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‘Jake’ Effect: Cutler No Longer a Franchise Priority

| January 21st, 2015

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I thought John Fox called Jay Cutler “Jake” during his introductory press conference. I paused the TV, rewound and watched it again. Yep. Jake. Jake Cutler. Maybe Fox was channeling his Carolina Panthers days and remembering with nostalgic glee the days of Delhomme. Maybe he’s a fanboy for the work of actor Joe Penny. In any case, the symbolism of the moment could not be missed. With his non-committals on the future of Cutler in front of the Chicago media, the new Bears head coach made it clear that the much-maligned quarterback is no longer the franchise priority.

Does that mean Cutler will not be the quarterback in 2015? No. Does it mean Cutler will not be the quarterback in 2016? No. But it does mean that unlike the hiring two years earlier the Bears hierarchy is no longer making decisions with Cutler in mind.

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  • GPLDAN

    There will be some advertising emerging on the site in the coming weeks. DBB is entering into an exclusive advertising agreement with a not-profit organization I’ve worked with a great deal over the last two years.

    Also: Quicken Loans, Viagra, Cialis, Riverboat gambling and protein shakes. Also, Johnny can set you up sweet into a reverse mortgage. Make it rain Jefe!

    • DaBearsBlog

      I can’t tell you the number of emails I receive from horse shit that wants to advertise. This is going to look cool and it’s an organization I really love.

      • BearDown100393

        Teaming up with the Jake Cutler Foundation? Fantastic.

      • WP4Life

        Dude, thanks for having this site! Whatever you think is best for the site, like HC Fox making decisions for the Bears, I am sure will be best for the site. It rocks. Thanks again.

  • GPLDAN


    John Fox wanted Vic Fangio. He targeted and got Vic Fangio. If he wanted Adam Gase as badly, wouldn’t he have done the same?

    Yes.

    There is something about Gase we don’t know. People are staying away. Body odor, Roswell UFO theories, a penchant for the QB sneak, something. If Fox wanted to stick with him, he’d be here by now.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      My theory is he didn’t have control over him in Denver. I think that’s the reason he left and that’s why he didn’t go after him badly to get him in Chicago.

      • DaBearsBlog

        I think they will hire Gase today.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Yes… on Fox’s terms seeing that Gase really doesn’t have many options.

          This goes into the other similar moves like having Pace fly to Denver to ‘close’ him and letting Fangio leave without an official contract offer.

          • WP4Life

            so far, I like the way Fox works.

          • BillW

            What do you think was in Fox’s mind when he let Fangio go at first? Create a desire on Fangio’s part?

        • Big Mike

          Doesn’t strike me as a particularly strong hire. But at this point, I think “strong hire” and “offensive coordinator” are going to be difficult. Concerns me that Gase lost out to Trestman in Baltimore.

    • Trac

      I suspect Fox would prefer hooking his wagon to a different horse. It’s a risky move staying with an OC that was part of the reason you got fired from your previous gig.

    • willbest

      At this point isn’t it a bit of an insult to go back to Gase? Don’t you think he would feel a bit jaded after all the media hype, let down, and then having to go slink back to his former HC who is just taking him because there isn’t a whole lot else available.

      • BillW

        It was pointed out that there are not enough good candidates for all the OC jobs available. (However you can define “good”). Despite that, Fox is not going to want to look desperate. Gives the OC an unearned sense of value perhaps.

        Barb made a good point in saying Fox is being clever (get it?) by not letting Gase feel he’s “all that” when he’s not. Hiring Gase may just be “the devil you know” situation.

        If Gase is gone in a couple of years one way or another, we’d be on another QB by then anyway.

        The real intersting thing – if it happens – is to see how Gase adjusts from Peyton to Jake.

    • rumors are he sucked in his SF interview, which cost him the job. Came off as cocky and entitled.

      http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/1/20/7863665/what-went-down-with-adam-gase-in-his-49ers-interview

      Sign me up for team Weis.

      • BillW

        Also saw a contrary view that said that leak was from the management to deflect criticism. Said the interview lasted something like 6 hours. Bad interviews don’t last 6 hours.

      • CanadaBear

        And now SF wants to interview for OC. Pretty sure Gase would only take that interview if he had no other options.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Roswell fucking happened. The 509th admitted as much until ….

      {IRISH! NOOOOOO !}

      Sorry.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I think it’s stupid not making your QB a franchise priority. That’s a general rule.

    You either make Cutler a franchise priority or you trade him… there aren’t any other options.

    • GPLDAN

      Except… you know… the other options. Like have him play his deal out and not worry about benching him if he fucks up. Changing the dynamic of the coaching to be intolerant of any outbursts by him behind closed doors and since he’s past 30 and knows his value fades by the day, assume he can stow the asshole routine and – if not – ship him out after the year is done.

      Things like that.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Setting a different set of rules doesn’t make him a non priority. He’s the starting QB. In the NFL. That means he’s a priority no matter what. Symbolism or not.

  • BearDown100393

    Jake Cutler does not care about being a priority.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      He’ll never say or imply it, though.

  • foulmouthpoet

    I can’t believe they’re not making Jake Utler a priority! Hahahahahahahahahaha. Jake. Finally getting back to Bears football. D D D! Let’s run the friggin ball again. If we have to pass, we have awesome targets and whoever the OC is can hopefully minimize the damaging decision-making of Mr. Utler, and maximize his ridiculous arm.

    • willbest

      We have a lot of money tied up in those awesome targets. So much so that you aren’t going to get D D D unless you draft it, and then you still won’t have it for another 2-3 years.

      • foulmouthpoet

        Yes. Good point. But let’s not underestimate how much coaching can have an effect. It’s not like we don’t have any talent on that side of the ball. But yes, it’s going to take time… especially in the secondary. It will be nice to have a defensive minded coach and a great DC. Look how much scheme changes led to success for Matthews and Peppers. Perhaps Jared Allen didn’t just all of the sudden start to suck…

        • willbest

          I will give Allen a pass this year. pneumonia knocked him out far longer than the playing time he missed, the pass coverage sucked so bad QBs were getting the ball out in 2 seconds, and a lot of the time we were playing so far in a hole that teams didn’t even need to pass. And given the general success of the rest of the team in generating sacks it is likely he did get some extra attention on pass plays that would take a bit longer to develop.

  • Max

    This article is definitely a hot take … possibly on purpose?

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Cutler is the QB for now. If Fox can make him work in the new system and we win games, great! If not oh well. I don’t care who our QB is frankly as long as we win games. Cutler might spell big drama, but if he’s on his game he can be great. Time is going to tell. The guy is a millionaire, and for the most part he seems to act like it and not give two shits. Don’t care…just win games.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Bottom line…if the Bears don’t try hard to trade Cutler that means they endorse him.

    That’s the only ‘symbolism’ I’m interested in regarding Cutler.

    • Ososfan

      Maybe you can’t trade him because other teams really don’t want to pay what he’s guaranteed at the moment. If anything, they might be “stuck” with Cutler for another year, when his cap his is way lower.

      • willbest

        He is guaranteed 31.5 million over 2 years, with favorable terms in year 3 & 4. That is an Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick type deal. The only thing heinous about the Cutler contract was that it was front loaded to year one, and really that was a brilliant move. It was amazing foresight by Emery/Stein to leave themselves an out like this. I would be surprised if the Bears don’t get at least a 2nd and 3rd for Cutler, and a pair of 2nds seems far more likely (see Alex Smith trade).

        • Bears-4-Ever

          I’m seeing Cutler here for sure for the 2015 season. After that, depending on how he does, we’re looking at draft picks in 2016 for him. I cannot see him being traded until that point.

          • willbest

            The 2015 Cutler question gets answered an about 6 weeks. The 2016 Cutler question gets answered during the draft. If they pick up say Garrett Grayson in round 3, then Cutler is going to need to put together a probowl year if he has any chance of staying in Chicago.

        • John Doe

          Pure fantasy.

          Alex Smith was younger than Jake Cutler when he fetched a pair of second rounds.

          Alex Smith did not have a monster contract like Jake Cutler does today.

          Alex Smith did not have a league-wide notoriety that Jake Cutler has today.

          No team will give a pair of seconds for Jake Cutler. Bears will be lucky if they get a 3rd rounder.

          The league spoke yesterday on whom to blame for 2014. Aaron Kromer got the Bills job with a raise over what he was making in Chicago. And Trestman got one of the most coveted OC openings. Implication: League said Jake Cutler was more at fault than Trestman/Kromer.

          Jake Cutler, fair or not, does not have much trade value today.

          • BillW

            Debatable for sure, but a reasonable way to look at it.

            I tend to agree given both those surprising (to me) hires.

            Let me take it one step further:
            You have to believe “what’s the deal with Cutler” was a conversation in the interview. Therefore their answers were convincing. Kromer in particular was forgiven for ratting him out to a reporter, apparently because Kromer convinced them it was a very unique circumstance (hey, it was Cutler – not a normal QB.)

            The Bears are stuck with him.

          • The league can speak all they want. It’s not Cutler’s fault that Kromer violated rule #1 of locker room. And it’s not Cutler’s fault that Marc Trestman has ignored the run and failed miserably after his first season in every single NFL stop he’s ever made.

            As I’ve said for months: Cutler was part of the problem last year, but he was far from the only problem, and the coaches were the biggest part of the problem. Time will show that to be true, IMO.

            I fully expect Kromer to succeed wonderfully in Buffalo. He’s a fantastic OL coach, and part of the problem last year was that he was more OC than OL coach, which caused the OL to regress (though injuries didn’t help). Again: coaching. Failing to put your players and coaches in a position to do what they do best is horrible coaching.

            Unless Trestman pulls a complete 180 from everything he has ever done, he will be out of Baltimore in 1.5 years max. He doesn’t fit their offensive personnel at all.

          • BillW

            Sometimes a person or situation can be so exasperating that you wind up doing something completely out of character. If the situation is clearly unique, you can be forgiven (once). I believe that’s what happened to Kromer. His value as a coach outweighed violating rule #1 of the locker room – possibly because he told them something about Cutler that explained what made him lose his sense of reason.

            Trestman has in fact failed every NFL stop after 2-3 years. Yet he was hired over Gase. Why? Again, he may well have convinced Baltimore the regression of the offense was due to Cutler.

            Fair or not – Cutler is viewed as poison by many NFL execs and his trade value goes down as a result.

            I for one find myself thinking “let’s just get past this and cut him or trade him for a bag of deflated Patriots footballs”. We’re not going to the Super Bowl with Cutler at QB anyway. Even when the decisions are not about Cutler, the conversation always comes back to him. Enough already.

          • willbest

            I can’t imagine a sports market where it doesn’t come back to the QB virtually every time. Andy Dalton? Joe Flacco (before he won a SB), Ryan Tannehill, Nick Foles…Mark Sanchez. Hell even Tom Brady was called into question after the embarassing Chiefs loss. And both McCarthy and Rodgers are taking heat right now.

          • BillW

            That’s my point. It will always come back to an underperforming (for his money) QB. Time to end that.

          • willbest

            But every QB underperforms their contract except Brady who cuts the Pats a deal so ridiculous they ought to be fined for it.

          • Big Mike

            Wrong again.

          • BillW

            What’s your guess on the value?

          • Big Mike

            Depends on timing. He’s been in a bunch of systems, has shown he can come up to speed on things pretty quickly. The whole JC debate revolves around how messed up you thought Trestman was. I for one think he was a farce.

            There is such a shortage of QBs these days I believe there are a couple teams that are a big armed, veteran QB away from feeling like they can contend. So Cutler’s value is determined by what is that shot worth? I’d say a 2nd and 3rd rd pick is probably right.

            I also believe strongly that he’s worth that much to the Bears. So if you don’t get that for him, you simply don’t trade him. It’s like trading a used car, My wife has a 10 year old Chrysler Mini-Van. We bought it for hauling our kids. It is the least cool car you could possibly drive. I’ve since bought a couple different vehicles without trading it in. Why, because they offered me $3k for it. The car is fully functioning, I know what’s been repaired, replaced tuned and what’s likely to go. So I keep. Same with Cutler.

          • BillW

            If they can get that, then I’d be very disappointed if they don’t trade him. They are not going to the SB with Cutler – free up the cap money (assuming the whole deal is off the books as Canada said), use the draft pick. Your QB of the future is not on the team.

            Another way to look at it – his value isn’t going to go up. Take what you get now and move on. If I thought Fox was going to make us SB contenders next year or 2 I’d change my tune (maybe). But we are building for sustained success, not a one shot deal.

          • willbest

            A 2 & 3, especially if they are both 2015, will allow you to draft, somebody like Garrett, while also getting you a key defensive piece. You could also go ahead and spend your #7 on the best OT and lean on Matt Forte next year so your developmental QB isn’t completely boned.

          • BillW

            I hope you guys are right. I’m sure Pace is working on this among other things. I want Cutler gone.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And if/when Matt goes down? No team can afford to put all their eggs in one basket when it come to RBs. We need to stop treating matty like a golden goose.

            If Scherff is there (or whoever they think is the top tackle), we do have a dilemma. Not often we get a choice of top the tackle.

          • CanadaBear

            There will still be some dead money if we trade him. The bonus money is spread across up to 5 years of the contract.

          • Scharfinator

            Pace seems smart, maybe he can fleece someone for a Jake trade.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We’ll see. I think you’re wrong, to the tune of a first.
            For a third rounder he’s not worth trading.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I said ‘try hard to trade him’.

  • Ososfan

    But why did Cutler play so well with limited weapons back when he was wrecking havoc before he broke his thumb against the Chargers? He has ability, at least, let him have a OC play to his strengths!

    • willbest

      Mike Martz didn’t let him audible, which actually plays to Cutler’s strengths because he isn’t particularly football savvy, and it wouldn’t surprise me if half the false starts were caused by him audibling.

      The problem with Martz is Angelo never got Cutler an offensive line, and not being able to improvise in that situation was going to get Cutler killed. In fact, if it weren’t for Black Unicorn being a top 5 modern TE, I would be all for bringing Martz back to run the offense, because Cutler does have the weapons and an o-line that while not great, won’t have him leaving the field on a stretcher.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        Martz is talking with the Browns. And no thanks, Martz is not all that. Good Riddance.

        • willbest

          In the context of the barren wasteland that is OC right now, Martz does have value.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            So does Trestman I guess since he’s off to Baltimore. I reiterate, good riddance..

        • AlbertInTucson

          Martz KNEW he didn’t have a line to protect on 7 step dropbacks yet constantly called plays that required 7 step drops.

    • Irish Sweetness

      What are his strengths? Throwing the ball hard? I can’t think of anything else he does well.

  • Maddbearfan

    It just could be the “Jake Cutler” slip, was a “Senior Moment”….at 60 yrs old cut him some slack! I think they will give Jay a year to get it together if he wants to stick around. Too many times the Bears have cut players that go on to exel elsewhere. And too many QB hungry teams that Jay could help that could bite us in the ass. Just my 2 cents.

    • willbest

      Senior moment, hell I am in my mid 30s and call my boys by the other ones name all the time.

      • BillW

        Believe me that’s a common parenting thing. I recall doing that all the time – even using my daughter’s name for one of the boys and vice versa.

        • Big Mike

          because in the end they’re interchangeable. 🙂

          • BillW

            “If I’m yelling at the wrong kid, just save it for next time”

      • CanadaBear

        My dad called me my older brother’s name all his life. At some point nobody ever said anything and I’d just respond to it. It was an honest mistake. He was only 7 years older, half a foot taller and about 50 lbs heavier!

        • AlbertInTucson

          I have 2 brothers. I was the middle one but just got used the the fact that I would sometimes be referred to by BOTH of the others’ names before Mom go around to mine.

          This despite the fact that I am clearly the favorite.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve been married to my present wife 13+ years. Only once did I address her by my ex’s name. I still hear about it!

          • AlbertInTucson

            Oh lord! THAT is a completely different transgression. Idelible. SHE will remember it forever.

          • CanadaBear

            Yes, I’m completely aware of that. DAMN!

          • allbears1052

            or when having sex!

          • BillW

            Worse if it was during an arguement

          • DaMurph

            Oh boy Canada, that’s one they never forget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • EnderWiggin

            So, uh… WHEN, or during what, did you call her your ex’s name?

          • CanadaBear

            Actually it was just in a passing conversation. I was working shift work at the time and beyond tired.

  • Big Mike

    Off topic, but related to the off season.
    On the value of so called draft experts, and grading a draft as it happens. The 2012 draft resulted in 5 top starters for the Seahawks. ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. gave them a “C-” grade. He wrote that they didn’t need Russell Wilson because they already had Matt Flynn at quarterback:
    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/2012-seahawks-draft-2015-1

    • BillW

      I used to argue with a friend on that a lot. He always relied on those grades. It took several years before he realized how dumb that is. I convinced him that the graders say “if they picked the players I think are good, then they get an A”. I said if the graders were so good, why aren’t they GMs? He finally got it.

  • I think it’s a good thing they did this last round of hirings based on what’s best for the team over Cutler.

    Cutler is a good solid quarterback, but the Bears are not going to win a Super Bowl with him. Not because he sucks (he doesn’t), but because they’re still a couple years away and he’ll be gone in 2-3 years.

    So I’m glad they’re no longer basing franchise-altering decisions around him.

    • are they a couple of years away? bear with me a moment. suspend reality, put on your bear goggles, and take a trip to 2015 title town:

      – our offense reclaims some of the magic from 2013. we’re not the NFC’s highest scoring team, but Alshon + Marshall combine for 190 catches, 2200 yards, and 19 TDs.
      – bennett only catches 70 balls, but he scores 9 TDs because our new OC understands how to use him in the red zone.
      – forte rushes for 1100 and catches 50 balls
      – we develop a third receiver
      – the offensive line plays together for 14 out of 16 games
      – defense finds some fire, moves up to 14th overall in yards allowed, 17th in points allowed

      We finish at 10-6 and get in as a wild card. Jake gets hot a la Eli in the playoffs and we win the Superbowl.

      See? Possible!

      • BillW

        I hate B&B but they appear to have a reliable Bears source. And they say Marshall is gone. Not sure why exactly – it may be another case of Ginny being pissed.

        • Big Mike

          Marshall is not gone. I don’t see it. Something huge would have to come out. B&B have been wrong about just about everything with the recent changes.

          • BillW

            They were adamant about it. I normally would ignore them, but they do seem to have a reliable source. We shall see.

          • John Doe

            The attitude at Halas Hall is very different this year. They are like “screw the money and eating contracts. Let’s get rid of all the trouble makers”.

            And that is why I would not be comfortable if I were Jake Cutler. McCaskeys are in a complete house cleaning mood.

          • BillW

            The new regime gets one chance at (in effect) blaming Trestman and Emery. After that, they own the problems.

            That’s probably what Barb meant when he said Fox was endorsing the Cutler contract if he stays.

          • John Doe

            Yes, pretty much. No coach will be fired after 2015 season (unless someone does a Kromer-type screw up). That much is guaranteed. And I think that part helped Fox land Fangio. It is at least a 2 year job.

          • willbest

            You have some twisted sense of reality where Jay Cutler doesn’t get paid generational levels of wealth (his great grand kids are going to be set) regardless of the outcome.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Brandon is not a trouble maker, he just wants to win and he’s one of the top WRs in the game. The new coaches and GM have just gotten here and they see that. We have no passing game without BM. None. It all goes away.

        • John Doe

          If Gase is OC then the chances that Marshall is gone are even higher.

          Gase and Marshall did not get along in Marshall’s last year in Denver.

          But Marshall’s rambling press conference, his Showtime gig, etc. were too much last year and I would not be surprised if owners want to get rid of him for that alone. He bullied Trestman and Emery into doing pretty much what he wanted.

          • BillW

            Trestman didn’t even have the guts to stick with “Brandon ran the wrong route”. Now obviously that’s on Trestman, but it shows despite all his efforts, he’s still look at as a ticking bomb.

          • CanadaBear

            Fox will not enable BMarsh. BMarsh is a very intelligent man. BMarsh knew he intimidated Nessman and PE and there would be no repercussions. I don’t see Fox being afraid of BMarsh. Every player always says (whether they mean it or not) they just want a coach to be honest with them. Fox is that coach. No BS, no mind games, no trying to get everyone around the campfire. Just ball out, don’t be a distraction and respect the game.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            BMarsh is 1 IQ point away from being retarded.

          • CanadaBear

            He’s a wingnut for sure but he’s not stupid. Listen to him talk (and talk and talk). Compare some of the stuff he talks about vs #54 expounding on life.

          • willbest

            Personally I think the new Brandon Marshall is actually much easier to deal with than the likes of Dez, and many other WR#1 these days. Then again, now he is speaking out against the NFL and that is something they tend not to tolerate.

          • Scharfinator

            I agree, though Dez has come around it seems. He yells on the sidelines, but who doesn’t want passionate players?

          • Scharfinator

            I just really don’t know why we’re considering Gase. Is the market for OC’s that bad?

        • they made that claim before Ryan Pace and John Fox had been hired.
          Ryan Pace makes all football decisions.

          Ergo, that claim is absolute 100% BS.

          Now it may end up happening, but there’s no way it’s been decided. So far in 1.5 weeks on the job Pace has hired a HC, helped hire assistants, fired the director of personnel and hired somebody to replace him, and gone down to Mobile for the Senior Bowl to scout and get to know Chicago’s scouts.

          If you seriously think that he had time amongst that to made the decision to dump Marshall (who he probably has yet to meet) already, I have some lovely oceanfront property in Nebraska to sell you. That will likely come in February.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            There is an inland sea of my post-game tears this year…just north of Omaha.
            But you don’t own the property rights!

          • DaMurph

            Any plans to travel for the Bears vs Chargers game? I’m tentative for it. Johnny? Doc?

      • GB and SEA are going to be the 2 best teams in the NFC for the next 2-3 years. I’ll be very surprised if the SB participant from the NFC isn’t one of them for at least the next 2 years.

        • CanadaBear

          I agree with ya JW but all it takes is for Wilson or Erin to go down and they turn into very beatable teams.

          • agreed.
            Also worth noting that, in the 3 SB runs combined for Eli and Flacco (2 very similar QBs to Jay), they threw a total of 1 INT in 12 games.
            I don’t think Jay can go 4 games without having too many turnovers.

        • willbest

          Well Seattle sure. They have zero important people coming up in FA and can continue to pay Russell Wilson peanuts for another year.

          The Packers will always live and die by Aaron Rodgers. Plus they are in a bit of a cap situation. Randell Cobb, and Bulaga are FAs and they will probably be parting ways with one of their corners and Peppers. Between needing to keep 10 million for your draft class and mid season IR replacements they find themselves with not all that much in cap room.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Oooh, let’s get rid of Cutler and stay ready for Russell !

        • clearly you undervalue the emergence of our 3rd receiver. =]

        • Irish Sweetness

          If Arizona find a QB, they go to the SB.

    • John Doe

      Sorry, Jake Cutler sucks big time..especially at his price point. He is not a $15 million QB.

      He is at best $5-8 million per year QB. I would be very happy with Jake Cutler’s performance at Kyle Orton money.

      • Big Mike

        The numbers do not support your argument.

      • Bender McLugh

        get over the money and you’ll possibly see Jay is better than average. His dumb mistakes at crucial moments are what kills him.

      • his contract will be about 10th highest for NFL QBs once Luck, Wilson, Cam sign this offseason. He’s probably the 15th best QB or so. It’s not that absurd.

        • willbest

          Eli, Rivers, and Big Ben’s contracts expire after 2015, it is likely they are all getting extensions as well, so he will likely be the 13th highest paid QB

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’d prefer Kyle’s performance at Kyle’s money. At least he looks after the ball.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Which is a great reason to trade him while he’s still worth something, ditto Forte. Letting players retire/break down when you’re not making a un is just dumb. Capitalize on your assets. These guys aren’t nuggets of gold, they’re bowls of ice cream and the ice cream is melting.

  • GPLDAN

    Don’t be shocked to see Charlie Weiss come in as OC.

    • John Doe

      He may come in as consultant to help out Gase.

    • BearDown100393

      Weis can team up once again with Clausen and tear up the NFL.

      • John Doe

        Weis has been out of the Pro game for a long. His last successful stint as OC was all the way back from 2000-2004 with Patriots. He had one lone year with KC Chiefs in 2010 that was no great shakes.

        I would not trust him as OC. As a consultant, he could add value. May be help out in the run game.

        • his 2010 stint in KC was most definitely successful.

          • Big Mike

            data please 🙂

          • BillW

            Is that “data please” or is that
            ‘Data’ – please!

          • John Doe

            Ha!

          • Big Mike

            Please provide data.

          • CanadaBear

            Here are the 2010 stats for the Chiefs. Cassel had a QB rating of 93.0. Check out the stats for Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles.

            http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/statistics?season=2010&team=KC&seasonType=

          • Bender McLugh

            that was an awesome back field duo man.

          • CanadaBear

            I think people on here have a little bit of a hazy memory when it comes to Thomas Jones. Don’t get me wrong, I liked him. He was a hard nosed runner and a no BS person when it came to football. However, he used to dance around at the line all the time and it drove me nuts. He was good but not great. Charles on the other hand, is great. What a nice duo to ground and pound.

          • Chiefs in 2009 (pre-Weis): 303.2 yards per game (25th), 18.4 ppg (23rd), 25th in football outsiders DVOA rankings

            Chiefs in 2010 (w/ Weis): 349.7 ypg (13th), 22.9 ppg (14th), 13th in DVOA

            Chiefs in 2011 (post-Weis): 310.8 ypg (27th), 13.3 ppg (31st), 29th in DVOA

            They had Matt Cassel at QB all 3 years. Passer ratings: 69.9, 93.0, 76.6

            Dwyane Bowe also had a career year under Weis, with 1162 yards and 15 TDs, which got him (over)paid.

    • Scharfinator

      I’d prefer Weis over Gase.

  • John Doe

    Adam Gase and Bears are default choices for each other. Indy has taken Chud off the market. They are denying teams permission to interview Chud.

    Jim Thomas ✔ @jthom1Follow

    Rams also denied permission by Indianapolis to interview special assistant to head coach Rob Chudzinski for OC job.

    11:08 PM – 20 Jan 2015

    Teams are deseperate to grab whatever OCs are left. And there aren’t many left. Things have gotten so bad that 49ers are calling Gase for OC job after pulling back HC offer from Gase and bad mouthing that he bombed the interview. Rams want to interview Gase too. But I guess he will be signing his contract with Bears today.

    Nick Wagoner ✔ @nwagonerFollow

    Niners and Rams again reached out to Gase on Tues. night about their vacant OC jobs. His plan still to fly to Chicago on Wed., per source.

    10:07 PM – 20 Jan 2015

  • GPLDAN

    The sordid tale of Billy’s soft balls is ratcheting up faster than I expected. I saw it as a non-story, just some chum in the water for Super Bowl week.

    But USA Today, meaningless rag that it is, has huge syndication due to it’s relationship with hotels. And it’s calling for the Patty’s to be thrown out of the Super Bowl over their soft balls.

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/patriots-deflate-ball-super-bowl-disqualified-penalties-sanctions

    • John Doe

      Ravens feel cheated too. Their kicker thought kicking balls were deflated and not going deep.

      Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 12h12 hours ago

      Some Ravens believe kicking balls may have been deflated in their playoff game at New England: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24981269/some-baltimore-ravens-think-footballs-were-under-inflated-vs-patriots

      • BearDown100393

        The front tire on the limo may have been deflated just as it turned into Dealey Plaza. #BlameBelichick

      • willbest

        Special Team balls are done by the league so they can’t be tampered with. So the kicker is full of @#$@. As Rodgers explained, this is the Peyton Manning rule, because he didn’t like playing with brand new balls, and what Peyton wants Peyton gets, and so this whole process where teams supply the balls and the refs inspect them came into being.

    • BillW

      A lot of conflicting info coming out as I read it. But it will all get straigtened out.

      For example I read that 11 out of 12 Patriots balls were 2 psi under. Then I read that 11 out of 12 were more than 2 psi under. Then I read 7 out of 12 Colts balls were 2 psi under (or was it more than 2 psi) and then that all the Colts balls were within tolerance.

      Brady was quoted as saying he prefers under-inflated balls (yes, the jokes write themselves).

      Still waiting to hear from Giselle on her preferences.

      The real issue is this – if they did something in this game (a blowout) what’s to say they didn’t in any other game? Like the Ravens game? Or during the season – which may have made a difference in a close game that got them home field advantage in the playoffs.

      And when did it start? After people started calling for Brady to be benched?

      All that sounds ridiculous, and yet Bellichick is not beyond this kind of thing so it brings a certain level of doubt.

      If the Bears were as good as the Pats, I’d hate that lvel of doubt to be circling them. I’d want them admired, not investigated.

      New phrase I’m ready:
      Don Shula was right!

      • John Doe

        You have probable cause right here. Tom Brady admitted in 2011 that he likes deflated balls.

        ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk · 19h19 hours ago

        Tom Brady said in 2011 that he like deflated footballs http://wp.me/p14QSB-9GS1

        • Bender McLugh

          lol

      • willbest

        I mentioned in the last thread that basic chemistry dictates that a ball will lose PSI when the temperature of the ball decreases. PV=nRT. If in fact the Colts balls were underinflated too, this is most certainly the result of them being inspected at 70-75 degrees, and then played with at 45-50 degrees or whatever it.

        Peyton Manning is set to retire soon, so we will no longer need the Peyton Manning rule. The NFL will probably just go back to supplying the balls next year.

        • BillW

          What’s confusing is that 1 of the 12 Patriots balls were found to be under pressure. But not all 12. Now maybe that 12th one was one the bottom of a bag and warmer? Maybe it was inflated higher at the start than the other 11? Or maybe the culprit only had time to mess with 11 of them.

          Did you see that Brad Johnson claimed he bribed someone to scuff 100 (!) footballs at his Super Bowl? How did THAT not get noticed! Who had time to scuff 100 footballs? And how did he not realize this will cause a shit storm?

          I think that’s a hoax.

          • Scharfinator

            Maybe that 12th ball didn’t see much field time and thus less 300 lb people falling on it.

          • Johnnywad

            When were they checked? Yesterday? What the hell? It only matters at game time. The only way they could know would be to check during the game? Am I missing something here? If they checked during the game, and they were under inflated, why did the refs not rectify the problem? If they checked Tuesday and they were underinflated, how does that prove anything? This is confusing and probably a giant waste of time. I bet this kind of stuff happens all the time. Little edge gained here and there…..nature of competition. So maybe the Colts only lose by 21 with proper balls.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      hahahahah thrown out of the Super Bowl over their soft balls. LOL

    • BerwynBomber

      I thought Spygate was overblown at the time, but with this news Belichick’s and Brady’s reputations are tarnished for good (as well, of course, the Pats teams of their era), which is shame given that Belichick is the best HC in my viewing lifetime.

  • willbest

    How are there no QB/OL coaches ready to take the next step or college OC ready to come up?

    You have to develop coaches the same way you develop players. Going with Gase just because he watched Peyton Manning do the job is nuts. Find a guy who has excelled at what he has done as an important position coach, that you can get along with, and give him a shot.

    I mean that is exactly what we did with 37 year old Pace, why not do it at the OC position. You have Fox with worlds of experience, and an accomplished DC. Go get somebody fresh on OC. If he fails go get Chud or whoever after his contract is up.

    • GPLDAN

      Emery & Trestman were “outside the NFL old boys club” decisions.

      As such they were unpopular within the league. Many shills for the NFL (Marino, Boomer E, etc) panned the decisions because it went outside the pecking order of the old boys club.

      Bringing Accorsi in is the mcCaskey way of apologizing. These hires are strictly WITHIN the club. This is the NFL hierarchy in action. As such, all these hires will be within the unwritten agreements between these clubs about how players and coaches are handled.

      • Bender McLugh

        I’m not buying that solely because these hires were within the old school boys club that they weren’t the right decisions. Fox was the #1 choice at HC and Fangio the same at DC.

        • GPLDAN

          I’m not saying that they won’t be kick ass guys. I think they will.

          I’m just saying that the McCaskeys brough Accorsi in to rectify the issue of Sweaty Teddy the maverick.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    What has front butt (Weiss) been up to since notre dame? too lazy too look it up.

    • CanadaBear

      Love the nickname for Weis. Good to see ya on here Coach!

      • Trac

        Shhhhh. Jeff might want to write an article on how tough it must be to have a front butt and coach in the NFL. Hahaha

        • DaCoaches Mustache

          I think he’s the only living human to have lap band surgery and gain weight. Impressive.

  • Shady

    When the Bears were running potential OC and HC hires past JC, people called the Bears out for it. It was just as ridiculous at the time as it would be today to consult a player before hiring a coach. Players don’t make those decisions. As soon as they did, they gave up any and all power from the coaches to the players. I think that’s a big reason why nobody bought into what Trestmaing was selling. The whole Kromer debacle was just the cherry on top of a shit pie.

  • Sactowns#1

    Think if we jettisoned Forte, Cutler and BMarsh we could get Lynch and a good DB?

    • willbest

      Why in gods name would you invest any kind of scratch in a 28 year old RB.

      From a business standpoint they should definitely restructure Forte though. Maybe move him from his 1 year 8.5 million deal that is left on his contract to a 3-year 19 million deal with 12 mil guaranteed,

      • Bender McLugh

        agreed.

      • BerwynBomber

        Because the contract would be less onerous than the two Bears have invested in a 32 year old QB and WR and you would be trading one 28 year old RB contract for another, better 28 year old RB contract?

        • willbest

          QBs age to 38ish, WRs age to 35-36. RBs go at 29-30. Forte is less risky because he isn’t the bruiser that Lynch is. The oldest RB in the league last year was 33.

    • Bender McLugh

      would LOVE to see Lynch here but not for that price.

    • BerwynBomber

      Depending upon the DB it might be a decent trade, but a) Seattle would have no use for Cutler, and b) BMarsh might be seen as damaged goods across the league.

      But yeah, would save the Bears money (which they could re-invest in FA market), and again, depending upon the DB it could even result in higher player value/productivity.

      • Irish Sweetness

        BM would put up huge numbers in SEA. Wilson is accurate, Jake is not.

    • Irish Sweetness

      We can draft Landon Collins for free, and pick up any fool to carry the rock in the fourth round.

  • John Doe

    Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 12m12 minutes ago
    The #Colts are blocking offensive assistant Rob Chudzinski from all of his interview requests. They want to keep him, he helps immensely

    • GPLDAN

      Shame. Chud would be outstanding.

      • Bender McLugh

        I haven’t followed Chudzinski……what’s his creds?

        • GPLDAN

          Got the most out of Cam Newton, went to the Browns as HC. Known for installing complex but effective schemes that require high football IQs, he is known as the master of technique, able to coach lineman, wideouts, backs and QBs equally well.

          Browns fired him after one season despite improvement in a move widely panned by anyone who thinks the Browns are anything but a joke, he lands in Indy as the “coach of everything”, a non titled role where he does whatever. Considered excellent at finding all the little things that make teams better.

          • Bender McLugh

            ahh yes, I remember his one year with the Browns now………..fired him for no reason it seemed.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            He was the OC of the Browns too in 2007 and 2008. Now ’08 was terrible, the Browns were a mess up and down the roster. However, in 2007, he coached a certain QB to the Pro Bowl who hasn’t been back since (Derek Anderson). CLE was 8th in the NFL in scoring (402 pts.), which was the 5th most in team history. The 4 seasons they scored more all occured before 1966. Chud was definitely the mastermind because the HC of the Browns that year was Romeo Crennel. Chud also had success with Cam as you mentioned before and was decent in 2013 with CLE as their HC. They couldn’t run the ball because they had a cavalcade of suck at the position. But their QB stats were actually decent in the aggregate 4361 yds., 25 TD’s, 20 INT’s and thats with Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell and Brian Hoyer getting PT. (Note: The punter, Spencer Lanning was 1-1 for 11 yds and a TD and his stats are not included in the QB #’s above).

        • Barb UMihai Mar
  • John Doe

    Not a lot of OC talent this year..

    Nick Wagoner @nwagoner · 2m2 minutes ago

    In past 24 hours: Ravens go with Trestman, Jaguars go with Greg Olson, Browns with DeFilippo and Jets with Gailey for OC jobs.

  • Bender McLugh

    Bears should hire Schoop back to run the offense. Seriously. Pay the dude 1mil and let the D take over. I’ll bet you 8-10 wins even with the Schoop running the O……….that’s the difference (in my opinion of course) Fox is going to make to this team.

    • Bender McLugh

      Fox-Fangio to be precise.

    • CanadaBear

      Please god, no. The run and Shoop was beyond hideous.

      • Bender McLugh

        lol

      • Bender McLugh

        On January 24, 2013, Purdue University head football coach, Darrell Hazell hired Shoop to be the Offensive Coordinator and Quarterbacks Coach for the Boilermakers football team after taking a year off from coaching.[8]
        Purdue’s offensive struggled in 2013, as Purdue was shut out in
        back-to-back games for the first time in 60 years, and struggled to
        reach 300 yards of total offense on a weekly basis.

        See? He’d a perfect to prove the Fox & Fang are the real deal and who cares about OC?

        • BillW

          Nice to see he’s stayed true to himself.

  • John Doe

    Jen Lada @JenLada · 35m35 minutes ago
    Some Bears players have been told Adam Gase will be the OC in Chicago.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The leaks town.

    • BillW

      Well, if so , then OK. It’s not like we lost out to some strong candidate.

  • John Doe

    Coach Harbaugh @CoachJim4UM · 5h5 hours ago
    Congrats to Bears, Raiders, Bills, Great Coaches and men, John Fox, Jack Del Rio, Rex! And Home Run hires Vic Fangio, Brad Seely, Greg Roman

    • BillW

      What? No love for the SF hires?

      Thanks Jim, but we all know you’re digging at your old boss.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    I haven’t been on this site much for a long time. What happened to MB? He used to post more than anyone. Did his peener finally turn green and fall off?

    • CanadaBear

      I missed his sign off but I think he got frustrated with some new blood on here.

      • Thisguy_justsaid

        Yea what happen to MB?

        • Johnnywad

          What the hell is your avatar?

          • Thisguy_justsaid

            It’s me idk my Facebook got linked to the website and that’s my Facebook pro pic. How do I change my avatar?

          • Johnnywad

            Beats the hell out of me. That’s why mine’s still just a dude with his head popped off. Holy shit dude, do you ever have roid rage?

          • Thisguy_justsaid

            All natty!

      • Scharfinator

        Either that or he gave up when our season went to shit. Maybe a little bit of both.

      • DaMurph

        That’s pretty much it Canada. He’s alive and well!

    • Shady

      Yes.

  • John Doe

    A long article from last year on likely Bears OC Adam Gase. It is written by Jason La Canfora – a known Bears hater. I will be curious to see how Canfora spins it during Gase’ Bears tenure.

    The article has many interesting tidbits. Gase learnt about coaching and work ethic from Nick Saban but learnt most of the stuff on Offense from Mike Martz.

    He still runs plays and concepts by Martz. I am sure that will make Jake Cutler’s head explode.

    The guys has something. He has not risen this far for nothing. And I doubt Manning would have kept him around for 2 years if he did not have the smarts or contributed little.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24423163/broncos-oc-gase-keeps-rising-as-coaching-star-with-manning-intensity

    • BerwynBomber

      Ironically, could be good news for Cutler if Gase puts him in a Martz-like straightjacket regarding audibles. The evidence is next to overwhelming that Cutler is atrocious at audibling and a more productive player when he does not have to think at the line of scrimmage and merely runs the play that is called.

      Actually, Bears D would have also been better served to do the same after Urlacher retired as they were burned numerous times by either their checks or inability to articulate the checks to all eleven guys in the last couple of years, most obviously in a couple of games against Rodgers and the Pack.

      • willbest

        I speculate this is why the Bears were better on the road. Cutler couldn’t audible, which is why I commented several times during the season that maybe we as fans needs to scream loud on offense to help them out.

        • BerwynBomber

          Jim Miller, who strikes me as neither a Jay lover or hater, claims that Cutty even has issues distinguishing which side of the ball the defense is weighted on when he gets to the line, which apparently is QB 101 stuff. It was Miller who I first heard posit that Jay has shown he plays better under a Martz or Shanahan because they restricted his ability to audlble. (I still think that ten game stretch under Martz before the thumb injury was the best Cutty played as a Bear.)

          Guys like Gruden and Gannon also later brought this stuff up in regard to Cutty.

          • Johnnywad

            I remember that stretch. It felt like third downs were no big deal. The Bears were going to pick them up. I remember that it feeling quite strange.

  • GPLDAN

    Deadspin on Ballghazi

    http://deadspin.com/the-patriots-ballghazi-scandal-cannot-be-overblown-enou-1680853191?google_editors_picks=true

    I like how they talk about the NFL’s shadow rulebook.

  • John Doe

    Adam Gase and Brandon Marshall dynamic will be interesting to watch. This article below looks at their history.

    I think the unofficial news about Gase broke yesterday. May be puts this Marshall tweet in a different light..

    Machine Marshall @BMarshall · 15h15 hours ago
    Man rough day. Guess tomorrow is the bounce back. Learned a few things so I guess it’s still productive. . How u?

    http://sportsmockery.com/2015/01/adam-gase-interview-brings-brandon-marshall-speculation/

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      If marshall didn’t care about gase at the time, why would he care now ?

      there’s nothing there. just trying to gain some clicks.

  • GPLDAN

    This is Phil Emery today on the veranda of Halas Hall (nice view)

  • GPLDAN

    Bloggy Fadda Qweets:

    Bill Belichick is starting to remind me of Eliot Spitzer. Brilliant, powerful but unable to overcome fatal flaws.

    The Desire to Cheat is strong with these two.

    • John Doe

      Super Bowl will be a good match up. Pete Carroll likes to cheat too. Ran away from USC in time. And started Adderall dynasty in Seattle.

    • Trac

      And both ended up with deflated balls. Hee hee.

      • Johnnywad

        Well played sir. Well played.

  • GPLDAN

    ““In short the NCAA says that in exchange for an agreement that the $60 million dollars the school was fined will be spent only in Pennsylvania to address child abuse there, the 112 wins that had been stricken from the records of the school — including the 111 wins erased from the record of coach Joe Paterno, all the victories after the first time police were called by a parent about Sandusky showering with their child and Penn State’s damnable coverup really began — all those victories will now be restored and Paterno will again become the winningest coach in major college football history, because of course, he was the real victim here.

    This could be discussed for hours but the only two things that are to my mind essential points right now, the naiveté which still much exists in the minds of NCAA and Penn State and defenders of Joe Paterno as if this decision or anything else will ever lessen the guilt the university and Paterno share, or ever reduce the disgust which the names Penn State football and Joe Paterno will produce for decades to come. This is Joe Paterno’s legacy. This is Penn State’s legacy. Football was more important to them than saving children.

    And the second point. It is hard to believe that the NCAA and the school could take the most nauseating, the most horrifying, the most indefensible institutionalization of corruption in American sports — the Jerry Sandusky scandal — and make it worse, but today they just did.”

    -Olbermann, Friday night on his show.

    I get that Da Blog hates Olbermann. I could give a fuck. He says things that need saying.

  • BillW

    PFT reporting that Chud’s contract expires next week. Colts can’t prevent him from interviewing then obviously. They are perhaps hoping other teams decide not to wait?

    Why are the Colts saying he’s valuable to them but they haven’t resigned him? Wow.

    • BillW

      Makes sense now. Chud has a ton of leverage and is using it. Colts want to resign him and are hoping his leverage disappears before it’s too late.

      Bears may as well wait this one out. They have a plan B and C.

    • John Doe

      They might re-sign him by next week. Gives them extra time for negotiations. And Chud can extract a few more dollars out of them if they don’t want him to hit free agency.

      I expect they will lock him up before next week.

      • BillW

        Yeah – I figured that out after I posted. Brain moving slower this afternoon.

  • BillW

    I do wonder if MB will ever come back. He seemed to like several of the posters and enjoy his time here. The feeling was mutual from what I could gather.

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