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Don’t Tell Me the Rationale, Peanut Should Have Remained a Bear

| April 10th, 2015

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There is room for sentimentality in sports.

Despite football fans now being overly obsessed with salary cap structures, guessing which college kids will be solid professionals and PFF’s oft-unfounded system of grading, there is still room for an old fashioned fan to hold old fashioned beliefs. This old fashioned fan sure does.

Charles Tillman should have never worn another jersey in the NFL.

I don’t care what Peanut’s one-year deal with the Panthers costs. I don’t care that the Bears are a team in transition and Tillman would have little chance to be part of the finished product down the road. I don’t care that Tillman has been seriously injured the last two seasons and is approaching the last exit on his NFL highway.

I don’t care about any of these things because Charles Tillman is not only one of the greatest Bears of all-time but one of the greatest men to ever wear navy blue and orange. At a time when having this platform has made it somewhat easy for me to forget I am still a fan of the Bears, Tillman made it easy to remember. Most fans hero worshipped the middle linebacker. Not me. I idolized the cornerback who changed the way the sport is played.

Ryan Pace and John Fox are new to the Chicago Bears and are bringing a new and much needed approach. But if that approach does not involve Charles “Peanut” Tillman, allow me to be skeptical.

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  • Trac

    First let me say this…….Peanut had failed to make an impact for the the Bears the last 2 years because of an injury that prevented him from contributing throughout the course of 2 seasons. This is a what have you done for me lately league and Peanut was done in Chicago for several reasons. Sentimentality is fine and dandy as long as it’s not misplaced. Bears fans will always remember Peanut for the player he once was and for me, that is enough. It’s time to cut the chord of sentimentality when it comes to players whose careers have run their course and are essentially over. It’s time to cut the chord to Lovie’s old guard, it’s time to embrace to future.

    • Big Mike

      Agreed, but Jeff can be sad. Peanut was his guy. My guy was Olin Kreutz.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Sad is one thing. Irrationally Indignant another. This thread is the latter.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      You’re pretty sure of yourself that Tillman is essentially over.

      If healthy he can be a weapon. His injuries actually help his cause because they’re not legs and he’s not been adding miles.

      • Trac

        I’m ok with the decision. Time to move on is justified.

    • Scott W.

      “…it’s time to cut the chord of sentimentality”??

      Man, why be a fan at all? This is fantasy football’s hallmark. It cuts against the connection fans make with teams, and turns everyone into a uniform.

      Well aware of the history. Montana to KC, etc. It’s been happening for decades.

      That doesn’t make it any more appetizing.

      • Trac

        This fan is tired of signing over the hill past their prime, recovering from season ending injury, ex stars.

  • Ah, to be young. .. u were probably too young to remember the first time you saw Montana in a Chiefs uni. Or… take it from here Albert…(who’s that ex Lions qb who cursed them?)

    • Trac

      Peanut has lived a charmed life. He’ll be fine.

    • BerwynBomber

      Said it before but once Jordan donned a Wiz uni the whole I-can’t-see-such-and-such-player-in-another-jersey lament died for me in all professional sports.

      Peanut was a heckuva Bear but I kinda look forward to his swan song with Chico and Carolina. Will be interesting to see if he can stay healthy and contribute.

      • BearDown100393

        The myth died when #99 was traded to LA.

        • Big Mike

          McMahon on the sidelines in a Packer uniform. WTF?

          • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

            that one still haunts me from time to time……..TURRIBLE.

          • Big Mike

            He played in 66 games as a Bear and 53 with other teams (SD, PH, MN, AZ and GB) He started 11 in SD, 12 in PH, 12 in MN and 1 in AZ. He only appeared in 6 games in GB. After the SB season his career passer rating was 75.5. He threw 56 TD and 57 Interceptions.

            http://www.packershistory.net/files/PACKERS/1995PACKERS-SaintsWhiteMCMahon.jpg

            http://i.nfl.packers.com/images/action/mcmahon_jim_SBXXXI_a2.jpg

          • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

            just going to the team that broke him, all about dem ducketts

          • Irish Sweetness

            Said his shoulder had never felt better than when he was with the Fudge.

          • BillW

            I remember Steve McMichael as a Packer too. When asked how that felt, he said “I’m a football player. I’m not qualified to be chairman of GM”

          • Irish Sweetness

            Mongo and Mac. At least Mac got another ring.

      • Big Mike

        I have the utmost respect for an athlete’s desire to continue to play. Even as their skills diminish. They have a right to know when they are done. For some they lose the desire. Others are no longer physically capable. At the same time, I have the right to not watch Michael Jordan, the GOAT, in blue pajamas, being an decent player for a crappy team. I turned off NBA games the entire time Jordan was with the Wizards.

        Charles Tillman as much as he was loved, was not iconic like Jordan by any stretch of imagination. If he’s healthy, he’s a slightly above average corner, who has a game changing skill, but can also be beaten like a drum underneath and probably won’t stay healthy. His quiet leadership skills, hard work ethic make this an easy choice for Chico. Good luck to Peanut. I’m hopeful he finishes strong. If healthy, he no doubt will play on a much better defense than he did the last two years.

    • MorganW

      I’m only 42 and a Bears fan and know that the Lions QB that cursed them was Lane.

  • Guest

    I don’t have any affinity for Montana so why would I care?

    • BerwynBomber

      Perspective, I assume …

  • Ronald Raes

    Amen.
    I’m 36 years old. Been a fan of da Bears since it became easy to follow the NFL from Belgium. He’s been one of my favourite players since the beginning. Last night I sent him a tweet to wish him well, like probably hundreds of others. he acknowledged me by favoriting it like 15 minutes later. Made my fucking day.
    I’m gonna miss him on sundays.

    • Scott W.

      Welcome Ronald.

  • Big Mike

    Sorry your man was let go. It’s no surprise. If it could happen to Montana, Unitas, Emmitt, Dorsett, Franco, OJ, Earl Campbell or Jerry Rice, Tillman certainly wasn’t exempt.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Remember Joe Namath as a Ram? Hideous! As I recall it was The Bears who put an end to THAT on a Monday night.

      • BillW

        I’m not just getting old, I AM old. I was at that game – loved it! I can say I saw Joe Namath’s last game.

  • BearDown100393

    No! Not Peanut.
    Not my Peanut.
    Ryan, not my Peanut!
    Not Peanut … not Peanut, Ryan.
    Oh, God.

    Peanut!

  • Bobby Douglass

    I think we should work to make Peanut’s name a verb. “Did you see that RB get Tillmanned?”

  • BillW

    Wow – I actually forgot that Jordan was a Wizard. And that Unitas played for SD. And many others that were mentioned. Forgot – literally. In that in totality it essentially (almost) didn’t really happen.

    If somehow Peanut would have remained a Bear, he would have been an exception. Was he better at what he did than Jordan, Unitas, Jerry Rice? Not quite.

    This isn’t about what the Bears are doing – it’s about what Peanut is doing. And we really don’t know what he is thinking. But it’s quite possible he just wants to be sure absolutely sure that it’s really over.

    Chico maybe is simply doing him a favor or sorts. Certainly Peanut will be a strong influence on his team during camp. I would not be surprised that is as far as it goes. That Charles never even plays during the season.

    It’s his right to decide to make one more effort. And I get Jeff’s sadness. But for me personally, I don’t want to see him try and fail here. Hanging around as some sort of “honorary player”.

    He;s simply going the Unitas, Jordan, Rice route. The last stop on a career that for practical purposes is already over.

    I don’t know what Bear home game he will honored at (as he most certainly will) but I will be there.

  • Ken

    He will be injured again by week 4, ain’t nobody got time for that.
    Plus, he is one of the last Lovie Smith lemmings, and the Tampa Bay Bears did not even take him away. Makes you wonder. I wish him the best, but the NFL is a business. If you forget that, then you will be disappointed.

    • BillW

      Never though of him as a Lovie guy. Not saying he wasn’t, but he seemed like a team player all the way no matter who was in charge. That’s why the respect for him is so great.

      Another angle is Briggs at the same time. If the Bears hung on to Charles for loyalty purposes, then do they do the same for Briggs? And if they didn’t, you know damn well Briggs would be bitching about the lack of respect etc.

      Last thought – I expect we’ll hear some more Bear bashing from Urlacher today.

      • BearDown100393

        IMO Urlacher is more about himself and not his former teammates. I’m guessing he keeps quiet during his attempt to forge a bridge with Pace/Fox.

      • Ken

        I did not like the fact that him and Briggs kept in such close contract, because it was quite evident Briggs checked himself out at the beginning of the season. Plus, we have no idea what they were saying in the locker room to other players or what their attitude was among the team.
        The Bears have been consistent on how they treat veteran players, nostalgia can only take you so far. Remember, the Bears did offer Urlacher a position, very reduced pay, but they did want him back. Brian chose to retire and Briggs never stepped up as much as the Bears fans hoped he would.

      • I’d be surprised if Urlacher says anything. New regime has talked openly about mending fences with him. Bears handled the Peanut and Briggs situations better than Emery handled Urlacher.

      • Scott W.

        What if it was the player’s option? Like the franchise tag in reverse. If you’ve played your career with the same team, have been in the league for 6 years, what would be wrong/condescending with giving that player the option of staying home, with roster additions, cap space allowances, and contract clauses that give bonuses for playing time, while permitting that player to activate a pre-retirement contract with that team?
        There’s your answer to your Briggs question. When I suggested this, it wasn’t meant for one player only Bill.

        • BillW

          It’s been done I think in a way in the NBA. I don’t follow them as closely anymore but I think they had some type of soft cap where you could sign your own free agents with some exceptions to the cap.

          The concept of course was to avoid losing stars because maybe you had too many of them and the cap wouldn’t let you resign them all.

          It’s a valid point for the NFL, but won’t happen because the league needs to make sure every team’s fan base believes that they all have a chance at the Super Bowl within five year. Player (and coach and GM) churn is necessary for that.

          Look – I have a very severe soft spot of Tillman too. I wish it didn’t end this way. We are in FULL agreement on that – the most important point.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      News fucking flash: The Carolina Panthers, 2 time consecutive playoff team with dominant kick ass Defense, took him.

      But hey…maybe they don’t know what a fuck they’re doing down there.

      • I think Carolina is a better fit for him right now than Chicago. They’re a team in win-now mode. The Bears are a team in transition.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          A team in transition that signed more Over 30 years old than any other team in the NFL.

          That being said I agree. Carolina is a superb fit for him and I’m happy for him… he can end his career playing to win instead of fucking around the Bears.

        • Scott W.

          I can’t argue the philosophy of best fit, but I can bemoan the lack of options for a player of Peanuts value to the Bears and, yes, like it or not, to Bears fans as well.

      • Ken

        History Lesson:

        7-8-1 record in 2014.

        Allowed 374 points (23.4/g), 21st.

        Your team sucks, just not as much as the Bears.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I love to burst your bubble and if you want to take shots and call into question my Bears fandom and calling me another team’s fan…

          …..I’m a SuperBowl Champion….. loser.

          • Ken

            You are the dumbest Bears fan I have ever encountered.
            Congrats Champ!

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I can’t be the dumbest Bears fan as I follow the New England Patriots. That gives me a clear cut edge over useless wankers like you are.

          • BillW

            Barb – give it up. You just lost. Picking a team that wins doesn’t make you “better”. You actually think being a fan helped them win?? That YOU are a Super Bowl champ (as you said)??

            Wow.

          • Ken

            First a Bears fan, now a Patriots fan, wants to be a Panthers fan, fan of all teams.
            We have a winner!

          • BillW

            Seriously – it’s not hard to cheer for the team that wins the most. It makes sense to admire them (as I do the Packers, as much as it pains me to say it). But I don’t become a fan of every team that wins just because I admire them.

            I guess if you have no allegiance and you like the game, then it makes sense to follow a team that is most successful, If that’s the case, then OK.

            But then why are you on this board so much?

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            This site would be 32% better if Barb stopped posting…

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            So you saying I’m a big time ‘player’ on the site ?

            Thanks mate.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Remember…Fox talked to Urlacher and Ditka, so we all aight…

    I agree with Jeff’s speech with a nugget. That player must perform at a certain level. He can’t be a disaster because that will hurt the team AND himself.

    Tillman can perform at elevated levels for sure. I would have signed him no doubt. Not as a starting Cb, but as a specialist. Insert him in important moments and sets.

    Main usage for him ? Shutdown TE weapon. Which is going to be -as always- a huge weakness of the Bears.

  • I agree with this article entirely. Tillman will be missed, sad a place couldn’t be made for him.

  • My heart is with Jeff. My head says otherwise.

    Sometimes you have to go with your head.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      They signed Antrel Rolle. He’s just as ‘done’ as Tillman is.

      • He’s 2 years younger and healthier. Those are 2 very important factors.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          “Rolle is coming off one of his worst seasons as a pro, highlighted by his 17 missed tackles which were more than either Chris Conte or Major Wright in 2013”.

          The 2013 Conte-Wright S pair could be one of the worst in NFL history.

          He also can’t cover much right now, which was always his true calling card.

          • Scott W.

            I’ll admit, this is a signing that had me scratching my head.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That puts you ahead of many as many have applauded the signing.

          • I didn’t particularly like that move. But I’m guessing Rolle plays more snaps this year than Tillman by a significant amount.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I would have re-signed Tillman and played him only on 3rd down/passing down/hurry up cases.

            The Patriots and Cardinals played 5, 6 DBs a lot last year. The Jets will this year.

            In that context a player like Tillman is a weapon because he can play zone and man, against WR-TE-RB-spy.

          • Scott W.

            I don’t think that’s an adequate or accurate unit of measure, Jonathan.

            I hear your point, I just don’t think it “measures up”.

          • Pace wants a veteran leader in the secondary who will be on the field. The only candidate on the roster for the Bears when he arrived was Tillman, but he doesn’t think Tillman will stay on the field. So then he looked in FA and found Rolle.
            That’s my $0.02 on how it went down. Not necessarily the best measure of value, but you have to be available to play, and Tillman has only been there for 10/32 games the last 2 years. Those trends rarely reverse themselves as you get older.

          • Scott W.

            No man, sorry
            Guess I wasn’t clear.
            I meant that playing time by team can’t accurately measure player value.
            Petty point, I know, but still…

          • oh, I understand that completely. It’s a fair point. But both Rolle and Tillman would have more value for their leadership than actual on-field play in Chicago.

    • Scott W.

      Yes, sometimes you do. And players deserve the option of moving.
      But it doesn’t make it right on a fan – loyalty level at all.
      This could be fixed, and should be. Options should exist, and don’t.

  • Scott W.

    Here here!

    You got this right from title to close, Mr. Hughes.

    The big, fat, glaring error in the agreement between the NFLPA and the NFL is that there is no mechanism in place to allow for men like Peanut to finish their careers at “home”. This could easily, easily be done, and would bridge that ugly gap between FA and team identity/loyalty.

    For tenured players like Peanut, allow for an extra roster spot(s), cap money, and short-term, pre-retirement contracts.

    Peanut is the face of the Bears, moreso than any other on the present roster. It’s stupid as hell that he had to leave to make way.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      “extra roster spot(s), cap money, and short-term, pre-retirement contracts.”

      That’s insulting for a player like Tillman.

      You guys talk about him like he’s now a bum. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what he does in Carolina.

      If he does well remember your opinions in april.

      • Scott W.

        No one called him a bum. No one. Insulting? No, it isn’t and would not be.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Poor thing…let me give you an extra spot, some money and wait for you to retire.

          If you think he’s done and doesn’t deserve a roster spot, if not an extra, pre-retirement one…. you’re basically calling him a bum.

          • Ken

            Deserve? The NFL is a competitive league based on performance. There is no entitlement. You must work for the government or some other state department where you can’t get fired or something because your ideas are off the chart.
            Why do you think players make millions of dollars, because they sit on their ass? No, it’s because they perform.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The world is a big place and I know more about sports than you do.

            Also the english language:

            Deserve-
            to merit, be qualified for, or have a claim to (reward, assistance, punishment, etc.) because of actions, qualities, or situations.

            To deserve doesn’t always mean to be entitled. I’m actually supporting the opposite opinion on the matter right now.

            Scott W. does. Not me. Wrong person. Try again.

          • Ken

            Tell us more, oh sports guru.
            You give sports fans a bad name.
            Actions, qualities, situations are not always in your control.
            Action- his tricep is wasted. Just “fix’ it? yeah, right.
            Quality- he WAS an all star. He is now slow and injured.
            Situation- the Bears are rebuilding and need players they can rely on playing each game.
            So Tillman now “deserves” to be on the team?
            Nobody deserves anything, you work for it.
            Socialism is found in other countries, why don’t you visit them so that they can deserve you.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The fact you’re such a moron isn’t a problem. The problem is you thinking you’re smart or something.

            Learn the meanings of the english language first for fuck’s sake. Make a fool of yourself later.

          • Scott W.

            That I’m recommending some sort of welfare or charity system for players is so bizarre an accusation, I can’t decide whether to laugh at the weirdness of it or wonder if you’re drinking this morning.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Tillman is a big time player and competitor.

            He would be insulted if you’d put him on a charity, welfare system.

            Just like in the real world there are people who’d rather do anything than accepting welfare or charity.

            I had this idea that in capitalist places like the US the welfare and charity systems are seen as some sort of an insult/sign of weakness at a social level. I though it’s almost a label, rather than a pretty normal, basic right.

          • Scott W.

            Yes. It would be insulting to give him a charity position.
            Which is why I wonder why you are bringing it up at all, really.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            What do you mean ? Wasn’t that your initial point ? You brought it up.

          • Scott W.

            No. It wasn’t my point. At all. Just read the posts, Barb, they’re there.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I understand your post comes from a good place.

            My point is that option would be insulting as the big time player like Tillman would take it as an insult.

            He’s a full time player, not a bum player who’s on the team just because of charity.

            If you (you in the sense of you team) think Tillman still has it you re-sign him. No extra slots needed. You just give him minimum salary with snaps count incentives.

            Tillman clearly thinks he still has it…seeing he signed with the Panthers after a million years in Chiago… career, family and home.

            So you have that discrepancy… a team that would keep him only using the extra slot tag and a player that thinks he’s still good to play period. The player would feel insulted he’s behind a rookie UFA on the depth chart. Because usually that’s the guy that has the 53 roster spot, which you can’t give him, because you need a special compensation, extra roster slot in order to just keep him around.

          • Scott W.

            No, it would be the player that exercised the Tenure clause, not the team. The team would only be responsible for honoring the terms. That puts all the power in the players hands.
            I think this is the third post I’ve pointed that out, Barb. Maybe the 4th.
            It neutralizes the need for the player to leave, if he so chooses.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Man…I mean…the 3rd or 4th post. I must have missed it. I was responding to the first post mainly.

            To respond to that ‘player option’… Tillman would never access that ‘right’. He’s a player. If he’s not wanted, he’ll go away. I mean… it becomes a distraction
            from a legendary player, as the ‘tag’ is only available from historic players.

            In the NBA Steve Nash did something like that last year. Something ‘It’s my right, I can’t say no to money for my family’. But I can’t see a player going with that tag against a team’s wishes or without a sign of appreciation in the nfl.

            Like, first they’ll sign him to a contract and then the player makes a favor to the club and goes with the tag.

            Soon you’ll have nasty situations where the veteran player collects because he can only to be put on IR for the season.

            PS: I agree with any rule that allows the teams to keep legendary players and I agree with any rule that allows the player to collect from the teams (and their white wealthy owners). I’m for against it in general, I just don’t see it here.

            In this case and situation though, Tillman’s case, I believe the team’s option would insult Tillman and Tillman wouldn’t access his another year option.

          • Scott W.

            No doubt there are any number of abuse possibilities, but people smarter than me could draft a clause like that that theoretically would limit those as much as possible.
            And hell, for all I know, Tillman would NOT exercise it, as you purport. But just having some option there seems like a good team, league, fan and player friendly idea.
            The PR value would be huge, though fans could easily turn on a player that chose not to exercise it.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Again…me personally I’m in favor of player rights of any kind, especially the Tillman-Palamalu type.

            In Tillman’s case I believe only a clear cut sign would have get it done even if that clause would have existed.

            That’s because he probably thinks, as do I, that he’s still a productive real player.

          • Scott W.

            Players like Peanut are rarities, relatively speaking.
            I liked Urlacher, and I liked Briggs at one time.
            Speaking as a fan (how else?), he is just irreplaceable on a certain level.

          • Scott W.

            I do hear your argument, but all of that is easy to work around.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            read what that Ken moron says below.

            you’ll understand my point about labeling and all that.

          • Scott W.

            Your assumptions and sweeping generalizations here aren’t just miles off the mark, they are 100% wrong.

      • AlbertInTucson

        You are the first person to use the word “bum”.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          you’re calling him a ‘special player’ in the sense of ‘special needs individual’.

          He’s a special needs player for you. And you’d want rules and regulations to help them and his caretakers get by.

      • Ken

        The fact that Tillman tore his right tricep 2 seasons in a row is not a question mark for you? Tillman was one of the Bears best corners, however he is slow and injury prone.

        • BillW

          Sometimes it’s tough to read Barb’s posts and get his actual point. I believe Barb is saying that Tillman still has something left in the tank and could succeed in Carolina. That he deserves more than honorary treatment – he deserves to treated as a solid contributor (though not a starting SB anymore).

          It’s a contrary opinion to what most if not all the rest of us are saying. We have Peanut written off as “career over”. Barb is saying “not so fast”.

          • Ken

            Just fix that muscle. Who are you, a miracle worker?
            Do you have any idea how physical anatomy works?
            You do realize that defenders and WR’s push off on each other right, and that the arms are just as important as the legs.
            Sure, let’s just fix Chris Conte’s head from all those concussions, then he could play safety for the Bears again.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Those poor Carolina Panthers seem to think that maybe, just maybe they can fix that muscle.

            If they do the gain would be an important one.

            PS: What are you ? A psychic ? Here you are predicting the status of Tillman’s muscles.

          • Ken

            Yes, because the doctors in Charlotte are so much better than the ones in Chicago. You lack logic.
            It is obvious the injury is not and may not heal well enough for him to play CB at a NFL level. It is a risk the Panthers took and a decision Tillman made- to try it again.
            I would rather keep a roster spot for some other player of the future, not a previous all star of the past.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The doctors in Charlotte are much better than you are.

            That’s your kill shot right there.

          • Ken

            I certainly hope so, because I never claimed to be a doctor.
            How old are you, 10? You are mentally not sound if you are older than 10 years old.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You’re so weak the wind could take you the fuck away.

            First you give me this clueless argument

            “Just fix that muscle. Who are you, a miracle worker?
            Do you have any idea how physical anatomy works?”

            I respond
            “Those poor Carolina Panthers seem to think that maybe, just maybe they can fix that muscle.”

            You
            “Yes, because the doctors in Charlotte are so much better than the ones in Chicago. You lack logic.”

            Me…the kill shot
            “The doctors in Charlotte are much better than you are.”

            You…already dead, but not knowing it
            “I never claimed to be a doctor”

            This is the classic beating to a pulp ones gives himself and really wanting it. You easy money.

          • Scott W.

            “Honorary treatment?”
            “An insult”?

            Tell me how that would be true, Bill. How would making accommodations via the NFLPA agreement and contract/cap structure be some kind of faux, condescending gesture?

            I’m not suggesting he be decorated in Bears gear and sit in some special chair on the sideline.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That’s exactly what you did.

          • Scott W.

            I’m at a loss. You’re wrong because you are. It’s not complicated.

          • BillW

            Whoah – Scott. Don’t take your Barb frustration out on me. We’re Geritol buddies, remember?

            I can only speak for myself. First, I didn’t use the word “insult”. And by “honorary treatment” – I put it in quotes because I meant it could SEEM to be taken that way. It could seem that the team or league is making an “old fart” exemption for players who can’t make it on their own.

            The way things are structured now is probably best. Either you make the 53 based on talent, or not. Either the team thinks you’re worth a spot in the limited amount of money available, or not. No special exemptions.

            By the way, to be clear – Barb gets on my nerves big time but he does bring a different perspective. I disagree with it most of the time but I do want to hear it.

          • Scott W.

            Okay, fair enough.
            I’ll summarize it here, with the disclaimer that I am not a contract lawyer….
            The NFLPA and the NFL could add a “Tenured Player” clause to the agreement, which would resemble (but not mirror) the Franchise Tag that teams can use under certain conditions.
            The player, one who began his career with the team and has remained and been a starter for the majority of six years would have the option of activating the Tenured Player “tag”. Roster spot(s) would be added to the 53, bonus money for playing time would be added, the cap would be adjusted to accommodate the player(s), and the vet minimum would be increased. This would also activate a pre-retirement clause that allowed for the player to remain under the terms of the agreement for one full season prior to retiring with that team. As an additional bonus, that player would not be required to participate in selected parts of training camp. Their health insurance for them and their families would be guaranteed for life following retirement, without restrictions.
            Though this removes some power from the teams themselves, it addresses the issue of players not having to leave if they CHOOSE not to, and remain with their team. Criminal activity could nullify the contract, etc. Playing time vs. time injured could also be a factor that limited the money teams would be required to pay, but not nullify the contract altogether.

          • BillW

            Interesting suggestion. And maybe we’ll see this in our lifetimes. The league is all about keeping the proletariat (fans) from uprising (stop spending so much money). And while free agency has helped maintain the promise of competitive balance, there is something to be said for assuring beloved players can stay with their team.

            “It’s a business” is always said. From a fans point of view, this could be one way of softening that.

            A lot to work out – like maybe one spot is not enough. Or is it year to year etc. And what if a player abuses it and hangs on too long. Or can a team still force them to take a mandatory pre-retirement deal. And what if the player changes his mind?

            These things could be worked out. I just don’t think there is enough sentiment around the league to make that happen.

          • Scott W.

            Shoot Bill, I don’t think there is ANY sentiment in the league to make it happen, nor do I believe it will. I just want them to.

            I’d allow it for every player that met the criteria if I were given final authority. The money is sure as heck there, and as you said, it would go a long way towards softening the harsh business image of the NFL by the fans who cared about such things. From the comments on this thread, there are several who could care less.

            It would sort of matchup to the Franchise tag, in that it’s a one-year deal, with the retirement clause looming at the end, unless both sides agreed to another. I think that would be the most fair way to address it.

          • BillW

            Back when we were watching Lawrence Welk on Saturday Nights with our parents (I’m making an assumption here, in that I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Geritol commercial anywhere else), football was just beginning to make itself the national pastime. How it has changed!

          • Scott W.

            Memories…and that’s the only place I saw it too. Ah, the days…

          • BillW

            OK – I had to do it:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geritol

            “My wife… I think I’ll keep her”. How could I have forgot that one?

          • Scott W.

            “…until my secretary notices me anyway…”

          • AlbertInTucson

            We were at Grandma’s often on Saturday nights. She had ONE TV and, like it or not and no matter what else may have been on, that was tuned to Lawrence Welk. “Uh one and Uh-two..”

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That’s a good idea in the sense of a strategic option.

            Belichick would put Brady on it… and shit like that.

          • Scott W.

            If I understand you correctly, yes. That would be a clear example of a Tenured Player remaining with the team he began with. Gets a little mucky for Peyton Manning though, doesn’t it?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            you just put the Punter there and gain the extra slot.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            BillW… did you wanted to be a firefighter or what ?

            Are we bros or are we frenemies. Hahah.

          • BillW

            Of course. And a Cowboy. And a policeman. And a bus driver.

            I don’t know what we are. I try to hear everyone’s point of view, that’s all.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            My pow is clear. I would have re-signed him because he could be an on field weapon and an off field example.

            You have to re-sign such an element.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Yes it is. But it’s not a deal breaker for me. Better triceps than knees. Just fix that muscle.

          If he’s slow play him against slow people. Like big, strong, not fast WR and any TE you want to shut down.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Though it makes me sad to think of Tillman in a Panthers Jersey, it’s not that terrible in today’s NFL. Yes, my heart says Tillman should still be a Bear but the NFL is a business and he just was not going to fit in the new scheme. So let him play his last year with Carolina, so what, I’m happy for him that he can still play the game he loves. In our hearts Tillman will forever be a Bear, no matter where and for who he plays his last game. Good luck Peanut, we’ll miss you but we’ll never ever forget you.

    Bear Down.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Oh and one last thought. His number will eventually be retired by the Bears in the future. You can take that to the bank.

      • willbest

        I doubt that. Bears don’t have a whole lot of numbers left to retire. Plus while he is the best Bears CB, he isn’t HoF material.

      • SC Dave

        No, it wont, unless they unretire a number first. If the dont retire hampton, for example, it makes no sense to retire tillman

      • BearDown100393

        Fairly certain George and others in management want to start a ring of honor regarding retirements. The team is running out of numbers. It seems reasonable that the Bears in due time will properly honor Tillman.

  • BillW

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/10/troy-polamalu-i-did-not-seriously-consider-playing-elsewhere/

    Polamalu retires; Steelers would have cut him.

    I do wish Charles would have gone this route. But he has a right to choose his own path.

    The more I contemplate this, the more I realize Jeff’s sentiment is misplaced. The Bears did nothing wrong, and neither did Peanut.

    But Polamalu did it better.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The Steelers try and bully their legend players and coaches into retiring.

      He’ll very likely be back in the middle of the season, just like they did with Kiesel.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Polamalu has been a liability for the last two seasons. He won’t be back.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I don’t think so just like you do. I said that because it’s their modus operandi….trying to force legends into retirement, just to make themselves look silly and stupid recalling them into the fold. Like they did with Harrison and Kiesel.

          Tried the same bully bullshit with Arians, also.

          With some it works, with some it doesn’t. BillW has it wrong in his post. There’s more to it.

          • DaCoaches Mustache

            Can we take a vote to ban Barb from posting? Seriously Barb, you suck and ruin my dbb experience. You are terrible. Please go away

          • GPLDAN

            On the other hand Coach, Better Call Saul taught Barb how to run the Kennedy Half-Dollar scam.

            You gotta figure he’s running all over Romania cleaning up on that grift….

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            What’s a Kennedy Half-Dollar scam ?

            PS: Shit like that ‘don’t work’ in places like Romania. You need stupid guys with money in order to make those cons work. Where do you live !?

          • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

            your gov’t is run on it.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            ok… lets be more specific…thank you.

          • come on, that’s not necessary. I don’t always agree with Barb, but he is a very informed fan and I respect that.

          • BerwynBomber

            Barb is notorious for personal attacks. He is informed, and I would not ask him to leave but such a request is not below the belt given his conduct.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Talk about personal attacks. You tried that shit yesterday…insulting me out of the blue… I responded the same or worse…and you cried wolf.

          • BerwynBomber

            Huh? You called me a name I now forgot and claimed I assumed you were something, which I have also forgotten. Then I merely restated my position and said that I did not give an F what you were.

            There was no crying wolf.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Hah. Typical selfish recollection of the events. In general.

            The article inside which we were talking was

            -> Bears need to learn from mistakes made with Cutler

            You said
            -> Oh, man. Not this narrative again. Really, six years and three HCs later and we’re back to the Bears didn’t invest enough in Cutty’s supporting cast? Wow

            I responded
            -> we have found ourselves a true JJ Web-Kellen Davis fan.

            You responded
            -> Yeah, because the “Cutler doesn’t have enough” excuses are beyond tired and legit, I’m a JWebb/KDavis fan. Air-tight logic there, Barbie.

            I responded
            -> Yeah…and just because I say JJ Wabb, Kellen Davis & Co were absolute bums…I’m a Cutler apologist.
            Fuck you crack whore.

            You responded
            I didn’t accuse you of anything. I was only answering your stupid accusation. Frankly, I could give a shit what you are.

            Now, I understand that calling one a Jj WEb-Kellen Davis fan is for all matters and purposes an insult for a Bears fan, but the true insult is calling someone ‘barbie’. At that point all is fair game. Coming right back at you.

            Then you go all touchy and innocent.

            Stop changing gears, going from ball talk to personal attacks to the superior guy in the room to giving advices about ‘internet hero/tough guy’ assumptions.

            You want to talk ball, lets talk ball. You want to insult, lets insult each other.
            Stop being childish in thinking others don’t see what you’re actually doing.

          • BerwynBomber

            That is a lot of work to prove you are wrong.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            If clicking and writing is work… somebody should pay me a lot.

          • BillW

            I said as much in a response to Scott. Barb gets on my nerves big time but he brings a different perspective. I do value that.

            Still – he is very disrespectful to others and I seriously abhor that. He once spoke vulgarly of my wife and that just about had me demanding Jeff ban him. A person like me can turn the other cheek but it’s not easy.

            And now he’ll probably tell me to take my support and go f-off.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That might be a limited version of the events. I can deny it. I surely didn’t insult your wife without being insulted before.

            When one insults me first…it’s game on.

          • BillW

            I don’t remember the exact situation and certainly not worth looking it up. I just took a breath and remembered we don’t know each other except through this forum and it would be stupid of me to take personal offense to a comment made in such an impersonal medium. In other words – no big deal.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Of course. We’re brohoes.

            I insulted a lot of bitches today. They all started it first. Just because I owned them with my insults or rationale doesn’t make me the bad guy, it just makes me better.

            They hate the player, instead of the game. That’s losers territory in my mind.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            that would be boring… agreeing with each other.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            You can’t have it. I have the right to carry a firearm. It’s internet constitution.

            You cunt have 15+ comments. I see you really are into the dbb experience.

          • BillW

            Unfortunate typo? I assume you meant “count”?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            To the guy who wants to organize a ban vote of yours truly…fuck that cunt.

          • SC Dave

            You merely prove the point the coach made. And you really should avoid denigrating people you know nothing about. Coach has been here far longer tan you

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            If coaches point is that he’s useless… I did.

            Wake up, man. I’m not denigrating any people. This is the internet and we are users. And I can say whatever I want about them.

  • 505Bears

    I think the team will miss what he did off the field mostly. He was great on, but even when he was injured he coached up the younger guys and invoked the Peanut Punch…He was never a locker room issue and also did a ton of great things in the community. I hope he is back one day as a DBs coach…

    • willbest

      He portrays himself as genuinely committed to his craft. Unlike Briggs.

  • GPLDAN
    • BerwynBomber

      The question is whether TENN has any interest and who else is lighting up their switchboard.

      • BillW

        So far we have Chicago, Philly, and Cleveland considering trading up.

        I wonder if Lovie will mess with everyone and take Mariota himself. Then what?

        • BerwynBomber

          Funny I was thinking the other night if anyone at TB is wondering if Winston were perceived to be available at #2 would as many teams be interested. I don’t know the answer (could be even more interest for all we know) but one wonders if that sort of question is raised among Lovie and company in their pre-draft discussions.

        • Johnnywad

          That’s a whole realm of thought beyond Lovie’s “thought ceiling.” His most impressive form of trickery is being obtuse regarding the weekly injury report. Lovie is not capable of messing with everyone. He’s just too simple.

    • Scott W.

      “Come on Whisenhut, you pancake eating mother fucker, save football in Tennessee”.

    • BillW

      Sounds like they are just repeating a rumor.

      “A deal that could change the history of the league.” ????!!!!

      Writers can really get full of themselves, can’t they?

      • Scott W.

        Wellllll…TECHNICALLY, it would change the history of the league….in the future. Because, you know, Cutler’s history would include a stint at Tennessee….so there’s that interpretation.

        • BillW

          He also called Cutler one of the biggest names in the league. I wonder if Kyle Long wrote this? Or Kristin?

          • Scott W.

            From a talked about standpoint, he’s right on the mark. Does any player in the NFL get more ink?

          • BillW

            Too true.

          • willbest

            I think you are speaking from a Chicago bubble. I am sure every team has a player not living up to the hype that has a lot of talk associated with. For example, I would bet money Ray Rice was the most talked about football player in the last 12 months.

          • Scott W.

            Do a Lexis Nexus search spanning the last 6 years using Jay Cutler as your parameters.
            It’s a runaway.

          • willbest

            Last time I was a subscriber to LexisNexus such a query would have cost me somewhere around $180 for each football player I would want to enter in. Have they become more reasonable in their pricing?

          • Scott W.

            I used to have unlimited access, now, I call a friend of mine who does, so I don’t know about their per-search pricing at all. I was spoiled.

          • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

            post-Vick, no

  • GPLDAN

    Mel Kiper on the other hand, thinks the Bears will take Kevin White to HELP Jay.

    http://www.hngn.com/articles/83522/20150409/chicago-bears-rumors-kevin-white-targeted-in-nfl-draft-to-help-jay-cutler.htm

    But Mel Kiper’s face looks like a banana that Rodney Dangerfield wiped his ass with, so fuck that guy. He’s wrong about everything.

    • willbest

      If you pass rusher isn’t there at 7. You go WR, OT, CB, unless you have a once in a generation talent at one of the other positions.

    • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

      source of his hair gel?

    • Irish Sweetness

      When you look at our roster, which area jumps out as weak? Receiver, right? It went from being a great top two, to bottom of the league stuff. I guess I wouldn’t cry if they felt they had to draft a stud receiver.

  • Ken

    Sorry for being rational Jeff, but these are the facts:

    Last year, there were two players who started at least half of their team’s games at cornerback who were age 34 or older. They were:
    CB Rashean Mathis, Detroit — 1 interception
    CB Terence Newman, Cincinnati — 1 interception
    $3 million dollars for Tillman in 2015 does not work in the real world.
    Tillman’s agent is a genius. I just became allergic to peanuts.

    • Scott W.

      You’re missing the entire point of Jeff’s piece.

      • Ken

        I do not share Jeff’s old fashioned and sentimental beliefs because they do not win Super Bowls, let alone playoff games. Time to move on, as soon as you keep bringing up the past you are done- and do not want to grow anymore. Status quo is the enemy.

        • Scott W.

          Okay man. Enjoy your day.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      In the NFL the “$3 million dollars” are guaranteed “$3 million dollars”. They would have said so.

      I’d go with 1,5 M base + 1,5 M in playing incentives. That’s my guess/bet.

      For example Antrel Rolle does indeed get $5 million dollars guaranteed this season. Maybe it’s the same agent.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Peanut’s done? That was clear. Know who wasn’t? Number 16.

    • GPLDAN

      They let Pat O’Donnell go?

  • GPLDAN

    I don’t believe the NFL rules allow for a draft day swap for cash. The Bears can’t just cut a check to the Titans general fund for $8M to swap #7 for #2. Otherwise Jezza would go nuts buying people’s picks.

    But by picking up $8M of Cutler’s salary and trading him to the Titans and having them pick up the rest, it’s arguably a pretty fine distinction to just buying the pick.

    If Pace really is doing this because he’s worked a 2nd deal with the Eagles out to draft rape them for Marcus, he would instantly be the best GM in the last 30 years for the Bears. We would collectively will him Jennifer Garner to be his girlfriend to bang, and break ground on the Navy Pier statute. He out Weaver’d Sonny Weaver.

    I have to admit: I kind of pray to the football ghod to make this happen.

    • Trading Cutler only makes sense if they get a QB in return. Trading Cutler and then trading the draft pick to get the QB away would be dumb.

      • Scott W.

        Is there a typo in there?

        • no, it’s just poorly worded. It would read better like this:
          Trading Cutler for Mariota and then trading Mariota away, leaving the Bears without a starting QB for 2015, would be dumb.

          • Scott W.

            Agree 100% with that.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Isn’t all dependent on the NEED to get rid of Cutler ?

            This isn’t a ‘get a franchise QB’ plan…it’s a ‘get rid of Cutler and his cap space no matter what’ plan. Right ?

          • Scott W.

            It’s all just rumors. Click-craving writers mostly.
            I put the odds at around 192-1.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            that’s rather small odds for such an improbable scenario

            Cutler to Titans
            2nd pick to the Bears
            Mariota to the Eagles via the Bears

            + other moves that I might have missed

          • Scott W.

            Heh..wondered if anyone would catch the math…32 picks per round, 32 x’s 6 (blowing off the 7th)…

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Wait… I didn’t… hell no.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Why? You roll with Clauesen, Fales, A.N. Other. You either do well, or you get nice high picks for another draft. Bingo. Win-win,as they say.

      • GPLDAN

        I don’t buy into this. At all.

        You have Pickle and Fales in the rotation. You draft-rape Chip Kelly and take 3-4 picks from him and use it to build the D, stack up on new secondary and wideouts, and build the foundational elements of a team on a 3-year plan.

        So you don’t have a QB that you can roll into the post-season with. So what, Data? So what?

        This is a team that went into a season with Craig Krenzel. The Bears model is to build a great team and THEN go get a QB. This team developed Kyle Orton for fuck’s sake.

        No. Sorry. you got it wrong.

        If you can take the Eagles to the cleaners for Marcus and dump Jay, even if you eat $8M in cap space to go get a whole hoard of 2nd to 4th rounders in this draft, you jump on it. You go Michigan Fab 5 with it and have a D with 5 rooks in it.

        With Christian Jones, some of these FAs, you just need safeties and a nose tackle and a wide out. You are ok at OL if you think you can squeeze another year out of Bushrod. But you could load up the till and build a solid team that is extremely talent poor right now using this move.

        • willbest

          Kelly overpaid for Bradford, what makes you think he wants Marcus?

        • Irish Sweetness

          So fucking this.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Are there really all that many rumors about this trading stuff, Cutler, Mariota ?

      I’m much into the NHL right now, so I’m not reading anything and everything, but if you’d only read this blog it would seem like that’s all everybody is talking about.

      • Scott W.

        It’s a fairly hot predraft rumor here, yeah.
        Mostly because it involves Cutler though, not Mariota.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          slow period I guess.

          try and invent talk between college finals and the soon to start playoffs.

          • Scott W.

            Pre-draft projections and rumors always grab a lot of readers, even though nearly all of them are just wild-ass guesses, and don’t happen.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I’m sure it does. It’s only natural if you watch college football as many do.

      • Scott W.

        I’ve tried, but hockey just never grabbed and held my attention.
        I know it’s huge elsewhere, and a lot of the guys here follow it.
        All that just to say that the NFL offseason is brutal for me, because it’s the only sport I really care enough about to follow closely.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          NHL playoff hockey is the best sport there is.

          Give it a try then…soon.

      • Irish Sweetness

        There’s an obvious conversation that’s been had. The Titans need a QB, and everyone has their price. If it takes them until draft day for the buyer to decide if the price will be paid, so be it.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Ok…that’s a legitimate scenario. But it seems to me like those are only rumors, very low % rumors.

  • GPLDAN

    It’s true: I just bought two of these:

    http://tinyurl.com/lg2tbzd

  • I think there’s a distinction between fans and an NFL front office that has to be made here.

    As a fan, losing Tillman sucks. It sucks hard. Straight shot to the baby maker. But an NFL GM can’t think like a fan. Investing $3M in a 34 year old CB who can’t stay healthy isn’t a smart move.

    The best franchises in the NFL are the ones who have not showed that emotion. Baltimore let Ed Reed walk and traded Ngata away. GB let Favre walk, and did the same thing with Charles Woodson in a similar situation a few years ago.

    Those guys all meant similar things to their franchises as Tillman did with the Bears. And those franchises all ended up the better for those moves (we’ll see with Ngata, which just happened this offseason).

    • Scott W.

      Not arguing that at all man.

      My point is there should be a mechanism in place to bridge the gap.

      Regardless, I’m gonna stand by that.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yep, and three of those guys (Favre, Woodson and Reed) are sure HoFers, and the two ex-Cheese had some good years afterward. (Woodson arguably had a Pro Bowl worthy season last year.)

      Tillman will always be a Bear. That won’t change. But yes, Pace had to make a pragmatic decision when it came to him. Part of the deal of being a pro athlete is being available. Peanut hasn’t been available for three years.

      • 2 years. He was arguably the best CB in the NFL in 2012 (3 years ago).

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, that was a career year for Peanut: his only All-Pro selection and his second and final Pro Bowl. But by the time the ’15 season starts it will be three years since he played at least half a season.

          • Big Mike

            10 games in the last two years.

  • DaCoaches Mustache

    Anyone remember that Titans game in 2012 when Tillman forced like 30 fumbles. It was probably closer to 5 or something but it was one of the best games i’ve seen anyone play. I’ll remember that game when i think of the Nut.

    • he was simply incredible in 2012. Forced 13 turnovers and shut down Calvin Johnson not once but twice in the midst of the most productive season a WR has ever had in the NFL.

      Johnson in 2 games against Tillman: 4 catches/gm, 12.5 targets/gm, 53 yards/gm

      Johnson in 14 other games: 8.1 catches/gm, 12.9 targets/gm, 132.8 yards/gm

      • Irish Sweetness

        Shutting down CJ is what I’ll remember him for, not the strips. You can do no more.

    • Scott W.

      Yeah Coach. I was thinking of that game this morning. Good post.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Amen to this

    • GPLDAN

      Oh Fuck you.

      You would like it if the Bears paid Tillman $3m and then he sat the season after he re-ruptured his triceps again after game 3. Piss off.

      • AlbertInTucson

        You shouldn’t hold things back like that, GP, it’s bad for your health. Learn to say how you really feel.

        • GPLDAN

          How off base is Jeff if Cheesy gives him a amen?

          Answer: way off.

        • BillW

          I like Chessymey for some reason and yet I agree with you.

          I’m sure that has nothing to do with the several New Glarus Stouts I’ve had tonight.

          I hate Spotted Cow but their stout is quite good.

          • BillW

            Meant to reply to gpldan. Having a bit of difficulty. It was a rough week. I’m entitled

          • GPLDAN

            Drink up.

          • AlbertInTucson

            We older folk don’t need to explain hat to each other, Bill.

      • BearDown100393

        Yeah sure but if the shoe was on the opposite foot, the same would be expressed. Hypothetically of course considering no Bear fan would troll a Packers site anyway…

  • Scott W.

    You guys doing anything this weekend?

    http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/chris-long-kyle-long-start-zombie-apocalypse-survival-school-349457.html

    For only $20 grand, per DAY, you too can learn how to throw a spear…

  • AlbertInTucson

    Attention 0-4 White Sox. Regular season HAS started.

    • AlbertInTucson

      AND, finally in the win column today…but they made it exciting.

      • Trac

        Why do the Sox and Cubs even bother? Baseball lost me after their last strike.

        • AlbertInTucson

          I admit I’m not the baseball fan I once was but the NFL’s had more than one strike. NBA Struck. NHL twice.

          I think non-striking sports leaves you with Soccer, NASCAR, oh, and the WNBA.

          • Trac

            The difference being that I’ve always loved football. When an ugly broad treats me like chopped liver….she gone!

  • GPLDAN

    Fairdale, up by Rockford, got hit hard. Keep those people in mind. I know somebody who lives up that way, they were spared but Fairdale got blitzed.

    Here is what it looked like coming in:

    http://tinyurl.com/mvn7jau

    And what it did:

    http://tinyurl.com/kjevo4u

    • Waffle

      that is terrible GP. That will take some time to recover from.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Blackhawks; 3 straight 2-1 losses to playoff bound teams.

    Not. Good.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      They’re waiting for the playoffs, rightfully so.

      No worries for me… not more than the usual jitters for the coming month.

      • willbest

        Still would have felt better with home ice.

    • Big Mike

      Playing awful. Nashville’s a better draw than the Blues. Let’s hope they find a spark.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Nashville’s basically stumbled down the stretch as well.

        • BearDown100393

          The Predators have some injury issues not unlike Chicago.

    • supposedly Kane will be back soon. But they need to figure out some way to create scoring chances. Their offense has been simply brutal.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Even if Kane CAN return soon, how effective can he be after such a long layoff?

  • Aaron T. Starks

    Overly-emtional. I’m a Bears fan FIRST. Doing what’s best for the TEAM’S SUCCESS is what GMs and Coaches are paid to do. Not keep the family together long past they’re able to succeed. You can love and admire Charles Tillman and what he did for this team and this community. Playing for another team doesn’t affect that one iota. But it was time for the team to move on from him. Just like it has been for countless other legends of every team in sports throughout history.

    This notion that a team should never move on from a legend is simply baffling to me.

    • Trac

      I agree. Maybe it’s time for Jeff to crack open an O’Douls and put away the bong.

      • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

        he can do both

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    That Adrian AmosS surely seems like a potential Bears draft target.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/04/11/cff-sig-stats-safeties-part-2/

  • BillW

    Pft mock has us taking Kevin white

    I know we need another receiver and I guess the defensive guys they have taken above us are so good it makes sense they’d be gone. . And I guess there is enough drop off to the next best d player that the best wr is the better choice

    It just seems the Bears are never good enough or bad enough. We draft 5th after eliminating the 2 qba and there are not 5 great defensive players in the draft

    • BillW

      They have Williams fowler Cooper and Beasley ahead.So only 3 defensive players in their minds worth the top 7. All gone before us. So we don’t even get the best receiver. May as well trade down

      • Waffle

        No trading down. Impact player will be selected.

        • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

          they would trade down if they got the right price. For me that would be a lower 1st and high 2nd – that won’t happen tho….

          • Waffle

            I don’t know, there is a rumor swirling about the Bears doing just that and picking up 2 guys on D or a D and a WR.

          • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

            can’t be sad about that, as long as ONE of those D guys is Collins I would be VURRY happy

        • Irish Sweetness

          If you’re scouting and coaching is good, you’ll draft two impact players when you trade back.

    • Waffle

      Laughable mock. No way in hell bears take a wide receiver with 7th pick if they don’t go DL/DT/OLB
      They will take OL or CB if they don’t go with pass rusher.

      • how can you be so sure they won’t go WR? Teams line up in 3 WR sets about 2/3 of the time.

        Right now that’s Alshon, Royal, and Wilson (and Royal is pretty much exclusively a slot guy, which means he will mostly only play in 3 WR sets). The depth behind them is laughably pathetic. They have 2 WRs on the roster with even 20 NFL catches to their name.

        You can make a very real argument that WR is the biggest need on the roster right now.

        Though I’ve been saying for weeks, and still believe, that the #7 pick should not be made with the next year in mind. It should be made with the next 10 years in mind, which means you just grab the player you feel most confident will be a good player for you for the next several years. If that player is a WR, they should absolutely grab him. If it’s an OT, CB, QB, DT, OLB, whatever: grab him.

        • Waffle

          How do I know we won’t go WR?

          Because people didn’t punt against the Bears.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            understandable, but was that because of coaching and scheme? If Fangio thinks he has enough to dramatically improve the D from FA already I could easily see going WR. However if this draft is truly as deep at WR as all the talking heads say i think they should hold out till round 2 for a WR.

          • Waffle

            Fox has to look at what guys like Fangio did in SF with that D and has to be licking his chops. Fox is an old school football guy and the concept of a kick you in the teeth D combined with weapons we already have on O will be too good and common sense to pass up.
            I predict D pick with 7 or maybe Scherff at OL.
            ….but then a rumor started spreading about the OLB’s that pretty much says that the Bears feel there is a A LOT of talent in the whole bunch of OLB’s and that they don’t see a huge drop off from the 3rd best OLB to the 4th and 5th. Jason Goff, who actually makes friends in the league and not enemies actually, was talking to an NFL guy who feels the Bears are currently talking to several teams about moving back out of the 7th pick to acquire another late 1st round early 2nd round pick.
            Randy Gregory and Bud Dupree will be there since Gregory is a moron and Dupree isn’t considered a top 15 pick at this point. Gregory is a fucking dork kid but if put in the coaching room with Fangio and vets could make for a good late round signing. He has talent but is a bad weekend away from ending up on TMZ with a bunch of hookers at the club.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i disagree. ending up on TMZ with a bunch of hookers at the club is not necessarily a bad weekend.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This is the beauty of a trade-down. Instead of drafting a receiver, when what you really want is those two LBs … or a LB and a Landon Collins … it’s just beyond sweet.

  • NewBearInTown

    The problem with Jeff’s attitude is that a lot of players don’t know when they’re done. So a team will be the bad guy and offer a lowball contract (Lach) or simply state what the true market is (Olin) because otherwise the guy will just never retire.

    Now Peanut is a special case. He played at a high level when healthy, he just has an injury now that the team is probably concerned will not heal. If I’m the Bears how do I handle that? I probably offer a contract with a large number tied to weeks when Peanut is able to dress, but I don’t know if doing that would allow the team to higher another corner with the savings if Peanut got hurt.

    But one thing is certain: there will be a definite answer to this question. Either Peanut has a good year and Pace screwed up, or Peanut has a bad/injured year and Jeff’s an idiot fan. There is very little middle ground.

    • BearDown100393

      There is an additional layer to this situation and IMO it has not really been recognized here. There is a new Bears management and coaching staff. These people certainly appreciate and respect Tillman’s career but have no real relationship or past history with him. They were brought in to the organization to reverse the tide. This is a team that has by and large underachieved for quite sometime. The Bears have been on the outside looking in regarding the playoffs. Emery/Trestman clearly fell out of favor with ownership rather quickly. Pace/Fox understand better than most that their jobs are to quickly reverse the alarming downward trend. And what is being done here is not really surprising. New NFL team managements clean house. Few stay from one program to the next. Tillman wants to continue his career. That is his right. Just as it is Pace/Fox tandem’s right not to bring him back. It is business, not personal. Closing off, as a Charles Tillman fan (I highly respect Peanut), I’m happy for his opportunity to continue a NFL career in Carolina. He wants to play and has the opportunity to do so. Good for him. What would have been a shame was that he be denied after his time here ran out. That is the reality for many players, some having just as much talent and commitment. And when he does call it quits (hopefully on his terms – such a rare luxury), the Bears can bring him back to the fold in some future capacity. The man has so much potential beyond playing ball. Tillman understands the game. He can share his knowledge as a coach or with fans in a media capacity. Perhaps he will show more of a management potential in the front office – who knows to be sure? But I would be very surprised (and yes disappointed) if the Bears don’t pick up on his post-playing career potential. For most who finish a playing career, that is where the story ends. I truly believe in this case, it will simply be another chapter.

      • Don’t know if Peanut would be willing to do all the drudgery of a low-level coach. He’s pretty well off and has already stated he wants to spend more time with his family.
        Plus, the Score keeps reiterating that his fav sport is actually basketball. Go figure.

        I don’t think we’ll be seeing Peanut in the coaching capacity. I would love to. Last year on the sidelines, he looked like he was teaching the secondary and Fuller seemed to learn some of that punch.

        We’ll see though.

        • Tillman does not want to coach, at least not at the NFL level.

          “Tillman’s career future as a player is unclear, but he was 100% clear about an option he would never pursue: coaching. Asked whether he would consider making the move into the coaching ranks, Tillman’s response was, “Absolutely not – coaching is not a desire I have right now. The only people I’m coaching are my kids. Coaches, they meet too much. They’ll have a meeting about how to make a meeting better. I definitely don’t want to coach… zero interest to coach.” In case there was any doubt, he punctuated his response by saying, “Zero. Zero. Zero.”

          from this interview last December: http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2014/12/19/7419987/charles-tillman-interview-courtyard-coaching-cutler-fuller

          • NewBearInTown

            Was going to post the same thing. I think Peanut retires and walks away from the NFL. I think he transitions into career using the connections he has made through his foundation. A guy like that could do very well as a rep/spokesman for some sort of medical equipment company related to children’s heart disease (what his daughter had).
            He could also choose a career in the non-profit sector, which can also produce a nice wage.
            He also might have been frugal enough that he can retire now and be a stay at home Dad for the next 20 years, watching his kids grow up.
            Man… I wish I had the talent these guys do.

          • I’d like to see Tillman do some media stuff. He was really good in his weekly appearance on CSN after going on IR last year.

          • NewBearInTown

            Yeah, he did the Laurence Holmes show a few times; he’s a real character. But to get a permanent gig in Chicago media you’re almost forced to go negative (look at Pat Mannelly, Lach, etc.) I don’t know that Peanut has that in him.
            Dunno, the guy has options for sure.

          • I could see him doing media directly for the Bears like Anthony Adams and Tom Waddle do.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            after the shit show that was on the field the last couple years its easy to go negative, but i doubt it is a requirement.

          • Trac

            Or he could just travel the country in his half million dollar RV that he bought from a buddy of mine last year.

          • according to Spotrac, Tillman has made more than $40M in his career, and that doesn’t include endorsements. I know taxes, agent fees, and the like play into that, but I don’t think he has to be particularly frugal to retire now.

          • NewBearInTown

            Depends. Some of these guys spend the money faster than they make it when they have $10M/yr contracts. But I agree, if $40M gross turns into $20M net after taxes, agent fees and such, that’s still enough for a nice life without a problem.
            But I don’t he’s the kind of guy that won’t work. He’ll get the itch. He might not feel the need to chase a big salary, but he’ll want to do something with his time. And once the kids get a bit older, there’s a stretch of time from 9-3 when they’re in school anyway.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            maybe not a full time coach, but possibly a ‘camp consultant’ where he would just show up a couple weeks during Training Camp.

      • NewBearInTown

        That’s all true, and probably a reason Pace wouldn’t overpay. But the fact is, Peanut is a good cornerback. If he stays healthy, he’s a starting cornerback on 25+ teams in the league. You don’t let a guy like that walk just to “clean house.”

        • Trac

          If healthy, you make a good point. Unfortunately, that’s a risk that outweighs the rewards for a new coaching staff trying to build a winning team. Like I said in an earlier post, not resigning Peanut was justified considering the injury that’s kept him off the field for 2 years.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Oooooh the knives are out for Tiger in BBC land.

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/golf/32245482

  • One side story about this Mariota to the Bears story…Mariota compares best to Kap (but with a weaker arm,IMO).
    And we all know how Kap owns the Pukes.
    Maybe he’s not the best QB in this draft, but perhaps he is the best equipped to beat the Don Capers D.

    • Waffle

      the 49ers and their badass run game and ball busting throwback D full of fucking killers had something to do with it no? Kap is a great running QB and adds a dimension to that offense to be damn sure but what the fuck.
      I fucking hate it when people say one guy beats this team or one guy can’t beat some other team. C’mon man, don’t make me break out the rum this early.

      • Not many QBs run a 4.4, 4.5 at 220 and can run for 200 yards.
        For instance, Winston.
        Doesn’t mean Mariota is better, but the Pack struggle against fast read option QBs.
        Was watching replay yesterday, and Tannenhill did the same to the Pack. (to a lesser degree) the read option made Matthews look like a chump. Soon, he didn’t know to rush the qb, or pull back for the HB.

        We could actually do the same with Cutler, but he’s been inj prone with a history of concussion and is 30something, so I doubt that will happen.

        • GB’s D really struggles defending the read-option. Just like Chicago’s did. That’s all Butch was saying, and it’s a good point. I had been thinking about the same thing, but hadn’t put it in words yet.
          Not that Bears need to get a running QB or anything, just that it would be a bonus against GB if they did.

          • Yup, you could see Allen going really wide playing contain more than rushing the QB in some games, which looked like a plan.
            I do have my doubts about running QBs being a long term answer for any franchise, but god damn, Dom Capers gets raped by true read-option QBs.

        • Waffle

          Winston is slow as balls. Kap looks like a Jamaican sprinter compared to anyone else.
          I have to admit, Kap and Wilson are two of the most intriguing athletes. One guy is long and lean and runs with Cheetah like strides which is deceptive speed, and the other is effectively a smart running back that can throw when necessary and is really creative and shifty.

          • Yeah, I mean, chip running that shit with Sanchize was a joke. Really, a LB is gonna worry about Sahnchize? I’m surprised it worked at all.
            But with a 220lb cheetah like Kap/Mariota , or even a shifty little fuck like Wilson, that scares LBs to death, even PBs like Matthews. It slows their roll.

            Still, I have my doubts about running QBs as long term projects.
            Kap was working this off-season learning what guys like Peyton and Roth knew since 12 years old.

          • Waffle

            Kap will be a perfectly fine QB as long as the offense he plays with has a strong run game and has quick hitting run plays. Wilson is the same. A good run game and a strong scheme/OL make people look good or at least help provide continuity as well as opening up the playaction/read option game.

          • I think the last part is important. The GM/Coach must have a coherent vision about what kinda team they want.
            Emery/Tresty wanted a “modernized” Bears, a WCO high-octaine, Saints type of team with perhaps an opportunistic D.
            I never liked it. Maybe cuz I was brainwashed by Ditka viewing it as pussy ball – running 2 yd slants instead of running it down their throats, but the results in the first year won many over. I thought, ‘Ok, maybe I’m just being a meathead’ (though I still wanted a FB and tank HB).
            But perhaps wanting a dominant run game and studly defense isn’t being a meathead Bears’ fan – it’s just wanting to win the NFL.

      • Trac

        However, McNabb and Steve Smith did a pretty good job of taking over games to beat us.

  • Irish Sweetness

    5 steals in the draft. Charles Davis. Nfl.com

    fo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon

    The skinny: If Ekpre-Olomu had not suffered a season-ending knee injury during practice for the College Football Playoff in December, I think he would be in the conversation for top cornerback in the draft. Now, he’s not in the first-round conversation and I have him ranked as the No. 10 corner available. He might need a redshirt year as a rookie as he recovers from the injury, but he’s such a good player. It will be interesting to see how early a team will be willing to draft him. At 5-foot-9, he’s going to struggle against size at times, but he’s an excellent tackler, even though he missed a few last season, and has great intangibles.

    Tre’ Jackson, G, Florida State

    The skinny: Jackson will probably go in the third round, but he’ll likely be a plug-and-play guy and start in the NFL for a decade. He’s a tough, physical player who is proficient in just about everything he’s asked to do.

    Dezmin Lewis, WR, Central Arkansas

    The skinny: Lewis could join the likes of Cecil Shorts and Pierre Garcon, who both played their college ball at the University of Mount Union, and become the next small-school receiver to make his mark in the NFL. He had a good showing at theSenior Bowl and is a big-bodied target (6-4, 214 pounds) who can make plays downfield. 2014 draft steal Martavis Bryant is that type of player, too.

    Za’Darius Smith, DE, Kentucky

    The skinny: Smith kept flashing at the East-West Shrine Game. In fact, he was so impressive that he received a call-up to the Senior Bowl, where he had a very good week. He’s a high-effort player who will battle to make plays. One other East-West defensive end to keep in mind — Miami’s Anthony Chickillo, who starred along with Smith in the Shrine Game.

    T.J. Yeldon, RB, Alabama

    The skinny: I’m hearing more and more buzz about Yeldon of late, which is interesting considering he’s not a newcomer to the national scene having played a prominent role for Alabama. The thing is, Yeldon has often been left out of discussions about the top running backs in the draft. I think the team that lands him in the middle rounds will be very happy with the value he provides, though. He’s a talented rusher with good receiving ability. Yeldon is productive, and I was on hand last month for his pro day, where he ran very well. The stopwatches I saw had him in the mid-4.4s, a big improvement from his NFL Scouting Combine 40 (4.61).

    • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

      Lewis & Yeldon sound intriguing, especially Lewis – at 6’4″ 214, that’s nice size target right there.

      • Waffle

        loved how Yeldon ran in college. I just read an article about some kid that wasn’t even invited to the combine but he broke his schools rushing record….held by CHRISTIAN OKOYE. The kid is 6’2 240 like Stephen Jackson. Racing up draft boards.

        • I would love Yeldon in the mid-rounds. He’d be a steal. Said that a few months back, but I guess the secret is out.
          Glad he ran a 4.61 cuz might make him drop. Forte ran about the same.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The Nigerian Nightmare!

  • GPLDAN
    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      how is that a failure to stick up for Jay??? As far as i know, George has kept the same message through out. He likes Jay but football decisions are up to Pace and Fox.

      • GPLDAN

        The Sun Times reporter draws the same conclusion in the article.

        George doesn’t say “we want Jay going into the season” or throw anything out there at all to dissuade the trade rumor. Not that it’s the owners place to do so, but if Jay were 100% sticking around he might have said more than he did.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          Why should he have to say “we want Jay”? He has repeatedly stated football decisions are up to Pace and Fox. What benefit would it be to say anything that goes against that message?

          • To a degree, it’s pragmatic that the owner just says, “it’s up to the coaches/gm”. However, I don’t think the KC press is pestering the Chief’s owner about Alex Smith, and if they did ask, he’d probably undeniably declare that Smith is their starter day 1.

            Where there’s smoke, there tends to be fire…however, this is lying season, so who the hell knows.

            My personal feeling is that Pace told the McCaskey he would dump certain players in the interview, and Marshall and Cutler were on the top of that list.

            Got rid of Marshall for Canadian quarters, but probably doesn’t want to do the same with Cutler esp due to his contract and scarcity of options at the position, but once a viable QB plan materializes/right offer, Cutler is gone, imo.

          • Waffle

            I still find it hard to stomach that Marshall was let go for so little. I get it that there were locker room dynamics at play but with Briggs gone and a whole new slate at coaching positions and a strong HC this would have been the perfect environment to deal with Brandon. Now we have a need at WR where once we were the targets of jealousy.

          • Irish Sweetness

            This. Marshall and Peanut. BANG!

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            The KC press already knows that Reid is running that team, and my guess is that the KC owner would say just as much. Probably something like, “I hired Reid to run things and i backup his decisions.”

            i agree with ‘once a viable QB plan materializes/right offer, Cutler is gone’ statement. Mainly because successful teams know when to move on and only move on when they are sure of the succession plan ala Rodgers over Favre or Brady over Bledsoe.

            This article, IMO, is just poor journalism and just an example of a journalist wanting page reads by continuing the negative narrative as always. There was no context put forth for McCaskey’s quote, so he could interpret the quote any way he wanted to. What was the question that McCaskey responding to?

    • BearDown100393

      Good for George. He didn’t take the bait and as a result, avoids running interference with Pace’s plan.

  • The “voluntary” off-season has commenced, esp for new coaches who get a head start. I quote “voluntary” because it’s about as voluntary as you having dinner with your in-laws…

    http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/photo-gallery/2015-Bears-Roster/c7529dce-7838-4412-84d5-367e64e81372

  • The gold-rush on WRs might mean more talent elsewhere falling to us in the 2nd:

    USC WR Nelson Agholor is moving up draft boards in part because teams reportedly think he can play inside and outside with equal effectiveness.
    Agholor’s buzz continues to get louder as we get closer to the draft. He’s not particularly big (6’0/198) or exceedingly fast (4.42), but was dominant as a slot receiver at USC (104-1,313-4) and can also return kicks at a plus level. If Chip Kelly thinks Agholor can play outside as well as inside, it’s possible he’ll take the plunge at No. 20 overall.

    SI’s Peter King says Central Florida WR Breshad Perriman has at least two teams in the teens “looking seriously at him.”
    Perriman’s Pro Day times of 4.19 and 4.27 at 6’2/212 have his stock on the rise. Just about every team in the teens could use difference-making WR help, but the Dolphins (No. 14), 49ers (No. 15) and Browns (No. 19) stand out. Perriman is the son of ex-Lions WR Brett Perriman. – Roto

    • White and Cooper for sure, but Parker, Strong and maybe even Dorial-Green Beckman might go in the first.
      IF “DGB” is there for us in the 2nd (and we didn’t draft a WR at #7), that’ll be oftly tempting….

      • I finally got around to watching Parker this weekend… he’s a better player than White, IMO. I want nothing to do with White at #7. For me it’s one of Cooper, Beasley, or Williams if they’re there, otherwise I like Scherff.

        • Waffle

          you can never go wrong with OL with one vowel and 6 consonants in their name.

          • I love his attitude. Don’t know if he ends up at T or G, but I am confident he’ll end up a good player somewhere on the OL.

          • The only problem I have with a studly OG in the top 10 is value.
            It’s not unusual to find good ones in the late 1st or even later rounds.

            However, the chances of finding game changing CBs, Rushers, LTs, etc is far less.
            If Scherff was a for sure LT, I’d have no problem with that based on the same premise.

            Heck, some are even saying Long was too high esp since the Lions drafted Warford in the 3rd, or look at the Pack drafting their Oline in later rounds.

            Edit. Not to mention OGs aren’t “safer” at the top 10. Look at Jonathan Cooper who we were all clamoring for a few drafts back.

    • good. Draft guys like Perriman before the Bears pick at 39… just one more good player who drops to Chicago there.

      The guy dropped 14% of his catchable targets in college. 14%. He’s DHB 2.0.

      • BillW

        Per PFT, Perriman visited the Bears over the weekend.

        (By the way – DHB? I can’t place the initials.)

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          my guess is darrius heyward bey

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            You are correct sir, RIP Phil

      • John Doe

        The guy is a fast version of Brandon Marshall.

        Brandon Marshall suffered dropsies thorugh out his career. But you were still a big supporter to keep him on the team.

        Breshad Perriman is Brandon Marshal 2.0. Another UCF guy with big body.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          Marshall was slow but big coming out, some thought he’d be a TE, but he persevered. He was also a 4th round pick so there were tempered expectations. If BP is a mid-first rounder expectations are going to be thru the roof for him. Don’t know if he can handle that, plus BMarsh was a better route runner and had more production than BP at UCF. The comparison just isn’t there dude.

          • John Doe

            I was comparing his tendency to drop passes to that of Marshalls. Because JWood’s main case against him is that he drops too many passes. Well, Marshall dropped too many passes too.

          • Marshall had good hands but inconsistent focus. Perriman has bad hands. There’s a big difference between those 2.

          • Irish Sweetness

            League leaders in receiving lead drops tables too. Drops are a function of targets.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Brandon Marshall was a 4th round pick.

  • Bear Down in Tampa
  • John Doe

    The kind of players visting Bears (mid to late first round) indicate a trade down is coming…

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 36m36 minutes ago
    With today’s visit of WR Breshad Perriman, #Bears are really doing their due-diligence on the top WRs. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18kVutzhh-Rgwgii0K_9xNeROAg7CgEyeOzGkJT8Wtjs/edit?usp=sharing

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      whose rankings are you looking at to determine mid to late first round?

    • they’ve also had visits with several of the top prospects. Perriman would be more of a rd 2 target, and I hope the Bears don’t end up with him.

      If you want a really fast guy who can’t catch, sign some mediocre professional sprinter. You can get the same production out of him as Perriman without wasting a high pick.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      reading the pre draft visits is a though thing.

    • NewBearInTown

      Any player with a first round grade is worth doing your due diligence. They might not be planning to trade down, but anything is possible (including trading up from the second round).
      I don’t know how the actual teams do it, but I view visits as a way for me to check whether I find an issue that nobody else knows about and avoid a bust, or to make sure something is a non-issue that everyone else thinks is a problem, thereby allowing me to catch a “falling” pick.
      If these players are late first rounders, I suspect the team is looking for guys that might fall into the second round.

    • Very interesting. I usually look at Walter Football to see who visited the Bears, but I like this spread sheet better.
      It gives a clue not necessarily about who they’re interested, but what position in what rounds they’re looking into. From there (plus the kind of players the coaches tend to favor), you can more accurately deduce the rest (That’s how I figured out Mills was gonna be a Kromer late round project when no one even heard of him).

      It might be a little harder this time around because Pace is the wild-card (like Emery). It’s going to be his first draft ever. Don’t know if he’s going to be more proactive, or if he’s gonna give Fox/Fangio major consideration.

      • And on that note, a few Butch observations/prognostications:
        1) Those Safeties are interesting. I think we’re targeting a S in the 3rd, may even move up for one of them. This means that Collins is all but off our board.
        2.) CB is definitely in the mix in the first 2 rounds. If they’re sold on Waynes, that might be our first pick. If not, I expect it to be a heavy priority in the 2nd.
        3) OT is likewise in the mix in the first 2 RDs, most likely the 2nd. Whichever CB/OT they have graded higher that falls to the 2nd, i expect them to draft there.
        4.) OLB/WR heavy favorites in the 1st. Fowler, Beasly, Cooper in that order.
        5) We are definitely drafting a HB. It’s interesting that they looked at Gurley. Unless we trade down, doubt he’s our guy, but that signals that Fox is serious about spelling Forte and going run heavy. They also looked at Tevin Coleman who is a violent runner. I like that. Haven’t checked out the later rd HBs like Dominique Brown or Malcom Agnew, but I will now. I suspect they have the same style.
        6) Interesting we only brought in one ILB McKinney. He’s 6’4 240 and Fangio knows a lil bit about drafting ILB.
        7) Bryce Petty was in. Might be a surprise 3rd rounder if there. Or might be nothing.
        8) The rest in the 6th-7th seem to be special team fodder, though hopefully we snatch up a C and TE to groom.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Jordan Spieth is incredible. He’s also the future of American golf. And I am completely happy with that.”

    Nice kid. Helluva performance.

    Meanwhile, Tiger Woods makes me dislike him even more with his “quest for attention” performance over his wrist issue.

    DON’T tell me you “dislocated” it and popped it back in, Mr. Woods.

    • BillW

      Ever since he decided that being married to a Swedish swimsuit model wasn’t “good enough” I have absolutely despised him.

      Similar feelings toward many people, including David Letterman – who I used to watch frequently and usually enjoyed.

      Anyone using a position of power and or fame, feeling entitled to that type of activity as a “perk” is disgusting.

      Michael Jordan, Brett Favre (with his wife recovering from breast cancer!)

      And the king snake in my mind – John Edwards. With his wife of many years supporting his run for presidency WHY SHE WAS DYING.

      I hope there is a special place in hell for people like him.

    • BerwynBomber

      Can’t say I bought that either. Tigger has a fixation with being seen as a full athlete. I took it as an example of some self-mythologizing. He played pretty well, though.

    • BearDown100393

      At least it wasn’t his glute dislocating like the last time. Phil Mikelson bent the shaft on his wedge helping Tiger pop it back in……

  • BillW

    Am I the only one who thinks it’s really strange that nothing has come out of the ball deflation issue? I mean, either they have something or they don’t. Even though the fans for the most part no longer care – if they ever did in the first place – the league hired a special investigator (good buddy Wells.)

    SOMETHING has to be reported. Most people figure they will conclude nothing could be determined – and that may be the case. But what in heaven’s name is taking them so long to announce that? Certainly more than enough time has passed. The longer it takes, the legitimate question is “what have you been looking into since say March 1 that you weren’t able to look into before then”?

    Once again, the league shows how incredibly inept it is at most everything. Football is so popular that not even the NFL can ruin it.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      my bet goes on ‘they didn’t find shit and let time pass so they make it look like they really, really looked’.
      I bet Brady wasn’t ‘interrogated’ yet.

      • BillW

        I believe you are right. I just wonder if any decent reporters will ask for a timeline of the investigation. With at least some detail (names withheld of course).

        Then I wonder if there are any decent reporters.

        Maybe we can get the crack staff at Rolling Stone on this.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          They’ll probably ask, but I doubt many people care about that ‘story’ anymore. Now…if they find something juicy, then people will returned involved.

          • NewBearInTown

            The wait this long could be the league waiting for the Friday before the draft to dump the news that they didn’t find anything.
            It could also be that they have something, but want an absolutely airtight case before they go public.
            But I suspect the former.

    • BearDown100393

      Robert Kraft had to pay Roger’s green fee over the weekend and all was quickly forgiven.

  • GPLDAN

    Biggsy was on the wavez this am. After he pounded 4 sausage egg mc-muffs the way you and I would pop the morning vitamins.

    He said that the new S&C guy is really shaking the house up. Angry is how he described Fox and his reaction to how Nessman ran the show at Halas. He called it “soft” and “weak” according to Fox.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-john-fox-strength-program-bits-spt-0327-20150326-story.html

    Biggsy went on for some time about how these guys want to tear all the dysfunction out, top to bottom.

    • So Fox is going to continue rotating captains. That’s interesting.
      Most likely because we don’t have any home grown captains (esp now that Garza is gone).

      • he said a couple weeks go the team will vote on 5 season-long captains (1 ST, 2 O, 2 D) and then he’ll appoint one each week to serve as the 6th captain.

        • BillW

          Wow – JWood and I have a telepathy thing going on!

      • BillW

        Only one rotating captain based on performance. Five fixed captains (2 O, 2D,1ST)

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      He can’t tear the dysfunction out top. That’s ownership land.

  • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

    Kaner Beck for the first series, Possibly game 1. Please and Thank You!

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      It could still be gamesmanship.

      • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

        no, it’s not. do some reasearch

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          hah.

          you seem pretty certain with another man’s clavicle

  • Huge Bear’s Penis
    • AlbertInTucson

      Yeah. THAT’LL impress the new regime.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        The new regime has to impress him. They didn’t, so he’ll do his own thing.

    • Johnnywad

      They’re not going to screw around with him. He has no leverage here.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        He also has all the leverage in the world. As did Marshall, as does Cutler.

    • BearDown100393

      For $100K, I’ll exercise at Halas Hall every day.

    • Waffle

      that’s a pussy move as the team starts to gather to regroup from the most disappointing season in modern day Bears lore.

      • Perhaps that’s why POX is checking out HBs.
        8M for Forte, or a cracker jack box for an angry hungry HB for the next 4 years…

        • Waffle

          it’s not like he’s outplaying his first contract. I want angry and hungry HB but you have to have the OL to go along with that and we don’t have that. We need Forte to be a leader and instead it looks like he is going Briggs on us.

          • SC Dave

            And i want a QB that can lead an offense.

          • Waffle

            Forte is an elder statesman on this team and this is the first thing he does at the beginning of an important year for the Bears?? Surely you don’t condone this.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        lol

    • NewBearInTown

      “In 2014, he ran for 1,038 yards and six touchdowns and accounted for 808 receiving yards and four additional touchdowns.”
      Everybody else had a bad season. Forte was a beast all year. I remember the entire blog saying that game after game.
      He’s upset because he got a lot of miles put on him last year for no reason and now there’s a new regime so he won’t even be rewarded for being a good soldier. He also knows that the league sees him getting older and getting a ton of carries, and that the offense this year might not give him the same production. So he’s worried he’ll have even less leverage next season.
      Meanwhile, the market for running backs this year has been stronger than expected, so Forte figures its a good time to make a case for value. $8.5 million isn’t below average league-wide, but he wants to add years to his deal. If I’m Pace, I’m not against that. Maybe guarantee $12 million, so he gets small bump, then give him like $20M for three years or $26M for four years. That brings the guarantee up, the average down and is a strong deal for both sides.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        “upset because he got a lot of miles put on him last year for no reason”
        he is an NFL player, he got 8+ million reasons to do his job last year.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Those are insane numbers.

        I would have given him a 3 years/ 16M/ 10 M guaranteed months ago.

        POX clearly want to get rid of him at the end of the year.

      • Forte is done as a starter after this year. So why pay him past this year? Emery nailed his last contract perfectly.

    • SC Dave

      Fuck, you assholes are full of shit. Voluntary means just that, and if there are ANY guarantees from anyone on the roster, it is that Matt Forte will not come into camp out of shape.

  • John Doe

    Leonard Williams – DL – Trojans
    NFL Media analyst Charles Davis thinks USC DL Leonard Williams could slide out of the top six.
    Davis ranks Williams as the No. 1 player in the draft, but sees potential trouble if Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota go Nos. 1-2, as expected. “The Jaguars (No. 3), Redskins (No. 5) and Jets (No. 6) all are consistently linked to the top edge rushers available, and most expect the Raiders (No. 4) to take a wide receiver,” Davis wrote. “Could Williams, an interior defensive lineman, fall all the way to the Bears at No. 7, who would most likely jump at the chance to pick him? I don’t think Williams will fall that far, but it’s not implausible.”

    Would be great if things go this way.

    • Not to mention that some question his motor (disappears in games) and pass rush.
      Very well could fall. Or could go #3.

      • John Doe

        Fox and Fangio duo will get his motor going just right..

    • Waffle

      Some L. Williams highlights for you. I like how he sheds blocks on the run, can rush from the DE position in the 3-4, drives guys into the ground, plays with attitude and seems incredibly athletic for such a big guy.

      • he’d play the Justin Smith role in this D. Nice combo of being able to hold up blockers but penetrate into the backfield when needed.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Pro Football Focus says he can’t pass rush for shit.

          https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/04/06/cff-profile-leonard-williams-di/

          • yeah, he’s not great at it. But from what I’ve seen he can penetrate and disrupt, he just doesn’t finish all that well.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            They say he was the opposite in college. More of a read and react, outsmart you type of player. Not penetrate and disrupt.

            I don’t know nothing about him. I do trust how PFF ‘reads’ players, though.

  • Waffle

    Eben Britton suspended 4 games this coming season…unspecified infraction

    Probably was just taking Adderall because he was having trouble with a University of Phoenix literature course he was taking. Could happen to anyone.

    • NewBearInTown

      Great way to get cut when you weren’t a lock to make the team anyway.

      • Waffle

        unfortunately. He would have signed on with another team easily. Now he put it all in jeopardy. All he can hope for at this point is a call from an injury plagued team at some point this year.

        • NewBearInTown

          Actually the opposite. The injury plagued teams won’t be able to spend a roster spot on a guy who can’t play for four games. He needs a team to stash him on the bench at the start of the season, let him serve the suspension, and then step in once injuries inevitably come.

          • I think Waffle was saying he could be a mid-season emergency signing by an injury-plagued team who needs veteran insurance.

          • Johnnywad

            But he has to be on a team to serve the four games doesn’t he? I don’t think they could sign him and put him to work immediately if he’s not on a roster and hasn’t served his suspension yet. I could be wrong.

          • I don’t believe he has to be on a team to serve that, but now that you mention it, I’m not sure.

  • Waffle

    so…..what team is ending up with Erik Kendricks and Benardrik McKinney. Holy Balls, i know you can’t take either at 7 but damn. A guy like Denzel Perryman in the 2nd round? Get an old Bears/Ravens type vibe going…..

  • Trac

    I had to read this article to even remember who this guy was. 6th overall pick in 96 and doomed to die behind bars.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/13/lawrence-phillips-accused-of-murdering-his-prison-cellmate/

    • GPLDAN

      Now Hernandez has an open bunk!

  • GPLDAN

    Raiders paid $3M for one year with Crabtree.

  • John Doe

    Can’t believe they are meeting with Rapist..

    Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 2h2 hours ago
    Jameis Winston scheduled to meet Bears in Chicago on Wednesday, per league source. Means Bears will have met w/ Winston and Marcus Mariota.

    • BearDown100393

      Ray McDonald might need a bunk mate.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      wasted resources

  • John Doe

    If I remember correctly, Ike Taylor and Tillman came into the league the same year. Tillman should have done what Taylor and Polmalu did – retire.


    Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 4h4 hours ago
    Steelers CB Ike Taylor retiring, just as longtime teammate Troy Polamalu did last week. No surprise in either case but Pitt losing linchpins

    • SC Dave

      Unlike taylor and polamalu, tillman has no rings. And maybe he’s looking forward to once again playing with arguably the best mlb in the league

    • BerwynBomber

      I have no problem with Tillman wanting to extend his career. I also have no problem with Pace and Fox saying good luck.

      Moreover, this overriding need of some fans for Tillman to stay permanently in the Bears organization I don’t quite get. Hell, if the guy decides that he prefers living the rest of his life in Charlotte instead of Chicago I wouldn’t blame him.

  • MorganW

    Never let logic cloud your thinking, Jeff. No one is a bigger fan of the Bears than I am but you don’t suit up players that are beyond their prime when trying to revamp an under-performing team, no matter how good they once were. That cap space could be used for a current contributor to the team. And when did it become the teams’ fault when players didn’t realize that they were too old to play at their original effectiveness? If it’s such a crime that he play for another team, then why isn’t it Tillman’s fault for not retiring when the Bears wouldn’t resign him. Yes, let’s just pay players because they were once good for the team until they don’t want to get paid anymore. When would they retire? They don’t have to perform. As I see it, I loved Tillman and he did change the game with the “peanut punch” but it is up to him to know when to leave the party. The Bears are not a charity and are trying to overhaul the entire team and on a budget. I’m sure that they would be willing to throw him a party but it is unreasonable to assume that they would hold a starting position open indefinitely for a player that can’t stay healthy and is toward the end of his career anyway. Just sayin’

    • AlbertInTucson

      This song has already been sung to Jeff SEVERAL times in several forms.

      Yours is an excellent rendition, too.

      The “Peanut Should have Remained A Bear” stance is just emotionally-charged obstinacy.

      Or, as Andy Dufrain might ask Jeff: “How can you be so obtuse?”

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