        • BerwynBomber

          Carr has shown enough promise in OAK that they would have no interest in someone with Cutty’s price tag. Maybe one of the UFAs as a back-up for Carr but if you trade for Cutty you’re trading for him to start. OAK is not on that list.

          • BUF, STL, CLE, HOU are 4 teams that jump out to me as ones that would be in the playoffs with Cutler. I dunno the cap situation for any of them off the top of my head though.

          • BerwynBomber

            Playoffs? You’re stoned. But they could be four potential suitors.

          • put Cutler on any one of those teams and I believe they would be in the playoffs, though maybe not Cleveland with Gordon suspended and Cameron likely leaving in FA.

            Houston, STL, and BUF all have really good defenses and offenses with enough pieces that a competent QB like Cutler would make them playoff-caliber teams.

          • BerwynBomber

            STL would have won five more games with Cutler? Yeah, right.

          • they might have a tough time given the division they’re in, though I’d put them with Cutler over everybody but Seattle in that division. SF dropping off would help.

          • BerwynBomber

            They were 6-10. 11-5 was the WC cutoff last year. For some reason I don’t think Jay Cutler improves a team by five wins BUT I do wish you were the Rams current GM. The Bears have a QB you would be highly interested in.

          • the difference between having a capable starting QB and not having a capable starting QB is substantial. Changes what you can do with your offense. Changes how other teams game plan for you.

            Cutler’s not a great QB by any means, but he’s a capable one. History has shown us that on a strong overall roster like what STL has, that would be a good team with Cutler at the helm. They might not have made the playoffs in a loaded division, but they would have been substantially better.

          • BerwynBomber

            Again … if only you were the Rams GM.

      • nobody should think anymore Cutler is an elite QB. That doesn’t mean he should be dumped. Those are two different questions.

        I find the Cutler debates funny, as they fluctuate so fast. Last offseason I had people yelling at me for saying Cutler would never sniff an MVP award. Now I have people yelling at me for saying he’s a solid starting QB who doesn’t suck.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Yeah right… who does Rex have to fuck in order to get Cutler ?

  • NewBearInTown

    So I understand that this is a good year to trade Cutler because its a bad year for QBs and the team is in transition and blah blah blah. But I don’t understand what folks think we’re supposed to do at the position once he’s gone.
    Are we expecting McCown to come in and start? That went great in Tampa.
    Are we expecting to draft a guy? The top 2 QBs are considered very iffy prospects this year, and there’s almost nobody after them.
    Someone else in free agency? McCown is considered one of the best available.
    Are we just planning to tank for a year?

    • BerwynBomber

      Cutler went 5-10 last year as a starter and had a 28TD/24TO year. The better question is, why would we not wish to go much cheaper next year UNLESS you think a) we will be a true title contender or b) Cutler is the long-term answer.

      So which do you think or do you think both?

      • NewBearInTown

        I think Cutler was not the reason for our 5-10 season. That offense was a disaster top to bottom. If you look at the really bad offenses in the league, most of those QBs have more turnovers and fewer touchdowns. He’s not as bad as people paint him, but he’s not elite either. We are overpaying, but we could do much much worse.
        So while I like the cash, I’ll gladly pay $30M over a couple of years for an orderly transition. I don’t want to feel forced to reach in FA or the draft for someone who likely won’t be better.
        Indy got Luck before dropping Manning. Green Bay got Rodgers before dropping Favre. San Fran got Young before dropping Montana. The list goes on. We need to get the next man ready to step up before we cut Jay loose.
        Who do you want BB if not Cutty?

        • technically IND didn’t draft luck until after dumping Manning, though they had the #1 pick lined up and everybody knew they’d be taking him.

          • NewBearInTown

            Exactly. They were sitting at #1 with two very good rookie quarterbacks to choose from. We’re at #7, where the top two QBs will probably be gone, and neither of those guys is as promising as Luck or Griffin. I mean, we could find the next Tom Brady in the seventh round or the next Romo as a UDFA, but the odds don’t favor it.

        • BerwynBomber

          Somebody who is a cheaper and allows us to invest in another player or two (or three). This is a franchise that basically won as much with Miller, Orton and Grossman as it did with Cutler.

          I would be fine with Sanchez for a year or two if his price didn’t go up. And I would want to see about Austin Davis and potentially Mike Glennon if TB selects Winston as people think.

          Sanchez is what he is but I think he is the best of the veteran guys available. In regard to Davis or Glennon, there is always the off-chance they prove as good as Cutler long-term.

    • EnderWiggin

      Cutty is 61-58 (don’t forget he had no offensive line his first 4 years in Chicago). I think he can be the 2-4 year answer.
      The folks hoping to tank this season are the ones that think Jay is the reason for our historically bad defense.
      No thanks on McCown. Unless he comes in to compete. But I’d rather see Dirty Sanchez in that roll.

    • wreckinball

      So 61-58 is good. I don’t think so. McCown did have success. Arguably more than Cutler. Clausen is not the answer so we either stick with Jay or go with a mid grade QB. Which is actually Jay without the drama and $$

      • EnderWiggin

        The only drama with Jay comes from outside the building, and the money woes were much worse the last two years. We need a guy like Jay in the locker room – tie a guys shoe one week and shoulder-bump him the next. Leadership.

        So, stick with Jay. That’s what management will do.

    • If the Bears want to contend in 2015, then Cutler is likely their best option (barring a draft miracle a la Russell Wilson to the Seahawks in 2012). Their offense is primed to be a top 10 unit, so putting the best product on the field in 2015 would mean keeping it mostly intact while focusing most of your offseason resources ($$/high draft picks) on getting the defense up to scratch (though improving depth at OL, TE, and WR would not be frowned upon, using smaller $$ FA and mid-late draft picks).

      But there is an argument to be made for long term that trading Cutler now would be best. That would be the reasoning, IMO, in addition to setting a new tone in the locker room (I know people like Michael C. Wright and Rashied Davis have said that Cutler held too much power in Halas Hall for both of the last two regimes).

      I’ve been doing some research the past few days into previous instances like this to see what history suggests the Bears will do. Some interesting findings that I don’t want to spoil.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Yeah… Cutler had exactly ZERO power during Lovie years. Probably Emery went to the other extreme.

        Truth is Cutler’s profile inside the franchise is a non issue as long as you know what a fuck you’re doing in general.

        • I stated that poorly. Cutler was coddled under the previous regimes. They’ve both stated, or at least strongly insinuated, it.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            With words sure, but in reality hell no. facts say they hated him with vengeance.

        • BearDown100393

          The future Jake Cutler Appreciation Night at Soldier Field will be something to behold.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That should be fun.

    • If we can get a 1st for Cutty, I’m all for it.
      What I would then do is trade that 1st to some team for NEXT year’s 1st. Some team will do it. They’ll give up their 1st next year and a lil extra for the now.
      Preferably, we trade with a team we know will suck, for instance, Jax. They may want to get an OT to protect Bortles, so it would make sense that they may want to get a top 3 OT by trading back into the first. (We’re they’re at right now is too high for an OT in this class)

      We’ll still have a first.
      We’ll have a first next year, plus a lil extra, in addition to our original 2016 1st
      We can use two 1st rounders to move up and target the #1Qb in that class.

      In the meanwhile, we can draft in the 2nd Grayson, then bring in a vet FA with some upside. Could even let Clausen, Fales and Grayson compete this year.

      Never know. If one of them ends up looking good (like Carr did for the Raiders), we wouldn’t even have to move up next year to target a QB. We can just keep building through the draft.

      That’s what I would do. But gotta get a 1st and maybe conditional pick for Cutler as a starting point.

      • I’m guessing they’d get a 2nd and conditional for him. That’s what KC gave up for Alex Smith, who is not quite as good (albeit with better passer rating because he doesn’t take risks, but he also doesn’t make plays) but was younger and didn’t have the contract.

      • SC Dave

        I really don’t see getting a first round pick for a very-slightly-better-than-average starter (albeit a *starter*) because said QB has turnover problems, allegedly questionable leadership skills, and too many sacks on his veteran frame.

        • Scott W.

          Your comment on the sacks is one oft forgotten.

    • Scott W.

      Personally, I’d like to see what Cutler and Marshall can do under Fox. So without a viable alternative (though I think McCown will be unreal motivated to light it up), I want them to stay.
      Whether they contend is one thing, but if they really step it up, it will say a lot about the new staff.

      • NewBearInTown

        McCown wasn’t motivated last year when he got $10M for 2 years in Tampa?

        • John Doe

          He was motivated. But hard to much with no OC and genius offensive mind Lovie Smith as HC.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            So you give McCown a pass for the same circumstances we had in Chicago?

        • Scott W.

          Yes he was. But, with some humility tossed on his game ala Lovie & Tampa, just postulating that he will try to correct. Tough to go out on the note he left TB on, and he had a “passable” year as Jay’s backup.

  • BillW

    It sounds like some on the blog think the Bears can contend next year. I’m NOT one of them, and it doesn’t bother me. The Bears need to build the team up – a lot. It will take a couple years.

    Not contending does not equate to tanking. I believe Pace / Fox are formulating a viable plan to get there..

    The QB they will contend with eventually is not on our roster and likely won’t be on our roster for the 2015 season.

    So if they can get rid of the Cutler contract (most important) and at least a 3rd, I think he should be traded. It simply does not matter who the QB is next year as long as he can run Gase’s offense well enough for the guys who will be starters in 2016 and beyond to get used to it.

    BMarsh – who knows? Jeff wants Bernstein to be wrong, but technically I don’t think he is. He heard from his source that Marshall is gone. His source may be close to the McCaskey family and is repeating their wishes. But Pace and Fox trump that.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well-reasoned but good luck when it comes to the Cutler debate. A hater tag awaits you.

      In terms of the BMarsh/Bernstein/Blogfather thing … correct … Bernstein has said that a) upper management (read McCaskeys/Phillips) want BMarsh gone, but b) Pace has final say on any and all roster moves. That said, Blogfather seems to be celebrating victory a little too soon.

      One wonders if a 37 year old GM has the stomach to keep around a player his new boss wants gone.

      My own hunch is that it is an 75/25 prop in favor of Cutty remaining but Marshall is only 50/50. And it could be that Pace knows that BM will be back but it is only half-heartedly shopping him to appease upper mgmt. Maybe Blogfather knows this. But right now, anyone’s guess.

      • John Doe

        I think both Cutler and BMarsh are goners.

        The fastest way to rebuild the team towards championship is to get rid of unsavory characters who are not great leaders and bring the team down.

        Letting them hang around does not advance the goal of winning Super Bowl.

        • BerwynBomber

          I am not a fan of either as well (although I do think BM has been a helluva receiver). Yet despite my opinions of them, I’m still not sold Pace has the cojones to make such bold moves.

        • Scott W.

          …and do what, exactly, to replace them? Just throw anyone under center?

          • BerwynBomber

            A guy who is significantly cheaper which will allow the team to purchase two or three other players with the extra lucre. The only reason to keep Cutler’s salary is if you think a) Cutler makes you a title contender, or b) you’re considering him as a 3-5 year answer.

            I am on record (and in the minority 🙂 for Sanchize. To me he is the best of the available veterans and switching from Cutty to Sanchez might not represent too steep of a decline in QB efficiency. And there is always the off-chance the latter might even have a better year.

            I just don’t want to see McCown. He looked utterly done last year and he’s already 35.

          • Scott W.

            I am leaving you in the minority on Sanchez. I don’t see him as anything more than change for the sake of change, and that never works.
            I hear you on the finances, but it would take your aforementioned lighting strikes in multiples to pull off a decent trade. My opinion anyway.
            I’m down with Cutler and Marshall both if Fox thinks they are his best shot this year. I have a lot of faith in him and Pace both to make the right call here.
            We could do worse than bringing Josh back, but in the end, I don’t care if we do or not.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      At that point they should cut/trade Forte, Marshall and Bennett also.

      It’s unlikely they’ll be starters in 2016 and beyond.

      This is the NFL, not the NBA or MLB.

      • BillW

        Every case is different of course. You keep forte to reward his quiet leadership and work ethic. You trade Marshall and bennett for rebuilding (assuming a decent return for them)

    • history says Cutler sticks around for 1-2 years while the new brass finds their guy to replace him. Compete while building to contend in the future.
      So I’m gonna say Cutler is here for 2015 but gone by the start of 2017, and it’s possible his trade value after a better year in 2015 is increased. It’s at an all-time low right now thanks to the shit storm that was the Bears in 2014.

      • BillW

        The only argument against my scenario is that winning is a habit so there is value in competing though not contending as you say.

        Still I have to believe Pace is thinking 2 or even 3 years ahead. Many posters here seem to look at each year as all or nothing – that either you contend or you tank

  • CanadaBear

    If Fox/Pace feel they have a chance at a good season they will keep Cutler. If they think there is no way they get above .500, they will look to trade him. The D was historically bad the last 2 years and the cupboard is pretty bare on that side. Can they hit on their draft picks? Will going from one of the worst coaching staffs in the league to one of the best make up all that ground? Who knows? Most successful people have a lot of self confidence. I’m guessing Fox/Pace think they can make up all that ground and keep Cutler unless some team offers them a deal they can’t refuse (at least a #1). If they trade Cutler and to a lesser extent BMarsh, they are effectively giving up on this season. I have a hard time believing a soon to 60 year-old coach is OK with tanking a season but stranger things have happened.

    • Scott W.

      Ditto.

    • John Doe

      The question to be asked is this:

      Is Cutler the guy to take the Bears to winning record and then winning championship?

      Cutler’s contract is such that Bears have him for at least 2 years and have the option of having him here for more if he is the guy.

      If Fox and Pace have come to conclusion that Cutler is not the guy, then they need to dump him ASAP because it only delays the timeline to winning championship.

      And that is why their refusal to endorse Cutler on Wednesday was damning and a bad sign for Cutler. You know pretty quickly if you want to have someone around for the next 2 years and beyond. And if you have doubts then it is hard to talk yourself into it.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        And if the Bears then have a shitty season and Cutler goes to the Bills and makes the playoffs…what then ?

        • John Doe

          Bears have had shitty season with Cutler. so same difference except they will save a bunch of money without Cutler and get 1 or 2 additional pieces.

          I don’t care where Cutler goes and what he does there. May he win 10 Super Bowls with Bills or Browns or whoever.

          Btw, he ain’t going to Bills. Aaron Kromer is the OL coach for Bills and he will make sure Bills front office knows all about Cutler.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Well you might not care, but Fox and Pace become instantly ‘on the clock’ or ‘on the hot seat’ whichever you prefer.

            The Kromer stuff… that’s water under the bridge.

            If Rex wants Cutler instead of the bum he has he’ll sign him.

            PS: Actually I have Marshall going to the Patriots if the Bears release him. Under McDaniels.

          • John Doe

            You don’t know Bellichick. He ain’t allowing anyone to do that show. And Marshall has made it pretty clear he will do the show. He sees the gig as prep for his post-retirement career.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The show means nothing.

          • Scharfinator

            Oh yeah, Belicheck never picked up receiver’s with attitude issues before….

            His QB didn’t break huge records as a result before…

          • BearDown100393

            Straight cash homie

          • BillW

            You still sound bitter over emery being fired after only 2 years. You want the same restrictions on Pace and Fox.

            If Fox turns out like Trestman and Pace signs a mediocre QB to a 50 million contract then maybe. .

            But that won’t happen and so they will be given a more reasonable amount of time

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            At what point one should start analyzing the facts instead of his own emotions and opinions.

            McCaskey has fired 2 GMs and 2 HCs in 4 years.

            That’s my new standard. I’ll go forward using that time line as the most predictable or likely to be true.

          • BillW

            The Bears have only once given a GM and coach less than 3 years. That was an anomaly due NOT to their failure to win but their “success” at making the Bears a laughing stock.

            To include Lovie and Jerry in that as part of a “pattern” is at best misleading.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I judge the decision maker, not the Bears as an entity.

            You’re calling it an anomaly. Hiring a new GM and forcing him to keep a bum HC… another anomaly. I can go on.

            It’s really a series of anomalies, which is the reason I won’t give credit until I see it.

          • BillW

            If Cutler succeeds somewhere else it makes him a huge asshole in my opinion. Suddenly he goes from Cutty don’t care to SB champ? . Why now? . What suddenly motivates him?

            Won’t happen. He is simply a mercenary. Nothing wrong with that either. He duped the Bears. Good for him and his family.

          • BerwynBomber

            In fairness, his burdensome contract is more on PE than Cutty. The latter just got all he could. Can’t blame a player for doing that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yup, hats off to Cutty – he won the game of life as a relatively young man.

        • BerwynBomber

          He has made the playoffs once in nine years while spending half of those years on teams with excellent defenses and superb STs. I would not worry. Plus, we don’t know if BUF covets him.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            excellent defenses, superb STs and HIGHLY INEPT OFFENSES.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yep, the kind that Orton, Grossman and Jim Miller all led to the playoffs.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            How fast people forget.

            Rex and Orton put together wouldn’t have done shit against Aron Rodgers. Lets keep shit real:

            Last 3 Green Bay Bret Favre seasons: 62 TD – 62 INT

            First 3 Green Bay Aron Rodgers seasons: 86 TD-31 INT

          • Irish Sweetness

            Kyle Orton holds the NFL record for completions to a single player in one game, barb. He won/didn’t lose ten games for us as a rookie. People need to get off his back.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If Cutty has a good season with the Bills I’d put it down to being behind a superior Offensive line. Almost any QB on any roster in the NFL can look good with time – they wouldn’t be in the NFL if they couldn’t throw a football.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That means Pace is incapable of building a superior OL.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Remember… Fox and Pace have 2 years. If they don’t win in that time frame they’re done.

      • John Doe

        Wrong. They have 3 years at minimum.

        They have been handed a team with several holes on defense, a bunch of lousy contracts, a team with no leaders, and a couple of unsavory characters.

        Year 1 will be just cleaning the house. Year 2 will be the first year when they can have a team identity to their liking. And they have to win and contend in year 3.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Emery might disagree with that. But you’re right… there’s an option on the 3rd year. It’s optional, but it exists.

          History tells us McCaskey fired 2 GMs and 2 HCs in the 4 years he’s in charge of the joint.

          • John Doe

            Actually all those firings by George McCaskey in the last 4 years will help Fox and Pace. George has already eaten million in buying out contracts and he will not be keen to eat millions more in 2 years.

            All Fox and Pace have to do is not stink up the joint like Trestman and Emery did and they will be good for at least 3 years. And that is a low bar.

          • John Doe

            Plus don’t forget the pretty penny George paid to that consultant Accorsi to help find Pace and Fox.

            Can’t see George throwing all that away in just 2 years again.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I agree. My instinct tells me what you think… but can you negate the reality/history/pattern ?

          • CanadaBear

            I really thought Nessman and Emery were going to survive until Kromer went nuts. After that, the entire team imploded.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The people he fired sucked balls, so there’s that. Fox is a proven commodity.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            no they didn’t suck. They were the GREATEST coaches and GMs. It is all Cutler’s fault. He is the coach and gm killer.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            My point exactly. If Fox doesn’t win in 2 seasons he’s gone.

            More so because he’s a proven commodity and is paid accordingly.

            PS: He sucks balls. He’s the biggest balls sucker in the joint.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Whatever you think of Bill Maher, I think the nails THIS…

    • GPLDAN
      • AlbertInTucson

        I’m not a fan either, but his take on the evening newscasts is dead on.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Did he really get a round of applause for saying climate-change? What the fuck is happening here?

      • AlbertInTucson

        For sure “Climate Change” is doublespeak for “Another way to tax your ass”.

        And spare me all the “research” on Global Warming/Climate Change. Those researchers have admitted they played with the data to get the answers they wanted.

        Nothing affects the climate on this planet more that the Sun and sunspot activity and that was completely and intentionally disregarded in Scumbag Al Gore’s pseudo-science because it screwed HIS “findings and he couldn’t find a way to make a buck off of Sunspots.

        Other than that I have no opinion on this matter.

        • Irish Sweetness

          It’s insane. The weather patterns on Earth change in a cyclical manner? Duh. We have ice-ages. We will have an ice-age again, not that we’ll be around to see it given our propensity for blowing shit up.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The amount of reliable weather data is evivalent to about a nano seconds worth in the history of the planet.

            The sooner Al Gore is busted for fraud, the better.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 2h2 hours ago

    I said it a few weeks ago, the salary cap will be higher than the projected $140M. Reports from league sources now saying no less than $143M

    dan durkin @djdurkin · 2h2 hours ago

    LRT: If $143M is the cap limit, the #Bears (as currently constructed) will have $30M of cap space to work with.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider · 24h24 hours ago

    John Elway on Peyton Manning: ‘We want him back.’ Added that Manning hasn’t given him a ‘definitive decision.’

    • Trac

      It makes me think Manning might hang up his spurs. He doesn’t strike me as a guy that would be interested in hanging around just to play. I wonder what his feelings were on Foxy getting canned?

  • 25TDs, 18Ints, 3,900 yds…Winston or Cutler?

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, Winston was a TO machine last year. Besides his off-field crap, that would be the one thing that worries me about him. Well, that his semi-slow release.

      • He might be OVER confident. In his presser, Winston said, “I’m positive. I don’t even dwell on the negative.”…”Gotta have a short term memory.” That’s well and good, but that can also lead to a cavalier recklessness with the football (hence the TOs), which we’re all too familiar with.

        To his credit, Winston did bring up cutting down on the TOs, but Cutler’s in year 10 and same results.

        • BerwynBomber

          Too bad Mariota isn’t blessed with Winston’s arm. Then you might be talking a guy who could seriously compete against Luck and Wilson as the Brady/Peyton and Rodgers generations fade.

          • TBH, Mariotta’s arm doesn’t worry me as much (Andy Dalton has proven one can be relatively successful with a mediocre arm) as his total lack of running an NFL style O. Even in HS, he ran a spread-option.

            So He has minimal experience under center, dropping back, while keeping his head up, looking down field, going through progressions, anticipation, rhythmic timing routes (not bubble screens), pre-snap recognitions, etc etc.

            Add his inconsistent accuracy (on real routes), and meddling arm, and you got yourself a huge risk.

          • BerwynBomber

            I am thinking the kid is a quick study/dedicated student … BUT … I wouldn’t much dispute your take. Sill, I at least want the Bears to thoroughly scout him.

          • His character is through the roof. But that’s the million dollar question. How football smart is he? How fast can he learn an NFL playbook (he’s already at a disadvantage)? CAN he learn those things that many pocket passers already possess as instinct?

            No spread-option QB to date has turned himself into a successful pocket passer. Some point to Wilson, but he had some experience in a traditional O, not too mention that on tape he was much more accurate than Mariotta, IMO.

            I’m beginning to think that spread-option QBs CAN’T learn how to become an NFL QB. By then, it’s too late, compared to other QBs who were pocket passers since they were 9. Once the NFL begins to conclude this, maybe top QBs coming into college will REFUSE to play in a spread-option program because it’ll hurt their careers in the long run.

          • BerwynBomber

            It is a very valid point (about the college spread offenses not preparing kids for the pros) and I have heard Bowen make the same point on the Score.

            Wilson, I believe, ran a hybrid offense at Wisky. In fact, if memory serves its pro element was one of his reasons for choosing Madison when he transferred.

          • willbest

            Wilson’s stats are good because with Lynch he isn’t asked to do a whole lot. Luck can carry the entire offense.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Lynch has the 4th most rushing attempts in the NFL this season, so that’s not true.

            Wilson’s stats are good because he’s a smart guy that can throw accurately and with power on the move, and he’s very mobile and agile to boot.

    • I saw his interview. Definitely confident. Not exactly as articulate as Wilson, but hey, Marino didn’t exactly wow you with his verbal acumen.

      Winston reminded me of…Cullpepper. Even looks a lil like him.
      One thing that popped up on his profile were his hands. 9 in /3/8ths. That’s sorta small, esp for a nearly 6’4 dude. By comparison, Wilson has 10 inch hands.

      So, I checked out Culpepper’s hand size. 9.5 inches. Didn’t he turn it over a lot? We all know the dish on Sexy Rexy’s hands.

      Hey, it’s the “slave auction” part of the season. Anyhow, I ran across “small handed” QB-metric article.

      Yes, it exists.

      http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/47036/311/exploring-qb-hand-size

      • BerwynBomber

        Good info on the hand-size stuff. And yep, Winston’s hands are small for a guy of his stature. Btw, “nearly” 6’4″? I thought he was a solid 6’4″ if not 6’5″.

        Culpepper seemed the better runner than Winston, though maybe I am overselling the former and underselling the latter.

        Btw, QB height is a big thing too. Don’t know if I would draft a guy (at least in the first round) under 6’3″. There are of course exceptions in the league — Wilson (5’10”,) Brees (6’0″), even Rodgers (6’1″) — but most of the top guys are 6’4″ or taller — Peyton, Brady, R-berger, Rivers, Flacco, Eli, Ryan, etc., etc.

        Seems like if you’re under 6’3 (or so) you better have at least one exceptional asset/talent as an NFL QB to offset the lack of height.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Glennon is 6’6 and already NFL ready, wouldn’t cost us a first rounder either. Big paws, already gone through kindergarten. jus’ sayin’.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 17m17 minutes ago
    DE/OLB Randy Gregory has BUST written all over him. He has a lot of weight to add at just 235 and he doesn’t fit the OLB mold. Stay away.
    —-

    Same with Shane Ray. He is too small to play at good level in the NFL. Speed and quickness gets you only so far. He will get stonewalled by big OL guys..just like Shae McClellin.

    Surprised Randy Gregory is just 235. Can he add 20-25 pounds and keep improve his game? Seems a lot to ask.

  • BerwynBomber
    • This only tells me that some team ordered their doctor to “test his shoulder” so that maybe Winston would fall.

      Wouldn’t be surprised if it was the Jet’s doctor.

      Lovie’s gonna draft that dude.

  • DE/OLB measurements: Fowler/FLA (6025, 261), Gregory/NEB (6047, 235), Ray/MIZZOU (6025, 245), Beasley/CLEM (6030, 246). – Bowen tweet

    Shane Ray, 6’2 245 will be interesting. Is he more a Bruce Irvin or Von Miller?

    Luckily, we have slave auction stats to compare. Here was Von Miller’s combine.

    http://www.nfl.com/player/vonmiller/2495202/combine

    • 3 of Fangio’s 4 OLBs in SF were 260+ pounds, the 4th was 250. He likes bigger guys that can serve as de facto DEs need be. Gives him more versatility.

      Not that he’ll only take those guys, just something to keep in mind.

  • John Doe

    Dan Wiederer @danwiederer · 34m34 minutes ago

    General sentiment re: Bears is that Fox was a slam dunk hire but that the team really struck it big with the coordinators too.

    Dan Wiederer @danwiederer · 35m35 minutes ago

    Six weeks after Ryan Pace became a GM, still haven’t found anyone around league who’s not optimistic about what he can do w Bears.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Co-ordinators. Hmmm.

      Perhaps Krishna could make the shite of a dog shine like diamonds .. but a co-ordinator ?
      Could a coordinator have messed up a Joe Montana offense or the Bears ’85 defense? In fact, Buddy Ryan probably cost us the perfect season with his relentless blitzing of the quickest release in football. Just give us a good roster.

  • John Doe

    Tony Pauline @TonyPauline · 44m44 minutes ago
    Garrett Grayson/QB/Colorado State pro-day set for March 23rd

  • Moving to a 3-4 – fortuitous

    INDIANAPOLIS — There is a great lament coming from a lot of personnel people and coaches here at the scouting combine, and it has to do with a lack of down 4-3 pass rushers.

    Like the pocket quarterback, many wonder where they’ve gone.

    Have the spread offenses impacted the edge rushers, too?

    “It makes it harder to find them,” one defensive coach said. “The big, power ends are almost a thing of the past. The 265-pound ends we all need are all now 235-pound guys who might have to stand up.”

    Pete Prisco
    Senior NFL Columnist
    2015 NFL Combine: Why Dante Fowler could go No. 3 to Jaguars
    February 20, 2015 4:59 pm ET

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/25075533/nfl-combine-why-dante-fowler-could-go-no-3-to-jaguars

    • Fangio might see Fowler as his Aldon.

      • John Doe

        LOL! Fowler is honest…
        —-

        Chris Burke @ChrisBurke_SI · 6h6 hours ago

        St. Pete native Dante Fowler asked if he grew up a Bucs fan. Smiled, hesitates a bit. “I liked the Bucs … but the Bucs are the Bucs.”

  • John Doe

    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 15m15 minutes ago
    Falcons And Bears Expected To Have Interest In ILB David Harris http://bit.ly/1z5HDaV

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      agent doing his thing. He’s way to old for the Bears.

  • John Doe

    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 2h2 hours ago

    Browns Will Reportedly Attempt To Trade For Rams QB Sam Bradford http://bit.ly/1w6iguX

    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 2h2 hours ago

    Browns Trading Up For Marcus Mariota Is A “Very Real” Possibility http://bit.ly/1z5CfVd

    Mariota will cost too much to move up. Plus Browns are set to lose a pick in the texting during game mess. Bradford has 2 ACLs and costs $13 million. Cutler will be a steal by comparison.

    • BerwynBomber

      They want Bradford over Cutty? Fuck!

      I wouldn’t go near Bradford unless it was for a song. He’s got chronically injured/short career stamped all over him.

      • John Doe

        Browns are definitely in play for Cutler. Or if Rams lose Bradford, they might be interested in Cutler. I doubt any team will pay $13 million that he has on his current contract.

        Jason La Canfora ✔ @JasonLaCanforaFollow

        Sam Bradford has permission to seek a trade. Finding compensation to Rams’ liking will be difficult. But his agent can speak to other teams

        1:06 PM – 18 Feb 2015

        • Irish Sweetness

          We won’t hear about it unless he’s finally traded, but the Jets, Titans and Browns at the very least are all in discussion with the Bears over Cutty That’s their business. He’s probably the biggest commodity available in the most important market there is.

          I continue with fervent prayers that it’s the Titans who give it up for Cutty and we turn the sour-faced goldenchild into Leonard Williams. And then people in the NFCN are gonna get fucked UP.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Bradford almost makes Chris Chandler look, “Durable”.

        • BerwynBomber

          The “Chandelier”. Was one of the better nicknames in all of sports.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Bradford belongs to the Special Olympics according to the amount of injuries he’s had….no offense to anyone, seriously…the guy has been hurt more than anything..I am also drunk typing so my bad

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          i know you said no offense and you are drunk, but that is a really bad analogy.

          • Johnnywad

            No offense generally means “Hey. Listen up. I’m about to say something that will offend you.”

            Always puzzled me.

          • Cormonster

            You know, I don’t want to sound like a queer or nothing, but I think Depeche Mode is a sweet band.

  • Here’s a small clip on spread college QBs. Apparently, I’m not alone questioning their future.

    http://cbsprt.co/1EZoJHh

  • burntorangenavyblue

    My response to Jeff’s last Twitter? WTF?

    • EnderWiggin

      Hemnostradamingway.

  • We can’t keep rolling out Garza, can we?

    • EnderWiggin

      I wonder if the Garza signing was a parting shot…

    • Johnnywad

      Only 30?

      • BearDown100393

        Beats 40

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      De la Puente.

      • CanadaBear

        He’s an UFA. Not sure if he gets re-signed.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Polak is an UFA himself.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve been pretty underwhelmed by the New Orleans OLmen we signed. Both Bushrod and BDLP seem like just a couple of guys. I could see Long going to LT and move Bushrod over to RT. Sending Mills to either RG or the bench. I have no issue if they leave Long at RG but I think he could make the move to LT.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            No right side for Long. RG or RT.

            It’s difficult to judge the OL group because they ran so little and always vanilla stuff.

            I never liked Bushrod.

          • the two options at the time were Bushrod and Long (who went to the Rams).

            Long is getting released cuz he’s been inj prone.

            Bushrod had a down year last season, but he’s serviceable.

            I too would like to see Long at OT, but I would like to see him at RT before LT just so he can get acclimated to the outside footing and speed rushers. If he excels for a year, then maybe LT.

            Mills I always felt was meant for OG. I think he would really do well in there.

            However, Bushrod, Mills, Slauson, Long were Kromer scheme players.

            I’m not sure how Gase’s Oline system is. I think they ran a zone scheme, but is it the same where the OGs are stressed while the OTs funnel the rushers to the outside so the QB can step up?

            Something to think about.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Bushrod looked better last season when Slausen was next to him.

          • CanadaBear

            True enough.

    • Irish Sweetness

      They’ve been doing it for years, Butch. I’ve given up banging the drum.

      Only 30. That’s funny. His agent put that in. Genius.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 9h9 hours ago
    One scenario could be something as straight across as Brandon Marshall to SF for Patrick Willis. Essentially a salary swap. #Bears

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      this dude is in ‘the most stupid tweet of the day’ contest ?

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 14h14 hours ago
    According to a report, the #Eagles are willing to give up both 1st’s this year & their 2016 1st for Mariota if he makes it past the 5th pick

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      that’s a stupid raport. If he’s so valuable he won’t make it past the 5th pick.

    • willbest

      The Bills traded #9 plus their 2015 first & fourth round picks to move up 5 spots to #4 in order to draft Watkins. The Eagles are going to have to give up a hell of a lot more than #20 plus their most likely 12+ to jump 15 spots. Some where in the order of the #1 & 2 this year plus their #1 next year plus two mid round this year or next year.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Sound like a fantasy but if that possibilty is dangling when the Bears pick they should run, not walk, to grab it.

  • Irish Sweetness

    BEGIN_MOVIE_RANT

    Just watched the worst movie of 2014 and possibly the millenium. North Korea were acting with foresight in demanding that the movie ‘The Interview’ not be distributed, it would have prevented me from seeing it and losing that time forever. I swore I wasn’t going to watch it once ‘Fox and friends’ demanded that everyone in America watch this movie. I was weak. Its direness cannot be adequately expressed in words. The sheer magnitude of its shite-ness is a quantity approaching infinity. As I fought back tears thinking that somebody, some room-temperature IQ high-schooler actually got paid for their terrible, terrible script and that a studio green-lighted this piece of shit …I began to envy them. Is this formulaic, insulting “it’s a comedy/it’s serious” sewer-water trash actually mandated I wondered, or was it just a CIA propaganda slush-fund financing it … and then the end credits rolled ….. ending with – I kid you not – ‘winds of change’ by the Scorpions …..a cliche within a cliche (aside: turn back the clock to the Scorpions producer listening to a playback of that epic piece of eurotrash ‘rock’ …. “Hey, what this really needs is a guy whistling on it…”)

    And there it was …

    Written, directed by and starring … Seth Rogen.

    Now wanted for crimes against intelligence and taste. You have been tried in a court of your peers Seth Rogen and you have been found wanting. You have been found guilty of low standards, pandering to the lowest common denominator, poor taste, and you are a whore, sir. May this herald the end of your career as it most certainly should. Terminate with extreme prejudice.

    And I want Judge Dredd to do it.

    END_MOVIE_RANT

    • BearDown100393

      Dennis Rodman is thankful for this post. He will now remember to get his bluray copy signed by BFF Kim Jong-un during his next ambassador tour.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      What in the hell made you watch that movie ? It’s like you have some sort of self respect crisis.

      • Yes, but then you can read the Lord of the RIngs, and find out how much of a piece of shit Game of Thrones is.

        See, the circle completes, like the ring.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          That’s like saying to a dude that is an enthusiastic weed smoker that cocaine is a superior drug, so his weed is shit.

          You’re talking about 2 different things.

          Frankly it’s the first time I’ve heard such a thing: the book is way better than another movie. Usually it’s ‘the book is better than the movie’, but better than another movie ? It makes no sense.

          Maybe the Lord of the RIngs is better than the Game of Thrones book, but that kind of makes my point.

    • Johnnywad

      Now I feel I should see it just for the spectacle of it.

    • I began watching it. I shit you not, I couldn’t continue after 5 mins.
      I almost want to try again as some sort of right of passage, but I can’t.

      Seth Rogan. That explains it. STONER.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Fast becoming the Adam Sandler of his generation…?

        • haha, perhaps, Albert !
          But at least I can sit through some of Sandler’s movies, I couldn’t even get comfy in my recliner before I put something else on.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Dear Seth,

            Kristen Bell naked inyour movie?

            Good concept.

            YOU naked inyour movie?

            Not so much.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Seth Rogan. The man who thought we all wanted/needed to see his junk in FORGETTING SARAH MARSHALL.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        not seth rogan – you are thinking of Jason Segel

        • AlbertInTucson

          Even worse.

    • AlbertInTucson

      So whatyou are saying is that the movie about trying to kill Kim Jong Un is…

      UN-watchable?

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “He’s right. RT @ProFootballTalk: Mike McCarthy: I thought the Packers were the best team in football”

    Nope, the Patriots are. They won the SB. That is how it works.

    McCarthy is gagging away the Rodgers years up there. He seems like a good HC but not much more than that. Put it this way, if I had Aaron Rodgers and was choosing a coaching staff for him I might choose Fox/Gase/Fangio over McCarthy/Clements/Capers.

    Wonder if McCarthy will land on the hot seat in a year or two. Rodgers’ career clock is ticking. Cheese brass, one presumes, is aware of this.

    • Johnnywad

      Wow. That’s a hell of an endorsement of the recent hires.

      • BerwynBomber

        I think the Bears have an excellent coaching staff. Fangio, I think, is a potential game changer.

        • Johnnywad

          I think I agree. I just hadn’t stopped to consider the comparison to Green Bay’s staff. It would really be refreshing if the Bears prove to be the best coached team in the division.

          • BerwynBomber

            McCarthy and staff are good. But I don’t know if I would rate him much higher than top ten. Tough list to compose, I suppose. Belichick is, of course, hands down #1. After that I would have John Harbaugh. After that … who knows? Tomlin, maybe?

            I suppose part of the problem is there is so much turnover in the HC ranks from year to year that you naturally default to the guys with tenure on such a list.

            But yeah, I think the Bears will be very well-coached next year. The defense, I believe, will immediately be competent.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Pete Caroll is No. 1 today.

            2 No.1 NFC seeds and 2 Super Bowl appearances the last 2 years.

          • BerwynBomber

            Could be. I still like Harbaugh a lot. Very impressed what that organization has done in the post-Lewis/Reed years. Seemed like a quick rebuild.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Sure, but he’s 3rd at best at this point.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Best team in the NFL my ass. They just stumbled into a hot as hell QB.

      It was a stunning development that they ended up in the NFC Championship.

      • BerwynBomber

        I don’t think there was one dominant team in the NFL last year, but when one has arguably the best HC since Lombardi and a HoF QB, they’re going to be tough to beat.

        Otherwise, I felt NE, SEA, BALT, DAL and GB all looked to be on rather equal footing by season’s end. DEN too until Manning’s arm turned into a wet noodle.

        But yeah silly statement from McCarthy so far removed from the NFCC.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Arizona and Denver were better teams that paid the price of underwhelming Qb play, for different reasons.

          The Patriots were the best team in the NFL hands down.

          • BerwynBomber

            Wonder if AZ will hugely regret that Palmer contract? I am no Cutler fan but AZ would have been an ideal trading partner for him if they had not invested so much in Palmer.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I doubt they’ll regret his signing as long as he’s healthy.

            He can be solid and that’s enough for them… a Defensive-ST team.

          • BerwynBomber

            But that’s just it: health. Second or third time Palmer has gone down with a season-ending injury. I think he is solid too but a) he is old, and b) he seems a little brittle.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Well… it’s not like Cutler is injury free.

          • Hands down? I don’t think so.
            They nearly got beat by the Ravens, and they were a run away from losing the SB.

            And the Packers could have beat them too, imo.

            As Berwn said, no “dominant” team last season.

            The Pats just did what they had to do. They were more consistent perhaps because Bill abd Brady have been doing it for a decade.

            They got it done, but that’s really no different than those Giants SB teams.

            Not dominant, and perhaps not even the best team, but they found a way.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Those Giants SB teams were wild card teams that got hot at the end of the year. New England had the best record in the NFL-tied.

            The Patriots beat all the AFC division winners and the NFC No.1 seed.

            I never said they were dominant. I said they were the best team in the NFL without any doubt.

            Against NFL playoff teams their record was 7-1.
            Wins: Ravens, Broncos, Bengals, Colts X 2, Lions, Seahawks.
            Loss: Pakers

          • They were only the best team in the NFL without a doubt in YOUR mind.

            In my mind, and a lot of others, there was doubt (and they did almost get beat).

            It’s semantics anyways. I tend to go with whomever wins the SB is the best team in the NFL, even those Gmen.

            But it wasn’t “hands down”. Maybe the Romanian lingo differs, but I interpret “hands down” as no argument, when really I do think other teams could’ve contended for that title, esp the Seahawks.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Yeah… Seattle is the only other team you can make a case for. But don’t you take them off the list after that Paker game ?

            They beat the Cardinals that managed to get the record for worst Offensive numbers in history against them and got highly dominated at home by a crappy team with a one legged QB.

            AGAIN… THE PATRIOTS WENT 7-1 AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS. That’s not lingo, that’s a winning season top to bottom. So it’s not only the ‘whomever wins the SB’ argument…it’s dominance for an extended period of time.

            They went 13-2 since late September including a Week 17 loss…basically a 13-1 run.

            In MY opinion a Super Bowl winning 13-1 run makes you the best team in the NFL ‘hands down’, but you’re free to believe whatever you want.

          • So you’re cherry picking criteria?
            Is your criteria that whoever wins the most vs playoff teams is the best team?
            Lots of holes in that.
            For instance, no one believe the colts were gonna win the SB
            The Ravens squeaked in, and went up on the Pats by 14 TWICE at their place..

            I’m pretty sure that the Pats won vs more “playoff teams” those years when they lost the Gmen, but that still didn’t make them the better team, obviously.
            Owning the best record when you face the Jets, Bills and Fins consistently means crap. Oh, the Bills and Fins improved, but give me a break – that division has been garbage for a long time, and only this past season has improved.
            I like how you cherry pick more stats (I thought you were against that when you brought up how many playoffs Stafford and Megatron won?) by citing Sept.

            Now, if you wanna lay out the premise that the best team wins from late sept AND wins the most vs playoff teams, then I’ll have to agree with you, but even then, SEA was 3 yds away from making Brady a 3 time losing SB QB.

            And SEA was a onside KO recovery from losing to a groinless Rodgers.

            And the Pack were a “catchless” Dez from advancing

            And the Boys won on a questionable call from the Meows.

            So, no, I would NOT say the Pats were “hands down” the best team in ’14.

            They were the best team, but not hands down.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            So I’m saying the Super Bowl winners, No. 1 seed in the AFC-NFL, that went on 13-1 run including 7-1 against playoff teams… and it’s cherry picking.

            You’re giving me some here and there plays and situations during games as the reason they weren’t without doubt the best team… man…that’s the definition of cherry picking.

            WINS aren’t stats. They’re games you proved to be the better team. Blowouts or game changing plays… they made them. There were no miracle dump luck moments. The fact they had to overcome never in history comeback moments against the Ravens and Seahawks makes my point.

            You can be the best team in the NFL and lose the SB. The Patriots did both. They would have had the best record in the NFL if they wouldn’t lost by playing the reserves in Week 17 (which Seattle and the Packers didn’t). That’s what makes it a ‘hands down’ situation. Best regular season record and Super Bowl champion.

            Using your logic there’ aren’t any ‘hands sown’ best teams in the NFL ever. Not even the Seahawks last year, because Bowman fucked up his knee and dropped the INT ball or Kopernick threw a stupid pick in the red zone against Sherman that deflected into the hand of a LB. That pick was 10 times more stupid that the Butler pick.

            PS: Don’t give be that Bills, Fins, Jets are poor losing arguments. The Patriots played only 5 games against sub 8-8 teams….Jets x 2, Vikings, Bears, Raiders.

            The other games ?

            Broncos 10-4
            Chiefs 9-7
            Chargers 9-7
            Packers 12-4
            Lions 11-5
            Colts 11-5
            Bengals 10-5
            Dolphins 8-8 x2
            Bills 9-7 x2

            The Pakers played 9 games against Sub 8-8 teams. Fucking 9. The Seahawks had 6.

          • Irish Sweetness

            So if Marshawn runs it in from the one, and the Hawks win the SB … the Pats are hands-down better? Arse-grapes, barb. The Hawks didn’t lose that game, their coach threw it away.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            If Bostik does his, if the Sdoes this, if McCartey doest that, if the other S covers the 2 point conversion… the Hawks aren’t in the Super Bowl to begin with…. the if a play is this or that game is bush league arguments.

            The Seahawks are the only team that can make you say the Patriots weren’t hands down the best team in the NFL the last year. I think you can scratch them out after that NFC Championship game and even the 6-8 Panthers game 1 week before.

            They played 6 under 8-8 teams, beat twice a dead 8-8 49ers team, beat twice a Caleb Haine led Cardinals team, beat a Sanchez led Philly team. That’s 11 games.

            In the real games they lost to Dallas, the Chargers and the Chiefs, won against the Pakers in the season opening, against Denver at home in Week 3.

            That’s their season… 2 great convincing wins. The Patriots had 7 (8 including the Super Bowl).

            That’s 4 times more. 400%.

            PS: You guys should employ some standards or something.

            here’s the Seahawks season:

            1. Pakers Win
            2. Chargers Loss
            3. Denver Win

            4. Redskins Win
            5. Cowboys Loss
            6. Rams Loss
            7. Panthers Win
            8. Raiders Win
            9. Giants Win
            10. Chiefs Loss
            11. Cardinals Win (Caleb haine)
            12. 49ers Win (dead)
            13. Eagles Win (Mark Sanchez)
            14. 49ers Win (buried)
            15. Cardinals Win (Jordan Palmer)
            16. Rams Win

            Playoffs:
            Panthers
            Pakers

            From October to the Super Bowl they faced 3 real teams in proper big boy games. Lost against the Cowboys and the Chiefs and won against the Pakers in the NFC Championship (won is a big world…better said stumbled).

            Yeah… this looks like the fucking best team in the NFL. If they could just ran the ball.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Cardinals are a great team if they can find a QB, but overall the Haw3ks are better than the Pats IMO. Carroll really fucked up bigtime. Brainfart.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            No they aren’t.

            You can’t say that after the Paker game… and the Super Bowl.

          • BerwynBomber

            Only thing that might have snagged GB at the end (in a hypothetical SB) was Rodger’s torn calf muscle. Eventually their O may have had to carry them and the Cheese’s O never looked prolific again after Rodgers’ injury. I credit the guy for gutting it out but he wasn’t the same player.

            But I do think it was the most well-rounded Cheese team since their SB year.

            Hell, if you think about it … the Kittens didn’t look too far behind the top five or six themselves.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ah, shite Barb. If Pete Carroll calls the play every man, woman and dog in the universe would have called, the Hawks are superbowl champs.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Ok… lets forget the circus, one in a lifetime catch the WR had 2 plays before that. One play here and there is not what makes a team the best of the year.

            If Kopernick doesn’t throw a incredibly bad pass for Crabtree very likely the Seahawks don’t become SB champions in 2013.

            If Haurbaugh doesn’t throw 3 times in the 2012 Super Bowl from the 1 maybe the 49ers win and Ravens don’t.

    • willbest

      The only thing McCarthy hasn’t done right is fire Capers. The loss to Seattle could be laid at Rodgers feet just as easily as McCarthy’s.

      • BerwynBomber

        Rodgers didn’t play well but that loss was about STs and D meltdowns and conservative play-calling. Basically, on McCarthy and a couple of goats — namely, the kid who botched the onside recovery.

        McCarthy has always been a questionable game manager. His punt return screen with Randall Cobb against us a few years ago may have been the single biggest bonehead coaching move I have ever seen until Seattle’s last play in the SB.

  • Scott W.

    Too bad we don’t get a bonus, anyone-you-want luxury pick. I’d be okay with Kevin White (WVU) in a Bears uniform. I know, I know. WR is least of our needs.

  • Scott W.

    Count me 100% out of the Winston camp. No. Thank. You.
    Would be nice to snag Marioto though.

  • I’m very curious where this guy will end up

    Missouri WR Dorial Green-Beckham managed a 9-foot-11 broad jump and 33 1/2-inch vertical at the NFL Combine.
    Green-Beckham turned heads with his weigh-in (6-foot-5, 237) and ran exceptionally well (4.49, 4.50) for his size, but the jumps that best measure explosion didn’t go as well. He managed 13 reps on the bench, also not particularly impressive for a wideout with average arm length (32 1/2″).

    • BerwynBomber

      For every Megatron there is a Darius Heyward-Bust.

      • willbest

        preach it!

      • AlbertInTucson

        Or a David Terrell.

  • wow. WR White ran a 4.35. Add that to his size + production, and he’ll be a Raider.

    Cooper will be the 2nd WR taken, and some might want to trade up for him if he falls to us at #7.

    • really hoping 2 WRs go before Bears at 7. And 2 QBs. And Leonard Williams. That would require only one more player not named Dante Fowler to be selected for Chicago to have the perfect Fangio OLB fall into their laps.

      • John Doe

        Amari Cooper is going to fall. He is not even a top 10 pick. Plus, if Dante Fowler is rising up the board, he will be taken at by Washington at #5. They need OLB to replace Brian Orakpo.

        I agree with this latest Matt Miller mock..

        Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · 7h7 hours ago

        Looking at my last mock draft…not sure anything changes from the top 8.

        1. Winston 2. Gregory 3. Williams 4. White 5. Fowler 6. Mariota 7. Shelton 8. Ray

        • I will be absolutely shocked if the Bears grab Shelton. No NT under Fangio has ever played even 500 snaps in a season. He wants those guys off the field in nickel situations. Why spend a top 10 pick on a guy you want on the field less than half the time?

          • John Doe

            They have met Shelton twice already.. at Senior Bowl and this week at Combine. Let’s see if they think he is so special to spend #7.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            really twice… that means its going to happen then, because no one in their right mind would do something twice and not follow through with it.

  • AlbertInTucson

    OK. Who ELSE has seen NONE of the best picture nominees?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      yeap

    • BearDown100393

      I do not know which films were even nominated.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Irish’s Oscar thumbnail:

      Glad CitizenFour won. People might watch it now. Birdman only won because it’s actors voting for a movie about acting. ‘Boyhood’ took 12 years to make and deserved it on effort alone. Redmayne won because he sat in a wheelchair. If you want to win Best Actor you have to star in another holocaust movie or get into that wheelchair. Simmons win for best supporting was a penalty kick, as was Moore’s who didn’t stop crying all night and she looks really old. Knightley had the best dress, Johansson had the best tits.

  • BerwynBomber

    Easy prediction: unless he thinks Fales can be an eventual starter, Pace will select a QB in this year’s draft.

    Longer odds prediction: if Mariota is there at seven, Pace will either select him or trade the pick to the Iggles for Nick Foles and their #1.

    • NewBearInTown

      Do you do that deal?
      Foles is a system QB, he will not perform as well on any other team.

      • BerwynBomber

        Was he a spread QB in CFB? I don’t think he was. If not, yes I do that deal. If not, I still might do it.

        • NewBearInTown

          I definitely see the value in taking Foles over Cutler, but do you trade down that far to do it? There are some very talented pass rushers at the top of this draft, and those guys don’t come cheap in FA either.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair point. Would come down to whether Pace/Fox see Foles a a guy they can win with for the next four or five years. In other words, being a mere bridge guy might not be enough. My own view is that he could be a Flacco-level guy. In that case, I would make he deal.

            Anyway, pure hypothetical. Who knows if Mariota will even last until #7.

  • BearDown100393

    58 cent sweater bought at a Goodwill translated into $43,020 profit at an auction. The sweater belonged to Lombardi when he coached West Point. ESPN has the story.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming‏@AaronLemingNFL

    The running list of prospects the #Bears have met w/ since the start of the draft process is here: DT Shelton (x2), OLB Dupree, DL Edwards, RB Coleman, RB Brown, S Prewitt, CB Williams, CB Henderson

    Dan Welter ‏@Dan_Welter 3h3 hours ago

    @AaronLemingNFL those RBs definitely solidifies the rumors that they are shopping Forte.

    Aaron Leming ‏@AaronLemingNFL 3h3 hours ago

    @Dan_Welter Was told yesterday they plan on running a committee backfield like Fox has always done. Doesn’t bode well for Forte.

    ——

    If they are shopping Forte, you better believe they are trying to get rid of Cutler and Marshall.

    They are going for full blown rebuild in 2015. Forget about keeping Cutler and Marshall together ‘to win in 2015’ when even Forte is not safe. Pace and Fox want to completely tear down the roster and build it up with their vision and plan. They have maximum latittude and leverage NOW to make tough decisions like getting rid of Cutler, Marshal, Forte etc.

    • Johnnywad

      Your powers of deduction are unparalleled.

    • beninnorcal

      You can only hope, John Doe, you can only hope.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I have to tell you. That Leming dude is either very stupid or making money by acting like he is.

      Running by committee means you extend Forte and draft a power RB.

      Running by committee doesn’t mean you play rookies, bums and nobodies.

      • SC Dave

        Leming is a troll, by all appearances.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          agree. unfortunately we get to have constant updates of his twitter feed in the comments section

  • John Doe

    Rotoworld:

    Geno Smith – QB – Jets

    After attending the NFL Combine, ESPN New York’s Rich Cimini gets the “preliminary sense” that the Jets won’t be using the No. 6 overall pick on a quarterback.

    Per Cimini, the “vibe close to the organization” is that new GM Mike Maccagnan isn’t in “quarterback-or-bust mode.” Smith finished 2014 strong and will be an intriguing match for new OC Chan Gailey’s Pistol Spread offense, one similar to the system in which Geno played at West Virginia. Smith improved his completion rate, TD-to-INT ratio, and QB rating as a sophomore. His physical skills are superior to any free agent quarterback’s.

    • BerwynBomber

      Good luck with that NYJ.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Not knocking your preferences or taste Jeff but the Muppets and Apes ship has sailed a long time ago for Awards shows of today.

    • Irish Sweetness

      It’s well known that Hollywood is full of apists.

      And two Mexican Oscars in a row? Conspiracy theories HELLO !
      Everyone knows Mexicans have Hollywood sewn up between them and you can’t get a job unless you habla the Espanol.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    After spending 10 mins reading the latest comments posted, I don’t know how you guys spend so much time thinking of the what ifs of the combine and draft and off-season scenarios…I’m afraid I will speed up the graying of my hair if I did that …but I still enjoy reading your posts!

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Fact that this year’s Apes film and Muppets Most Wanted aren’t nominated invalidates the entire Academy Awards proceedings.”

    Apparently I missed the brilliance that was Neil Patrick Harris doing his “Hey lookit me in my tightie-whitey unperpants.” bit.

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