• MikeBrownhadaPosse

    If we go WR in the first round, I will be stunned. Everything else is a reasonable need, even if I think both QBs have massive bust potential.

    • willbest

      You never pass up the opportunity for a franchise player at one of the most important skill positions.

      • Trac

        Watch me.

        • Scott W.

          LMAO

          • Trac

            Hahaha. I was feeling salty this morning Scott.

    • Scott W.

      Yeah, WR doesn’t make much sense, though WV’S White would be a helluva “catch”. I’d be a little disappointed, but not crushed if we took him at 7th.
      And if Mariota is there? Yes.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    I voted QB but Secondary would be my very close next vote. I just don’t have any confidence in Cutler at all.

    • you voted QB, but do you want Mariota if he’s the one who’s there?

      • Scott W.

        Yes. And I would let Winston fly on past if he was there at 7.

        • i guess i’m just not sold on mariota. just because you’re one of the best 2-best QBs in a draft doesn’t mean you deserve to be a top-10 pick.

          • Scott W.

            I see him as an Aaron Rodgers type, needs a few years under someome before taking over, but I think he’ll be a long term franchise guy once he gets it.

  • The draft value says: elite qb, elite pass rusher, elite LT, elite CB. In top 8.

    If we end up w any of these, I’ll be thrilled.

    Safeties, ILBs, NTs, and everything else tend to drop out of top 8 unless viewed as “generational” talent.

    • To further elaborate.

      Butch’s skinny.

      No Berry/Earl Thomas at S (by most consensus). So we can almost scratch that off @ #7, esp when you consider Collins projects to SS.

      No Willis/Keucly prospects at ILB, unless you consider Ray or Beasly ILB/Rushers, but the “truer” ILBs like Kendricks, Perryman, are projected late 1st-3rd.

      Only NT even worth considering is Shelton, but he didn’t exactly blow it up at the combine, and questions remain about his stamina. Also, it seems like a relatively deep NT class, as odd as that may sound. Keep in mind, Dontari Poe DID blow up the combine, and got drafted outside the top 10.

      OT and WR are interesting.

      No Joe Thomas type prospects at LT, but some might take a chance on guys like Clemmings, Peat or Collins. Most likely the Foreskins, but it’s a gamble.

      Scherff will not go top 10 IMO. As a matter of fact, I expect him to fall to the 20s where RT/OGs (that’s what most project Scherff as) are typically drafted.

      WR in top 10 always scares me a bit, but Amari Cooper seems a pretty safe bet. Insane production, character AND combine. He might be the “safest” guy at the top.

      White is the “high upside” guy. Bigger, faster, stronger, but not as polished.

      CB is much like OT this year. No “lock down” blue chipper, but some team might gamble on Wayne (who has the talent, but comes with character concern) or Peters or Collins. Again, this team might be the Foreskins since they’re desperate both at Oline and Secondary.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Is IMPACT PLAYER a fair write-in?

  • John Doe

    Bears are doing to their due diligence on both top WR who may be available to them at #7. Amari Cooper was recruited and coached by Bears WR Coach Mike Groh when Groh was a recruiter and WR Coach at Alabama. So Groh knows all he needs to know about Cooper.

    And on Friday, Groh ran Kevin White’s pro day at West Viriginia. So he has seen him up close as well.

    Adam Jahns @adamjahns · 11h11 hours ago
    #Bears WR coach Mike Groh ran West Virginia WR Kevin White through drills at his pro day: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000479065/article/kevin-white-puts-on-outstanding-show-in-proday-workout

    • Irish Sweetness

      If we really wanted a speedster there was that guy who ran a 4.25. He might go as a low 2nd or 3rd rounder. And why do we go WR if Scherff is still there? We’ve got this year and next to find another solid receiver, we don’t need to blow this draft doing it.

      Let’s build a great defense. That starts in round 1. and trading down gives you a real chance of drafting two ILBs like Kendricks and Perryman. Combine them with Nanny, and see if Fatty Knighton wants to play ball with us. You might snag a decent corner with the other second rounder and then we’re at the races. OL or HB in the 3rd, then hit the homer on the Center position in the 4th. Then we have two 5ths to take flyers on. Get your project receiver in the 6th.

  • willbest

    I voted WR, because I think that will be BPA at 7 but if Mariota is there you almost have to take him. I would not be upset with an OT or CB. At least 3 pass rushers will be gone, so I suspect they won’t be BPA.

    I think #7 is way too much to pay for an ILB, Safety, Nose unless you are convinced they are the next Luke Kuechly or Earl Thomas. Go find those guys in round 2 or 3

    • GPLDAN

      but if Mariota is there you almost have to take him.

      No, you don’t. You really really don’t.

  • Sactowns#1

    Why is quality LB not on the list? Heck I would even trade down to take Melvin Gordon over a WR or QB.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Voted pass-rush.
      Yeah, and BPA should be on the list. Maybe because no ILB is rated as high as 7? Trading down should be on the list too. I’d rather trade down and get us an extra second round pick. Hoping Williams ‘immaturity’ causes him to slip to 7 – but if that immaturity is related to drugs/guns/gangs, then no. Trading down means we could even be in with a shout of drafting a Melvin Gordon or Tevin Coleman. If Fox is intent on running Matt into the ground then we’ll need another horse. Then you can go with two player from OLB/DE/NT in the second round. Maybe if Kevin White is there at 7, somebody will trade with us for the right to draft him. I’m feeling Cleveland or New England.

      No to a QB. Rather see us build a team first and then see what happens. We’re in no rush to win games, and Cutty isn’t the ideal mentor anyway. Fitzy would have been good at that.

      And please, for the love of the 8lb baby Jebus .. .can we please, please draft a center at some point, but give Satele a 2 year contract at the same time. If he gets injured, slot in the rook, and let Garza ride the pine as backup guard.

    • beninnorcal

      Pass-rusher(3-4 olb)

      • Sactowns#1

        Yeah so what about he MLB?

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          There aren’t any that are worth the #7 pick.

          • As odd as this may sound, Shayne Ray and Beasly might be ILBs.

            Ray’s “undersized” for a rusher, but at 6’3 245, that’s prototypical ILB (about Keuckly and Lach size). He’s also quick twitch, and explosive. He’s also one mean MOFO, which is good to have in the middle.

            So if the Bears project Ray as more of an ILB and not just a situational undersized rusher, I could see that.

            Beasley is sorta the same. 6’3 245 (though he put on 10 pounds for the scouts), lacking in length (like Ray), but could theoretically man the middle.

            However, he’s not as mean as Ray, but might be more athletic.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            We’ll see. I’m not comfortable taking a guy who’s biggest threat is rushing the passer and stripping some of that away. That’s like acquiring Darrelle Revis and making him play safety. He could do it well, but his strength is being a man cover corner.

          • Yeah, I hear you. But Ray especially has all the tools of a great ILB. he’s an alpha-dog, relentless, passionate, energetic and a HAMMER.

            I don’t know if he has the brain to diagnosis offenses, or that ILB instinct, but he looks the part otherwise.

  • BillW

    Assuming both top QBs are gone, the Bears are in line to get one of the top 5 non-QB players in the draft.

    OK, that had a little too much “Captain Obvious” in it. But what I mean is – this should be a Pro-Bowl type player and All-Pro candidate within a couple years, no matter who they pick. This is a very critical test for Mr. Pace. I trust him to do the right thing, but in one way I hope he doesn’t’ trade down. I want to see if he can choose wisely at such a high position.

  • MIBearFan

    At #7, you grab BPA. If it’s Kevin White, you snag him.

    • Scott W.

      White is extra special, but he’s still a WR…

      • Irish Sweetness

        This is why we might trade down. It’s the defense that needs a rebuild. You start drafting WRs the QB can’t it anyway … we need more picks, even though we lost Brandon, and I do feel we lost him. I think that fact that Cutty stayed is a big reason they moved Brandon.
        Remember, we didn’t get an extra pick for Brandon, we just swapped our 7th for their 5th. I get that the felt they couldn’t have him in the locker room – though I would accomodate him, but what a terrible deal.

        • willbest

          It is a trade off you know. More picks means more chances to find talent, but by trading back and getting more picks, you are giving other teams first crack at finding elite talent.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But if Pace is as hot as they say, then he’ll get us two top players, while, for example, somebody drafts a bust in Winston at 7. The talent doesn’t get drafted in order. Give them first crack at drafting the bust.

            Question: How much is a receiver useful to us anyway? Do we not want the defense that will win the championship?I’ll take the two top ILBs over White, no matter how good he might be.

          • willbest

            An elite receiver is invaluable to you, as are all other elite players. And it is better to have 1 elite player and 1 competent player than 2 really good players.

            Oh and Pace isn’t as hot as they say. No GM is. They all have busts. And to compound the problem with Pace, he mainly worked the pro side. So I don’t expect the 2015 Bears draft class to be all that special. I do expect him to get great value with Rolle, Royal, and McPhee though.

        • Scott W.

          Agreed on all things Marshall. I think we will miss him a lot.
          That said, being left with Cutler and Clausen isn’t super encouraging long term.

          • GPLDAN

            We won’t miss him.

  • beninnorcal

    I voted pass-rusher(LB), but ‘trade down’ should’ve been an option. Nobody here can be too mad if they do that seeing as how many bodies they need.

    • Big Mike

      Most scouting reports show that the back half of the first round has a considerable drop off in talent.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I’m not. I want them to pick the 7th pick and draft a difference maker. I also don’t think there’s an excessive need for ‘extra bodies’.

      • beninnorcal

        That sounds good to me too but who are these difference makers? I’m not hearing as huge a buzz surrounding this draft when compared to previous ones regarding first rounders is all. And we absolutely do need more bodies, not a doubt about that.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I’m the last guy to ask. Some days ago I thought Vic Beasley is in fact Vincent Rey.

          The response is ‘whomever the Bears think it’s going to become a difference maker.

  • beninnorcal

    If Mariotta is there at #7, we see what Chip wants to give us for him.

  • willbest

    Why do people act like “just trade” back is an easy enough option
    1) Pace needs to have value at his new draft positions. Trading 7 to the Eagles for 20, 3rd and next year’s first or whatever it works out to be is only worthwhile if you got a lot of guys on your draft board with late 3rd round early 4th round grades. And in the worst case scenario it gets to 20 and Pace doesn’t have anybody left with 1st round grades.

    2) The person he trades with has to want a particular player they could get at 7 bad enough to part with later round picks.

    And then you have to make these deals in a matter of minutes.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Somebody will want Kevin Smith badly, if he’s there. Winston falls to 7 for example, and do we want to draft him? Nope. Somebody else will though. It’s great value to trade down, we get two for one.

    • beninnorcal

      Anything is an option. I never said it was an easy option, just saying it could make more sense to get more picks is all. I’m actually disappointed when they do it but I was saying that it would make more sense now with all our holes.
      I haven’t heard so much buzz about this years potential first rounders outside of the 2 qb’s, this draft just seems kinda eh..

    • John Doe

      Teams typically have premilinary discussion before draft. The rough parameters are already agreed to and then the final deal is worked out if things fall the way both the trading partners want.

  • GPLDAN

    This gang here is going to advocate taking Kevin White over Danny Shelton?

    http://memetogo.com/media/created/k93gqj.jpg

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      I like Shelton because he offers a pass rush from that 0 tech, he’s not just a fat boy to plug the run, which is what a lot of the later round NT’s end up being. Ratliff is on the last year of his deal and hasn’t played a 16 game season in some time.

      • GPLDAN

        We go:

        Houston-Shelton-Ratliff on opening day. 2nd string has Ego take reps from Shelton and Sutton can move in for Ratliff at RDT,

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’d take the fat bastard over White. No first year receiver is changing the game with Cutty throwing scud missiles.

  • GPLDAN

    Bushrod-Slauson-Wiz-Long-Ola with Bennett at TE? How does the 2nd round look for tackles?

    #BringBackOmiyale

    • John Doe

      We have options at RT. Charles Leno may take that second year jump and surprise us. And I hope Pace gets Anthony Collins, the LT Lovie cut last week, on a cheap deal. He can be a backup swing tackle or starting RT. Let Mills, Leno, and Collins fight it out for starting RT job.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Our only option should be Kyle. It would be so much easier to find a RG from the remaining detritus.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/cedric-ogbuehi?id=2552355

      This guy, although, we’d have to redshirt him for a year while he recovers, I’d try to trade up to #32 with the Pats. Keeps him in the first round and gives us an extra year of control.

  • John Doe

    Lamarr Houston’s recovery from ACL surgery looks phenomenal. Amazed he is already doing this much. Check out these videos:

    1) https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=343848932471227&set=vb.232425136946941&type=2&theater
    2) https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=338421759680611&set=vb.232425136946941&type=2&theater

    • Sactowns#1

      That’s not the type of movement you’re worried about with an knee injury, it’s the lateral movement. Show me a video of him playing tennis and I’ll be more optimistic. That being said ACL/MCL surgeries have come a long way since they started using cadaverous ligaments.

      • Scharfinator

        Agreed. Lateral, deep cuts, big direction changes are where those ligaments really get tested. Knew a guy in college who suspected he tore his ACL but hadn’t gotten it checked. He planted to throw a frisbee and torqued his hip to get it moving… turns out his acl was busted and he just collapsed on the ground because it wasn’t there to hold him.

        He went to the doctor shortly thereafter.

      • Does Houston have an MC Hammer celebration dance?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Ew.

  • FourFeathers

    I think Mariota is going to drop like a rock. And I do not see the Bears selecting him at #7, nor some team seeking to trade up with us in order to take Mariota on their own, nor do I see him landing in Philadelphia.
    I think the Bears select the best available defensive player at #7. Regardless position. I do not see them talking White or Cooper, no matter how tantalizing. But I would not discount the Bears picking Scherff if they think he can become a bookend 10 year starter at RT.

    • John Doe

      Pick the best player available at #7. If that player happens to be Kevin White, then so be it.

      And Scherff is not a tackle in the NFL . He will be a guard.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Perfect, Scherff to guard, Kyle to RT. But 7 is kind of high for a guard. Then ILB, OLB. Still prefer they go defense in rounds 1 and 2. If your mission is to build one, you can’t be taking BPA.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Rather have Peat than Scherff, Scerff looks like he’s destined to be a G.

    • If one looks at it objectively, Bridgewater was MUCH more pro-ready than Mariotta.

      If Bridgewater was in this class, he’d probably be ranked #2 QB, some would even argue #1 ahead of Winston because of character.

      Bridewater ended up falling to #32.

      • BerwynBomber

        True but Mariota’s upside is a few tax brackets above Bridgewater’s.

  • dmckendree@post.com

    Beasley, Fowler, or Dupree at number one if any are still there, if not TRAE WAYNES and possibly MARCUS MARIOTA one of only three offensive players in the draft I would consider taking in the first three rounds. The other two are Tevin coleman and BRANDON SCHERFF. Tevin Coleman may be had in the third round and I think he is the best back in the draft. He reminds me of another back the Bears had and the greatest back in history, Walter Payton. Watch his game against Missouri and remember he played virtually the entire season with an injury to his toe that required post season surgery. He is the one offensive player that can help the defense, is a complete three down back, explosive HR threat and is fearless running between the tackles. That is something we haven’t had for a long time.

    • I know the pundits are talking about Gurley and Gordon, but many of the “experts” I trust have Colemen in the convo of who’s #1.
      I suspect the real NFL scouts aren’t gonna let Coleman fall to the 3rd, but if he’s there for us, gotta take him.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Dupree at #7 is a reach, Brandon Scherff is going to be a guard in the NFL, no reason to take a G in the top 8. The last interior lineman taken in the top 8 (Jonathan Cooper) was a disappointment. We don’t need that right now.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Love what I saw from Coleman on YT. I thought he was going in the first round TBH. This is why I would trade down if a QB falls to us. You can get your pass-rusher and still have a pick high enough to grab a top RB. I don’t think Carey can go in for Matt, he just doesn’t seem to be that guy.

  • BerwynBomber

    Can’t go WR. Unless we’re absolutely sure Cooper or White is the next Megatron or Moss. The O should have enough weapons in Forte, Uni, Alshon and Royal.

    If Mariota is still there (and I think it’s fat chance in hell he is), I would be damn tempted to take him or see what type of ransom Kelly is willing to pay.

    Otherwise you go D — either DL or LB.

    • How about the next Odell Beckham?

      • BerwynBomber

        Hmmm …. tough one.

        Bottom line, receiver is not a glaring need for this team — Alshon, Uni, Royal and Forte constitute more than a competent group of pass catchers. Yes, one can always find fault but that is true of most corps in the league. As an example I’m sure Rodgers would love a 6’4″ possession guy of the Alshon/BMarsh school, especially once he is in the red zone.

        Plus, a top ten pick used on a wideout would have the feel of another toy for Jay, which was PE’s grand scheme. Kinda seen enough of it. Build the D, unless the next Bears QB is sitting there.

        All that said I get the whole “best available” argument.

  • NewBearInTown

    Drafting at #7, it doesn’t make sense to talk about which position to draft. You pick your top 7 players, in order, and you take the highest on the list when your number gets called. I honestly have very little feeling about who the best guys are at the top of the draft, but here’s a list I through together quickly to illustrate.
    1. Jameis Winston, QB
    2. Marcus Mariota, QB*
    3. Leonard Williams, DT
    4. Dante Fowler, DE
    5. Danny Shelton, NT
    6. Kevin White, WR*
    7. Ereck Flowers, OT*
    Starred players I would take with no trades, but would not be averse to walking away from for good trade value. For example, Mariota might get me an extra second round pick, I’d take that. Likewise, I’d drop from 7 to the 10-15 range for a third round pick and take Erik Kendricks, ILB

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Disagree with Flowers, would rather have Peat.

      • NewBearInTown

        I find that a much more meaningful conversation than “no man, we need a safety!”

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          Not a believer in Landon Collins.

      • NewBearInTown

        Peat, Flowers and Scherff are all really interesting prospects. I don’t think its a bad thing if we end up with three great guards, though obviously I would be drafting at #7 to try to replace Bushrod.

        • Bear Down in Tampa

          Peat is at worst a massive upgrade at RT. Given the shifting economics at the CB position, trading back and grabbing Jalen Collins intrigues me, having two cheap solid young corners with 5th year options is a good place to be in this crazy CB market.

          • NewBearInTown

            Definitely nice to save some dough on corners, but don’t forget that corners hit the free agency market quite frequently. Quality offensive linemen are not generally as available (which is why Bushrod was a good signing despite his flaws).

            In a vacuum, I favor taking the tackle in the first round before the corner just because of the options for improving the corner position with late round picks or FA in the future.
            But as I wrote, I favor Kendricks as a quality option after trading down. I’m actually tempted to take him at #7 except he has some injury concerns this summer that add an element of risk.

            Ultimately though, take the best player available. Corner, tackle, running back, whatever. Take the best guy on the board.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Weren’t you all about Moseley last year, what is it about ILB’s that give you a boner? LOL!

          • NewBearInTown

            1. There’s a proud tradition in Chicago of transcendent ILB’s. Butkus, Samurai, Lach. I came to this city for the second half of Lach’s career. I want to be here for the next one.
            2. I wasn’t all about Mosely, I was all about Keichly. I was actually a big Fuller guy last year.
            3. We are a defense without a leader. I like the monster pass rushers just fine, but we need leadership on this team more than anything right now. That will make everyone better, including the pass rushers.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            1. Definitely understand, only Bears jersey I have ever owned.
            2. Maybe I’m confusing you with Trac.
            3. They signed Rolle for leadership and I think we’ll add a vet ILB for leadership, none of the current crop of ILB’s is worth the #7 pick.

          • NewBearInTown

            I tend to agree that #7 seems high based on his projected talents. Then again, if Pace thinks he’s a HOF guy, it doesn’t matter what position he plays.
            Fuller was considered high when we took him last year. If he plays as well as he did before he broke his hand, he was a great value where we got him.
            And yeah, Rolle is a leader, as will be the other vets we bring in. But we need home grown guys over the long term. Kyle Long has stepped into that role. Another 3-4 guys like that and its a different locker room.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fuller had a helluva year regardless. He was just playing out of his mind in a few games. But seven forced TOs by a rookie CB? That has future Pro Bowler stamped all over it.

            He may end up being the best personnel move PE ever made.

          • AlbertInTucson

            And Butkus’ predecessor, Bill George (HOF), invented MLB.

          • Everyone forgets about Bill!

            Good catch, Al.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Well, everyone not born in the 1950s, anyway.

            He’s the reason you don’t see anyone wearing #61 in a Bear uni these days.

            I always admired his quote:

            ”The second I saw him (Dick Butkus) on the field (at training camp) I knew my playing days were over.”.

          • Yeah, I remember that quote! You are the resident Blog historian.
            Don’t let the trolls make you go away.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We don’t have any!

          • Irish Sweetness

            See all the juicy options in there? This is why Cutty needed to get moved. Not for the cap space, for the pick.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I am leery of Williams.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Pass Rusher

  • dmckendree@post.com

    I would not touch Jameis rapist Winston, Mariota would require much deliberation, Shelton not before Malcom Brown as Shelton tends to disappear against better teams. Leonard and Fowler are no brainers but likely will be gone unless there is a run on QB and WR together. Beasley and Dupree are athletic freaks that will have production. Dupree is the SEC sack leader and bigger than bigger Beasley. Don’t touch offense until the third round unless it is a very special player like a Tevin Coleman in the third round if he is there still.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Malcolm Brown, really? As a NT in a 3-4? At #7 Overall? No thanks! I also hope you aren’t suggesting we draft Bud Dupree at #7. Dupree at #20 if we trade back with Philly? That’s more like it.

    • Irish Sweetness

      It would be like winning the lottery if Coleman was there for us at the top of the third. If we got two LBs and then Coleman, I’d be stoked. Sign a guard in the fourth, move Kyle out to RT, then sign either Wiz or Satele .. we’d actually have that running game Fox is after. I don’t think Cutty has seen a running game.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    i honestly could care less which position we draft, obviously i hope it is Defense but the whole team needs help. I have had too many WTF reactions in the past decade or so. Don’t stretch for players.

  • GPLDAN

    Tebow has resurrected his career? Ha!

  • Waffle

    It’s got to be D in the first 3 picks. I would love Scherff but no team can win with a D like the Bears in 2013/2014. Give Fangio his toys and let’s put some teeth back in this team.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The defensive homer in me is Screaming “YEAH! YEAH! YEAH!” ….
      …. we could draft a guard in the fourth and then he slides in for Kyle …

  • BerwynBomber

    Latest cap space list of all 32 teams. Not sure if it reflects the Clowns’ Tramon Williams contract. Bears have the fewest players signed. And the Saints are still the only team in the red.

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

    • willbest

      I didn’t think you were allowed to be in the red at any point during the season.

      • NewBearInTown

        Its not the season. There was a top-51 player rule on March 12 if I’m not mistaken, but I guess they got through that after the Graham trade?

    • NewBearInTown

      Wow. The Saints with $20M in dead money on Graham, Lofton and Grubbs. That’s brutal.

  • John Doe

    NFLTradeRumors.co @nfltrade_rumors · 8m8 minutes ago
    Bears Sign G Vlad Ducasse To A One-Year Deal http://bit.ly/1GNEx0G

    • Vlad the Impaler!
      Is he any good? Anyone, Beuler…

      • Bears signed G/T Vlad Ducasse, formerly of the Vikings, to a one-year contract.

        Ducasse, the 61st overall pick in 2010 by the Jets,
        appeared in eight games for the Vikings last season, making six starts.
        He can play either guard spot and right tackle in pinch, though he
        isn’t good at any of the three spots. Ducasse will compete for a
        reserve role along Chicago’s line this summer. – Roto

        • John Doe

          Yes, I think he will be fighting with Michael Ola for a backup spot.

        • NewBearInTown

          $80K guarantee. A camp body as much as anything.

          • FourFeathers

            Just a camp body. Agreed.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i would be a camp body for 80k

          • I would be a body bag for 80K

    • I also wonder if Wiskewski is now off the table.

      • John Doe

        No, this signing is not related IMO. Vlad is either guard or RT.

        Wisnewski might come down to Bears or Seahawks. And Seahawks are not in a position to pay most $$ but they offer a chance to go to Super Bowl. Rams were also mentioned as a possibility but not sure if they can afford him cap wise.

      • Trac

        The Pats let players walk because they either refuse to pay too much or because the player is washed up. Kinda has me wondering about wiz.

  • Boy, after watching this, I might be off the Grayson bandwagon (at least in the 2nd round).

    His ball security is Cutler-esque. I know he didn’t have much protection in that game, but he didn’t seem to feel the pocket. His deep ball is questionable. The game looked too big for him.

    On the plus side, he was more mobile than I originally thought. He did stand tall in the pocket and make some gutsy throws. Goes through his progression. Rhythm passer. His accuracy in short to mid-range routes is nice (esp when throwing in a window).

    Ironically, he might have made a good Tresty project.

    • BerwynBomber

      Here’s Petty against Michigan State. I like him best of the non-first round guys but who the F knows.

      With all these mid-round QBs you’re probably hoping that they will be of Grossman/Orton quality. Land one of those guys in the third round and you have snared decent value.

      • That’s what I see in Grayson. First thought was “Fitzpatrick-esque” – A caretaker QB. (however, his penchant for getting stripped defeats that)
        However, he does flash some very NLF-ish throws. And perhaps what I’m impressed with most is that he hangs in there and takes the hit while going through his progressions.

        I’ve always felt there’s two things you can’t teach a QB. Fearlessness, and pocket presence.

        That’s what separates Doug Fluties from Blaine Gabberts.

        • BerwynBomber

          I saw Gabbert play once … his last game … a bowl tilt vs. Iowa. He looked horrible. I wouldn’t have touched him from what I saw.

          Guys I got right were Brees, Rodgers and R-berger, though I never expected Rodgers’ athleticism to translate so well; it was more about his Marino-like release and the darts he threw. R-berger I saw when he was a national unknown playing against Marshall the year Leftwich was being pimped for the Heisman. I remember emailing my buddy afterward (Marshall won last minute or in OT/think it was like a Wed night game or something) and saying the underclassman with the Jewish-sounding name QBing at Miami was better than Leftwich. Brees I saw a bunch but it was last game against Ohio State I always remember. He threw four INTs that day and it was literally the greatest four INT game I ever saw a QB have. Rallied Purdue to a Rose Bowl-clinching victory.

          A guy I missed was Rivers; saw NC State twice his last year and was not impressed. Never thought he would be all that. (Never saw Cutty play college ball, btw.)

          Also didn’t see Brady or Wilson materializing, though I did have a feeling quickly that Flynn would lose the job to the latter once it was reported what a quick study Wilson was but that was mostly because I viewed Flynn as such a one-game wonder. And Brady did look fantastic his very last college game against ‘Bama. But the year before I saw him against Ohio State and understood why the UM faithful were calling for Henson.

          • I never studied college QBs too much cuz it always seemed like such a crap shoot. I can tell by watching some tape though who makes NFL throws, shows grit/leadership, accuracy, etc, but it’s always hard to predict if it will translate to the NFL.

            Going through progressions at the NFL speed is hard to recreate at the college ranks.
            Some from smaller schools don’t even play vs good competition.

            I guess that’s why scouts emphasize big games, or bowl games, since adrenaline speeds it up a bit, and the pressure is on.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, it’s still an inexact science in terms of predictions.

            One thing I’ve always felt was helpful is if a guy played college ball for a team that he often had to carry against superior talent. Way back when Elway did that often at Stanford. More recently Brees at Purdue and even Eli at Ole Miss. Or R-berger when he was at MiamiU or Ryan at BC. The reason? Makes them deal with a pass rush on a pretty regular basis and speeds up their decision-making or tests their scrambling.

            I remember when Craig Krenzel QBed a few games for the Bears. It looked like he had not seen a pass rush his entire life, and given that he QBed at Ohio State, which dominates Big Ten recruiting, he probably hadn’t.

          • I remember Ken Dorsey on those 2001-2002 Miami games. He got touched maybe once per game. Maybe. OL had 3 future NFL guys, including Bryant McKinnie, who was a damn good NFL LT before he got fat and lazy. And he was handing off to Frank Gore, Clinton Portis, and Willis McGahee. Not to mention throwing to Jeremy Shockey, Kellen Winslow, Andre Johnson, and Santana Moss.

            I was a middle schooler living in Miami at the time. I thought Dorsey was the shit and couldn’t understand why he wasn’t getting much NFL hype.

            My dad used that to teach me about the importance of surrounding cast. God those Miami teams were stacked.

          • Yeah, but then u get Cutler. Also didn’t have crap in college, so it was all him.

            Had eveything else too. Arm, size, mobility. ..except you know, that other thing which makes him not Rodgers.

            Then u have a Romo who should’ve been selling cars by now make a nice career and better Cutler.

            QB is such a strange mistress

          • BerwynBomber

            But Cutty has been far from a bust. I would say he more than lived up to his draft status. And yep, I would assume he carried those Vandy teams.

            Anyway, just a pet theory and it is hardly a 100% predictive. Carson Palmer, for one, often played with superior talent as a college player but still proved a good NFL QB.

    • Trac

      Does this guy throw the rock any better?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Sean Mannion had a good pro day, made all the throws. 6’5 Mike Glennon type (skinny, but could fill out into a Big Ben if he clears his plate). Anyone seen much of him? It’s all rainbows passes on YT. Sounds like a lot of folk have him as the most pro ready QB in the draft? We could still go defense in the first two rounds and maybe pick up our future QB. Our last great one had an Irish name too …

      • Waffle

        with all due respect Irish, you don’t fill out into a Big Ben. You are born like that. Rapermeister is a fucking monster truck and has always been a freakishly large guy. Glenno, Mannion and guys like him are storks and will always be storks.

        • BerwynBomber

          Although technically Brady had a bit of that stork build too …

          P.S. Good to see the Waffle handle.

  • It’s like a guy from the Village People scouting.

  • John Doe

    Chris Buckle @chris_buckle · 8m8 minutes ago
    Breaking from @OTLonESPN: 49ers LB Chris Borland retiring b/c of concerns about long-term effects of head trauma: http://es.pn/18zMb3C

    • BerwynBomber

      Wow … these early retirements have been surprising but none more than Borland’s.

    • NO FUCKING WAY.
      Really? That is VERY disconcerting. Portends to NFL DeathKnell?
      Fuck, can the Bears win a SB before it goes kaput in 20 years?

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Calm down, as long as Texas and the inner city still exists, the NFL will have a talent pipeline in perpetuity.

    • Scharfinator

      Smart kid. Though money won’t be so easy to come by now.

      • I wonder with this new rookie scale (which pays relativly little) – if others will follow suit.
        It’s one thing to quit a few thousand, another to quit a few million.

    • Big Mike

      Reminds me cold fusion theory. A widely reported research project was successful in proving cold fusion would work. Until the report was proven wrong.

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