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In Blogger Mock Draft, DBB Selects…

| March 5th, 2015

Matt Falk at Draft Season contacted me (of all people) to partake in a blogger mock draft. And with the 7th pick in the 2015 NFL Draft, DaBearsBlog selected…

Vic Beasley LB, Clemson

Analysis: I have a phrase I use when watching college football: “jump off the screen”. These are the players that just look a step above everyone else around them. Beasely was one of these guys. In 2013. Then he made what I thought was the ludicrous decision to return to Clemson for another season. Doesn’t seem so ludicrous now as I’m taking him with the 7th pick.

Why would the Bears take him here? Why not? They need absolutely everything on the defensive side of the ball and I think when they line up Shane Ray, Randy Gregory and Vic Beasely side-by-side-by-side they will see Beasely best fits what John Fox and Vic Fangio want to do defensively.

To read the entire mock draft, CLICK HERE.

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  • Big Mike

    First. how did that happen. Now I need to read the article 🙂

    • burntorangenavyblue

      You were in “win” mode. Congrats!

      • Big Mike

        Just happened onto twitter and jeff posted something.

  • Big Mike

    What I like about what Jeff’s post, is the statement that “they need absolutely everything on defensive side of the ball”. There is no position, that would make me think “WTF” (like when they took Bensen with 5 and had Thomas Jones on the roster). That being said, the BIG challenge is getting max value out of their slot. Is 7 to high for Landon Collins? What about the CB in the draft, is he still on the board?
    I think it comes down to Shelton, Collins or the best of Shane Ray, Randy Gregory and Vic Beasely.

    • Too high for a SS who can’t really cover (like Eric Berry coming out of college).

      Personally, I think Fowler is the target.

      But gotta admit, it’s a tough choice between Fowler, Beasly, Ray and Gregory.

      One of them will fall to us, and history says, one (or more) will be a bust or mediocre at best.

      • dwhnt47

        Thats why Shelton is a safer pick, and is very likely still on the board at #7. Besides, this draft is deep at LB and pass rusher. Lineman like Shelton don’t come around very often and he can play anywhere on the line.

      • Frank Schoenburg

        I doubt Fowler get to us at 7. Tough choice between Beasly and Gregory. I’d go for the latter but it’s close. I don’t see why we need Shelton when we have Ego.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      It’s either and elite ILB or S, but if there aren’t any you take the best OLB there is. Trade up…why not.

  • Bender McLugh
    • Bears-4-Ever

      Wow. The only hesitation would be sometimes a player like that can’t play well for another team. It’s not that they don’t have ability but sometimes their heart just isn’t in it anymore.

      • Bender McLugh

        I don’t think that’s the case with Wilfork though. The guy just loves the game & life, or so it seems from his interviews & videos of him & his family & all the other media crapola….I see this guy playing hard for any team he lands on. If the price is right I’d love him on this D.

        • Bender McLugh

          ……..but for some reason I see him landing on the Ravens. No idea why.

          • I could see that.
            Plus, Fangio doesn’t traditionally us big fat NTs, but doesn’t mean he can’t change his scheme to fit his personnel

  • John Doe

    Jeremy Stoltz of Bear Report has a scoop…says Bears are interested in free-agent LB Mason Foster. Four-year veteran from Tampa Bay. 6-1, 241. Started every year for the Bucs. Jets, Dolphins, Saints also have interest.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      not good enough…by a mile and then some.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      He doesn’t have the smarts.

  • John Doe

    ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk · 7m7 minutes ago
    Brian Hartline is visiting the Texans today; a deal with them is now a real possibility.

    • they’re supposed to lose Johnson, so wouldn’t surprise me they go with younger options and Hartline in the slot.
      I’d rather draft a fast/young slot WR who also plays KR or specials.

      It’s a deep WR class.

  • John Doe

    Brad Biggs @BradBiggs · 13m13 minutes ago
    Sources: #Bears are exploring trade options for WR Brandon Marshall. http://trib.in/1DYNtAl

    • I don’t get it, but I’m not in the locker room. Hope they’re not dumping him because he said he’d have buyer’s remorse too. Enough ppl have been fired because of Cutler already.

      The article stated that the Bears would be lucky to garner a 3rd for him (and most likely, a late 3rd).

      Can a 3rd rounder come in and give us 1,000 yds, 10TDs (while drawing coverage), and the off-season program Bmarsh leads in the next 2-3 years?

      What’s the Bears’ plan? To win now, or in 3 years?

      • John Doe

        He is not willing to do what the new head coach and GM are asking him to do — quit the tv show.

        Nothing more than that. It is a tell to new coach and GM that football is not his top priority. He is talking in the media about coaches who will let him do the show.

        Either you get on with the program or you are out. No matter how big a star you are.

        I like the new regime.

        • How do you know Marshall is not willing to quit his tv show?
          Lemming?

          • John Doe

            He said it while talking to reporters a few days after meeting with Pace and Fox for the first time. He said the show is important to him.

          • Oh, well if that’s the case, then see ya, Marshall.

            Go make yourself a product elsewhere.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            or he said that just to see what kind of push back he would get and what he could be getting away with. it was awhile ago that he stated that, if he backed down, I can’t see that being the only reason he is being shopped.

          • John Doe

            Well both Pace and Fox said at the combine that Marshall needs to focus on football. The implication was clear.

            There are many reasons they want Marshall out including some of the things he did last year but make no mistake his insistence on doing the show is a factor.

          • Bender McLugh

            has he said it since? I hadn’t seen anything

        • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

          I am also happy with a regime that tells that primadonna “my way or the highway”

      • BerwynBomber

        “I don’t get it, but I’m not in the locker room.”

        That, IMV, is the key element in all this, even more than this much-discussed TV show. For all we know half the locker room hates his guts. The prevailing wisdom on DBB is that Briggs checked out because of butthurt over Lovie. But he also may have checked out because, after years of being in lockerroms ruled by the likes of Kruetz and Lach, he got a taste of one ruled by BM and said fuck this. Btw, I’m not defending Briggs here. But I do think that reason for his checking out is plausible.

        In terms of replacing BM’s production with a third rounder, well of course not but you’re talking salary equations here. We would have to see what the Bears would spend the BM money on to truly know what we replaced him with. This also applies to Forte and especially the vastly overpaid Cutty.

        Btw, I’m agnostic when it comes to BMarsh. He is a wonderful receiver — best in Bears history — but I could also see his act wearing thin. Quickly.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Like I’ve said in the last thread….Fox will not coach this team as if thinking “We’re not going to be good, so be it….better picks in draft next year!” Fox will coach this team up, and if it happens that the team piles up the wins, then so be it.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          you ain’t beating Rogers with ‘so be it’.

      • SC Dave

        I imagine the plan is to build an organizational and locker room culture of accountability.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      ahahahha. That ain’t gonna happen.

      Trade him ? That’s impossible.

    • Frank Schoenburg

      I don’t like it. B-Marsh is a beast and I want him in a Bears uniform for the next 3 years!

  • Sactowns#1

    Trade down! You can get good defenders in the teens so why not get an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick? We need a lot of guys on the D side so an extra pick couldn’t hurt.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      I agree….we need more draft picks. There’s really no one at 1-10 that screams “THIS IS THE GUY!” for the direction the Bears are headed without having to pony up an arm and a leg. Get more picks, stabilize the team. If they can trade down to the 11-16 to get a very good player and add more picks, then great

      • Bender McLugh

        more 2-4th rd picks preferrably, not 5-7th

    • Depends who’s on the board. Most of the top notch pass-rushers will be gone by #10.
      Plus, nearly everyteam is trying to trade, quite possibly from the Titan’s at #2, so might not be much of a market to trade up (unless you’re the eagles).

      However, every year about 3 teams do trade up, so we never know.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      No. The Bears need 3 starters on D. At least 2 have to be big time.

      They have the money to sign a S and an ILB and draft an OLB.

  • John Doe

    Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 32m32 minutes ago

    Big question for the Bears will be whether or not they’ll be willing to release Marshall because in a buyer’s market trade return is limited

    Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 26m26 minutes ago

    Glut of options at WR position taking shape as outlined a week ago here. Too many bloated contracts: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25083906/nfl-free-agency-sorry-wide-receivers-but-its-a-buyers-market

  • John Doe

    NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Thursday that the Bears are exploring a potential trade of the talented wide receiver, according to a source informed of the team’s plans. The effort to move Marshall is an attempt by new general manager Ryan Pace and coach John Fox to “clean up the locker room,” according to Rapoport.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000476641/article/bears-exploring-a-trade-of-brandon-marshall?campaign=Twitter_atn

    • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

      And by “clean up” he means “less drama”.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Which, apparently, is the opposite of what Chip Kelly is creating in Philly.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Clean up the locker room? Then get that gunslinger the hell out of there. Like his attitude or not, if we dump Brandon Marshall for a 4th/5th round pick then woe are we. There goes our entire passing game and Forte makes a new record of 150 receptions next year.

      Upside = we won’t be winning 5 games next season and so we’ll have another good draft position.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 21m21 minutes ago
    It’s no secret that all three of Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, and Matt Forte are on the market. Just a matter of what they can get. #Bears

    • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

      I’d like to personally congratulate you Johnny Dough, for getting this blog re-focused on football and knocking off the stupid drama queens and Eeyores who were all too happy to derail the discussions.

      • John Doe

        Thanks!

        I think 2-3 dudes left yesterday bitching and moaning that this blog has been ruined.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          I’ve been a regular for about 5 years, and commenting for 3….I’m not going anywhere. However, I am curious….does anyone know what happened to MB????

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            He was over sexed by deliciously tan & toned 20-something ladies and his groin exploded. Sad.

          • AlbertInTucson

            But what a way to go.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            Only bested by first motorboating Kate Upton’s titties then jumping out of a plane over ISIS HQ with no chute firing a SAW all the way down to the bunker.

          • Bender McLugh

            Kate “COW” Upton – MB, circa last year or so

          • He’s still alive and banging hot poon in SD, so I’m not shedding a tear for that bastard!

            But he did leave mainly cuz of Eeyore.
            Some are getting to that point over our Romanian brethren.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “When in Rome, do as the Romainians do.”?

          • Cheat?

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            Steal Mercedes Benzes and file the VINs off?

          • BillW

            My fault, as I feared. Wish it wasn’t so (seriously) since he was a beloved member of this community.

            I haven’t posted for a while because I really have no opinions on draft choices. I don’t follow college ball enough and even if I did the correlation between success in college and pros seems shaky.

            I trust Pace and Fox and I’m willing to give them 3 years to contend. Obviously hopefully sooner.

          • DaMurph

            He’s alive and well, busy planning for guests coming to SD for the Bears Vs Chargers game

        • Irish Sweetness

          Only by their bitching and moaning.

      • BillW

        Hey – there is one and only one official Eeyore on this board and I haven’t posted in quite some time!

  • AlbertInTucson

    I like Marshall as a competitor and a talented receiver. However, if he insists on butting heads with the new regime over his INSIDE THE NFL gig, he’s just begging to be jettisoned.

    • BearDown100393

      Inside the NFL is missing the mark here. Marshall does have something to offer in terms of living life on and off the field, his experiences with mental therapy and so forth. This could all be taped during the off season. It would add a unique dimension to the program. If the producers recognize media talent within him, help fix the situation. Regardless of where he plays, should he continue with the show, a line (imaginary or real) will be crossed between being a member of a team and his media persona. He is still a young guy who might not see the full picture (and problem) with the current situation. There could be a compromise here if all sides are willing to work toward it.

      • Bender McLugh

        agreed.

  • willbest

    Yesterday it was pointed out to me that there probably isn’t a lot of trade value for Marshall given the state of the WR market. Which means you are unlikely to get anywhere near what he is worth to have on the roster.

    I think the idea that players are being shopped is overblown. Everything is for sale/trade if the price is right. This is particularly true if a new GM/HC come to town. I bet nearly all of these are leaks from other organizations that called Pace up the second he got the job seeing what kind of discounts they could ferret out from a green GM. As has been pointed out all the talk does is serve to lower trade value for players, and that isn’t in the Bears best interest.

    • John Doe

      Kevin Fishbain8m
      *usually* when there are reports of a team trying to trade a player, he’ll be cut if no trade occurs. Remember, deep FA/Draft class of WRs.

      • Yes but since the WR class is that deep, why would another team trade a 3rd for a 31 yr old “crazy” Bmarsh?

        Only if a team is in win now mode, I suppose.

        • John Doe

          Yes, the only reason a team will trade for Marshall will be if absolutely fits their scheme and need and they don’t want to take a chance on competing with other teams when he is cut.

          I think Pace might settle even for a 5th rounder.

        • willbest

          The Colts would probably love BMarsh to pair with TY Hilton. And he blocks too which means they might be able to get something that looks like a run game going and take some pressure off Luck, but then its a question of what else they could do with that money.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Imagine soemone offered you Brandon for a 5th rounder? Can’t see too many people passing up that deal. They let him do his show and they have a stud receiver for peanuts.

    • BerwynBomber

      Again, you’re missing the point here. The trade value of all these big veteran contacts is almost NEVER going to be the draft pick or player received in return. Instead, it is the hypothetical 3rd round draft pick (rookie contract) and the money saved for FAs or re-signing existing players on the remaining roster.

      There is rarely a Brandon Marshall for, say, Andre Johnson trade. More often than not it is about picking up what you can while shedding salary.

      • willbest

        But by that logic it is foolish because the Bears don’t need cap space. Unless they are going after suh they have more money than they can spend. And if you break out “save it for next year” then you are deliberately being less competitive than you can be this year.

        You don’t just trade Marshall to get rid of the headache of having him and saving yourselfs 7.5 million. And this draft class might be deep at WR, but the Bears aren’t using a top 3 pick to get one.

        • BerwynBomber

          Why wouldn’t they desire more cap space? Hell, you save extra money maybe you lock in Long or Jeffrey prematurely. Or you pick up an extra FA or build the bank to make a run at Suh.

          If they increase their cap space # are you saying it is a bad thing?

          • willbest

            Bears can’t negotiate with Long until after his 3rd season, and because he is a first rounder they have a 5th season option on him (at a really favorable rate since he wasn’t a top 10 pick).

            And its not an issue of getting cap space. Its a question of what you can do with the cap space once you have it. Look at Oakland who has had to grossly overpay subpar FA because of too much cap space.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair enough about Long but calling up Oakland as a “see this is what happens if you have too much cap space” is kind of a silly.

            Heck, we’ve vastly overpaid for players ourselves in the past, both existing (see Cutler, J) and on the FA market (Allen, J).

          • willbest

            The NFL has pretty much established that you pay a guy like Cutler 16-18 mil a year. We keep going back and forth on this, but the only real gripe you ever present is the 3 year commitment, not the 18 million.

            Allen was a bit unfortunate. Dude had pneumonia which took him out of it for a month, and after that the Bears spent so much time down by a lot that he was no longer able to do what he was paid to do (rush the passer). And of course now we are changing schemes to something he doesn’t do so its unlikely he will ever be able to vindicate himself in the eyes of the Chicago fanbase.

            Personally, I was more annoyed with paying a run stuffing DE pass rushing DE money, and then watch the nitwit tear his ACL celebrating a meaningless sack against a backup QB

          • John Doe

            “you pay a guy like Cutler 16-18 mil a year.”

            this is wrong. Peyton Manning agreed to play for $15 million this year that goes up to 19 million if he wins Super Bowl.

            Which means Cutler deserves $9-10 million and not a penny more.

          • willbest

            Based on which economic theory? Or is this your own feel good sort. Because the real world data clearly demonstrates you aren’t anywhere near being right.

          • John Doe

            So you think Jake Cutler deserves more money than Peyton Manning?

            Ok.

          • totally different situations. Guaranteed $$ on Peyton’s deal was already paid out, so he wouldn’t get another dime if the Broncos cut him. He had no leverage, Cutler has a lot because it’s early in his deal.
            Peyton now is equivalent to Cutler in 2 years in terms of the contract situations.

          • John Doe

            When has Jake Cutler ever produced like Peyton Manning?

          • I was not comparing them as players. I was merely pointing out their contract situations are different.
            Cutler has produced like Stafford, Smith, Kaepernick, Eli, etc., all of whom have similar contracts to him.

          • willbest

            Jay Cutler deserves every dollar that somebody is willing to pay him so long as he performs his obligations as he has agreed to them and provided he has not coerced or fraudulently induced the other party into the contract.

            Ignore Cutler’s contract. Assume the Bears cut him and he is a free agent. Do you truly believe in your heart of hearts, that he is going to get paid less than Carson Palmer’s 16.5 mil/yr and 20.5 mil guaranteed (which like Cutler’s contract then has the rest of his 2016 salary guaranteed 5 days into the new season)? I think you believe he would get more than that even though you hate that he would.

            As for Peyton Manning and his reduction in salary, he is playing for different priorities.

          • SC Dave

            As one of libertarian bent, I could not possibly pass this by without a thumbs up for that first paragraph.

          • BerwynBomber

            “The NFL has pretty much established that you pay a guy like Cutler 16-18 mil a year. We keep going back and forth on this, but the only real gripe you ever present is the 3 year commitment, not the 18 million.”

            Nonsense. Anytime you a) make J. Cutler the highest paid player in the league, and b) give him A. Rodgers money it is beyond inane. $54 guaranteed for Jay Cutler looks like a huge mistake right now.

            What we keep going back and forth about is that you keep brining up awful contracts and saying “see, this is normal, hence Jay’s salary is okay.”

          • willbest

            They aren’t awful contracts. They are market rates. Its the new NFL, Salary caps 143 mil will be 150mil + next year. A top 16 NFL QB makes 16-18 million a year. And stop talking about the guaranteed. Its not relevant unless the guy gets injured. He played every game last year he was told to play, and he played it in the same manner he played it for 9 years. Cutler gave you exactly who he was.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’ll stop talking about something when I decide to not when you tell me.

            In terms of the guaranteed money, it is very relevant. No guaranteed money means ownership can cut a player and not pay a dime. It also makes a guy lot more tradeable when the guaranteed number is lower. They can move on with much less pain and effort.

          • willbest

            Fine. Your guaranteed argument, holds zero weight with me. So talk about it all you like. I will continue to ignore it.

          • John Doe

            It is not a question of whether Pace and Fox need more cap space.

            It is simply a matter of creating a roster made up of players they want. Pace and Fox are not committed to any of the guys signed by the previous regime. And they are happy to get rid of guys with any major side issues like Marshall. It just gives them more cap space to bring the players they want.

          • willbest

            Yes and no. The NFL sets up a system where money is a limited resource. Which means you can’t just burn everything in a dumpster fire and be okay. So they are beholden to the previous regimes moves to the extent they cannot effectively dispose of what they left them.

        • BerwynBomber

          “And if you break out “save it for next year” then you are deliberately being less competitive than you can be this year.”

          How do you know that? Bears were 5-11 last year. For all you know, they shed Cutty, BMarsh and Forte and replace them with cast-offs and still go 6-10 or 7-9. I would not read into any “save it for next year” plan as an indication they will be deliberately less competitive than 2014.

          • willbest

            Its about intentions. They intended to be competitive in 2014, and weren’t. If you carry 10+ million with you into 2016, then you aren’t intending to be the best team that you can be.

        • this is a move made for off-field concerns, not on-field ones.

    • Bender McLugh

      I wouldn’t doubt cell phone records are leaked……BLACKHAT!

    • The Marshall rumors were just rumors to me until Briggs reported it this morning. Once it becomes public like that, he’s as good as gone, IMO.
      You never get much return for a guy in that situation given age and contract. Some contender will get a steal by giving up a late round pick for 2-3 years of high quality WR production.
      New brass continuing to distance themselves from the 2014 nightmare.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Welcome to the 2015 nightmare !!!

        At least we have cap space. Like the Titans.

        • definitely not a good move in terms of on-field production, but I can live with them trading him if they deem it necessary for the health of the locker room.

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

    Brian Urlacher writing a book is about as believable as @adamjahns playing free safety for the Bears next season.

    The book is called “My time with the play of the football game I played.”

    It’s an autobiography.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 2m2 minutes ago
    From what I’m told theres going to be some bold moves made this offseason and I can only assume most won’t like it on the surface. Buckle up

    • Johnnywad

      I once opened a fortune cookie that said “Stressed and far too busy? Take a vacation.” Kinda felt like I got screwed out of a decent fortune. It was far better than that tweet and subsequent post.

      If I walked across the street and asked my neighbor to tell me what’s happening in the world of the NFL, she could do better. She’s 83 and dying.

      lemming
      [lem-ing]
      noun
      1.
      any of various small, mouselike rodents of the genera Lemmus, Myopus, and Dicrostonyx, of far northern regions, as L. lemmus, of Norway, Sweden, etc., noted for periodic mass migrations that sometimes result in mass drownings.

      • I once cracked opened a fortune cookie, and it read:

        “Learn Chinese!”

        Touche, fortune cooke, touche…

        • Johnnywad

          Fortune cookies 2. Johnny and Butch none.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          thats funny considering fortune cookies were invented in the United States

          • Not to mention there is no “Chinese” language.

            There’s mandarin and cantonese and a bunch of other regional languages. That’s like saying, “Learn Esperantu!”

            Oh, wait…

          • Irish Sweetness

            I was thinking of posting that Butch ! But I don’t know what that says about me…. or you.

            We are beautiful and perfect creatures of God. There.

  • Bender McLugh

    who the F is Aaron Leming and why should I care

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      he is an idiot and don’t bother to care

    • SC Dave

      John Doe’s twitter account

  • Guest

    Marshall is a Charger.

    • John Doe

      Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 1h1 hour ago
      So it seems… RT @BrianCoz: Tis the season for fake twitter accounts. Beware.

      • BearDown100393

        Damn, that was me and tried to delete it. It is a fake. Fake like a Leming….

  • I would be a fan of Beasley. Very good pass rusher. Best in the class, IMO. Though I worry about him holding up against the run.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      “Very good pass rusher.”

      What makes you say that ? Is he a complete pass rusher ? Are his skills at a professional level ?

      • based on watching film of all the top guys. I’ve seen Beasley use a variety of moves, rush inside or out, and play at a high level against NFL-caliber OL (like Cam Erving and Corey Robinson).

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I have no clue in reading college players. I have no clue who these guys are. My only weapon is my instinct. I’m usually right on the WRs…last 3 years I liked Jeffery, Allen (chargers) and Beckam while watching those lame NFL Network clips. I can read swagger and ballers.

          My instinct on Vic Beasley is that I’m a little dubious. A cold, arctic read.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The only feeling I get about college players is on the QBs. Tebow. Manziel. Winston is next. We badly need a pass rusher but it will be so hard to pass on Scherff. This is the other big reason we need to move Cutty – he’s the only way we get another first rounder. You get a Randy Gregory AND a Landon Collins, or Scherff, or whoever, and you’re feeling pretty good before it’s round two.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            They aren’t getting a 1st rd for Cutler. The max is a 4th-5th rd.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Then he’s not worth trading.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Marshall aren’t worth cutting neither.

            The NFL is a strange world. Remember that.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Here’s a vid of Jefe’s tweener.

          He looks quick, against school kids anyway …

  • If you compare Cutler’s deals to Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, of course he is overpaid.
    But if you look at the market as a whole, he’s in line with comparable QBs.
    Here’s what’s changed: from 2000-2002, an average of 4 QBs per year had cap hits that were at least 10% of the salary cap.
    The last 2 years, that number has jumped to 14, and it will only go up in the next few years as guys like Luck, Wilson, Cam, and Tannehill get off rookie deals (not to mention new deals for Eli, Ben, Rivers).
    When teams find a guy, even if he’s just a guy and not great, they pay him a shit-ton of $$ to stick around. Whether or not that’s smart is debatable, but it is definitely how the NFL operates today.

    • John Doe

      Doesn’t matter. I am willing to bet now that Cutler will traded or simply cut. It is someone else’s problem.

      He ain’t coming back to Soldier Field wearing a Bears jersey.

      Why? Because if Fox and Pace had any small inclination of working with Jake Cutler, they would not have let things unfold the way they have over the past 7-8 weeks. Am willing to bet they have decided he is not in their plans. at all. even in 2015.

      • history suggests it’s likely Cutler will be here 1-2 more years while they try to find his replacement, but we’ll see if that pans out.

        • John Doe

          Screw history. Just observe the words and actions of GM and Head Coach.

          No rational GM or Head Coach who intends to have a productive relationship with the most important, the highest paid player on the team – the QB- would treat them this way unless they are planning to get rid of them.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Pace and Fox have no history at the Bears, and George/Ted ‘seem’ to have stepped back.

      • Bender McLugh

        Cut? are you Barb?

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    The Bears have 0 leverage when it comes to Cutler, Marshall and Forte.

    That’s why the stick tactic they used is giving me a little paranoia in regard to my trust of the direction this shit is going.

    The only one they could trade is Cutler, but I really, really doubt it. Not after how they ‘played’ the situation.

  • John Doe

    So there will not be Brandon Marshall camp in Miami for WRs this year now that he is on his way out. In fact, there is no news of any team members getting together like last year.

    And by the time the whole team gathers for its first voluntary offseason program under John Fox, it might be a very different team.

    If you remember Marc Trestman started voluntary offseason program on April 2 in 2013 when he was the new head coach of the Bears. This year teams with new head coaches can begin on April 6.

    But John Fox has scheduled first voluntary offseason program the week of the draft. In fact that program will wrap just hours before the draft begins. April 28-30 is the first time John Fox will see the team on the field.

    Curious if John Fox scheduled this so late (it is the latest they could have scheduled before rookies come in early May) because he wanted to give Ryan Pace maximum time to trade out players they don’t want and don’t plan to work with them anyway and so pushed out the first practice as much as possible.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Maybe he can’t focus on both.

    • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

      I think that’s correct.

    • willbest

      It could be that as this is John Fox’s 3rd rodeo he doesn’t feel he needs to start this early.

      It could be that in his experience it doesn’t do a lot of good, because the coaches are still in the process of finalizing their schemes and there is no point in teaching people things that they end up changing a month later.

      It could be that he is getting all the information he needs from his players in individual meetings throughout the month.

      The question that would reveal anything might be the what did Fox do when he got to Denver, not what did Trestman do.

      • Big Mike

        Bam

      • Johnnywad

        You’re getting in the way of his “everybody’s being traded and the whole thing is fucked” narrative.

    • Big Mike

      First I’ve read that. I’m surprised that he would sacrifice 22 days of OTAs. Or are they not sacrificing the number of days, just when they start? So more condensed.

      If the latter is the case, I’m all for it. It is also a testament to Fox’s experience. Trestman was chomping at the bit like a rookie HC. Fox’s is confident in his approach.

      • John Doe

        Early start is always better. The main advantage being that coaches hand off the playbook to the players so that they learn the new language and plays.

        It is especially important for QB. But I guess Fox and Pace are stll trying to “get to know Cutler as a person.”

        I don’t know how getting to know is possible when Cutler is holed up in Tennessee..may be they are just getting to know trade partners.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          yes in this day and age the only way to communicate with someone not in person is through the telegraph, or smoke signals. one of these days i hope they invent something that allows better communication.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Two-a-days in full-bang full-pads. Roll it Ditka-style.
        “Practice like you play” – GSH.

  • FourFeathers

    Apparently some fans forget that the Bears were a BAD football team in 2014 and, in truth, in need of a FULL-SCALE REBUILD. Ryan Pace and John Fox aren’t stupid…they aren’t going to slap lipstick on the pig that is the Bears roster and pretend this team can quickly contend. And lets face it, Brandon Marshall is a whack job who has ZERO PLAYOFF appearances in his career. ZERO. And this for a guy who wore out his welcome in Denver and Miami before doing the same here.
    Dump Marshall. Or cut Marshall. I agree and I get it. Start the rebuild and don’t really worry about the no-nothing meatheads who have deluded themselves into thinking the Bears can be a solid playoff contender in 2015.

    • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

      Chief FourFingers –

      You will get your wish.

      • FourFeathers

        Look, honestly the Bears are going to be real bad in 2015. Maybe as bad as a 3 or 4 win team. I want Pace and Fox to rebuild this thing the RIGHT way…not delude themselves on this roster that has very few “core” pieces that you can build around. If I had my preference then Cutler and Marshall would be GONE. And I would also trade the classy and productive Forte for a mid-round draft pick if I could find it, because Forte is already a 7 year veteran and backs don’t age well. LEts face it, Forte is not going to be part of any future winning team in Chicago…time will run out for him before Pace / Fox can make that happen under even the most optimistic of scenarios.
        I like Pace. He’s not going to live in denial on things and is committed to rebuild.

        • John Doe

          Thank you for clear-headed thinking.

          Most Bears fans are going nuts over their darlings Cutler,Marshall, Forte being shopped around.

          “How/who will replace that production?” they scream. Well, if Pace does end doing this, it is not about 2015. It is about the long-term.

        • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

          When a patient has bone cancer AND lung cancer AND a brain tumor, you don’t bother operating. You send them home with the name of a florist and a funeral home.

          That was the 2014 Chicago Bears. Bad, top to bottom. The whole thing needs to be ripped out and totally rebuilt and restarted.

          That’s what there seems to be a stomach and a bank account ready to do. George likes to walk amongst the fans, remember a fan pushed him down the stairs, so he is motivated to Rocky Wurtz this fucker.

          • willbest

            Wasn’t it an opposing teams fan that was pushing him?

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            It was some fat fuck lawyer from Florida. I don’t recall if he was a Bears fan or a Saints fan or what it was. He may have been a Saints fan.

            I wonder if that fat fuck has been sued down by the McCaskey machine yet.

          • Irish Sweetness

            1. Cutty is an arrogant QB who hurts his team as much as he helps them. A lesser QB who protects the ball gives you a better chance of winning. Ergo Cutty is not a requirement for this team.

            2. Matt Forte is a pass-catching halfback who is extremely average between the tackles. He is not a requirement for our ground game, and your HB should not be catching 100 balls in a season, your Wideout should.

            3. Brandon Marshall is a stud, and keeps defenses honest and gives life and space to Alshon Jeffrey. He is Jeffrey’s noon and sun, his north, south, east and west. BM is a requirement for this offense to move the chains. Are we that hard up for a likely 4th/5th round pick ?

          • Irish Sweetness

            “When a patient has bone cancer AND lung cancer AND a brain tumor, you don’t bother operating.”

            Don’t they prescribe an outrageously expensive course of treatment for each one, charge it to your insurance company, then boot you out the door as quickly as they can?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Bet your ass we’ll be bad if just plain cut the best wide receiver in Bears’ history.

          Again, Jeffrey DISAPPEARS when they double him, and we don’t have anyone else you can really get excited about. Uni? Miller? Maybe, but Cutty couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn if he was inside the barn.

    • Big Mike

      What 2014 points out is how slim the difference between very good and very bad are. Coming out of 2014 free agency period and draft the Bears were tagged as a very good team. While that may have been optimistic, being terrible was really not on the radar. A few things went bad, all the bad escalated and snowballed.

      Fast forward a year, everyone is lumping the Bears in with no talent, no potential suck ass teams. Equally wrong in my book.

      • willbest

        Fans are bipolar.

        • AlbertInTucson

          They root for the BI-POLAR BEARS.

          • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

            See kids? When Al goes for the two handed pun slam dunk, we ALL get to see how it should be done. Like Jordan in his prime.

          • AlbertInTucson

            You’re too kind. That was a hanging curve ball just waiting to be launched!

      • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

        I think the Bears have far less talent on that roster then people want to let themselves believe.

        • willbest

          Well football is a game of momentum. Look at the cardinals. They had no earthly business being that good. Their YPC and YPA weren’t great even before they lost both QBs. They lost key pieces of their defense to start the season. But they brought it every week and believed it.

          • John Doe

            Indeed football is a game of momentum. Bears had the momentum of a shit storm in 2014. All bad things came together..bad coaches, bad players, bad characters, highest paid QB who does not lead etc. etc.

          • FourFeathers

            Just stop. The talent gaps on this roster are massive. Yes, Trestman was a trainwreck. But the talent overall sucks. And Cutler has burned through so many offensive coordinators and has had 6 years to prove he is a capable leader and a quality QB…he has utterly failed on both fronts.

        • FourFeathers

          Agree 100%. We have virtually nothing at LB outside of maybe Jones, same in the secondary with the excepton of Fuller. Houston was a bust. Young might miss next season. Ratliff is 34 years old. Allen doesn’t fit the next system and is old. Cutler is an enigmatic coach killer. Marshall is a whack job. Forte is 30. Long is the only true longer term answer on the offensive line.
          Pace / Fox have a MAJOR talent gap to address and this is most definitely a rebuilding job.

      • John Doe

        Bears have been “winning” free agency for the last 3 years. Overpaid aging primadonnas like Marshall, Cutler, Allen are not going to make you a good team.

        You cannot be a good team consistently unless you “win” in the draft consistently.

        And that is why Bears is a suck ass, very little talent team today.

        • willbest

          Winning the draft lets you go out and buy a merc like Revis. Because you are saving money on competent starters. Denver was full of mercenaries and they did alright.

          What you can’t have happen is to cripple yourself in the draft like the way the Bears did from 2009 to 2012. Emery really had no choice but to go get some mercenaries.

          • John Doe

            And that is why Cutler trade hurt so much. 2 first rounders and 3rd rounder.

            And because he was not accurate and needs big targets, they had to get his then buddy Brandon Marshall for two 3rd rounders.

            Bears came up empty in that they were not able to win anything after spending so much on those two guys and now have to simply get rid of them.

          • willbest

            I don’t have a problem with either of those trades because Angelo wasn’t doing anything with his draft picks anyway.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ??? Marshall’s problem now? He’s a @#$! stud that we stole from a baby’s pram.

        • FourFeathers

          100% correct

  • John Doe

    ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk · 6m6 minutes ago
    Age, contract, production, reputation will make Brandon Marshall hard for the Bears to trade http://wp.me/p14QSB-9IL1

    • willbest

      It is a fair assessment in that you have Welker, Hartline, Maclin, Royal, Nicks, Jones, Cobb, Carbtree, etc all available without having to give up a draft pick. But I do take issue with the claim he isn’t a top 16 WR any longer. Dude got 60 catches and 700 yards playing on 1 leg in an offense that consisted primarily of checking down to Forte before a collapsed lung finally put him on IR. Just because a couple rookie WRs had some standout seasons doesn’t mean they are going to all of a sudden be better than BMarsh.

      • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

        But you have no idea how well he’s come back from those broken ribs.

        It took all the fight out of Earl Bennett. I know that.

        • Johnnywad

          Earl also lacerated his liver on that play.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It wasn’t just Brandon playing on one wheel, you KNOW Cutty wasn’t give him his fair looks. Trouble in paradise. The bromance had ended.

  • John Doe

    Good call, Pace.

    Jen Lada @JenLada · 4m4 minutes ago

    Sources confirm Lance Briggs will not be returning to the #Bears next season. #NFL

    • willbest

      Well that was a no brainer. If Pace had screwed that one up then George needs to go because he clearly isn’t capable of finding a competent GM.

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd
    • AlbertInTucson

      Mrs. Cutler has taken better pictures. Her head looks too big for her body in that one.

  • BerwynBomber

    SportsCenter’s top story on their dinner hour broadcast was the Brandon Marshall trade rumors. Spent five minutes on it. If the Bears don’t squash shit now, gotta imagine he is indeed gone.

    • John Doe

      The general rule is by the time the word gets out that a team is looking to trade player X, they have already looked around and are not finding any takers.

      When these kind of rumors get out, it is simply the last step before player X is cut.

      • I don’t like this precedent.
        Say what you will about Emery, but no leaks or trade rumors under this watch.
        As a matter of fact, he ran a pretty cloak and dagger operation.

        Not sure if this is a good trend for the reason you stated.

        Gotta maximize leverage.

        • John Doe

          this is standard operating procedure for all teams/GMs. Just a few days ago, Texans leaked the word that Andre Johnson is being shopped and then was cut a few days later.

          There are many other players in the same boat today. Standard operating procedure.

          • It is SOP, for bad teams, IMO.

            It’s better to do it like the Eagles. Bam. Trade. Good bye. Even Shady was caught off gaurd, but at least there weren’t weeks of “Shady to Bills” rumors beforehand, creating a hostile environment.

            If that trade wouldn’t have gone down, then Shady and Kiko would’ve been oblivious, and no harm done.

            As it is with Bmarsh, His value is being driven down and we almost HAVE to unload him (unless we do some major damage control).

          • John Doe

            But Pace might have been trying for weeks. No team would bite it seems. I think Pace is smart enough to not start trade talks by first leaking to media.

            Leaking to media is always the last resort. And it is good in a way to give the player a heads up.

          • BerwynBomber

            Good point about the blocking. In terms of education, I sense all the Cheese receivers are required to graduate from Rodgers U, which is a more prestigious university. Or as I mentioned before, a great QB can serve as a player development program for all the skill guys on your O.

        • John Doe

          By the way, emery did the exact same thing with Earl Bennett in 2013. Shopped him before final cuts, did not find takers and then was cut in late August.

  • Sactowns#1

    Wilfork hitting the market. There are a lot of miles on those tires but might still be some tread left.

    • John Doe

      Doesn’t make sense for either side. Wilfork would be good for a contending team..Ravens, Colts.

      Bears are already one of the oldest rosters in NFL and have 34 year Ratliff. Enough with 30+ guys. Plenty of run stuffing NTs in the draft.

  • Here’s a scenario for all you on the get rid of Bmarsh band wagon:

    We cut Bmarsh. The Packers sign him to replace Cobb for much cheaper.

    Imagine an angry, motivated, road-grading Bmarsh catching passes in full stride twice a year.

    • Not to mention improving that WR corps every off-season, chiseling them into a machine to match Rodger’s deadly accuracy.

    • John Doe

      Doesn’t matter what we *fans* think.

      If Pace and Fox don’t want him, then he should be gone. Can’t worry about him joining Packers or anyone else.

      Once Pace and Fox have decided he is not worth the trouble, trade or cut is the only way.

      • It’s not about FEELINGS, but on field production. Marshall on the Pack would be a nightmare for us.

        Look at Pepp on the pack, and he was much more passed his prime than Bmarsh.

        • John Doe

          Bears are quite a ways away from competing with Packers. Marshall joining Packers and scoring a bunch of TDs will not bother me.

          I want players on the team who are totally committed to the program set by the GM and Head Coach without any exception.

          • I guess I don’t like conceding two games and the division to the Pack every year no matter how much we suck.
            call me crazy

          • willbest

            Next year has special meaning. If they win the next 2 they tie the record with us.

          • BerwynBomber

            But if they lose Cobb and gain Marshall it might still count as a net loss for them in terms of production, though the one thing Marshall would give Rodgers is legit red zone weapon. As good as Nelson and Cobb are, neither of them are winning jump balls corner fades or blocking guys out via their size. That is one area where the Cheese O has struggled a bit.

            As disappointing as our O was last year, BMarsh/Alshon were still the best red zone tandem in the game.

          • Not to mention Bmarsh’s run blocking that will spring Lacy or a scrambling Rodgers.

            As well as Bmarsh U to make those WRs even better. They always have dangerous young WRs on the wing that can be even more fine tuned by Bmarsh.

          • BerwynBomber

            Good point about the blocking. In terms of education, I sense all the Cheese receivers are required to graduate from Rodgers U, which is a more prestigious university. Or as I mentioned before, a great QB can serve as a player development program for all the skill guys on your O.

          • Irish Sweetness

            And we’re apparently going to piss it all away for a meaningless draft pick … because Brandon cares about winning and wants his team-mates to be held accountable … wait ….

      • Irish Sweetness

        But in particular, if you trade him (the insane option – see what I did there?) … then he MUST NOT be traded to the Green Bay Packers (or the Lions).

    • some smart contender will give up a late round pick and have one of the 5 best WRs in the NFL catching passes for them next year.

    • Irish Sweetness

      This. And with an accurate QB hitting him 15 times in the game for about three scores. After getting him for a 5th rounder. In the game that puts us out of contention.

      This.

  • John Doe

    Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL · 8m8 minutes ago
    RT @InsideNFLMedia: “Teams certainly know that Jay Cutler is available if they want him for the right price.” – @RapSheet on Jay Cutler

  • John Doe

    Adam Hoge:

    But be careful. Your expectations for a potential Brandon Marshall trade should remain low. It won’t be easy to move a 30-year-old wide receiver carrying a $9.5 cap hit, three hip surgeries and an unlimited amount of baggage.

    And don’t forget about Marshall’s TV show, which could easily stand in the way of a trade. Marshall maintains he would like to continue to travel to New York on Tuesdays during the season to film Showtime’s “Inside The NFL” and it’s unclear how many teams would be willing to put up with that. My guess? Not many.

    Any team interested in Marshall would hold more leverage regarding the television show if the wide receiver was unemployed on the open market — and they’d likely get him for less than the current $9.5 cap hit that would carry over in a trade.

    http://wgnplus.com/2015/03/05/hoge-quick-thoughts-on-brandon-marshall-marcus-mariota-rumors/

    • NewBearInTown

      Jets?

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Done deal…

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yes it will be fucking easy.

      Are we trying to pass off a piss-stained mattress to somebody? No – he’s a stud wide receiver at fire-sale prices !!

      “Move him ..”

      SMH.

  • John Doe

    Another cut looms?

    Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 13m13 minutes ago

    If the #Bears aren’t sold on Jay Cutler, as they’ve said publicly, his contract is an issue. $10M for ’16 becomes fully guaranteed in a week

  • John Doe

    Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 17m17 minutes ago
    The other thing on Cutler: This #Bears coaching staff is more than equipped to point him to success. If this staff can’t do it…

  • John Doe

    Jeremy Stoltz:

    “Two days ago I was told the Bears and Titans were working on a trade for Cutler. I haven’t been able to confirm it with anyone else, which is why I stayed quiet about it.

    The same source came back to me today and said it’s picking up steam.

    Rough parameters: switching picks in the 2nd and 3rd, so the Bears move up 5 spots in each round, and the Titans send their 5th to Chicago.

    Nothing concrete yet by any means.”

    • That is interesting compensation.
      At first, it seems like a rip off (for us), but that 1/2 pick at the top of the rounds, esp in the 2nd/3rd are extremely valuable. They’re essential late 1s/2nd rd picks and hold a lot of value.

      Players who “fall” can be swooped up at a bargain.

      Plus, They tend to set the tone for what follows. So if those top teams draft a HB, then there might be a run on HBs, or Safeties, or what have you, and those teams in the later rounds are left empty handed at those positions.

      Plus, having that early 2nd/3rd would almost guarantee we could snatch someone like QB Gray without much fear or having to trade up.

      Though I understand. Ten would essentially be saving the Bears from a major cap hit this year and next, as well as taking over his contract, so it’s give and take.

      Still, I would like to net at least a 4rth, plus the switch. Maybe even throw in next year’s 6th.

      • John Doe

        Don’t get too greedy. If Titans are willing to take up that contract, that’s huge in itself.

        • They can keep their 4rth if they throw in Mettenberg.
          He’ll be useless once Cutler is there.

          • John Doe

            Word is Bears are also talking to 49ers: Marshal = LB Michael Wilhoite + a draft pick

        • willbest

          No anything less than their second rounder so we can full on draft Grayson or whatever developmental QB is unacceptable.

        • again with this shit. Just stop. There are about 14 other QBs in the NFL with similar deals to Cutler’s right now. If they could find a QB like Cutler any other way than trading for him, they would give him a contract that pays him just as much as what he’s paid right now. Maybe even more, since they’d have to outbid other teams desperate for a QB better than the Matt Cassels and Josh McCowns of the world.

      • that swap would be idiotic for Chicago. Completely underselling the established value of a veteran QB of Cutler’s caliber.

        • John Doe

          Cutler’s caliber – LOL!

          If he had that much caliber, they wouldn’t be so eager to unload him.

          Pace cannot drive a hard bargain because of the contract. They will be happy that some team is ready to take that contract off Bears books.

          • I am fine with them trading Cutler. I will be pissed if they give him away like that. He’s the best QB available by a mile, and QBs are insanely valuable.

            By “Cutler’s caliber” I mean an average starting QB. Alex Smith drew 2 2nds when they HAD to trade him because they already had their guy. Alex Smith didn’t throw a single TD to a WR last year. Alex Smith is getting paid more than Jay Cutler the next 2 years.

            Hell, Carson Palmer drew a 1st and a 2nd, and he was threatening to retire if he wasn’t traded, so CIN had less leverage than Chicago does now.

            There is zero reason Cutler should draw any less than what SF got for Smith. So fine, if you only get one 2nd for him, I can live with that.

            But giving him away for a 4th round pick? That would be nothing short of completely incompetent, and anybody worth a damn would fire Pace on the spot for even considering that move.

          • John Doe

            You are not understanding asymmetric needs in these negotiations. Bears need to unload Cutler more than Titans want Cutler.

            Taking up Cutler’s contract is part of the deal. And from Bears perspective, a huge part of the deal.

            Pace is not going to jettison the whole deal and the chance to free himself of Cutler contract over a mid-round pick.

          • you’re not understanding the value of a starting QB in the modern NFL. Everything I’m laying out is based on comparable QB trades and contracts.

          • John Doe

            It doesn’t matter.

            First stipulation, they have decided to move on from Cutler as is evident from reports that they are shopping him. If he was so good, they would not be so eager to dump him. Fox and Pace do not want to work with Cutler.

            Once you accept that, then…

            For Pace and Bears, trading Cutler is much better than simply cutting him. That is pretty obvious. And thus they lose much of their leverage in trade talks.

            Sure, if Bears cut Cutler some team might sign him to even richer contract. But that is moot for Pace and Bears now. Any trading partner will have a stronger hand compared to Pace.

          • again… SF and CIN had no better leverage.

            I am not saying Cutler is great. I’m saying he is average. Which is incredibly valuable.

          • John Doe

            But you cannot view Cutler’s value in isolation.

            In a trade scenario, Cutler’s value is diminished because of the fact that Bears benefit more in a trade than outright cutting him.

          • The 49ers saved $8.5M by trading Alex Smith vs. cutting him. They had no need for him on their roster, and every incentive to trade him.

            They had less leverage than Chicago does right now because he had already been replaced, while Cutler has not. The Bears can threaten to keep Cutler if they don’t find the right value (empty threat or not). Everybody knew SF had to trade Smith.

          • willbest

            Its not even an empty threat. Nobody eats $24 million in cap just to send a message (15.5 mil for his 2015 salary + 4million accelerated roster bonus + 4.5 million paying mark sanchez/brian hoyer to be starting QB).

          • John Doe

            1. Alex Smith was much younger.
            2. Alex Smith did not have the bum reputation that Cutler has.
            3. Alex Smith did not have that big contract.

            Comparing this trade to Alex Smith trade is comparing apples to oranges.

          • willbest

            You are right, because KC had to negotiate with Alex Smith after he got off the plane and Smith just watched the 49ners give get 2nds for him. He was bargaining from a position of strength. If you trade for Cutler, you don’t have to do anything. You have him for the next 6 years.

          • 1. Alex Smith did not have the caliber of resume Cutler did (he had 1.5 years of solid play after years of being shit).
            2. Alex Smith had lost his job.
            3. KC gave Alex Smith a contract that pays him more than Cutler the next 2 years. Cutler’s contract IS NOT A DETERRENT. It is pretty much exactly his fair market value. I really don’t understand why you refuse to accept this point.

          • John Doe

            Cutler’s contract is not at fair market value BASED ON HIS PLAY.

            He is slightly better than Brian Hoyer and should be paid a million or two more per year than whatever Brian Hoyer gets in the next few weeks.

          • that is just… no.

            I’m finished with this conversation.

            Suffice it to say neither of us will change each other’s minds.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Alex Smith was, I believe, at one point, one of the very worst QBs in the league. He stank. Somebody paid him. Ergo, Cutty is worth a whole lot more.

          • The problem is, everybody knows that, what, $16M bonus kicks in this tues.

            If we don’t unload him by the 12th, we’re stuck with him for this season and next most likely, and I know you don’t want THAT.

          • if the Bears trade him, that March 12 deadline doesn’t matter at all.

            Anybody trading for him is gonna have him on the roster on March 12, so they’re taking that on anyway. It guarantees he gets that money, it doesn’t guarantee who it comes from.

            That March 12 deadline is only important for cuts, which means it’s only relevant for Brandon Marshall, according to the current rumors. After what Biggs and others reported today, I believe Marshall will be cut on March 11 if he cannot be traded.

          • Don’t the Bears (McCaskeys) save $10M if they trade him before tues?

            NFL.com’s Ian Rapoport confirms $10 million of Jay Cutler’s 2016 salary becomes guaranteed if he remains on the Bears’ roster through next Tuesday.
            It puts the Bears in an almost impossible position. They’ll have no 2015 quarterback if they decide to cut Cutler loose, but committing to Cutler for 2016 following his disappointing 2014 would be madness. Then again, the Bears don’t really have a choice. Cutler’s $15.5 million 2015 salary is already guaranteed. Few players will be more on the spot in 2015. – roto

          • from what I’ve heard from people closely following the situation, $10M of his 2016 salary becomes guaranteed on Tuesday if he’s still under that contract–on ANY roster.

            So if the Bears keep him til the draft and have Mariota fall in their laps, they can look to trade Cutler then (though it’s tough to make it work financially that late in the season cycle). That $10M is guaranteed, but it will be paid by whatever team he’s on in 2016, I believe. I’ve heard multiple local media people say that.

          • willbest

            Sure, if you consider paying somebody 15.5 million dollars to not do something for you this year saving you money. Plus you know the resulting 19.5 million cap hit and the fact that you will need to spend even more money to get somebody to do the job you were paying Cutler to not do.

            I can’t even conceive a scenario where cutting Cutler is in the best interest of the Bears. So he isn’t a locker room leader, not charismatic, and he is temperamental. When has he ever aired dirty laundry to the media? When has he done something illegal?

          • willbest

            As long as he is healthy, he is far easier to trade next year than this year. Anybody trading for him is going to use him for the year anyway so the guaranteed in 2016 will be irrelevant. Plus in 2016 his contract will be ridiculously team friendly since after the first year he stays affordable for 2 more years with injury protection and they can cut him any time.

          • BerwynBomber

            Was. But he had played well the two years before SF parted ways with him. Plus he was only 27. He was not seen as the damaged goods as Cutty.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            John, most of your “reasoning” is your personal feeling/grudge towards Jay. You are not part of the Bears team, stop speaking as if you are. This is business first, regardless of how much you think that other people “do or don’t want something”, the team will do things on a business level. If the Bears cannot get a good trade value out of Cutler, then most likely they will not cut him or get rid of him.

            If from a business standpoint that they cannot find any other way of making something happen, then so be it. People need to be prepared either way of what the outcome may be. This isn’t fantasy football…there’s more at stake than personal feelings and a six-pack of beer.

        • Trac

          I disagree. Unloading Cutler has to take place to change the culture on the team.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            This is a business first guys….they aren’t going to gut the team for the sake of changing the culture just so that they can get a crappy return value.

          • Trac

            You might be right but I wouldn’t be surprised if the sell him on the cheap.

      • Irish Sweetness

        No guarantees the guy we pick second in the second round is that much better than the guy that gets picked 5 spots later. It’s just an insane way to get rid of your QB. The only team that benefits in that situation are the Titans, who go down in history as legends after pulling what becomes known as the ‘Tennessee three-card monty’, or ‘ The Titans maneuver’.

        (Jedi wave)

        This is not the trade we are looking for.

    • Irish Sweetness

      That ‘rough parameters’ deal is German for getting ‘die hosenschaften up der wiener schnitzel’.

      Jesus Christ on a bike. Swapping picks ? Like two kids in a playground .. one of whom is retarded. FML.

      Let’s translate that back into English. That means we trade Cutty … for no extra picks. Genius! Did Jerry Angelo leak that one into the general psyche?

  • Ososfan

    I’m losing faith in Pace.Arshall is signed to a team friendly deal and is a great leader for the younger guys and veteran guys on the team, mind you, he had some little rants but I think this bum-ass Chicago media has fueled the fired for BMarsh to leave the team which is fling sad and pitiful. Smh!

    • NewBearInTown

      Gase knew Marshall in Denver. None of us is privy to what went on in that locker room and what has already gone on in Chicago. Its a personality thing. Marshall (and Bennett) are two guys who only work in certain locker rooms. If Marshall isn’t going to be a good fit, there will never be a better time to trade than right now.
      But yeah, I really don’t want him gone either.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “I’m losing faith in Pace”.

      Are you kidding?

      The guy’s been on the job for theNFL equivalent of about 10 minutes!

      • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

        Chicago fan base in a nutshell.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis
    • I don’t know how any one could be gay (NTTAWWT).

      Bouncy Thurs!

      I am Butch, and I wholeheartedly endorse this message.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis
  • FourFeathers

    Cutler has been with the Bears for 6 years and remains a coach killing enigma. He’s 32 years old and been proven time and time again to be maddening on the football field and a surly condescending jack wagon off. The Bears need to rebuild, and If they can shed Cutler now then by all means do it. Bears are going to be awful on 2015 regardless because the overall talent on this roster is awful. So if you can trade Cutler for some magic beans and cap relief, then do it. Do if and bring in a journeyman veteran while also going out a drafting a young QB that you think be the guy longer term.

    And while you are at it, trade or cut Marshall too. Time to start over and get rid of rhe distractions and rhe malcontents and the cancers. Time fo REBUILD and give Pace and Fox a couple years to see what they can do with a near blank canvas other than Alshon, Long, Fuller and precious few others.

  • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

    Packer nation, full of inbreds and carb heavy morons, is already mocking the Bears over the drama of blowing the team up.

    http://totalpackers.com/2015/03/05/no-one-likes-jay-cutler/

    I guess talking about Brandon Bostick isn’t in the plan up there.

    • BearDown100393

      Chmura jersey sightings are still common north of the state border.

  • John Doe

    Ty Youngfelt @TyYoungfelt · 16h16 hours ago
    McCoy for Kiko…win/win. Wilhoite for Marshall seems to fall in line. Starting ILB who knows the system for a WR to s team in need

    • not really comparable. Kiko is a Pro Bowler. Wilhoite is a backup/borderline starter.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Wow. Is Wilhoite a top 5 linebacker …. on his team ?

  • John Doe

    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 10m10 minutes ago
    Bears Would Settle For A Fifth-Round Pick In Return For Brandon Marshall, Likely To Cut Him If No Trade http://bit.ly/1GqxBdh

    • burntorangenavyblue

      This is stupid because then no one would trade for him if teams get wind that they will cut him anyways. Which would be even dumber too.

      • FourFeathers

        Why is it stupid? Because you’re smarter than Ryan Pace, John Fox and Adam Gase? Or is it because you are one of those fans who lives in denial on the enormity of the rebuilding job that needs to take place? Look, the Bears are going to be BAD in 2015. It’s time to start a full scale rebuilding program. Marshall has worn out his welcome in Chicago…just like he did in Denver and Miami before. He’s toxic. Get him out of here.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          I’m not claiming to be smarter than anyone…But a team will NEVER say they will cut someone if they don’t get a trade value. I never understood why anyone would make those “reports” or anyone would want to take face value of a news that starts with the handle/line as nfl_traderumors.

          • John Doe

            GMs of other teams are not stupid. They are following what is going on too and they know what is in a player’s contract too.

            Teams know Marshall’s salary $7.5 million becomes guaranteed on March 12. They know the moment Pace makes that first call to trade Marshall that Bears are prepared to cut him if the trade does not happen by March11.

            The only team that will trade for Marshall is the team that thinks he fits their need and scheme so perfectly that they would rather not risk competing with other teams when is cut and in the open market.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It will go down as one of the worst cuts in NFL history. And I will sharpen my quill, and I shall purchase some fine Winsor & Newton Indian Ink, and script the end-times of the young Mr. Pace in the most bile-ridden and vitriolic manner known to the human vernacular.

            Twice.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Toxic?

          Did he throw more interceptions and cough up the ball more than anyone in the NFL last season?

      • Irish Sweetness

        (cough)
        CHRIS HARRIS!

  • John Doe

    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 4m4 minutes ago
    Report: Brian Orakpo Won’t Be Back With Redskins http://bit.ly/1GqzaYK

  • John Doe

    Done!!

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 31m31 minutes ago

    Separate sources have confirmed that WR Brandon Marshall will be traded to the #Jets for a “late round” pick on Tuesday. #Bears

    • Trac

      Now Marshall can wear green shoes and not get fined. Hahahaha

    • Irish Sweetness

      And my Aunt Jessica calls her nipples “Franny” and “Jacinta Applebum”.

  • John Doe

    Nothin But Jets3m
    Even if Jets get Marshall, would still like them to look at receivers in mid-rounds like Dorsett, Hardy, Algahor.

    Joe Caporoso5m
    Not definitely but most likely RT @nyjetsfansonly: @TurnOnTheJets if we got him, would you say Harvin is definitely gone?

  • Bender McLugh

    Say hello to ReggieWayne?

    • John Doe

      No Thanks. Need to get younger.

      • Bender McLugh

        right, because a solid vet never helps

        • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

          Not that one.

  • John Doe

    Bernstein with details:

    Sources now say that Pace and John Fox have been dismayed by Marshall’s very public insistence on continuing to fly to New York for his weekly television show, unpleasantly surprised at his on-camera job pandering to Ravens coach John Harbaugh and disappointed that he chose to reveal information from a private meeting at a personal press conference only hours after it occurred. Perhaps most significant, however, were their conversations with teammates who found support for Marshall’s continued presence to be minimal, at best. Per one source, “No player jumped forward to say, ‘We have to have this guy.’”

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/03/06/bernstein-bears-brandon-marshall-likely-past-point-of-no-return/

    • Bender McLugh

      he leaked info from a private meeting? yeah he’s gone

    • FourFeathers

      Bottom line, let the rebuilding begin and let’s get rid of all the crap and malcontents in day 1. I’m behind Pace and Fox 100% and will be patient. This team has yet to bottom out on wins-losses on the season but really this is the only way to go. The talent gaps and dysfunction of on the current roster are huge.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Just so you know, Bernstein is a complete jerk who’s job is to berate the fans who support their jobs on live air. Also this is the same guy who is doing everything he can to berate and burn down Soldier Field because of said players that you want to see gone as well will do exactly the same thing no matter who is brought into Chicago in the future….because that’s what he does. I just don’t think he’s credible anymore because he has no respect for Chicago sports or its citizens.

      • FourFeathers

        Bernstein might be a vindictive idiot but by all accounts his reporting is fully accurate here.

  • John Doe

    Some more confirmation from a New York based site who have scooped other trades before..

    —-

    Nothin But Jets‏@nothinbutjets

    Credible? RT@DYST_Now: SOURCE: Brandon Marshall is going to the New York Jets for a mid to late round pick when they are able to trade Tue.

    Royalty Rell ‏@royaltyrell516 19m19 minutes ago

    @nothinbutjets @DYST_Now they broke the decker news and other news before

    JameisWinston2Jets ‏@nyjets76forlife 4m4 minutes ago

    @nothinbutjets @DYST_Now they broke the Decker news,Lebron back to Cle and Some other stuff

  • Bender McLugh

    vet WRs being being released – seems fair to call this the Beckham effect

  • John Doe

    It is now official…

    Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 1m1 minute ago

    Bears have agreed to trade WR Brandon Marshall to the Jets pending a physical, per league source.

    • FourFeathers

      I like it. Dump a cancer and his contract and get a low round pick. Let the rebuilding begin. Now lets dump the enigmatic Cutler.

      • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

        I just keep waiting for Waffle to come swooping in here, guns blazing like some scene from Desperado, calling us all c-words and f-words and everything else, for being so joyous that these idiots are gone.

        • Ososfan

          Fuck this shit. I’m not happy at all about the Marshall trade. Smh….

      • willbest

        You don’t rebuild with 5-7th round picks.

        • John Doe

          Rebuild doesn’t happen in 1 year. It will take this year’s draft and next year’s draft to field a solid team in 2017 season.

          • willbest

            Yes it does in football. You can’t expect to get long term production out of any player. That is why nobody gets more than 2-3 years worth of guarantees.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Well at least we’ll be picking in the top 5 next year because we will be picking up Rusty Lisch yards in the air next season, although Forte will have about 173 receptions averaging 3 yards apiece.

        • FourFeathers

          Not in one offseason. Don’t delude yourself into thinking the Bears can win a lot in 2015. Pace and Fox need to remake a roster with a crap ton of holes.

          • willbest

            If they aren’t going to get at least 8 wins, why bother.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming wins again.. Broke Fangio to Bears story and now Marshall to Jets trade.

  • willbest

    Well at least he won’t have to travel far to do his show. And the Jets love a good circus anyway. If its not at least a 4th they are giving him away.

  • Bender McLugh

    Marshall traded pending physical.

    Old School Running Attack Bears seems to be where Fox / Pace are taking this team.

    Jeffrey will be #1……Who will they target at RB to get the two or three headed attack? Without Marshall we need another RB stud outside of the one they find in the 4th or 5th round…

    • John Doe

      First things first.. Wrap up Cutler trade with Titans.

      • willbest

        Do they need to now?

        • John Doe

          Rebuild won’t start until Cutler is on the team.

          • willbest

            You worded that wrong, but a Marshalless Cutler did better than when he was here.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Well, we could draft a back and be a running team based off a top defense … in a couple of years. Cutty would benefit greatly by not throwing it much.

  • John Doe

    It is a mid round pick.. Good job, Pace!!

    Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 4m4 minutes ago

    Trade would not become official until start of the league year on Tues. Jets expected to part with mid-round pick for Marshall.

    • FourFeathers

      Reports say a 6th round pick. I’m good with this.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s daylight robbery.

  • John Doe

    Glad Aaron Leming is getting credit.. dude has legit sources.

    Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · 9m9 minutes ago

    Looks like @AaronLemingNFL had the Brandon Marshall trade first. Great scoop!

  • John Doe

    Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 16s16 seconds ago
    More moves in addition to Brandon Marshall for Chicago: QB Jimmy Clausen is re-signing with the Bears, per source.

  • John Doe

    To those making fun of Aaron Leming… even Rapoport is quoting Leming now..

    Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 19m19 minutes ago

    The #Jets have informed Brandon Marshall they are trading for him, source said (as @AdamSchefter & @AaronLemingNFL said).

    • Bender McLugh

      take it easy Billy Beane

    • Johnnywad

      Where does he pick up his Pulitzer?

      • John Doe

        The same place where you eat crow.

        • Johnnywad

          Good one. You completely fail to understand why your obsessive retweeting of some guy nobody’s ever heard of, saying shit that virtually anybody with an internet connection already knows, is ridiculous. Then you get on here and thump your chest over his stuff getting retweeted when the entire universe already knew. That’s classic stuff right there JD. Where will you channel your OCD once Cutler is traded or they announce he’s staying? I hope you find a way to spend your time.

          • John Doe

            Lighten up, dude. You wound up way too tight.

  • John Doe

    Jets don’t have a 6th round pick. So they must have traded their 5th round pick for Marshall.

    Rich Cimini4m

    The Jets would save $10.5M by cutting Harvin and they’ll send a 6th rounder to the Seahawks, not a 4th rounder, to complete ’14 trade. #nyj

  • Sactowns#1

    http://deadspin.com/jets-trade-for-brandon-marshall-1689851128
    I’m curious as to who or what we are getting in return. Wilkerson and Pace?

  • John Doe

    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 4m4 minutes ago
    The early word is the #Jets traded a 5th round pick for veteran WR Brandon Marshall, per source. Not official until a physical though

    • Irish Sweetness

      That’s a low round pick. My nightmare thoughts of a 5th may be realized.

  • BearDown100393

    In a perfect world, Inside the NFL gets cancelled immediately after Marshall passes his physical to complete the trade.

    • GPLDAN aka Mink Lloyd

      Jerry Rice and Willie Gault thought they were going to be big television stars as well.

      Brandon doesn’t get how it needs to go. The Tom Jackson school of “making it behind the desk”. You need to NOT be a journeyman. The only possible exception to that rule was Cris Carter, but he is defined by his Vikings years.

      I don’t see BM making it as a big tv star. His confession of bi-polar, all of it, it’s all calculated in pursuit of his long term goal of being a celebrity.

      • BearDown100393

        Marshall will be a regular on OWN.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    I’m interested to see what gets aired out now that he’s gone…

  • John Doe

    Brad Biggs @BradBiggs · 34m34 minutes ago
    Trading WR Brandon Marshall creates $7.7 million cash savings for #Bears and frees $3.95 million in salary cap room.

    • Irish Sweetness

      … and leaves us with jack shit in the receivers room.

      (any defensive meeting)

      “Who’s up this week? The Bears? Let’s see, put the mike on Forte, bracket Jeffrey and blitz Cutler …. who’s up next week?”

      • John Doe

        Wake up, Cutler will be gone soon. so will Forte. They are shopping both of them and will take whatever they can get for them.

        • willbest

          They aren’t getting anything for Forte. Nobody wants to rent a 30 year old RB for 1 year at 8 million. They might cut him however and save 8 mil

  • Sactowns#1

    So wait… we’re now down to one WR?

    • willbest

      Its a pretty easy time to pick up a 2nd one. Problem is we need a speed guy to compliment Jeffery

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Kevin White, Dorial Green Beckham, Devin Smith. There’s a few in this draft.

        • willbest

          Where are you getting those guys? Because last season aside, rookie WRs generally are not great.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            They’re in this draft. I think the first 2 can make an immediate impact. Devin Smith is a little bit of a project.

          • willbest

            Sorry, I meant what round.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yup, now we have to draft White or Amari Cooper as the antidote to this CF of a move. We’re in a passing league with no receivers again … with a QB who couldn’t hit the ground.

    • We have Marques Wilson. He trained with Marshall in South Florida last offseason. He’s ready.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Seems like we’ve been waiting for the “Marquess Wilson” train to arrive for a LONG time.

        • willbest

          He has only been on the team 2 years. And spent half his 2nd year injured

        • i wouldn’t say a long time. but i also don’t lend any credence to the “south florida” training regimen.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Brandon Marshall was great on the field for the Bears. He’s not a Jet today if there weren’t serious issues in the locker room.”

    No argument from here.

  • Frank Schoenburg

    Hate the trade!

    • Sactowns#1

      Nobody knows what we’re getting in return yet so it’s hard to say.

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    Two conflicting feelings this morning in the wake of the Marshall trade.

    1. Dude is a bonafide baller and the best WR this team has ever had. 2nd to CJ in yards, 2nd to Welker in receptions… Dude has hall of fame credentials. He blocked well and willingly and always fought for yards. This part of me is totally bummed that he is gone.

    2. The prioritizing of a side job-over the real job just shows how loose his screws really are. I get it, he’s trying to carve out a niche for his post football life. But you can do that after you retire, as so many guys have proven. And I’m sorry, I’ve seen the show. He may be a charismatic guy, but he’s not great at his side-gig.

    Clearly this bears team will have a completely different feel. I’m even more sure now that Cutler is gone too. it’s a new bears era. For the first time since the pre-Urlacher days, i have no hope that this team is going anywhere this year. Not to say that I’ve penciled them in for the playoffs every year in recent history, but they’ve had the legit stars to give a fan reason for solid optimism. Currently, I feel neither optimistic nor pessimistic. All I hope for next year, is that the players we field will compete their asses off.

    For now, I can’t help but feel a little sad. But hey, it’s FRIDAY MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!

    • BillW

      …:they’ve had the legit stars to give a fan reason for solid optimism.”

      After we lost the SB to the Colts, it kept going downhill. As fans, we didn’t want to see it. But it was. It started with Lovie saying “trust me” and it never got any better. So was it solid optimism? In hindsight, I’d have to say no.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        Sorry if my use of the phrase solid optimism doesn’t jive for you. Have I had SB delusions every year? No. But I’ve been optimistic that we would compete for a playoff spot and division title at least. As have many fans. Never could resist a chance for debate could ya, Bill.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        In retrospect, my reply to you was needlessly harsh. I guess my reply should have been: is it possible to be optimistic in hindsight? Seems paradoxical. But now I’m being argumentative. My apologies.

    • Irish Sweetness

      ‘Sup Doc. Nail on the head, bro.

      As it stands today, this is the most talentless Bears roster I can remember, and the fact that I’m glad we re-signed Jimmy Clausen underlines that.

  • BillW

    i have not been this excited about my beloved Bears since the 80s.

    Go ahead and hate the moves that are coming. What I LOVE is the derisiveness. The obvious take charge – no BS – attitude they represent.

    Too many of you are not seeing the bigger picture. As Four Feathers keeps trying to remind us all, this is NOT about 2015. Give up your plans for the Bears being in the Super Bowl next year guys. SERIOUSLY.

    We have exactly 3 players worth keeping in my opinion. Two Kyles and one Alshon.

    Again in my opinion, we are essentially an expansion team. I’ve made that statement before – it’s the best way to look at it. We are starting from scratch.

    Who will replace Jay Cutler in 2015? Who will replace Brandon Marshall in 2015? NOBODY!! And I don’t care (to coin a phrase).

    It will take time. But it will happen. I believe that just as strongly as I believed at the end of the Trestman’s first year that we’d all want him gone.

    Good things are coming.

    • willbest

      No. No they aren’t. The only thing you can say is the Bears are moving. To where, into what, nothing is certain. This is football there is no such thing as a rebuild. It is the ultimate team sport where the sum can end up substantially greater or less than the individual [edit: players]. That is why it is so great. And that is why it is so unpredictable.

      • BillW

        “Good things” to me meaning a team we can be proud of. Not necessarily a Super Bowl – that’s the unpredictable part of which you speak. I want to be proud of my Bears again. I see that day coming.

        I rub some people the wrong way when I mention my age and years of fandom etc. So I carefully say it’s still an opinion and I’m not saying my experience makes it any more valid than anyone else’s. But it does have a real basis that I can’t possibly describe in a short post.

        This is radically different than Angelo/Lovie and Emery/Trestman. It has a good feel to it. Leadership. Due diligence and then decisiveness. A cohesive plan (in my opinion) as opposed to filling a spot here and there at great cost and risk.

        And by the way, there is such a thing as a rebuild in football – again in my opinion. We’re seeing it.

    • I am happy that they’re not mortgaging the future to win now, which was my big fear when Fox was hired. They’re clearly sending a message now and will prioritize getting the locker room in order.
      I still need to see Pace go through FA without giving out dumb contracts (either overpaying guys or backloading deals stupidly). I also need to see him acquire good talent.

      • BillW

        Agree. What I’m reacting to is intangible at this point.

        And you made me consider something else – Fox may end up being a transitional coach.

        • I’ll be shocked if he’s here more than 5 years.
          I’ll be shocked if they win a SB in the next 3 years.
          The day Fox was hired I predicted he would never win an NFCN title in Chicago (assuming Rodgers stays healthy). I still believe that, because I believe Rodgers will outlast Fox.

          • I also believe Fox will restore the team to respectability on and off the field. Probably make the playoffs 1-2x in the 5 years he’s here. To me, I’ll judge him on how well he leaves the next guy set up.

          • BillW

            That is my current thought as well. Thanks for the perspective JW!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Well it can’t get any worse Bill, so there’s that. Oh wait, we just traded our best player for a toothpick ….

      • BillW

        Don’t be sad. Players come and go. The Bears will make us proud before and during their centennial in a few years.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      The “Lightning in a Bottle” happens all the time in sports and its teams. When teams, and any team for that matter, experiences that, major decisions are made which changes the path that the teams set their sights on before the season began. It’s just how modern sports is now.

      I don’t EXPECT them to be contenders for 2015. However, you don’t think that if Fox coaches this team’s effort into a 10-6, or 11-5 team, that decisions won’t be made to help their chances at going all the way?

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    I think the Jets should keep Percy Harvin and trade for Cutty. Wouldn’t that be a train wreck worth watching.

  • On a personal note, I’m really sad to see Marshall go to the Jets. I wanted to see him in IND or NE kicking ass and taking names.
    He needs a stable and supportive situation to thrive both on and off the field due to his mental illness. NYJ aren’t that.

    • I’m also surprised good teams didn’t get in on this. His value is far greater to a team with a good situation than a bad one due to his mental illness. Really shows a lack of awareness of mental illnesses and the issues around them in the NFL, IMO. Also shows that many good teams are afraid to rock the boat, which is smart, though sometimes it pays off to do so (like NE with Randy Moss).

      • John Doe

        The Marshall gone writing was on the wall for more than a month. You refused to believe it.

        What about Cutler trade rumors? Are you still dismissing those as completely baseless? Why Pace shop a high caliber QB like Cutler?

        • I never said Marshall wouldn’t be traded. I said the rumors of him were being overstated, which they were. Nobody had anything about Marshall/Jets until last night. Everybody was talking about Baltimore, who was supposedly never in on this.
          Same thing with Cutty: I’m ok if they trade him, but they damn well better not give him away.

      • BearDown100393

        You believe NFL teams are discriminating against Brandon Marshall because of his mental illness? What is he owed?

        • no, I believe teams don’t know enough about his mental illness to realize how disproportionate his behavior will be in different settings.

          I have 2 close family members with similar illnesses. I’ve seen firsthand how they are relatively normal in stable environments but all hell breaks loose when those environments go away. You have to account for that; it’s part of their treatment (especially with Marshall’s BPD, which has no medication).

          • We’ve also seen this firsthand in his 3 years with the Bears. First 2 years were, by all accounts, pretty stable environments. Marshall thrived on and off the field. Last year was not, and he regressed. Not a coincidence.

          • BillW

            And I for one thought the reaction to his press conference was way overblown. I’m sure he did that because he felt he “had to” for his own well being. To let off steam. No harm – unless you were predisposed to make fun of him

            Now the Twitter fight challenges were something else.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            The problem with this Twitter stuff is that it seems to be par for the norm with how celebrities and athletes handle themselves on there. It’s really sad and a technology that needs to go away.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Twitter: The Devil’s Spawn.

      • willbest

        Colts and Arizona could have used him to contend now, though he would be tight on the bird’s cap.

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    I have a question: Do we take a look at Randall Cobb now? (ducks)

    • please no.
      Who’s the last guy GB let walk that they regretted? They set a price on a player, if he wants more than that price, they tell him good luck in FA. Almost always turns out they were right.
      Cobb is not worth the contract he’ll command. Plus then Jeffery will top that contract and they’ll be paying too much money to WRs. Imbalanced roster.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Did not the emergence of Davante Adams make Cobb expendable?

        • GB offered Cobb an $8M/yr contract to stay. He said no. He’s looking at a deal in excess of $10M a year. Too much, IMO.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Note to Randall Cobb: See how well leaving a team with top QB worked out for Greg Jennings and Eric Decker.

    • Frank Schoenburg

      I’m on board with Cobb. I think he’ll make a great compliment to Jeffery. He’s the speed guy we need to diversify the offense. Unlike Jennings and Jones who were at the end or past their prime, Cobb is 24 and just now entering his prime. Let’s get him!

  • Irish Sweetness

    The Fudgers are laughing their asses off … again. Cheesy will be ‘roud soon for a good guffaw.

    The jets OTOH have Erie Decker, Kerley, Beast and Percy Harvin. Salas is no slouch either. Could this be history repeating itself? Will Cutty and marshall both get dumped … again ? Could they possibly go to the same team? You know that came up in the phone call …

    • Harvin is gonna be cut.

    • BillW

      The Fudgers will never live down their prima-donna QB not getting a first down when it counted in the NFC championship. I for one will never forget how shocked I was at that loss.

  • WP4Life

    I really like bmarsh he was a beast at times, but it is a good move. He is a constant distraction, it is a shot across the bow for all bears players, football first. At least he is closer to his tv show in New York now. I love whoever is in a bears uniform, according bmarsh and cutty, but have they won? Wonder why cutty had to go to Vanderbilt , ETC…

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I hope you enjoy his white substitute.

  • BillW

    I kind of took a self exile for a while and I enjoyed it so much I think I’ll do it again.

    Sorry all your Super Bowl dreams have been ruined because we got rid of a player who never even played in a playoff game. It’s a shame Pace is dismantling this powerhouse Bear team that was poised to compete so strongly next year.

    Next thing you know he’s going to get rid of that wonderful QB we have. And probably wait an entire year to replace him. Doesn’t he realize the world ends after the 2015 season??

    I’m going to enjoy watching Pace and Fox build a TEAM. You guys go back and regret what might have been with Cutler and Marshall in 2015.

    (Oh yeah – that strongly dedicated Rib Seller is gone too. Will this madness never end??)

    • willbest

      Sure, but if they aren’t competing for a Super Bowl in 2016 they were crappy hires. Which is why Trestman deserved to go. 2013 was his pre-season, and then he blew it when it was go time.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I hope we’ll be ready by the time Rogers retires.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Managing to find a trade partner for Marshall is a huge surprise for me. The Jets make sense.

    That being said… be prepared…the Bears are the new Vikings, but worst.

    PS: At least I follow the Patriots. Which is great news as I can’t waste much time on ‘sucking for Laych(!?)’ train. You guys on the other hand are fucked.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      You’re still fucked too….never heard of being “half-way fucked”

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I agree. Because of that I have to find solace in something…and the Patriots repeat band wagon is a solid ‘something’.

  • John Doe


    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 15m15 minutes ago
    This is a long process & can’t judge off of 1 move. This is a rebuild, said it yesterday. Cutler & Forte aren’t safe either. #Bears

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Dude you’re either Aaron Leming or his boyfriend (NTTAWWT).

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I hate people that misuse that word.

      Rebuild ? What a fuck does that mean ? I guess it’s a word that pleases the fans/clients for whatever reason, so they throw it around like it’s a neologism.

      It’s the R word.

  • John Doe

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    If I am one of the 456 outlets in Chicago covering the Bears every minute of every day, I’m pursuing @AaronLemingNFL.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The dude is clueless.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    “Odd the level of surprise I’m seeing to Marshall trade. Only surprise for me – especially after yesterday’s news – is they got something.”

    Maybe more than 1 suitor and trade preempts a bidding war for his services?

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