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The Free Agency Notebook: Day 1

| March 11th, 2015

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IN BEARS LAND…

  • Antrel Rolle is not a great player anymore…and I’m not sure he ever was a great player. He was an alarming liability in coverage last year for the Giants. But the second he signs with the Bears he’ll improve the safety position and he is also one of the most accountable leaders in the league. (He also does a weekly radio show in NYC and delivers brutally honest assessments of his defense’s play.) The Bears shouldn’t be relying on his services two or three years down the road but he is someone who can make a few plays short-term.
  • Eddie Royal excites me. Royal is a perfect complementary receiver for Alshon Jeffery and his history with Jay Cutler will lead to an immediate comfort zone. Royal has been one of my favorites for years.
  • J.T. Thomas received a nice contract from the New York Giants. I wrote this about Thomas in August of 2013: “JT Thomas is one of those players who jumps off the preseason screen. But the numbers game does not work in his favor. Williams, Anderson, Briggs, Costanzo, Bostic and Greene are on this roster. Thomas is a long shot but if I’m the Bears I find him a role on specials and let him make plays.”

THE THREE BLOCKBUSTER TRADES

  • My first thought when Jay Glazer reported the Seahawks had acquired Jimmy Graham from the Saints was if they had him a few months ago they don’t throw that moronic slant route and lose the Super Bowl. I have issues with Russell Wilson’s accuracy from the pocket but guess what, it doesn’t matter now. If he puts the ball within three yards of Graham’s head it’ll be caught. Can’t imagine a scenario wherein the Seahawks don’t open the season as favorites to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.

  • Lions dealing a 4th and 5th rounder for Haloti Ngata is interesting. But it also strikes me as a bit of a panic move from an organization that lost the most dominant defensive tackle in the sport without much of a fight. Giving up the middle of your draft for a somewhat injury-prone DT on the other side of thirty is a move that should be made by a team on the precipice of a championship. I don’t think the Lions are that team.
  • So the Eagles acquired Sam Bradford for a second round pick and Nick Foles. If Bradford doesn’t start they get a compensatory third round pick. If he starts less than 50% of the snaps, they get a fourth round pick. Peter King reported that “Chip came hard after Bradford.” But are we really meant to believe that Kelly is no longer interested in his dream child, Marcus Mariota, because he has Bradford and Mark Sanchez in the quarterbacks room? He shouldn’t be.

FIVE OTHER WHEELINGS & DEALINGS

  • Da’Norris Searcy got paid like a top of the line of the safety. I’ve never seen that player in all the Bills games I’ve watched and that’s about 75% of the games they’ve played.
  • Jets corners were a train wreck last season. Now that they’re pairing Darrelle Revis with Buster Skrine they’ll be the league’s most improved unit in 2015 and Todd Bowles will have a field day attacking with that front seven. Now about their quarterback…
  • Revis will be studied in sports economics classes for years to come. He is the most brilliant businessman/player in the history of the league.
  • Why do I think Julius Thomas will be a little less productive down in Jacksonville?
  • Pot Roast Knighton might not want to tell media folks teams are out of the bidding for his services until he sees what the bids for his services are.

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  • willbest

    whew

  • Agree with pretty much everything on here. Good stuff, Jeff.

  • Scott W.

    Okay, this first day doesn’t signify the end of F/A so much as confirm my suspicion that Fox and Pace were looking for reliable journeymen, not superstars.
    Sorta makes me lean towards the next 2 years being surrendered to rebuild, not just this one.
    All kinds of questions can be hung on the back side of that guess.

    • willbest

      I expect the Bears to go 8-8 next year assuming they address at least 2 of the following holes in FA (WR, FS, ILB, DT)

      • Scott W.

        Sounds about right. Can I hope for 10-6?

        • willbest

          Not unless the AFCW or NFCW implodes

          • BerwynBomber

            Well … Denver could take a step back and doubtful SF does anything more than match their record from ’14, if that.

    • FourFeathers

      Well, a rebuild is the only option. I applaud Pace and Fox for not living in denial about the task at hand. Pace needs to kick ass in the draft and the path to good things can begin. But it’s going to take time.

      • Scott W.

        Yeah, indeed. Unfortunately, we are close to being the “no where to go but up” team.

        • AlbertInTucson

          But having lived thru a 1-13 campaign, I assure you things CAN get worse.

          • willbest

            Maybe on the field performance, but without the internet, sports radio, ESPN, twitter, etc I suspect it wasn’t a complete off the field circus.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’d sit through two seasons like that as long as we have a team at the end of it. In fact I’ll sit through another 30 seasons like that because they’re my Bears and you don’t change horses midstream.

          • Bobby Douglass

            Hear hear Irish. They’re always our Bears, aren’t they?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly! If we won all the time we wouldn’t have anything to bitch about!

          • Bobby Douglass

            I feel strangely better after that.

          • Sactowns#1

            I often wondered, in what part of the stream is it ok to change horses? And what if it’s shallow? Could I hop off and just walk?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Or at what point was a cowboy or an indian ever crossing a stream when they thought “Fuck, I need a different horse right now before I get out of the water.”

            Next week on When dubious etymologies go bad …. ‘The short end of the stick’.

    • NewBearInTown

      Green Bay, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, New England, Arizona. All teams that were quiet today. None of them are thinking rebuild.
      Don’t mistake Pace’s avoiding big name free agency for a white flag.

      • BerwynBomber

        Cheese did re-up Buluga, which was a bit surprising given his history of injuries.

        • NewBearInTown

          I think Buluga is on the same level as the McPhee and Rolle deals. These guys are meant to be starters, but not stars. And they’re paid accordingly.

          • Cormonster

            NBIT, what happened to the chess game? Taking a break?

          • NewBearInTown

            I’ve been absolutely swamped the last couple of weeks (and am losing more often because of it). I’ll jump back on in a week or so.

          • Cormonster

            Sounds good.

          • BerwynBomber

            Rolle, I believe, is highly durable. Buluga is not.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Do we want a 32 year old safety though?

          • For now. Woodson was pretty decent even last year (36?).
            Granted, Rolle’s no Woodsen, but he can be a “bridge” S.
            Never know. Vereen or some other draft pick could step up.
            Plus, he gives us some draft flexibility so we don’t reach for a S in the draft.

      • Scott W.

        I’m assuming it has as much to do with cap space as it does with taking a longer view.
        The teams you list are in far better shape than we are, so they aren’t as needy.
        Then again, I never thought our offense would perform as badly as it did last season.
        They may not be done yet, either, I get that.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I dunno. Pittsburgh has to rebuild a LOT of their defense.

        They would LIKE Troy Polamalu to retire like he should have done at least 2 years ago so they don’t have to cut him.

        Ike Taylor will be 35 before the 2015 season starts. Gotta figure he’s done, too.

        They just cut Brett Kiesel (36) and they don’t intend to re-sign James Harrison (36).

        William Gay is 30.

  • BearDown100393

    An alarming liability for another team immediately improves the Bears. Geez this team must really suck.

    • NewBearInTown

      At safety? Absolutely.

      • Scharfinator

        We don’t even have crystal Conte anymore!

  • Trac

    I was a little disappointed the Bears weren’t able to deal Cutler but I’m resigned to the fact he really was our best option for 2015. Other than that, I like the fact that Pace was careful not to pull an Emery and reach for FA ‘ S. Hopefully we’ll see a couple of shrewd moves as free agency progresses and I’m looking forward to see how things shape up till the draft.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      ‘pull an Emery and reach for FA ‘ S’

      lets not let fact get in the way of reality. Got any examples of Emery reaching in FA ? Enlighten us.

      this is insane.

      • Trac

        The Bears pretty much suck right? We know this? Yes? It makes absolutely no sense to drop a wad on FA while we rebuild.

        Two words Barb: Jared Allen

        FYI-Emery got fired for running a shit show. Every time I invoke Emery I find you at the end of the hook thrashing about like a hooked fish. Hahahahaha

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Stop the naive posts and talk ball.

          I asked you a question and you failed like an endangered species. Jared Allen signed with the Bears on 26 March 2015.

          Deeeeeep into the FA.

          Pick another example, maybe you save face.

          • Trac

            You want to talk ball? That isn’t possible until the roster is complete. Right now, the Bears are rebuilding. You can disagree all you want to but you’d be wrong.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Mahhh… you’re backing up like Lance Briggs.

            First you say this, that and the other one not only half a day into FA.

            Then I call your bluff and all you have to say…we’ll see what’s what when the roster is complete.

            Bohhhh.

          • Trac

            Ok great swami, if Emery was all that, why does the overall talent on this team suck. You win in the trenches and Emery laid an epic egg when it came to that. That is my argument.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Great. Whatever you say.

            What does pace have to do with that ? You have no info to judge him.

            For my money Emery did a great job when it comes to the ‘trenches’. He improved mightily the OL and the DL isn’t all that bad either… you’ll see it this year.

            PS: He fucked the coaching choices and his LBs were disastrous.

          • Trac

            Barb, my prostitus has been inflamed and I don’t feel well at all. Please stop making it worse.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            never let prostitutes run your life.

  • BerwynBomber
    • That would be quite the move for Lovie. Top pick in the draft for a 36 year old QB? Unless you think the rest of your roster is SB-caliber (hint: TB’s isn’t), that’s dumb.

      • BerwynBomber

        Could be one of those rare trades that is stupid for both sides. Betting on Brees’ last few years may prove smarter than betting on Winston’s first four or five.

        • would make a ton of sense for Saints. They’ve screwed themselves over well enough with a series of bad moves that they’re not likely winning anything with Brees anymore anyway. But won’t be bad enough for a top pick with Brees around. So starting over with that (plus 2 other 1st round picks) would be great for them.

          • NewBearInTown

            Depends on how good you think Sean Payton is with Jameis (or Mariota).
            But yeah, Brees to Tampa would be a terrible move. I could see wisdom in Lovie doing an end of career deal with a free agent (like Favre or Montana did), but not trading the #1 pick.

          • BerwynBomber

            IF Winston pans out. That is a big IF. I don’t think he’s quite in that Andrew Luck-can’t-miss category.

          • no, but it’s the best shot they’ll have and would make sense given where their franchise is at.

          • BerwynBomber

            Of course. But you (probably) have a sure thing in Brees for two or three years. You don’t know what you have Winston. Imagine, for a moment, if Luck had been a bust? Indy fans would have been screaming bloody murder while watching Peyton in Denver the last three years.

            Mind, I mostly agree with you that TB would be stupid to make the trade — they are not close to contending anyway — but I could also see it backfiring on NO too.

          • it could backfire, but since they’re not contenders anyway, and Brees is almost done, it would make sense for them IMO.

          • BerwynBomber

            We’ll see. I would not be shocked if they win the NFCSouth next year. Hardly a ringing endorsement but an elite QB always gives you an outside shot if you can make the post-season.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            trading Brees for a rapist makes no sense what so ever…never ever.

          • willbest

            What if you got a bunch of women that need a rapin’ might be good to have somebody with some experience

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            somebody has to fill that Sharper void.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Some rapin’ doesn’t harm your Lombardi chances any !

          • Trac

            But didn’t Pace come from the Saints? Ruh roh. lol

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s genius to get a pick like that for a QB on the dung heap … thing is they’ll probably waste it on Winston. If I was them I’d swap it for a low first rounder and a second.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Par for the course for Lovie then ….

    • willbest

      I don’t even know how this would be possible. Brees has a 26.4 mil cap hit this year but he has 33.5 mil in dead money. It would cost them an additional 7 million to trade him. So unless they are cutting/trading their entire roster, I don’t know how they get under the cap.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Interesting that over the last three years I think, a certain Drew Brees is just behind Eli Manning and Cutler for interceptions thrown.

  • FourFeathers

    Eddie Royal is officially the new slot receiver. Antrel Rolle the strong safety, Two reasonable mid tier veterans to support the rebuilding program.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      What a fuck ?

      Everything is a proof of re-building for you. Signing -maybe- a 32 years S is proof or re-building. Well…shit.

      I wonder what particular move would make you say ‘hey…this is not re-building’.

      You have your theory and you’re sticking to it no matter what.

    • not official yet on Royal. One report said it is. Another said it’s not. Nobody else jumped in to confirm, which means it’s not.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Revis will be studied in sports economics classes for years to come. He is the most brilliant businessman/player in the history of the league.”
    Gotta give credit where credit is due. Revis has played his cards beautifully. He’s gotten paid, is GETTING paid and nabbed a Super Bowl ring along the way.

    • only works if you’re REALLY good though. Plus what happens if he suffers a career-ending injury 2 years ago? Would have cost himself tens of millions of dollars vs. a long-term deal.

      High risk, high reward strategy. Paid off big time for him.

      • NewBearInTown

        That’s why they’ll be studying him. The high risk, high reward strategy worked had a few setbacks, required some really hard negotiating, but he made it happen.
        Then they’ll look at all the players who’s names you can’t remember because they weren’t able to recover from the ACL injury the way Revis did.

        • imagine a guy like Andrew Luck doing that next year. Holy cow.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Imagine is right because, offhand, I can’t think of a true, franchise QB (a category in which I include Mr. Luck) who ever was allowed to hit the open market.

          • NewBearInTown

            Andrew Luck is the rare player that it would make sense to franchise three years in a row.

          • willbest

            Or he just doesn’t sign it and sits out a year and signs an $80 million guaranteed contract with anybody but you.

            Just because it makes economic sense to tag the guy 3 years, doesn’t mean he is going to respond according. After all the guy get paid 25 million even after taxes, agency fees, life coaches, union dues, etc. He still has plenty of money to take a year off. Plus he is a QB, not an RB. He doesn’t turn invisible on his 30th birthday.

          • willbest

            Peyton Manning did, and you can argue he had risk coming off the injury (though his contract could be nullified due to that injury) but they guy has produced for Denver the last 3 years (soon to be 4).

          • willbest

            He is on the new rookie contracts, Indy can exercise the 5th year option which he has already agreed to

    • Cormonster

      Deion Sanders did a pretty good job of selling himself to the 49er’s and Cowboys, but I think he took less to play for the boys because he wanted another ring.

    • Scharfinator

      I am somewhat confused why Revis is getting all this credit. We should look at his agent.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Da’Norris Searcy didn’t get paid like a top of the line of the safety.

    He got 4 years/24M/10 M guaranteed. Top S get 5 years/ 40+ M/ 20+ M guaranteed.

    Searcy got half that. That means good and young S money. Which he is.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I really appreciate what Revis is doing. He plays the system beautifully and I love that.

    His contract is a monster contract. It’s a 2 years/39 M or a 3 years/50 M.

    By the time he enters his 4th year he can decide if he comes back for ‘only’ 11 M a year or retire.

    PS: Why wouldn’t Revis rent himself when that’s what the Patriots did…rented Wilfork, Browner and Revis for a 1 year- Superbowl or bust season.

    • I didn’t think the Pats would sign both McCourty AND Revis.
      Revis got his ring, now he’s back to being a merc sold to the highest bidder.
      Although he did go back to the team he considers home.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I thought they would, but my envisioned price was 13-14 M.

        The Jets signed him to a 3 year/50 M/ 39 M guaranteed contract.

        That’s 17 M/year.

        I have no problem with Revis ‘using’ the Patriots to get his ring and then leave for the cash…it’s what the Patriots did with him. And Browner. And Willfork.

        Why should the individual be all emotive, while the club all business like. Especially in such a dangerous sport. Good for Revis.

  • BillW

    As I said yesterday I’m glad the Bears were relatively quiet yesterday. Actually they were officially silent with no signings yet. . No “drunken sailor” spending. We’ve gotten used to big headlines from FA, trades, extensions the past several years looking for the magic vullet. I sense many on this blog still believe in that idea.

    The Bears ARE rebuilding Barb. But if you don’t like that tern, how about “remodeling”?

    It’s all intangible so far but I’m impressed with Pace.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      every team in the NFL is remodeling.

      maybe I have problems understanding concepts, but there’s a staggering difference between remodeling and re-building.

      You’re crazy if you say you moved into a new house by repainting your previous one.

      You can lie to yourself, but nobody’s buying that shit.

      • BillW

        I give up. You are of course technically correct. And as one who tries to use words correctly I won’t argue.

        Rebuilding technically would imply tearing down and starting over.

        But painting is NOT remodeling. It’s decorating. .

        Anyway these are words that are imperfect in describing what’s going on. Let’s just agree that Pace is taking a somewhat different approach to get the Bears back in contention.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Based on what ? It’s been 16 hours since the FA period started.

          You’re drawing conclusions comparing 16 hours of a dysfunctional Free Agency session with 3 hole FA periods.

          It’s like you’re asking me to ignore the signing of Pernell McPhee.

          I could also point that in the 2012 FA Emery’s only big move was trading for Marshall. For a very similar contract to what McPhee will get.

          So, up until now, you can say that:

          in 2012: Emery traded for Brandon Marshall
          in 2014: Pace traded away Brandon Marshall and signed Pernell McPhee.

          It’s, more or less, the same thing, but I know it’s useless to point it out, as you’re already made up your mind by first coming to the conclusion and them piecing the parts together so they fit.

          • BillW

            I have a sense that is often correct but also wrong at times. Don’t blow my high. This feels very different than the past years.

            For one who wants to be so technical with words, I’m surprised you said they SIGNED McPhee. Unless I missed it, they haven’t announced the actual signing yet.

          • BillW

            And to clarify – I keep saying “relatively” quiet. Are you saying they weren’t? Even if they had signed McPhee yesterday, not exactly a headline grabbing move, that constitutes relatively quiet.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Ok…so what huge move did Emery last year in day 1 of FA, for example ?

            what about 2 years ago ?

          • BillW

            Again, technically you got me. You’re the “North King” of that. What I mean (non-technically) is that in past few years the Bears made headlines around this time of year by additions in free agency OR trades OR contract extensions. Not necessarily all three and not necessarily on day 1. There seems there will be none of that this year. (BMarsh was a headline via subtracting, not adding.)

            (When it comes to arguing, you’re a lot like my wife. Always right and always missing the real point.)

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            1. there aren’t any extensions to be talked about
            2. making trades is a sign of a great GM. I hope makes them, I bank on it. The ILB hole.
            3. don’t compare me to your wife… I bet she’s lovely, but she’s a woman and I assume you fuck her. Don’t put me into that bucket.

            PS: This “technically you got me, but’ is pretty funny stuff.
            Don’t get off on my brain… if you write something technically wrong… you should thank the one that points out the error.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            yeah…nobody signed anybody.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Okay… the painting example was a little on the extreme part.

          Lets try this:

          Tell everybody you’re got a new woman, while hooking up with an ex-girlfriend.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think Belicheat paints his team. Over years of solid-ish drafting/FA work, he’s never in re-build mode, but every summer he’s just painting the house he built.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            When he feels everything is dandy he goes and rents some sweet furniture and a snooker table… like he did this year with Revis-Browner and as he did with Randy Moss.

          • Scott W.

            You do realize you just activated the “primed for the playoffs” cliche, and it’s only March….tsk tsk.

    • Yes, but in Emery’s defense, he (and we) thought we had a chance at the SB (laughable now, but not the past two preseasons).
      Also, Emery HAD to dip into FA to clean up Angelo’s clusterfuck.
      If Angelo had actually drafted a LT who worked, then Emery wouldn’t have paid for Bushrod.
      If Angelo/Martz hadn’t booted Olsen, we would never have signed Bennett. etc etc

  • BillW

    Slauson coming out and saying Jay can be as good as Rodgers, besides sounding stupid, indicates I am wrong about the possibility that Jay will be cut today.

    John Fox is in for a rough first year with the media. I assume he’s up for it.

    • BearDown100393

      Long girlishly tweeting that Jake was the “true King of the North” was even dumber. And wrong.

      • willbest

        Long can be excused he is a 24 year old grizzly bear

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          26

          • willbest

            Oh right he took a year or two to find himself, I forgot about that.

      • BillW

        Talk about “girlish” – read his interview with Kristin…

        (I posted this in the prior thread – trying to see what the deal was with him and Jay.)

        Caution – it’s pretty sickening.

        http://michiganavemag.com/personalities/articles/how-has-kristin-cavallari-changed-since-marriage-to-jay-culter

        • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

          KL: I know you’ve lived in Southern California, but what do you appreciate about living in Chicago? What are some of your favorite places?
          KC: I love Chicago because my mom is here, along with that whole side of my family. It’s a great city. The people are so friendly. There’s always lots to do, and the lake is absolutely beautiful. We like going to Rustic House for date night, Girl & the Goat, and Summer House, which is pretty new—it reminds me of Santa Monica. And because I’m such a health nut, Karyn’s Fresh Corner is great for smoothies and quick stuff, and Mercadito has great tacos, so we go there a lot. I like to shop in the Gold Coast; I call it the Beverly Hills of Chicago.

          Barf.

          • BearDown100393

            Kyle Long is plain weird.

          • BillW

            OK – it’s quite possible he is gay. I have no issue with that at all. He’s a great football player. I’m not picking on him. But the Jay/Kyle/Kristin angle does shed a bit different light on him personally.

          • BearDown100393

            Doesn’t matter to me at all. IMO he is just weird. Still a great football player.

          • BillW

            I agree he’s weird. Just didn’t want to equate weird and gay. To me gay is not weird anymore than being left handed is weird. I realize there are many who will disagree with me. About being gay and being left handed.

          • BearDown100393

            I agree.

          • BillW

            Read the part on how Jay met her. It’s almost creepy. He contacted her publicist and asked if he could fly her out to Chicago for a date. She had no idea who he was.

            A little full of yourself Jay? you see a hot girl on TV and figure she’ll want you? Just because it worked out doesn’t change the fact that’s it’s sounds sort of like stalking.

          • willbest

            That is how Michael Douglas did with Catherine Zeta-Jones.

          • BillW

            “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me.”

            F. Scott Fitzgerald

          • BearDown100393

            That is how things are arranged amongst vaccine truthers.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            I don’t think Jay is one of those, I think since his lady was into it he was all like, “Dooooooon’t Caaaaaare” and just goes with it. Like all of us have at one time or another, “sure babe I care about saving the whales.”

          • BearDown100393

            He doesn’t care about not protecting his kids from communicable diseases? Whatever the scenario, it is an odd stance against modern scientifically proven medicine for a diabetic.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            I’m sure she showed him something to where he got comfortable with it. Those shots aren’t filled with rainbows and sunshine you know and despite what you may believe they aren’t 100% effective. I vaccinate, but that’s because I’m comfortable with risk v. reward and they may not be, give it a rest.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hey Kristin, do you like jewellery? Suck on my @$%3 it’s a gem.

          • It’s just like Santa Monica…except for the hot trim prancing about half clad in bikins…oh, and the beach and the 80 degree whether…and the night clubs…other than that – just like Santa Monica.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Plain cutting Cutler would be a sackable offense in my circle of trust with Mr. Pace. I won’t harp on about BM – he’s gone, that’s that – but cutting a Qb who will be worth something during next season would be madness. I’m sure Pace is just trying to find a fair deal, I didn’t expect utty to b dealt on day one. He will be gone, it’s just a matter of when.

      • Scott W.

        …yup. Cutler is da man for da forseeable. Let the pining cease for all time (2 seasons is hereby defined as all time).

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    How about the Bears trade for Jairus Byrd !? The Saints are shopping everybody and he only has another 6 M in guaranteed money coming his way.

    I don’t know if it would be doable, but if it is I’d be excited with the move.

    • willbest

      I didn’t expect the Saints to look at their situation and decide to blow it up.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        they’re a 7-9 team with 30 M over the cap.

        They’re the worst build team in the NFL. We choose to ignore Pace was part of it, because we want to be positive, but their situation is awful as hell.

        • that was my biggest fear about Pace when he signed with Chicago. NO has not drafted particularly well in the decade he was there, and made a series of atrocious financial moves that got them to this point.

          • Scharfinator

            We can only hope he watched his bosses continue to screw up helplessly…

          • I like his approach so far, for the most part. Seems to bow out of bidding wars.

          • willbest

            Well when you aren’t realistically winning next year, you don’t mortgage your future to win a couple extra games.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            “How to build a 6-10 team in 3 easy steps”

          • Scott W.

            Ah yes. Memories of the Philly Dream Team…

          • you’d think, but you’d be shocked how many GMs fail to grasp that basic fact. Here’s looking at you, TB. And MIA. And OAK. And NYJ. And…

          • Yes, but some teams/GMs aren’t sober like that (look at the Jets).
            It’s a good sign that Pace/Fox accurately recognize what team we have, and how to proceed from there.

          • SC Dave

            Do we still have Cliff Stein?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Don’t mention it. A ‘Pace hater’ label will shortly follow.

          • Irish Sweetness

            My biggest worry is his age. I want a guy with lines on his face. Somebody who’s seen it all, every type of player, knows the ins and outs of the business. Pace just doesn’t fit the bill. I don’t see the advantages to being a young GM. We’ll see.

    • the cap hits on the rest of that deal are insane though. I guess I don’t know off the top of my head how much dead $$ would come off that and stay with the Saints.

      • just looked it up (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/jairus-byrd/). From what I can tell, $3.4M would come off his cap hits each of the next 4 years, making them the following:
        2015: $2.1M
        2016: $7.5M
        2017: $8.3M
        2018: $8.8M

        That’s actually not too bad. Wonder what you’d have to give up to get him though.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          who cares ? A 3nd rounder. Even a 2nd.

          • $$ matters a lot. And I dunno that I’d go above a 4th when he’s 28 and expensive.

            Regardless, highly doubt NO moves him, at least not yet. No financial incentive to this year. Would actually hurt their cap.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            probably you’re right on NO position.

            Look…I don’t care about draft picks or money because the main objective is to give Fangio the right players.

            Give him Byrd, McPhee , an ILB with Vic Basley coming from the draft… and we’re in business big time. I can do without a 3rd or even a 2nd rounder.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          I would imagine at least our 2nd rounder, they have to take a $9M cap hit to let him go. Man their cap is screwed up!

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd
    • That sounds like classic rumor mongering to me. Trying to get the leverage for teams to trade up to 5 instead of 6.

      I guess you never know, but IMO they give RG3 one more year to try and get it sorted.

      • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

        It’s just gamesmanship by Snyder to let the Eagles twist in the wind a bit.

        He should concentrate on renaming his team and not trying to run his team.

        • BearDown100393

          Does Gruden still coach that team?

    • willbest

      Didn’t Speilmen convince the Browns to give him 3 draft picks in order to draft a player he had no intention of drafting anyway.

      • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

        in order to SKIP a player. yes.

        • willbest

          So there is merit to the strategy then.

  • Who was on here defending Ryan Fitzpatrick yesterday? Sounds like he’s gonna get traded to NYJ and be their starter, so he’ll get another shot.

    • Irish loves him some clipboard Jesus.
      I’ll pass. I’d rather roll with Clausen

      • Irish Sweetness

        The Jets offense is scary now if Fitzy starts. Good receivers, good line, good QB. Revis/Cromatrtie on D ? They got him for a late round pick. Bummer. Coulda been a Bear, but he knows he’ll win the battle in NJ..

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

    Here’s the sign outside Irish’s house:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_bAsT-U8AAxByt.jpg:large

  • John Doe

    I think Pace got a more versatile player in McPhee on a better deal.

    Ian RapoportVerified account‏@RapSheet
    Thought Jared Odrick was getting $7M per year from #Jaguars. It’s actually $8.5M per year with $22M guaranteed.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Raiders are getting Curtis Lofton and Dan Williams. Looks like they’re out officially on Pot Roast, I think his price is going to have to come down, he’s wanting $8M per. Ain’t gonna happen fat boy.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      it’s all about the guaranteed money. He’d be great for something like 6 M per with half guaranteed.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        To an extent tho the AAV influences the guaranteed $.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          4 years/24 M/12 M guaranteed would be a coup for Knighton.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            especially if all the guarantees are in the first 2 years and all $12M isn’t fully guaranteed. Maybe in the form of a guarantee date on year 2’s base salary.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Something. All I know is I want a dominant DL.

            McPhee…….Knighton…Ratliff…Houston
            Vic Beasley….Ferguson….Sutton….Young
            Allen.

            You need a DL that can help you stop the run with the front 6 and be creative with your 5 DBs.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            I like Dante Fowler better than Beasley, but that’s just me. To your bigger point tho, a thousand times yes. D-Line play will dictate our D ranking especially with a weak secondary.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I don’t know them. last week I thought Vic beasley was that ‘skinny’ tall pass rusher. Only after that I saw he was the one all build up.

            Whomever it is. A pass rushing difference maker. Whomever Fangio wants.

          • I prefer Fowler too.
            Beasly has like T-rex arms.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Would it be a coup for us? Haven’t seen much of him but I like the way that fat bastard moves.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            They gave Rolle -a 32 years old S- half of that.

            I think paying twice as much for a premier DT that can play all downs is a plus.

            The Bears need to be able to stop the run with the front 6, so the DL has to play the run at superior level seeing the lack of ILB quality.

            So bring me a McPhee-Ratliff-Knighton-Houston DL.

    • John Doe

      Dan Snyder just entered the picture. He might pay him some crazy amount.

      I think it would be best for Bears to stay away from him. Even $6 million is too much for a run stuffing DT. Plenty of big run stuffing DTs in draft. Young and cheap.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Main thing that scares me about him is that he sucked for 4 years in JAX and then just turned it on in DEN for the last 2. Would he regress back to his JAX days after he gets some cash in his pocket?

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Bloom is coming off of the Aaron Leming rose. He had reported that Eddie Royal had officially signed his deal last night, but no one else has confirmed and it’s not on the NFL’s transaction wire.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Somebody scared me with the Rolle signing too. I’m sure they’ll be pursuing Rahim. He’s young.

  • BillW

    BMarsh today:
    “Being able to be in New York with Coach (Todd) Bowles, I thought, was an amazing opportunity and one that I thought I couldn’t pass up.”

    (He had a choice? Did he have a no-trade clause? Or is he full of shit?)

    • BearDown100393

      Welcome to Brandon’s Head.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Of course he had a choice. You try and trade for a player that doesn’t want to go to a certain team. Especially one with Brandon Marshall’s history.

      He needs constant attention when he’s all in, yet alone when he’s unhappy.

      Look at McCoy to the Bills. He got extra cash to make him accept the trade.

      • BillW

        So you believe they asked Brandon what teams he’d be willing to play for? Certainly possible given he seemed certain they were going to move on from him.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          No. They make it known he’s on the market, the X team contacts his agent, he gives his acceptance or refusal and then the 2 clubs negotiate on the parameters.

          Try and move Marshall to Minnesota and see what happens.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ll bet half the league were on the phone to Pace, trying to get a stud receiver for peanuts. Word got out there was a fire-sale for studly receivers in stupidville. He works in NY, so he wants to play there.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Yeas…but what if the Titans called. Do you see him accepting ?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Anyone else leery of Jimmy Graham? Getting dinged seem to take a lot out of him. The last part of his 2014 season was pretty quiet (Schefyer called it “forgettable this morning but I would go THAT far), even though the Saints were (laughably) still in the hunt for a playoff spot.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      A little, but SEA definitely got better via this trade.

      • John Doe

        Seattle GM thinks he basically gave up a second rounder because he could find only 16 players with first round grade in this year’s draft.

        So if Pace moves down from #7, hope he gets a lot, a lot in return.


        “But because he has only 16 first-round grades on this year’s class and the Seahawks pick 31st, he thought Graham plus a four for center Max Unger and what was to Schneider essentially a “two” was fair.”

        http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/11/jameis-winston-roger-goodell-nfl-trades-free-agency-retirement/2/

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I bet he thought there were 150 first rounders when he drafted Richard Sherman.

          Stop the stupid. It’s no surprise such a lame PT job comes from mmqb.si.

    • willbest

      I don’t know how much better the seahawks got. Sure their passing game gets a boost, but their rushing attack takes a step back. Plus, unlike Gronk, people have figured Graham out.

  • John Doe

    So last year Bears got Ryan Mundy and Danny McCray. This year looks like Antrel Rolle and Ron Parker. meh.


    ✶ Sports Mockery ✶ @sportsmockery · 10m10 minutes ago
    Chicago Bears will host S Ron Parker, he is scheduled to fly in later on tonight.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Rolle and Parker both play SS. If we are signing a vet stopgap, we could do worse than Dwight Lowery or Kendrick Lewis or even proud USF alum Nate Allen, go Bulls.

      • John Doe

        Fangio defense does not distinguish between SS and FS the traditional way.

        Everything interchangeable.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          My point is that there are seemingly better options available.

      • Parker has played some CB in the past though. Better in coverage than Rolle or Mundy, IMO.

    • Big Mike

      hoping to trade back and nab Landon Collins?

  • John Doe

    Even random journeyman QBs have trade value. Hope Adam Gase and Dowell Loggains make something out of David Fales in the next year or two.

    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 5m5 minutes ago
    RT @STLouisRams: #Rams reacquire Case Keenum from the @HoustonTexans for a seventh round pick.

    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 26m26 minutes ago
    Report: #Texans Trade QB Ryan Fitzpatrick To #Jets For Late-Round Pick http://bit.ly/1Ebv5V0

    • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

      Fitzy gets no love. He’s solid peoplez, why the haterz hatin on the guy I do not know.

      • willbest

        That is because he is a solid fantasy QB, and a bad real one.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He is not bad. On what basis is he bad? 95 QBR on a shitty offense? Good TD-INT ration career wise. Played on shitty teams. Threw 6 TD passes in one game last year. How many bad QBs can throw six TD passes in a single game on a bad offense?

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            again i want to know how that was a shitty offense?

  • John Doe

    ALERT: Fox and Pace presser at 2pm to introduce Pernell McPhee.


    Mitch Rosen @MitchRosen670 · 5m5 minutes ago
    @670TheScore listen live to the Score for the Press Conference at 2pm.

  • Sactowns#1

    Watching the Niners implode from Nor Cal is just fascinating.

    Harbaugh is one of those rare talents that is able to rally his troops for a short time, until someone realizes he is utterly insane. (maybe someone finally dared to look him in his eyes, his crazed, walleyed stare belying his innate insanity)
    And then the troops start talking and they realize they need to frag this guy and do it fast before captain insano has them all wearing the same ill-fitting pants every day and charging against ownerships machinegun nest. The guy leaves nothing but scorched earth and exhaustion behind him.

    • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

      He better change those tactics at UMich if he wants to be the new Bo and compete against the Nick Sabans out there.

      • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

        Also, Jed York is a dork. A York Dork.

        • BearDown100393

          Keeps an odd looking badger for a pet also. Really sick looking.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Badger?
            BADGER!?
            We ain’t god no Badgers!
            I AIN GOD TO CHO YOU NO STEEKIN’ BADGERS!” -Alpohonso Bedoya

    • BerwynBomber

      Harbaugh reminds me of Thibeadou or vice-versa. Superb coaches who are nearly insane and wear out their welcome after five years.

  • John Doe

    Must be the Browns. They tried to trade for Bradford a couple of weeks ago and tried to trade for Foles yesterday. Browns clearly looking for a starting QB. Given Manziel could not even repeat plays relayed to him in the huddle and McCown is nothing more than glorified back up, it is understandable. Here is the QB situation:

    Jets: Fitzpatrick, Geno Smith, might get Mariota at #6; Most likely set at QB position

    Rams: Foles, Pettis, Case Keenum; set at QB position

    Texans: Hoyer, Mallet, Savage; set at QB position

    Titans: Mettenberger, Whitehurst; Definitely looking for QB and Mariota is not Wisenhunt type QB. They will feign interest in him but no one will buy it.

    Browns: McCown, Manziel


    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 3m3 minutes ago
    RT @EaglesInsider: Kelly said #Eagles were offered a first-round pick this morning for Bradford

    • willbest

      The Texans have 2 backups. They are not set. And as I have said before the Texans are 1 above average QB away from a playoff run.

      • John Doe

        Tom Savage is their future starter. The two backups are their bridge QBs until he is ready.

        • willbest

          Yeah nobody holds their breath on 4th round developmental projects.

    • willbest

      Just to expand on this. A talented, but brittle QB, with 1 year 13 million dollars is not worth a top 15 pick. So Texans (16) or Browns (19 via Bills). Outside the box… I am thinking Cincy.

      • BerwynBomber

        Can’t see Cincy. If you’re upgrading from Dalton it would be an obvious upgrade. Bradford’s not it.
        When was the Fitzgerald signing completed? Maybe Jets called Philly before dialing Fitzgerald’s agent.

        • willbest

          I have to imagine that Dalton with his playoff yips is about as loved there as Cutler is in Chicago. So I imagine a large Dump Dalton movement there. But then the only unfortunate souls I know from Ohio are Browns fans, so I have no factual support for that theory.

          • No, if you see Bengal’s posts, they’re pretty fed up with the Red Pea-Rifle.
            But much like us, they don’t want to go back to the QB wilderness either (where Boomer was their McMahon)

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

    Somebody should start a “notSonnyWeaverJr” twitter feed….

    https://twitter.com/sonnyweaverjr

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    There’s your endorsement:

    Chicago Bears ‏@ChicagoBears 3m3 minutes ago
    #Bears GM Ryan Pace: “We’re moving forward with Jay Cutler as our starting quarterback.”

    • willbest

      Fox “Wanted to get comfortable before making a decision”

      Pace called Marshall a “disruptive player”

      • BearDown100393

        This I fully believe.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          nope he must be lying about that too.

          • BearDown100393

            Good to know that we are in agreement that Pace lies.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            lol, i really need a sarcasm button.

    • BearDown100393

      backward

  • willbest

    Fox didn’t commit to Cutler.

    “Create competition at all positions”

    “Too early to talk about final depth chart”

    On Cutler “Intelligent, willing to work, capable of improving”

    • John Doe

      Yeah..starting job is not given to Cutler and looks he will be benched quickly if does not improve..

      Peggy Kusinski @peggykusinski · 15m15 minutes ago
      #Bears HC John Fox on Jay Cutler “In this league if you’re not improving you’re getting worse …” believes… http://fb.me/2UlEW0LKu

  • willbest

    Pace on Safety market

    “It’s good and we are exploring it right now”

    On Tillman

    “We talked to both those players (Briggs) but we like to keep those comments in house”

    On conversion to 3-4

    “Currently players here in place that can play in 3-4”

    “We are in sub for 60% of time, so plenty of 4-man front opportunities”

    On Lamarr Houston

    “Doing well on rehab, working hard, comfortable without it is progressing.”

    On Cutler

    “Evaluated Jay all the way back to when he came into the league, not just last year”

  • Big Mike

    Chicago media wouldn’t get off Pace about Cutler. How many ways did he have to answer the question?

    • willbest

      Trying to get them to trip up on answer.

      • Big Mike

        Hate it. Bush league. It’s not watergate, or iran-contra, or wikileaks, These guys are sports reporters that all have a woodward and bernstein complex.

        • BearDown100393

          I don’t think many aspire to Dan Bernstein…..

        • Scott W.

          Yuuuuuuuuuuuppppppp!

    • BearDown100393

      Just getting his lie thoroughly on record for future purpose.

      • Big Mike

        Why do we have to assume he’s lying? Why such an antagonistic approach to journalism?

        • BearDown100393

          Because he is lying. Believe what you want. As will I.

          • Big Mike

            You know this how?

          • John Doe

            Are you this naive?

          • BearDown100393

            Apparently.

          • Big Mike

            You think? It’s not naive. If the topic wasn’t Cutler, we’d believe what Fox and Pace were saying. Even if he’s holding something back, he answered the question 5 times and the press kept asking the same thing. Do your work, ask better questions.

          • BearDown100393

            If you already do not care if Pace is lying, it does not matter what questions are asked.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly. They’re trying to make Fox/Pace break and scream “YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT I ORDERED A CODE RED !”

          • Big Mike

            Irish, sometimes we don’t agree on X’s and O’s and the who ranks where in Bears Football, but we’ve always seen eye to eye on character, behavior and that we really like the Chicago Bears and always hope for the best. I appreciate that. Fox/Pace seem to be good men. The Chicago Sports media is a collective bag of rats, when they get into these press conferences. Maybe it’s their job, but the cynicism and snarky writings of Haugh, Rosenbloom, Bernstein, feeds the air with negativity surrounding the Bears. Championships are great, but the pursuit of championships is what sports is for it’s participants. The media forgets that, or never knew it.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            are you that cynical?

          • Big Mike

            It was stated as if it were a fact. I also say so what if he did lie. There’s not a conspiracy behind every press conference. Could be they didn’t “shop him”, but they listened to offers. Is that a lie? I don’t know. But the vulture mentality of the Sports Media in Chicago is insane.

          • BearDown100393

            Of course it does not matter to you if Pace lied or not.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t know how you can say “of course it doesn’t matter to be” based on what? Have we met? I don’t think a GM using a bit of misdirection on the media is a crime. If Rappoport was lying, that would be a big deal.

    • John Doe

      This is just getting started. Fox and Pace better be ready for it after every game, every practice.

      “Why not bench him?” will be the question after every Cutler INT or fumble.

      Just look how brazen this question was…

      Peggy Kusinski @peggykusinski · 5m5 minutes ago
      #Bears Brass asked why Cutler still here when “a lot of people have been fired”? HC Fox: “It’s not just all on… http://fb.me/7d24B8QLN

  • As long as this place has turned into Reddit (aka just dropping tweets in here all over the place), I found this interesting:

    Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 18m 18 minutes ago

    On Jay Cutler: I spoke with as many QB-needy teams as I could to see if #Bears GM Ryan Pace tried to trade Cutler. None said he did.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      well he must be lying too.

      • BearDown100393

        Most likely. The NFL is built upon lies.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Now you sound like Barb.

          • BearDown100393

            Perhaps but true.

      • it’s possible some people weren’t honest with him. But he’s well connected and has no reason I know of to lie.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          i know – i was trying to be ironic especially with all the distrust some of the posters have on here lately. A lot of people appear to be a little butt hurt that Cutler is staying.

          • BearDown100393

            I fully admit to that last sentence. It is disappointing because pragmatism and finances won out. Jake Cutler is pure cancer and this team is doomed another season. Two more tombstones can now be planted in Jake’s graveyard of GMs and Head Coaches.

          • willbest

            Pace doesn’t believe that because he got rid of a disruptive player. You may doubt words, but his actions are clear.

          • BearDown100393

            Do you think Pace lied about Marshall?

          • willbest

            About him being disruptive? No. About the trade being fair? I don’t know. I don’t have a decade of NFL front office experience

          • Big Mike

            Nope. He said he was a good football player and was a distraction. He said this move was best for the Bears and Brandon. Hard to lie, when you simply are giving your opinion.

          • BerwynBomber

            Cuts both ways. More than a few people were butt hurt over someone posting that he might be leaving, which was even sillier.

          • BearDown100393

            Those were exciting times full of promise and sunshine.

          • BerwynBomber

            I look at it this way: Cutler provides unintentional comedy. We at least have another year of it.

            The ultimate Cutty Chicago moment was that Sunday night blowout loss to Philly when, on the very next play after breaking Luckman’s all-time Bears passing yards record, he threw a pick six. Pretty much captured Jay in two plays: meaningless stats and soul-crushing INTs.

          • Big Mike

            My read on it, was not so much aggravation that he’d be leaving, but aggravation that the Bears would get so little for him and then be caught scrambling to replace him, with an even worse solution. I don’t think anybody here was clamoring for Jay to be the QB.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            except Waffle.

          • Big Mike

            I didn’t keep score. Really? That’s funny.

    • BillW

      Apparently that implies they never asked what the Bears would want in a trade either.

  • John Doe

    That was hardly an endorsement of Cutler. It was more like “he is here. we cannot do much about him. we will see where this goes”.

    Not the effusive praise of Phil Emery or Trestman or Martz.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      please tell me, what is your need for the front office and coaching staff to endorse any player?

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Can’t see that anything less than being able to walk on water would suffice at this rate to impress some people

        • BearDown100393

          I would have settled for Cutler leaving town for good.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yes, the standards for Cutler are so high here …

    • FourFeathers

      Yep. Cutler is here for one more year. Barring the unforeseen it will be his last in Chicago. Pace and Fox are not going to coddle his ass so it will be a very cut and dry player-coach relationship in 2015. Shut up and perform…and we expect you to suck it up even if the losses pile up in a rebuilding year.

      • willbest

        I wouldn’t count on that. Who is your 2016 QB? The market is barren.

        • FourFeathers

          It won’t be Cutler barring the unforeseen. And Pace is very likely to draft a QB in round 2 or 3 and get him into the developmental pipeline.

          • willbest

            Whether you believe they tried to trade him or not, it is clear they didn’t try particularly hard. If Cutler puts on a competent season. They aren’t going to move away from him if Fales or whoever they pick up this year isn’t ready.

          • FourFeathers

            Disagree. I think they badly wanted to move Cutler but his contract and dubious attitude and performance made that unachievable. Bears are not in a win-now mode and I think many of you underestimate the rebuilding task at hand. Cutler doesn’t fit that either and they will want a QB of the future for very many reasons.

          • BillW

            We are stuck with him. At least Kyle and Kristin can go shopping together in the Gold Coast.

          • Can’t really tell if they tried “hard” or not. It’s lying and misdirection season.
            Also, most GMs are very tight lipped about discussions like that. They have an unspoken rule about “leaks” and when leaks come from bad organizations, they’re cut off from the pipeline.
            One of the reasons Angelo probably got fired (that Raven’s draft fiasco). I don’t think the Ravens have interacted with the Bears since.

  • John Doe

    Rotoworld.. Cheeky buggers…”Although Cutler’s raw talent has always made him intriguing, we can’t say we expect this to end well.”


    Jay Cutler – QB – Bears

    Bears GM Ryan Pace announced Wednesday that the team is “moving forward with Jay Cutler” at quarterback.

    “We’ve made that decision,” said rookie GM Pace. “We’re moving forward with Jay Cutler as our starting quarterback.” The Bears didn’t really have an alternative. Cutler’s contract essentially ties him to the club for the next two seasons, and the free agent QB market was barren. At No. 7 overall, the Bears aren’t believed to be positioned to draft Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota. Reports out of Chicago suggest the Bears plan to scale back Cutler’s responsibilities in the offense, limiting his ability to audible amongst other things. Although Cutler’s raw talent has always made him intriguing, we can’t say we expect this to end well.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Therefore…..Radically accept this fact that he’s staying and spend your time and energy to the blog with talking about other aspect of this team. This is your 2,000th time or more reiterating or re-tweeting your stance about Cutler. Congratulations. Move on

      • Scharfinator

        Did you know Cutler is better than Rodgers, Brady, and Manning combined? WHY CAN’T EVERYONE SEE THAT? DONT WORRY ABOUT HOW HE PLAYS, JUST THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH HIS TEAMMATES SAY HE CAN DO IT!

        • BearDown100393

          Indeed. Cutler is the true King of the North as proclaimed by Kyle Long.

          • John Doe

            I bet Green Bay is as happy as Kyle Long…

            Kevin Seifert @SeifertESPN · 46m46 minutes ago
            Champagne in Green Bay RT@ESPNChiBears: Ryan Pace confirms #Bears are moving forward with Jay Cutler as the team’s starting QB.

            Kevin Seifert @SeifertESPN · 43m43 minutes ago
            Wasn’t just a cheap shot at Cutler, Bears. He’s 1-10 vs. Packers since joining Bears.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          Not sure what you’re getting at…..I don’t give two shits about the direction the Bears take because any options they decide to go is that the team isn’t going to be very good.

          Other than speaking with your wallet and time towards this team, there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do about their feelings of the direction a team takes. This is an extremely respected and classy blog, and for a few individuals to be nonstop spewing the same shit that they think or retweet from others because they think the same things for hundreds and hundreds of posts on ONE player and trying to knock down other bloggers because they do not agree with them is ridiculous. Go back to the ESPN comment boards. No? Then contribute to the blog with the idea that you are adding values and thoughts about the BEARS team, not one player that you act like screwed your mom and then kicked your puppy out of a second story window.

          • Scharfinator

            Haha, chill out man, I’m agreeing with you. Sarcasm not a thing for you? I’m sick of the Cutty talk as well.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            I’m pretty good with the sarcasm stuff with most of the bloggers on here. I haven’t read your posts much nor interacted with you much. I’m cool with ya

          • BearDown100393

            I just read a tweet from that Leming guy. You are close. But it was the other way around. It was the dog that got screwed and his mom kicked out of the 2nd story window.

    • Irish Sweetness

      It wasn’t barren. Fitzy for a late rounder. There’s your starter, Clausen’s your backup, and Fales is the project guy. We only needed one guy and he was there for a bag of crisps. Better than Cutler, half the price.

  • Speaking of Cutler, still waiting to hear why my saying he was a top 20 QB was laughable.

    • willbest

      It wasn’t. You made your point. They will duck you for a couple weeks and come the draft they will be talking about how all these developmental QBs are obviously above such a crappy QB as Cutler.

    • John Doe

      It is laughable and does not even deserve a response.

      • that’s a wonderful way of ducking having to actually prove your claims for once in your life.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          he is probably still doing twitter research on it.

        • John Doe

          A QB so good that no team wants to trade for him in one of the weakest free agent QB market and one of the weakest QB draft class.

          You say contract is reasonbale, in accordance with what market pays for a top 20 QB. So clearly, contract is not what keeping a team from trading for him. and you say he is a top 20 QB so there are no questions about skill. A team should readily give up a first round pick for him.

          the whole NFL world is blind to Cutler’s talents.

          So sad that he is instead a laughing stock in this league.

          • Johnnywad

            This all reminds me of the time(s) you said with utter certainty that he’d be traded. And supposing he couldn’t, then he’d definitely be cut. And that goddamn Matt Forte, don’t even get you started on him.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Yet, you responded

    • EnderWiggin

      You’ll be waiting a long ass time. 90% of the posters here think with their twitter account. No brain waves used for self-thought.

      • BillW

        I sure hope that less than 90% of the posters here have a twitter account.

        • EnderWiggin

          Doesn’t seem that way lately.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            It’s the just the same guy – over and over again.

    • BerwynBomber

      That’s nothing. I had someone claim yesterday that top 10 QBs never fall as low as #7 in the draft. Then when I mentioned Brady, Rodgers, Brees, R-berger, etc., I was called names and received a dose of dissembling.

      • willbest

        You have to forgive the Millennials. If it is more than 3000 tweets ago its ancient history.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          That’s ridiculous, I was just giving you all sourced updates from FA. Otherwise I could just make completely unsubstantiated claims.

          • BerwynBomber

            Your tweets are fine. So are JD’s. This is more about JD’s opinion on Cutler and always has been.

            Hence, JW rehashing some argument with him from yesterday.

    • BillW

      For the record and to cleanse my soul – I wanted Cutler gone but never said he was less than a top 20 QB.

      • it was a specific response to John Doe. He LOL’d at my statement he was a top 20 QB yesterday. I provided a list of 13 QBs I said were clearly better than Cutler and 5-6 who I thought were similar. Told him to prove to me those similar guys were all better and find a few others too in order to make my “top 20” claim laughable.

        • John Doe

          I will continue to laugh at you for your Cutler worship.

          You are a joke and not to be taken seriously.

          • BillW

            John – try the decaf. Calling a guy a top 20 QB is hardly “worship”.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, top 20 is not really a high bar.
            Cutty’s generally anywhere from 12-20 each year.

          • BillW

            In fact I’d say JWood was damning with faint praise – intentionally or not.

          • BerwynBomber

            JWood used to rate him higher. He brought it down a notch over the course of the ’14 season, which was prudent.

          • BillW

            Minor technicality, but Cutler brought himself down.

            I always tell my students that I don’t “give” grades. They give themselves grades and I merely record them.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            That’s what I tell my students too, they don’t care. Damn Community College.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Among active QB’s with at least 1500 attempts he is T13 in QB Rating with Andy Dalton, they will move down a spot once Russell Wilson reaches the 1500 ATT mark.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yes, and on year-to-year basis, you will always see guys with lower career QRs who will move past him for that season. I know Sanchez did it this past year and I’m sure he was not the only one.

            Does Luck already have 500 attempts? What about Tannenhill? I suspect the latter will be near Cutty’s QR.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            They both do. Tannehill is 16th and Luck is 10th.

          • BerwynBomber

            Interesting. Thanks. Tannenhill might be on the rise. He looked pretty decent last year.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Yeah, he only had 19 college starts when he came out. Then they threw him in the fire. Takes a while to learn the position.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Also, if Wilson stays at his current pace, he’ll be 2nd among active QB’s once he reaches the requisite amount of attempts (98.6).

          • Irish Sweetness

            He had a crazy high completion percentage for a while. He looks like he might be good in the years to come.

          • Bear Down in Tampa
          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Yes, I realize QB rating is a flawed stat by the way. I was just using an objective measurement rather than surliness index. By the way Cutty is #1 in the SI.

          • BerwynBomber

            My solution — for the time being — is to rate them (seasonally) on an average between their QR and QBR. Last year, Cutty finished 17th in the former and 21st in the latter. So I considered him 19th. *shrugs*

            I think PFF has its own rating but I don’t subscribe. And last I heard — maybe 2/3 of the way thru last season they had Cutty way low.

          • BerwynBomber

            Foles will also pass Cutty too when he officially qualifies.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Fair enough, but he’s still got about 600 attempts to go and a lot can go wrong.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Oh sure. Back him up with facts.

          • willbest

            It is a higher bar than you think
            1) There are thousands of QBs over the last decade that haven’t even made an NFL roster
            2) There have been a couple hundred that couldn’t even get out of training camp
            3) A hundred or more that have gotten a shot to play in a game and had an opportunity to prove themselves

            So consistently being a top 20 guy, is rather impressive. It speaks to the difficulty of the position that he is a top 20 guy though.

          • BerwynBomber

            Actually it is NOT higher than I think as I know everything you typed and have said, on more than one occasios, that Cutty is one of the twenty best in the world at what he does.
            Btw, here’s a free tip moving forward: do not presume everything I type is meant as a criticism of Jay Cutler. I generally try to be fair about the guy even if I don’t understand the majority of Cutty defenders.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            You still haven’t supported your assertion that Cutler is not a Top 20 QB, until you do so with facts you are a joke and not to be taken seriously.

          • John Doe

            Entire Cutler career is proof. What have you been watching?

          • Waffle

            calling JWood a joke is a fucking joke in itself. That guy, who I disagree with a lot, brings a ton of fucking value. God damnit you suck.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            It’s God Dammit. Capitalize the “D” and use double-m.

          • Waffle

            I rely on trusted sources like TMZ and urban dictionary for my proofing.

            god damnit

            The phrase “God Damnit”, which when expressed in a grammatically correct fashion would read “God Damn It,” is a vulgarity used to express frustration. It’s literal definition is “May the Christian God Damn it to Hell”. In slang, it is a phrase used in a generally non-religious context. For example, if one cannot get an electronic device to work properly, one might exclaim “God Damnit!”, meaning that you are so upset with the device you wish that God would condemn it to eternal damnation.

            It is rarely used literally, and is considered a lesser of vulgarities, though to the extremely religious it is considered highly offensive. In the Christian faith it is considered a violation of one of the ten commandments.

            “I can’t get this VCR to work! God Damnit!”

            by James E. Bradford June 25, 2006

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            I stand corrected by the hive mind that is urban dictionary

          • AlbertInTucson

            Tangent Alert! Tangent Alert!

          • Big Mike

            I thought it was me. This guy just talks shit. He’s a one note musician.

          • ok, sorry about this. Was genuinely curious what the logic was, but apparently bringing this back up was a mistake on my part. No need for name calling on either side.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            wow just wow…. how do you respond to the insanity of that comment?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Consider the source.

          • Big Mike

            I’ll say this, @johnathanwood:disqus , does his homework and has stats to back up his opinion. All he’s done is look at stats and contract data and put a little analysis around it. I believe his opinions are pretty solid.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            well said. i am pretty sure JWood is one of the most respected voices posting here, if not only for the fact he does his research. You don’t have to agree with what he says but if you do disagree you better be able to back it up.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s hard to fuck with a positronic brain that works for Starfleet command.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Ranking him somewhere between 14 and 20 in a 32 team league hardly qualifies as “Worship”.

          • BillW

            How many blog points do you lose for repeating my post?

            (Just kidding. I know, there are a lot of other posts you didn’t see.)

          • AlbertInTucson

            Mea Culpa. This pesky day job keeps me skimming.
            Think of it as “I second that emotion.”

            Our “John Doe” is no Gary Cooper.

        • BerwynBomber

          Fantastic. You won an argument. We get it. What do you want?

      • BearDown100393

        Top 20 apparently replaced the argument of “elite”. But of course nobody suggested here that Cutler was elite.

    • FourFeathers

      Bottom line Cutler has been a big disappointment in Chicago and him now being paid like an elite franchise QB exacerbates things.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Take your blinders off and look around the league…there are a bunch of other QB’s who are getting paid top dollars and aren’t considered “elite”

      • EnderWiggin

        For me, the biggest disappointment from Cutty is the durability. I feel like if he avoids a broken thumb and a ripped knee, he’d have made two SB appearances.

        • BerwynBomber

          LOL …

        • BearDown100393

          Yes and if he’d play for Hampton’s team, the Bears would have gone undefeated and won 5 (count’em) Super Bowls consecutively.

          • EnderWiggin

            Well, maybe, but I think Jay’s shoulder would have separated just like Jimmy Macs in ’86.

          • BillW

            Yes – the way all teams played defense back then, Jay would have had even more injury problems.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No way he shrugs off Ditka spitballing him. Tomczak said Ditka destroyed his confidence.

          • BerwynBomber

            Jay has, at minimum, seven hypothetical SBs in him in which five he was named the game’s MVP. The other two he should have been given the award, but as with Jordan’s lost league MVPs, the voters just wanted to give it to someone new.

    • Johnnywad

      Its because there are no irrefutable, re-tweetable tweets directed expressly at that topic, yet. Sooner or later, somebody we’ve never heard of will tweet it, and it will be regurgitated here as gospel truth as though its a known fact. This, in lieu of an original thought, or even half a second’s pause to consider reality.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I don’t think top 20 was out of line.

      Let’s see the list of 20 QBs that are preferable.

  • BillW

    The last several minutes of this thread is why I wanted Cutler gone. But then if he was gone, there’d be just as much discussion about that.

    I haven’t heard the presser and don’t even know if it was just Pace or Fox too. but I sure hope Fox is ready for a barrage of questions about Jay all week every week. Fair or not – and it’s probably not – that’s how it’s going roll.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      I’m just tired of the individuals who are not shutting up about Jay’s status on the team. The breaking down of news stories and twitter posts from around the league being broken up into dozens and dozens “what-if’s” and “this is how I feel about ‘x'” is what is dragging down this blog. It’s moments like this when I miss Cheesy’s posts, but not that much.

      • BillW

        I miss Cheesy too.

        I really want to shut up about Cutler myself. Going to try real hard. I understand what happened even if I don’t really know how hard they tried to trade him – if at all.

        No matter.

        I’m on record as trusting that Pace is thinking this whole thing through multi-year with if-ten contingencies. he’s not flying seat of the pants but of course he’s not getting everything he wants either (what team does?)

        • burntorangenavyblue

          I’m just happy to know that we have for once a real coach on this team with a general manager who is a whipper-snapper (not too old-school where he is ignoring the league’s trends and pretending how things are).

          We just need to as a group here deal with what we got and see what happens. No need to stress out and get gray hairs over it.

    • BerwynBomber

      It’s also Chicago. It ain’t Carolina, Denver or NO. Fox should not be phased given his SB experience but the media here is a whole different beast from those in his and Pace’s past.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        I’d say that he will handle the scrutiny of the media better because he did have a high profile player (Manning) in Denver, which, naturally would lead to a higher concentration of the national/local media presence being in town (and on the road).

        • BerwynBomber

          Valid point although Manning is also not a divisive figure like Cutty and the Broncos were generally winning.

          That said, I think he’ll be fine but it could still be a bit eye-opening even for someone of his experience.

        • BearDown100393

          John Fox will not be fazed by the local media.

          • AlbertInTucson

            This is not John Fox’s “First Rodeo”.

  • BearDown100393

    10 former Bears coaches/management etc must have given glowing Cutler endorsements to Pace/Fox in order to preserve the story that the Bears were not shopping #6 around the league. Or Pace/Fox found zero credibility toward those opinions if critical about Jake Cutler. Since there was never an effort to actively move Cutler by the Bears initiative, it is great to know that the new management is 100% behind #6 moving forward.

    • John Doe

      Plus, he has a reasonable contract for a top 20 QB..correction contract is actually going to be “very cheap” in a few years.

      So Super Bowl here we come!!

    • burntorangenavyblue

      I can’t believe that the “10 former Bears coaches/management”-type story would even be legit and allowed to be published. That’s hack-journalism.

      GM’s and Head Coaches are hopefully professional enough that they would steer clear of any former players and head coaches because asking them anything about current players would be like asking ex’s if they like each other. Making important business decisions I’m sure that most of them stick within current team/coaches/scouts feedback than the “former” jilted guys.

    • BillW

      I’m willing to go with “consider the source” with those 10 people – who have all been demoted or out of the league now. I also am willing to believe that Cutler will not “kill” Fox or Pace. That is, I believe (hope? pray?) that they have a “line” that they won’t let be crossed.

      We will see.

      • I doubt Cutler gets Pace/Fox fired.
        I’m sure both told the McCaskeys that they would try to unload Cutler if possible; therefore, Cutty is not their guy (unlike with Angelo/Emery who essentially hitched their wagon to the Cutty-mobile and now are watching the NFL from home).

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Depending on how the schedule shakes out, I could see us starting 2-5 or something like that and then going 6-3 down the stretch, carrying momentum into 2016.

    • BearDown100393

      Just wait until next season?

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        What? No, I just meant next year has 8-8 written all over it. Players learning the scheme, a few positions still young, a few positions still shorthanded. It’ll be a competitve 8-8, we’ll lose 6 of those 8 games by 7 points or less. Seattle is going to destroy us though.

        • Big Mike

          8-8 would be fantastic. More important to me next year is the point deficit. I’d like to see PF and PA be close.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Do we really care what record we have in a re-build? Isn’t lower better?

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Not after last year, you need to show progress in the win column.

    • willbest

      I expect the following wins
      Bucs, Skins, Lionsx2, Minny, Oakland, San Fran. And then there are 3-4 opportunities for wins depending on momentum (ie. we could get a Denver in Chicago in December when Peyton is banged up).

      • BerwynBomber

        No Chiefs, no Cards, no Bolts? and come on … not even a victory over GB at Soldier?

        • willbest

          Bolts? depends on how Rivers is doing that day. Chiefs, they are in flux I won’t commit to that win until they get their roster sorted out. Cards with their QB? I don’t know. Ultimately you win a couple not on your list and lose a couple on it.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Whoa, just read Jeff’s tweet from over 3 hrs ago about putting parents on goal posts and skinning them!?! Okaaay

    • willbest

      Wonder how he feels about the Jimmy Kimbel skit where the parents hide the Halloween candy and tell their kids they ate it all.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        That one was pretty funny

    • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

      I think it’s generally bad to film your kid in a moment of emotion about something pure, and use it to amuse your friends and humiliate the kid.

      Imagine you started to cry or throw a fit at age 12 or age 15 about flag football. And your parents filmed it and put it on Facebook for a good laugh.

      What does that teach you? Adults mock you for caring? Your emotional moments will gain you scorn?

      It’s a fucking ugly trend started by the parent who filmed his kid after the dentist, that Youtube sensation and then used the fact the kid was wacked on laughing gas to make him a celebrity. That kid is probably a teenager now. Wonder how he feels about that video.

      It’s shit parenting. Your kids need to see you as somebody in their corner who protects them. Not uses them for laughs.

      • Sactowns#1

        Oh no. This was started long before that. My friend used to film her daughter throwing fits. She would make her watch it later and say “see how out of control you were” After a few times as soon as the kid started to throw a fit my friend would just say “do I need to go get the camera?” and the crying would instantly stop. I wonder whatever happened to the tapes. Some Afghani kids are probably watching them thinking its a really crummy episode of full house.

        • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

          Because if Afghani kids up in the hills of Tora Bora are doing anything on their Macbook Airs connecting to that kick-ass wireless grid in Afghanistan, it’s watching Youtube videos of spoiled western brats.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        I’m against humiliating kids as well. But my response was to the putting someone on a goal post and skinning them part.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          i personally think kids should wear shock collars for discipline. It’s probably a good thing i don’t have kids or plan to.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Not planning to have kids means nothing. Trust me, it doesn’t matter what your plansare.

      • BearDown100393

        Video replay after interceptions totally messed up Cutler.

  • Hey, I’m curious for those who watch other sports. How does Suh’s contract compare to the highest Baseball or Soccer contract?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Baseball – Giancarlo Stanton,13 years $325,000,000 (although there are shorter contracts that have higher per year average)
      Soccer – Gareth Bale 6 years $146,280,000

      Main difference between Baseball and Football is that Baseball contracts are fully guaranteed.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I forgot about Bale. 3 contracts over 20 M.

      • Some are speculating that some NFL GMs are going to go the “fully guaranteed” route too.
        However, PFT brought up an interesting point. They argued that most GMs had a certain “gentleman’s agreement” NOT to fully guarantee contracts in order to give the “poorer” billionaires a chance to sign top FAs, etc.
        I’m not sure I buy it (I assume every owner could afford to give a $60M fully guaranteed contract?); nevertheless, it was an interesting point.
        SEA might hand Wilson one of those fully guaranteed contracts because the owners don’t see much risk in him.

        • willbest

          Aren’t rookie contracts 90% guaranteed?

          Guaranteeing contracts just shortens their length. Suh would have gotten a 3-yr 57 mil deal or whatever it works out to. The extra years are basically just team options.

          • The rookie ones are, but they’re relatively cheap. That was the trade off. Cheaper, but guaranteed.
            However, GMs might start fully guaranteeing FA contracts (like you said, – might be shorter).
            Word is SEA is going to do that with Wilson. It’ll be interesting to see if they do.
            Naturally, it’s a risk/reward scenario. Wilson carries little risk of gun running and coke distribution or radically regressing in the next 3 years. Other FAs…not so much.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      2 players in the soccer world receive more than $ 20 M. They are the elite.

      There’s a number of top players -maybe 100 players- that go from 10-15 M.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    The idea that the Bears didn’t want and look for a Cutler trade is pathetic. Who the fuck buys this crap ?

    They humiliated him and now they’ll pay him. That’s a losing tactic. They shit the pants. No PR campaign can cover that.

    My opinion is it’s all for the better. You can win with Cutler if you know what you’re doing. Wood came up with the numbers… you need a Top defense. Well… Fangio doesn’t coach non top Defenses.

    • Run o the mill damage control. Every team that fails to trade a player behind the scenes adamantly denies it afterwards (see 9ers – Kap).
      What if no “leaks” about trading Cutler had emerged? Then everyone would be all over Pace-Fox for once more rolling with a coach killa – for repeating the same mistake as Angelo/Emery.
      In one sense, I’m glad they at least tried to trade Cutler.
      I’m also happy they didn’t just give him away for pennies either.
      However, I’m wondering about the “leaks”.
      Halas Hall is pretty typed lipped. Wonder if this will become the norm of how they operate.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        were the leaks coming from Halas Hall or the other teams?

        • That’s a good point. That’s the danger of having an open house when any bum off the street can come in.
          It also could’ve been all conjecture.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          One thing is clear… the stupidest think that got out, the Cutler Panel with formers… didn’t get out from other teams or Cutler’s camp.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        It’s 10 times better being criticized for ‘rolling with Cutler’ than leaking about trading him and can’t be able to do so.

    • John Doe

      That is how business is done in the NFL.

      Jeff Fisher flatly denied two weeks ago that Bradford is not being traded.

      And yesterday he was and today we learn that the trade was in the works for weeks.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        the difference being…nobody really knew about Bradford being dealt and actually manging to get rid of him.

        Everybody knew about Cutler being shopped and he’ll stay.

        • John Doe

          It was out in the open about Bradford. First Bradford put in a trade request. Then Browns pursued him.

          Only Eagles trying to trade for him was not known.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Of course. But the PR always said they’re ‘happy to keep him…all we want is a salary reduction’.

          • FourFeathers

            We get it. Your teeing up your hatred for Ryan Pace and will be further furious in your assessment when the 2015 Bears don’t win football games. Because according to your logic all this roster needs is sound coaching and there should be no reason for not making the playoffs in 2015 and beyond. It’s s load of crap pal. And you are high on your own ego if you are naive enough to think Pace foolishly devalued the potential trade value of Marshall ! Good Lord you make it sound like Pace is a crappy poker player who should have either kept Marshall because he is no problem at all (I guess you live in the Halas Hall lockerroom to make such assessment) or should have been able to get a Jimmy Graham like trade return. Do you really think all other NFL teams are deaf, dumb and blind and thinking that Marshall was surely a swell guy and role model on the Bears ?!? Just stop.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            No… I’m just not a moron like some are who think you have to be a swell guy and a role model in order to play for the Chicago Bears.

            Marshall is an elite WR. And I’m not saying “Pace foolishly devalued the potential trade value of Marshall” you cunt. What I’m saying is he never tried to elevate it.

            Go back to your rebuilding board. Put ‘one 32 year old S’ and ‘one 29 year old WR’ on it. I’m sure it will fit.

          • And how does Fisher look now after giving Bradford the “vote of confidence”?
            How can other players trust him now?
            I don’t think it matters as much with Fisher because he’s been entrenched as HC for a while, but coming in and two-facing is not exactly creating the right locker room culture.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Everybody’s for himself. He’ll have no problem with the players.

            Many on their roster are youngsters who never played with Bradford. All they want is get paid. A healthy Qb helps.

    • willbest

      Alright here is my theory

      Pace uses the non vote of confidence to get other teams to inquire with him about Cutler so he doesn’t have to actively seek a trade partner (like he did with Marshall)

      Value from initial talks made him realize he wasn’t going to get the kind of value for Cutler that he would need to part with him.

      Announces that Cutler will play for the Bears.

      Now why did he do this “come ask me approach”? Perhaps because he felt that somehow it would be better for the Fox/Cutler dynamic than bringing Jay into his office and saying “Look, I am going to trade you if the price is right. Otherwise you are going to play ball for us”

      • EnderWiggin

        I agree. He actually DID say “Look, I am going to trade you if the price is right. Otherwise you are going to play ball for us” without actually saying it.
        In Jay’s defense, this new regime probably took the same approach with 40 or 50 guys.

        • FourFeathers

          Cutler is owed no special treatment! Pace and Fox don’t need to get Cutler’s approval on anything. Gone are the days of managing to Cutler’s feelings ! That kid glove special treatment of Cutler is what got Marrz, Tice and Trestman each a one way ticket out of town. It’s about friggin time the Bears and us fans increase our expectations for Cutler and have him start worrying instead about how WE feel about HIM. He needs to suck it up and start delivering after 6 years of disappointmenr.

          • willbest

            Special treatment? How about not being a prick to a guy you might need to count on for the next 12 months.

          • Trac

            You sir deserve a down vote for even suggesting we have to count on Cutler. Nay I say, in Foxy I trust.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I don’t think there’s any problem with that.

        I do think there’s a big problem with how they came to the conclusion that for the right price he’s tradable.

        You know… the whole “we’re noncommittal about Jake”,”we’ll ask Mike Tice and Brian Urlacher about what’s wrong with him” crap.

    • FourFeathers

      Cutler has been in the league 9 years and burned thru 5 offensive coordinators. He is 32 and widely evaluated from experts across the league as being a perennial disappointment and absolutely not the type of leader any team would look to. All the mystique about his big arm snd skills no longer means crap. He is what the hell he is, and that is far from being a franchise QB or a respected veteran leader of men on a football field. He’s an enigmatic sourpuss punk. And hell yeah Pace and Fox are right not to hitch their wagon to this cancer. If they could have dumped him and gotten a modest return and the cap relief then you bet they would have done it. And they would trot Jimmy Pickle or another journeyman behind center for 2015 and not worried one bit about it as part of the strategy to rebuild. Cutler is and has been a problem. And we are paying that problem elite QB dollars. The sooner his ass is gone (next offseason) the better.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Cutler being back really fucks your rebuild extravaganza theory.

  • Trac

    Did anyone catch the press conference?

    • Yes, and Pace is not a good liar. It’s all good though.
      Oh, and Fox sounds like a character from Good Fellas.

      • Trac

        Thanks for that detailed summary. I love me some Foxy!

        • It was pretty straight forward. The reporters did keep harping on the Cutler question, and I think they were getting a little annoyed with that line of questioning.
          But they better get used to it. Cutler will be the main topic in CHI the second he throws his first INT in the redzone.

      • willbest

        oy… we gotta… you know…get on the grass

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’m gonna get the papers, get the papers.

  • John Doe

    Bears may have caught a break with Antrel Rolle it seems. He was a lock yesterday with no other team making an offer. That changed when Gore and Johnson signed with Colts.

    Now all the U boys want to play together and Rolle left Bears today without signing.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      About the Colts… these morons haven’t learned shit from the constant and blatant beatings the Patriots gave them.

      About Rolle… his incredible leadership skills are much needed, but I’d rather have a combination of Tillman/Vereen play that 5th DB role.

      • John Doe

        He is 32. He will play 2 years at most. Find a younger leader.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I don’t get his possible acquisition from a playing point of view.

          His leadership traits were off the charts, though. He’s the real deal.

          He became a friend/mentor to Will Hill and tried to do everything he could to change hi. At the end he said ‘look, he’s a brother, but you can’t trust him’.

    • Waffle

      hmmmmm……nope.

  • John Doe

    Reunion with Fangio and Ed Donatell?? Forget Rolle, get Goldson..


    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 3m3 minutes ago
    Buccaneers Preparing To Release S Dashon Goldson http://bit.ly/1D7wZIv

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Bum Lovie releases his franchise DE. What a joke !!!

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    John Fox confirmed that Lamarr Houston will play outside linebacker in their new 3-4 defense. (Brad Biggs)

    Told you so.

    • BillW

      No more sack dances, please.

    • BearDown100393

      It is great to have a sack specialist against backup QBs in garbage time.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        patience

        • BearDown100393

          All we need is just a little patience (Patience)
          Mm, yeah

          • i been watching my feed tonight
            hoping the bears will get it right
            it’s hard to cheer when you’re 20 points down
            you know i don’t like a coach who acts like a clown
            and the field don’t change but maybe the names
            i ain’t so stoked for the game cause it’s sunday
            yeah it’s sunday
            w’oh it’s sunday
            so bear down bears

          • BearDown100393

            Lighters Up

    • in base. He and McPhee will both move around a lot IMO, so describing them as any one position is not really accurate.

      I still think we’ll see nickel packages with a 2-4-5 look where Houston and McPhee are the DTs and Allen/Young are OLBs. The ultimate Nascar package.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Of course… in 3-4 looks and 2-4 early down looks.

        The Nascar package is another thing. They’ll all move around in that set.

  • BillW

    Maybe John Doe was saying Cutler is not in the top 20 of all time?

    • BearDown100393

      Admittedly, I’m a harsh critic of #6. But I will concede that Jake is definitely in the conversation as a top 20 all time Bear QB…

      • Waffle

        please get the measles.

      • Irish Sweetness

        He is hands down better than Rusty Lisch, I’ll grant him that.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Dashon Goldson is the S the Bears should and sign. He’d be ideal.

    • FourFeathers

      Again, you make NFL GMing so simple ! Just sign Goldson ! Screw the scouting assessments and rhe overall strategy Pace has for building the Bears. Just go sign Goldson dumb ass Pace! I’ll let Pace, Fox and Fangio decide if he is “ideal.”

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        He went to the Super Bowl in 2012 with Fangio.

        Go back to your rebuilding wet dreams, pal.

  • On non-Cutler news…is it me, or did the AFCE teams go all-in this offseason in FA?

    Bills traded for Shady McCoy and got a QB.
    Jets threw the bank at Revis and the other CB
    Miami threw two banks on Suh

    Pats stayed pat, but did re-sign McCourty.

    I think that division just got much tougher…not like it’s going to matter.

    • BerwynBomber

      Miami has potential. Tannenhill showed signs last year. Granted, his ceiling might never be much more than Cutty’s, but their D was already tough pre-Suh and Lamar Miller is a decent RB.

      Rex will be interesting at the Bills as will Bowles at the Jets but not crazy about either QB situation, though ask me to choose I will take Cassel/Manuel over Geno/Fitzy.

      But should be one of the best divisions in terms of team defense. A bit like the NFC West until SF went belly up.

    • willbest

      This might shed some light on it
      AFCE plays AFCS and NFCE
      AFCS plays NFCS

      AFCW plays AFCN and NFCN
      AFCN plays NFCW

      If you look at the schedule the AFC East is going to field at least 1 wild card, and probably both if the Texans don’t get good QB play. Also, I find it hard to believe that Indy won’t have the #1 seed in the AFC so long as Luck stays healthy

      • Scott W.

        I heard on twitter that Luck is overrated.

        • BillW

          I heard on Twitter that Twitter is nonsense.

          Sort of a prisoner’s dilemma.

  • BerwynBomber

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog So the Bucs are going to have Chris Conte & Major Wright next year. But no, Lovie is a great coach.”

    Don’t know why anyone would ever call Lovie a great coach. But he used to be a solid one when someone else was GMing and making personnel decisions.

    • Plus, when the Bears had a pass rush, Conte and Wright were more than serviceable. In the Lovie-2, safeties don’t need to be all-pro.
      As long as the Bucs have a front4 pass rush, I think they’ll be OK with that combo…until Conte knocks himself out again.

      • BerwynBomber

        Conte has never been as bad as people fulminated about. He is a above average/very good cover S (despite an infamous blown coverage against GB). Run support, yeah he sucks, but in fairness the guy has been asked to be the last line of run support more often than most FS.
        His biggest problem is he is fragile.

        • willbest

          Wasn’t that the result of him being in zone coverage and not man or something? And it was Jennings or somebody who blew that in 2014 against the Packers as well.

          For whatever reason communication on defense was not something Tucker seemed to stress.

          • BerwynBomber

            Here’s the thing about that infamous season-ending play: Wright blatantly tackled Nelson ten yards from scrimmage so even if Rodgers doesn’t hit Cobb the Cheese should have been awarded a fifteen yard PI call, though apparently the officials completely missed it.

            I always wondered if some of our mixed up coverages the last couple of years might have had to do with Briggs making the calls instead of Lach.

          • SC Dave

            Umm… this?

        • SC Dave

          With you, BB. I never understood the Conte hate. He was far from a star, but when the LBs were not totally incompetent (as they were in 2013/14) he really did not look that bad.

    • BillW

      I guess Adam Archuletta has really retired.

    • BearDown100393

      Urlacher, Briggs and Tillman made him look even better.

  • Scott W.

    Did anyone catch the Seahawks GM’s interview with the NFL Network yesterday?
    He surprised me more than any HC/GM I’ve seen interviewed in a long time.
    When asked about acquiring Graham from the Saints for their Center, he waxed nostalgic, and seemed wistful about the days before FA.
    He spoke candidly about players moving from team to team now, and even said that people forget that lives are being changed with trades like they did, that it’s more than just players going to other teams every year.
    He really sounded almost regretful, talking about all of it.
    Don’t hear that kind of talk often, if ever. I don’t think he used a single cliche.
    If you can find it online, it’s well worth your time to listen in.

    • Didn’t catch it, but I’ll check it out.
      I did catch Chip Kelley’s though (since NFL Net is now Eagle’s Network).
      Sounds like a total weasel to me.
      And apparently, a team already offered old Chip a 1st rounder for Bradford already!

      • Scott W.

        Yeah, I saw that one too. “Weasel” does it for me. Chip The Weasel. New Philly mob name.

      • FourFeathers

        Chip Kelly operates with the arrogance that comes with knowing that even if he irrevocably ruins the Eagles and is fired that he still will have a dozen blue chip college programs who want to hire him the next day.

        • Nick Saban part Deux.

          • BerwynBomber

            Except thus far Kelly is passing the “Can you coach successfully in the NFL” test.

    • willbest

      On the one hand you made the 1970s version of 200,000 dollars during a period where you suffered more bodily injury with less medical science and people handed you any pain med you wanted to get back out there, but at least your wife and kids didn’t have to pack up and move every 2-3 years

    • BerwynBomber

      FA is fine in the NFL and NBA. Adds some off-season excitement and provides some parity.

      FA sucks in MLB where there is no cap and limited revenue-sharing.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      He was faking it.

  • More non-cutler news

    Bucs will release S Dashon Goldson.
    They’ve found a replacement in Chris Conte. Cutting Goldson saves $4 million, but also leaves behind $4 million in dead money. Signed to a five-year, $41.25 million contract in March 2013, Goldson was an abject failure both of his seasons in Tampa, performing as one of the league’s worst safeties. That, coupled with his advancing age (31 in September), made him a no-brainer release for a team that’s performed comically poorly in free agency in recent years. Despite his rough play the past two seasons, there should be no shortage of teams willing to take a flier on a player who was a first-team All-Pro in 2012. – Roto

    • BillW

      General Franco is still officially dead.

      • AlbertInTucson

        That’s Generalissimo Franco.

        But he IS stil very seriously dead.

    • So, was Goldson just miscast, or does he truly suck now?

      • FourFeathers

        He was very bad in Tampa. Before and after Lovie. Speaks loudly as to why expectations have to be tempered in free agents and why the persistently good teams win because they draft and develop guys.

        • John Doe

          Many times performance is scheme dependent and how a player is utilized.

          Goldson played best in 2011 and 2012 under Fangio and Donatell scheme. I am sure they can get him playing good again. And he might come relatively cheap given how bad he was the last two years. Competition never hurts. I hope they bring him even if they sign Rolle and Parker.

      • SC Dave

        Seems Tampa likes Conte better.

    • He played really well in SF, but they were also extremely happy to let him leave in FA.

      Fangio/Donatell had a history of that with S there, and none of them lived up to their deals elsewhere. Also had a decent S come in from outside and play at an All-Pro level last year. Gives me hope that their scheme/coaching will get good production out of whoever they have.

  • NewBearInTown

    My big takeaway from the press conference is that we have exactly zero players currently on the Bears that Fox/Pace are comfortable referring to as 3-4 DEs. We have at least half a dozen that are OLBs.
    I suspect that is a strong indication of where we will look in the first three rounds.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      McPhee is a 3-4 DE.

      There isn’t much need for more. Fangio’s base D truly is 2-4-5.

      • NewBearInTown

        Pace specifically called him an OLB at the press conference.
        And no, we can’t go into the season with one DE on the roster. Fangio’s base is 3-4-4. His nickel packages will be 3-3-5 and 2-4-5 and 4-2-5 depending on the situation.
        Call the position whatever you want, we need more big guys for the front of the D. Pace will probably sign someone else and will also likely draft someone.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          He’ll sign somebody, but not necessarily a 3-4 DE.

  • NewBearInTown

    Rolle a Bear. $11.25M for 3 years. $5M guaranteed.
    That’s a good deal.

    • FourFeathers

      That is a truly excellent deal and a big upgrade. Might be 32 and a coverage liability but he is smart snd a natural born leader ala Mike Brown. Good bridge player for the rebuild.

      • SC Dave

        Yeah, whatever. We’ll see.

        • Waffle

          I can feel your anguish about Conte leaving.

      • Irish Sweetness

        “Might be 32 and a coverage liability …”
        Ehhhh …

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          At least Rolle won’t concuss himself while dropping a deuce.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Rebuilding with 32 years old S. ahhahaahh.

        Man…you really re all-in with this nonsense.

  • NewBearInTown

    Eddie Royal also a Bear. Money details coming.

  • NewBearInTown

    Still a lot of value in the FA tackle market. Curious if the Bears will bring in competition at right tackle – draft is not great at the position this year.

    • willbest

      I am one of a couple guys here that would be okay with them drafting an OT (or WR) with #7.

      • Waffle

        agreed, there are a lot of D holes but you can never go wrong with man mountain meat on the OL.

      • I’m intrigued by Scherff. NOt sure he sticks at OT, but love his nasty attitude and think he’ll end up as a top-quality OG at worst.

        • Waffle

          never pass on an OL with 6 of 7 letter in his name are consonants. That means old man mill / farm strength and attitude.

        • NewBearInTown

          http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/11/2015-draft-brandon-scherff-iowa/
          Guy sounds like a great teammate. The short arms thing is maybe not as much of an issue at right tackle. I wouldn’t be upset with that pickup.

        • Irish Sweetness

          That would allow us to move Kyle out to RT. If you can get your next three picks on D… why not? We really should be signing Knighton though. Drafting Scherff and then DE/OLB in rounds 2/3?

          Nah, fuggit. Sign an OG, draft a DE/OLB in the first.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I think the Bears have options at RT. The should find the right guy between Mills, Leno and Ola.

  • BerwynBomber

    Royal and Rolle seem like solid guys, though I have to chuckle about Royal’s “Jay connection”. Here we go again!

    • Waffle

      He also played for Gase. he also returns kicks and punts well. He also is 28 with miles left. he also. He recently played for Chargers and did really well. Chuckle all you want, here we go again!……bringing in talented guys that can satisfy multiple positions. Bomber, just because you drink polluted water in Berwyn or Cicero and beat your wives as a sport doesn’t mean you can’t just be happy once in a while.

      • willbest

        I liked Marinai (sp?) the guy they found mid season. Or maybe it was just seeing somebody competent after seeing pure garbage for 8 games that lowered my expectations so much.

        I like Royal as a slot guy. If Wilson can elevate his game and the Bears can find an between the tackles bruiser to complement Forte I can’t wait to see what the O can do.

        • Waffle

          Mariani has talent and was a huge step up from the running backs we put back to return kicks and punts but Royal brings it in the return game and as the #3. I think Marc will have a tough time making this squad.

          • NewBearInTown

            Feel bad for the kid. He got hurt last year before he was able to do anything on the field. Still, I agree he likely gets cut.
            Good chance he signs on elsewhere there. Very gifted physically.

        • SC Dave

          Oh god, not the Wilson shit again. It’s almost as tiresome as that one chump they had a couple years back that had played for like five teams, caught a couple of passes in preseason game four, and had too many here all excited… Odorshedu or some such

          • NewBearInTown

            Shaba! Devin Aromashadu (or however you spell it). A blog favorite for like three seasons.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Aroma caught that game winner from Jay in OT against the Vikes, then they fired Turner brought in Martz. Aroma was too dumb to pick up his system and was cut

          • AlbertInTucson

            That was a REALLY disappointing turn of events. Aromashadu looked to be n the rise and then..POOF.

          • Irish Sweetness

            SHABBA-DABBA-DOOOOO !!!

  • Waffle

    Shea, and i mean this with no disrespect….”get your lily white ass out of the way”

    http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/bears-olb-pernell-mcphees-simple-self-scouting-report-%E2%80%9Cviolent%E2%80%9D

    • willbest

      I really want to believe that Shea can cut it as 3-4 OLB, and I want him to get his chance. But fortunately Pace won’t be shoving him down Fox’s throat so if (more likely when) he can’t cut it, he is gone.

      • Waffle

        will, when you see the fucking animal that is McPhee at 6’3 280lbs compared to Shea’s 6’3 240 math teacher physique you will actually get a semi boner.
        40lbs more of muscle that can play all front 4 positions and blitz from anywhere. Death by Chocolate.

        • SC Dave

          Like your Cornelius Washington boner, Johnny? Or was that MB’s?

          • Waffle

            not me, Corny was a fucking spaz. Turned out to be a decent ST cover guy though.

          • SC Dave

            Fair enough, bro. Good to see you back.

          • Waffle

            the McPhee, Rolle and Royal signings have stirred my loins. I don’t mind losing as long as you go out there and beat some ass. Guys like McPhee coached by guys like Fangio will make us vomit when we think of what the fuck we were doing the last couple of years with Tucker and athletes. I want fucking killers. McPhee is a killer. Fangio is an instructor of the deadly arts.

          • BerwynBomber

            Oh please. You were popping the blue diamond the moment you knew Cutty was returning.
            I think they’re solid signings, but we’ll see.

          • Waffle

            I think we can agree that it doesn’t matter who the QB is if the D is 2013/2014 caliber. Vic Beasley at number 7. Pass rush makes the corners and safeties look better than they are. I have a little feeling that Pot Roast will be a Bear so they can take an OLB in the draft instead of drafting Shelton.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, the D will be competent if nothing else. Fox’s and Fangio’s pedigree pretty much assures that.

          • Waffle

            i’ve finally upvoted you.

          • Waffle

            and with that small miracle, i’m off to bed.

          • BerwynBomber

            well, don’t go too hard on that jay doll. it has to make it thru the ’15 season.

          • I’m not completely giving up on any of the young guys until I see them get a chance under the new (and vastly improved) coaching staff. Not expecting anything from any of them either (save the ones like Jones that showed something), just not writing them off yet.

          • Waffle

            I like David Bass. I used to like Cheta Ozougwu. Both were/are better than Shea McClellin. Cheddar ripped up his hammy after he had pretty much outplayed Shea. Bass will have a real shot at being a 3’4 OLB.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Combine that with Knighton and a first round DE/OLB … semi-engorged indeed.

    • Gotta be a badass to get away with that hair-do.

  • John Doe

    Word is Ron Parker is asking for $6 million per year. Might be too much for just 1 year of good play. Lovie might have helped Bears out by releasing Goldson. Will definitely be cheaper option and knows Fangio/Donatell system.

    Best would be if they get them both.


    Ian Wharton @NFLFilmStudy · 15m15 minutes ago
    The #Bears are a team to watch tomorrow. Heard they were the front runner for Ron Parker, but Dashon Goldson is drawing heavy interest

    • FourFeathers

      Goldson was awful under two coaching regimes in two years in Tampa. I don’t want the guy unless he comes dirt cheap. Something is just not right about his game and this is where free agency can burn a team.

      • John Doe

        Worth a $1.5 million 1 year type prove it deal. Let him fight for a spot in training camp. Will keep others on toes as well.

      • he played well under Fangio though. Fits that scheme, though better at SS, where they already have 2 guys.

    • they already signed Rolle. Doubt they sign 2 more FA S. Have 2 on roster already in Mundy and Vereen.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        They might use a S as the 5th DB in the nickel looks, which will be more than 60% of the time.

        • yep, but have 4 S for 3 spots at that point

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I wouldn’t sign 2 S FA, but I don’t think having 5 S is too much.

            The Patriots had 5 S this season. And 5 CB, even 6 for a 7-8 weeks period, until they put Dennard on fake IR.

            Today, the Bears have 7 DBs, including Hurst and Jean Luis which I find to be talented guys, but they’re no lock.

          • I’m fine with carrying 5 S on the roster, but not if 4 of them are veterans you brought in during FA making $1.5M+ a year. That’s not good value.

            The 5th guy should be cheap and mostly a STer.

  • John Doe

    Hope they get Jordan Cameron. Dowell Loggains can help recruit him as he was in Cleveland last year.


    Chicago Sports News @ChiSportUpdates · 1h1 hour ago
    Two Sources: The bears this season want to use 2 TE’s formation, Bears showing interest in Jordan Cameron

    • I’ve not heard any rumors connecting him to Bears from anybody else. Waiting for a more reliable source on this one.

      • John Doe

        They were really interested in Virgil Green. So they are definitley looking for another TE. So not a complete stretch.

        • I’m not saying it can’t happen, I’m saying I’ve seen nothing that I trust yet that connects him to the Bears in any way, shape, or form. He’s also likely to get more $ than Chicago is looking to spend on their TE2, and he’s more of a pass catcher while they are likely looking for more of a run blocker (like Green is).

    • Jordan Cameron is good, but inj prone. I think he’s like a concussion away from missing a season or something.
      I also wonder if this has something to do with replacing Bennett down the line.
      Bennett got in a few fights before the season even started.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The TE the Bills released is a good option in my mind.

  • NewBearInTown

    So I go to bed and leave with this. And I posted this a few weeks ago, before FA and the combine and all that mess.

    I do not care what position the Bears draft, so long as he is a baller.

    If we draft a center at #7 who goes on to a HOF career, I will be all smiles.

    If we draft Mariota and he turns out to be a true starting QB (whether or not we stick with Cutty and trade him or keep him), I’m thrilled.

    If we take a safety or a MLB that becomes our defensive QB, great.

    If we take a productive pass rusher, a beastly run stopping nose tackle, a 1000 yard per season receiver, or a work horse running back, I’m good with any of that.

    Just get someone good. Get someone genuinely good to add to our fairly small rookie talent pool. The rest will work itself out.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I give you a HB, Amari Cooper/Kevin White … or any TE ?

      We’re in a pretty good position to get a nasty pass-rusher if your due diligence is done.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Stevie Johnson has been released. I wonder who will pick him up. I wonder if it’s the Patriots…that would be fun.

  • Irish Sweetness

    We’re going to give the ball to Matt Forte. We’re not going to turn the ball over, even if we have to run the ball 50 times. So says Billick after presser.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000478234/article/bears-gm-jay-cutler-is-our-starting-quarterback

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