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Money Where My Mouth Is: Three Picks for Week Four

| October 1st, 2015

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Another 1-2 week has left me reeling through three weeks of the season. Gave the Ravens too much credit (and didn’t deduct enough points for Marc Trestman’s involvement in their organization). Didn’t give the Bears defensive coaching staff enough credit. Nothing is over. Nothing. I shall rebound.

DOLPHINS UNDER 20 POINTS V. JETS IN LONDON

If you get an opportunity to watch the replay of Bills v. Dolphins from Sunday, spend the hour and do so. It felt like, from the opening whistle, we were watching the last game of the Joe Philbin era in Miami. The offense was useless. The defense made Tyrod Taylor look like Roger Staubach. The coaching staff didn’t make a single discernible adjustment over the course of 60 minutes. And they’ve completely lost the plot with their use of Suh.

Are the Jets great? No. But their defense is capable of wrecking this game for the Dolphins and I can’t see Tannehill getting this group to three touchdowns.

BEARS +3 OVER RAIDERS

Full report on this selection will be available in tomorrow’s game preview.

LIONS +10 AT SEAHAWKS

Let’s look at the Seahawks first three games. They were humiliated defensively in week one by Nick Foles and a Rams offense that have gone AWOL since. They were somewhat lifeless at Lambeau Field, losing by double digits in a game that never felt that close. Sunday, at home against Jimmy Clausen, they were entirely unimpressive. So how are they double-digit favorites against ANYBODY? Not only do I think this game is close, I wouldn’t be surprised if Detroit has a chance to win late.

Record: 3-5-1 (-$260)

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  • AlbertInTucson

    That Suh signing looks worse every week.

    • Viva

      Certainly doesn’t look good!

    • CanadaBear

      Who could have seen that coming? Other than about every fan in the NFCN not cheering for the Kitties.

      • AlbertInTucson

        The Fins made it easy for Detroit to be rid of him.

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    “The offense was useless. The defense made Tyrod Taylor look like Roger Staubach. The coaching staff didn’t make a single discernible adjustment over the course of 60 minutes.”

    I haven’t watched MIA yet this year, but everything I read about them reminds me strongly of the Bears last year, including that quote. That describes probably 13/16 Bears games last year. Sounds like Philbin lost that locker room.

    • Viva

      Rudderless-ship syndrome.

    • AlbertInTucson

      And then you add “The Boy Named Suh.”

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

      That’s exactly what I said last wk about MIA. They’re the ’14 Bears. They SHOULD have a badass D, but they’re somehow worse than us.
      Philbin might be fired mid-season.

  • BearDown100393

    Not often you read a team being “entirely unimpressive” after shutting out the Bears completely. If the Lions do beat the Seahawks, Chicago’s rebuild to remain competitive within its division even more challenging.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      the shutout was due more to Clausen’s incompetence than anything SEA did. Even without the threat of a passing game, SEA had trouble stopping the run in the 1st half.

      • Irish Sweetness

        That’s because we can run the ball. They won’t have any trouble stopping the worst rushing team in thee league.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’d like it explained to me how the Lions could possibly beat the Seahawks.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        SEA so far this year has a bad offense and a mediocre defense… that’s a beatable team.
        Not that DET is any better. But 10 points seems like a huge favorite. I picked SEA to win straight up in my pick’em, but would probably pick DET in a spread.

        • Irish Sweetness

          That’s the thing about ten point spreads – they look big. But DET literally cannot run the ball. Even getting into FG range may be beyond them. If SEA gets anything around three TDs, they’ll cover. SEA are not a team you want to play if you can’t run it. They’ll eat the kitties alive.

        • BerwynBomber

          I don’t care for that spread either and SEA’s O will struggle all year if their O-line remains as bad as it has been. But I think their D is coming around and they really only had one bad game, which was the Rams, which was on the road, and which SEA had a very good chance of winning.

  • Irish Sweetness

    No bets for me this week. I’ll keep the old powder dry for next week.

    ATL will win at 4/11 but I don’t see another bet to go with them. GB -9 are attractive, but they can’t stop the run.

    1. Dolphins? Point totals are a coin toss.

    2. Bears +3? Surely there is no way Clausen can win a game. They’ll stack the box and he hasn’t got the tools to hit the outside stuff. If Cutty was playing it’d be the bet of the week after ATL.

    3. Lions +10? They can’t run the ball, as in they are 32nd in the league with about two and a half yards a pop. Gonna be a long day for Stafford and CJ will be taken out of the game easily. If the Hawks score two TDs they’ll cover the spread. The Hawks shut us out 26-0, and I think we’re better than the Lions. No, we ARE better than the Lions.

  • Trac

    That’s a whole lotta $5 footlongs at the homeless camp Jeff. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

  • Harley Weewax

    There’s an article in the Baltimore Sun today about how the Raven’s running game is much worse than last year. Made me chuckle.

    • MB30SD

      come on maings… can’t post that shit without a link. you can do better than this.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      I had a bunch of stats on Twitter earlier this week: Ravens are throwing 65% of time this year (55% in 2014), rushing ypg have dropped from 127 to 73, pass ypa from 7.2 to 6.8.

      In other words, despite Trestman’s insistence on keeping the offense from 2014, he’s doing his usual thing to it, and they’re scoring 2.3ppg less.

  • Trac

    Let me be the school master Jeff. Most fans don’t believe Jay Cutler can win a title. It’s ridiculi to suggest a lot of Bears fans don’t want Cutty to win one.

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog

    “I get sense a lot of Bears fans don’t want Cutler to win a title here. Because they’re nuts.”

    #ingoranttwatoftheweek!

    • BerwynBomber

      I found it best to ignore almost all of Blogfather’s Cutty tweets. Took the bait too many times last year. Learned my lesson.

  • BerwynBomber

    SEA had one bad game — the Rams — which was on the road and which they barely lost. Their game in Lambeau looked like a playoff game and that was before Chancellor returned. Yeah, we know last week: Jimmy Clausen. Yet plug Cutty into our lineup and we still don’t produce anything more than 7 or 10 points out there. Stafford? He’s like Cutty. Big time talent but puts 3-5 passes a game in harm’s way.

    All that said it is a big point spread against a team that just last year won double digit games and made the post-season. But the Lions might not be able to take advantage of SEA’s biggest weakness, which is their O line. Thus far DET’s D line looks utterly toothless w/out Suh and Fairley.

    • MB30SD

      you said But plug Cutty

      Can someone please change thier FF name? thanks.

      • BerwynBomber

        Hah! Corrected.

        • MB30SD

          damn it

    • Irish Sweetness

      And Russell Wilson is arguably more dangerous on the move

  • MB30SD

    Hey trac, see jeff’s tweet about tebow.

    Really good human, really bad NFL QB.

    • Trac

      Don’t make me Haka yo ass again bojkie!

      • MB30SD

        you are a traitor sir!

        • Trac

          Hahaha

          • MB30SD

            Here’s some advice for you my man: http://www.mandatory.com/2015/10/01/todays-funny-photos/

          • Trac

            Ha ha ha. Gotta say only #4 is lacking.

          • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

            #2 is a pipe dream. I’m convinced.

          • Sactowns#1

            I would just be happy to find a decent looking gal who knows what a kitchen is.

          • Johnnywad

            Ward Cleaver. Is that you?

          • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

            That’s the classic catch 22. If she knows how to cook, she probably knows how to eat. See where I’m going with this?

          • Sactowns#1

            lol. I’ve had one gal who knew how to cook and enjoyed doing it. She also knew how to fly into crazy rage fits, which were kind of scary/cute since she was a 5ft tall 95lbs Vietnamese girl.

  • MB30SD

    Hot, smart, AND funny: http://www.mandatory.com/2015/10/01/chrissy-teigens-twitter-account-will-make-you-like-her-more-tha/

    And she’s married (?) to John Legend?!?!

    • BerwynBomber

      Not bad. And her tweet about the Pats is pretty spot-on as an analogy.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Dude, check out the shot where they’re in bed and there’s a no-makeup situation happening. Not quite Katy Perry bad, but nevva evva marry for the bod.

      Rockin’ bod though. The first shot is nice.

  • MB30SD
  • Irish Sweetness

    I’ve changed my mind about not having a bet this week after looking at Houston and Detroit’s stats.
    3-2 on the season is going for it (slightly smaller stake than last week though).

    Avoiding GB -8.5 because they are the worst team in the NFL at stopping the run (5.0 avg)

    Detroit are stone last in rushing, and scoring any points whatsoever will be an achievement.
    Stafford has a QBR of 78 with 5-5 TD-INT ratio against Michael Bennett, Sherman, Kam et al.

    SEA -9.5

    Atlanta ran all over the Dallas defense last week. HOU have a pretty stingy run D, but ATL will rip them apart thru the air. HOU’s QBR is 70.

    ATL -6.5

    Seattle to win by 10, Atlanta to win by 7. Doesn’t sound like any mountains need to be moved there.
    I’m on.

  • Pissed Off

    Miami has been terrible. On a neutral field jets should win by a td. Division games are usually well fought but philbin and co are bad and this game will bring out the best in the jets.

    Bears will cover the spread with Cutler and lose by 10 or more with pickles. David Carr is the real deal and so is Cooper.

    The Seahawks offensive line is atrocious. The only one that might be worse is Detroit. They gave up some oline help to get Graham not sure that was a good move. Seattle will win by 13 or more when it’s all said and done. Carroll never lets off the gas and will score a passing td late in the game when they are already up by 7 or more.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Why would Cutty be practicing if he’s not playing? Do Vegas know something we don’t?

      • Sactowns#1

        Seriously. If Jay plays then Da Bears should roll. The D will be invigorated and they’ve actually been playing decent as is. Alshon back healthy and the run game in full swing, it would at least be a lot more palatable than another Cheddar Bob start. http://littlesportfan.tumblr.com/post/125018922050/jimmy-clausen-is-cheddar-bob-sportsmemes

      • Pissed Off

        2 straight days of limited practice and he was taking half of the 1st team reps…..I would say He plans to start barring a Setback

    • BerwynBomber

      With Cutty we should win. Yes, OAK’s arrow is pointing upward. Yes, they’re 2-1. Yes, they have a few nice pieces. Yes, they notched their first road win last week in something like three years.

      But they are still an inferior team and home field should tilt the game to our advantage.

      In terms of Pickles starting? Depends on which Pickles we see. The one from the SEA game last week or the one from the DET game last year.

      • Pissed Off

        After the game tell me Oakland isn’t much improved and that Derek Carr isnt the real deal and that this team isn’t vastly improved under this staff from years past. I’m guessing you haven’t watched the raiders play this year.

  • The GP

    Suh lost me when he crashed his ’70 Chevelle SS with a true matching numbers 454 into a tree, almost hitting somebody, then stumbling out and leaving the scene for his fixer to deal with.

    The Chevelle was cranberry red, I know that was your next question. Not some pussy 396, but a true LS6 at 500 bhp.

    #FuckSuh

    • beninnorcal

      396 is not bad at all. Certainly not ‘pussy’, it’s a fire-breathing V8. Otherwise, I totally agree with this assessment. His actions are bullshit.
      Someone probably took great care of that car for years and poured their heart and soul into a restore. He comes along and does that and DGAF.

      • CanadaBear

        My buddy has a ’70 Chevelle with a 454 and a 2010 (ish) Shelby. He said the Shelby will blow the doors off the Chevelle. Also, it’s the first car he’s ever owned that actually intimidates him. He’s always had a muscle car as long as I’ve known him. Before the Chevelle he had a ’70 Judge and then a regular GTO (don’t know the year). He and his buddies do all their own maint/rebuilds and drive the cars like they should be driven.

        • The GP

          A modern 2010 GT500 will blow the doors off a Classic Muscle car of any stripe, save for perhaps a race prepped 426 Cuda with fatties or an AC Cobra.

      • The GP

        I was just bustin balls. A 396 is a great ride, I know somebody with a 69 Camaro SS with a 396 and it pulls aplenty.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Adam Jahns ‏@adamjahns 22h22 hours ago
    #Bears DL Will Sutton (elbow) practiced today. He was limited.”

    “Limited”.

    That kind of sums of the Bears in general.

    • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

      Ha!

    • The GP

      Sutton will play with possibly a tear in the bicep
      Jay is going to play with perhaps a tear in the glutes or a stressed hammy
      Alshon is going to go with whatever the hell is wrong with his leg

      Maybe Big Ben will go with his cracked knee and pulled ACL.

  • Irish Sweetness
    • TheBigCheesy

      that’s a week old, bruh.

  • The GP
    • Viva
      • Sactowns#1
        • Viva

          Silly chevy guy.

          • Sactowns#1

            Viva la Chevy!!

          • Cormonster

            Hey man, I own a bunch of Chevy work trucks. I bought a Ford once. One. That was enough. Although, I’m a little pissed at one of my Chevy’s right now. It blew a tranny today, and now it’s gonna cost me 2 grand to rectalfy the problem.

    • MB30SD

      Fuck, that thing’s sexy man.

    • Trac

      Speaking of Porsche, the daughter of the guy from fast and furious that crashed and burned is suing them. At least her lawyer is.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

    No one claimed Vereen off waiver. Queens pick him up from the trash, take a whiff.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/01/brock-vereen-lands-on-minnesotas-practice-squad/

    I’m glad both Vereen and Carey are off the team. They were thoroughly unimpressive to me, and the NFL has agreed.

    Also, why the hell can’t Grassu crack the starting lineup? It’s not uncommon for Cs to play OG, or for 3rd round linemen to start (Warford). Isn’t he supposed to be “polished”?

    Some contend he needs to improve his strength, so how long is that gonna take?

    • BillW

      I wonder about Grassu also. Were we really in a position to take what seems to be a developmental pick? I trust the front office and coaches – just wondering.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

        Yes, it’s fairly common for 3rd/4rth round rookies esp at OG to start around the league. Heck, even Trestman started 4rth rd Mills at OT, which is less common.

        Maybe they want to find out what they have in Ducasse for sure before closing the books on him. Usually changes are made after the bye, so that might be in the cards.

        If that’s the case, I’m ok with it, but we definitely should play Grassu in real games before the season ends. Don’t want to find out he sucks next season.

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        they had the C on the roster for this year already. I really liked Grasu’s college film, but it scares me how overmatched he looked in the preseason.
        Grasu handled Danny Shelton well in college though. Which was one of the reasons I was sold on him. Then again, I was sold on Fuller because he handled Amari Cooper.

        • AlbertInTucson

          And Carey looked like a man among boys at U of AZ.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      Carey is still on the Bears.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Has he been active yet this season?

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          nope. But they kept him on the 53 despite 0 ST value because they knew somebody else would grab him if they cut him. That tells me they think he might be part of a RB platoon next year once Forte is gone.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

        lol, what? on the practice squad?
        Pushing Ginny around in her wheel chair?

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          on the 53 man roster, but he’s been one of the 7 inactives every game this year

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

    How I’d describe OAK offense: straightforward. Nothing is complicated.
    Run it up your gut, put the ball in WR hands as quick as possible. – Jeff

    How I describe it? High-volume.

    I read somewhere that Carr-Cooper-Murray are the most explosive trio in the NFL already. That might be true.
    Throw in Crabtree, Reece, Rivera and Janakowski, and that’s a lot of weapons to account for.

    However, their D can be pushed around. They racked up their first sack last week, so if that’s the case, we can at least have a more productive O this week (can’t be worse, right?)

    • The GP

      SeaBass!

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

        You should just change your FF team to The Lambeaus! smh

        • The GP

          God knows there are more Pack fans on the trains these days than Bears fans.

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

    “Nothing is over. Nothing. I shall rebound.” – Jeff

    Famous last words. I like this weekly article. Good “This is why you don’t gamble, kids” public announcement.

    That being said. If I were a betting man.

    Skins +3. I expect them to upset the Eagles or cover the spread.
    Jags @ Indy. Indy -9 expect the Jags to beat them or cover the spread
    Pack @ 9ers. Packers will beat them by more than 8 points.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/odds

    I was curious though. Where does Jeff get his lines?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Not necessaily disagreeing but that last one assumes the Packers will FINALLY figure out how to keep Kaepernik from running all over them.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

        That had crossed my mind, but Kap is a DISASTER this season. Even some talk about benching him. Tomsula has already given him the dreaded “vote of confidence”. I think they fall apart early and essentially quit to a chorus of boos.

        • AlbertInTucson

          They looked decent week 1 but they looked worse against the Cards than the Bears did with Cutler.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

            And the Chiefs looked MUCH worse vs the Pack than the Bears.

            That’s why I don’t buy that bears are “worst” team narrative.

            We’re like a recovering alcoholic after a moment of clarity. Yes, we’re a mess, but we’re rebuilding.

            Some other teams are still in a drunken stupor that have yet to hit rock bottom. Saints, Lions, Fins come to mind.

          • TheBigCheesy

            The Bears might not be the worst team in the league, but they are obviously not as good as Le Chefs.

            The Bears played Green Bay at home. The Chiefs went to Lambeau. Rodgers hasn’t lost there since the 2012 opener (if you take out the Bears game where he left after 1 drive). Before that, he hadn’t lost at home since October of 2010.

            And the Chiefs also played quite well the first two weeks of the season.

          • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

            Bears were competing vs two NFC SB contenders with Cutty.
            That’s more than a lot of other shitty teams.
            We might end up with the worst record due to being Clausened, but I don’t think we’re the worst (with Cutty who in spite of his killer INTs, still is a starting caliber QB).

            I think the Lions and Saints are worse, personally.

            More talented, but a worse team.

            Fins are getting there too.

          • TheBigCheesy

            I’m with you. I just don’t think using the Chiefs comp was appropriate, because of the road/home disparity.

          • BillW

            Hmmm… so Rodgers has lost only 1 home game in five years. Headset issues? Ball inflation issues? Gotta be some type of cheating going on.

            Seriously, that’s beyond amazing. There were other teams over my lifetime that had that kind of mystique going for them at home – Bulls in the Jordan years; Celtics at one time; Raiders in their glory years.

            But it’s such a different story in the playoffs. I need to check ths, but taking out the SB year, I read Rodgers is 2-5 in the playoffs. Don’t know how that splits home/away.

          • BerwynBomber

            Well, I don’t know if you can remove his SB year if assessing his post-season career. But yeah, even including their SB year, he has a mortal 6-5 record.

            In fairness Rodgers played well in eight of those eleven games, which is above average when it comes to the post-season, but ultimately QBs are judged by rings. And Blogfather was right in tweeting yesterday that you can’t call Rodgers the GOAT with his post-season record. It’s silly.

            Another ring or two he is definitely in the discussion. But I don’t think it will happen. Blowing it the way they did last year is a bad omen, and McCarthy is not a guy I would trust against the very best.

          • BillW

            I like the analogy.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Packers probably just DARE him to beat them by throwing the ball.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Hey! Here’s how smart I am!

    I left LeGarrett Blount and his 18 points on my bench last weekend.

    I, of course, lost by, you guessed it; 17.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

      I had him benched too, Al, so I feel ya.

      But I wanted to see how Bill would use Blount in his first game back. I saw all I needed to see.
      Now it’s just a matter of guessing correctly which game will be a “Blount” game.

      But getting in Bill’s head is like that movie “Being John Malkavich”

      • AlbertInTucson

        Yeah, that was my mindset too.

        Hindsight is 20-20 but , the fact that it was the Jags should have induced me to take a chance. Instead I went with Hill AND Bernard for Cincy.

        That would have been an EPIC victory. 62-61.

        No problem this week. He’s Bye.

    • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

      right. but how many points did the guy you played in his place get?

      • AlbertInTucson

        That would be the same as the # of Bears’ wins this season.

  • The GP

    I give Shady 4 stars – minus one for not playing Allen Ball.

    I give Cheesy one star for max douche

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/peeple-yelp-humans-lets-review-article-1.2381575

  • TheBigCheesy

    Jeff, you don’t have to love Cutler in order to be a Cutler apologist.

    You spend a ton of time defending Jay Cutler, making excuses for Jay Cutler, and you go above and beyond to disparage his backups in a transparent effort to praise Cutler by contrast.

    That’s exactly what Cutler apologists do.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

      Don’t make me upvote you.

      • BerwynBomber

        Screw it. I upvoted him. Can’t say I disagree with Cheesy on his OP.

        At the same time I don’t know if I can get worked up about most Cutty debates any longer. He has looked good this year but he has also managed to remain Cutty … if that makes sense. Plus, I can’t imagine he will still be our starter by the time we are ready to contend again.

        Btw, caught some of Mariota on NFL replay yesterday. Liked what I saw. Kid is poised, doesn’t get rattled by hits or pressure, sees the field reasonably well and even had a nifty as hell ad-lib on their final drive. Threw his first picks of the year, one of which allowed Colts to tie the game but that sort of thing is expected with rookie QBs. His one noticeable limitation is the one I worried about when watching him in college: his arm strength is at best average. Still, it appears to be strong enough to be effective in the NFL.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

          I saw him make more than a few NFL throws. Like you said, poised. He has that Joe Flacco cool. Awareness in the pocket. Accurate. Like him more than Teddy already.
          Arm strength like you said is meh, but that can be schemed, and he can always work on that.
          Gotta see him throw more shots down field. If not, he’ll end up like Tannenhill, just a dink and dunk maven who can never quite reach the next level.

          • BerwynBomber

            Potential Tannenhill comparison is a fair point.

        • SC Dave

          Truth is truth

    • TheBigCheesy

      Calling oneself a realist is a little ridiculous, isn’t? Obviously you believe your perception of him is close to reality, otherwise it wouldn’t be your perception.

      I too think I have an accurate perception of Jay Cutler. I would also classify myself as a Cutler hater.

      (Even though honestly I fucking love him)

      • WP34

        “I would also classify myself as a Cutler hater”…with this above – u got to be a Bears fan dude – welcome (back) to the team.

        #6 is so disappointing to you that you have to hate him…trust me we get it

        when did u heart quit on the bears and you tried to go green.

        IDK, if any of this is true. just my BS. GO BEARS!

      • Pissed Off

        The only thing i really like about him is the i don’t give a fuck what you think attitude. I respect that shit. Plus he has a cannon and can be elusive in the pocket. But he just can’t get over being a turnover machine

        • BerwynBomber

          He is semi-elusive in the pocket. He is less quick/light on his feet than he is a good downhill/straight ahead runner.

      • SC Dave

        Fuck off. At least acknowledge the INSANE good luck your team has with Rodgers.

    • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

      i mean. can one really go above and beyond when it comes to disparaging James Clausen?

      • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

        or Caleb Hanie. Or Jason Campbell. Or…

        • TheBigCheesy

          ….or Josh McCown, who Jeff spent all of last year disparaging. He did it as an “I told you so” to all the people who were McCown over Cutler supporters at the end of 2013. Interestingly enough, McCown getting exposed in Cleveland didn’t do Cutler supporters any favors. The fact that the Bears got the same (actually they got better) production out of a shitty quarterback like mccown as they got from Cutler can only be an indictment of Cutler, can it not?

          • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

            That’s ridiculous. I watched everyone of McCown’s games when he was with the bears. His numbers were good, but in every game I saw at least two blatantly thrown balls right to an opponent who mysteriously drops the sure INT. Stats don’t tell the whole story. He got pretty lucky that year. That, I’m convinced, is why the bears let him walk. One year wonder. He should have bought a lottery ticket that year. Cutler>>>>>>>>>>>McCown.

            As infuriating as Cutler can be, he’s by far the best QB the bears have had since McMahon and there’s nobody better to bring in. He’s the best we have and the best we can get at this moment so we may as well embrace him. So sick of all the Cutler bashing.

          • Trac

            Nobody signs a backup like McCown for 5 mil except Lovie. They would have kept him at 2 mil.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            not really. McCown had a fluke 5-game performance against several of the worst defenses in the league. He played 2 average defenses-Baltimore and St. Louis-who both shut the offense down. He played 3 of the 5 worst defenses in the NFL that year-GB, MIN, and DAL-and only really lit up Dallas. He was atrocious against Minnesota, costing Chicago a win and a playoff spot.

        • BearDown100393

          Quinn, Krenzel, Mirer, Buris, Stewart, McNown, Miller…..

          • BerwynBomber

            Watch it there. We won with Miller. At least for a year.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            I was talking specifically about terrible Cutler backups.

          • BearDown100393

            Lol I was just trying my best to extend the time frame

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          my favorite was Todd Collins, most immobile QB in NFL History.

          • BerwynBomber

            Wait till this Penn State kid gets drafted. He’ll make Collins look like Mike Vick.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Who had his best game ever AGAINST the Bears for the ‘Skins in relief of another future Bear back-up, Jason Campbell.

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            he played in 2 games in 2010 and threw more INTs than completed passes, I believe.

      • TheBigCheesy

        Yes.

        One could say Jimmy Clausen is a backup quarterback in league where half of the starting quarterbacks are lousy. In other words, he sucks. And then one could just leave it at that.

        Or one could use 1/5 of his tweets for the past two weeks to say “Jimmy Clausen is awful/the worst/can’t play/ruining the city of chicago” for no reason other than to try and get others to appreciate Jay Cutler for simply “not being jimmy clausen.”

        Jeff honestly sounds like he’s angry at Clausen. If anything, he should be pissed off at Cutler for throwing that boomerang and chasing the DB down like a dumbass. Admittedly, Jeff did tweet that very sentiment after the pick was thrown. But this time, Cutler’s injury was pretty self-inflicted.

    • BillW

      The Cutler conversation is unlike anything I can recall in sports. After all these years it’s still polarizing – when Cutler is no more or less than he ever was in Denver.

      It’s that as Bear fans we wanted to believe he was a legitimate Pro Bowl QB candidate and it took too long to realize that was not true. Add to that the expectations that came from two GMs WAAAY overpaying for him (in trade and then in contract extension).

      Then you have the insecurity that comes from being a Bear fan during a pretty long stretch where our rivals dominated us with 2 HOF QBs.

      As someone said earlier, there really are only 2 truly great QBs playing this year. (Hint: Jimmy Clausen ain’t one of ’em). So the old line “The Bears need a QB” is really an ignorant statement in that it implies they are unique in that need – AND that the solution to the problem is obvious.

      The NFL has a real problem in that you need a great QB to contend realistically and there are very few of them. The solutions is NOT making the game even easier for QBs – all that does is make the dominant ones even more so.

      Time to give back to the defense AND the running game. There has to be other ways to win besides a QB putting up 100+ rating games every week.

      • Scharfinator

        Well put. Getting off of the bus running could still work, if you build your team properly.

      • Trac

        Out with the old, in with the new.

        Wait….I resemble that remark.

      • Pissed Off

        The rex Grossman era had a lot of speculation and expectations and ups and downs. Maybe not quite as much conroversey as Cutler but we had some high hopes. Rex was always hurt early in the season basically from his rookie year to 06 when he finally started a whole season and went to the sb. I think we always had hopes and some signs that he could be the guy but he couldn’t stay on the field. Then in 07 he started terribly and was benched early and never recovered or had a shot to finish developing becuase there was so much pressure to win now with all the other pieces. What’s weird about the Cutler situation is that it’s gone on for so long. We all should know what he is by now and what boggles me and keeps this going are those expecting some savior or for him to all of a sudden be clutch or be able to not throw picks at terrible times in big games and it just ain’t gonna change. He’s been doing it for 10 years or however long he’s been in the league

        • SC Dave

          Interesting comparison. Always wondered what it would have been without two season endong injuries for rex out of the blocks. One could argue he was better than culter given the TOTAL lack of skill players. Berrian vs Marshall. jones vs Forte. Who remembers vs uni and olsen.

          • SC Dave

            Of course, there was a defense too. 2006 > 2009. Tho not by a whole lot.
            But Hester >>> that whoever too

          • TheBigCheesy

            Dez Clark!!

          • Pissed Off

            Me too those few years he was always hurt out of the gate could have been his years to mature and then maybe he would have been polished enough to help us win a sb or 2.

      • SC Dave

        I knew he was not a pro bowler when we got him. And i bet people at the time that orton would be in the pb before Cutler. Why? Ron Turdner

  • The GP

    IN the new Dallas Cowboys lounge at DFW airport, there is a giant picture of Randy White sacking Vince Evans. You can see Evans grimace in giant, stellar, resolution at the wall size.

    Evans was the Randall Cunningham of the 70s.

    • BillW

      I always thought of Vince Evans as the first black quarterback that was rarely described as a black quarterback, but just as a quarterback.

      • The GP

        I sort of felt that way about Doug Flutie.

    • Trac

      Vince Evans was false.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Evans had some moments for the Bears…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSavOoR2YtM

  • AlbertInTucson

    Trestman being criticized in Baltimore for calling so many pass plays.

    What did John Harbaugh not see when the guy was calling plays for the Bears?

    • BerwynBomber

      Odd thing is if you had asked me who is the second best HC in the league (prior to this season) I would not have hesitated to say John Harbaugh (though I realize some would argue for Carroll).

      Beyond the Trestman factor, the other thing that has really hurt BALT’s offense is that they no longer have T. Smith or J. Jones. The one thing that Flacco does exceptionally well is throw the deep ball yet now they have no receivers who can get deep.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      one big difference, Trestman is not in charge in Baltimore. My guess is if Harbaugh wants the run/pass ratio changed it will get changed real quick. Kind of apparent in tonight’s game, more of a 50/50 split might have actually run it more i have not looked at the breakdown.

  • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

    10 dead and over 20 wounded at community college shooting in Oregon. I thought I was picking a safe career. Fuck Me.

    • Trac

      It was a gun free zone campus too.

      • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

        I’m sure: “I think I’ll go waste a bunch of people today with my A.K.. Oh wait, it’s a gun free zone. I better not”

        Like that matters.

        • Trac

          I wouldn’t go to a gun free college if I were a student. Just wouldn’t. Does anyone know why the guy did it yet?

          Concealed carry is my preference.

        • Trac

          I don’t get the sarcasm. My opinion is that he knew it would be an easier target.

          • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

            My bad, Trac. I missed your point but understand now what you meant.

          • Trac

            People’s are crayzee.

      • Pissed Off

        Yeah at my college they actually encouraged us to bring guns like so many others across the nation

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

      I seriously wonder if these type of killing sprees are due to the advent of the 24hr news cycle?

      Some guy (yes, usually male, usually white) is down and out, has a guns and ammo magazine lying around, says, fuck it, I’m going down in a blaze of glory; picks a date, time, location, and sprays away knowing he’ll get his 15 mins of fame.

      Maybe the news should stop covering such tragedies (at least on the tv?) Maybe put it in the newspaper, and have local coverage, but not the 30 tv vans covering it and allocating a whole week to it.

      Dunno. These tragedies are News gold, so I doubt that’ll ever happen.

    • MB30SD

      RIP to those killed

      Train and arm our teachers/professors.

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

        Trust me, you DON’T want that.

      • BerwynBomber

        Inane

        • MB30SD

          Oh well. Thank you.

          Care to elaborate… as eloquent as that was.

          • BerwynBomber

            Sure, expecting teachers and profs to become firearms experts is inane. The whole NRA-approved and scripted “good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun” is, beyond the law enforcement element, largely a Hollywood fantasy. And even with law enforcement it is often a matter of numbers and superior firepower.

            In short, the answer is not more armed civilians even if that is Wayne LaPierre’s ultimate goal. The answer is LESS armed civilians, like this nut job in OR today.

          • Trac

            Tell that to the cast of the walking dead.

          • SC Dave

            Wrong.

          • MB30SD

            Sure, so you know, good luck with all that. This is ‘Murica and we’re talking reality here.

            It’s not going to stop all killings, but would I rather have my babies teacher trained and armed when that guy kicks the door in, than have her cowering under the desk waiting to be executed… after my babies.

            She may not get it done, but I’d much rather give her the opty to try than the other option.

            You must not have kids in school. (or kids.)

          • BerwynBomber

            Really? You’re pulling the “you must not have kids” vomit when you don’t know me? You think everyone who has kids agrees with you?

            Grow the Fuck up. And stop being so presumptuous. You may just find people have different views than yours. Making shit personal like that via an assumption about a person on the internet is lame as hell.

          • MB30SD

            Fuuuuck you.

            Maybe you shouldn’t have started out by calling mine inane then… your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

            And stop being such a sensitive bitch.

      • SC Dave

        Better yet, stop giving student loans to any piece of shit that applies

  • WP34

    I’m dreaming…
    Fales comes off the bench to be a poised qb and lead us to victory, or

    #6 coming off the bench… like Jimmy mac did in the rollerdome. 1st pass to #83 gault TD! I recall we were down big and pulled out the W.

    Dreams change week to week, these are some random dreams for the Beloved this weekend.

    • AlbertInTucson

      That was a Thursday night game

      Defense was flat.

      Offense was turgid.

      The Bears looked ready to be beaten.

      McMahon had to BEG Ditka to let him play.

      Trademark block by Walter to allow the pass to be thrown.

      • BerwynBomber

        Trademark? Flattened the guy. Greatest all-around non-QB player I ever saw. Walter Payton.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Yes, Trademark. When Walter blocked you, STAYED blocked. That was his trademark.

  • RenoBear

    Hahahahaha Marc Trestman is the WORST coach and now offensive coordinator EVER. My goodness the Ravens offense brings back horrid memories

    • The GP

      Joe Flacco’s FF total going into half: -1

      • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

        -2

  • wreckinball

    Vick an actual backup QB

    • BerwynBomber

      Not a huge surprise. Vick was FAR more accomplished than Clausen ever was. In fact, Vick is pretty much as accomplished as Cutler is. Cutler was more consistent but Vick had the higher ceiling years.

      • wreckinball

        Good personnel decisions that’s why Steelers are successful and why the Bears suck

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

      Still only has 75 yard passing, no TDs , and that’s WITH Brown and Bell making plays.
      He’s fine as long as they play ahead. When they fall behind and ask him to actually throw, that’s when he becomes diabetes Cutler.

  • wreckinball

    A Trestman offense what was Harbaugh thinking

  • wreckinball

    Start Fales but I have to call WTF Bears could have had Vick

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

      Steelers are contending for a SB. We are not.
      When we were, we treated the 2nd QB seriously. Orton, Campbell, McCown.

      Plus, not sure “serious” backups would want to come to Bears. They tend to pick and choose where they wanna. What’s best for them at this point in their careers, and it ain’t the Bears.

      • wreckinball

        Some truth in what you’re saying but there was better than Clausen
        Lazy complacent decision

        • BerwynBomber

          Agree with both of you. 4ever’s point is well taken but, like you, I didn’t quite understand the resigning of Clausen, even though I thought he did an adequate job in the second DET game last year.

          Then again, I was hoping Cutty would have been moved, and we would move forward with a bridge guy and a draft pick.

          But yeah, let’s look at Fales if nothing else. Just on the off chance …

          • wreckinball

            Cutler is immovable because of his contract He’s played better this year but just enough to be middle of the pack not great
            He’s making superstar $$s
            I think we’re stuck with him next year

          • BerwynBomber

            Of course. My take too. But someone might take him next year. He’ll only be a one-year rental.

    • Pissed Off

      I would rather have Claussen

  • BerwynBomber

    We sometimes take Robbie Gould for granted. If PIT had him they already be in the lockerroom with another W in the column.

  • wreckinball

    Scobee ?
    He was good no more

  • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

    haha. And that’s why Vick is a backup. Brown wide open. High throw. Turnover on downs.

    • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

      Ravens march down. FG. Win.
      That’s the difference between a true franchise QB and Vick.

      And having an actual kicker. Tucker on my FF team. Mensch

      • BerwynBomber

        Tucker is arguably the best kicker in the league. Reminds me of Robbie in his prime — can thrive in inclement weather — but with a little more leg.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

          Yeah, he’s gold. And I remember that 61 yarder too. Heinz might be harder to kick in than Soldier. The winds swirl.

          • BerwynBomber

            Exactly. Vinaterri was like that too.

        • wreckinball

          Tucker is great but Tomlin should have let Scobee kick it was a 50

          • AlbertInTucson

            2 misses and 50 yards with the breeze in his face.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yes. I’ve questioned Tomlin’s game decisions before — he had a habit of chasing points way too early — but I can’t fault him for forgoing the kick. Scobee was not to be trusted beyond 35 yards.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice” and I don’t give you the opportunity to fool me again in O.T. from 50 into the wind.

            I don’t call into question his not trying the placekick, but Tomlin IS open to criticism for not using Levian Bell on either 4th down attempt.

            No to mention, running Michael Vick is just BEGGING to find out how your #3 QB will look as your starter.

          • Pissed Off

            Still have to give him a shot, the distance wasn’t an issue, getting it between the pipes was. They lose the game anyway. Scobee has a good shot to make that it’s just no one had confidence in him. I wish he would have went up to Tomlin and just said “I got this”

          • AlbertInTucson

            50 into the wind coming off 2 hook shots does not impress me as ” a good shot.”

          • Pissed Off

            Ok good shot is strong but he has a chance to make it scobee has hit a few clutch fgs in his day he just didn’t have it thurs night

      • AlbertInTucson

        My kicker, too. 12 point night, 11 in the 2nd half !

      • Waffle

        Flacco had a terrible drive killing pick and a brutal fumble ensuring a loss. Steelers botch game multiple ways and Flacco is elite. I can’t get behind that. Team Game.

        • http://t.co/MsJnMxjrmd 4ever85! (AKA, ButchDeadLift)

          So you would take Cutty over Flacco?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Every time brother.

            I have Antonio Brown on twenty million teams. Now I have to seriously consider trading him (then quickly picking up Martavis everywhere off waivers).

          • BerwynBomber

            Crazy.

          • Pissed Off

            1000% no

          • Waffle

            see you’re looking at Cutler with 2009-2015 Bears vs Flacco on a completely different team.
            It would be impossible to know what Flacco would do on the 2009-2015 Bears and Cutler on the Ravens.
            I only know what kind of supporting cast and coaching we’ve had while Jay has been quarterback. Flacco had a completely different experience in Baltimore.
            If Jay throws a huge pick and a fumble we lose by 21. Ravens…….win in OT and ran the ball up Pitt’s ass. I’ll take Cutler because there is nothing to support that Flacco would do any better.

    • wreckinball

      Still 1000% better than Clausen
      Everything is relative

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