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Five Quick Thoughts on the Next Few Weeks For the Chicago Bears

| February 26th, 2015

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As many of you know, this is not the place to come for draft analysis in February. I will write about the draft EXTENSIVELY for the two weeks prior to the draft. There is no more than that required if you’ve watched ALL of college football for four months in the fall.

  • Matt Forte Tweeting about a perceived lack of commitment from the Bears organization is telling. Someone in his camp got wind of the Bears mentioning him in potential trade deals. If they didn’t we are meant to believe Forte, a seasoned vet, is lashing out emotionally on social media because of erroneous blog reports. If the Bears can trade Forte – with only a year remaining on his contract – they should do so. Of course they have to get something for him but if they have no intention of retaining his services beyond 2015, what is the point of not accepting a mid-round pick for him this coming month?
  • Seems the new Bears brain trust respects the work of the old Bears brain trust. Signing of both Hurst and Louis-Jean to two-year extensions signals to me, once again, Phil Emery is no longer running the Bears for one reason: he hired Marc Trestman.
  • Josh McCown is set to make his decision on landing spot over the next few days and I’m hoping he chooses Chicago. I then hope the Bears make an announcement that Cutler and McCown will battle for the starting gig in training camp. Will Cutler win that competition? Of course. But it will send the message to Cutler that he can be replaced at any point in the 2015 campaign by a player who has the confidence of the coaching staff and respect of locker room.

  • Have received so many emails from fans hoping the Ravens release Haloti Ngata so the Bears can sign the next middle of their 3-4 alignment? Will never understand this mindset. Bears should not be looking to pay for an aging Ngata. They should be looking for the 22 year-old Ngata in the coming draft. While the Bears defense was dreadful overall in 2014, their defensive line was not. It is also an expensive unit. If the Bears are going to spend in free agency, spend on a guys who can cover.
  • Okay, one draft note. If I were a team looking to add another tight end, I wouldn’t touch the $6M number being bandied about for Charles Clay. I’d take FSU and Jack Nicklaus’ Nick O’Leary a few rounds into the draft. His 40 time apparently dropped his stock. That means some team is going to steal a terrific football player.

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  • Trac

    Ngata would be a valuable asset to have from an experience and veteran perspective. This team desperately needs some veteran leadership of the good kind.

  • GPLDAN


    Seems the new Bears brain trust respects the work of the old Bears brain trust. Signing of both Hurst and Louis-Jean to two-year extensions signals to me, once again, Phil Emery is no longer running the Bears for one reason: he hired Marc Trestman.

    Erroneous.

    Emery got canned for a variety of reasons but Nessman is up there. Cutler’s contract, the way he handled the media, the lack of respect the NFL coaching fraternity had for him, his overall goofy ways (I stand breathless on the clean edge of a boot up your ass, you dork) with the media, and the fact he was supposedly a draft guru who busted big with his first pick and picked guys like Evan Rodriquez and the Safety Who Shall Not Be named.

    The Bears took Emery to the woodshed and also shitcanned the long time Director of player personnel and replaced him with Josh Lucas.

    The guy who they respect and stuck around was Cliff Stein. this blog has known that for years

    • NewBearInTown

      Emery was not a total bust any more than Angelo.
      Angelo left us with Forte, Briggs, Peanut, Paea, Gould, Cutler, etc. All were good moves when we made them and the next admin respected them.
      Emery leaves us Marshall, Jeffery, Long, Fuller, and Slauson. The Jennings deal was probably a good move. The Cutler move was probably not. But the jury is still out on both. We’ll know a lot more this time next year about the good, the bad and the ugly of Emery’s tenure.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 1h1 hour ago
    If the past is any indication, which I’m told it is, Fox/Gase will have a committee at RB. Forte won’t have as much value in ’15. #Bears

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      another gem from A. Lemming.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 1h1 hour ago
    I’m saying it will happen but cutting/trading RB Matt Forte is a realistic option if they chose to use a RB committee. #Bears

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      please stop.

  • John Doe

    Rotoworld:

    Josh McCown – QB – Free Agent

    Free agent Josh McCown left his visit with the Browns without signing a contract.

    McCown has also met with the Bears, Bills and Jets. The veteran is likely to choose a new team by the end of the week. McCown was awful for the Bucs last season, but with so few starting-caliber quarterbacks available in the draft, and even fewer on the open market, teams have been lining up for his services.

    Source: Akron Beacon Journal

    Feb 26 – 9:30 AM

    • GPLDAN

      Lovie don’t do offense.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    “Bears should not be looking to pay for an aging Ngata.”

    AGREED 100%. Just like the Bears should have never paid for an aging Jared Allen.

    I hope McCown comes back, he’s a great kid and a great, proven, backup.

    Right now I think this year if going to be the most important draft for the Bears in a decade.

    I would trade any player who we can get a good draft pick or picks for.

    We are talking the future here and we need to start building big time.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Just a note, McCown is not a “kid”. He will be 36 in July.

    • this year’s draft is definitely extremely important. I was looking into 1st drafts of teams that hire new coach and GM in the same offseason, and was shocked at how predictive they are of the overall success that duo will have: http://dabearsbeat.com/2015/02/26/new-coachgm-combos-the-draft/

      • GPLDAN

        Oh Yes Data –

        Now there’s some stats we can sink into

        Predictive correlation between new coach’s first draft grade and overall success of the regime in 3 year windows.

        Do it!

        • I already did it. Though it’s not full data, as I didn’t assign a numerical grade to the draft side. Tough to do that without too much bias, IMO. But still, there’s a clear pattern between success of first draft and success of GM/coach combo.

          • GPLDAN

            You created a table, you didn’t derive a correlation coefficient.

          • that’s because that would require a numerical grade on the drafts, and I explained why I didn’t do that in my last comment.

          • ok, I attempted to quantify it. Assigned each draft a grade on a scale of 0-10 and ran it vs. win % (r^2=.50) and playoff % (r^2=.40). So a definite trend, but not accounting for everything.

            This is where caliber of roster you inherit becomes a big factor. It really hurt teams like Houston 2006 and Detroit 2008, and really helped the Indy group that took over in 2009.

            Here’s my draft grades, if you’re curious. I still think that’s too subjective, but it’s something more quantifiable.

            https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N9YHkwDfH63OP9VPcIMotzu8SnqUT0djUW_eA1UHTPc/edit#gid=0

          • GPLDAN

            There we go. Good work.

            I agree, the scatterplot has way too much variation to be predictive.

            I also agree that inherited roster is probably largely the remaining factor.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Jesus Woodsy, when do you fit in blowjobs and snacks?

    • AlbertInTucson

      With the Bears draft history, aren’t they ALL important?

      • Bears-4-Ever

        Of course, but this year seems to have an aura of excitement and perhaps a touch of desperation mixed in. If they are planning on changing the Bears into a long term dominating franchise for the next 10 years and that is the mentality of the new GM and HC, it’s something different. Different is good…hell it can’t get any worse.

  • I don’t think the Hurst and ALJ deals really mean much. They’re both basically just camp contracts. 2 years, sure, but no guaranteed money. They’ll have to earn roster spots just like any UDFA invites.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      They’re ballers. They’re 53 man roster players.

      • I think so too, but just saying those contracts are not a vote of confidence. Any GM in his right mind would hand those out.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Because they’re useful players. Fangio type of players.

          Something might be cooking with those two in the future.

          Add Fuller and Vereen and you have 4 potentially 53 man roster 2nd year DBs.

          That’s a treasure (production and cap wise) if they confirm themselves.

          • again, I’m not disagreeing with you.

            I’m just saying the contracts handed out don’t really support Jeff’s argument that “Seems the new Bears brain trust respects the work of the old Bears brain trust
            ” They are zero-risk contracts that guarantee nothing but a shot in training camp.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Of course.

            But seeing them play we can say they saw some promise in them, because there is. And they fit the prototypical new DC type.

            Plus… new regime is more likely to bring in their own zero-risk contracts.

  • John Doe

    Interesting that Fox and Pace are contacting Jake’s past victims to get a read on him. What will Trestman, Kromer, Martz tell them about Jake?
    —-
    Comcast SportsNet23m
    #Bears looking to past coaches for read on Jay Cutler, reports @CSNMoonMullin:www.csnchicago.com twitter.com
    http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/bears-looking-past-coaches-read-jay-cutler

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      This Cutler dance they’re putting on is stupid. I had my doubts from the beginning, now I have no doubts.

      If the report is true… this is borderline incompetence, not to say stupidity.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I’m reading a huge amount of nonsense.

    The most mind blowing is ‘Fox-Gase need to start a rebuild’.

    Emery started the rebuild for fuck’s sake. The Bears are rebuilding for 2 years now.

    Fox and Gase have to win NOW.

    • John Doe

      What Emery did means jack to Fox and Gase.

      Fox and Gase are entitled to their OWN rebuild in their own way.

      Emery burdened Fox and Gase with stupid contracts (Cutler, Allen, Marshall). They will have to unwind those stupid decisons before they can win.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Sure they’ll entitled to their own moves. But it’s not a rebuilding, it’s a building type of a situation.

        They have 10 starters on Offense, 7 starters on Defense and 2 Specialists.

        Emery had 3 starters on Offense, 4 starters on Defense and 1 Specialist.

        I mean… everything is debatable, but lets stop fucking around. The rebuild started 2 years ago and the Bears are 4-5 starters away from having a complete squad and around $35 M of cap space to fuck around with.

        They can cut Allen straight up and still have $35 M of cap space to fuck around with.

        • John Doe

          Fox and Pace are entitled to get rid of players that do not fit their mold/philosophy/character traits etc. It doesn’t matter if those players are starters or not.

          If they want to get rid of them, they will and start rebuilding with the players they want.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Sure… but they have to win now…still.

            Again with that rebuilding insanity ? What does that mean ?

            If they want to cut Cutler, Forte and Marshall to get guys that fit their mold/philosophy/character those new guys have to roll from right away.

            Those new guys need to bring in the same production. Or show they can do it in the near future.

            The reality is the Bears are 3-4 starters away from winning right now… if they decide they’ll going to tank today in order to build for the future, that future has to look bright from the get go.

            Which means contending from Year 2 at the latest.

          • BerwynBomber

            The idea of “tanking” is a logical fallacy when applied to the Bears. This is a team that finished 5-11 last year. They are not going to be “tanking” even if they bring in 11 new starters and get rid of some of their biggest names/contracts. They will play to win.

            Tanking doesn’t really work in the NFL unless there is an Andrew Luck-like pick in the following year’s draft, and more often than not, there isn’t.

            But they could do a full-scale rebuild — or at least as much as one as possible — and it would be smart, IMO.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            that’s tanking in the NFL.

            call it restart or whatever… the result is the same. You’re certain of an under 8-8 record.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Here’s what it weans, Barb. It means Fox/Pace take time to analyze what they have. Upon realizing it’s a pile of dog-link, they will endeavor to build the kind of roster a superbowl winning team requires. One packed with talent. That takes time.

            Scenario one: we trade Cutty. We will not, nor should we expect to find a franchise QB. We haven’t had one since about 1988. With a high pick(s) for Cutty we can get a head start on that roster and plug along with a Clausen/McCown/Fales whoever. We do not need to put our foot to the floor in year one. We’re building an engine. In order to build the roster we’ll need high draft picks – so that means NOT winning now. That means not putting the bride on the wedding cake until the very last minute. Build a solid team. The QB is almost an afterthought. If they tank for two years I could care less, as long as the destination is somewhere Fox is covered in Gatorade holding up a Lombardi.

            Scenario two: There is no scenario two.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            you be a fan of the Browns if you want. I want the Bears to be contenders every year.

            I think they can be this year. There are 5-6 holes, but good draft position, huge cap space and superior coaching who should easily get it done.

        • Irish Sweetness

          10 starters on offense? I’d give two, maybe three of our linemen a job. AJ and BM. Matty. Uni. Cutler if he stays. That’s 8 and I’d rather see three of ’em elsewhere.
          Going to the land of superbowl will take a couple of years, meaning a different QB, RB, and new look OL.

          The defense is a complete CF now. I don’t like Lamarr based on what I saw. Willie is fucked. Allen is basically very expensive toast. I never liked Jennings that much. The only LB I like is Sharpton and he’s not even a Bear I don’t think. Peanut’s slow and won’t last a season. Mundy looks good..

          Cutty gotta go.

          We need like ten starters IMO. I’m talking superbowl roster not just fielding teams. And we’re not in rebuild?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I’m talking playoff team. Did you see what kind of roster the Cowboys, Lions, Cardinals, Panthers had ?

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    From the last day in office for Lovie these are the players that are still on the roster:

    Cutler, Forte, Marshall, Garza, Jennings, Gould.

    So, from the end of the 2012 season the Bears have 47 new ‘spots’ filled.

    THAT’S CALLED REBUILDING.

    CUTTING CUTLER, MARSHALL, FORTE, GARZA AND ALLEN IS CALLED CHANGING OR FAST TRACKING.

    • CanadaBear

      The problem is the replacements weren’t an upgrade. When he dismantled the ST’ers and replaced them with cannon fodder it was a disaster. I’m guessing there will be close to half the roster changing this offseason. Not to go crazy about the roster but the coaching staff was without a doubt one of the weakest in the league. What a nightmare.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Now the Bears have a kick ass coaching staff. So that most of makes those cannon fodder players into useful, productive elements.

        The replacements of Offense were 10 LEVELS OF UPGRADE AT LEAST. Fuck that… 100 levels.

        In Defense the mess was difficult to contend with. Still there are at least 5-6 proven starting caliber players, even in the horrible coaching conditions. Logic says there are more productive players, maybe starters, with elite coaching around.

        This underrating of the Bears roster is strange, to say the least.

        • CanadaBear

          I get your points Barb but I think you overrate the roster. Here’s my take on the players on the roster that are better than avg. Gould, Long, Slauson Bennett, Marshall, Jeffery, Forte, Young, Ratliff, Fuller. Possibly Houston, Ferguson, Allen, Jennings. I thought Jones and Washington showed a lot of promise. Other than that, not a lot to like. I still love Peanut but don’t expect him back. I also like Paea but don’t expect him back, either.

          • BerwynBomber

            And lest we forget, the Bears were one of the oldest teams in the league the past season, though cutting ties with Briggs and Tillman will immediately bring that number down.

          • CanadaBear

            That’s a big part of my issue with the roster. Not a lot of young talent. As far as elite talent goes we have a few guys in the neighborhood in that category, Long, Bennett, Forte, Marshall, Jeffery but none of them are slam dunks in that category.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I contend that AJ will be nothing without Marshall opposite him drawing brackets, especially with Slingin’ Sammy six-shooter Wild Bill Hickock down at the OK Corral under center there.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Well… 13 players possibly better than average is a huge get.

            If you add 2 in FA and 1 in the draft that’s 16 players better than average out of 22. Seems to me you’re overrating the roster. hah

            All you need is to implement a winning culture and system… that’s what those big time coaches are there for.

          • CanadaBear

            I only listed 10 (and 1 was a kicker) better than avg players and don’t agree that is a huge get. No big deal, back where we started.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            There were 4 ‘maybes’.

    • John Doe

      Stop yelling.

      Your point is not convincing just because you are yelling.

      • GPLDAN

        Being crazy is kind of his thing.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Better crazy than stupid.

          Get off my lawn…I’m talking ball and have no time for your bullshit.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Hahah. How can you yell when writing ? Maybe when you’re hearing voices, but that’s on the reader.

        Instead of this weak stuff, maybe you should respond to the actual post and arguments in question.

        • caps lock is usually considered yelling

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Fuck me… I use it to gain attention. Sort of demanding a response to my strong argument.

            Whatever.

          • Sactowns#1

            Remember your internet etiquette Barb.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            There isn’t any. That’s what makes it fun.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No, it’s shouting, Barb – the strength of your argument doesn’t require volume. Let its veracity be its own reinforcement my son.

            Confucius didn’t shout. He laid it out. I’m a poet. And I don’t know it.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Using caps might be shouting for some. It’s not for me. I use it to underline my strong arguments.

          • IT”S CULTURAL. IN ROMANIAN INTERWEBS CAPS IMPLY A LULLING MELODIC WHISPER.

  • Sactowns#1

    I know we all hate Aj Hawk but he would be a great addition to a young 3-4 D.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      In the CFL.

      • GPLDAN

        Romanian Navy at sea.

        • first comment.

          “Back when gay men were manlier then today’s straight men. ”

        • Irish Sweetness

          I agree with the YT comments. Back then gay men looked manlier than today’s teen generation males. Wait .. Butch … cock-blocked!

    • BerwynBomber

      Actually there are a few people on the blog that like AJ Hawk — MB and SCDave spring immediately to mind. But Hawk is toast, and in my mind was never that good. His TT stats aren’t that bad but he never made dynamic plays and rarely made key stuffs. He was a guy who made a living out of tackling RBs seven or eight yards downfield. Never understood the Cheese’s commitment to the guy.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Hawk was the FIFTH pick in that draft. I’m sure the Packers expected more from him than they ever actually got.

        Same draft as Reggie Bush (#2).

        • BerwynBomber

          Don’t have to convince me. I don’t think he ever lived up to his draft status either. A very average player in my book who happened to get lucky in finding a winning franchise that, for whatever reason, continued to believe in him.

        • SC Dave

          Probably, but in the grand scheme of things, MANY #5 picks have not started for their team for a decade.

  • I think I mostly agree with Barb here. Recent on-field results aside, the Bears are in a much better position now than when Emery took over in 2012. That team had more holes than this one and was completely devoid of young talent.
    Emery has added a bunch of young defenders with potential, only none of them really panned out under the former regime. Some of them will under these coaches, and just how many of them do (and how good they become) will be hugely important for the next few years of the franchise, IMO.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The OL, the WR corp, Kellen Davis as the TE.

      Sign Fangio a LB, a S and draft a OLB and lets get rolling on D. On O there’s space for a power back, maybe a G and let’s start running the ball and go from there.

      If you hit on D and protect the ball on O you’re a playoff contention team from the get go.

      • Irish Sweetness

        No Center, no 3-4 DEs ??

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Sign De La Puente and the hell with 3-4 DE. Fangio plays 60% in nickel so the 3-4 DE are basically 4-3 DT.

          I’m good with Ratliff-Ferguson-Sutton.

          Heck with it….sign Potruast. They have $35+ M in cap space.

          Fuck that…sign SUH.

    • Johnnywad

      All true. I’m not sure saying he’s better than Angelo was, is much to build on. Hiring Trestman proves, in itself, to be reason enough to move on.

      • Irish Sweetness

        An asthmatic mouse in a wheelchair with a gunshot wound to the frontal lobe would be better than Jerry Angelo. Anybody on the planet, most primates and some coelenterates would be better than Jerry Angelo.

        • SC Dave

          +100 blog points for coelenterates

  • BerwynBomber

    “Josh McCown is set to make his decision on landing spot over the next few days and I’m hoping he chooses Chicago. I then hope the Bears make an announcement that Cutler and McCown will battle for the starting gig in training camp. Will Cutler win that competition? Of course. But it will send the message to Cutler that he can be replaced at any point in the 2015 campaign by a player who has the confidence of the coaching staff and respect of locker room.”

    No. Bringing in McCown tells Cutler it is business as usual. At this point, Clausen would push Cutler more than McCown would. McCown was leading the league in passing two years ago and was still deferential to Cutler to a fault with all his “this is Jay’s team” reassurances.

    The only reason for wanting McCown on a team with Cutler is to provide Cutler job security. If you truly want that, just say it. It is a status quo move.

    Btw, did you see McCown play in TB last year? He was arguably the worst starter in the league. And he is thirty-six. It will only get worse.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Apples and oranges, Ber. He did pretty well given our circumstances. Mind you … that was then, this is now …. I don’t know how McCown feels physically these days. Ryan Fitzpatrick is 32, still in his prime and could be had for a bag of chips. Drafting a rookie QB is crazy IMHO.

  • John Doe

    Jon Gruden: Time for Bears to give another QB a chance

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago-bears/post/_/id/4697426/jon-gruden-time-for-bears-to-give-another-qb-a-chance

    Asked on ESPN “Mike & Mike” on Thursday what would go into the final decision regarding Cutler, Gruden said, “I think John Fox is going to look at the body of work. They’re going to see that he didn’t get it done really with Lovie Smith or Marc Trestman, and now I’m the next head coach. I think you need to give some other people an opportunity to play. I think some of these quarterbacks get too many chances. There are good enough players out there that deserve a chance to be the quarterback of the Chicago Bears.”

    “I know he has talent,” Gruden said. “But I don’t think he warrants that salary for sure. I think Chicago needs to look at getting a different leader under center.”

    • GPLDAN

      I never heard Chucky as disgusted with a team as he was when he called that Dec 15th Saints-Bears game.

      He was livid. It’s worth getting the replay of that game and watching the first half on GameDay or something, just to hear Chucky spew venom.

      • John Doe

        Yes, I remember. He lit into Cutler that day. It was brutal.

        I believe it was Trestman’s parting shot to the punk Jake Cutler who got him fired. Trestman had worked for Gruden in Oakland and had also coached Steve Young at 49ers.

        Steve Young took over from Gruden after the game and delivered his own blunt criticism of Cutler. The best line was, ” Jay, go home and watch the game tape. Watch Drew Brees and how he does little things right. And then watch yourself. And be honest with youself.”

        I have never seen ESPN MNF crew take down a player like that the way they took down Cutler that night.

        • The coaches went to great lengths behind the scenes to scapegoat Cutler for last year, and the sad part is that a lot of the media actually bought it.

          • BerwynBomber

            Evens out. Guys like Gruden also blew smoke up Cutty’s ass for years with their gunslinger/all the tools talk. And the media for years blamed coaching staff more than Cutty. I sense a lot of them finally had enough.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Had most of us fooled. Most of my passwords had ‘Cutler’ in them. I had man-love for Jay … but the dude couldn’t get his learn-on.

          • But did the Ravens buy it? A team that is generally run well, and was very close to beating the Pat at home.
            Did the Bills buy it, a team that won 9 games last year and are a QB away from contending?
            Did the numerous teams courting McCown last year and this year, buy the “Cutler scapegoating”?

            Or is it more likely they viewed it through more fooball eyes and found Cutler more at fault?

            It’s not black and white, but if I had to calculate, I would say Cutler was 65.599% at fault for the offensive’s dismal performance (when it mattered).

            By other team’s hiring of Tresty, Kromer and even McCown – I can only assume they concluded the same.

          • Trestman took a demotion from where he was. So did Kromer. McCown bombed as a starter and wasn’t part of last year.

            Cutler was overrated for years. Now the pendulum has swung the other way and he’s underrated.

          • BearDown100393

            They probably brainwashed the Manchurian Receiver into that entire “buyer’s remorse” comment.

      • CanadaBear

        I think Chucky and Nessman are buddies. It was like Chucky took it personally.

        • that’s just it: he bashed the players for the entire game while ignoring the fact that Chicago was the worst-coached team in the NFL. Bias, much?

          *Note before this devolves into another Cutler fight: I am not saying Cutler is great or perfect or anything. I am saying that coaching was a massive problem for the Bears last year, both in terms of scheme and leadership, and Gruden completely ignored that facet in a blatant effort to protect his buddy.

          • BearDown100393

            Marc Trestman seemed to agree with you. Here were Trestman’s comments after that loss: “We didn’t lose on Monday night because of someone’s demeanor,” Trestman
            said. “We lost because our team lost and we didn’t coach as well as we
            can coach and they played better than us. Those are the most important
            reasons and certainly we want to focus in on the quarterback. But the
            reasons why we lost go far beyond interpretation about somebody looks.”

          • Irish Sweetness

            Correct Mr. Mackey, the reason why you lost is your impression of a vagina in the locker room day in day out. Mmmkay ?

          • John Doe

            It was Trestman’s revenge.

            Trestman was a bad coach but he felt let down by Cutler. Coaches and players cover for each other. Trestman had invested a lot in Cutler. Remember last offseason Trestman even took Cutler to New York to meet with a sports shrink on how to be a leader. And Trestman rightfully felt that Cutler became a punk after the Dolphins game and started openly defying Trestman and Kromer and stopped doing what they were asking him to do. They wanted to bench him at half time of Tampa Bay game but Emery stepped in and prevented that.

            The Saints game came at a time when Trestman/Kromer and Cutler relationship had completely failed and the writing was on the wall. Trestman then decided to feed all inside info to Gruden and Young to bash Cutler. Hope Cutler learned his lesson that being punk can be costly.

          • GPLDAN

            Hope Cutler learned his lesson that being punk can be costly.

            Tee hee.

          • BearDown100393

            Anarchy in the NFL…

          • I recognize that getting a job in the NFL doesn’t exactly equal quality, but

            Trestman got hired and was a top OC target for teams
            Kromer got hired relatively fast even though he commited one of the worst sins in NFL circles
            McCown is getting courted by numerous teams

            So obviously, the NFL has spoken as to who was mostly responsible for the catastrophe of the Bears O in ’14

            Add this to the avalanche of criticism from Young, Gannon, Dilfer, Jaws, Gruden and others who do not have a connection to Trest and know about QB play.

            I think Gruden, like a majority of Bears’ fans this season, just had enough of smoking Jay.

            In the words of Roberto Duran, No mas.

          • BerwynBomber

            I honestly don’t the get the McCown love. An NFL reporter on the Score yesterday that McCown could land a potential $5M one year deal next year. Really? For McCown? There were probably a dozen guys on the QB UFA guys I would take over McCown. Fuck, I would probably take Clausen over McCown.

          • Johnnywad

            I agree. He played three solid games while throwing to Marshall, Jeffrey, and Bennett as they were really hitting their best stretch of ball with the offensive line playing its best ball since ’06. I just don’t get it. He has more than a decade in the league to prove those three games were the anamoly.

          • BerwynBomber

            He played well in Trestman’s system. But Trestman is gone. Plus, physical tools can vanish in a flash at McCown’s age. He did not look like the same player in TB last year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Anyone see Turtlehead following Fox to Chicago for a swansong?

          • willbest

            That is a whacked out theory considering everybody took a demotions and pay cuts to get jobs elsewhere, and Jay Cutler is going to be a starting QB in the NFL in 2015 regardless of which team he is on at the same salary he is getting now.

          • Johnnywad

            A top OC target? Didn’t Trestman interview with the Bucs, then get hired by the Ravens?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Agreed. He went into the game with and agenda…save the buddy.

      • BerwynBomber

        And on the opposite end of the spectrum was his stuff on Brees that night.

        Chucky’s personality isn’t for everyone and I get that. But from a pure technical standpoint he is the best analyst there is.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I like his analysis and would subscribe to his newsletter.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Was that the game where Cutty looked like it was his “get me out of Chicago” game? The one where he threw the thing ANYWHERE like he REALLY didn’t care?

      • Irish Sweetness

        More venom than Stephen A. Smith ?

        Who’s that chick in the Skip Bayless-Stephen Smith sandwich ?

        Hulllloooobebbe.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      He then went on saying Tampa Bay Buccaneers should draft Winston.

      Is there anything more pathetic than ‘experts’ who bash Cutler’s leadership skills while hyping that motherfucking rapist ?

      • Johnnywad

        Its been a long time Barb, but I agree with this statement 100%. Well said.

      • BearDown100393

        Look like crabs. Talk like people. – 2015 Tampa Bay Slogan

      • Irish Sweetness

        Did he say that hiring Winston would land TB in the superbowl, or was he hoping they would draft Winston so that they would tank for another four years ?

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I don’t know. Mine was a supposition.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Rape? Really?
        (thinks briefly about the multiple serious crimes committed by NFLers and shrugs)

        I would love to have Big Ben on the Bears and I don’t condone rape or even like the guy.
        But this is football – can you hit a guy on the fifteen yard out … right on the money?
        You can? You’re hired.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Yeah…rape. Clearly.

    • BerwynBomber

      And here we go with the Gruden/Trestman conspiracies. Thee dare not criticize Cutler.

      • John Doe

        Btw, you may just get your Sanchize wish. I saw first report today that Bears are interested in Sanchez.

        • BerwynBomber

          They should be. If they are checking out McCown, Sanchez is freaking Tom Brady by comparison. I honestly might go with Clausen before McCown.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The comedy of horrors.

          • I would rather go with Clausen over McCown. At least he’s younger.

            If that’s the scenario, go with Clausen (he has starting experience)
            And let Fales and unnamed draftee/FA compete (not Sanchez. He’s a cheaper Cutler).

          • BerwynBomber

            I would feel better with Sanchez than Clausen or even Sanzhez over Clausen. After all, both (hypothetically) could be on the team if Cutty is jettisoned. But yes, I agree with Clausen over McCown. Fuck, get Colt McCoy if they are thinking McCown. Get just about anyone.

            In your scenario, I don’t know if the Bears would keep both Fales and a draft pick. I sense only one would make it out of camp.

            And yeah I get you about Sanchez being a cheaper (and younger) Cutler, but that is just it: the drop-off won’t be huge and virtually every UFA QB is a turnover machine.

          • Yeah, but SOME FA QBs at least offer the glimmer of hope that they don’t turn it over.

            Locker did TO a bit, but his main knock is injuries. Plus, he’s young and maybe needs a better system and health (to iron out consistency).

            Mallet. Again, no one really knows, but he was groomed by Brady/Bill, and perhaps he can take care of the ball.

            The thing about Sanchez is that he’s a KNOWN turnover machine, like Cutler. How you can still turn it over throwing bubble screens and dump off is beyond me, but Sanchez did it.

            I would rather go with hope, with guys like Clausen, Mallet, or even Locker, Fales – see if they can excel given the chance.

          • BerwynBomber

            For the record the Iggles had more of a downfield passing attack than we did. We were the undisputed champs of bubble screens and dumps off. In fact, it wasn’t even close. So no, it is actually: how Cutler managed to lead the league in INTs is beyond me, but Cutler did it.

            Fair enough about the others, but I would go with the known entity. No biggie either way as all these guys, including Sanchez, are merely inexpensive bridge guys.

          • Yeah, it’s almost a matter of taste with all these FA QBs. Some would prefer more proven commodities (like Sanchez), but I’d prefer gambling with lesser known guys who might not TO as much. Maybe.

            Yup. That’s the thing. Don’t need constipated Cutty for $15M, don’t want constipated Sanchez for $5M either.

            Though we could do worse…china doll Locker, etc…

          • BerwynBomber

            Sanchez was 6th in the league in YPA. Cutler was 29th. The only starters lower than Cutler were Orton, McCown, Bortles and Derek Carr.

            Sanchez has his flaws (obviously) but playing too conservatively wasn’t one of them.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Sanchez is a drop-off everywhere, most notably in the cerebral area.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Oh holy fuck. From Cutler to Sanchize.

          What are we, the Raiders? Don’t say that’s possible. Fitzy is a better QB and cheaper to trade for.

    • AlbertInTucson

      20-20 hindsight.

      Gruden was once pretty supportive of Cutler up until that last, gawdawful Monday night game.

  • John Doe

    Pace should go after this guy. Can be a DT and 3-4 DE…
    —–
    Jim Thomas11m
    Rams have released DT Kendall Langford. Saves $6 million in salary cap space.

    Rotoworld:
    Kendall Langford – DL – Free Agent
    Rams released DT Kendall Langford.
    The move clears $6 million in cap space. Signed to a four-year, $24 million deal in March 2012, Langford was a 16-game starter in 2012 and 2013, but was benched in favor of Aaron Donald last season. He played just 494 snaps, managing one sack. Still only 29, Langford has experience at defensive end. That versatility and relative youth could earn him some guaranteed money on the open market.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      he’s a very good player. “lost’ his job to Donald for economic-hype reasons.

      he was by far their best DT.

      • uh, Donald won DROY, so not sure it was entirely hype.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Still can’t believe we missed that by one pick. I guess we found out he wasn’t that under-sized after all. SJP would have been there at CB for us in the second round. How did he do this year – anyone know ?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            And now he would have been good to be thrown into the trash bin.

            Fangio doesn’t use 3T.

            What then ?

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          That’s what I was saying. In order to win droy he needed to be a starter and accumulate starts.

          My point is he wasn’t changed because out played. They went into the future version of their team.

  • BerwynBomber

    I get the economics of saying farewell to Forte, but from a sheer productivity loss, his shoes will prove bigger to fill then either Cutler’s or BMarsh’s.

    • BearDown100393

      Absolutely. Because he actually does something.

    • willbest

      You honestly don’t know. Forte has been so healthy so long its hard to imagine what it would be like without him. Look at Baltimore. They lose Ray Rice and Justin Forsett found the fountain of youth at some point. Who knows what the drop off from Forte to Carey is if you give the guy 25 touches.

      • BerwynBomber

        Carey, I’m betting, will be an inferior runner, receiver and blocker. And the drop-off will be significant.

        • willbest

          meh

          Carey had 4.4 YPC on 38 attempts and Forte had 3.9 on 266.

          Forte was 102 on 130 targets for 7.9 Y/R. Carey 5 on 6 for 11.4 Y/R

          So there is no real evidence to suggest he can’t do the job.

          • BerwynBomber

            Hah! Nice sample size there. I would be wary of comparing Carey’s limited stats from last year and concluding he provides Forte-like productivity. That is more comical than saying Jimmy Clausen is a better QB than Jay Cutler based on the Lion’s game.

          • willbest

            Except that is the totality of the Carey’s NFL career so I am not cherry picking anything with respects to Carey as you are trying to do with your Clausen analogy. I am not saying he is going to be Forte or better. I am saying your “feeling” on the matter is contra evidence where he has acquitted himself well with limited reps.

            Also, limited reps tend to work against a back who all claim a need to get into a rhythm

        • True. But someone like TJ Yeldon can probably be had in the later rounds for 8M less.

          But then, do we really want to to use a draft pick, even a later one, on HB when we don’t need to at this time?

          Gotta way economics vs draft pick value.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Happily draft some fool in the fourth to get us the 4.5 YPC.
            Any fool. Any given Sunday.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He already looks that way … BUT … our Center is Robo-crap with the clip-on knees. So who knows?

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        not much of a fountain of youth. he is 29 with under 350 career attempts rushing before last year, finally getting a shot.

    • John Doe

      Think long-term. Forte has 1 year or 2 year max of production. Fox and Pace planning and thinking is longer than that.

      Plus the draft is choke full of good RBs…good, big backs that will be better than Forte in short yardage situations.

      Plus, Fox has history of working with no name backs. Look what he did in Denver last year…found 2 no name RBs who produced as much as any top RB.

      • BerwynBomber

        I don’t disagree long-term. Was only thinking of it in terms of next year.

        • John Doe

          If they realize that 2015 will be a rebuild year and they won’t be ready to really contend until 2016, then what is the point of keeping Forte for 1 year?

          The sooner they move on and find the next long-term players, the better.

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t disagree. My only point is that guys like Blogfather and others on the blog have tied themselves in knots over the prospect over losing Cutty and/or BMarsh, but have a ho-hum attitude toward losing Forte.

            My point is Forte has been a decidedly better offensive player than either, especially Cutty.

          • John Doe

            Agree on Forte vs. Cutty in terms of production.

            Forte has earned every single penny of his contract.

            Cutler? Not so much.

          • I think the ho-hum attitude (for some) in losing Forte is multi-level.

            One. HBs nearing 30 notoriously fall off a cliff. This doesn’t apply to WR or QB, or really any other position for that matter.

            Two. HBs can be more easily replaced. HBs don’t need much time in a system to prosper.

            Three. It’s a deep FA/draft class.

            Four. That’s a lot of mula for a HB in the modern NFL.

          • SC Dave

            So fucking this.

    • Irish Sweetness

      we went 5-11 with a pissy ineffective offense … with his contribution. 100+ reception LOOKS impressive, but only if you’re a wide receiver. If you’re a back, then something’s wrong.

  • willbest

    Forte – I read the tweets as Gase-Fox telling Forte to wait until after the draft for your extension

    Hurst/LJ – Emery’s ability to evaluate talent was not bad

    McCown – put the crackpipe down.

    Ngata – I agree. You aren’t going to get value in Ngata the way you did with Ratiff or Young. You are going to overpay like you did with Allen or Houston

    Tight End – Bears could actually use one.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I don’t get why Matt is tweeting. Shouldn’t he leave it in the hands of God? Doesn’t god have a plan for you Matt? That’s what I’d be telling him if I was Foxy.

  • John Doe

    Nick Wagoner @nwagoner · 57m57 minutes ago
    Rams have indeed released DT Kendall Langford. Door is open for Langford to return at reduced rate but he’ll seek starting job first.


    He will have a good chance to win a starting job in Chicago as a 3-4 end.

  • Don’t lose your head over the off-season, at least not until the 2017 off-season. Here’s Irish’s human head transplants…

    http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/human-head-transplants-could-become-reality-2017

    • willbest

      This reminds me of the Futurama episode where Richard Nixon’s head gets grafted onto a robot’s body and he tries to take over the planet.

      • haha yeah, I was thinking of the Futurama heads!

        And Reanimator too.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Ah, Reanimator ! The heady days of horror. Return of the living dead Pt. II anyone?

          “I can smell your brains.”

          Now there’s a gnarly pick-up line for a mean dunk trying to hit on a forty-something.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I believe America voted one of those into power in 2001.

  • George Hotchkiss

    O.K., let’s put this Cutler thing behind us. Let’s say Cutler didn’t play last year and Mc Cown or Clausen or Fales or most of the quarterbacks in the league led the Bears. Do you really think the outcome would have been different?

    • Yup. McCown shows leadership (hence why teams want him, even if just to groom younger QBs)
      Clausen looked VERY sharp vs the Lion’s fierce D. Not his fault everyone decided to drop his passes.
      Didn’t turn it over till late minute hail mary.
      Fales,
      who knows? But the Pats wanted to poach him off our practice squad, so
      we promoted him to cock block. The Pats not only have Brady, but Jimmy
      Garrapolo. Makes me wonder what they saw in Fales.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, that was a classic “Wait, Belichick thinks he’s good? What did we overlook?” moment.

      • George Hotchkiss

        So Mc Cown really helped the Bucks Last year

    • John Doe

      Yes. Because with Fales, McCown or Clausen Bears would have saved $15 -20 million and used that $15-20 million to get another 2-3 pieces on defense and the defense would have been better and the overall team result would have been just the same or even slightly better.

      Why do people who want Cutler so bad forget that he is only slightly better than McCown types but not worth$15 million more than McCown? It is pretty simple to understand..production for money.

    • BearDown100393

      It would be much worse now. Emery and Trestman would still be here with an alibi cover that the starting QB was unavailable.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Last season is history. Cutty represents chips to play with. I’m all for 5-11 seasons if it results in solid draft picks. Look at the Lions, they’d be a dangerous team if they had a QB. The only way to put Cutty behind us is to make sure we turn him into chips.

  • Great news, guys! The Bears are drafting Mariota! The internet said so!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/shaun-king-s-mock-draft-1-0–qb-mariota-falls-to-bears-230353322.html

    • I was going to make a bold prediction and proclaim that Mariota is going to fall to the the 20s or even early 2nd, but then he ran a 4.5 and now is going to the Bears!

      Hurrah!

    • BerwynBomber

      Would be surprised if he fell to #7.

      • AlbertInTucson

        VERY surprised.

        If he fell to the Bears, I think they’d ransom him to the Eagles.

        • BerwynBomber

          Agreed, though I also wouldn’t be shocked if Pace took him.

          • AlbertInTucson

            You think Pace/Fox would pass up a chance stock up on draft picks?

          • BerwynBomber

            If they think Mariota can be a top 15 ten-year starter? Yes.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Personally, I don see that in Mariota.

          • IMO, Mariota needs at least ONE season to just sit on the bench and do stuff that he’s never done before, like taking a snap from undercenter.

            That’s not even mentioning the other stuff, like learning a real route tree, progressions, audibles, reading defenses, etc…

          • AlbertInTucson

            He better bulk up, too.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Do we draft Gregory and bulk him up? Seems like we’re going to need at least one stud at LB and studs we don’t have.

          • Irish Sweetness

            The force strong within him is not.

            Although i don’t smell bust as strongly as with Manziel, we don’t need to be drafting QBs. Winston is this year’s bust.

          • John Doe

            If Mariota somehow slips to #7, Pace will have Cleveland and Philly on the line.

            And he can play off the two of them and can get good haul of picks.

            And even if they balk in that 15 minute window on draft day, I would still go ahead and pick Mariota and work on a post draft trade. Browns are deseperate for a QB.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If they’re that desperate then we already have a booby prize for them in Cutty. Surely we can prize the 19th pick off them (if not the 12th) ? If we trade our 7th pick, then we’ll have two first round picks and two high 2nd rounders. That rocks right there. We have nothing to gain keeping cutler on board.

        • Big Mike

          Dropping to 20 would cost the eagles a bundle. I read one analysis that said it would cost number 1 and 2 from this year and next. Another option was 2 numbers 1s and Nick Foles.

          • BerwynBomber

            Imagine if they could pull off option 2 and also deal Cutty and BM for a couple of 3rd rounders. That would be what, 10 draft picks, Nick Foles and next year’s Iggles first rounder? Quite a haul.

          • Big Mike

            cutty and bm for a couple third rounders is a terrible trade.

          • BerwynBomber

            With their contracts what do you expect to get?

          • Big Mike

            Marshall’s contract isn’t bad at all for a #1 WR. Most WRs are divas or have some shit going on. I’m not trading him for a 3. Cutler’s contract gets substantially better towards the club each year. If you are dead set on trading cutler (I’m not opposed), the time to do it is next year. I think the odds are great that he will have a better year next year than last. two reasons 1) regression towards the mean and 2) better coachings on all threes phases of the team. With better performance and what at that point will be a club favorable team, Cutler’s worth at least a 2.

          • BerwynBomber

            The main thing for the Bears, I would bet, is unloading their contracts. I could be wrong. But I am betting they would consider that the majority of the return/value. Most teams are not giving up high draft picks for guys in their 30s.

            If you are thinking, “Wait, Marshall is better than any third round pick”, you are in all probability right. But GMs don’t think that way if money is coming off the books.

            Anyway, I think Cutty stays at least another year. BM I’m not sure. I think it is 50/50 he is here next season.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Brandon is one guy on our team who is worth their salary. He fell into our laps and to get rid of a stud like him is just crazy. With a proper Center and an accurate QB our offense can be productive. With no Brandon AJ gets bracketed out of the game and you then need a Joe Montana to make the passing game happen.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Cutty is average and valuable. Brandon is a stud and not very valuable in trade terms. Brandon helps us if we keep him, Cutty doesn’t. Brandon is worth more to us if he stays a Bear, where Cutty only helps us if we off-load him.

            With BM and AJ at wide-out all we need is an accurate QB. Cutty can’t hit a barn door from ten paces.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Exactly, if he fell to us we trade him to whoever want him, with a Cutty trade that gives us some serious draft ammo.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      i won’t believe it until i hear John Doe posting it from Aaron Lemming’s twitter feed.

  • Big Mike

    “Phil Emery is no longer running the Bears for one reason: he hired Marc Trestman.” I couldn’t agree more.

  • It is odd…the FA and Draft class mirror each other.

    Both are deep with pass rushers, HBs and WRs
    Both lack top ILBs, S, CBs

    • AlbertInTucson

      Good news if you’re an ILB or a CB.

      • safety too, perhaps most. Mayock, who’s specialty is DBs, announced he’s never seen so many sorry safeties coming out of a draft (I paraphrase).

        Other experts have chimed in on it too. Some argue that the lack of quality safeties might be a symptom of the spread option.

        That many are either forced to be box safeties. That few are trained to run defense, read the QBs eyes, play zone, or cover, etc.

        Many are almost hybrid S/LBs.

        And the few who can cover, can’t tackle.

        It’s interesting. I wonder if it will be a continuing trend, or if maybe it’s simply this year’s batch.

        • willbest

          Nah… in 2 years the NCAA will boost the playoffs to 8 teams and college programs will no longer be able to cheese their way into a championship game using the spread offense.

          • It’ll be interesting to monitor if the spread does greatly decrease.
            I imagine it’s much easier to find athletes to play QB than to find traditional QBs like Brady, Peyton.

            The spread option QB seems like cheap response to that.

            Kinda like the 3-4 D.

            There just weren’t enough 6’6 270 DEs to go around, so the defenses had to get creative and tried a deeper pool of bodies (lot more 6’3 250 pounders).

            I think the major colleges with a tradition of it will snag the few true pocket passers (programs like USC, Stanford) and the rest will be left scrambling, literally.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I like the 3-4. I’m pumped. So many ways to attack the QB/run. Better pursuit on the run.

  • I almost hope the Bears deal Cutler just so people surrounding the Bears
    will stop talking about him. The conversation is SO tiring. – Jeff

    That’s the goal. Come join the all-night Cutty marathon. First caller gets a coupon to Sizzlers

    • willbest

      Jeff clearly doesn’t understand how we in Chicago operate. If it isn’t Cutler it would be somebody else.

      • True, but smoking cuttybadger is soooooo perfect. I mean, wasn’t he voted the most hated QB in the NFL? I mean, over accused rapist, convicted dog electrocuters, and general Dbags… CHI town won’t have a goat like this in a long time.

        • Big Mike

          Chicago sports fans love to hate.

        • BerwynBomber

          It is the Bears. If they ain’t winning there will always be another “Cutty” — and frankly I don’t think Cutty has come in for it that hard. The majority of the fans blamed coaches before Cutty. To a degree he has received a big pass.

    • John Doe

      Cutler should be demanding a trade as well. He needs a fresh start badly.

      He was the guy for the Bears during last 5 years. Every decision revolved around him. He had some good runs but played poorly at times as well. But there was something different about last year, especially after the Carolina game. His stature suffered badly. And he looked worse than average QB.

      He will no longer be undisputed starter on the Bears. He will be a starter on short leash if stays here. But most importantly, the joy, the thrill of having Jay Cutler as QB… as a QB who will win SB for Chicago is gone. Only the die hards want him to hang around.

      I am not sure even Cutler wants to be here with all the changes and the short leash going forward.

      • BerwynBomber

        It is too bad TENN isn’t interested. Would be ideal for all parties involved. Apparently Cutty loves the area and he and his family live there in the off-season.

        I wonder if Cutty secretly looks forward to the day when he can wear a ballcap and carry a clipboard.

        • John Doe

          Titans might be acting cool. They have not declared Mettenberger as starter. Their GM stopped short of saying that at the combine. And even if he is, they need a good plan B if he starts failing. Wisenhunt likes veteran QBs. He is not going to invest in another QB to develop other than Mettenberger. He is already in year 2 as head coach. He might want to go with Cutler-Mettenberger 1-2 QB options.

          I wouldn’t rule out Tennesse just yet.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly. Gut-feeling if you’re the Titans. Cutty or Mettenberger ?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Tennessee. This is our wet dream. This means Leonard Williams. My feeling is that the Titans would love Cutty but that they’re trying to leverage their second-rounder. Bank on this – there are several teams interested in Cutty. It’s a passing league and he’s a QB. It just comes down to price. Pace will hold out for a first, and so he should.

          Cutty’s gone. Fox didn’t take the job thinking he’d have to babysit the reason our offense doesn’t work. The wheels are in motion.

  • In other news, competition committee might make “defenseless receiver” reviewable. I’m with Bill, they should make everything reviewable (including PI, late hits, etc), but still keep the challenges the same.

    The NFL fears that making everything reviewable will “undermine” the refs.

    Ahh, yes, God-ell. That’s the point. They undermine themselves with bozo calls, so undermining them and reversing said bozo calls will actually overmine the NFL.

    Two wrongs making a right.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I think a mjority here agrees that they also need to stop making PI a spot foul.

      The concept 40 & 50+ yard penalties is ludicrous.

      • Not if they’re challengable, IMO.

        If they make it a 15 yarder, kiss long bombs good bye in the NFL. You’ll only see it on NFL films.

        It’s hard enough hitting a guy in stride 40 yards down the field, if the CB has that 15yarder in his pocket, he’ll use it every time.

        If the D can challenge if it actually was PI, well, then, it might be different.

        • BerwynBomber

          I disagree. Bombs are still heaved in college; they’ll still be heaved in the NFL. Think a DB wants that PI on a 3rd and eight? Fifteen yards is still a substantial penalty.

          • AlbertInTucson

            It’s also an automatic 1st down.

          • NewBearInTown

            I think it would be more trouble than its worth, but they could make it 15 yards for standard PI and a spot foul if its flagrant (or something like that). The goal is to let both players make a play on the ball without an unfair windfall to the offense for bad calls or an unfair safety penalty for the defense. I suspect defining “flagrant” will be too much trouble, but it would eliminate defenders just blowing up receivers on the long ball.

          • Big Mike

            But the coaching point will change. It will become “if you know you’re beat, commit the foul”. It will absolutely have an impact on the risk/reward ratio on offense and defense.

          • BerwynBomber

            Maybe but not nearly as much as Butch suggests. Why would teams stop heaving bombs if it will result in a free 15 yards?

          • Big Mike

            Because the risk/reward profile of a bomb has been altered. Right now you have 2 great outcomes a catch of XX yards or a penalty of XX yards, against the possibility of a sack, sack fumble, incompletion or an interception. You’ve changed one side of the equation dramatically.

          • BerwynBomber

            Not so dramatically that you would have “kiss long bombs goodbye in the NFL”. That’s nonsense.

          • Big Mike

            We’ll just disagree. I don’t know about disappear, but there will be a significant decline.

          • Well, I was just using hyberbole – I mean, afterall, hail marys SHOULDN’T exist, but they do.

            But my main point is that the long ball would dramatically decrease much like the rules have all but eliminated KR TDs.

        • willbest

          I was thinking about this, and I think the NFL could use a sort of penalty box. Loss of play (must sub out for 1 play, or longer if the O doesn’t sub). Or sub out for the series.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Oh? Like they’ve gone away in the college game? I don’t think that’s plausible.

          • In the NFL, nearly every CB is elite (compared to college).
            The margin of error is much smaller. Less busted plays. Tighter coverage. Superior athletes and technique.

            I know it cuts both ways, but it seems like long bombs are harder to come by at the NFL level than in the college ranks – as is, much less with the insurance 15 yard PI.

            I could be wrong though. Maybe it just seems that way too me.

          • Big Mike

            It would provide the defense with an advantage. I’ll foul the shit out of someone 30+ yards downfield if the penalty is a 15 yarder.

          • Yup. Esp if it’s toward the end of the game.
            Hail Mary’s from the 50? If there’s even a smidgen of doubt, mug the receivers.
            Even if it’s not. Let’s say a team has 1:40 left at their own 20.
            They throw a 40 yd bomb. The WR goes up, but the CB in a panic, totally destroys him.
            Whistle. 15 yards.

            So now the O has it on the 35 with maybe 1:10 instead of having it on their 40 with 1:10.

            That’s just one of many hypotheticals.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Never fails to amaze me how we seem to have rejected the idea of chucking receivers within five yards of the line. In a timing game why wouldn’t you be doing that all the time ? For years we’ve just stood back and let receivers run their routes. Jon Hoke, man. Baffles me. At least Fox agrees – he fired him last month. Ed Donatell is the dude now. Niners DB coach for three seasons, Broncos before that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            A lot of CBs are better ‘receivers’ than the guys they cover, hence my boner for accurate QBs over ‘franchise’ possibilities. You put it up there and it had better be on the WR’s outside shoulder or whatever. Peanut would have been a great receiver.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Nothing wrong with heaving a bomb if you’ve got a porn-star like Brandon Marshall underneath it.

          Shit, I’ve just been watching Jimmy Clausen highlights. You know who can throw an accurate bomb, put the ball where only the receiver can catch it, or hit a receiver on a go route in stride? Jimmy Clausen.

          Here’s what folks forget. He seems to listen to coaches, he’s not a know-it-all like Cutler. He’s still relatively young and he’s learning. He hasn’t been handed a 120M dollar contract and he can just sit back and enjoy the ride. He’s still hungry.

          I’ll bet he could run our offense better than a Cutty, and a hell of a lot cheaper. Sign him up for three years and have a QB competition in camp.

          After we off-load his royal highness.

  • John Doe

    Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 1h1 hour ago
    Ricky Jean Francois signed a 3-yr deal with Redskins. Deal is for $9mil, with $4mil guaranteed. Total value with incentives $11.25M.

    • GPLDAN

      Schefter and Rappaport basically own the NFL.

      All these other hack reporters may as well go home. These guys scoop everyone else.

  • GPLDAN

    Word is on the Score that Allen is none too pleased he will be asked to play 5-tech and also stand up in a 3-4. Displeased to say the least. But he’s stuck contractually and he wants to make his money.

    I hope his deal includes stipulations against injury and being on the field.

    The analyst felt lamar Houston has no ability to play 5-tech and might just be totally useless in the Fangio scheme.

    • Big Mike

      He’s right about Houston. Plus he’s injured. Sutton might also be useless. Who knew Peppers > Allen by a lot. Peppers adjusted. Not much trade value for Allen. I wonder how much $ is guaranteed in 2nd year of his deal. Maybe he’ll have a change of heart.

      • John Doe

        I think they will get this guy.

        Brad Biggs @BradBiggs · 4h4 hours ago

        #Rams release veteran DL Kendall Langford. Worth wondering if he would be a potential fit as an end for #Bears

        Sutton is completely useless in 3-4. He can’t play end or tackle.too small for both. They should trade him to a 4-3 team. Lovie could use another 3-tech. Sutton for Glennon straight up would be a fair trade.

        • NewBearInTown

          Sutton for Glennon is actually a really interesting suggestion.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Yup. I hink Clausen/Glennon/Fales is a pretty solid group given the pick you get for Cutty minus his salary. It makes the rest of the team better and gives you at least the chance of a fluid offense that’s not constantly srtangled by F-you-crazy-insane-WTF throws from himself.

      • NewBearInTown

        Cutting Allen is basically a zero sum gain. We have about a $12M cap hit either way.

      • CanadaBear

        His entire salary is guaranteed for this year.

    • Houston thrived in a similar scheme in Oakland before coming to Chicago.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Do ballers disappear because of scheme?

        • no, great players transcend scheme. Houston is not a great player, but he is a good one.

          I just don’t get all this talk about him not fitting well in Fangio’s scheme. He’s perfect for Fangio’s scheme. He will thrive in it.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            People who don’t understand are going to talk crap. It’s just how it is.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Houston looked totally useless last season either way. I know Barb has a boner for the guy but he did shit for us.

  • Dez Waltzing through Wal-Mart, smacking a ho?

    NFL Media has produced the incident/investigation report regarding a 2011 incident in a Wal-Mart parking lot that involved Dez Bryant.
    This is the incident that has been generating headlines and wild rumors over the last 24 hours. The report says an unknown person called police to explain a black female was “being dragged from one vehicle to another vehicle” by a black male. The vehicle the woman was dragged from was a Mercedes registered to Bryant. When police arrived on the scene, the alleged victim was not there. Soon after, she arrived in a Bentley with Bryant and said she had an argument with a man named Alex Person and that she was not assaulted in any way. The police let everyone go, determining there was no offense. It remains unclear if there is any video of the incident, although most Wal-Marts have security cameras. You can read the full incident report at the link below.

    • Moral of the story, smack and drag a ho, but only if you own a Bentley.

      • GPLDAN

        Smack and Drag. Now an app in the Android Play Store.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Can you get Whack-a-Ho on the iPhone ?

    • GPLDAN

      No link.

    • CanadaBear

      Gotta love the Cowgirls. Story has been around for 3+ years, police don’t care, really nobody cares and this is how they try to negotiate his new contract. The Crypt Keeper should just pay him and live with the consequences.

  • GPLDAN

    I almost hope the Bears deal Cutler just so people surrounding the Bears will stop talking about him. The conversation is SO tiring.

    Sorry to bore you Blogfather.

    He’s arguably the biggest mistake Bears management has ever made. His play ushered the end of not one but two GMs in team history. His blase’ attitude was essentially unthinkable in the 70s, 80s and 90s. He’s an organizational tumor the size of a helmet.

    So it *is* understandable, given he was the highest paid player in the NFL last year and represents the giant cap hit that he does, that people want to know if he’s getting traded.

    • John Doe

      Ha! ” He’s an organizational tumor the size of a helmet.”..

    • In Arnold voice, “It’s not a tuma!”
      And I’ll have to speak for Waffle in absentia

      “God dammit, GP, stop being such a contrarian!”

      • GPLDAN

        IHOP needs a dish, “Waffle in absentia”. It’s just a stack of pancakes in the shape of a hand giving the finger.

        • bwhaha special tradewind syrup to help that hangover from drinking and/or watching Cutty throw another INT in the redzone.

    • but in seriousness, we all gave him a chance.
      In that ONE game. Clausen showed more passion than Cutler the whole season, or seasons.
      When they cheap shotted him, and he sprung up and got in the face of the dirty ass Meows, it felt like I was waking from a 10 year stupor, “Whhhat…quarterbacks can show fight? Qbs can get passionate and fire up the team?”

      And spare me the Eli/Flacco comparisons. They seem more stoic than pissy.

      • GPLDAN

        I have some stoic

        http://buzzlie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/262.jpg

        Cue Pink FLoyd’s Time…

        • Irish Sweetness

          I’ll bet he still gets all the trim he wants.
          “Shorter of breath and one step closer to death ” is more our mantra.

      • John Doe

        Just wait till J Wood shows up and tells you how Cutler is better than Eli/Flacco.

      • This is what it felt like

        Is there anything Steven Seagal can’t capture the essence of? The answer is no, no there isnt…

        • GPLDAN

          Master Thespian!

        • Irish Sweetness

          As always. If anyone has not heard Rob Schneider telling Kennan Ivory Wayan’s story about Steven Segal, one simply must.

      • come on. remember the 49ers game? cutler got DRILLED. he got up slowly, but he got up. and he shat on the 9ers defense the rest of the game. that was some fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etn64WbidFQ

        • Cutty could always take a hit. I was never one who questioned his toughness (how can anyone after that G-men game?)

          But punching bags don’t necessarily inspire or rally teams.

          The only time I’ve seen Cutty fire up his team was when he lowered down his shoulder against that Steeler’s cb.

          I admit, that was pretty awesome, but that seems like a lifetime ago.

    • John Doe

      Biggest mistake is right.

      2 first rounders, a 3rd rounder + Kyle Orton for Jake Cutler.

      Considering how much Bears gave up to get him, Jake should have won them at least one Super Bowl. Don’t care about bad OL, bad defense, when a team spends that much to get you, you should be a special player that overcomes deficiencies on your team.

      I continue to believe that the Cutler trade is the second worst trade.. second only to the RGIII trade.

      • In recent times right, cuz there was a little trade the Cowboys did in the 90s with the Vikes…

        • GPLDAN

          The Broncos didn’t convert the Cutler picks into shit. A couple years ago I ran down the list, wish I kept it. They made the trade into nothing.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, but it was a haul for them. They just blew the picks. Trying to think what relatively young QB would command such a price now in a trade. You know, beyond untradeable assets like Luck or Wilson. Matt Ryan?

          • GPLDAN

            Two 1sts, a 3rd and the opposing team starting QB?

            Jags might pay that for Big Ben. All I got.

          • BerwynBomber

            Nah, Big Ben’s too old at this point. I guess it would have to be Luck or Wilson. In terms of a young guy, as Cutty was.

          • NewBearInTown

            Closest analogue would be Kaepernick, who has some of the same drama surrounding his contract.
            But first round picks are worth a lot more now than they used to be with in the “rookie wage scale era.” The same teams in the same situation wouldn’t make that trade with the new rules in place.

          • John Doe

            Rams didin’t convert their haul from RGIII trade into anything. Greg Robinson might become a good LT but he had a bad rookie year.

          • BerwynBomber

            And the Browns converted their Trent Richardson swindle into Johnny Foosball.

          • Johnnywad

            And our GM’s were busy drafting Gabe Carimi and Shea with first rounders. Its far more likely JA would have squandered our picks on garbage than no. I’d definitely make the trade and give up a Kyle Orton for what appeared to be a young, VERY promising QB, with all the tools.

            IMHO its like gambling. Just because you lost, doesn’t mean you made the wrong play.

          • I know when I found out the news, I literally jumped in excitement. I still remember exactly where I was. I had on NFL network, or espn, and I heard the news just as I was walking out the door for work. I stood a little while to try to get more info, but didn’t want to be late, so I had to take off.

            But man, I had like the biggest smile that whole day, and all I could think about was we were gonna win a SB when pairing him with our D.

            Fast forward about 6 years, and now I’m rooting for Cutler…to leave.

            “We stand breathless on the clean edge of change…until a smoking listless QB kicks you over and all you catch falling down is the fading echo of…dddooooont caarreeee”

          • willbest

            In fairness that might have been the case in 2010 or 2011 without some ill timed injuries. If we had had Brandon Marshall or a decent LT either of those years…

          • Irish Sweetness

            This. People might think Ditka was crazy for selling out his team’s draft to nab Ricky Williams. He thought maybe he could get another Walter. Wasn’t necessarily the wrong player, just that he was in the wrong head-space. A happy contented Ricky Williams would have been a great running back.

          • That’s like finding out your best bud banged your wife…your wife with herpes…

            Yay???

          • Irish Sweetness

            But the option was there for them, unfortunately they put the picks in the hands of an oxygen-deprived baby.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Can you imagine the damage we would have done with Kyle plus those picks – assuming the GM wasn’t a total fucktard, which he was?

        • there’s a reason Orton spent 85% of the time since then as a backup.

    • Irish Sweetness

      This, and only this.

  • John Doe

    John Clayton: Brandon Marshall Could Be Next NFC North Player Cut

    http://sportsmockery.com/2015/02/john-clayton-brandon-marshall-could-be-next-nfc-north-player-cut/

    • Scharfinator

      Good god, do you ever stop with the reposts? I would love to see a post with some substance.

      • John Doe

        Why are you getting so worked up? Settle down.

        I am just providing info to people. You can ignore it.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          maybe its the fact that over the last 3-4 threads you have already speculated and posted numerous twits saying the same damn thing. it is getting old. atleast this time it is from someone that is credible.

          • John Doe

            Beat it, dude. Notwithstanding your whining, I will post what I want

          • Scharfinator

            Glad I’m not alone.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Find a post/poster tiresome or repetitive?

        Friendly suggestions:

        A) Don’t respond ( you know my “Troll policy”)

        or

        B) Respond only by using the “Collapse” feature to the left of the flag to make it disappear from your screen.

        • Scharfinator

          I can only collapse boxes for so long! IT’S DRIVING ME TO DEPRAVITIES I AM NOT TYPICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH.

          I wonder if Disqus lets you block particular users… I need to look into that.

        • CanadaBear

          I broke my troll policy for Cheesy because he isn’t your standard issue troll. You can actually have an intelligent exchange with him. Policy is firmly in place for the troll in our midst.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Too many “The Bears Suck” , stand alone, posts from that quarter for me to grant non-troll status there.

          • CanadaBear

            Oh, he’s still a troll and will happily admit it. Other than those bears suck posts (which probably add up to about 6 posts per year), he’s OK. That’s more than I can say for the troll in our midst. Totally understand where you’re coming from.

    • Irish Sweetness

      “the growing tension between Marshall and the Bears…”

      Thanks to the media !!!

      • BearDown100393

        And Marshall is part of the media right?

  • Net Neutrality, ya bitches!

  • In terms of worst trades in recent memory, the Bears’ one has to be giving up a 2nd round pick for Gaines Adams, who was already a bust when the Bears got him.
    Around the NFL, the trade for Carson Palmer by the Raiders was beyond stupid. Gave up a 1st and 2nd for a QB who hadn’t been good in years and shipped him off after 2 middling years for a 6th.
    Those are both far and away worse trades than the Cutler deal. As was the myriad of trades in the last decade giving up 2nd round picks for backups who looked good in short stints and then turned out to be backups.

    • BearDown100393

      Prior to being injured (again), Palmer was decent in Arizona under Arians.

      • yep, getting him for a 6th was a solid move for the Cardinals. But the Raiders giving up a 1st and 2nd for him was atrocious.

        • BearDown100393

          Desperate measures rarely pay off.

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      Let’s not forget the bears traded a first to Seattle for Rick Mirer.

  • John Doe

    A Josh McCown derby.. a race to sign McCown..Who would have thunk..

    With McCown gone, Bears could target Hoyer?

    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 13h13 hours ago

    #Browns & #Bills Working To Sign QB Josh McCown http://bit.ly/1zi5W5N

    • BearDown100393

      One team’s garbage is another team’s treasure.

    • BerwynBomber

      They can have him. McCown still cashing in on his 2013 year.

  • There’s been a ton of talk about what the Bears should do with Cutler. I’m curious about what they will do with him, so I looked at recent teams in similar situations (new coach, new GM, good but not great veteran QB incumbent) to see how they handled it.

    Turns out they pretty much all kept the incumbent QB around for 1 year, but had his replacement on the roster pretty quickly and had him shipped out within 2 years. Seems like a reasonable approach that we could see mirrored in Chicago.

    http://dabearsbeat.com/2015/02/27/new-gmcoach-combos-quarterbacks/

    • NewBearInTown

      “If history is any indication, Jay Cutler will likely be the starting quarterback for the Bears in 2015, but don’t expect him to be around long. There is a decent chance Ryan Pace and John Fox will look to acquire Cutler’s eventual replacement this offseason, or next year at the very latest. I will be fairly surprised if Cutler is still on Chicago’s roster come 2017, and I expect there will be a fairly highly regarded young player pushing him by the start of 2016 at the latest.”

      This is what I expect to happen eventually as well. But the question remains “who?” Who will the Bears make a move to grab.
      We were all in the dark on the coaching decision till Fox became available. Then it was almost a no brainer decision for Pace and all he had to do was close the deal (which, to his credit, he did without a problem).
      We are now in the dark on the QB decision as well. There is no obvious choice. The question is not if but who. Either another clear favorite will be available and Pace will get credit for closing the deal. Or Pace will do what teams like Seattle, San Francisco and St Louis all did prior to their current starters arriving. He’ll draft someone with a pulse and hope. And we’ll suffer for a year or two until a better option finally does emerge.

      • beninnorcal

        Hoyer. No, Ponder. No, I meant Gabbert. Final answer.

      • It was split in how they approached it. Some teams traded for guys (Seattle did this in 2010, gave up a 3rd for Charlie Whitehurst). Most drafted (STL got Bradford #1 overall after a year of Bulger, OAK drafted Pryor, SF drafted Kaepernick). Pryor and Kaepernick both sat for at least a year before taking over.
        So I wouldn’t be shocked to see a QB drafted in the middle rounds to sit for a year or two. But in a supposedly really weak draft class, maybe they wait a year, draft somebody next year, and plan to move on from Cutler in 2 years (so give the guy a year to sit)? I don’t know.
        It’s also possible he gets traded now if they get a good offer. He certainly has a higher value than any of those other guys did when the new regime took over.

        • Johnnywad

          That’s just it. Nobody outside Halas Hall knows what the plans for Marshall, Cutler and Forte are. Hell, its possible that Pace and Fox don’t even know yet. Outside of retweeting a bunch of Aaron Leming, what is to be done? Nothing. We wait. Fuck Aaron Leming.

          Nothing would surprise or upset me at this point. I have more faith in the folks in Halas Hall to get this right than I’ve had in a while.

    • The list of “replacement” QBs doesn’t inspire optimism:

      Kellen Clemens, Chad Henne, Curtis Painter, Matt Cassel, Josh Freeman, Keith Null, Trent Edwards, Terrell Pryor…

      I guess if you’re an optimist, you can land guys like Matt Ryan, Stafford, McNab? Kap? Palmer? Alex Smith? (and obviously Luck, the lottery ticket of QBs), but I understand the trepidation some Cutty “supporters” feel in venturing into the QB Wilderness.

      • the replacement would likely come in the draft. Or a trade for a Kirk Cousins type, a backup elsewhere who’s shown some promise.
        The “top” FAs would not be considered long-term options. They would be bridge options if the Bears trade Cutler.

  • John Doe

    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 4m4 minutes ago
    Report: Colts Looking For A New No. 2 Receiver, Brandon Marshall An Option? http://bit.ly/1wr3CJj

    • beninnorcal

      You sure hope so, John Doe, you sure hope so.

      • SC Dave

        Jeez… will you guys stop feeding the fucking troll already?!?

  • beninnorcal

    Hi, I’m John Doe. You guys know what? I heard from some guy on Twitter that the Bears are getting rid of Marshall. Yup. You know what else? I heard from this other guy on Twitter that the Bears are also getting rid of Brandon Marshall. Uh-huh.

    • John Doe
      • beninnorcal

        I heard he may just quit football and take up curling. Heard this on Twitter earlier.

        • Scharfinator

          He’s also competing in the mayonnaise eating trials sponsored by Helms. He’s dying it green for mental health awareness as well.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            they are also filming it for “Inside the NFL”

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          i really hope this is true. I love curling and i would love to see an elite athlete throwing stones on the sheet.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Patriots, Ravens. Of course they want him. They’re in the Super Bowl chase, not into fucking around.

    • Johnnywad

      Well at least he stopped retweeting Aaron Leming.

      • CanadaBear

        Pretty sure Dave was on the money when he said AL=JD

        • Johnnywad

          Can’t disagree

  • How could teams consider Brandon Marshall a #2 WR? That’s laughable.
    Also, concerns about Marshall’s maturity are vastly overrated. In a stable locker room environment, he is not only not a problem, he is an off-field asset.

    • I agree. I understand why some want him gone (Mostly, challenging ppl to fights on twitter – everything else, like that he’s a distraction in the locker room or that doing the show reduced his production – is conjecture).
      It’s OBVIOUS Bmarsh has a passion for the game. He was one of the few who gave a fuck last season when Briggs wiped off BBQ sauce from his belly, and Cutty shrugged his shoulder and dumped it off.

      Bmarsh fucked up his hamstring early on and still tried playing on one leg. Then later, his knee twisted in a way that would make most mortals wheel chair bound, but he played through that too. That could’ve easily been his excuse to throw in the towel on the season, but he refused.

      Why? Cuz he’s the real deal. Cuz that’s what leaders do. Cuz that’s what ppl with a passion do. Cuz that’s what ppl with integrity and heart do.

      Naturally, this passion can carry over a bit, and the frustration set in. Obviously, he can’t challenging Juggalos to fights on twitter, but it’s not as if he’s knocking ppl out at wal-marts, or getting arrested on gun/weed/disorderly conduct charges, or whipping a kid with a tree-branch.

      In fact, he’s very active with the community (almost to a fault).

      And on top of this, Bmarsh (not Cutler) takes a select few with him before the off-season to get a jump on training, to personally mentor Cubs on how to become consistent pro-bowl players.

      And you want to get rid of THAT? Seriously?

      Now, if Fox and gang conclude all that is outweighed by his erratic negative LOCKER-ROOM influence, then so be it…but I for one am not rooting for that outcome.

      Call me crazy.

      • BearDown100393

        The only thing that really apparently matters to Bears management is not doing Inside the NFL.

        • I’m sure they don’t want Bmarsh challenging Kid Rock to fights on twitter either, and none of us really know if he is indeed a distraction in the locker room, but yeah, he’s not doing Inside the NFL on the Bears this season, that’s for sure.

          It’s not so much that it does indeed distract, but it gives the appearance that he’s not focused (kinda like when Briggs promoted his shitty BBQ joint).

          • BearDown100393

            To the Bears players credit, not much (actually has any?) has been spoken in public about Marshall’s involvement with Inside the NFL. However I do wonder how they truly feel about his participation and the obvious trust factors associated with a teammate doubling as a media figure during season.

      • SC Dave

        “…or that doing the show reduced his production – is conjecture”

        No, it’ correlation.

  • AlbertInTucson
    • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
      That totally bums me out. I’m a bit of Trekkie. That totally sucks.
      Star Trek was only on for 3 seasons! Has a tv show made a bigger impact in a shorter amount of time?

      I remember hearing an interview with him, how his Jewish (I think Orthodox) parents really looked down on him becoming an actor initially, but that he did it anyway because that’s where his passion lied.

      Gotta respect that. Takes a lot of hutzpah.

      Live long and prosper in the undiscovered country, my friend.

    • BearDown100393

      Captain Kirk must be devastated. He will now have to eulogize his best friend again.

      • They should just play this at his funeral

        • GPLDAN

          He has been, and always will be, our friend.

          (From the comments)

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    Just had to point out the sheer f-cking stupidity of the “stockpile draft picks…like the Detroit Lions!” philosophy.
    The Lions were a terrible, terrible team for years…perpetual cellar dwellers with lots of high first round picks.
    And they’ve made the playoffs twice in 16 years (via wildcard by the way) only to lose both times right out of the gate.

    They stink – they will always stink – and stockpiling draft picks by being shitty just means you have a shitty team. That’s it. It has no correlation to future success.
    The Patriots don’t restock by interspersing 5-11 years between playoff/Super Bowl runs.

    • I think the more accurate comparison to what people are suggesting the Bears do is the Oakland Raiders. The new GM showed up in 2011 or 2012 and purged the roster of every notable veteran contract. They’ve picked in the top 5 every year since then, and still suck.
      But then you look at the Seattle Seahawks, who had basically an entirely new team from when their coach/GM took over in 2010 to 2012. It’s just that they killed all those drafts, so they’re now one of the best teams in the NFL.

      • seriously, though, look at who Seattle landed in drafts from 2010-2012. It’s unreal.
        2010: Earl Thomas, Russell Okung, Golden Tate, Walter Thurmond, Kam Chancellor
        2011: James Carpenter, KJ Wright, Richard Sherman, Byron Maxwell, Malcolm Smith
        2012: Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson, Jeremy Lane

      • BerwynBomber

        Seattle also had a ton of draft picks — yep, they were stockpiling.

        This “look at Detroit and Oakland, see guys stockpiling draft picks doesn’t work” argument is stupid. It is just code for “OMG, please don’t trade Cutty or BM.”

        Stockpiling works fantastic if you draft well and have good coaches and developmental programs. How do you think Dallas built their 90s dynasty?

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Again, my point was regarding teams that dump their rosters in the hope that high draft picks equal a competitive team later. You do realize I pointed out that the Patriots manage to do it without cratering every other year.

          • top picks have less value relative to other picks in football than most sports. It’s a tougher sport to predict because so much depends on scheme and coaching.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Don’t tell Matt Millen that.
            Or Irish.

        • I was going to look into stockpiling draft picks, but started the research and called it quits. Halfway through the NFL, I found every team was between 7.5 and 8.5 picks per year on average over the last 10 years. Not really all that much of a difference. I didn’t see any trend between number of picks and team success either.

          • BerwynBomber

            Stockpiling draft picks is not easy to do. At most you may see a team with three extras in one year. Only team I remember having that number in recent years is Seattle. But I know NE had extras for what seemed like every year. (For one thing, they were always trading down.)

            I honestly don’t recall DET or OAK ever stockpiling draft picks. What I do recall is both selecting badly but not w/ any large number of picks. In fact, if anything OAK seemed to go the overpaid FA route.

    • I don’t agree with sucking to stock-pile draft picks before the season even begins. That’s bad mojo.

      But the Pats and 9ers did indeed stock-pile a lot of picks in recent years, but mostly they did it through savvy draft day trades and unloading certain players.

      • GPLDAN

        SI had an excellent piece on Bellicheat’s lack of sentimentality.

        Even the players who suffered from it, like Randy Moss who really really wanted to stay, come to appreciate and admire the strength of commit to say that no player is really that important except perhaps the QB.

        We should have done that with Urlacher. Sentimentality meant putting up with lack of performance.

        • I think they moved on from Urlacher at the perfect time. They just handled the situation poorly.

          • GPLDAN

            I think you are incorrect. 2 full seasons, at least, of a guy in the middle who no longer had it. Couldn’t run down Rodgers anymore, he let Tom Brady juke him cold.

            God that clip is sad.

          • Chicago’s defense in 2011 and 2012 (his last 2 years) was still very good. Like Ray Lewis, he offered the intelligence and leadership that made up for his failing physical abilities.

          • GPLDAN

            Now I think it is you who has fallen to the sentimentality that permeates the Bear Fan nation. We want those player greats so badly on that ring of fame, we hold on past when it is time to part ways.

            In Chicago, I believe this is known as getting Carlton Fiskted.

          • Data is incapable of emotions, unless he inserts his meathead chip.

          • GPLDAN

            I loved Meathead Chip when they opened for Fugazi.

          • Urlacher was a shell of his former self after his knee injury at the end of the 2011 season. He was arguably Chicago’s worst starting defender in 2012 based solely on individual play.
            But they had nobody on hand to replace him (as we saw the last 2 years) and he was the leader of that locker room, so I still think he was a solid contributor for them in 2012. But another injury at the end of that year made it clear it was time for him to be done.

          • GPLDAN

            After he had his verterbrae in his neck operated on in early 2010, he perfected the “bullfighting” tackle – where you sidestep guys coming at you and then use the arms to wrap the legs. He looked like a matador with a cape.

            This usually meant backs getting quite a bit of extra yardage or even breaking his tackle. He was clearly not up for contact anymore.

        • Lach of performance…I see what you did there…

        • AlbertInTucson

          That would be “Lach” of perfomance in that case, no?

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Exactly – losing for picks is stupid. Tolerating a losing season in the desperate hope of catching lightning in a bottle because you’re drafting a couple spots higher – just unacceptable.
        The Pats manage without crashing and burning their roster.

    • GPLDAN

      I appreciated that Matt Millen drafted a wideout in the 1st round for 4 years straight until he hit big on Calvin Johnson. I appreciated his tenacity because it parlayed into stupidity so nicely.

      • He was testing the GW formula…fool me once shame on you…fool me twice, fool me, you can’t get fooled again.

    • BerwynBomber

      Dallas built their 90s dynasty via stockpiling draft picks. The Pats stockpile draft picks every year if they can. Moreover, Marshall’s contract would have been anathema to them. Cutty’s and Forte’s too.

      The irony is that, short of Cutty, the Pats might be interested in Forte and maybe even Marshall as one year rentals. But they would have never given the existing deals in the first place.

      • Rumor is, the Pats are gonna snag AP once the Vikes cut him.
        And they’ll end up re-signing the merc Revis too.

        • willbest

          Only reason AP plays for the Pats is if he wants a trophy. Otherwise he find more money elsewhere.

          • BerwynBomber

            Belichick, I bet, would love to add Forte for a year.

          • SC Dave

            or three

          • That’s the only reason anyone signs with the Pats, for that ring.
            Worked for Revis and a few others.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        You didn’t read what I said…but thanks for playing!

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        They stockpiled lots of draft picks by fleecing Minnesota for one player.

        • SC Dave

          This. The Vikings gifted Dallas a mini-dynasty. The Hershall Walker thing was the worst move since the Red Sox let Ruth go to the Yankees.

    • Scharfinator

      It may have a correllation… if you could bring in a good coaching staff after a stock pile and turn dog shit into gold like the alchemists of old.

  • John Doe

    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 3m3 minutes ago
    Report: Evidence Suggests Eagles Prepared To Make A “Strong Play” For Marcus Mariota http://bit.ly/1Ai605B

    • BerwynBomber

      I have a feeling Mariota falling to #7 is a pipedream.

      • John Doe

        Agreed. Can’t see the Jets not picking him or trade the #6 spot for picks to Browns or Eagles. Browns or Eagles are the only two team who could jump up to get him. Rams have a need but they do not have the firepower.

        Only the Eagles can make Mariota productive right from week1. And that is because of Chip Kelly. And that is why they would not mind giving up next years 1st for him. Mariota is not a project for Chip Kelly.

        • BerwynBomber

          As an NFL fan I am kinda hoping the Iggles get Mariota. Could be interesting. Neither Foles nor Sanchez were ideal fits for Kelly’s system. Mariota is.

          Could also result in Foles being on the market. Bears would be smart to make a run at him if it happens.

          • John Doe

            Foles, Glennon, Hoyer, Sanchez, Clausen can all be bridge QB for Bears for 1-2 years if they manage to trade away Cutler.

            Heck Fox went to playoffs with Tebow.

          • BerwynBomber

            Foles can potentially be more than a bridge, IMO.

            I’m wary of a full season of Clausen or Hoyer.

          • AlbertInTucson

            But he did a 180 from year 1 to year to when it came to turnovers.

          • yeah, I am not a fan of Foles.

        • Yeah, IF Mariota falls to #6, the Jets will be in a prime position. They can trade that pick to the Eagles for two #1s AND Foles.

          Bears, as usual, will be one pick too late.

          • John Doe

            That week 3 win against the Jets coming back to haunt the Bears. If only the ref did not blow the call on Cutler fumble by ruling it dead rather than return for TD. If only Geno Smith had not blown opportunities on the final drive.

  • Peanut FTW

    Yay Bears signed Zach Miller for another year, felt awful for that kid.

    • he played 4 games in 2011 and has now missed 3 straight seasons with injuries. That means he’s missed 3.75 of the last 4 years hurt.

      I hope Miller pans out and can stay healthy to contribute as a 2nd TE, but I’m not holding my breath.

      • Scharfinator

        I echo your sentiments. I also hope we signed him for super cheap.

        • I will be shocked if it’s anything other than the vet. minimum with no guaranteed money. No GM in his right mind would give anything more than that to a guy who hasn’t played in 3 years.

  • regarding stockpiling picks: smart teams move on from veterans too soon rather than too late. But they also have replacements ready on the roster. They also stockpile picks by taking advantage of desperate teams in the draft and trading back, and by taking advantage of the compensatory picks system. There are a lot of ways to stockpile picks outside of dumping veterans under contract.

    • also, a full-scale tear down and rebuild doesn’t work in the NFL like any other sport for a variety of reasons.

      NHL and MLB have minor leagues where you can develop talent, so you can lose at the top level for years to land great picks while still developing your studs of the future.

      NBA has a high premium on the top few picks, because the draft is less of a crapshoot there and almost all the star players are drafted in the top 5.

      Also all of those sports have more guaranteed contracts than the NFL, so the salary implications of trades are drastically different. And NHL and MLB have no minimum spending level, to the best of my knowledge.

      • BerwynBomber

        Agreed. And I sense the Bears will end up with only one extra draft pick via a Marshall trade.

        Much as I like speculating about a bridge replacement for Cutty, my guess is he is the starter for the Bears in 2015. But I could see them drafting a QB in the second or third round.

    • GPLDAN

      Exactly.

      You can’t afford to get rid of vets when you draft like shit. And Glitchy drafted like shit. Emery was slightly better, but was still prone to strikeouts with the bases loaded.

  • Hey, GP, have you checked out the new SCG-003?

    http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/scg-003-revealed-revealed-2015-02-27

    • GPLDAN

      It appears to a be a street legal LMP Class race car.

      I guess that’s where it’s heading. Clarkson is trying to politic his way into the P1 vs. 918 vs. LaFerrari race-off. Hoping for that.

  • Johnnywad

    Josh McCown got three years with the Browns. Three years.

    A.). Good for Josh. Good dude.

    B.). Holy shit.

    Josh had a short bit nice stretch here in Chicago. He’s managed to turn that into four more years in the league. This, despite being horrific in Tampa Bay last year. Apparently the Browns weren’t watching. Further, that is a very clear indicator of what the league thinks of the available herd of sub par quarterbacks. Not much.

    • Josh would not approve of your blasphemy, and if you blaspheme while jerking it, he will smote thee.

      But really, damn. He was pretty futile in TB, but then again, it was Lovie.

      • GPLDAN

        “Blaspheme while jerking it” – Track 3, Blizzard of Ozz.

    • CanadaBear

      They are hoping he will help Manziel grow up.

      • willbest

        Probably best QB in the league to help with that

    • Big Mike

      Cleveland is a QB circus. Everyone that wants to get rid of Cutler, needs to look at what happens to a franchise when they have to keep looking for one. For god’s sake look at the Bears for that 10 year period with Krenzel and the band of goofs.

      • Johnnywad

        Henry Burris

        • Big Mike

          Jonathan Quinn

          • Johnnywad

            Chad Hutchinson.

          • Big Mike

            Washed up Kordell Stewart

          • Big Mike

            Craig Krenzel

          • Johnnywad

            Todd Collins

  • GPLDAN

    I’m trying to imagine what Mike Martz will tell these guys about Jay.

    http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/bears-looking-past-coaches-read-jay-cutler

    “Well, he’s a prick. Everybody knows that. He does what you tell him until he doesn’t. And often he gets the dia-beetus moment on the reads. He can’t be fixed.”

    It’s kind of sad going around to the ex-coaches trying to figure out how to get some performance out of the broken toy.

    • willbest

      The evidence suggests that Jay did exactly what Martz wanted him all the way up to the season ending injuries. And yeah he had a fair amount of bad throws into double coverage, but you sort of expect that when your O-line isn’t going to reliably get you 2 seconds to throw the ball and you are on a 7 step drop.

    • BerwynBomber

      Considering most of Cutty’s ex-coaches took the bullet for him, I have no problem with these guys being queried by Pace and/or Fox and staff for reassessment. Puts Cutty on further notice for once.

      I would like to think Martz would say something fair along the lines of “Jay’s an average QB with flashes of upside and a big arm. He played well for us before being hurt in 2011. But don’t let him audible. He wants to audible but he is one of the worst in the league at it.”

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      If true it’s one of the most stupid and pathetic things I’ve ever heard.

      The idiocy would be mind blowing.

  • GPLDAN

    Bring Hoyer in to backup Jay?

    • BerwynBomber

      Bringing in Hoyer might result in an open competition.

      • No. No it wouldn’t. Not even close.

        Hoyer has one season in his career in which he attempted at least 100 passes (so at least 4 full games). He threw more INT than TD and ended up with a passer rating of 76.5.

        For his career, he has 19TD, 19 INT, and and 76.8 passer rating.

        He is nowhere close to the caliber of QB Cutler is. Cutler is one of 15-20 QBs who are at least solid starters in the NFL. Hoyer is not. The line of demarcation between those groups is massive.

        • John Doe

          The $$$ difference between Cutler and Hoyer is also massive. And when you take that into account, Cutler is not worth it.

          John Fox won and went to playoffs with Tim Tebow.

          He would do just fine with Hoyer as QB.

          • That’s an entirely different argument than “Cutler vs. Hoyer would be a QB competition.”

            FWIW, I’d still rather have Cutler at $18M a year than Hoyer at $5M per year. Because Hoyer is a terrible QB, while Cutler is not, and that matters-a lot-in the NFL.

            Fox went 8-8 with a Tebow/Orton platter in quite possibly the worst division the NFL has seen this millenium, which means 6/16 games were against 3 of the 6 or 7 worst teams in the NFL. He would have been 4-12 with that team in the current NFC North.

          • John Doe

            The point is Fox and Pace do not value Cutler as much as you do.

            Think about it… Has it ever happened that a franchise QB who was paid $22 million in the last season was left to twist in the in the wind in the off season?

            If they get rid of Cutler, it will be addition by subtraction. They get rid of a pouty player who does not lift the team in a bad situation, who is not a good leader, who will take up a lot of cap space this year and next year and thus prevent investing in other position/players etc.

          • BerwynBomber

            “The point is Fox and Pace do not value Cutler as much as you do.”

            Exactly.

          • Big Mike

            But you can’t go back in time.

        • BerwynBomber

          So says the guy who thought the Rams would have won five more games last year with Cutler and made the playoffs. You seem to live an alternative universe where Cutty has made the playoffs more than once in his entire career.

          Hoyer finished 24th in QBR. Jay finished 21st. Saying the difference is “massive” is like saying the difference between Jay and Cam Newton is massive. Wanna go there?

          Look, I think Cutty is the better QB. I think he would win an open competition. But if you think they would bring in Hoyer and immediately hand the keys to Cutty, you are smoking dust.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            mmmm, i like smoking dust. that “open competition” would be like comparing a standard burger from ‘5 Guys’ and McDonalds. so not really a competition.

  • BerwynBomber

    Glad we resisted the McCown temptation. Only use for him here would have been if we hand the reins to Fales or a draft pick. He would have been utterly redundant backing up Jay again, per Blogfather’s wishes. Horrible idea.

  • GPLDAN

    Will never understand the obsession over guesses. Its all guesses. And people lose their minds.

    Finally Jeff tweets something I agree with. There are a few on this blog who love, love, love dissecting the draft. It’s all well and good, it’s part of why I think this blog attracts the most knowledgeable Bears fans. But man, does it get long in the tooth.

    I prefer to really talk Bears after the draft and after the roster pares down. For me, fandom starts at camp downstate.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I believe there were 2 guys that called Fuller. I also called a Fuller type CB, but without naming him because I didn’t know any of the players.

      I think the draft talk is valuable, but regarding position, not actual and specific players.
      I’ll talk for days about what position and player type the bears should draft, but I have nothing to say about this or that player.

    • Big Mike

      neither of whom (ego and sutton) will do shit for us this year… SMH

    • Trac

      Some dude actually did call out Fuller in the contest. Some guy I never heard of.

  • Dockett is gonna be 34. Any takers?

    Profootballtalk reports the Cardinals released DE Darnell Dockett because the sides couldn’t agree on his market value.
    The Cardinals attempted to extend Dockett after he refused to take a pay cut, but were unwilling to meet his asking price. Dockett will only return to Arizona if he can’t get a better deal on the open market. The Cardinals are a projected $17 million under the 2015 salary cap. – Roto

    • beninnorcal

      For the right price..

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      He’s to old. They already have Ratliff, who’s a very similar player.

    • Big Mike

      Absolutely not.

  • wow. That’s crazy. Can’t WE trade up then trade that pick to the Eagles?

    According to Philly Voice’s Jimmy Kempski, “evidence continues to build” that the Eagles plan to trade up for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
    We’ve followed Kempski’s work for years and can’t ever remember him being wrong. Most notably, he called the DeSean Jackson release well in advance. Kempski acknowledges he previously believed Philly moving up for Mariota was “unrealistic,” but now “it appears the Eagles are determined to get their guy.” Moving up from No. 20 into the top-two picks would likely cost Philadelphia most of its 2015 draft class, in addition to a 2016 first-round pick. – Roto

    • BerwynBomber

      Nah, we don’t want to stockpile picks because you know, presumably, the Lions once did it. (When that happened I don’t know. But hey, it got plenty of up votes.)

      Joshing aside, your idea, albeit interesting, is probably no more than a shell game that other teams or GM would be wise to: why bring in a middle man when they can deal with Philly themselves. But yeah, would be nice, eh? A fan can dream.

      • John Doe

        If Pace really wants to trade back and prefers having more shots in this draft, I think he will get offers at #7.

        We can pretty much guess the 6 players picked before Bears are on the clock at #7.

        Winston and Mariota definitely gone. Mariota either by teams in the existing order or someone jumping up to get him. If Mariota is available at #7 —> Advantage Bears and Pace.

        Supposing Mariota and Winston are gone. That is 2 out of 6. Who will be in the four?

        Leonard Williams will definitely be gone.

        The next 3 to be picked will be from this group: Randy Gregory, Dante Fowler, Shane Ray, Kevin White.

        The word from last couple of days is that Titans and Jags might go for Shane Ray. That will shake things up.

        What if Kevin White is available at #7? Pace will be fielding calls from 49ers who need a receiver badly and Browns who need a replacement for Josh Gordon.

        I say collect more picks if either Mariota or Kevin White are available at #7.

        • BerwynBomber

          I’m all for that too. Considering the Bears’ roster/problems, about the only way I would not trade down #7 is if there were a QB available that I wanted. Otherwise, yep turn it into more picks.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t know, at 7 you can pick the best of any number of slots. DT/DE/OLB/S. I think it’s a big drop off to go to the second half of the first round. At the same time

            In this year’s draft you’d be trading away a top 5 football player for a late 1st round and perhaps a 2nd round guy. Seems risky. Although who knows we could bomb the first pick and end up with a Stan Thomas or Cedrick Bensen.

            My biggest hope is a run on offensive players. WR’s, QBs. Probably not going to happen. OLB and DE I suspect.

          • BerwynBomber

            Valid points. With the Bears D issues I would be inclined to favor two competent guys vs. one really good guy, but I can see your reasoning too.

          • Big Mike

            Now if Mariota drops to 7 and we can walk away with a haul of draft picks…

        • If Cleveland calls looking to trade up to land a WR, I’d be ecstatic. Take #12 and their 2nd round pick and don’t look back.

          • Big Mike

            I concur. Staying in the top 15 is important. Taking a look at mock drafts being in the top 15 pretty much ensures getting a top a top 10 defensive player (at least 5 picks will be QB, WR, OT.

        • I think most teams have White/Cooper 1A/1B, much like JulioJones/Greene, though Falcons obviously thought enough of Jones to give a ransom.

          It’s also a deep WR class, so some might be ok with a “B” type WR.

          What I’m saying is that the WR crop this year might make teams patient when it comes to that position.

    • Big Mike

      I had thought about that same scenario. Big Balls.

  • Will never understand the obsession over guesses. Its all guesses. And people lose their minds. – Jeff

    Says the guy who gambles? lol

    Talk about the ultimate high on GUESSING.
    (Cue the “I got a system!” mush)

  • George Hotchkiss

    Good Morning, I am not writing to defend Jay Cutler, I am writing to try to bring a little focus to the fray. Firstly, last season was an abberation brought on by horrifically bad coaching. No player looked good, Jay did not kill Trestman, Trestman did. The Bears won before Trestman. The Bears lost their starting guards in game 12 of 2012, from then on the running game was over. The 10-6 finish wasn’t enough to get in the playoffs. Without those injuries the Bears were poised to make noise in the playoffs. So kill Cutler if you like, but he wasn’t the problem last year. Last year the Bears could not run the ball to set up play action, their receivers, who are not fast, could not get open, especially down field. We saw the same thing with Fox’s Broncos against the Colts, Peyton had no targets because the Colts took away the run. Hate Cutler if you wan’t, I look at this as a practical matter. Trade Cutty if you can, otherwise bring in someone to compete with him and let him earn his way onto the field. But eating 10 plus million dollars of cap space to release Jay is just stupid.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I’m all for getting rid of him or other players, but I wouldn’t accept inferior replacements.

      The Bears have to win now. I don’t care nothing about a x years plan.

    • GPLDAN

      I think it’s telling that Trestman took the Ravens job agreeing to ditch his system and playbook and keep running the Kubiak system.

      The Bears were the most predictable team in the league last year. The plays in the first half of the Saints game may have been the most pathetic display of offense since Shoop. His system got figured out and he had nothing else.

      • CanadaBear

        It was mind boggling watching it unfold all year. The WR’s were beat up and couldn’t get separation. The OL was in constant flux and never gelled. Forte had a horrible year as a pass protector. Nessman refused to use Carey and just got Forte abused with all those check downs. Same with Bennett. And Cutler was unable to read a defense so when he did change the play it rarely worked. Other than that, it was a juggernaut.

        In hindsight, considering how bad the D and ST’s were, I’m actually kind of shocked the Bears won 5 games.

      • It is odd. Flacco and that offense (esp the run game) looked pretty comfortable in that O, and it’s the same offense that almost beat the Pats.

        So I can understand sorta from a Raven’s perspective that they want to keep continuity (we did the same on D after all).

        But Trestman is still going to have to come up with the game plan. He’s still going to have to help with the audibles, and make half-time adjustments. Not to mention, actually coach Flacco and Co.

        And it’s inevitable that Tresty will incorporate some of his WCO schemes anyways.

        So, although it may seem like a lack of confidence in Tresty, I’m not so certain it is.

        It could be more they just want to keep the same terminology, and trust Tresty enough, that they think he can indeed make any system work.

        After all, it’s not the WCO which gets figured out, but TRESTY which gets figured out, but the Ravens seem to believe that if Tresty coaches another system, it won’t get figured out.

        It is a strange experiment.

        It’s sorta like the argument of whether a clothes makes the man, or vice versa.

        • Big Mike

          Fuck Trestman

          • BearDown100393

            so said Joe Flacco after the 1st quarter in Week#1

          • Big Mike

            I hope so. But I suspect with their solid defense, culture of success and strong leadership, the worst coach in Bears history will do ok

          • BearDown100393

            Trestman might even build as a man under Harbaugh….

        • Irish Sweetness

          Any offense works if you execute properly. Bill Walsh and Montana did pretty well with it. Tresty was just a bad hire and out of his depth.

          • Another analogy that comes to mind, it’s like handing the same driver that crashed and burned the keys to another car, as if the new car will make him a better racer.

      • Big Mike

        That Saints game, my brother and I were about 70% accurate calling plays.

      • Shady

        More of a Shoop/Martz hybrid…. Shartz.

  • Trac

    There’s a whole lotta gum flappin going on around here.

    • it’s gum flappin season.

    • Big Mike

      Some days I’m convinced the off season generates more interest than the actual season.

      • CanadaBear

        I feel the same way. Also, I think most of the people that love the off season would shit can anyone and everyone so they could build their fantasy roster. It’s all BS but it seems like that’s what they like.

      • willbest

        Its hard to fight over facts. Its much easier to fight over speculation.

      • NewBearInTown

        The NFL season goes by so fast, its hard to get into heavy analysis. That’s why I hate the Thursday games – its doesn’t give me time to digest results between weekends. Monday Night Football is fine, but basically two days of “mid week” is not enough.

      • AlbertInTucson

        That’s just withdrawl symptoms.

  • “Hoyer finished 24th in QBR. Jay finished 21st. Saying the difference is “massive” is like saying the difference between Jay and Nick Foles is massive.”

    Let’s put some actual context into those numbers.

    Cutler’s QBR was 54.0; Hoyer’s was 43.1. That difference of 10.9 is the same as the difference between Cutler and Luck/Rivers, who finished 10th and 11th in QBR.

    As I said… Cutler is a competent starting QB, Hoyer is not. The dropoff there is substantial.

    • BerwynBomber

      You couldn’t answer below. You wanted a platform, huh? Yes, and I also asked would u be willing to say the same about the difference between Foles vs. Cutler? Is that difference substantial to you too? Or “massive” as you said. Well?

      And btw, you’re constantly striking a pose that you are above Cutty arguments yet you are constantly defending him on here. I said bringing in Hoyer “might” result in an open competition and you came back with your “No, never, not all” stuff.

      Sorry, I just think if the Bears were to bring in Hoyer they would to have him compete for Cutler with the job. I don’t think it will happen anyway, FWIW.

      • Big Mike

        I think the comment was that Cutler would win an open competition hands down, not that there shouldn’t be one.

        • BerwynBomber

          No, it wasn’t. He said down thread that there would never be a competition between the two. Lit his hair on fire that I even had the gall to suggest there “might” be. God forbid.

          • Cutler in a down season on a dumpster fire of roster is still appreciably better than Hoyer. There is no competition there. Sorry if that offends you.

          • BerwynBomber

            Cutler had Bennett, Forte, Marshall and Alshon. What is this “dumpster fire of a roster” you are now babbling about?

          • willbest

            You should never put Cutler in a competition with any QB. If you are thinking that there should be a QB competition you trade him now, where he has his most value to another team (ie. with enough time to learn their playbook).

          • BerwynBomber

            Depends. I don’t think the Bears will pay for Hoyer while keeping Cutty; they’ll go the much cheaper route, a’la McCown in ’13 and Clausen in ’14, if they plan to keep Cutty, which I expect they will.

            But never put him in competition? I’m not so sure. I don’t think Cutty will have the same carte blanche with Pace/Fox as he did with Trestman/Emery or Lovie/Angelo.

            My suspicion is it will largely depend on what they see from the FA or the rookie or even Fales. And of course what they see from Cutty too.

          • willbest

            My point is, if you are even going to seriously consider a $5/2 mil/yr QB or even a $500k one, then you trade Cutler for max value. Not wait until after other teams have sorted out their QB situation and busy prepping for the season with what they have.

            I get the he hasn’t earned the right like Romo or Flacco or Rivers to get the job uncontested sentiment, but his salary dictates that he has. If you wait until July to try and move him you really are looking at a 2016 5th rounder.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, I think we’re agreeing. The whole Cutler vs. Hoyer thing got started when someone asked about Hoyer as a back-up and I responded that if they brought Hoyer in with Cutty on the team it might be to compete for the job.

            But yeah, I don’t see them doing that. If Cutty remains they will go cheap on a back-up and maybe draft a kid or give Fales a little more serious of a look. They won’t shell out Hoyer-level money unless they’re jettisoning Cutty and need a bridge guy.

    • Big Mike

      Last year was also one one of Cutler’s worst seasons, as measured by QBR, wasn’t it. Cutler can perform much better.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Hoyer was throwing to jimmy, Johnny and Timmy. The cousins of the bum who’s counseling the owner. Bums is a compliment.

      That being said it doesn’t matter. They’ll never sign Hoyer.

  • Not to mention the fact that just focusing on last year ignores the bigger picture. Last year was a dumpster fire in which I can count less than 5 players who actually played well. It was a complete failure across the roster that started with historically awful coaching. It’s really not fair to judge any player based solely on that season, which is why Pace specifically mentioned watching multiple years of film on players if he can in order to evaluate them more accurately.

    Cutler is not a perfect QB. He’s inconsistent in his mechanics. He forces too many passes, which leads to too many turnovers. The crap about him not caring or being a bad teammate is absolute horse shit, though he’s definitely not the leader you’d ideally like in your quarterback.

    He was overrated for years based on his big arm and his potential. Now he’s getting older and a crappy season last year has swung to the pendulum to the point where he’s being underrated by many. He was never an MVP candidate like many claimed last offseason; he’s also not a shitty QB like many want to claim now. He’s an average starting QB who has some definite strengths and definite flaws.

    You can definitely do better than Cutler, but you can do worse. If the Bears decide to trade him and can get decent value in exchange, I’m fine with that. They’re not going to win a Super Bowl with Cutler as their QB, but I don’t think they’re winning a SB in the next 2-3 years anyway, so it doesn’t matter. Moving on from Cutler only makes sense if you have some reasonable option, which they don’t right now, though the draft could change that.

    As to Cutler being overpaid, it’s really not as much as many of you would like to think. He’s making $18M a year the rest of his contract (however long that lasts). Alex Smith and Carson Palmer are both at about $16M/year. Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, and Matthew Stafford are all about in that $18M/year range too (as are Eli Manning and Joe Flacco, who I believe are comparable to Cutler even though several of you disagree). If you have a solid starting QB-which Cutler is-he’s getting paid a lot of money, and you’re probably not winning a SB with that type of contract unless it’s an Aaron Rodgers type player. Newsflash: you’re also not coming anywhere close to winning a SB with a Brian Hoyer making $5M a year. If you’re looking to get lucky with a great defense, you’ve got a better shot with a solid guy making $18M a year than a backup starting for you for $5M a year. Welcome to the modern NFL.

    • CanadaBear

      No offense JW but why do you bother? After 800,000 posts about it nothing is going to change. Not that I disagree with you.

      • BerwynBomber

        Good question. No one is saying much different anyway. Cutler is an average QB with a huge salary.

        Though I do think JW needs to re-examine Dalton’s salary. I believe it is about $40M less in guaranteed money than Cutty’s.

      • BearDown100393

        Jake Cutler does not care what anyone thinks about his quarterback abilities.

    • NewBearInTown

      JWood. Have you done an article where you look at the cap commitment to the QB on Superbowl winning teams? I’d look at the top 4 teams the past few years as see what the breakdown is. My guess (and its just a guess) would be that the only teams that have made the top 4 in the past 10 years are either:
      – Quarterbacked by a bonified first ballot hall of famer (Favre, Rodgers, P Manning, Brady, Brees)
      – Quarterbacked by a QB on a rookie contract or otherwise a fairly small money deal
      But wasn’t Eli Manning getting top tier money when the Giants won the second time?
      I think the real point (and this is why I don’t agree that we can’t win a Superbowl in the next 2-3 years) is that all of the really great teams these days have had great success in the draft. They all seem to have multiple star players still on rookie deals. I’m think the Denver offense outside of Manning; the Niners linemen and QB; the Seahawks backfield and QB; the Patriots D and wide receivers this year, and the Giants linemen, the Packer’s defense the year they won. And the list goes on.
      That might also be worth a look.

  • I think I can summarize the sentiment of many a DBBer about Cutler. Vote me up if you agree, vote me down if you disagree.

    Cutler is avg.

    -Cutler cannot win a SB without a very elite D like Bears, Bucs or Ravens to overcome his turnovers, and even if paired with that D, Cutty’s SB mettle is still questionable.

    -Cutler is not a vocal leader like Rivers, nor a quiet leader like Flacco, nor much of leader period, which is fine when the team is D-oriented and has a legend like Lach or Lewis (Bears have neither).

    -Cutler is over-paid, (though by how much is debatable); his gauranteed money should’ve been more along the lines of Kap/Dalton.

    At the right price, Cutler SHOULD be dealt – but only if:

    – We get quality draft picks
    – Get a decent “bridge” QB in the meantime
    – Have a long term plan to attain a better franchise QB.

    I think most DBBers agree with most of these points. You got some outliers who still love Cutler (oh, Waffle Stukka), and you got some who really are just fed up and want him gone no matter what (SC Dave? a few others), but overall I think this summary reflects the majority.

    • BearDown100393

      People here care more about Jake Cutler’s (lack of) qualities and the team than either #6 or Bears management ever will. And that is the gospel truth.

      • Johnnywad

        So now you already know what Ryan Pace thinks of Jay’s lack of qualities? Give me a break man.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          didn’t you see their press conference about that?

          • Johnnywad

            Guess I missed it somehow. Did Aaron Leming break the story first?

          • BearDown100393

            Go blow your own little dick and call it a night.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            no need to get your panties in a bunch. it’s called a joke. so sensitive.

        • BearDown100393

          Not what I wrote. Re-read. Give me a break.

          • Johnnywad

            You said people here care more about Jay Cutler’s lack of qualities than Bears management ever will. Said it was gospel truth. Seems to me you think people on this blog are more interested in Jay Cutler than Ryan Pace. I really doubt that. Perhaps you mean something else?

          • BearDown100393

            I simply pointed out that the debate on this blog about Cutler and the team in general is taken to extremes. To management, it is a job not a life. That is all.

          • Johnnywad

            I can see some of your viewpoint here. But its a different kind of concern for the folks inside Halas Hall. I know when I get done posting here, I start thinking about what’s for dinner and generally forget about the Bears. Can you imagine being Pace right now? I’m sure he takes it home with him every night and wakes up with it every morning.

    • Johnnywad

      Pretty much agree. I will add I’ve never really bought into the “Quarterback is the defacto leader” school of thought.

      When the Cutler deal was announced, he was joining a team with Lach and Kreutz already firmly entrenched as legitimate leaders on either side of the ball. He was never going to just assume a leadership role with those two already running the show. Further, the first thing Lach did was publicly call him a “pussy” before the plane even touched down in Chicago. Lousy way to kick off the team chemistry. From there you commence with all of the well documented shortcomings along the O line, receivers and Martz trying to kill him. Couple that with his apparent malcontent nature and penchant for untimely turnovers, and presto, you get what we’ve got. A shit storm.

      I’d still prefer he quarterback the team next year. I’m not interested in the likely low level draft pick he’d garner in a trade. Nor am I interested in any of the garbage available through free agency. Keep him, draft one, and ride out the next two years of his deal. The defense should be well in hand by then, and hopefully, he’ll be wiser and better, or the draft pick will be ready.

      • BerwynBomber

        But you are forgetting the money. If they can unload Cutty’s contract that is $30M off the books. The “Cutty is better than any FA out there” argument is only half the story. Management could go with a bridge guy for a third of the price and have $20M to spend on other players the next two years. I am thinking that is part of the equation if they truly are taking or making calls.

        • Johnnywad

          I’m not so worried about the money moving forward. And here’s why. If I’m Ryan Pace, I’m not looking at any big ticket free agents for now. As much as I’d like to see them contend immediately, I don’t think next season is realistic. So I only need cap space to extend guys and sign draft classes. Meanwhile, I’m keeping my cap space powder dry. If he hits on two or three drafts and one of those includes a quarterback, Jay is expendable and they will have cap space to sign high end free agents to make a run at a title.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            They have $35 M of cap space TODAY.

            Save cap space for what ? In order to have $ 50 M next year ?

            If the plan is to draft a QB in the future, with his pathetic 5 year rookie contract, you can spend all the money you want. Especially since next year you can dump the likes of Allen, Bushrood with their 20 M cap hit… yet alone Marshall and Cutler.

            I mean… what the point ? Have $ 100 M of cap space by 2017 ?

          • Johnnywad

            They won’t have when they start extending guys like Jeffrey and Long. You make it sound like the Bears are swimming in cash and the Cutler contract is really no big deal.

            So yeah, save money while Pace restocks the pantry, get the team moving in the right direction, then fill in the gaps with the missing pieces.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Long is 3 years away from a new contract. Sorry I’m not considering the 2018 cap space. Are you serious ?

            New contract for Jeffery…sure. But by that time gone will be Allen and Bushrood.

            By the time you extend your young players, the older players are goners. and you’re making a profit in this big contracts switch. So the $35M not only remain constant, but is rising each year.

            Cutler’s contract is a big deal if you want to make it a big dead. What I’m saying is I’m okay with cutting Cutler for money reasons, but spend the money after that. Play a rookie Qb, but sign me a 2 big time players with that difference.

            Don’t cut Cutler, play a pennies QB and not spend the money difference. Be the Jaguars is not an option for me.

          • Johnnywad

            You really believe they’re going to let Kyle Long test free agency? I don’t.

            Jeffrey gets paid a year from now. Long gets his inside of two years from now. But let’s forget about those two for a minute.

            IF, the Bears keep Cutler, they still have to sign a veteran QB. Hoyer, Sanchez, etc. Pick one. How much do they get? McCown just got $4M plus for three years. If they cut or trade Cutler, they have to sign two QB’s unless they get one in trade, whom they’ll have to pay.

            They need to replace Willie Young, who still gets paid by the way. They need to pay or replace Stephen Paea. They need AT LEAST one professional LB. They need AT LEAST one professional Safety. And they need to sign this coming year’s draft class.

            That’s just necessities to even field a team next year on only one side of the ball. So how much of that $35M does that leave you to sign true impact players?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The clubs have 5 year options on their players. So Long has another 3 years under contract being a 2 year player. So, I don’t care about his FA period…it’s in 3 long years.

            Are you trying to sell me the idea that $35 M of cap space is a pocket of pennies ?

            Okay, lets end it here. We’re losing out standards.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Only 7 teams have more than $33 M of cap space at this moment in time… and the Bears didn’t cut/restructure anybody like most teams did.

            Yeah…Pace is fucked. Poor pup.

          • Johnnywad

            Well damn. I guess we’re all set then. He should go get two kick ass DE’s, bring Suh in and whomever the most expensive LT on the market is. While we’re at it, let’s get some Pro Bowl safeties and linebackers. What are we waiting for? Let’s light this candle. I totally misunderstood the market and what the Bears can get for $35M. Turns out that Cutler contract was no big deal after all. I can’t believe Emery didn’t bring in more qualified starters on the defense with all that cash splashing around.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Don’t bring Emery into the fold. It’s because of his work the Bears have such space and freedom of choice in the first place.

            If $35 M is so little cap space, why are you going crazy for the $ 15 M cutting Cutler might bring you ?

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Great… but at that point I want them to spend those $ 45 M of cap space they’ll have this year.

  • BerwynBomber
    • BearDown100393

      There is still time to get a deal done. This could be just leveraging.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Denver just did likewise with D. Thomas.

    • That’s playing with fire.
      Bryant has already said he would not be pleased with the franchise tag, and while no player likes it, Dez is a bit more volatile than most.
      Wouldn’t surprise me if he half-asses it.

      • BerwynBomber

        Agree about “playing with fire” but I don’t see Bryant half-assing it — seems too much the competitor. But I could see his anger/resentment manifesting itself in other ways.

  • NewBearInTown

    My feeling is that any team in the league can be competitive in the playoffs with three pieces:
    1) A solid quarterback
    2) At least two years of very good drafts (to allow cap space for multiple free agents)
    3) A cohesive, well coached game plan
    I wrote more on the subject and then deleted it. The key is this: Whatever we do must help with one of the above three.
    In the modern NFL you must have an above average QB (or a QB playing above average anyway) to be successful. Beyond that, there are lots of different ways to build a winner. Seattle has a run-first offense and built their defense from the secondary forward. Denver sold out on a monster passing game. NYG gambles on multiple pass rushers all catching fire at the same time. New England finds a new way to win almost every season. All those strategies work – but you need some luck in the draft and a cohesive, well coached, well implemented plan.
    Emery’s plan was to build a high scoring passing offense and try to maintain the Lovie Smith cover 2 approach. It failed due to (a) failure to hit on enough defensive draft choices; (b) failure to implement a well coached plan on either side, but particularly on offense. The plan was fine; the execution failed.
    I’m interested to see what Fox and Pace have planned (we’ll know a lot more after the draft and FA). But whatever the plan, success in those three priorities will dictate the success of their tenure.

    • I think #2 is most important.

      That’s how SEA did it (and the 9ers for a while). For SEA, that included drafting 1)a solid QB.

      They found Wagner, Sherman, Wilson, etc in the mid-late rounds.

      I think that’s the key. Irvin was a reach. He’s only situational pass rusher. Earl Thomas was obviously gold.

      But they also struck out on Harvin and Matt Flynn, but those mid-late round finds really saved them (and like you said, good coaching making them productive).

      This is why some consider this draft more important than previous ones. For one, we’re picking earlier, but secondly, we must start the 9erish/Sea blue-print of finding and molding gems.

      The QB question will have to sort itself out. That has a lot to do with luck.

      • Irish Sweetness

        My definition of a soid QB is a guy that doesn’t hurt you. Clausen or A.N. Other or perhaps Fales (in about two years time) could be that guy while we patch up the roster. A couple of good drafts and sensible FA acquisitions under solid coaches maybe gets us to the dance. I’m not too worried about the QB situation, I think they’ll deal Cutty and that will help us get better overall if not at QB.

  • Yikes. Sorry I got all bitchy today. Had a big fight with the wife about something stupid, so I decided to come on here and take it out on you gents by picking a big fight about something stupid. Not fair to you at all. Sorry especially to Berwyn Bomber.

    NewBear: that’s a great idea, actually. I’ve heard talk about such things before. Actually did a piece last offseason speculating all these big deals for non-elite QBs would end up causing a middle class of NFL teams that weren’t awful to the level of guys without a QB at all but weren’t true SB contenders due to sinking so much $$ into a good but not great player. Still think that might be true. Doing % cap on QB historically would be a great idea.

    • What did I tell you about turning on your emotion chip!?

    • BerwynBomber

      No problem JW. Hell, I wasn’t any saint either. All’s good. Hope the stuff works out with you and the wife.

    • Trac

      Was it the stache? hahahaha

    • CanadaBear

      We all have those days (at least the guys that are married or in a serious relationship). Don’t worry about it. My only rule (which I break all the time) is try not to post when I’m really pissed. Nothing good comes of that. Hope you and your Honey Bunny smoothed things over. If you’ve never seen this video about the differences between men and women it will make you laugh. Of course, it makes you laugh because it’s so true.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWiBRL-bxiA

  • GPLDAN

    Rousey kicked that chick’s ass. What a stupid fight.

    • BerwynBomber

      Blinked and missed it. But yeah this Rousey gal is like pre-Douglas/Holyfield/Lewis version of Mike Tyson. You think there would be one woman who could at least take her the distance.

      • GPLDAN

        Marc Trestman said that Cat Zingano had great practices.

    • Trac

      Women pounding on each other just doesn’t appeal to me for some strange reason.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        The only non artistic women sport that’s watchable is handball. Maybe alpine sky.

    • Irish Sweetness

      14 seconds. Nice Judo flip.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Man that Foxcatcher was a good movie, newfound respect for Steve Carell. What a story, didn’t know about that one.

    Another Du Pont heir, Robert Richards, was in court last year for raping his three year old daughter. The judge didn’t give him a jail sentence as he said Mr. Richards “would not fare well in jail”.
    Got to love the justice system.

    • GPLDAN

      I read that. Nothing like a bought off Judge showing just how he is the Dupont family bitch so brazenly.

  • GPLDAN

    Irish:

    Flash poll. Hilarious or offensive?

  • NewBearInTown

    Okay, NewBear’s solution to extend the NFL season by two weeks and possibly increasing the health of players.

    1) Every team plays 17 regular season games. 8 home, 8 away, 1 on a neutral field.

    2) The neutral field games would be things like London, Mexico city, Toronto, etc. Also could be used to reward teams that build new stadiums, test cities that are potential football markets, and possible serve as a reward for the probowl/third place teams, etc.

    3) Every team gets two buy weeks instead of one. They are guaranteed at least six days between games (so no more Sunday to Thursday turnaround). Every team plays one Thursday game.

    4) Every Sunday for sixteen weeks out of the season (excluding the first and last week) there is a game played at a neutral site.

    I don’t like Thursdays and I’m not a huge fan of neutral field games like London, but I don’t think either of those things loses viewers so they’re not going anywhere. This deal gives players more throughout the season, increases total revenue for the league and lets the league continue its efforts to expand in emerging markets.
    To me, the real question is whether the NFL can find 17 neutral sites that make sense. Here’s a sample slate of 17th games I came up with:
    8 London games
    2 Toronto games
    2 Mexico City games
    2 Los Angeles games
    2 Games played at recently constructed stadiums

    • BerwynBomber

      Good plan, NBIT. Impressive. You should send it to the league office. Seems like something both the owners and NLFPA could agree on. Just a small add/clarification but those London games should always precede a team’s bye week. Don’t know if that is the case now or not.

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