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Jeff & Jahns: Sun-Times Beat Discusses the First Week of Bears Training Camp [AUDIO]

| August 6th, 2015

On this episode of Jeff & Jahns, the Sun-Times beat writer tells me that…

    • Shea McClellin has been handed the reins of Vic Fangio’s┬ádefense (and I laugh)
    • He believes Jay Cutler’s lack of interceptions thus far is newsworthy
    • Marquess Wilson is still out there making too many mental errors to expect major impact
    • Pernell McPhee and Marc Mariani are the players jumping off the field (Mariani at wideout)
    • Jordan Mills still looks to be the weak link on the offensive side of the ball
    • Much, much more!

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  • Is there some way to turn the volume up on Sound Cloud? I can’t hear it and my computer volume is maxed out.

    • Joecashflow

      I listened without soundcloud. Don’t want to sign up for any more Web sites.

      • I listened on here too, but it’s still run through Sound Cloud, I believe. Either way, I ended up being able to hear fine if I used headphones.

    • AlbertInTucson

      No issues here. They each WERE panned to opposite stereo channels.

  • Mid-field Mariani? Cutty Rodgers? Shea Urlacher…welcome to training camp.

    • BerwynBomber

      Interestingly enough, Rodgers has thrown five INTs in six practices and often throws a lot of INTs in practice in order to test his receivers and determine how close they can cut things when the games matter. Explained in the following article:

      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-aaron-rodgers-throws-ton-212028397.html

      • Did not know that. Makes sense.
        Then again, if you’re as efficient as Vadgers, you can kinda get away with anything.

        Only guy I know who was as efficient as him was Steve Young. In many ways, he reminds me of him.

        Peyton and Romo are also highly efficient. Just happen to be chokers.

        • BerwynBomber

          The Deflator’s pretty efficient too. I believe he generally finishes second to Rodgers in the TD/INT ratio category.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Big Ben too. He’ll have another monster year that will be widely glossed over.

      • Joecashflow

        That’s a damn scary article. If I am the other NFCN coaches, I am more depressed that I was before just thinking about that. I guess that Bears 42, Pack 0 at halftime just got even harder to visualize. Hate the pack, but admire AR. I really want to see a D that can frustrate that guy.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Per NFL Radio: Kevin White may start the season on the PUP List.

    • Pace said White will start light running next week. I read that as he’s going to test it. If it goes well, he’ll ramp it up and play by the 3rd or 4th preseason game. If it doesn’t go well (aka his shins hurt), it will be rested for a while, and then probably one last test right before the season to determine PUP or not.

      Just my $0.02.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Just regurgitating what I heard in the car on my way to lunch. Lunch, BTW, with a fellow Bears fan of 50+ seasons.

    • Waffle

      The rise of Josh Bellamy? Maybe we can bring back Chris Summers. According to Irish he was the next Megatron. Anyone heard from DA?

      • AlbertInTucson

        Joe Anderson?

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        i wander if Sam ‘8 ball’ Hurd can get some weekend passes from prison to play

      • Terrance Tolliver is currently tearing up the CFL. Bring him back!

      • Wilson IS the next Bellamy, Summers, Smoking Joe Anderson.

        I think part of the reason the Bears aren’t in any hurry to rush White back is because they’ve liked what Royal, White and Alshon are doing (behind them, it’s more special teams).

        Another possible benefit of starting White on PUP? Well, he was always a raw project, so this eases him in (it’s not as if we’re in win now mode). Plus, maybe open up a roster spot at another position of need (Defense). I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bears only ride with 4 WRs.

        Maybe more double TE sets (hence them sniffing around for an extra one) if Miller survives to the reg season.

        • SC Dave

          So this. All the talking about Wilson. He IS the next DA

          • Irish Sweetness

            Shabba caught a beaut TD against the Vikes. Wilson will never know what that’s like.

          • Joecashflow

            Great minds….

          • Joecashflow

            Except DA had a glorious TD. I don’t think Wilson has scored?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Eddie Royal becomes our de facto #1. Martellus, then Matty. Wilon never was, and never will be a factor. We’ll be fine with the running game and the targets we have.

        • Waffle

          haha, what about Alshon? is he not making the squad this year?

          • willbest

            Shoulder injury ATM.

  • SC Dave

    Go ahead and laugh about Shea, Jeff. We all know you are a better defensive coordinator than Vic Fangio.

    • Trac

      Something happened to Jeff. He’s kinda turned into a puss.

      • Trac

        To answer my own question, Jeff’s still pouting because the Bears didn’t read his piece on cutting chicken dinner and comply. I totally get his dismay now. Hee hee.

    • Waffle

      I don’t really believe it’s going to work, partly because of the D line not being what Urlacher had, but I would find it truly hysterical if Shea turned into some badass ILB and people started wearing his jersey……

      • SC Dave

        Hilarious? I think it would be awesome!

    • Joecashflow

      Maybe I’m wrong but great players shine no matter where you play them. I don’t think Shea will, all of a sudden become an even good LB. Never seen him really sting anybody, including the shot on AR. He just fell on him.

      • Trac

        And he doesn’t have a great football name. He he

      • AlbertInTucson

        Urlacher didn’t really shine until they moved him inside, did he?

  • SC Dave

    “You throw in Alshon Jeffery, Martellus Bennett, Matt Forte and our offensive line; I just felt the time was now [for the Bears to win]. They got rid of Brian Urlacher and didn’t re-sign Brian Urlacher, and they start allocating most of the funds to the offensive side: That is a sign for me it is on us to lead the way. I felt like we didn’t do that.” – Brandon Marshall

    I cannot disagree.

    • BearDown100393

      If Jets fans had a collective brain, they’d be worried about their WR obsessively opining over his old team.

      • Trac

        Once the season starts, that all goes away.

        • Big Mike

          Oy.. He just needs to play ball. Good luck to you Brandon, but quit being a biotch

          • AlbertInTucson

            True, Big Mike, but the guy really cannot help himself.

            There are no drugs to help one deal with Borderline Personality Disorder.

            He’s not taking anything to help him control things.

            It’s all mental exercises and relaxation techniques.

            Being traded is stressful and stress REALLY exacerbates psychological disorders.

            Let’s suppose, for the sake of argument, that you are Bi-Polar.

            You start to go a bit manic or maybe slip towards a major depressive episode.. Often,the Doc can adjust your medication(s) to compensate and reel you back onto an even keel..

            There are no meds to adjust for Brandon which is a shame because I think there’s a really great human being saddled with that BPD.

            Disclaimer: I’m not a Psychiatrist, I just play one on this Blog.

          • Big Mike

            Albert, I know bipolar quite well. It’s different the BPD. Medicine and therapy do work to control bi-polar. Brandon’s talk about Jay isn’t a symptom of mental illness or Borderline Personality Disorder. It’s a symptom of him being a prima dona.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I disagree. I think it IS a symptom of his condition.

          • Big Mike

            His mouth only gets him in trouble when things don’t go his way. He’s always, always talking. When things are going well he focuses on his advocacy for mental health issues. When the losses piled up and he stopped catching as many balls he got bitchy. The need for attention was constant. Not triggered by a manic/depressive cycling. But who knows. 1/2 the WRs in the league act that way. I have a great deal of respect for what he is dealing with. His first year with the Bears I could not have been more impressed with his interviews, the speeches he gave both football and non-football related. The trash that came up his 2nd year was surprising.

      • Joecashflow

        I think his motive is TV job in 3 years. So he will keep the chatter up, both on and off the field.

        • BearDown100393

          I already thought he had the job locked up over at Oxygen Network?

          • Joecashflow

            He does some Monday work now. I was talking about I think he has his eyes set on being a full time network guy when he retires. So I think he loves the camera and we will see him flapping all season, especially in Prime Time City. Fine with that. Usually he has something intelligent to contribute.

          • BearDown100393

            I prefer he talks more of himself instead of other players while still playing in the NFL. IMO, it is a matter of professionalism and establishing trust with your co-workers. I think (and again only expressing a personal belief) that is a huge reason why he was traded to NY.

          • Joecashflow

            Agree with that, once they get down to business. But he did offer some insight into the usually locked down Bears locker room that went thru meltdown last year. BM seems like an intelligent guy, that mostly has his head on straight. He can be a leader when things are going well and maybe a disrupter when they arent. I don’t disagree with him trying to be accountable. Maybe trying to make Cutler accountable should have been the coaches job, but we know they didn’t, so he tried. Don’t think the coaches will have a problem making players accountable this year. So I don’t think a lot of blame for locker room lack of chemistry was his problem, it was coaches, GM. He ended up the fall guy. I expect BM to have a very good year.

  • The Oline is beginning to kinda worry me, esp Mills.

    Bushrod didn’t exactly end on a high-note. Slausen is returning from an INJ. Montgomery/Grassu – WTF knows? Long. Lock. Mills – INJ, sucks?

    I keep hearing from camp that the D is owning that Oline, and it’s not as if it’s the 85 squad out there.

    Hopefully, they’re just working out the kinks, but that was one of my questions coming in – is the new Oline coach and Gase’s philo worth a shit? (sans Peyton)

    I think Data wrote a few articles on it (Data, if you please…)

    • I think the Bears have one of the best G duos in the NFL and competent players at C and LT. RT is… frightening.

      As to past articles, I did these:

      Look at how Magazu’s lines have performed http://dabearsbeat.com/2015/05/28/breaking-down-dave-magazus-history-the-numbers/

      Look at how Magazu has developed young players under his care http://dabearsbeat.com/2015/05/29/breaking-down-dave-magazus-history-personnel-and-development/

      Long story short: sans the Peyton years, his lines have generally been roughly average in pass protection and slightly above average in run blocking. The one thing they seem to be consistently good at is springing RBs for mid-level gains.

    • Scharfinator

      I think Mills injury is more serious than anyone has let on. It has lingered way too long. I’m afraid he is done.

      • willbest

        I thought I read somewhere that its the type of injury that will nag somebody their entire career.

    • Artoo

      Montgomery is looking good and he’s helping Long out a lot.

      Mills and Bushrod are the big question marks because they need to play well in this new offense because it will need time to get adjust and mesh

      • Irish Sweetness

        Montgomery?? Where’s my boy Grassu ?

        • If Garza has taught us anything, it’s that smarts for a C counts big time.
          Garza was physically done like 5 years ago, but his vet savvy improved that line (as long as the Dline didn’t run him over).

          Besides, there’s always injuries on the Oline. Sooner or later, Grassu will crack the lineup, prolly at OG first.

          • Trac

            The only thing that Garza taught me was that he was in the right place at the right time. Not sure if he would have started at center on more than a very few NFL teams.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Long to RT, Tayo to RG – this is nirvana.

    • Joecashflow

      It’s gotta help Cutler to practice against a 3-4. That alone should help cut down his INT’s, improve audibles. If I see any first and 15 on opening Monday, I am going to puke.

  • Trac

    Marquess Wilson questions? The guy ain’t done squat for how many years now?

    Gotta be positive my friend! Indeed Jeff, you need to rub some dirt on it pal. Looking in the past won’t help anyone.

    Bring on the Chicken Dinner! Lord help us but do the Bears really have any choice?

    • Scharfinator

      As long as he brings up his average of broken Rodger’s collarbones, he can play.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’ve been waiting for this guy to get a shot at Mike for years now – let’s see what he’s got.

      • Trac

        I would have preferred Mosley. I’m not one to look a gift first in the mouth should he pan out though. We can hope right?

        • DaMurph

          You and me both

          • Trac

            I think you me and Big Mike were the only ones.

          • A lot of da blog wanted Chandler Jones, or Mercilus Or a safety or Mosley (ideally thru trade down).

            I don’t think i recall even ONE reg bringing up Shea. By most mocks, he wasn’t even a first rounder. PFW had him as a 4rth RD talent

            Then again,.if Shea excels at his natural position w real coaching, it somewhat softens the blow

          • SC Dave

            Gotta count me too, Trac

      • Joecashflow

        Let’s see how long he lasts as starter.

        • SC Dave

          Hopefully, he’ll surprise us all. Especially the skeptics.

  • Artoo

    Laugh all you want but the coaching staff seems to like Shea so far. It is training camp, remember the Hester love at wide receiver every year?

    Long’s BFF is Mills. I’m sure Mills will still have a chance to prove his worth.

    Kind of sad that Wilson isn’t taking the necessary steps to help his team and secure a spot on the roster. However, I’m very glad we have Jeffrey and Royal. I do wish White could make an impact right off the bat but that’s not happening.

    Cutler has had many training camps where he doesn’t throw interceptions. Right now, the team is doing a great job on learning the odfen but we will see how they play come game time.

    Remember, Bennett and even Marshall were off on a few plays with Cutler. Expect that to happen a lot more this season.

    • Big Mike

      Different regime. These guys have no stake in what’s already here.

      • SC Dave

        To me, that makes the Shea thing even more encouraging. But every team is a contender during camp.

    • AlbertInTucson

      What are their options? Don’t they HAVE to “like” him, at this point?

  • To be fair about Shea with Marinelli/Lovie not seeing him as a MLB, the ILB responsibilities in Fangio’s defense vs. the cover 2 they ran at the time are vastly different.
    They did try to force Shea to play where he didn’t belong (4-3 DE), but I still wonder how much of that pick was Emery forcing his guy on them, because Emery has been talking about the type of defense Chicago is going to run this year since he showed up in 2012.

    • Irish Sweetness

      They drafted Urlacher’s replacement in Shea. They just didn’t know it.

      • I don’t think Shea would have done well as a MLB in the Cover 2. He doesn’t have that coverage ability like Urlacher did as a converted S.

        • SC Dave

          Urlacher was a freak. And i mean that in the nicest way.

  • Sactowns#1

    So I know we have a lot of reservations and some tempered expectations for the upcoming season but living over here with all these damn Niner fans has made me thankful to be a Bears faithful. These guys are already pretty down and they just keep getting kicked. http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article30394158.html

    • beninnorcal

      I’ve been saying this to my friends all offseason. They’re a dumpster fire.

      • Sactowns#1

        It’s like a car accident in slow motion. I keep waiting to see the next brutal blow.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Maybe Harbaugh looked around and said “I give up. I can’t take these low-lifes anymore.”

      • AlbertInTucson

        Not to mention having to work for Jed York.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Looks like the penny is finally dropping for Shea.

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/McClellin-shining-at-inside-linebacker/4e60a064-4db3-4a7c-b48c-6be49fac4c39

    Alshon hurt his shoulder – maybe Eddie Royal is the surprise fantasy package in week one?

    • Joecashflow

      It’s almost pre season. I’ll be amazed if Chicken Dinner is a starter in Wk2 regular season.

      • Trac

        Wouldn’t it be magnificent old chap?

  • Irish Sweetness

    Coach Fox reached out to Urlacher and he’s been to practice. That’s classy.

    http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Camp_Report_Offensive_direction/003c3616-640f-489f-a6c4-4ea789976044

    • Waffle

      Great, maybe he can talk shit about the starting QB as the Bears recover from the most dysfunctional locker room in recent memory.

      • Didn’t Lach essentially call Jay a pussy?

        That should be interesting.

        • Waffle

          The Bears need to fully purge themselves of the remnants of Lovie’s teams that were/are bitter about the fact that it ended. If you’re not on board the train get the fuck out of the way.
          Why bring Urlacher around right now? It’s a slap in the face to Cutler and serves no purpose. Why couldn’t this wait a year or two?

          • Trac

            It’s an opportunity to kiss and make up yonny.

          • Waffle

            Urlacher kissing and making up with Cutler? Brian doesn’t feel he did anything wrong because he’s a white trash punk. The Bears don’t need him around and it’s a slap.

          • Trac

            Wow, I didn’t know you had such strong feelings on the matter. Never mind. Hahaha

          • Waffle

            i love Urlacher as a player. He served no purpose as an “analyst”, talked shit about Cutler and has been super bitter about how his career ended and now is sitting around camp with Olin and Jim “self proclaimed qb guru” Miller.
            It’s just useless right now.

          • Trac

            They’ll work it out.

          • Big Mike

            I think Urlacher’s comments about Cutler were overblown. Because Cutler is a lighting rod. Nothing he said was horrible. It just wasn’t the typical air-brushed answer you get about teammates.

          • SC Dave

            Actually, BU didn’t do anything wrong. Only Cutler-as-hero glasses would color that picture any differently.

          • BerwynBomber

            How dare Lach criticize an all-time Bear like Cutty, eh?

            In terms of the Lovie holdover bitterness, that was about the last regime, specifically PE and Trestman. Pox is a clean slate.

          • Waffle

            but why take a clean slate and introduce an element at this exact point in time that would be fucking weird considering the recent history of the guy and his comments…

            The timing of it is my issue.

          • Joecashflow

            Uh, who has more respect in the Bears Organization, Jay or Lach? Lach earned a free pass whenever he wants it. It was Lach defending Jay Boy for riding his bicycle in the NFL championship game. Then it was sounds of silence from Jay when Lach felt he was dissed in contract negotiations that ended up his being not resigned. Jay never contacted him after that. That’s low.

          • Waffle

            not my point at all. Lach is an all time Bear and everyone knows it. My point is that parading all these guys around camp serves no purpose right now especially Urlacher. Watch how Kreutz has handled himself in interviews over the last couple of years and compare it to Urlacher and you’ll know what i mean.

            Shit, why not have a picnic with Melton, Lach, Briggs, and any other Lovie holdover that was pissed at their time with the Bears ending and have them just hover over practices like disapproving older brothers…

          • AlbertInTucson

            Urlacher was not “dissed”.

            The Bears’ offer was a gift because he was clearly done as demonstrated by the veritable plethora of other offers he did NOT get.

          • Big Mike

            No, quite the opposite. Welcoming Urlacher is exactly what needs to happen. (Stan Mikita, Bobby Hull, Esposito) were all welcomed back by Rocky Wirtz. It’s good for the fans. It’s good for the players to have a HOF influence.

          • Waffle

            not right now they dont

  • Waffle

    haha, gotta love Cutty:

    Kids today: Cutler is only 32, but he sounded a lot older when asked about dealing with younger teammates, some of whom are only 22 or 23.

    “It’s tough,” Cutler said. “I think kids have changed a lot since whenever I came in [the NFL] in 2006. It’s a different animal. These kids with their phones and all the social media, everything that they do. They were telling me that they play video games now and they have another screen where people watch them play video games. I was like, ‘I don’t understand that. They just watch you play the video game?’ They’re like, ‘Yeah, it’s awesome.’ I don’t know anything about this.

    “So you kind of have to get in their world a little bit and get to know them. If you’ve got to play a few video games with them while people watch them on the Internet, that’s what you’ve got to do.”

    • willbest

      I don’t know about watching some random people on the internet, but the StarCraft II world championships are far and away more interesting than golf, baseball, or pretty much any woman’s sport. Not that I go out of my way to watch any of it. Or really any sport that isn’t in their playoffs. That is why I like football, at 16 games needing 11 to guarantee and 10 to have a decent shot it starts in playoff mode.

      • my brother watches League of Legends and is always talking about it. Apparently they have a pro circuit and stuff.

    • Joecashflow

      Yeah, you know when he is doing his media thing, he is smooth and on,smiling, laughing this year. Can’t figure out how that translates into this stone face on the field. Hope that changes a little this year. Won’t expect a P. Rivers out there.

      • Waffle

        Hes a good guy but knows when people are setting him up or asking bullshit questions. Hes been fine since 2011 with the media but people wont let it go

      • willbest

        Maybe that is just what he needs to do to be as mentally focused as possible on the field? If he were say in a court of law, and just got smacked down by a judge on a ruling you wouldn’t think anything of stone face. In fact, if he went back to his table and started shouting down the paralegal for not briefing a particular point of law you would think he was unhinged.

        • Joecashflow

          This has been rehashed a million times so here goes again. I could buy that “focused” if I saw him engaged somehow as a leader, otherwise. He stands back from the rest before each huddle. Yes, I know he is getting an ear full of play calling. But when you go to the games and watch him, he is not engaged with team mates. Not pumping them up. Not in leadership ways, in my book. Example: rIding the bike in NFC championship. Not fist pumping on the sidelines. Not helping the fill in QB.,All I can say is, Jay reads too. He knows what his critics say. I have heard him say he did things he wouldn’t do now that he is older. So who knows what this season will bring. The Bears have way under-performed and he is a big part of that as a leader and QB.

  • Aldon Smith released! Any takers?! lol

    • Artoo

      No. He has failed so many times.

      • haha, yeah, we used our Get Out of Jail Free Card on McDonald (almost literally).

        And on that note, WTH is going on in SF?

        • Artoo

          A slow train wreck from great to mediocre

    • BearDown100393

      Depends. A. Will his mother vouch for him? B. Will he buy his own airfare to Chicago? C. Is Vic salivating?

      • Joecashflow

        Vic is definitely salivating but he already used his get otta jail free card here. Now if he is a head coach next year, Aldon will follow.

    • Sactowns#1

      From what I hear it was due to a love triangle involving some D grade star that both he and Kap are dating and it sounds like neither are happy about it. So he keyed Kaps car and then sped off bumping into the neighbors car on his way. Perhaps getting him away from the toxicity on the team will be a new start. Maybe not. Who knows.

      • I’m not sure which is worse. Dating a teammate’s girl, or keying his car.
        Both are against the Bro Code.

        • Johnnywad

          Yeah. Those are two douche bag moves. And what the hell is with a dude that kicks ass for a living, keying a car? I thought that was reserved for crazy women and sniveling, helpless little weasels.

          • Aldon was probably in a weird situation. He can most likely whoop Kap’s ass, but his the franchise QB, poster boy of the town, the hope of all his teammates (not to mention if he really fucked him up, he’d get sued and banned for life).

            It’s almost like wanting to kick someone’s ass who out-ranks you.

            If it is true, there’s a reason the 9ers are all “supportive” of Aldon. They don’t want him to air their dirty laundry.

          • BearDown100393

            Kaepernick’s career options: A. Crash and burn, get cut. Make less dough. B. Get destroyed by a teammate. Retire and keep the cash.

        • Trac

          You know what else is against the bro code? Dating a friends ex. Truly detestable when that happens.

          • willbest

            Why is dating a friend’s ex detestable? Did she roflstomp his heart?

          • Trac

            It’s part of the code my man. Hahaha

    • Trac

      Dude, don’t grill my vibe!

    • Aldon had 33 sacks in his first two seasons (and I don’t think he even played full time).

      To put that in perspective, JJ Watt the last two years has 31.

      What a waste of talent. If Aldon can keep clean for an entire year, maybe next year? With his old DC, away from his old hang-outs, team (which is important for an alcoholic).

      Though perhaps he’s too cray cray.

      • he has issues dating back to college that have never been fixed. IMO he needs some time away from football to get his life in gear. If he can stay out of trouble until next offseason, maybe somebody will take a flyer on him. Maybe that will be Pace, depends on what happens with Allen, Young, Houston, and Acho.

        • BerwynBomber

          I would be surprised if it were the Bears. After the McDonald signing, I can’t see McCaskey going near someone with such obvious red flags for another few years.

          • Johnnywad

            Agreed Bomber. McDonald was likely a fork in the road for Pace.

        • Joecashflow

          Pace will not touch him. You’re dreaming there.

        • Trac

          I’ll bet your bippy that time away from football will not be kind to this dude. The rails have been greased, watch.

      • AlbertInTucson

        He’s added himself to RADIOACTIVE PLAYERS list.

    • Joecashflow

      Too good to not play next yesr. He will get another chance.

  • BearDown100393

    Props to Vic Fangio. He addressed the McDonald situation, his role in it and shouldered his share of responsibility. Shows character. Everything that wasn’t evident with last season’s coaching staff. http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/13394901/defensive-coordinator-vic-fangio-takes-blame-chicago-bears-signing-ray-mcdonald

    • Trac

      Old news is sometimes best forgotten.

    • BerwynBomber

      Except the part where he said he didn’t regret being a character witness for the guy. Oh well …

      • willbest

        Curious. If you make a decision, based on the best available information you have at the time, why would you regret that decision?

        • Trac

          It’s a mistake to vouch for anyone’s character but your own. The closest I come to vouching for anyone is when I say, “he seems like a nice guy”.

          • You never gave a recommendation?

          • Trac

            I never said that.

          • willbest

            Any time you hire somebody you are vouching for them. Does that mean its a mistake to hire people?

          • Trac

            That’s different. You make a judgement. Hiring people is a hit or miss situation. I’m talking about telling someone to trust a person who has not shown they can be trusted.

  • Trac

    Sounds like a cool field trip in the making. Beware the Vikings this year?

    http://m.startribune.com/sports/vikings/321108371.html

  • RenoBear

    So Gould missed HALF of his 12 FG’s between 30-55 yards… Does not bode well for the new 33 yd extra points. Or close games. I’ve heard he’s struggled in general in this year’s training camp. I know it’s just practice, but here’s hoping he doesn’t turn into a head case like the kaeding guy from SD.

    • Waffle

      Gould may be at the end. He had a badass run but not everyone is Adam Vinateri

    • I’m sorta hoping they get rid of him. I know he was on pace for being one of the NFLs most accurate kickers, but he seems to have lost his mojo. I suppose we’ll find out soon enough. One thing coaches act quickly on is missed easy FGs.

      Nothing gets a coach more pissed.

      • willbest

        He got his 9 million guarantee and stopped giving a @#$@. They are stuck with him another 2 years.

    • BearDown100393

      Trestman screwed him up also. More collateral damage.

      • willbest

        Either that or he was butthurt over Mannelly retiring.

        • SC Dave

          I wouldn’t call it “butt-hurt”. You lose your snapper and your holder; two-thirds of gone after several years working to perfect an essentially three-man craft. To expect it all to work as well first season thereafter is just plain stupid.

          • BearDown100393

            Looks simple I suppose until one actually has to do that long snap in a game situation. Trestman never seemed to really understand (or prepared?) when to call for the FG.

      • Trac

        No he didn’t. It was George W ‘ s fault. Hee hee.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Some of those misses loomed pretty large, too.

      • Trac

        He’s been hit and miss lately. Not good as gold any more.

  • BearDown100393

    Does any other city track completions in a scrimmage/show for the fans? LOL. http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4699330/jay-cutler-goes-1-for-5-in-bears-live-scrimmage

    • Trac

      When you have a city like Chicago that’s forgotten what a winning football team feels like then yes, they track completions in scrimmages.

  • Predict Pic Six

    Thanks
    Good to hear about almost real football again.
    Thanks

  • AlbertInTucson
    • Trac

      They all go eventually. Just another reminder I’m not getting any younger.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Yup THAT”S just what I wanted hear.

        • Trac

          Hahahaha. Sucks doesn’t it?

          • AlbertInTucson

            That’s for damn sure.

        • SC Dave

          Getting older sure beats the alternative.

    • BearDown100393

      Rest in peace Mr. Gifford.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Before his long run on MNF and before the advent of the Brent Musberger, Irv Cross, Phyllis George and Jimmy “The Greek” Snyder era, Frank Gifford was the first host of THE NFL TODAY on CBS. First in a 15 minute format and then 30 minutes before he moved to ABC. It consisted mostly of highlights from the previous week and is the first NFL pregame show that I watched.

    • AlbertInTucson

      In a key game between the Giants and Eagles in 1960, Chuck Bednarik delivered one of the most famous hits in NFL history…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1EHius5Y88

      Giant’s MLB, Sam Huff wasn’t kidding when he says “I thought Bednarik killed him”.

      A fan suffered a fatal heart attack at the game and when the Giants saw the fan’s covered body being carted away, some of them actually DID think Gifford had died from the hit.

      As it is, Gifford did miss the entire 1961 season recovering from “Concrete Charlie’s blow.

  • Trac

    In other news today, Liverpool scored a beauty to beat Stoke City today.

  • Irish Sweetness

    R.I.P. Frank Gifford.

    Along with Madden, one of the first faces/voices of football for me.

    • beninnorcal

      He was getting up there.

      • AlbertInTucson

        84.

  • AlbertInTucson

    While researching Bednarik’s hit on Gifford, I came across some interesting/odd facts from the 1960 NFL Season.

    The NFL expanded in 1960, adding the Cowboys, the 13th team at the time. They didn’t add a 14th team, the Vikings, until 1961 so they played the 1960 season with an odd number of teams.

    The 12 game schedule was played over 13 weeks and one team was bye EVERY week of the ’60 season.

    The Lions were bye week one and the Cowboys sat out the last weekend of the season, no doubt on the assumption that an expansion team would long be out of contention by the final week of the season.

    Also, regular season games were being played on Fridays and Saturdays. I THINK they were played at night which is where you get old NFL highlights under the lights with a white football.

    Lastly, the Eagles beat the Packers for the title on Monday, December 26th because, I assume, the NFL didn’t want to schedule the title game on Christmas Day. That was a day game.

    Here’s the complete 1960 Schedule

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1960/games.htm

  • AlbertInTucson

    The White Sox are 7 games below .500, again.

    They are also 0-6 at Kansas City including 3 straight 1-run losses this weekend.

    ‘Nuff said.

  • AlbertInTucson

    August 9, 1945.

    The B-29 Stratofortress, BOCKSCAR drops the 2nd atomic bomb, “Fat Man” on Nagasaki,Japan.

    Despite having two cities incinerated in less than a week, Japanese militarists STILL want to continue to prosecute the war against the U.S. and it’s allies.

    Emperor Hirohito, however, sees the (nuclear) light and announces Japan’s surrender on August 15th, despite a coup attempt by the military fanatics who tried to prevent his surrender broadcast to the Japanese people.

    • Trac

      Most major universities are scrapping their History programs Al.

      Hmm……I wonder why they would do that?

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