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Defensive Players Available for Bears in Rounds 2 & 3

| May 1st, 2015

nate-orchard

The Bears spent their first round selection on an offensive weapon and it’s safe to say that if Adam Gase is a halfway decent offensive coordinator and Jay Cutler buys into his approach the Bears will be a solid offensive unit in 2015. Their defense – even with some high profile and high priced additions – needs to get younger. The Antrel Rolles and Ray McDonalds and Mason Fosters of the world are fine but they are not going to be the foundation of a sustainably great defensive unit.

Below are some names to keep in mind as rounds two and three swallow up your television this evening. I like each of the players listed but videos accompany the player in each category for which I have a particular affinity.

Inside Linebackers

Eric Kendricks, UCLA

Denzel Perryman, Miami

Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State

Safety

Landon Collins, Alabama

Josh Shaw, USC

Adrian Amos, Penn State

Nose Tackle

Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma

Eddie Goldman, Florida State

Carl Davis, Iowa

Edge Rushers / Outside Linebackers

Randy Gregory, Nebraska

Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA

Nate Orchard, Utah

Eli Harold, Virginia

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  • Trac

    First to say, I would love for the Bears to draft Kendricks. Yes please!!!!

    • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

      This was probably posted before, Kendricks highlights

      • Irish Sweetness

        He’s small. No getting around it.

        • NewBearInTown

          He’s a perfectly good 3-4 MLB that can help a lot in covering the shallow routes that TEs run. He’s a bit undersized, but if we were to put a thumper next to him (Christian Jones), we’d be looking good.

          • I’d still like to see Jones at SAM, Foster at Mike, and Kendricks at Jack. Put McPhee at WILL with Houston as a DE, in base, then put them both on the DL and put Allen in at WILL in sub packages focusing on pass rush.

          • They’re projecting Houston at LB though.

          • I know. I still think he fits better as a DE though. But could move around and play in a variety of spots.

    • Really hoping for one of Kendricks, Jake Fisher, or Landon Collins.

      Which of course means one of those will be there and the Bears will draft a player I don’t like.

      • They have a different board than you, Data!
        IF u turn out to be correct and them wrong, we’ll petition for you to become Head Scout.

        • yeah, I am definitely not Ryan Pace. Which is why it took me close to an hour to calm down after that pick last night. Here’s hoping he was right and I am wrong.

          • Skipping on Beasley tells me they take size/length seriously.
            We’ll see if that is indeed the case or if they simply had White rated higher and went BPA.

  • Stephone Anthony was drafted 31st overall by the Saints, Jeff. Good stuff on this list though. Lot of options.

    • DaBearsBlog

      Was he? I went to sleep.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Not that I think the Bears first pick, White, was a bad one, but I was betting on Trae Waynes since our defense needs more help than our O and a good CB is for sure in the “need” box.

    • So you’d rather have Marquess Wilson starting at WR than Alan Ball at CB? WR was the biggest immediate need.

      And anyway this was about taking the guy who they thought was the best player still available. I happen to disagree heartily with that evaluation of him, but I can respect Pace for doing that.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        As I said, I don’t think it was a bad pick but I still feel our first pick should have been defensive. We still need some work on O, but our defense is a shambles.

        • Pace brought in 5-6 defensive starters in FA, and there are a lot of young guys who have been drafted the last few years on D.

          I think this is going to be an O heavy draft as he takes a wait and see approach this year to find out what he has in some of those youngsters.

        • Let’s look at it this way, would you rather have Julio Jones, or Antonio Cromartie?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Forgot about Ball, but if Jalen is the best CB in the draft – or your board says he is?
        I’m torn between Goldman and Ja’el and Jalen Collins. This where your trade down scenario has paid off. You get to draft two of those guys.

        This round is the vein of gold in the rock that must be mined as often as one can. You could rebuild a team if you had three picks in the second round. This is where shipping Cutty pays off, the extra picks in this round, but it’s not happening and it’s time to get behind him now and ride this out.

    • BearDown100393

      Pace seems pretty enthusiastic about his first round pick. The situation with Marshall must really have been beyond breaking point to pull the trigger for that trade and then invest a 1st round pick into his replacement.

      • Scott W.

        I think Pace took the best kid for a big hole he had.

        • BearDown100393

          I agree. Perhaps the overall plan to reconstruct this defense is going to require a bit more time than anyone wants to admit. Hopefully this helps fulfill a need to help the offense average more points per game (not counting garbage time) and keep the Bears competitive in more games this season. I don’t want to imply selling the defense short. But there does seem to be an awful lot of work on that end.

          • Scott W.

            Yep. When I look at the ages of the pickups, along with the kind of plug-and-play approach on D FA’s, it leads me to your conclusion. I think he is taking a brick and mortar approach more geared to the long term and giving them time to build while becoming more competitive, step at a time.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Two more drafts. Said it with Emery. They get three drafts, then you know. If there isn’t a superbowl squad there, then you fail to the degree you deserve, and one team wins it all.

          • Scott W.

            3 drafts might be necessary. A lot will depend on next year’s FA pickups and draft.
            In other words we may get there in 2.

          • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

            I rationalized it in a completely opposite way. Maybe they’re thinking with Fangio and Fox already being a huge upgrade over Tressman and whoever that poser was posing as the Bears D coordinator the last two years, the defense will automatically be about 10 spots higher in the rankings. Plus, they added a few free agents to upgrade our linebackers and safeties. Hence, maybe they’re thinking we can compete right away if we improve key personnel on offense rather than forsaking any offensive progress (which is hard to find in Chicago) and building the D.

            With these coaches and a few minor upgrades every year, our D will be middle of the pack every year at the minimum. And since our O is so close to being explosive already, they’re putting finishing touches on that before selling out for the D.

          • BearDown100393

            That is also quite possible.

  • BearDown100393

    Why the shock? Only a special athlete such as Jameis Winston would post his crabs.

  • willbest

    Landon Collins … Remember when we were drafting him at #7… good times. Meanwhile, only the cheese drafted a safety in the 1st. And it was at #30

  • Irish Sweetness

    I was about to post that dude’s name, just because of his name.

    If you think as a franchise that Randy Gregory will take coaching, he’s in the shout for the BPA along with Ja’el Collins. Gregory has a character issue – although weed is an animal of its own – but Ja’el may have none. He’s answering questions for the authorities. That’s not a criminal offence or a positive test. He’s a black man in America. It can happen. That’s a nasty right tackle.

    • BearDown100393

      Would be the steal of the draft if all checks out well.

    • Waffle

      Greg Gabriel intimated that Randy Gregory has many more issues than weed but he refused to be the one to torpedo the kids career on the radio.

  • FourFeathers

    My opinion is that Pace/Fox select the best available Safety or Offensive Tackle in round 2…unless there is a defensive lineman that they grade out higher than anybody else. But I definitely get the sense the Bears get an OT in round 2 or 3 for sure. Which I like because our offensive line needs a lot of work. Bushrod is nothing and we have a hole at RT. And we have a journeyman at Center.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If they went Ol in 3 and C in 4 I would not cry. Make one side of your team a set of ballers. If it’s the offense, fuckit.

  • Irish Sweetness

    2 thought on watching the vidz :

    1. Watching Perryman I was about to poo-poo his 5’11 and then I remembered Sam Mills. If your heart is big enough, it doesn’t matter how tall you are.

    2. Carl Davis. I want. Like a pass-rushing Suh at NT ? He’s 6’5. His weakness may disappear now he’s not the big fish in the little pond anymore.

    STRENGTHS
    Powerful player. Grows roots against double teams and holds his ground. Noticeable improvement with hands from 2013 to 2014. Shows ability to win with hands and remain disengaged. Fires off the ball with leverage. Strong punch off the snap with power to get arm extension and shed. Uses effective club move as a pass rusher. Has a spin move he’ll use to disengage from contact. Naturally transitions from move to move. Good football IQ with a plan of attack.

    WEAKNESSES
    Plays heavy-legged. Has smaller “radius of impact” than scouts are looking for in a high draft pick. Lacked production as pass rusher over last two seasons. Pursuit can be lazy and uninspired. As he fatigues, play quality falls way off. Rarely wins immediately. An “eventual” player rather than sudden.

    • NewBearInTown

      If that’s my scouting report, I’d be looking for information about strength and conditioning. Is this someone that will develop more endurance in a professional training program, or will his fatigue issues just get worse as he adds weight?
      Assuming there’s a real risk there, he sounds like more of a third round prospect because he could end up the relief guy rather than the starter.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Ratliff will need relief. Ego?

  • Irish Sweetness

    This just in … the FBI have removed an NFL football highlights video from the website Youtube, which featured no Hip-Hop whatsoever and referred to neither the defilement of women nor police murder at any point. This follows a spate of World of Tanks replay videos on the site last week which local section Chief Dan O’ Bastard said “contained no death metal soundtrack, nor any heavy guitar-based rhythms of any kind”.

    • Scott W.

      Speaking of defilement, you ever catch this flick Irish?

      https://youtu.be/P6JsgZU9jHY

      • Irish Sweetness

        Is it the punk version of CB4? Alan Rickman is a tough sell in a role like that. Any good?

        Noticed ‘The Butler’ straight after it – anyone see that?

        • Scott W.

          It’s surprisingly good. Rickman nails it, believe it or not.

  • 505Bears

    Great pick in White. Yes, need help on defense, but this is an offensive league. 2 big mofo’s on the outside with little Royal slotting it up, good times. Now, pick one of these D guys that slipped to round 2 and the Angelo nightmares seem so long ago.

    • Irish Sweetness

      And the Vikes go CB and the Pack go Safety, right behind us …..

      • BillW

        I found that interesting too. Despite (or maybe even because) of Cutler, those two teams realize we have a hell of an offense in the making. We really have no serious weakness – and yes I don’t consider Jay a “serious” weakness. Just an occasional one. Three good to great receivers – a good to great TE (who WILL play hard if he wants that big payday); a great RB; a solid line. They were smart to notice we have weapons and (likely) can’t rely on the predictability that our offense became.

        On defense – yes, it would have been great to get a stud. But let’s think this way – we traded Tucker for Fangio. A hell of a deal.

        • The Packers have owned the Bears for years now and are focusing on beating Seattle, not Chicago. They want to win a SB, they’re not worried about losing to the Bears.

          • BillW

            When (not if) we finally start beating them again, their Super Bowl hopes will be over. Maybe not be next year, I agree, but our receivers will be going against their (less than stellar) defense twice a year.

            I don’t see where drafting a nickel back was done with an eye on beating Seattle.

            If they want to beat Seattle, they need to keep playing football in the fourth quarter. In my opinion.

          • they lost 2 CBs in FA, so they picked one to replace them. Good chance ILB is rd 2 pick. Those are the obvious 2 holes on their roster right now.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Got to win your division first.

          • yep, and they’re not worried about a 5-11 team for that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            That was last season. We’re no 5-11 next year.

          • one way or another, we’re miles from GB, and they’re not basing their 1st round pick on what Chicago did 20 picks before that.

    • Scott W.

      I think the most damage done was by Emery (though the Angelo years were indeed nightmares mostly ) with the Cutler contract. That had one hell of a ripple effect.

      • BillW

        Very much agreed. Emery will never sniff a GM job again.

        • GPLDAN

          He should go be a strength coach at a high school. THat’s his peter principle level

        • Waffle

          Bill, surely you and Scott are not in agreement that 1 contract to our starting QB is worse than 8 yrs of some of the worst drafting in the league resulting in no homegrown talent and that necessitated the purchasing of free agents at a premium that almost never worked out except for 3 or 4 in 8yrs.

          • BillW

            Actually I didn’t read Scott’s comment carefully enough. I read it as the Cutler contract being the worst thing Emery did. Not the worst GMing ever done to the Bears.

            Angelo clearly has that “honor” and I hope he retired the trophy.

          • Scott W.

            No, I’m not in agreement with that at all. I’m old, but Angelo’s bullshit still pings around on my angry neurons. So no, I am NOT suggesting that Emery was The Great Satan in terms of how we got here. I’m suggesting he was a great Devil’s Disciple, to go all biblical on you.

      • Waffle

        Cutler contract worse than 8yrs of shit drafting.

        Dude.

        • Scott W.

          Can’t it just be relative, in context? I wasn’t saying it was by itself the success killer, man.

          • Waffle

            not in this case since you were responding directly to 505 that Cutlers contract….which was signed just last year was worse and had a ripple effect compared to Angelos near decade of shit drafting which caused a catastrophic ripple effect felt over years and years and that resulted in 2 of the worst defensive performances in the history of the Bears and offensive ineptitude recognized throughout the leaugue.
            I still love you though.

          • Scott W.

            Crap. Ok. Next time, I’ll have my blog contract lawyers screen my replies inre Cutler’s contract.

          • Waffle

            lol, see that you do sir.

    • NewBearInTown

      Offensive league? The Seahawks won the Superbowl last year on the strength of one of the best defenses of all time. The Patriots won this year in large part thanks to an interception made by a great depth player on D.
      The Broncos have assembled one of the greatest offenses in history. They’ve scored a ton of points… and been exposed in two consecutive playoffs.

      • willbest

        Broncos problems stem more from Peyton’s playoff jitters.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s not even an argument. Defense wins championships. Always has.

  • BillW

    Quick thoughts –
    I like the idea that Pace tried to trade up. And that he doesn’t care at all what Cutler thinks of it.

    Somewhat surprised though that he seemed to go all in on “Mari-auto” ; could he have moved up a couple spots for Fowler or Williams?

    Draft in Chicago was exciting until the Bears picked. Then it was no big deal. I doubt the league does it here again anytime soon. But putting it LA? Dumb – do they think they will get fans from the east coast to fly out there? Green Bay? Please NO! We hear enough about that city and it’s one and only attraction during the season. Really – and even Packer fans have to agree if they are honest. Who wants to see a bunch of Cheeseheads on TV THREE DAYS STRAIGHT?!?!

    Canton seems like a natural choice. Close to a very large number of NFL cities.

    Today is the day I remind myself that probably less than half of NFL stars were picked in the first round. A lot of talent still to be had.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Uh Chicago is close to a lot of NFL cities plus it is in the Midwest so much easier for anyone on both coasts to fly here for a decent vacation. Prices are much more affordable here as compared to NY and LA too.

      • BillW

        Agreed. And the draft was well attended by out of towners from what I could gather.

        I’m just saying that LA is not a good idea; NY was overdone. and I think that a lot of the Chicago good vibe came from the novelty of it. Not sure we could repeat that year after year. Having it every 3-4 years maybe.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          They should do a rotation to spice it up…give cities that may never host a Super Bowl a chance

    • BearDown100393

      Canton would be a terrific location. Aside from its geography, rather symbolic to host a draft of young players aspiring to one day becoming recognized HOFers.

    • Big Mike

      You ever been to Canton? It’s Hindsdale, without the charm or amenities.

    • willbest

      You don’t trade up unless they are sold on the guy you are trading up for. If Pace wasn’t lying about there being 7 guys he liked, there would be zero reason to trade up.

  • Scott W.

    Because Tennessee ‘just said no’ to everyone in the Mariota chase (and POX made an honest effort to get him), training camp has become something different for Clausen and Fales. They may well lack the talent to take the job from Cutler (and I think they are inferior in their skill set to Jay), but now, they are “it”.
    They have the breathing room to develop to a higher level.
    Their 2015 work could set the stage for how we approach 2016, which barring an amazing improvement, will be the year we part ways with Cutler.
    That is a hellish dynamic for Cutler to face when training camp begins. And it will be fascinating.

    • BillW

      Cutler is as relaxed as he has ever been. He’s set financially better than he probably ever imagined. And he has shown time and again that winning really doesn’t matter to him. I do think it’s health management that makes him detached emotionally (the only times we see him excited was when Webb or Martz was getting him beat up).

      Jay will approach the season very business like. If he gets benched, he will act like he did last year (when people praised how it took it, I wished he would have cared a little. But that ain’t Jay.)

      • BearDown100393

        All he really needs to do is improve ball security. That alone would silence more than a few detractors.

        • GPLDAN

          And not throw picks. Just that one little thing as well.

          • BearDown100393

            Well sure but I think with this new staff and better preparation, that should be a realistic expectation.

          • GPLDAN

            We’ll see. That has not been Cutler’s MO for…oh…. his whole career so far.

          • BearDown100393

            I understand. The vibe lately (whether manufactured, wishful thinking or actual reality) seems to be the restoration of some common sense and order. IMO he can only be better compared to last season.

      • Ummm… what? And he has shown time and again that winning really doesn’t matter to him.”
        Ummm… what?

        • NewBearInTown

          Just let it go J-Wood. Nothing will change anyone’s mind about this except another season.

      • BearDown100393

        He might care about winning. Just not sure if he cares about losing.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Are you Cutler? No? Then seriously drop it…..you sound like an obsessed stalker. Look at the big picture here….the past two regimes mismanaged the offense in terms of how to build around Cutler, badly. He made mistakes but when you have clueless coaches that don’t know how to coach up their players and provide proper adjustments, then that’s what you get, .sucky results

        With Fox on board we have a true professional coaching staff……give it a chance

        • BillW

          Whoah – lighten up Francis.

          Here is what I mean in a lot more words than it deserves. Cutler clearly – with no disrespect meant to him – is not a rah rah in your face team motivator. He has a very even keeled personality. Outwardly at least. And I’ve never read otherwise inwardly.

          He has tremendous respect from his teammates in terms of dedication, preparation etc. Clearly those are vital characteristics in a QB.

          Being a rah rah in your face motivator is far less important.

          All that being said, I never get the idea that Cutler cares too much about losing. And again, that may not be a bad thing. And I do in fact suspect it has something to do with managing his condition – from what I’ve read.

          Now to address JWood – you are right in criticizing my choice of words. Way too harsh. I can’t say that he has shown time and time again he doesn’t care about winning. Very wrong of me to say that.

          I do wish though he would care outwardly more about his bad performances. And I did not like how well he took being demoted. But given how he was thrown under the bus by his OC I’m sure he was either disgusted or bemused by the whole thing.

          As I said in a prior thread – in his recent news conference he seemed to act bemused too when they talked of all the OCs he’s had. As if he was thinking “and you guys think I’M the problem??”

          I wanted him gone for the simple reason that he draws so much bad vibes for no real benefit. This little exchange is yet another example of that.

      • Scott W.

        It’s possible – and I say possible mind you – that for the first time, Jay might feel more secure AND motivated than he has since arriving in Chicago.
        It isn’t entirely out of the realm of possibility that he will strive to play the season of his career in 2015.
        But, we’ll see.

        • BillW

          And how many times has that been said by how many people (including me)? As the old saying goes, if I had a nickle for every time…

          • Scott W.

            I think you should adjust for inflation Bill.

    • NewBearInTown

      See my post below. A lot of QBs still left on the big board.

      • Scott W.

        I like the Baylor kid. He was my second choice after MM (I gave no thought to Winston other than ‘No’), recognizing that the gap between Mariota and Petty is big. Not chasmic, but big.

    • GPLDAN

      Did you see the Doomer’s Trib article today?? Here’s the title:

      “Remember This: Even the Titans didn’t want Jay Cutler”

      He then slams Jay for thee paragraphs. Because if the Doomer loves anything, it’s hatin’

      • BearDown100393

        The headline is true though. The Titans wanted nothing to do with #6. Just like the rest of the NFL including the Bears.

      • Big Mike

        That guy hates everything. He found a way to criticize the Bulls 54 pt victory. nuff said

      • Scott W.

        That trade denial had nothing to do with Cutler. It was all about Mariota, and that Tennessee decided he was their QB.
        So Mr. Doom and Gloom is, as always, full of shit. I swear, I don’t know how he’s not writing obits full time. Suits his skill set.

        • NewBearInTown

          Scott, when you write an obituary, the goal is to say something nice about the deceased, not make fun of him for having cancer.

          • Scott W.

            Yes. But you get to write about death, every day, and get paid for it.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Those articles are so WEAK at this point and time.

        Why not just save space, time and ink and just write

        “Don’t forget to hate Jay Cutler.”

    • Bears are still likely drafting a QB in the next 2-3 rounds, IMO.

      • GPLDAN

        We got Pickle and Fails. We really need a prospect?

        Like Butch said, go fetch Metzenberger from the Titans. They hate him down there.

        • Scott W.

          How do we get him? And is he worth getting? Can we give them Clausen and Fales straight up?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Zach Mettenberger 2014″

            107 of 179 (59.8%) for 1412 yards, 8 TD and 7 INTs. QB Rating 83.

            Playing for a team that most folks (who aren’t Titans Fans) couldn’t name 5 starters for without looking them up.

            Not endorsing Mettenberger, just sayin’.

      • Big Mike

        Another wasted pick. Go sit on the bench with Fales.

        • NewBearInTown

          Actually, taking a QB here (let’s say Hundley) would mirror what happened with Colin Kaepernick. A team with a somewhat underwhelming “franchise” QB drafts elsewhere in the first round and then takes a new prospect at the top of the second round.
          Cutler would start the season and the team wouldn’t have a succession plan in mind for this year. But if Cutler is injured for a game or two, we get to see the new guy in action. If he takes the starter role for himself with his on the field performance, great. If not, we keep grooming him. If he’s terrible? A bust is a bust and we still have Cutler.

          • Big Mike

            I should clarify. If it’s not a guy in the 2nd round, “Go sit on the bench with Fales”. I read @johnathanwood:disqus’s comment to mean next 2-3 as in after the 2nd round.

            If they take a 2nd round QB, the commenters who thought White was a bad pick because we needed defense AND hate everything about Jay Cutler are going to be in something of a paradox, aren’t they.

          • Scott W.

            LOL….yep.

          • I think it comes sometime between rounds 2-4. My bold prediction pre-draft was Garrett Grayson at 39. Still think it might happen.

          • Big Mike

            I’d be in on that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There’s another group. Not a fan of Cutler, but don’t want to draft one. Not this year. Until we’re done with Fales, he’s the guy in development.

          • NewBearInTown

            We’re done with Fales.

          • GPLDAN

            We are?

          • Big Mike

            I have no idea about Fales. I thought he was a stupid pick last year. Ceiling is career backup. We had Clausen for that job. So WTF. Give the kid from NIU a shot and let him run the scout team. He could have done a great impersonation of the mobile QBs that tore us up.

      • Scott W.

        Yeah, NBIT posted a good list. It has me pondering. I like the Baylor kid best. He’d bump Fales out I imagine, though rumor had it Fox is no Clausen fan.

        • I like Grayson the best out of the remaining guys, personally, but no clue what Pace thinks.

    • Big Mike

      Cutler is tough as nails. He’s needed a fire under his butt. I’m saying it makes him better. Clausen needs to push him. Fales, who cares. He was a wasted pick. I’d rather have Tebow as my 3 just for the fun of it all.

      • Scott W.

        I wonder if Fales is still on the roster by Sept. 1. He was always just a 3rd QB to have one, IMO. And I hadn’t thought of Tebow. That would be kinda fun, plus, he actually competes like hell (can I say that?) on the field and training camp.

        • Big Mike

          Tebow was signed by the Eagles.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah I knew that Mike. I was just thinking outloud.

          • Big Mike

            ✔️

      • Scott W.

        Am I remembering it wrong? Didn’t Clausen choke in game 15?

  • NewBearInTown

    My top 7 for the second round, in order:

    1) Eric Kendriks, ILB

    2) Jordan Phillips, NT

    3) Bernardrick McKinney, ILB

    4) Eddie Goldman, NT/LDE

    5) Owa Odighizuwa, OLB/EDGE

    6) Landon Collins, S

    7) Donovan Smith, RT

    There is real temptation to trade up into the top 3 as I am not thrilled with Collins (poor coverage skills, could be another Major Wright), and I would prefer taking a defensive guy to Donovan Smith (though he’s a good value right tackle there).

    However, I suspect a couple of teams will take a wide receiver, running back or O-lineman, so we should get someone we want. Odighizuwa and Goldman are good players, but I wouldn’t move up for them.

    I’d be fine with Perryman as well, but I think we can do better.

    Dark Horse Candidate? Garrett Grayson or Brett Hundley. One or both will go in the second round, but I doubt either is drafted before us. If Pace sees a good prospect, this is a great spot to grab him. If my top 3-4 were all gone, I wouldn’t be upset at this move at all.

    • Big Mike

      This is actually more fun than round 1, because of the predictability level and the chance to grab 1st round talent in the 2nd round. Also very interesting drafting so early in the round. I don’t know how the Bears pass on Collins or Kendricks if they are there. Those guys were almost always evaluated as being 1st round and even high first rd talent.

      Let’s hope for a run on the offensive side of the ball.

      • Irish Sweetness

        This is where I’m leaning now. Draft Ja’el Collins in 2, grab Yeldon in 3, maybe a g/c in 4. Roll with what we have on defense this season, then get it right in the draft next year.

        • Big Mike

          I haven’t had a chance to look at the RD 2 scenarios yet. (stupid work)…

    • Scott W.

      How did Petty drop? He was proj. Low first, high second recently.
      ??

      • NewBearInTown

        Nobody else wanted to spend a first rounder on a QB.

        • Scott W.

          I get that. So we draft Petty or one of the others. His arrival launches Fales into space, and that’s our 3 then. I think the question is, then, is there an upgrade to Fales – MAYBE even Clausen – waiting to be picked? If so, do we? With Pace saying he likes to draft a QB every draft, that seems likely, I suppose. Just depends on how important it is to him to replace one of the other two.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I think Kendricks would be a NICE get in the 2nd therefore, I don’t expect him to be there.

  • Big Mike

    Jeff, working like a beast. Atta boy

  • Irish Sweetness

    Man, the Jets.

    From NFL.COM:

    “Think about the Jets’ defensive line right now, with Williams joining established stars Sheldon Richardson and Muhammad Wilkerson. Then factor in the revamped defensive backfield, with Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie coming back to New York. The Jets could have the best defense in the NFL this year under new head coach Todd Bowles.”

    The Marshall-Cutty rift is probably the only reason they’re not both hooked up in New York. That was probably their dream destination together.

  • Scott W.

    Here’s a comparison piece on Grayson, Petty, Cardin, and Hundley…

    http://draftbreakdown.com/grayson-ahead-of-hundley-petty-as-next-qb-off-the-board/

  • BillW

    “Hey Bears. Make move to top of the second round. Go get Randy Gregory. Risk is what? If he’s bad, cut him…”

    and Pace has wasted his second round pick plus whatever else he had to give up.

    I’m sure the fans will understand.

    Seriously?

    • willbest

      Yeah I don’t understand moving up unless you are convinced you have a chance to nab somebody like Alshon Jeffery. Somebody who is at least a serviceable #2 with #1 upside.

      If the gamble is between, elite talent, and Josh Gordon flameout. You best not be spending more than 1 pick on the guy.

  • NewBearInTown

    One thought on the “we must get defense” point.
    The strength of this team is the offense. We can sign offensive players to complete that unit if, for example, we go QB, RT, RB, TE, RB with our remaining picks. It doesn’t help the D, but it does make a strength stronger. And we all know the offense has room to get stronger.
    Meanwhile, I’m not sure Fangio has a clear picture of what he wants. I’m sure he has thoughts, I’m sure there are players on the roster and in the draft that he likes more than others. But he just had his first practice with the current roster. He’s never seen them in pads. He has no idea if Ego and Sutton will play well in his system. He has no idea if any of our 28 linebackers is even worth a roster spot. He knows he wants the front 7 to get better, but he might not be sure where he wants to commit resources as of yet.
    That doesn’t mean we wouldn’t draft defensive players. But if Fangio is taking a “wait and see” approach, there might not be as much urgency to remake the defensive roster as the pundits think. If that’s the case, we could see the team wait until next year for their big draft push on defense. If the draft breaks a certain way, we could go offense heavy and not feel like we wasted a single pick.

    • willbest

      They need a safety and a corner regardless of what Fangio wants to do with the mess they in the front 7.

      I don’t necessarily agree that offense is our strength though. We have an old RB with a lot of miles, and have no idea whats behind him should his luck turn. Yeah we have a basketball team for a receiving core, but White is a rookie with limited route running experience and Bennett is disgruntled. Our tackles and Center are suspect, and our QB for all his athletic ability is easily confused by defenses.

      • do they really need a CB? I can see that with an eye towards the future, but for 2015 they don’t. They have 3 guys with quality starting experience and some young bucks with potential behind them.

        • FourFeathers

          Tim Jennings is very far from reliable at this point. Depth at the position is also not very good…we have a lot of street guys. We definitely need help at CB. Pace might not be able to address it in Year 1 of the rebuild however given the multitude of other needs.

          • It’s so hard to judge guys based on last year because the coaching was SO bad. Jennings and Ball are both guys. They’re competent. Hurst and Louis-Jean both have promise as reserves. Fuller seems to be a star in the making.
            Like with many positions, they could use an upgrade, but it’s not one they HAVE to have. Could opt to wait and see what you have in Hurst, Louis-Jean, and Mitchell while getting by this year. Likely comes down to if they ever feel a CB is the best player left when they pick.

          • willbest

            Jennings was a big part in why the D-line had less than 2.1 seconds to sack the QB. Allen would have had 4-5 more sacks if the QB was forced to hold onto the ball for 1/4th of a second more.

          • I feel like that was scheme more than anything. And to me Jennings looked like he just wasn’t trying last year. Which is horrible, but you can say the same thing about a lot of other guys too.

    • Irish Sweetness

      A NT would not be a wasted pick in 2.

  • A modest proposal.
    Bears trade Cutler to the Jets for their 2nd and DE/DT Wilkerson.

    It’s no secret they’re looking for a QB upgrade. They don’t want to extend Wilkerson who was rated the #3 top dog at his position and only 27 (they drafted Williams to boot).

    “The Jets may look to shop RE Muhammad Wilkerson, according to Rich Cimini of ESPN New York.
    New York drafted USC’s Leonard Williams with the sixth pick, which could make Wilkerson expendable. Pro Football Focus’ No. 3 3-4 defensive end last season, Wilkerson is a 6’4″, 315-pound behemoth who dominates against the run. There will be an enormous market for Wilkerson if the Jets make him available. ”

    With that extra 2nd take QB Bryce Petty (or wherever he may go. Not sure where, truthfully. Might even fall to top of 3rd).

    Have Bryce compete with Clausen, Fales. He’ll likely not start right away. Go to the season with Clausen starting, and Byce and Fales back up.

    If we suck, who cares? As long as we compete, it’ll only mean a higher draft pick next season, and a more ready Bryce and Fales.

    • Bookending Wilkerson with McDonald would be a HUGE upgrade to the Dline.

      Ifwe pick-up a NT in the 2nd, perhaps Goldman or Phillips, Our Dline would go from a position of weakness to strength right away, and keep stay true to the proven philo of building through the trenches.

      • I don’t get calling DL a position of weakness. It was certainly not last year, and they have some good players there.

        • FourFeathers

          Ratliff is old and oft injured, Sutton is an ill fit for a 3-4, Houston is coming off a major injury, Allen is an ill fit for a 3-4 and Young is likely to start the year on the PUP list.

          • I’m considering Allen and Young LBs. McDonald and Ratliff are very good players, Jenkins is an ok rotational run stuffer, McPhee and Houston will play some DL in sub packages, and the young trio of Ferguson, Sutton, and Washington has potential.
            SF typically only averaged 2.5 DL per snap the last few years under Fangio. Bears have enough for that. I mean, they could definitely upgrade the talent and/or depth, but it’s not a pressing immediate weakness IMO.

          • FourFeathers

            I hear you, but I doubt Sutton has a future in Chicago because he isn’t going to fit the player need of a Fangio 3-4. And Washington is probably a longshot to even make the roster…let’s face it, he was Emery’s pet project and hasn’t shown a whole lot of anything. Ratliff is quality, but Ratliff is also old and with a pattern of spending a lot of time out hurt.

          • I’m not sure what to think about Washington. Wonder if he might be better than people think. Also Sutton is similar physically to GB DE Mike Daniels. Might stick.
            Enough young talent you can afford to take a wait and see approach with those guys. But not enough that you say “I’m not drafting this position,” it’s just that you don’t HAVE to unless you feel there’s a good value pick there.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What about BPA? If BPA is Goldman/Phillips …?

          • it’s entirely possible. There’s not really a single position on the roster outside of OG and now maybe WR where I would say you couldn’t use better talent/depth.

      • FourFeathers

        Wilkerson would surely cost at least a first round pick next year. At least.

    • Wilkerson is 25. And I doubt the Jets would do a Cutler/Wilkerson swap, much less throw in a 2nd round pick to boot.

      • That’s pretty depressing. Can’t even fetch a 5-tech for Cutty from the JETS who have needed a franchise QB since Namath retired.

        • FourFeathers

          Cutler is the furthest thing from a franchise QB. He’s a 32 year old ten year veteran with a dubious track record.

        • a 32 year old QB for a 25 year old Pro Bowler? Not a chance IMO

    • FourFeathers

      There is no market for Cutler. None, nada, zero. He’ll play out the year in Chicago, then be cut next winter when the cap hit won’t be terrible.

    • Irish Sweetness

      No way Cutty wants NY if the bromance is gone sour.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Wilkerson is looking for big money.

  • Also, to refrain, STAY AWAY FROM GREGORY.
    If you want a LB on skates, watch Shea.

    • Shady

      Not really a fair comparison, Chicken Dinner never had that kind of production in college and was never projected to go top 5. Getting Gregory in the 2nd would be a steal IMO it’s just a matter of whether if not POX still has him on their board.

  • Here’s some scouts on the Puke pick.

    http://m.jsonline.com/sports/packers/what-scouts-are-saying-about-the-packers-pick-b99491782z1-302087691.html

    AFC scout: “He’s a corner. He can’t play safety because he doesn’t tackle that well. Good athlete. He played safety for them just because they had a need there. He is not a big person. He’s not a good tackler. He doesn’t break down; he just dives at people. He worked out as a corner and he’s quick. Fifth rounder. He covered the slot there. He backpedaled easy. Good change of direction. He does have good ball skills. Even though he weighed 194 he is a small-framed person. Small waist. Little bowlegged.”

  • McKinney is 6’4 246 with 33inch arms and a 40in vertical.
    Good luck throwing over that.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/benardrick-mckinney?id=2552490

  • FourFeathers

    I think the Bears take OT or S with the 39th pick. Shapes up that way and there will be defensive line help available in the 3rd and 4th round.

  • Surprise, I would actually like to trade down in the 2nd. Lots of guys will still be there a few picks later, and adding an extra 3rd would be awesome.

    • depends on who’s there. If one of Kendricks, Collins, or Fisher is there, I’m not moving. Those are 3 1st-round talents at positions of need.
      If they’re all gone, I would happily move down 10-15 picks, as there is a big group of similar guys after that IMO.

      • Many see Kendricks as SOLELY a 4-3 WILL due to his size, Data.
        That’s why he wasn’t the first ILB drafted (Stephone a dude with size), and that’s probably why he won’t be the the first ILB drafted even in the 2nd.

        • you may be right. I think he’d thrive as a Jack, which is the 3-4 equivalent of the 4-3 Will. They need a good coverage LB there, and Kendricks would be great IMO.

      • FourFeathers

        What we think of as “first round talents” doesn’t always align with what NFL front office and coaching staffs think is “first round talents.” My primary takeaway from yesterday was that this year’s draft was a VERY weak first round class of players. 2/3rds of this year’s first round picks would not be first round picks in other years is something I heard Mike Mayock say early today.

        The value will be found in the middle rounds. The Bears need to take the BPA approach as we have a ton of needs and are rebuilding. SO look at S, CB, DL and most of all, in my opinion, OT.

        • yep, I’m with you there. And IMO those are the 3 BPA, and also all happen to fit Chicago areas of need.

    • FourFeathers

      Need somebody to trade down with and listening to the commentators today there isn’t much action of teams who want to trade up right now.

  • Scott W.

    Well, here I am again, resetting. Dusting off my “Cutler is our QB” plaque, rehanging it on the wall. Because I’m a Bears fan. He’s a Bear. He is the choice that was made, although I think Emery made the choice for POX with that damnable contract.

    In fairness, I have to post that this might be Cutler’s best year in Chicago coming up. The problem I have when I type that is last season. All the pieces were supposed to be in place for a hell of an offense. And we got….whatever that mess was, for reasons I just don’t get, other than to blame Trestman. So with that in mind, it may also be his last season in a Bears uniform. All the potential, the money, the personnel nearly wasted.

    So we begin today with Cutler, Clausen, and Fales. Does POX draft a replacement for one of the latter two? Who do I start following in college this season at QB to evaluate who would best replace Cutler? So far, just a bunch of “Maybes” in that category, no one people are looking forward to that I’ve heard about.

    Regardless of who we pick up in rounds 2-5, our team seems destined for middle-of-the-road quality in 2015. So it falls to Fox and Cutler to make that not so.

    Again, coaching change, and Cutler hopes. 2015. The next chapter in the same book I’ve been reading for 6 years.

    • I’m not hoping anything on Cutler anymore, Scott.

      He’ll get his 4,000 yds, 25 TDs to go along with 14INTs, 4Fumbles and 6-8 wins.

      • FourFeathers

        6 to 7 wins is my expectation for next season. What Cutler does really doesn’t matter to be blunt, because he is as good as gone after next season when the Bears can cut him and not feel the cap pain so badly. There is 95% chance the Bears have a new starting QB in 2016….maybe the “future” of the position, or maybe just a “fill-in” type.

        • Johnnywad

          It is utterly impossible to know whether Cutler is gone or not for 2016. The next guy isn’t currently on the roster. So you would have to assume that once again, the just dump him with no replacement in place. Its possible, but unlikely. Perhaps they’ll take a quarterback tonight. Who knows?

      • Scott W.

        So I guess the idea of making plaques to sell saying “Cutler is Our QB” with the Bears logo below is probably a poor retirement move, then…

    • Johnnywad

      Cardale Jones

  • Bender (Call Saul) McLugh

    If a trade-down is indeed in the cards, Ravens may jump on it with us. I agree with JWood though that if Saftey Collins, McKinney or another beast that was originally projected in the first is still available Bears should stand pat.

    “the Ravens have the No. 58 overall pick. Minnesota’s Maxx Williams,
    the consensus top tight end in the draft, is still available, and owner
    Steve Bisciotti speculated earlier this offseason that the Ravens might
    be willing to trade up for him if he’s still there in the middle of the
    second round. “

    • There’s a few “targets” teams might trade up for.
      TE Williams is one.
      QB Grayson/ Petty might be another (esp for the Bills).
      WR Jalon Strong was considered a 1st and a notch above the rest.
      WR Beckham is another guy some teams might be enamored with (possibly getting Megatron in the 2nd will be to hard to pass up for some WR starved team).
      Also, if a run on RBs unfolds like I predict, some team will get an itchy trigger finger and trade up before all the top ones are gone.

      • NewBearInTown

        Yeah, I think the best thing that could happen to the Bears would be a run on wide receivers that allows us to grab a third day pick to allow another team to get their preferred WR. We’ve already gotten our guy, so we don’t need to be in that fight.
        But if any of the following are there, I don’t trade back:

        1) Eric Kendriks, ILB

        2) Jordan Phillips, NT

        3) Bernardrick McKinney, ILB

        • Yeah, it’s hard to tell where the “run” will begin. Usually one team sparks the avalanche. If it is on WR and possible OL, then guys like McKinney, Kendricks might fall, but that’s a calculated risk.

          That extra 3rd-4rth would be nice, though.

          We need an ILB, S, OLinemen, DT and IMO, a HB and maybe a TE and FB.

          • NewBearInTown

            If you use Paea and Jeffery as examples, we would likely get a fifth rounder to allow someone to move up 5-10 spots in the second round. Whether that’s adequate compensation is hard to say without knowing who’s left on the board.

        • FourFeathers

          I like the OT options that are likely there at 39. Bears desperately need to upgrade at RT, and Bushrod is strictly average at best at LT.

  • Scott W.

    Gotta read and sort the comments now to figure out who I’m rooting for in the 2nd and 3rd rounds….anyone got a decent quick summary they can direct me to or post? My bifocals are dusty.

  • NewBearInTown

    Its not clear exactly what’s going on with Randy Gregory, but it sounds like he has a little more than a pot issue. Reporters are being respectful (which is refreshing), but there appears to be some kind of serious mental health issue there whether depression, anxiety, whatever.
    If that’s the case, the audience will have no idea what kind of a grade teams have because the work involved in dealing with those issues can be tremendous. It could be that Tampa takes him tonight and we never hear another word about it. It could be he falls completely out of the draft. There’s just way too much unknown there to have an opinion.

    • GPLDAN
      • Big Mike

        Got to trust POX. Take him, don’t, but the team needs to be in a position to deal with it. In my book, if I’m the Bears GM, I pass.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Males with mental health issues such as depression and bi-polar disorder are especially NOTORIOUS for “self-medicating” via booze & pot.

      • not just males. people in general.

        • AlbertInTucson

          But especially the male of the species. “I don’t NEED a doctor/medicine.”

      • Johnnywad

        People have dealt with anxiety/depression forever with alcohol and assorted drugs. I’m convinced most alcoholics, particularly those getting their start right up until about the late ’80’s, are people dealing with problems they don’t understand. Seems like we’re slowly getting a better grasp on mental wellness.

    • willbest

      Heavy pot usage has a correlation with schizophrenia which shows up among men in the late teens to early 20s. Not saying that its what is going on with him, but I did have a close friend who suffered it and was essentially using pot as a means of self medication. There is no good solution for schizophrenia that I have seen. The right meds seem to have substantial side effects and leave people not like themselves.

  • GPLDAN

    Because when you are across the Bay from the Raiders, you want to go with the all black look:

    http://deadspin.com/49ers-unveil-black-uniforms-that-have-no-reason-to-exis-1701529683

    More evidence that Jed York is a fucking dipshit.

    Look at his face: http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/content/Image/12-29-2008/Jed-York.jpg

    You WANT to punch it. It would be hard to meet him and NOT take a swing at him.

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      Just what I needed. One more reason to hate the 49ers.

    • Big Mike

      I hate his face. A punk.

    • BearDown100393

      I hope Jed York lasts forever in charge of the 49ers.

  • BillW

    As others have said, rounds 2 and 3 may tell us more about Pace then round 1. I’m excited to see what tonight brings. In a few years, we may look at this night as when the Bears really turned the corner.

    (And by the way – I am imposing a moratorium on Cutler comments on myself. Unlike Jeff, I will adhere to it. After I hit “post as BillW” these are the last keystrokes regarding him ever. I’m sick of talking about him – never have I seen such a mediocre player cause so much animosity among fans. He simply ain’t’ worth it.)

    Bears finished 30 in defense last year. I conservatively say they are no worth than 25 with the very same players – just replacing Tucker with Fangio. Therefore I predict them to be no worse than 16 with him and a new crop of players. That’s my excitement for 2015. At least a 14 place jump on defense in one year.

    • Big Mike

      Round 1 told us he’s secure with himself. He tried to make moves, Didn’t worry about pissing off Cutler. Probably had the backing of the coaching staff who have big enough balls to say “Don’t worry about Cutler’s feelings, we got this” as compared to the sniveling turd accountant Trestman. The moves didn’t work out, he went back to his Board and took the best guy. Didn’t worry about O vs D. Just took the best guy.

      • willbest

        Did Pace really confirm that? What he said was he talked to lots of people about lots of trades, and said something along the lines that he knew there was a lot of that but didn’t realize how much of that went on until he got the big boy chair.
        Anyway, you knew he was sure of himself when he dumped Marshall to move 70 spots.

        • Big Mike

          In my view, the pick confirms what we had started to sense. Dumping Marshall, yeah that was the first big indicator. Very happy with day 1.

          • BillW

            I guess we’ll never know the true reason he was dumped. Bernsie was so sure that would happen that it seemed his source was in the family. And if the family was the reason, well…

            But I don’t believe the family was the deciding factor. I believe Pace was – and he happened to agree with the family. Or figured at worst Marshall wasn’t worth a conflict with the family so early. Save that battle for later. (And maybe that “battle” was McDonald?)

            Anyway – Marshall dumped. Replacement found. Now on to the defense…

          • BearDown100393

            Don’t ever take sides against the family.

        • Scott W.

          Pace will likely never confirm that Jay was up for grabs. Too divisive a move.

      • FourFeathers

        Yep. Agree completely.

      • BearDown100393

        Agreed. Points also for not making a move just to prove he could.

  • Big Mike

    CBS has 5 offensive guys coming off the board in rd 2, before the Bears. The one defensive guy is Randy Gregory. The one QB is Hundley.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25169755/nfl-draft-titans-address-wr-in-second-round-mock-draft

    • Yeldon at 36? Noooooo.
      I was hoping other HBs would go first and we can scoop him up in the 4rth.

      Guess we can ride with my great white hope, HB Zenner…

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    Landon Collins Please.

  • Big Mike

    Damn, Kevin White is swole and he has a hot girlfriend.
    http://sportsmockery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/7.png

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Was the results of the number of years someone being a Bears fan poll finished and published?

    • Big Mike

      I don’t believe so

    • Scott W.

      Sorry for the delay. I’m waiting on 2 more callbacks before the whole thing is released. It’s soooooooo close, but I need those 2 people. They have sworn they will call me Monday a.m., after they have reviewed my prelims.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        It’s cool

    • Scott W.

      Trying not to say anything right now, so it can stand on its own two feet for everyone.

  • BillW

    “I’ll be talking Bears, draft & complexity of the human condition..”

    Expound, Jeff?

  • Hub brought up Coleman who’s a home-run type of HB and arguably on the same tier as Gurley and Gordon.
    POX replaced Bmarsh, will they look to replace Forte? (Or Bennett with Max Williams for that matter)?

    • Hub also said it’s a possibility McKinney might be there at #71 as unfathomable as that might be (NFL needs at other positions). Hub agrees with me though that he is a late 1st rd value.

      That would be awesome, but rather risky to let him slide.

  • La’el Collins had said he won’t sign a contract if drafted in the 4rth and beyond. Would rather re-enter the 2016 draft.
    So.
    1. He goes undrafted and becomes a UFDA in which he can ask for any amount of $$
    2. A team must gamble to draft a prego muderer in the 2nd-3rd
    3. He gets drafted beyond the 3rd, doesn’t sign, re-enters next draft in which case the team wastes a draft pick.

    • Doc Hamstring

      He can’t do that. Whatever team drafts him retains his rights.

      The system is set up to specifically stop a player from taking a second bite if they drop for whatever reason.

  • Shady

    Niew tread.

    • Big Mike

      gdoo lgda ot wnko ti

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