• CanadaBear

    I voted for other. I want Ozzie Newsome. I know that will never happen but that’s my vote.

  • Are Gamble and DeCosta definitely off the table?

    • DaBearsBlog

      DeCosta was never on anybody’s table. He’s not leaving Baltimore. Gamble? Why?

      • tobijohn

        Why did the Eagles get rid of Gamble anyway?

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Because he’s an old friend of Rex Ryan in the sense they’ve been friends for a long time. Didn’t you want Rex as Bears HC ?

        Also he was with the 49ers when they hired Harbaugh and his staff, as well as the early parts of their presence there. He’s in perfect position to bring in a Vic Fangio-Greg Roman pairing to Chicago… these guys are 4-0 against Rodgers (with 2 different, diverse, average QBs). Using numerous players Gamble was (in part) responsible for acquiring.

      • I could argue, but as with most, I must rely on what I read about GMs (as opposed to watching film, unless there’s an all-22 film for GMs?)

        I can tell you ONE big reason I like Gamble: HE HAS LITTLE CONNECTION TO BEARS OR ANGELO. I like that. I like that Gamble isn’t familiar about the “Bears way” or has Kevin Bacon connections to Phillips, McCaskeys, and ESP – ANGELO, or even Accorsi.

        But I’ll quote an article for the rest:

        “Before moving back to Philadelphia two years ago to be closer to his ailing father (who’s since passed), he spent about a decade in San Francisco. He rose up the management ranks while 49ers teams struggled under the likes of Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary, but look at some of his early round picks at the same time Jim Harbaugh was hired to help
        that franchise win again, not to mention develop perhaps the deepest
        roster in the league prior to the Harbaugh-Trent Baalke power struggle: Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, Navorro Bowman, Aldon Smith and Colin Kaepernick in 2010 and 2011. He wasn’t perfect: His first- and second-rounders in 2012 were A.J. Jenkins and LaMichael James.”

        http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/tom-gamble-bears-safest-bet-search-new-gm

        Gamble has come from (and created) winning cultures and that should trump the Bears business model of circle jerking.

  • tobijohn

    I’ve got to go with Ballard. The positives mentioned in the last few threads outweigh the negatives. Yes, I’m still around and checking up on you guys so behave yourselves…

    • bloomie1937

      Now that it’s Pace, we need to think about a HC. I’m hoping it’s Jeff Fsher, I suppose he’ll cost a number 1 but, if he’d be willing to accept Shanahan as OC, maybe Cutler would be an asset.

  • Viva

    Dear Chris,

    Dave Toub for HC.

    Viva

    • working on a piece now for who Toub might get for his coordinators. Has some connections from past in PHI, CHI, and Missouri to guys who have playcalling experience in NFL and are currently available.

      • Scott W.

        Cool. I look forward to reading it Mr. Wood.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        Only connection with winning coordinator both Ballard and Taub have is Ron Rivera.

        • Professional Journal

          I just heard the Giants fired Fewell. Please hire Ballard, Toub, and Fewell.

          • DaMurph

            Why hire Fewell? The Giants were 29th in defense this year, the Bears were 30th. Is that really where you want to go? Not me.

          • Professional Journal

            The Giants were hit with injuries hard this year, but the previous year the Giants were ranked top 10. Fewell also won a championship with his defense against a perfect New England team.

          • DaMurph

            That was Steve Spagnuolo that was the defensive coordiantor against the undefeated Patriots! So I believe you are confused about Fewell. perhaps change your name from professional journal to ummmmm the not so right journal?

          • Professional Journal

            Hilarious!

            Fewell was still the DC of a Giants Superbowl winner over the Patriots.

      • Viva

        Data strikes again. Look forward to the read. More importantly, I look forward to Toub creating game plans that actually take into consideration our opponents strengths and weaknesses for a change. Throw in some creativity, discipline, and accountability, and we may be able to win 10+ games on a constant basis.

        • Big Mike

          Viva, tell me why you love Toub. I’m not against him at all. From what I’ve read he seems like a hard nosed guy, who might be the best special teams coach in the league. His defensive coaching experience is limited. He’s never been a HC or even a Coordinator at any level. Rex Ryan would be my first choice, Shanahan second. Do we really want someone who was raised in Halas Hall?

          Enlighten me, I’m not dug in on my opinion at all and if Toub gets the job, I’d like to be happy about it.

          • Viva

            Mike, I (and many others) were on the Toub bandwagon the last go around as well.

            Why Dave Toub?

            Because his ST are consistently the top 5 in the league for a sustained period of time, which does not happen by accident.

            How was he able to achieve those results?

            1. He first has to develop a plan to exploit his opponents weaknesses. (His schemes are creative and decisive. He masks his weaknesses and exploits his opponents vulnerabilities with a consistency that is remarkable (I’m not talking above average…I think he’s a top 5%er.)

            2. He needs to identify the right guys to execute his plan and get as much out of them as possible. (Skunk, Daniel Manning, Johnny Knox, Tim Shaw, Robbie Goiuld, B Ayenbaydjoyo (?) are all guys he brought the best out of.) I don’t know how much influence he had with Lovie and JA in bringing these guys on board, but I do know that he got every last drop of talent out of them.

            3. He then has to train (coach-up) his multiple units (punt return, punt coverage, kick-off return / coverage, extra point, field goal) to ensure they execute their collective and individual tasks week in and week out (he has been doing this for years). His guys execute on Sundays because he prepares them to execute with a purpose.

            I think he is a gifted tactician and leader, and I want to see his game plans executed on Sunday’s.

          • Big Mike

            Those are exceptional qualities. Here are my thoughts. His choice of coordinators, will either make or break him, because he has zero experience calling plays on offense or defense. Can he instill his approach to the game in his coordinators?

            From your description, it sounds like he has the intangibles hands down. (leading a top performing unit, getting the most out his players through coaching and scheme, etc) the lack of experience will bite us in the ass on game day.

            Why not Rex Ryan? You think he’s lost his fire? Too big of a personality?

            You’re not concerned about the taint of Angelo? Philips and McCaskey going to Toub, smells like them going with a safe “in-house” choice they can push around. Playing Devil’s Advocate a bit, to see what you you think on this.

            One of the things I do like about Toub, is that if it is Ballard that picks him, we have a matching set of guys who came up together, have each others back so to speak and are very likely to be on the same page. Side note, I love that Ballard played at a high level and college and was in a couple of NFL Camps. Not many GMs have that perspective. Probably less than 5. I can really only think of Ozzie Newsome.

          • Trac

            It seems to me that ST coaches normally don’t get promoted to HC unless they inherit a staff. Am I wrong?

          • Big Mike

            I don’t know. Which is why it concerns me.

          • Scott W.

            Proud member of “many others”.

          • bloomie1937

            Ryan? I’d put him behind Gibron.

    • Scott W.

      And Scott.

    • Professional Journal

      Giants fired Fewell, I heard. Please hire him after Ballard and Toub. Fewell was on the staff with Toub under Lovie so there is a connection. Fewell defense won a Superbowl over New England.

      • Bender McLugh

        why didn’t he get the DC job again? Money?

        • Bender McLugh

          meaning with the Bears, he was a candidate…..unless that was the year the Old Man (now in big D) took over.

        • Professional Journal

          Because he wanted stability. At the time when Love wanted to hire him as DC, Love only had a year left on his contract.

        • Professional Journal

          Lovie offered the job to Fewell, Hot Rod only wanted to coach the D line. Lovie only had a year left on his contract. Fewell turned down the job and went to NY. Hot Rod reconsidered and took the DC job. After the season Lovie got an extension.

      • bloomie1937

        Lovie who?

        • Professional Journal

          So much for that idea.

    • Scott W.

      And Scott.

  • Shady

    Getting back to the “Chris Ballard looks like” convo from the last thread, I’m thinking Gary Johnston or Spottswoode from Team America… the original Kim Jong fuck you North Korea movie.

    http://www.american-buddha.com/ateamamerica210c.jpg

    http://statici.behindthevoiceactors.com/behindthevoiceactors/_img/chars/char_56550.jpg

    NSFW:

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yeah, all the grief that ‘Interview’ movie is getting, haven’t sseen it,but it must pale in comparison to what was going on in ‘Team America’. Then again, Kim Jong Il was probawy finking “Dey Ruv me!”

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    one thing i don’t really understand is some peoples wishes to trade or cut talented players. So far in the last several threads i have heard BM, Cutler, and Forte. The main reasons i have heard for these are to save cap space or get draft picks. Now I understand the Cutler talk, but i just can’t figure out Forte and BM. If Forte and BM were in significant decline i would understand the talk but they are not. By cutting/trading these players the Bears will still incur dead money against the cap. Last year we had $18M in dead money, currently going into 2015 we have basically none, under $1M. With the increase in the Cap to close to $145M(speculation, not set yet) means we have over $30M of cap space. A lot can be done with $30M+ as far as signing draft picks and FA.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Real simple. Forte is 29. He’s a RB. He’s not getting any better for you moving forward. He cost us a second, and if anyone offers you a second on a heavily depreciated asset moving forward then you’re an idiot if you turn it down. We’re in re-build mode (IMO), so we don’t need expensive talented players when we really don’t want to win too many games and put our draft picks at the lower level.

      Forte is worth nothing to anybody in 3 years time. Shop him while he’s worth something, e won’t be winning anytime soon, we have one of the worst rosters in the NFL, and keeping Forte around doesn’t help you get better as a team. Picks do.

      my $0.02.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        The Bears were in rebuilding mode after Lovie left.

        In the last 2 seasons Emery brought in 42 new players.

        Sorry… but if Emery had to win ‘now’ the new regime can’t sell the rebuild stuff.

      • SC Dave

        Well, you have wanted to get rid of Forte for about four years now Irish, so please forgive me if I discount the argument.

        Matt is our best player, and in my opinion you just don’t get rid of your best player.

        • Scott W.

          This is a tough argument on both sides I think. I’m actually not sure where I fall on this one.
          I love Matt, and have a lot of respect for him as a player. He hasn’t asked for a whole lot, but has given everything he has on the field.
          Conversely, Irish has a salient point; Matt’s age and cleat mileage are high, and at that point where he has to know he’s getting near the end of his career, even if that’s 2-3 years out.
          On another note, slowly but surely, I’m losing my sentimentality. I used to rage against getting read of players that were “faces” of the franchise. I hated Free Agency and often thought of it as the Death Knell for team identity and fan loyalty.
          Now, heck, I don’t know. Maybe the NFL should be a shuffle board.

          • Bender McLugh

            What would Belichick do with a player like Matt & BM? He’d sell high while he could………as much as that pains me to think about – I’m in the same boat with wanting to keep our players and all that sentimental crap.

          • CanadaBear

            To me it boils down to what are you getting in return? Forte isn’t getting you a 2nd rounder. Older RB’s aren’t bringing you anything more than a 4th rounder. With BMarsh’s history he’s probably not going to get you more than a 4th rounder either. Pretty sad return for gifted players. If you can get a 2nd or 1st by all means trade them. Highly doubtful.

          • Scott W.

            Funny, when you see those things written out it’s more jarring than thinking them. Brandon Marshall, Matt Forte, for two 4th round picks.
            UGH.

          • Exactly. I doubt we get even two 3rds for both of them.
            This draft class esp has better RBs than last year’s, so that’s a factor.
            GMs will also look at the colossal success of rookie WRs across the league (Benjamin, ODB, etc) and think it’s a trend they can bank on, thus effecting the WR FA/Trade market.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            sure trading Forte will give you money against the cap, but he is also going into his final year of his contract. If we don’t resign him, which my guess is we don’t, we will also be eligible for a compensatory pick. I don’t know all the particulars about those picks but i would guess it would be around 3rd-4th round based on his production and pay. So trading Forte for anything greater than a 2nd round pick does not make sense.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t understand – so if someone gave us a first for him, we’re not happy?

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            sorry for the confusion. i would take a 1st or 2nd for him but anything above a 2nd does not make sense.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If Matt only garnered a 4th, and BM for that matter … I don’t know. Maybe at that point it’s more about getting rid of their salaries ? Don’t get me wrong, they’re top players, but if we need to build a roster then we need more than our fair share of picks.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Belichick has that luxury, he has his systems in place and has proven he can find diamonds in the rough, and coach up sub par players, and find reclamation players. He also knows what will work for his system that he has had in place for over a decade.

            Right now we do not know what systems we will have in place, we don’t know what type of O or D we will be running. If the new regime coming in thinks they can get rid of them, and get a 1st/2nd in return(highly doubtful) then do it. But the aging WR/RB positions do not command more than probably a 4th rounder, which i don’t think is a good return for a trade at this point in there careers.

          • Bender McLugh

            completely agree. hopefully this is the time we can find our guys to implement a GOOD system that can work similarly. Pipe-dream probably.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly, he has a bunch of picks to play with come draft time.

          • bloomie1937

            All decisions by Phillips are about money. He answers to the cheapest owners in the league.

          • Scott W.

            Way overstated. They are certainly not the cheapest owners in the league, by a long shot.
            Cliff Stein is just a contract genius.

        • SC Dave

          Good points all around. Perhaps I’m just sentimental, I don’t know. But even with a 2nd round pick, do you think the team will ultimately get more value than Matt finishing out as a Bear? How much is the “league average” second round pick worth?

          Obviously, one could hit a home run (after all, Matt was a 2nd rounder himself), or you could end up with nothing.

          What is the value of the bird in hand versus the one in the bush?

        • Irish Sweetness

          So how do you acquire draft picks Dave?

          As a *running back* I don’t think he’s all that, no – and his numbers proved that this year, scraping a thousand yards which is about 60 yards per game, and a handful of TDs. When you combine his receptions he becomes something else. We’re easy to shut down as an offense when you become so one-dimensional, so I don’t think it’s a good thing that he broke records this year. Breaking a record like that helped us win five games. Trading him helps us get better, pickwise and capwise.

          We need more than one player. A lot more.

          • bloomie1937

            In the first place football is won or lost at the line of scrimmage. skill players are vastly overrated. I’d take Jim Covert over Jay Cutler in a heartbeat.

          • bloomie1937

            NS Sherlock! IMO the two best players in the NFL are J.J. Watt and Kong. One of them ought to be suspended for life.

    • Big Mike

      It comes down to the fact that for many people the draft and the offseason are more fun than the actual season.

    • BerwynBomber

      Well, trading would conceivably result in more draft picks as well as money with which to pursue cheaper FAs than those players you are unloading. The thought is that in most professional team sports you want to be in one or two places — contending or in total rebuild. Somewhere in between is no man’s land.

      Far as I know the Bears only have two pricey contracts on D: Allen’s and Jenning’s, and frankly I don’t even know the per year #s on Tiny Tim’s. But on O you arguably have five: Cutty, BMarsh, Forte, Bushrod and Bennett. Plus, they will soon have to open the vault for Alshon and Long.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        it is just a little early IMO to be speculating that we we need cap space, especially when we have $15M of bad contracts coming off the books next year, and honestly i think some people are over speculating the value of the BM and Forte on the trade market. I don’t see getting more than 4th rounders for them.

        • BerwynBomber

          I agree about the 4th rounders but if you’re not going to contend for a title the argument can be that you are best jettisoning pricey veterans. Obviously the biggest fish are Cutty and BMarsh.

          Remember, DAL somewhat did this with their infamous Herschel Walker trade a few decades back. Granted, their haul was much richer/larger, but even it you unloaded, say, Cutty and BMarsh for a couple of 3rd rounders, you also reap the benefit of taking some of that money off your books.

          Comes down to this: if you truly think you can contend with this current group (w/ the help of new coaching, a new FA or two, maybe two decent draft picks), then you keep your large contracts and go all in next season. If you don’t, then you are better off unloading these guys sooner than later.

          • CanadaBear

            Good luck selling a rebuild at Soldier Field.

          • BerwynBomber

            You could sell it easier than what was just on display.

          • CanadaBear

            Who tries to sell a team with a shitty GM, a spineless weasel for a coach and an unlikeable team that quit on said coach?

          • Irish Sweetness

            This.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Cutty and Allen alone – there’s our cap space.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i don’t understand what you are trying to say? we are going to have $30M+ in cap space going into next year before we cut or trade anyone. Allen will be off the books after next year. Cutty can be cut after next year without a huge amount of dead money. so 2016 we will have close to an additional $30M in cap space by getting rid of them. I say we bide our time with Allen, no one is going to trade for him and if he’s got 1 more year all the better, i think the pneumonia hit him harder this year than anything. If there is a trade offer that’s good for Cutty take it, if not it’s one more year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            No one said anything about trading Allen, he just gets cut.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            you don’t cut him cause it will cost 12.5 mill against the cap. he will be in camp and playing for us next year, even if it is just as a situational pass rusher. lot to pay for him but he is on the team.

      • Irish Sweetness

        We’re only paying him 5.5 next year, but he is 31, just got pulled over on a DUI … and I never liked him as a player, so I won’t shed a tear if he goes.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Or Gamble …. but Quinn for HC. Bowles is too young. Quinn is Irish, and has man-boobs, but I like his defensive cachet.

    • Trac

      Quinn would make all the disappointment that Bears fans have evaporate overnight. To me, he is the right coach for the Bears.

      • Scott W.

        Plus, Brady Quinn is now an NFL commentator/color analyst. He calls a Bears game, it’s a “Quinn-Quinn” for everyone!
        Please hold your applause….

        • Bender McLugh

          oye

        • SC Dave

          Don’t worry, we will.

          • Scott W.

            You’re mean Dave. Stop being Mean to me. Just stop it. I’m sad that you ridicule me.
            No wait – sorry – I was thinking of Dave Haugh. Disregard.

      • Big Mike

        Dan Quinn looks like a white Lovie with his bald head. Jets want him badly as well.

    • Sactowns#1

      You guys sure you want another guy with no NFL HC experience?

      • Irish Sweetness

        As gets mentioned a lot – what HC has won a SB and then won one elsewhere? So if you hire a HC who has HC experience but hasn’t won a SB then you’re essentially hiring a guy who got stressed out failing elsewhere. Lovie had no HC experience and we went to a SB under him …. we won one under Ditka, that was his first HC gig. Shula, Landry, the list of successful HCs who have never been a HC elsewhere is a long one I’d imagine.

        Let’s be the ones to stress Quinn out in his first gig, but let’s be honest, it’s really because we wished he was our DC as opposed to being the HC. And why would he leave the best gig to come here and do the same job?

        • “you’re essentially hiring a guy who got stressed out failing elsewhere”

          I disagree with this premise.
          Sometimes good/great coaches failing spectacularly their first time around (remember Billichick with the Browns, or Carrol with the Pats?)

          I mean, Rex Ryan had perhaps the WORST GM/Owner combo in the league.

          Rex did NOT want Geno. Didn’t want a lot of those players that got shoved down his throat. You think he wanted to lose Revis?

          Sometimes, good coaches find themselves in shitty situations and a change in scenery and support works miracles.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I was thinking more like the coaches who have been around a long time.

  • Ososfan

    Seems Ballard has a very good eye for talent and will run the org the aya he’s always wanted to do he gets my vote. If that does happen, like I said before, I hope Toub becomes the HC he seems like he’ll bring out the best in the players and can handle the whole dynamic of the team instead of just ST, DEF, or O.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Who do we want or who’ll indeed be the Bears next GM ?
    I have no idea who these guys are, I couldn’t recognize them if I’d see them on the street.

    I voted ‘other’ because I think a guy hiring a guy like Tom Gamble would increase the chances of having Vic Fangio or Rex Ryan as HC. My plan is to either steal Harbaugh’s staff from the 49ers and bring as many as I can to Chicago or bring in Rex Ryan, a difference making proven HC.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Jeff twitter:
    ‘Interviews for these personnel men are currency. They’ll be thankful to Bears for opportunity – hired or not.’

    So, again, why did Ballard refuse free money ? For me that’s a key aspect up until today.

    • Ososfan

      Free money in regards to the Jets job? It may be because Ballards wants full control and no one is sure how much power he’d get with the Jets. Also, woody, from just what I’ve read, seems like a guy who is really hard to work with/for.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        First of all… the Jets are the AFC version of the Bears. All the things you’re saying right there about them translates to the letter in Chicago.

        Second of all… what they do or offer is besides the point. Just take the free currency and use it when talking with the Bears or whomever you favor as your real ‘target’.

        You can take this as a general, basic rule. The fact we’re talking about the Bears only exacerbates the issue.

        • DaBearsBlog

          Barb, so much of what you say is incorrect. Yet you think these thing are facts.

          Interviewing with Jets and Philly means you’re accepting opportunity to not be top man. With Bears you are top football man. People want to argue Ted Phillips is above you but it’s nonsense. Bears GM is top football man.

          • Trac

            What do you think about Quinn?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Jeff… you’re contradicting your twitter feed in different areas:

            1)
            DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog · Jan 5
            . @Nagurski7 @BenWRecruiter Don’t think Bears are giving Ballard or any GM opportunity to pick his own coach. Will be collaborative effort.
            DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog · Jan 5
            @MattPhillips32 @Nagurski7 @BenWRecruiter Absolutely but no longer the one-man operation it seemed to be in the past.

            2) DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog · Jan 5
            Also, Bears have competition from ONE other team. There aren’t 7 GM openings in a crowded market.
            DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog · Jan 5
            So Chris Ballard officially turned down opportunity to interview w/Jets. He’s all in for the Bears job. How can a Bears fan not love that?
            DaBearsBlog@dabearsblog · Jan 6
            . @gainsey008 @DknowzBest Interviews for these personnel men are currency. They’ll be thankful to Bears for opportunity – hired or not.

            Jeff, mine aren’t facts, but questions. Doubts I have, questions in need of an answer…an answer I don’t have, but search.
            Maybe you can help me (I doubt you will) with my question:

            “Why didn’t Ballard use the free currency to gain opportunity to pick his own coach and not make it a ‘collaborative effort’ ?”

            PS: You really think you can be “top football man” if you’re can’t hire your own coach ? Isn’t that a little bit of a contradiction ? And why I’m in the wrong as a fan for asking these questions…

          • SC Dave

            Why do you say the Phillips part is nonsense, Jeff? All the talk from George and Ted remains that they will be making the final decisions. Presumably meaning personnel as well.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ted hires all these clowns, ergo Ted esta problemo numero uno. Si ou no, hombres?

          • Scott W.

            I wish I could vote this up about 5 more times for the GM job clarification.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            in some aspects i agree with Barb(God i hate writing that), since i believe just interviewing gives you the opportunity to learn. Whether just learning more about yourself through the questions they ask or whether it is learning more about the structures/visions of your future opponents.

            But when looking at the interviews Ballard has turned down – Jets/Philly this year and Bucs last year. Those organizations the GM is not in the position to be the ‘Top’ guy. Either ownership or Coaches have a significant say in personnel. Hard to implement your own vision and plan when there are people muddying the waters.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            guys… I’m not losing my patience, but I admit I’m really close….

            IT SEEMS FROM WHAT JEFF’S TWITTER FEED IS SAYING (not Barb UMihai Mar ) THAT HE WILL NOT HAVE ALL THAT WITH THE BEARS !!!

            DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog · Jan 5
            . @Nagurski7 @BenWRecruiter Don’t think Bears are giving Ballard or any GM opportunity to pick his own coach. Will be collaborative effort.
            DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog · Jan 5
            @MattPhillips32 @Nagurski7 @BenWRecruiter Absolutely but no longer the one-man operation it seemed to be in the past.

            Talk about being “Hard to implement your own vision and plan when there are people muddying the waters.”

            ‘own vision and plan’ and ‘collaborative effort’ don’t (insert swear) mix !!!

            My only/basic question is simple: Why not use those 2nd rate jobs to maybe gain that power in Chicago for real ? It seems to me like the obvious thing to do… as a ‘potential hot in demand candidate’ as Jeff tweeted.

            PS: I’m not throwing crap on Ballard, being negative about him just to have a contrary/hateful opinion. I’d say my negative thoughts go towards the Bears, as the only answer to the question might be that Ballard knows the Bears, so he knows it’s their way or no way. So using leverage might ‘scare’ them away… as their aren’t looking for a ‘trouble maker’, whatever you want to call it… a guy that doesn’t know his place.

  • Doc Hamstring

    Here’s a question: would any of the potential GMs the Bears would hire be worse than Emery?

    In other words, there’s a definite upgrade coming, right? Emery’s talent evaluations weren’t bad–outside of McClellin and Hardin (mainly), Emery was pretty solid at evaluating draft and FA talent. Emery’s problems were his coaching hire and (maybe) extending Jay Cutler and paying him above his worth (rather than franchising him or paying him below market value for a franchise QB).

    What I’m really sneaking up on is: will the Bears’ GM hiring process emphasize GM duties other than player personnel evaluation?

    • Trac

      Emery believed he could plug holes with FA signings and missed it on BPA in pretty much all three of his drafts. Like it or hate it, you draft best player available over CD, Fuller and Long. In my opinion, Emery did not draft well.

      • willbest

        In order to make the BPA argument against Emery you need to
        1) Identify the player or players that were so obviously BPA at the time of the draft that it isn’t even debatable
        2) Have gone on to outperform Emery’s pick

        If you cannot demonstrate both, then you cannot fault Emery for his pick based on BPA.

        Seeing as Long is 2nd team all-pro guard, I have no idea who you are selecting out of the 2013 draft even if you think Long could have been gotten in the 2nd or 3rd (an argument you cannot make until you produce the other 31 draft boards).

        As for Fuller, its only been one year, but the guy has 3 INT and 3 FF despite playing with a broken hand. I guess CJ Mosley has played better, but was he the clear and obvious choice?

        • CanadaBear

          Chandler Jones instead of Chicken Dinner. That’s not revisionist history. There were a bunch of people on here screaming for Jones. Even Whitney Merciless was being touted for that pick and he’s better than CD. Both were available when PE took CD.

          • willbest

            Every GM has a bad draft. And it was his very first one so it was unlikely to be a grand slam anyway. What I see from Emery’s limited body of work is improvement year to year, and his 2014 draft looks rather great in limited (1 year) analysis.

          • Big Mike

            Didn’t have his own scouting system in place. Lovie Smith influenced that draft.

          • Trac

            That’s crazy Mike. Emery was top scout master in KC. That dog don’t hunt.

          • CanadaBear

            Exactly! He had been studying the draft all year for his previous draft. Yes the draft needs differed from one team to the other but the ratings would still be the same.

          • Emery can’t scout the entire country! He’s not omnipresent. All good GMs must rely on their legions of scouts, and in this case, it was the same legion that got us pool jumping phenomenons, and there was nothing Emery could do about it cuz the Bears brain trust didn’t want radical change in Emery’s first year.

            At least this year they’ve seemed to learn from half-assed-measures.

          • CanadaBear

            He was the scouting director. He should be seeing all the reports over the entire country. If he trusted those scouts, bring that info with him to Chicago. I just don’t get this argument that he came here with no knowledge of the draft and had to rely on Lovie’s staff to make the picks. Any GM that gets hired should have his own philosophy and method to grade players. He doesn’t defer to lame duck coaches because he erased his brain from one job to the next.

          • Emery admitted that he relied on the then-current scouting system in place because he couldn’t install all his guys.

            That was McCaskeys/Phillips/Lovie status-quo year all the way.

          • Big Mike

            Did that group work for the Bear his first year in Chicago?

          • Trac

            My point really is that he believed he found a gem in CD before he got to Chicago. I wouldn’t be surprised if he told the McCaskeys as much during his interview.

          • Big Mike

            Had never read or heard that before.

        • Big Mike

          Emery didn’t have the luxury of BPA in any of his drafts. The first draft he had to deal with what Lovie wanted, the second draft he had to fix the offense, the third draft he had to fix the defense. Bears were locked in to one side of the ball or the other in the last two drafts (for their early round picks).

          • CanadaBear

            PE brought some of that on himself by signing crappy players that didn’t perform. And all this BS about the first draft being Lovie’s … CD is still here. 2 years after Lovie left. He’s done next to nothing at 2 positions. If this is Lovie’s pick, why is he here? PE was the GM. The GM makes the picks. He waited his entire life to get that job and he’s just going to hand over the selections to a lame duck coach? Doubt it!

          • Big Mike

            No doubt, CD has been given too much time, but you don’t cut first round guys during their rookie contract. I don’t think PE drafts him without Lovie’s influence. My guess is he was on the Bears board. But even if he did pick him, it doesn’t change the fact that the Bears have been not able to take BPA in the draft, because they’ve had gaping wholes in their team. BPA is the luxury of teams that are deep and consistently good. OR screwed up and simply rebuilding.

          • CanadaBear

            Totally agree with the BPA scenario.

            I’ve been having this argument with MB and others for years about PE. PE had to keep Lovie for 1 year. That was a stupid stipulation but it was what it was. PE fired Lovie after a 10-6 year. The only way Lovie was going to come back was if we made the playoffs. Why would Lovie or any of his coaches have any juice in the war room if they were already halfway out the door?

            The MB theory was CD was Old Sauce’s pick. Why would a DC get to pick the first rounder? Alshon was PE’s pick. That dovetailed with MB’s theory that PE was actually good at his job. Hardin was a Lovie pick because he was a white safety. REALLY, that was MB’s analysis. Rodriguez was Tice’s pick. A first time OC gets his own pick? HMMM. I was arguing with MB and a bunch of others about that stupid theory. That’s why I’m so feisty about giving PE a pass.

          • Big Mike

            I can see your arguments. MB’s argument gains some credibility because Emery Didn’t have his scouts in place and while Lovie etc all may have been 1/2 way out the door, the expectation of making the playoffs was pretty high. In fact they were one win against Houston, SF, MN, Seattle or GB from making the playoffs. They lost by a touchdown or less in 4 of those games with one going to OT. They closed out by beating two teams on the road.

            The scouts in place at the time, were loyal to Lovie and Angelo, the guys they had on the radar were scouted because of what those men wanted. So Emery taken over, the deck was stacked towards those players.

            I’m not giving PE a pass on his first draft, but his second one was much better and I believe his third draft may be even better. I believe Fuller, Ferguson and Sutton will develop very well. I like Carey and Vereen, The punter is a nice pick who will contribute for a long time, Groh the 7th rounder has already contributed some depth. Which for a 7th rounder is very good. I don’t know WTF to make of the Fales pick. But that’s the only head scratcher to me.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m not sure Ferguson or Sutton are anything other than just a couple of guys. Hope you’re right. I haven’t seen anything from Carey or Vereen to get my hopes up. No issue with punter pick. Same with Groh. He’s feisty as hell so you gotta like that attitude at that position. Not to mention, 6th and 7th rounders are really a shot in the dark. Whenever we had good picks they always made some splash plays as rookies and improved from there.

            I give PE credit for thinking outside the box on the Wilson pick and the Jones signing. Lots of GM’s wouldn’t take a chance on guys with that baggage.

          • Big Mike

            Our D-line was good this year. It was good because of depth. DTs take a while to adjust to the NFL. You’ll have to wait and see, but I’m very bullish on Ferguson and Sutton. Cary hardly touched the ball, but every time he ran, he ran hard and landed going forward. The only knock on him coming out of college was speed. Vereen is going to be a player. He got tossed out there after guys went down. Consider 2014 great training for him.

          • CanadaBear

            I wasn’t that thrilled with the D Line. Esp considering the amount of money spent on it. I sure didn’t see much from Ferguson and Sutton. Carey-meh. Could pick up guys on the street to do that. Vereen showed me nothing.

            I hope I’m being too harsh and you’re correct.

          • Irish Sweetness

            All four mentioned .. .were ‘meh’.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Really? Buffalo had two ten-sack guys. What did our ten million dollar man snag … 4.5 was it ? Opposing QBs had their way with us this year and that starts and ends with the pass rush. Any DB will get eaten alive if the other QB can stand in there all day.

          • Big Mike

            Not just sacks. Our dline was in their gaps, controlled the run pretty well. Hard to tell for most because the end result wasn’t great, gave up a ton of points and rarely had a lead that forced other teams to pass.

            My experienced eye looking at interior line play tells me we have very good talent.

          • Sactowns#1

            I watched a lot of Buffalo games this year (they covered the last 4 games!) abd their D was no joke. I kinda want gym shorts as HC just for the fact he beat every NFC north team this year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Marquess Wilson? Does he still have fans here? Really?

          • CanadaBear

            Just giving PE credit for thinking outside the box. Didn’t say I was Prez of the fan club.

          • I agree. See below/above.
            As for Fales, I think that’s a Tresty pick, but still, Emery is responsible.
            However, the Pats seemed interested in him late in the season, and that is even though they already have Brady and Garrapolo on the roster, so there might be more to Fales than meet the eye.
            If the Pats like him, can’t be too horrible?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fales looked promising the little we saw of him. Absolutely nobody can write him off at this stage, he looked sharp.

          • Irish Sweetness

            You certainly didn’t like PE to begin with Mike, you didn’t think Long would beat out either Carimi or Webb.

          • Big Mike

            I did not like the Long selection when it happened. He was inexperienced and I thought there was better talent on the board. I was wrong there. I was sensing another Shea McClellin type first round pick. Right after he took long, I was thinking PE was a turd. After the season played out long turned out to be a stud, Alshon showed up big time from the prior years draft, Bostic showed some promise and my opinion changed.

          • Big Mike

            Also.. Long is now one of my favorite guys. I wear his jersey on game days. It replaced Urlacher.

          • I like his little shuffle dance.

          • Big Mike

            You are right I did not like Long when they picked him. Too inexperienced, too much talent in the board at the time. I forget who had fallen but their was a consensus top 5 pick who dropped. I think it was a DT. There were also several OL options I liked. The pick felt like another McClellin. Remember at this point Alshon had only flashed a bit at being a solid #2.

            After Emery’s second season and Trestmans first the arrow looked like it was pointing up. Alshon emerged as a pro bowl level guy, Marshall, Bennet Slauson, Bushrod were proving to be solid FA acquisitions. Then he gets Allen, Houston and Young to shore up the line, spends his first three picks on Fuller, Ferguson and Sutton. It looked like hr had addressed most needs in the last 2 drafts. So yes I was pro-emery. Trestman turns out to be a dud and the the whole thing unravels. Other than his culpability in hiring Trestman, I think Emery should have been kept. His 4th draft I speculate would have been better than his last 2.

            At the same time no big argument about axing him and moving forward

          • Trac

            Emery flew CD into KC for a work out. I don’t get the blinders people put on concerning who’s pick CD was.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I don’t get that we’re still talking about Emery and Trestman, they’re not in the building.

          • Sactowns#1

            Gotta exercise those demons I guess.

        • Trac

          Think about it, we used a 1st round pick for two players that should have gone in the 2nd at the earliest. It’s crazy to use a 1st on a guard when your team has gaping holes on D. Fuller was a questionable selection and I gave Emery a pass on him but we should have taken mosley who was the best ILB in the draft by a long shot.

          • willbest

            You clearly have issues comprehending BPA. BPA is best player AVAILABLE.

            Not best value for the draft pick. I don’t care if you could get Long in the 2nd (something you can’t prove until you produce the other 31 draft boards). The question is was a player drafted after Long that was demonstrably better than Long before the draft and has proved it in the two years since?

            You have plenty of people that were demonstrably better choices before the draft, but name one guy who proved to be better after the draft. With the 2012 draft we can all say “Chandler Jones” it was obvious before, and even more obvious now. Where is that guy for 2013? And he doesn’t even have to be a guard. What DT/DE/WR/whatever from that draft is making second team all pro in his second year. Levon Bell?

          • Trac

            I understand your question. Point: GM’S had better know when to draft a guard. Newsflash!!! It’s not in the 1st round with the 19th pick.

          • willbest

            In the last 5 years 8 guards have been taken in the first around, including 2 before Kyle Long in 2013, and this year’s wonder boy Zach Martin selected 16th (who is a big reason the Cowboys are in Green Bay).

          • Trac

            That’s my philosophy and I’m not alone. Look at the mileage the Ravens have gotten out of mosley. LB was more important position to fill than guard. Emery did not properly evaluate our LB’S. Another reason to fire him in my opinion.

          • willbest

            Okay, but its not the only philosophy. And you are moving your goal posts from BPA to BPA at the most important positions as defined by you.

            Incidentally, Mosley was in this years draft not last years. Emery selected Fuller over him. And under the most important position logic, corner trumps linebacker. Plus like guard, LB is a position you can find plenty of great talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. If you want to compare Long to LBs your options are Alec Olgetree and Manti T’eo.

          • Trac

            Not true. No way in heck was CD bpa where he was drafted either. GM’s know that BPA is by far the correct way to draft instead of for need. That’s where Emery screwed the pooch.

          • willbest

            Why do you keep bringing up CD? I already conceded it with the point that every GM makes mistakes and its mitigated by the fact it was his first time in the big chair. Its like you don’t want to even talk about how ’13 was a competent draft, and ’14 was good. If you got a GM that keeps getting better at drafting, you can’t describe he as bad.

          • Trac

            Corner does not trump lb when your front 7 suck s. I disagree not only on principle but look at how our pass d sucked wangers.

          • willbest

            Pick your poison. You draft Mosley and the every team’s #1 WR beats you on the outside. You draft Fuller and every team’s Slot WR and TE crush you.

            But you are wrong. Its a lot easier to take away the middle of the field than it is to defend CJ, Nelson, Cobb, etc.

        • Irish Sweetness

          He drafted two DTs in a row, and one of them was not called Stephon Tuitt. We’ll see, but I think that was a bad call.

          • Tuitt was defiitely on my radar, but supposedly he had “health” red flags.

            Louis Nix had those same flags, and he lasted till like the 3rd and was promptly IRd.

            Just never know with inj risk guys. That’s almost the doctor’s call.

      • Big Mike

        BPA is the luxury if talented teams without as many glaring deficiencies as the Bears had. had they not taken an OL when they drafted long this blog would have melted. Had they bit addressed the secondary last year, people’s heads would have exploded

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      People are underrating Emery’s value and body of wprk. That’s a negative thing in my opinion.

      Where he failed was in fully understanding the environment he was working in.
      Big mistake…fireable offense, but not uncommon and easy to get right. The Bears are a dysfunctional organization and very few people can do both… -be good at their day to day job,
      -deal with the dysfunction and succeed in fixing it.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        Water under the bridge Barb…Emery is GONE…time to look forward on the future and not dwell on the past.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          agreed. but it should go both ways… for those that think he did bad and for those that think he was a ‘beast’ —> me.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Jim Finks was a beast barb. Go back and check that roster out, little or no FA signings. In comparison, Emery …? Nah. He came, we saw, he failed.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I agree that he failed…. that doesn’t mean he didn’t do a good job

            What you disregard is the fact he bought in 42 new players in 2 offseasons.

            How the fuck can you bring in 42 new players without signing FA ? You need 21 rookies per offseason. Do you realize what are you saying Irish ?

            It’s insanity !!!

      • it’s really too early to fully evaluate Emery. GMs have 3 main responsibilities:
        1) Hire coach. He gets an F here
        2) Draft. Incomplete here. Looks like a C- or D+ right now, but could be much higher or lower in 2-3 years.
        3) Get veteran talent in trades/FA. I’m giving him a B/B- here.
        The most important of those 3 things, long term, is typically drafting, and we just really don’t know how good or bad his drafts were yet.

        • CanadaBear

          Don’t think it’s too early to evaluate his first draft! 1 good pick. Alshon was a great pick but it doesn’t make up for all the other shitty picks that year.

          • But as others have pointed out, the first draft Emery didn’t have his scouts and system in place. He was told by Phillips/George he had to adopt Lovie, which is also part of the scouting input.

            If Emery was given a clean slate, if he installed his coaches and scouts from day one, then maybe that first draft would be more on him, but I see the stink of Lovie all over it (fast undersized “DE”, late round brittle S out of position, etc).

            The one guy Emery went after hard was…Alshon.

        • John Doe

          Interesting. No mention of Cutler contract in Emery evaluation.

          So many missed draft picks: Shea McCllelin, Brandon Hardin, Evan Rodgriguez, Jon Bostic, Khaseem Greene, Ka’Deem Carey, Brock Vereen. Carey and Vereen will be nothing more than back ups. Greene had fallen out with coaches and was inactive week after week while they played UDFA Dede Lattimore.

          • Bender McLugh

            I’d have to argue Bostic & Vereen are not misses yet

          • John Doe

            Look at Kiko Aloson for Bills who was picked at #46 and compare his play to Bostic who was picked at #50 and you will realize Bostic will be just a guy at the best.

            One reason Bears Special Teams have been so bad is because Emery missed so badly on the middle round picks.

            Middle round and late round picks form the backbone of a any good ST unit. Hardin, Rodriguez, Greene were all busts in 3rd and 4th rounds. Huge loss to Bears considering how poorly they have drafted in years before Emery too.

          • I really wanted Kiko. Was hoping we would trade up for him.
            I can’t count how many players we’re about 3 spots away from drafting that ended up in the PB while we got stuck with the consolation prize.

            That’s a big part why I wanted to get that #7 spot in the draft this time around, but I don’t know. This draft looks underwhelming thus far.

            Bear luck.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We didn’t seem to go hard after Poz in FA either, I was disappointed in that.

          • Bender McLugh

            ummm…not responding to the fact you are comparing a guy picked 4 picks earlier. Bostic has had absolute crap coordinators, no solid schemes for LB’s let alone the entire defense. Same with Vereen. Give these kids a real DC and see what happens.

            Do you think Chandler Jones would be the stud he is if Bears drafted him instead of the Pats?

          • John Doe

            Reggie Herring is one of the best LB coaches and yet Bostic was making the same dumb mistakes of over-running plays. There is only so much coaches can do.

            Bostic just ain’t bright to play at a decent level in NFL.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We have the worst LB corps in the NFL, hard to believe he’s a good coach. Good coaches take no-names and make them hard.

          • I don’t think Bostic will be a stud like Alonso. I’m starting to think he won’t even be a solid starter, which is what I’ve been hoping for, but am giving him one more year before passing judgment.

          • Bender McLugh

            I saw many on the D this year seemingly not trusting who they lined up with alot more than the norm. Remove that aspect and everyone on the D becomes visibly better. I think Bostic doesn’t have it mentally yet but I can’t rule out that he’ll snap into it given the right circumstances. He was always over running plays/coverage earlier and seemed to get better in that regard later this season. But yeah, he is definitely not a stud.

          • Vereen for sure. The last 2 games of the season he looked better than he had til that point. I don’t know if he’ll be a starter, I’m certainly not handing him a job, but I’m letting him compete for one.

          • CanadaBear

            Yeah, instead of tackling guys 40 yds down the field by the end of the year he was getting them on the ground after only 30 yds. I’d take Wright or Conte over him and I don’t make that statement lightly.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Bostic looks clueless if he’s doing anything other than rushing a gap, which lets face it, isn’t hard to do. Vereen is undersized.

          • Big Mike

            Bostic and Greene are casualties of terrible coaching and being played out of position. Carey and Vereen were 4th round drafted choices and this was their rookie season. Both showed promise. McLellin, Hardin and Rodriquez were all from his first draft.

          • I’m with you on how the horrible coaching has most likely REGRESSED the players; however, Emery hired those chumps, so to some extent, Emery is responsible for putting them (draftees/FAs) in a position to fail.

            That’s why even though I don’t believe Emery failed miserably, I could see the argument for terminating him.

          • CanadaBear

            Everything I’ve read about Herring was positive. Like Ditka said recently, coaching concepts aren’t difficult to understand, if the players keep making the same mistakes it’s on them. Bostic hasn’t improved at all. Greene can’t even beat out street free agents to be active on Sunday. Either Bostic over runs the play, makes the play 8 yds down field or hesitates to shoot the gap and misses an opportunity to make a good play. Saw that all year. Think back to when we had Hillenmeyer who was poached off the Fudgies roster. Was he great? Nope. Did he bring anything special to the table? Nope. Did he do a credible job for a few years? Yep. If Bostic was going to be anything at all we should have seen some flashes or glimpses by now.

          • I think that is the mystifying part.
            Bostic played LB at a very high level in college. His instincts were supposed to be honed, but he always looked like some converted RB playing LB in the NFL. Just looks clueless.
            It’s a mystery.

          • Big Mike

            I believe they call that coaching… All of our LBs looked like shit

          • CanadaBear

            I’d argue that Jones looked better than any of them not named Sharpton and Jones improved as the season progressed.

          • yep, but none of them-including Briggs-knew how to drop into coverage to save their lives these past 2 years.

          • CanadaBear

            How is that all on the coaches? Aren’t these guys supposed to have some skills by the time they get to the NFL?

          • I don’t know. But all of this uncertainty goes back to the original point: it’s going to be another 2 years or so before we know how well Emery drafted.

          • CanadaBear

            Not really. The evidence is mounting and it ain’t pretty. I know exactly what you’re saying JW (need to see development, etc.) about the guys he brought in and I agree with that to a point. However, he had 17 rookies on the squad and many at the cost of our ST’ers. That was a mistake for sure. Also, Cutler/Nessman. These draft picks, signings, etc. are going to have to be fabulous to get the grade up to a C. Don’t see that happening.

          • Big Mike

            Only because expectations were so low for him as an UDFA, and the first few times he was out there he was all over the road.

          • CanadaBear

            Can’t argue with that. His parents are both educators with post graduate degrees so he’s plenty smart enough. Just doesn’t seem to have the football IQ.

          • Big Mike

            And McCaskey/Philips hired Emery, so there it is. Carrying that further Virginia gave birth to King George.. 🙂 No doubt he had to go. My point has been he sucked less at his job (by a long shot) than Trestman’s coaching staff.

          • Professional Journal

            As were Frey and McCoy. Granted they were late round picks, but drafting those two CBs when Dennard was still on the board was frustrating for me. Dennard has some issues, but he worked them out and contributed a good amount his rookie year. The best Frey could do that year was make the PS and McCoy never made it.

          • it’s way too early to say on Carey or Vereen. Not looking good on Bostic, but I’m not ready to write him fully off yet. They say it takes 3 years to fairly evaluate a draft. His first one was a dud.

          • Big Mike

            Playing out of position. He’s a weak side linebacker. The Bears coaching staff has not helped him at all. Briggs/Urlacher terrible mentors.

            Great footage of his college highlights (he wore #1)

            http://www.patriots.com/media-center/videos/2013-Draft-Prospects—Jon-Bostic-LB/94f4f991-8fe9-4de7-8559-7b43383700d3

            One for the highlight reel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCEWISyExwk hitting Teddy Bridgewater in the Sugar Bowl

          • I’ve said it from day one. Bostic is a WILL.
            Unfortunately, we had Briggs getting fat over there.

          • Big Mike

            Which is why I’m not at all writing him off, and defend his honor when he is lumped in with CD. Greene, I have no idea where he’s gone. Being inactive tells me he either pissed off coaches, (who we all more or less agree sucked) or he’s just awful. Heard one story where he’s simply lost the edge since his college teamate LeGrand was paralyzed.

          • Heard/read that about LeGrand too.
            I have a sneaking supsicion that’s what happened (like when Knox touched his anus), though I’m no psychologist – I only play one on the TV

          • Urlacher retired before Bostic was drafted. Briggs has been around though.

          • Big Mike

            Point taken. But Briggs was no help.

          • Professional Journal

            Yes, Bostic is a WLB, IMO. Jones is a SLB. Now get a MLB in FA or thecdraft and we are set with the starting LBs.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Sharpton looked good at Mike.

          • Professional Journal

            Being 5’11 is really concerning for me especially in pass coverage. I wouldn’t mind him as a back up and ST. R. McClain and B. Spikes intrigues me.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Carey and Vereen were 4th round picks. How much do you expect from late round picks? To me if you can get quality backups/STers from the 4th round or later you can’t call them missed picks. You can strike gold with late round picks but you can’t expect starters from every late round pick.

          • SC Dave

            I think the argument is that you hope at least half can play specials for you.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I agree in general:

          1) Hire coach. He gets an F here from me also, even if understand his choice and strategy
          2) I’ll give his draft a -B/B. I think there’s potential in the D draft picks and believe the bum DC almost ruined most of them with his scheme. They are almost impossible to judge, most of them at least. He drafted 4 starters on O, so that gets high marks from me.
          3) I’m giving him a B+/A- on his FA pickups. The only debatable FA sign is Allen. I think the OL signs were good/great, Marshall, Bennett, Ratliff, Young, Mundy, Houston (he’s a debate in himself) were good/great also.

          • I was factoring in re-signing his own guys in veteran stuff. And he overpaid for many of those FA, though some of that is simply necessity in FA.

          • Yeah, most top FAs will be overpaid until like year 3.
            That’s just the nature of the beast.
            Some team will “overpay” Suh – that’s just the way it is.

            The 2nd tier guys is where GMs find value (like Young), but that’s always a crap shoot. Some guys want to return to old teams, home states, or play for SB contenders, or maybe even play for a certain coach or where they percieve they’ll get the best opportunity.

            It seems for the 2nd tier FAs it’s less about cash, for better or worse.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            hr overpaid Allen because he knew he needed leadership/front man on D (he should have just fired Tucker) and Cutler (didn’t have much leverage, the franchise tag was out of the question).

            Speaking of… franchising Melton, another error. I’ve forgotten about it.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Nah, Trac’s right, you don’t draft a guard in that spot. First comes vision, for example, what do I need to win a superbowl? Answer : a bitchin’ defense. Solution: draft defense. Not a fricking guard with the 19th pick etc. (regardless of how good Kyle may or may not be). And this needs to be said, Kyle played very well at times, manhandling Suh … he also does incredibly stupid things at times that defied belief. I watched him follow a blitzer down the line of scrimmage and back around the Left Tackle. It was like out of a cartoon or something – his brain may not be all that.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          That G can play T if you want to. But it’s not about that.

          It’s a statement you as the GM make. I’ll fix the OL, protect my QB.

          If a Bear fan has a problem with the Long pick…what a hell are we talking about ?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Dude. His talent evaluation of Cutler was well over a hundred million dollars worth of contract . .. for a guy we all want to see the back of. His evaluation of Jared Allen was that we should hire him and pay him ten million a year to underwhelm. I don’t like his evaluation skills, both were obvious to me as bad buys and I’m a teacher. He gets paid almost 500 times what I do, but can’t see the pitfalls?

  • Peanut FTW

    Ballard, then Bowles, Toub or maybe Quinn for HC. Quinns defense struggled when their top LB was gone where as Bowles D had to make due with a lot of moving parts. And Toub, just because I wanted him when Lovie left 🙂

  • Big Mike

    ICYMI, nice article on the closed nature of hiring a GM. Bottom line almost always guess work/beauty pageant.

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/07/bernstein-nfl-gm-hire-is-a-leap-of-faith/

  • Big Mike

    Some thoughts on Shanahan..

    http://www.chicagofootball.com/2015/01/06/hub-arkush-mike-shanahan-could-be-guy-for-chicago-bears/awvvc0g/

    “The small but growing groundswell of support for Shanahan for the Bears
    job has absolutely nothing to do with Cutler and Marshall, and is all
    about the McCaskeys choosing to stop handicapping long shots and wager
    on a proven winner.” Hub Arkush

    • BillW

      Good article. Makes me rethink this whole thing. If in fact Ballard = Toub, but Shanahan is better, then maybe Ballard isn’t the best GM candidate.

      This is where Accorsi has to be trusted (else why hire him). It’s almost like the GM / HC is a package. You can’t pick the best of each because they may not work well together.

      • Big Mike

        I have no idea at this point. Here’s how this plays out. Bears announce GM, I will look for the very best about that guy and be optimistic. When he picks his head coach I will do the same. 🙂

        • BillW

          Me too. I’m tired of being pessimistic and I want to trust they will do this right.

          • me too, but they need to earn that trust. I think they’ve done a mostly solid job on GM search so far, based on hiring Accorsi and the overall caliber of guys they’ve interviewed.

          • BillW

            It does seem to me that the guys they are interviewing are the ones generally accepted to be the most ready. They are not trying to prove they are smarter than other teams by looking for the hidden gem. I assume the HC hire will proceed the same way.

      • I have not heard anything saying that Ballard = Toub. Matter of fact, Toub hasn’t actually been contacted for an interview yet.

        But there has been a ton of speculation. Similar article upcoming tomorrow on Dan Quinn, who actually has been interviewed, tomorrow.

    • No fucking way do I want Shanny, and now his son is trying to squirm his way out of the Browns to join pappa.
      Apple doesn’t fall too fall from the tree.

      • BillW

        Well, there is that. Shanahan is said to be selling himself as an “and son” team and that is a huge negative.

        • Bender McLugh

          Big Time negative…………although they only teamed up on the Skins right? That’s not a good endorsement of their skills together.

      • Big Mike

        So there is that opinion 🙂

  • Here’s the Toub list, for those interested: http://dabearsbeat.com/2015/01/07/dave-toub-coaching-connections/

    • the big names
      OC: Brad Childress, Dirk Koetter, Marty Mornhinweg
      DC: Steve Spagnuolo, Ken Flajole, Perry Fewell, Rod Marinelli

      • Childress? I just threw up a little in my mouth.
        Koetter would seem to be the top of that on OC
        DC…doubt Marinelli returns, and even if he does, are we really wanting to recreate the Lovie era sans Lovie?
        Interestingly, Pasquoloni can get promoted to DC under Toub? I don’t think that would sit well with the natives.
        I’m not exactly sold on Fewell like some others. The Giant’s D hasn’t been anything to write home about, and if you’re gonna cite they were impressive during their SB run, well, I think so were we that long ago.

        • CHildress did some solid work with the Browns last year. He’s been a competent OC, not HC. I don’t love Fewell either, but he’s not terrible IMO.

          • Childress was the OC in PHI from 2003-2005 too, and they had some solid offenses.

          • not to mention Childress got a career year out of Old Man Favre in 2009, and Favre is a very similar QB to Cutler stylistically.

          • Cormonster

            Darell Bevell was OC for the Vikings at that time, which was one of the reasons I thought he might be a good fit for the Bears. He was also Favre’s QB coach for quite a few years in GB before Childress hired him as OC.

            Childress was OC for Wisconsin when Bevell was their QB and they went on to win Wisconsin’s first Rose Bowl. I liked Childress as a coach when he was at Wisconsin. His offense was always pretty good considering the talent.

        • Professional Journal

          IIRC, the Giants were a top 10 defense in ’13. In ’14 the Giants defense was hit hard with injuries. Obviously, I am a fan of Fewell.

      • Scott W.

        Mr. Wood, that was a very helpful synopsis of possible candidates to help Toub bring us back to relevance. Thank you. I actually took notes and Googled things as I read.

        Here are my thoughts on those you listed, which I support with only a cursory amount of research while and after I read your piece:

        Dirk Koetter, O.C.
        Juan Castillo, O.L. Coach

        Ken Flajole, D.C.
        Harry Heistand, D.L. Coach

        I’d like to see Peanut retained as DB Coach, but I know that’s pretty much a fantasy.

        I’d be okay with Marinelli returning as D.C., but it won’t happen, and it might be too late for that kind of move anyway, given the history.

        I can’t figure out a good Receivers or RB’s coach, nor can I put my finger on the right ST coach. If Toub is hired, though, I’m sure he’d be fairly good at picking one. Heh.

        Thanks for your and your colleague’s hard work Jonathan. Perfectly timed.

        • I don’t think Peanut wants to coach.

          And this isn’t an all-inclusive list by any means. He’s been at Missouri, Chicago, PHI, and KC since 1989. There are more coaches than this he knows who could fill out a staff, not to mention once he would hire OC/DC those guys could reach out to guys they know but Toub might not to fill position coach roles.

          The important hires would be OC and DC. Maybe 1 more senior assistant on each side of the ball. Stuff would kind of snowball from there.

          • Bender McLugh

            Peanut seemed very engaged on the sidelines, and while that doesn’t necessarily mean he wants to coach, you could see he had great effect on the guys. Has he said/twated/etc. anything indicating he doesn’t want to coach?

          • said it in an interview I read on Windy City Gridiron about a month ago: “Tillman’s career future as a player is unclear, but he was 100% clear about an option he would never pursue: coaching. Asked whether he would consider making the move into the coaching ranks, Tillman’s response was, “Absolutely not – coaching is not a desire I have right now. The only people I’m coaching are my kids. Coaches, they meet too much. They’ll have a meeting about how to make a meeting better. I definitely don’t want to coach… zero interest to coach.” In case there was any doubt, he punctuated his response by saying, “Zero. Zero. Zero.”

            http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2014/12/19/7419987/charles-tillman-interview-courtyard-coaching-cutler-fuller

          • Bender McLugh

            HA well then! Thanks for the find

          • Irish Sweetness

            The multi-million dollars sitting in his bank account …?

          • Scott W.

            I wondered. I figured he’d rather be involved in his family and charity than remain in the NFL.
            Peanut is very well-spoken and smart, so he may, for pocket money, wind up behind a mic someday.

          • I could see him doing a cushy media gig in Chicago.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        so… nobody that has won a game the last 2 years.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Maranelli is going to Tampa.

  • BillW

    Whenever the GM is announced I hope George and Ted are fully prepared to answer the inevitable and obvious question: is this the candidate that Accorsi recommended?

    It’s a simple question that had better be answered simply. And the only answer that the fans will accept is YES.

    Otherwise – why hire the consultant? They essentially publically admitted they screwed it up the last time. So this time they asked for help, and then they are going to ignore him and risk screwing up again?

    What will fry all the fans is if we get some BS business speak about collaborative effort and reaching a consensus etc that really says “No – he recommended Mr. X and since we wanted Mr. Z all along we went with our gut and rejected his advice.”

    • I don’t know why the Bears keep insisting on trotting out Phillips out there. Other organizations must laugh at the Bears every time they do, “Ah, look at the McCaskeys, still sticking with Fredo in Vegas…”

      • BillW

        Well, Linus never gave up his security blanket, so …

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yeah, George needs to bring Ted fishing out on the lake ….

  • Read WalterFootball’s Black Monday “Grades”. They’re provocative, to say the least.

    Bears fire GM Phil Emery: A- Grade

    For any aspiring NFL general manager out there, here’s a tip: Do not give $126 million to a heartless, indifferent quarterback, because it will get you fired.

    At least one person had to take the fall for the Jay Cutler contract, and Phil Emery was the obvious choice. Emery had a terrible 3-year run in Chicago. In addition to overpaying for Cutler, he bungled many
    early-round draft choices, including Shea McClellin, Brandin Hardin, Evan Rodriguez, Khaseem Greene and Ego Ferguson (though the jury is still out on the latter).

    Emery had some hits in the draft – Kyle Fuller, Alshon Jeffery, Kyle Long – but there were more whiffs than successful choices. He also put his team in a terrible situation with the Cutler contract, which was an
    obvious poor decision when it was made. In fact, I graded it a “C+” at the very bottom of the page, noting that Packer fans were thrilled with the extension.

    Bears fire HC Marc Trestman: C Grade

    Phil Emery absolutely had to go for bungling the Jay Cutler contract, but I don’t understand why Marc Trestman had to be fired. Trestman probably should be an offensive coordinator, but it’s not his fault that
    his general manager kept the wrong quarterback, throwing tons of money at the most indifferent player in the NFL.

    Trestman got the most out of Cutler in 2013, but Cutler just stopped paying attention. Is it Trestman’s fault? Perhaps a bit, but Cutler is so heartless that he wouldn’t have listened to anyone upon obtaining so
    much money. It was telling that Trestman had Jimmy Clausen playing the
    best football of his career versus a tough Detroit defense in Week 16. That proved that Cutler was the problem; not Trestman.

    Having said that, I’m not sure if Trestman was the long-term answer anyway, so I can’t say that I hate this firing. Cutler is almost certain to be around next year because of his ugly contract, so perhaps the
    Bears can actually bring in the Wizard of Oz – a.k.a. Mike Shanahan –
    who can give Cutler a heart. Shanahan worked well with Cutler in Denver, so the match would make sense. If Chicago can’t hire Shanahan, however,then the team will be doomed with a downgraded offense matching a
    horrific defense.

    http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2014recap.php

    • “I don’t understand why Marc Trestman had to be fired.”

      Aaaaaaaand I stopped reading.

      • not to mention calling Evan Rodriguez and Khaseem Greene early round picks is dumb (plus Ego Ferguson a bust. Way too early to say one way or the other).

        • Yeah, it was pretty shoddy. They do better with Draft stuff. One poster (maybe Waffle made it over there?) was more accurate about the Trestman firing.

          “Seriously, how much
          crack do you smoke before writing this? Anyone who mildly follows
          professional football and writes the line “I don’t understand why Marc
          Trestman had to be fired” is either definitely impaired or watching the
          wrong league. You could copy and paste virtually everything from the
          Joe Philbin assessment and it would apply verbatim to the situation in
          Chicago. EXCEPT, you could also add that he failed to discipline a top
          coordinator who leaked sensitive team information, allowed constant
          infighting between his players from training camp onward, orchestrated
          the worst back to back losses of any NFL team since 1925, benched his
          starting quarterback too late to salvage any portion of his season,
          then headscratchingly went back to the same quarterback the following
          week, risking injury and further long-term detriment to the team he was
          paid to coach. And on top of all this, by his own admission, he couldn’t
          complete the one task (literally one) – that he was mostly hired to
          address – getting the most out of Jay Cutler. Make no mistake, Emery
          wasn’t fired because of Cutler’s contract. Emery was fired because he
          picked Marc Trestman over Bruce Arians and there’s no way ownership was
          going to let him steer that ship again. “

          • CanadaBear

            The reply is very Johnny-like. Not to mention, spot on. I was going nuts reading the shit about Nessman. Glad you and JW jumped in.

    • ok, I went back and finished it. He said Cutler was the problem, not Trestman, because Clausen played great in week 16.

      Ummm.. he led one scoring drive longer than 11 yards. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    • willbest

      Anybody that thinks the Cutler contract was a massive bungling hasn’t been paying attention to QB contracts in the NFL. At worst Emery overpaid Cutler about 5-6 million dollars. Which will end up being less than he overpaid Jared Allen. It all looks jaw dropping because through contract structuring he ended up with the mantle of highest paid player for 2014 and that was juxtaposed against such a crappy offensive performance by the Bears.

      • to be fair, the next 2 big contracts signed were both basically year to year (Kap and Dalton), which would have been nicer for the Bears going forward. Emery’s was kind of the bridge to that with Cutler, since it was front-loaded instead of being back-loaded to screw the team over 3-4 years down the road like Stafford, Ryan, Romo, Flacco.

        • willbest

          Sure the guarantees were a bit excessive in Cutler’s contract, but assuming he doesn’t get injured 17 mil is what he is going to get paid anywhere he goes. He, surprisingly, didn’t get injured this year. You have to put a couple Schaub seasons together in order for people to stop paying you like a 10-20 QB, and then the second you perform, you get that money right back again (see Carson Palmer).

  • huntinbare

    Something that resonates with me….
    We as a franchise, are a foundation upon which everything football or “NFL” has been constructed. We are unique and that special quality can become buried by ” the needs of the day”. Losing sight of our identity and it’s principles needs to be protected against by the administration through quality hires that understand the unique nature of this franchise. The GM and his staff of coaches and scouts should draft and build with the intent to maintain the core nature of George Halas’ vision for this franchise.
    My first statement in the room with these new prospective hires would be…
    “Tell me everything you know about George Halas and his philosophy of the game; spend as much time as you like.”
    If they fall short on this point; no further time should be wasted beyond the cordialities.
    There are still people around who knew the man and his power behind the Bears has not been erased; but it seems we have gotten away from some of GH’s principles and gotten soft. Hopefully Ballard still holds our founding ideals in his psyche; he was here before and must have felt some of the mystique rub off on him…. I think he is a great choice to get us back to where we once were….tough, tenacious, and trouble to play against.

    • willbest

      I wasn’t aware that there have been no significant rule changes in the game of football since the last time George Halas ran things. So unless you are talking about a general work ethic or character or mindset that transcends the evolution of the game, then such a question is entirely irrelevant. Because presumable George Halas would be interested in winning the Super Bowl.

      • huntinbare

        This is not just any franchise and the x’s and o’s can be tweaked by rule changes; but I am looking for more than just a strategist. Halas filled a room and commanded respect and dedication to the fundamentals; whether it be skills or demeanor, everything was done to better the team. Because he not only ran a franchise; but constructed a league at the same time; his work ethic was off the charts. His vision was always greater than what was transpiring in the present; and he was visionary. So if you think that these rules would halt progress I believe he was all about staying current with the games trends. I would argue as a franchise we have been late to the table on adapting to the current style of play. So we are behind a bit; and the folks yoy bring into this building better know how committed GH was toward winning through adaptation.
        Once again if you don’t know about the founder you need not apply.

        • BearDown100393

          “throws around nickels like manhole covers.”

          • huntinbare

            Hah! good one ..I remember that line. My folks are still like that; even after the fear of the depression was long since past; they are still trying to save/re-use at any cost…
            I wish Ted and Phil would have treated Cutler’s “nickels like manhole covers”

          • CanadaBear

            My mom was that way. Right up to the end she was pinching pennies. That’s why I laugh when I see people that would rather fight you than pick up a tab. Those cheap bastards always say once they retire they will live it up. No you won’t. You will live your life by the same guidelines you always used.

          • huntinbare

            So true….get busy living or get busy dieing

          • Professional Journal

            Loved that movie!

          • Irish Sweetness

            My favorite Halas story. Ditka breaks the mold for a TE his rookie season having coined in $18,000. Goes in for his contract his second season. Halas pulls out a contract for 14K.

            Halas : “I’ll give you $14K”.
            Ditka : “14? That’s a cut!”
            Halas : “It’s not a cut it’s a raise”.
            Ditka : “I made 18K last year!”

            Halas: ‘You made twelve.”
            Ditka :”I made twelve basic plus 6 in bonuses, that’s 18.”

            Halas pulls out another contract for 18K. Ditka signs it.

      • Irish Sweetness

        It’s not irrelevant. We’re not a McDonalds franchise. Halas won the championship, and he picked the right HC and the right team to put together our Lombardi roster. He chose Mike because Mike understood ‘Bear’ football. We got close to those values again in 05/06 but we had a girl at QB, Tommie and MB broke down.

        So no, it’s a good question to ask any HC. It matters. Teams like JAX can’t ask those questions because there’s no such thing as ‘Jaguars football’.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Sound good but don’t forget, the franchise DID fall in to a similar state of disrepair for over a DECADE while Papa Bear was still in charge. The Jim Dooley / Abe Gibron years lie at the feet of George Halas. As does the “going cheap on scouting”, failed, Blesto-V experience. Yes, he brought back Mike Ditka but he was also the one who traded Ditka away.

      • huntinbare

        It felt like we were a bit lost during abe’s tenure; almost like we were in a fog and could not find our identity…I have just been through some literature that talks about the early days of the club and league and I gained a new level of appreciation for GH…he was flawed like all of humanity; and did not always select the best ideas when faced with a choice; but when he brought his focus to bear on a problem, he was all in and pulling hard to achieve success. He had a lot of pride; and his beliefs did damage some of his relationships with his business associates; but I believe I read once that he did make amends later in life for some of his transgressions.

  • John Doe

    Ed WerderVerified account‏@Edwerderespn
    Despite success with Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall, I’m told #Bears do not have Mike Shanahan on list of HC prospects

    • Praise be Jebus.
      That’s at least a glimmer of hope.

    • willbest

      And there was much rejoicing

    • AlbertInTucson

      A friend and fan back in the area just told me that the Bears did talk to Shanny but “problems arose” and he is no longer on their radar.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Then why did they interview him? I thought I read that.

  • Scott W.

    If Toub is hired as HC, we gotta get t-shirts made in Bears colors, that says,

    VIVA la TOUB!

    • AlbertInTucson

      I believe that would be “Viva EL Toub. Unless you hired Mrs. Toub.

      • BillW

        Or you are crediting Toub’s mom

        • Scott W.

          Well, she had SOMETHING to do with it…

      • Scott W.

        Nothing deflates one’s sense of cleverness like butchering language.
        Edit button…

  • John Doe

    Thought Tim Jennings looked the sensible one and above doing such stupid things..

    Michael C. Wright10m

    . @ESPNChiBears & I reporting Tim Jennings arrested on speeding, DUI, reckless driving charges in Gwinnett County, Ga. $2,705 in total bonds

    • Scott W.

      SIGH…

    • willbest

      I thought I have read somewhere that the NFL will hire any drunk player anywhere a cab to take them to their hotel/home. This sort of thing shouldn’t happen when you have a ton of money and its essentially part of your salary anyway.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Why wouldn’t the damn player pay for it .. y’know …. using a few dollars from their MILLIONS ? Damn.

  • Some DCs to consider (even though it’s about Gmen).

    ESPN Giants writer Dan Graziano expects ex-Falcons coach Mike Smith to be a candidate for New York’s defensive-coordinator vacancy.
    Smith is said to be “well liked and respected” by coach Tom Coughlin. The two have never worked together, but Smith took over as the Jaguars’ defensive coordinator in 2003, the season after Coughlin was fired by Jacksonville. Graziano mentions Bills DL coach Pepper Johnson, Ravens DBs coach Steve Spagnuolo, Falcons DC Mike Nolan, ex-Raiders coach Dennis Allen, Bills DC Jim Schwartz, and 49ers DC Vic Fangio as other candidates for the Giants’ DC gig. – Roto

  • willbest

    On the Jennings thing, I hope it isn’t too much to ask that the Bears have some sort of clawback on his guarantees for delinquent behavior.

    • NFL policy is 1 game suspension and game check.

      that requires some legal stuff though. Maybe he’ll be able to plea deal out of that. I hope not.

  • I think my dream team for now would be
    GM. Gamble
    HC. Ryan
    DC Fangio
    OC Koetter
    SP Chris Tabor (Toub disciple).

    I am curious how Toub would do as HC, but our team is such a mess, I feel like it would be a bigger gamble with him over Rex.

  • So this was Tim Jennings’ New Years resolution that he put out there to the world: http://i.imgur.com/UuCl0l3.png

    • CanadaBear

      Oops!

      • even most people “going to the gym every day” last longer than that

  • BillW

    Another call for patience:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-main-bears-spt-0107-20150106-story.html

    This is going to take the new GM and HC time. Yes – worst to first does happen but I don’t think that leads to SUSTAINED success. And that’s what we (or at least I) want.

    One could say that was Emery’s undoing. Trying for quick fixes – get a coach and some players to fix the offense, get a bunch of FAs for the defense, make Cutler feel wanted and secure. And it blew up on him. One day we’ll hear that he knew it was a high risk situation and he was not surprised it didn’t work.

    So let’s not raise expectations. I will cringe if I hear the new GM say what Teddy said – that they expect to compete for the SB in 2015. As Iron Mike would say – who ya crappin’?

    • Just gotta hit in the draft. Not just 1-2 guys, but 3-4 starters with a couple pro-bowlers in the mix.
      Really, what it might all come down to, is what QB we’re getting going forward since I seriously doubt Cutler lasts beyond next season.

      • BillW

        I was in my car earlier today and (gulp!) listened to Bernstein. He and Boers were saying he hoped the new GM wasn’t going to feel pressured to win a SB before Ginny dies. Putting aside the fact I hate them, I have to say I worry that may be part of the interview process. “How fast can you do this because my Mom is pissed and by the way she’s now 92.”

        • Johnnywad

          That old bird’s gonna live forever.

    • willbest

      Why don’t you think they could compete for a SB next year? The offense is missing leadership and a tackle. The defense is missing leadership and a couple LBs and safety. If your coaching staff provides the leaderships (and if they don’t they aren’t competing in any year let alone 2015), then why is the rest so hard to find in the draft/FA?

      • BillW

        This is where opinions come in. I just don’t see a strong roster. As the article points out, we have maybe 6 – 7 good players, several “maybes” and then a bunch of nobodys that we think/hope can be good and of course a bunch that we know will never b e good.

        It will take two drafts at least plus getting out of the cap issue Cutlers contract gives us.

        But as you say – swing for the fences and hope for the best in the draft and FA is another tactic (that we just saw fail).

        Or let me say it another way – to quote Tom Hanks – if it was easy, everyone would do it. We’d have 32 SB contenders every year.

        • willbest

          Most teams have ~10 playmakers and ~43 guys that just need to be where they are supposed to.

          We know that offensive unit is capable of 25 ppg if it would stop being so predictable. We know the Defense lacked leadership and was improperly coached, but that there is talent on the D-line.

          • CanadaBear

            But is it premier talent. The washed up hillbilly gave 100% when he was out there. Really appreciated that. However, he’s way over paid. Houston is a great run stuffing DE that’s getting paid like a pass rushing DE. Ratliff was our best DT. Paea was very good last year. All the rest are rookies or very young guys that didn’t do much.

            The only way our O ever scored on a long drive was to be perfect with no penalties or plays for a loss. With almost no margin for error we were doomed.

            As far as playmakers are concerned we certainly don’t have 10.

          • willbest

            I will cut Allen some slack, pneumonia took him out of football shape for a good 5 weeks. But even when he got back to form he didn’t perform enough (then again its hard to be a pass rusher when your team is down 14+ points).

          • I think the entire DL was hurt this year by the fact that QBs often had the chance to throw to an open guy before the DL could get home.

            I remember in the first Detroit game, Allen made a huge play in the 1st quarter against the UDFA rookie LT Detroit had. Then I saw 4-5 more plays the rest of the game where he literally beat the OT as fast as possible (like just pushed him aside and didn’t slow down at all) but still didn’t get to STafford because he had the ball out so quick to a wide open WR.

          • Scott W.

            Good recap Mr. Wood.

          • And how much of that was defensive scheme (or lack thereof). And even I could complete a pass vs our LB’s “coverage”

          • playmakers on offense: Alshon, Marshall, Forte, Bennett
            playmakers on defense: Ratliff (if healthy), Paea (if re-signed), Fuller?

          • willbest

            Willie Young. And I would toss Kyle Long out there. Don’t underestimate the value of a o-line that can push the line.

          • I don’t think Young is a consistent playmaker. You’re right on Long.

          • Johnnywad

            Plus Young won’t be worth a shit for at least a full year

          • BerwynBomber

            Probably not. But Young was a good signing. Sort of a updated Alex Brown/Mark Anderson 3rd down rotation guy.

          • Johnnywad

            He was an excellent pick up by Emery. Particularly so when considering production versus $.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He would be if we had a premier DE at the other end, but they didn’t need to double Allen.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But we don’t have an O-line that can push, we have Kyle, that’s it.

          • CanadaBear

            Can’t argue with that list. In Fuller’s case it’s more of a projection but not an unrealistic projection.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Disagree completely. That OL sucks and I don’t care what their ‘grades’ are. Kyle is okay, Slauson might be serviceable .. .and that’s all she wrote. The QB can’t be trusted, we have nobody behind Matt that can carry the load, if one our top two WRs goes down, so do we. We have no defensive roster, coaching aside, and if you think that D-line has talent then I don’t know what to say to that ….

      • Irish Sweetness

        ???
        We’re missing a LOT more than a tackle on the OL. Minimum three players.
        Defensively we’re missing a premier DE, three LBs, 1 or 2 safeties, a CB.

        At least 8 solid-great starters required. That’s huge, that’s an absolute minimum of two GREAT drafts away.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          a good center would help out a lot too.

    • find me the last time a 5-11 team won the SB the next year.

      Find me the last time a team with 4 years out of the playoffs won the SB the next year.

      Teams that win the SB are ones that are battle tested. In the playoffs year in and year out, and eventually things break their way.

      • BillW

        Very well said. And the article has some stats that back that up.

        • BillW

          Well, not stats – data. (I hate when people confuse the two and I just did it myself!)

        • the only time in the last 10 years where a team has won the SB without being in the playoffs the year before was 2011 NYG, I believe. And they had the core of a team that had won the SB 3 years prior.

          • other SB winners in current format:

            IND-there 12/13 years
            PIT-there 8/13
            BAL-there 8/13
            TB-won in 2002 on tail end of dominant stretch
            NE-there 11/13
            NYG-there 6/13
            SEA-there 8/13

            a few others I don’t remember, don’t have the numbers on this computer, but they’re pretty much all teams that are in the playoffs more often than not.

      • TheBigCheesy

        THe 2001 NE patriots were 5-11 in 2000. They had been out of the playoffs the previous two years

        • willbest

          All that is necessary then is to find the next Tom Brady… oh wait Fales was selected in the 6th round.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Who’s to say Fales isn’t the next Tom Brady? Nobody knows. Joe Montana was a third string QB at Notre Dame and I’ve never seen one better.

        • so they had a first ballot HOF QB come in. Sweet.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Exactly. Anyone who thinks we’re competing within 1-2 years is deluded and doesn’t understand how SB rosters are built and what teams look like in the run-up to their trophy.

      • Viva

        There is a first for everything.

    • BearDown100393

      Until proven otherwise, this pretty much analogizes the state of the Bears IMO:

      Eddie:
      Don’t go puttin’ none of that stuff on my sled, Clark. You know that
      metal plate in my head? I had to have it replaced, cause every time
      Catherine revved up the microwave I’d piss my pants and forget who I was
      for a half hour or so. So over at the VA they had to replace it with
      plastic. It ain’t as strong so I don’t know if I should go sailin down
      no hill with nothing between the ground and my brains but a piece of
      government plastic.

      Clark:
      You really think it matters, Eddie?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      sorry Bill… Emery brought in 42 new players in the last 2 offseasons.

      I feel people don’t understand this basic fact. 42 NEW PLAYERS… while trying to win now.

      you’ll have all kinds of situations: rookies, quick fixes, re-signings, trades. The trades were the only area I didn’t like how Emery ‘moved’. I thought there should have been far more trades.

      • willbest

        Trades are the hardest part though. You might know what you want, but the other side has to be willing to negotiate on terms that are reasonable to you.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          it’s a skill. Emery seemed to have it as his first move was Marshall’s trade, but he went passive after that. Too passive for my liking.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Having Jay Cutler got us Marshall, not Emery. Just like having Kyle Orton got us Cutler.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Yeah, but 1 year before… having Jay Cutler not only didn’t get us Marshall, ‘we’ couldn’t even keep his favorite/No 1 weapon in Greg Olsen.

            Having Jay Cutler got us Knox, Hester, Williams, Kellen Davis, Earl Bennett, before it got us Marshall, Jeffery, Martellus Bennett. Wilson.

            What changed ?

    • Johnnywad

      Worst to first with any credible measure of long-term stability thereafter, can only happen in the single instance of piss poor coaching being replaced by quality coaching…….assuming relatively ordinary roster turnover. We certainly meet the first benchmark. Let’s see if Ernie gets us to the second.

  • CanadaBear

    Winston declared for the draft. Since I don’t follow college ball, will this push another player down to us at 7 or is he going after our pick?

    • likely before our pick, IMO. Nothing at QB after him and 3-4 teams in front of Bears desperately need a QB.

      • CanadaBear

        I knew one of you guys could shed some light on it for me. Thanks! Is there any chance we’d take him at 7? I know he has “issues” but is his talent such the conservative Bears would take a chance on him?

        • you need to ask me that again once the new GM shows up, and even then it’s probably “I have no clue.” Also could depend on what they do with Cutler.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            I think TB will take either Winston or Mariota. Lovie may tame Winston and he will be a clear hometown favorite. However, Winston’s immaturity has gotten worse as the year progresses…..and his performance as of late may be signs that he thinks he is already bigger than the game and the NFL will decimate guys like him (sans Manziel, Tebow, etc.)

          • Scott W.

            Perfectly articulated. However, I think with all the social issues of late – domestic violence being the current front-runner – that Winston, with his determination to degrade women, will not be very popular.

            And NO, I do NOT want him wearing Burnt Orange & Navy Blue. Ever.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            yeah… Lovie will not draft the rapist…alleged. You can’t ‘sell’ that shit in church.

          • Lovie never really took guys like that.

        • Johnnywad

          I don’t think so. I’ve always thought he looked relatively clumsy, (as elite athletes go). Plus, he’s obviously stupid. Brains is big at the position. I don’t think anybody grabs him early.

        • SC Dave

          I hope not.

        • Doc Hamstring

          No chance. If he didn’t have the baggage, then yeah, the Bears would be tempted–even if Cutler were playing up to his contract.

          But there aren’t a lot of teams that take 1st-round risks on guys with off-the-field issues. The Bears aren’t one of them.

      • willbest

        I am not so sure. Lovie gets the final say, so d-line is a real possibility there. Jags & Raiders aren’t going to draft another QB. That leaves the Titans (who will almost certainly take one at #2), Skins and Jets. While neither the skins nor Jets have long term answers there, they could decide that whoever the Titans don’t pick isn’t worth that high of a pick

        Of course somebody like Houston might trade up for one of them.

        • TB will take a QB. TEN needs a QB. Jets need a QB. WAS might need a QB. I’ll be shocked if 2 of those don’t take the Mariota/Winston QB combo.

          • Big Mike

            If trestman ends up in TB,the Buca taking a QB is not as certsin

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      it depends… can you sell ‘rapist’ to your fan base ?

      PS: He isn’t going in the top 6… because, newsflash, you can’t sell rapist…can’t do it. He’ll be a late 2nd rounder, early 3rd.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        Steelers fans don’t have a problem with Roethlisberger.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Roethlisberger’s case was different. Wayyy different.

          PS: I accept bets n the matter.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            yep wayyy different. Roethlisberger has been accused of rape 3 times Winston only 1.

          • willbest

            I liked the NFL much more when it took the position that conduct off the field was between the player and the legal system.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            that’s false. He wasn’t accused of rape 3 times.

            And I was talking about that college girl he had sex with in the back room/toilet of a bar.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            sorry 1 of those times was not rape just sexual assault.

          • Doc Hamstring

            You understand that sexual assault is a category that includes rape, right?

            And that sexual assault is not just “rape lite.”

            Right?

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            One of the cases was a hotel employee where Roethlisberger was staying. He called her to his room, tried to convince her to have sex, being sleazy and gropey.

            The notorious case with the college girl was different because the ‘victim’ never said he raped her. He was wasted and couldn’t remember. Her 2 friends told her she might have been raped. Most likely those 2 sorority bitches wanted to mess with her, maybe because Ben chose her over them.

            Roethlisberger and entourage went on a bar tour in his college area. In one of these bars there were these 3 girls. The 3 girls went and talked with the QB star all excited. He told them he’s having fun, touring the bars. Roethlisberger and entourage leave this bar/club. The 3 girls follow them on their own. Roethlisberger and entourage invite them into their reserved area where they continue parting and drinking. After a period of time Roethlisberger and this girl, who by now is super wasted, go in the back and have sex. The next day the other 2 girls tell the 1 girl (the ‘victim’) he was raped. She alerts the police even if she doesn’t remember anything.
            Common sense tells you that it’s more likely the 2 other girls -bithes- wanted revenge against the 1 rather than Roethlisberger forcing himself on the 3rd girl. Especially since they went in a back room…so nobody saw them.

            It’s obvious Roethlisberger is a fucking sleazy moron. But a cold blood rapist is a little exaggerated in my view.

            PS: Winston’s case:
            “Meggs (police or DA)went on to say that there was no evidence that sex between Winston and the victim was “a forceful act.” Sure, that could be true, if you ignore the bruises that a sexual-assault nurse noticed on her left knee and right elbow, the blood on her shorts, and the fact that Winston’s DNA was found in her panties. And that she called two friends immediately after the encounter; we don’t know what she told them, but it was serious enough that one of the friends called her parents and the other called the cops. She also described Winston’s apartment accurately. She remembered that he owned a black scooter.”

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            yes i understand that, but not all sexual assaults are rape. an unwanted slap on the ass is a sexual assault.

          • SC Dave

            Ben is dogshit, Barb. Dog. Shit.

          • Doc Hamstring

            Dave is absolutely 100% right. Steelers fans with brains recognize the Ben is a pile of shit and want him gone… as soon as they have a QB who can play.

            In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if much of the commentary between now and draft day dissing Winston came from the Steelers, trying to cause Winston’s stock to fall so they could grab him up.

          • SC Dave

            Rape is rape

      • willbest

        I don’t know, far more people voted for Bill Clinton than exist in any one metro area (fan base). The stuff he has actually been caught doing is more troubling to me, than the alleged rape.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          you have a strange way if thinking.

          • willbest

            Not really. I tend to believe things that have been proven rather than things that haven’t. And the simple fact that she is suing the school for violating procedural BS that it shouldn’t even have to comply with in the first place rather than appealing the finding of the independent magistrate tends to make me believe she is lying.

          • SC Dave

            LIsten dude, go read about Ceausescu before jumping Barb’s ass on this.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I tend to believe the things I think to be true.

      • SC Dave

        Steeler Nation seems to have no problem with it

      • Doc Hamstring

        The Raiders would ditch Carr for Winston.

        Cleveland might trade up.

        Jacksonville is a clusterfuck.

        There are three examples of teams that would strongly consider taking him before the Bears pick. Rape allegations or not. Crab legs or not.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          The Raiders aren’t ditching Carr for anybody that isn’t ‘elite’ QB.

          Jacksonville already have their project franchise QB.

          Cleveland would be a nice storyline…camp battle between Manziel and Winston. The loser pays for the party.

          I’m baffled you didn’t say Tampa…why ?…because you know Lovie is a church going man ?

    • SC Dave

      Wanting Winston is like wanting RG III. Or actually, worse.

      • Big Mike

        That wasn’t the question. Question was really will Winston be taken in the first 6 picks, expanding our options by 1

  • CanadaBear

    I like Jeff’s tweet, getting a DUI at noon is troubling. Sounds like an all-nighter for sure.

  • BillW

    Twitter can be misused. It’s no place for a dialog. To wit – Jeff says:

    Did people want Phillips to say, “You know, we have no chance to win anything next season. Or year after. We’d like to gradually improve.”

    And other twits about the same issue. Discussed here by a few of us.

    Here – in more than 140 characters or whatever – is my thinking:

    I expect them to be honest and not “rah – rah” or worse – treat us like fools. They fired the GM and the coach because things are not good. To imply they can be fixed in one off-season is either naive, or lying.

    I’d rather hear something like this:
    It can take time to build a sustained winning team. Looking at the successful organizations, we see that is the model we are aiming at. That does not preclude us from competing next year, but we are not going for a quick fix. We are going to build the Bears to be perennial contenders.

    Of course, that’ more than 140 characters, I am beginning to wonder if Twitter is making people think everything has to be said briefly.

  • Scharfinator

    Jennings arrested for DUI. Isn’t he a bit old for that?

    • CanadaBear

      Alcohol and poor decisions don’t discriminate. They can bite you in the ass at any time.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Because things weren’t sad enough at Halas Hall. Tim?

        • Johnnywad

          “Drove him to drink.” as they say in the old country

      • Scott W.

        Yes.

      • Johnnywad

        My brother in-law got his third or fourth DUI in his mid thirties 3 days after getting the breathalyzer device removed from his car which was a result of his second or third DUI. He passed out at the Taco Bell pickup window with his foot on the break after a hard night of drinking. Cops were called. Found him still sitting there, passed out at the wheel, car in drive with the window down, as though he were still just waiting for his food.

        It bites some people in the ass a lot. The dumbass.

        • Scott W.

          Full disclosure. I’m an alcoholic, with 10.6 years in recovery.
          My former best friend, whom I met at a meeting, once got 2 DUI’s in 4 days.
          The 2nd one, they found him at a rest stop off the interstate, car in drive, running, passed out with his foot on the brake.
          I loved the guy – still do – but it was a lot harder for him to stay sober than it was for me. I don’t judge him for it, but drunk drivers (like I was) must be held accountable.
          He got slaps on the wrist, promptly got 2 more DUI’S. Spent time in jail. Woulda been prison, but the DMV missed one of the DUI’S.
          It’s harder for some than others. Broke my heart to see him that way, and eventually our friendship drowned in it.
          I hope your brother in law gets it right soon, man.

          • CanadaBear

            It will be 21 years for me next month. I got picked up twice. 17 years apart! The second one ended my drinking career. I was crazy lucky I never hurt anyone in an accident.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah. Me too. I got busted once, drunk outta my eyes. But somehow I passed the field sobriety exercises. Back then, the breathalizer wasn’t as mandatory as it later became. The cop, a rookie, asked me to take one, and I said I would if my lawyer was present. That threw him for a loop. I wasn’t saying no, but not quite unequivocally yes either. He locked me up for driving on a suspended (unpaid speeding tickets), but didn’t charge me with the DUI. L-U-C-K.
            But I had some damned close calls.
            Congrats on your 21, Canada. Keep enjoying it. Every day, man.

          • Johnnywad

            Good for you Scott. Keep up the hard work. I’ve never had to battle an addiction, so I can’t relate personally. But I’ve seen it up close and know its damn near impossible for most folks. My brother in law is a Class A douche bag and complete loser. I doubt he’ll ever correct his course. It’d be hard to do when he’s incapable of giving a shit about anything or anybody aside from himself.

          • Scott W.

            Thanks for the encouragement Johnny. Trust me, when people say things like that, it matters, and it has an effect.
            I’ve met a lot of people in the rooms that their families and friends had given up on because they saw no end. I lost some myself. When I went to my first meeting, I drank 4 shots to get up the guts to go. Met a lot that thought they had no bottom, and had quit on themselves.
            Yet, there they were, sober, and trying to get right.
            Please don’t think I’m patronizing you. Yer awesome just for the pat on the back.
            But we had a theme in the meeting rooms, which was basically that the only people that can’t do it are either dead or mentally, neurologically broken beyond repair.
            Your brother in law might yet make it. Some do, even those (like me) that had stolen everyone’s hope, including my own.
            Thanks again Johnny. I don’t speak of this much, and your encouragement, even after 10 years, is very gratefully received, and it makes a difference.
            I hope he finds his way, and I’m sorry for your sister. She must wake up every day feeling wholloped.

      • BerwynBomber

        So true and can’t say I’ve been above that mix myself. In terms of pure age and (seeming) intelligence, Walter Jacobson was popped a couple of times for DUIs in the last ten years and he is a man who is pushing eighty.

      • Very true. I once did community service with a guy who had FIVE DUIs.
        He got a lot of them in the 70s when as he called it, “They were no worse than a speeding” but got nailed like 20 years later when MADD made them a bit worse.

        Guy must’ve been in his 50s. Family man too.

        • SC Dave

          Today, if you have dinner out, and two beers with it over two to three hours, you are “DUI”. MADD has been out of control for a long time.

          Telling are:

          “Originally called Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD), it was later changed to Mothers Against Drunk Driving on the recommendation of a consulting firm. The object of her organization was to raise public awareness of the serious nature of drunken driving and to promote tough legislation against the crime.”

          (a clear shift from repeat offenders to everyone) and…

          Candy Lightner says that “police ought to be concentrating their resources on arresting drunk drivers—not those drivers who happen to have been drinking. I worry that the movement I helped create has lost direction.” 3 She is disturbed by MADD’s shift from attacking drunk driving to attacking drinking in general.

          Ms. Lightner left MADD and is concerned that the organization that she herself created is changing its focus. “It has become far more neo-prohibitionist than I ever wanted or envisioned,” she says. “I didn’t start MADD to deal with alcohol. I started MADD to deal with the issue of drunk driving.” 4 Lightner emphasized the importance of distinguishing between drinking alcohol on one hand and drunk driving on the other.

          After Ms. Lightner criticized MADD, the organization went out of its way to try to minimize her role as the founder of the organization. It posed the question “Who founded MADD?,” to which it replied “Although Candy Lightner is probably the best known of MADD’s organizers, MADD was established by a group of women in California outraged after the death of a teenage girl killed by a repeat offender drunk driver.” However, MADD has more recently softened its stance against her.”

          http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/Controversies/1119636699.html#.VK37GCvF-Cc

          http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/05/28/madd-founder-dont-lower-the-legal-bac-limit

          • Doc Hamstring

            Your numbers are wrong.

            http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/

            Just about anyone could have 2 beers in 3 hours and not have a BAC at all, because the body metabolizes, on average, one drink per hour.

            Scientific research has shown that people ARE impaired at BACs that are now the legal limit in most states (i.e., .08%). Now, you have a beef because that’s a low threshold for impairment, and that someone sleepy is similarly impaired to someone considered legally “drunk” for driving purposes? Fine. But don’t whine and bitch about progress.

            http://report.nih.gov/nihfactsheets/ViewFactSheet.aspx?csid=24

            Fewer people are dying on the roads due to alcohol impairment. This is fact. Sorry more alive people are cramping some people’s ability to get their drunk on and then drive home.

          • SC Dave

            Evidently, it’s all states now:
            http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/DrivingIssues/1104284869.html#.VK52kivF-Cc

            Point taken on whining about progress, Doc. Though it should be noted that the very fact sheet you cite lists 12 bullets under “Today” and all but one are specifically tied to people under the age of 21. The increase in the drinking age appears to be far more responsible for the improvement than the drop in BAC levels.

      • SC Dave

        Except that for most of the rest of the world, the employer does not provide a fee cab ride home.,

    • Irish Sweetness

      Are you serious? Too old to be an alco? I didn’t stop drinking until I was 36. Most never do.

      • SC Dave

        It’s about learning control, I think. I’ve driven home, by now, thousands of times “over the limit”. No collisions, no tickets, no running people off the road or anything else. Lots of knowing *my* limits and not driving stupidly.

      • Scharfinator

        Too old to not have been caught yet, I suppose is what I meant.

  • Here’s the thing about Ryan vs Toub.
    Toub could very well be the next Billichick. A guy who can adapt from defense to offense and vice versa.
    But that’s a pretty big COULD.
    Ryan fits more the traditional route. A great PROVEN coach on one side of the ball, just needs the equivelant to pull his weight on the other side ala (name practically every recent SB winner).

    The thing is, the Bears swung big with “unconventional” choices in Emery and Trestman, ane 5 wins and smoldering pile of garbage later, we see the results.

    I’m not risk averse, but man, that does make me a little gun shy to bring in yet another inexperienced HC with Bears connection in Toub, though I love Toub’s “ceiling” (dynasty).

    • Shady

      Great? Rex Ryan great? Mmmmno. The only thing he’s proven is that, much like Lovie Smith, he can’t figure out an offense. I understand the desire for a HC with a proven track record, but do we really want to back to that? For what it’s worth, the disinterest is apparently mutual between the 2 parties anyway.

      • Great at DC, not necessarily HC, though his guys did play hard for him no matter what, and that’s something we definitely need.

        A great HC needs a great GM, structure, and that’s something he can theoretically have elsewhere. Like I said, the Jets were a huge managerial mess, and that’s why a lot of folks felt bad for Rex. He was essentially given Geno and told to win with that vs Brady.

        That’s why they’re the J-E-T-S.

        Toub is intriguing, but we have no idea how he’d be at HC. At least REX went to two AFC Championship with Sanchize, and as someone else pointed out, Chip Kelly couldn’t even reach the playoffs with a more experienced Sanchize in a division without the Pats.

    • SC Dave

      The main reason everyone thinks Toub is great is a guy called Devin Hester.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        i agree -i brought up that point in one of the last threads, apparently he coaches great blocking too, and according to some Devin would not have been Devin with out the great blocking.

        • SC Dave

          Remember all the ST guys that talked about “if I just make one block, Devin can take it to the house”? That had virtually NOTHING to do with Toub, and EVERYTHING to do with Hester.

          Does anyone really think Toub could have got that out of guys blocking for Eric Weems?

          • Johnnywad

            Gotta give him props on the Johnny Knox “return that wasn’t” due to a bullshit penalty away from the play. Probably still the most creative special teams play I’ve ever seen.

          • SC Dave

            True, but only possible because everyone on GB was worried about Hester. Who else’s fake would anyone have cared about?

          • Johnnywad

            It was, by a different team. Don’t remember who.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            The Packers ran it this year, IIRC.

          • Professional Journal

            St. Louis Rams ’14.

          • EnderWiggin

            Also, the worst mystery-flag of all time.

          • Scharfinator

            WHAT a ballbuster that was.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            with Hester back there the other team had to be perfect, get out of your lane and your in trouble

          • Scott W.

            Are you drunk?
            It had everything to do with Toub, Dave. What, you think the return team coaches itself?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Exactly. Has anyone ever posted Toub’s stats on coverages? Do they even exist?

      • Scott W.

        No. It isn’t. Your sweeping generalization here is hooey.
        Google Special Teams Head Coach qualifications. Look at their job description. Find an old playbook online somewhere.
        It wasn’t Hester that made Toub great. It was great to have Hester, but take a look at KC’S Special Teams rankings.
        While you’re there, check the roster. Google the ST players.
        Any other questions?

  • Here’s a very early scouting breakdown of Winston. Those pluses would be hard to pass up at #7.

    http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015jwinston.php

    • Scott W.

      Fuck Winston. He’s a child that wants to be a moron when he grows up.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Why Dave Toub? Still confused. Someone enlighten me please.

    • Johnnywad

      Because Viva has willed it into existence.

      • Thisguy_justsaid

        Seriously man I want to know what the hype is. I know he is a good specials teams coach but what else?

        • Viva

          In all seriousness, Dave Toub for HC.

          • Thisguy_justsaid

            If he is so great then why hasn’t he landed anything before? Oc? Dc?

          • Viva

            I have no idea what his goals are, but there have been several STC who have become HC’s. (Ditka, Jn Harbaugh)

          • Scott W.

            …Mike Tomblin…

          • Scott W.

            He passed on interviews with everyone but KC.

          • Scott W.

            By the time he left Chicago, vacancies were all but gone.
            And Toub is WELL KNOWN for making average players damned good. He’s a brilliant tactician who, as ST Coach, has to work with every facet of the team.
            Dave Toub for HC.

          • Irish Sweetness

            But a HC is a mish-mash job requiring many things. I’m more interested in teh GM and how they plan to re-build this team TBH. No coach can overcome a shitty roster.

          • CanadaBear

            I agree with all of this. When people ask me I always say his ST’s were always more prepared than the other team. Always more disciplined and constantly adding more wrinkles. It wasn’t by chance.

            Tommie Harris couldn’t say enough good things about him.

            http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/why-one-ex-player-thinks-dave-toub-could-have-ditka-impact-bears

        • Scott W.

          There is no “what else”. ST coaches have to know it all. They don’t just pick rag tag players as roster filler, or say nice things to the kicker, punter, and returner.
          They are in a class by themselves, and Toub is the very best of them.

          • Thisguy_justsaid

            But can he call plays? I would think he needs to be an OC or DC before even becoming a head coach. I’m not against him and I believe he is great at what he does but I think ST to HC is a big ladder jump and he should prove himself as a OC or DC first.

        • BillW

          Toub is a proven leader. You have to be to EXCEL at ST as he consistently does – both in Chicago and now in KC.

      • Viva

        I’ve never been alone.

        • Johnnywad

          Far from it.

        • Scott W.

          Here!

        • Scharfinator

          Go Toub Go!

      • Scott W.

        …and Scott.

      • BearDown100393

        And agreed to grow a mustache and wear a sweater vest if hired.

  • BillW

    For those saying toub was only good due to hester
    Kc’s st was ranked 3rd this year and 1st last year by football outsiders

    Not sure how they rank or how respected they are. JWood probably can address that

    Sorry I don’t know how to cut/paste links on my tablet.

    • Viva

      It goes so far beyond Hester its not even funny. Field position matters. Turnovers matter. Blocking field goals matter. Making field goals matter. Momentum matters. Fake punt flawlessly executed to extend possessions matter. Long snapper audibles matter. Being exceptional matters.

      And really, can coaching the first kick-off/punt returner into the Hall of Fame be a bad thing?

      • Scharfinator

        That fake return against the Packers. What brilliance. Refs took it away because it could ruin NFL storylines, but what a play.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Who’s saying Toub isn’t Top 3 ST coordinator in the NFL ? They’re clueless.

      • BillW

        Dave and Irish both suggested Hester made Toub. His results in KC suggest otherwise.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I was talking in general terms. Don’t try and put “Dave and Irish” on my head… I’ll never hear the end of it.

          • BillW

            Sorry – just a clarification.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I know.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Gary Gibbs won’t be Jay Gruden’s defensive coordinator
    PFT
    Chiefs linebackers coach Gary Gibbs made the decision to pass to interview for the position.
    Gibbs, who followed Barry Switzer as head coach of Oklahoma in 1989, has been with the Chiefs since 2009 and will presumably return to Andy Reid’s staff for the 2015 season.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

    Could he be a possible DC candidate if Ballard gets the job and he refused Washington for that reason?

    • Doc Hamstring

      Washington is a colossal clusterfuck, trending to be worse than the Raiders. You don’t pass on a job with Washington because you’re confident you’ll get something else; you pass on a job with Washington because you’d rather get hit by a bus while eating a shit sandwich.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        it was just a thought.

        seeing that nobody has any clue who the OC or DC would be if Toub gets the HC job.

  • Irish Sweetness

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    If Todd Bowles is meeting with Bears tomorrow, do we expect the GM named tonight?

    Didn’t the Bears office say they would announce on Saturday?

  • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

    http://chicago.suntimes.com/bears-football/7/71/271062/forget-past-ties-bears-time-hire-mike-shanahan

    It’s articles like this and posters like we have that make me sick as a Bears fan. Fucking revisionist history motherfuckers.
    Angelo “the guy who brought” Cutler to town…… as if bringing in the best quarterback in our history is a bad move. Motherfucking pussy Morrissey. The failure of Angelo was not bringing Cutler in, it was bringing him in, completely and consciously choosing not to surround him with any NFL talent at the OL and WR position WHILST drafting like a fucking schmuck so by the time the team finally brought in OL and WR talent the fucking D dropped off the table because of the shitty drafting, poor FA pickups and injury.

    God damn it the fucking idiocy.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      It’s actually…”so by the time the EMERY finally brought in OL and WR talent the fucking D dropped off the table because of the shitty drafting, poor FA pickups and injury.”

      I’ve noted what you’re saying. Nothing Emery did was good… because he got sacked.

      Also… Emery never got the ‘rebuild’ label even if 42 new players were new on the roster from the day he got fired and the day Lovie got fired.

      The new GM will get that ‘patience vote’ even if he’s 10 players away from a complete roster.

      • BillW

        Curious about the 42 new players. Obviously you’ve researched this. Are all 42 replacements from Lovie’s last team, or are any replacements of replacements that Emery brought in. Are you counting all three years of Emery’s tenure or just the Trestman years?

        I could be wrong but I sense there are a lot more than 11 players on the final 53 starting 2014 that were there before Emery.

        No matter – I see your point that Emery was rebuilding with so many new players.

        But he was trying to hit home runs in free agency. That’s why I say “quick fix”. He didn’t build the defense (which takes time) he tried to do a one year fix in FA with mostly misses.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          No, it’s a raw calculation and my general estimation, not something I read:

          Guys on the roster the day Angelo got fired:
          Garza, Cutler, Forte, Tillman, Paea, Jennings, Briggs, Conte, Gould.

          Guys on the roster the day Angelo got fired:
          McClellin, Marshall, Jeffery

          So that’s 12 players. Sorry…my bad… it’s actually 41 new players in the last 2 offseasons.
          Of course there might have been 100+ new players that were in competition for those 41 spots. Plus injuries…all that stuff. But, no I didn’t count the guy that replaced Tillman when he went on IR.

          PS: Bill…you’ve understood a little bit of what I’ve been saying… you can see how keeping Lovie was damaging… only 3 players from Emery’s 1st offseason… 41 the next 2 offseasons.

          That’s why I’ve been saying he lost the last year of great D and delayed the rebuilding process.

      • Scott W.

        Is Emery in all caps because you like him? Never been clear on your stance there…

        • BillW

          Beast!

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Yeah… I think he’s a potential GM beast. He just needed some help in the figure of a ‘big picture football guy’.

          PS: It’s in caps because I used his statement and changed only that noun. Bears with Emery. As in highlighting the change.

      • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

        I’m not referencing Emery here, I was just pissed that reporters like Morrissey get to do whatever the fuck they want as badly as they want to do it and they get to have jobs that we’d all kill for. Then we have “fans” that simply choose to ignore what the fuck happened over the years and why we are at the crossroads we find ourselves at. It’s annoying.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Well I’ve been annoyed over how Emery’s era is portrayed, also.

          Took a lot of grief on the blog for it.

          I agree with what you’re saying…I just wanted to punctuate your approach…piggyback on it a little.

          • BillW

            Had Emery hired a decent HC we’d all be singing his praises. He’d get the benefit of the doubt on his several misses and credit for the quick turnaround of the offense and we’d be more patient on rebuilding the defense.

            It’s a tough business. One major mistake like Trestman can ruin a career.

            In comparison, Finks made an equally bad choice in Neill Armstrong, butr was such a solid personnel guy he was not labeled by it. Now he was BEAST! Built the defense and the offense. And it took about 10 years (came in 1974).

          • GPLDAN

            Had Emery hired a decent HC we’d all be singing his praises

            No we wouldn’t.

          • BillW

            Well, that’s probably true. But we wouldn’t have called for him to be fired. A decent coach would have built on 8-8. Maybe still not playoffs but probably a winning record. Still, that’s hindsight and we need to look ahead. Sorry for dragging us backward.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            different sport.

          • BillW

            Right – took that long because there was no free agency.

          • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

            fair enough.

    • Scott W.

      I said when he got here, after 4 games, that we brought him here to kill him.

    • GPLDAN

      I’m sure Emery blew away McCaskey and president Ted Phillips with tales of his organizational skills and his knowledge of obscure folk singers.

      Hehe.

    • willbest

      Angelo O-line drafting in the Cutler era
      Lance Louis – 7th round
      J Webb – 7th round
      Carimi – 1st round

      So yeah, criminal neglect with the caveat they didn’t have 1st and 2nd rounder picks for 09 and 10. But you can at least find talented interior linemen in the 3rd. Meanwhile we get Jarron Gilbert, Juaquin Iglesias, and Major Wright.

      Incidentally, I think Johnny Knox was a pretty solid speed guy to use as a #2 WR. A real shame about his injury. But then Angelo never went out and got a #1 to pair him with. And I never understood the purpose of wasting 5th 6th round picks on developmental QBs right after you sign Cutler when there was such obvious needs elsewhere.

  • Irish Sweetness

    jeez. Don Shula coached 33 seasons and how many losing seasons did he have? Two. Well I’ll be.

    • Bender McLugh

      holy shitsnacks

      • Irish Sweetness

        Interesting comparison with Bellicheat. Miami are playing Oakland. There’s a problem with the Dolphins dressing room in practice the days before, so they use Oaklands. Csonka finds the Raiders playbook in a locker, and hands it to a coach to give to Shula. They lose the game. Next week Csonka says to the coach ‘what happened? Didn’t you give Shula the playbook?’. The coach says ‘He told me to throw it away.’

        Wouldn’t ‘cheat’. Integrity. 347 wins. Incredible.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          You got to love Al Davis.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Good one for ya Barb. The closest coach to Shula in wins is Belicheat. To overcome Shula they said, he would have to average 10 wins a year over the next 15 years. Classic.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Belichick doesn’t care about none of that…

  • Irish Sweetness

    Mike Shula, anyone? OC Carolina. His dad was around the NFL for 43 years. He must have learned something.

    • Bender McLugh

      For OC or HC

      • Scharfinator

        Yes.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I guess HC. He must have picked up a lot of things in a lot of different ways. Csonka described Shula as a ‘pusher’. ‘He found each player’s breaking point, and he’d push that player to within a hair of it. That season we went undefeated.’

        Two seasons. Two superbowls. Two losses in total. Amazing.

        • BearDown100393

          Jay said God damn, God damn The Pusher man

          • BillW

            Just so you know. I got the Steppenwolf song reference.

  • Bender McLugh

    “Coughlin is being run out of NY” – if this is true here is my #1 wish for HC.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      negative

    • burntorangenavyblue

      They are canning lower coaches, not Coughlin

      • Bender McLugh

        gotchya.

    • BearDown100393

      News to me.

    • BillW

      By “run out of NY” I think Jeff just meant that many fans and sports talk are calling for getting rid of him. Not that he is being fired.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Stay warm for those living in the super cold areas. Pipes are freezing so make sure you keep an eye on them and don’t forget about the sump pumps if you have them. Mine was running non-stop without any water going through cuz of coldness. Just unplugged it and grateful that it wasn’t like last year where water was shooting everywhere.

    • BearDown100393

      Yes but if you are a NFL lineman be sure to show your toughness and don’t wear sleaves! 🙂

      • burntorangenavyblue

        I am certainly not an NFL lineman so I will bundle up, ha

    • Scott W.

      It’s only 4 below here today. Warm front!

  • Bender McLugh

    Rex & Kyle Shanahan show? What’s the reason Kyle can be trusted as anything but a bust?

    • BillW

      I agree. Sometimes I wonder about Jeff’s opinions and 140 character tweets give no insight.

      Rex is a risk in my opinion. Great defensive mind apparently (don’t know his teams rankings); got the team to the AFC finals several times, but looks like he can wear out his welcome fast . Fiery guy and we could use some of that, but not at the expense of competence.

      But Kyle Shanahan? The BROWNS don’t think he is good. Why does Jeff? No clue. I just know Jeff thinks he’s a home run. (And that Jeff is love with Twitter.)

      • NewBearInTown

        I suspect that Jeff likes Kyle Shanahan with Jay Cutler given the elder Mike Shanahan’s past successes.

        • BillW

          I hope not but you may be right. If so, I hope Jeff can see the danger of continuing to make Cutler-centric* decisions.

          (*Cutler-centric is copyrighted by one of our frequent posters though I can’t recall who. Sorry.)

          • huntinbare

            So if JC is the center of our universe
            and all new hires will be held up for inspection by his illumination…
            Our process is sort of like a blind man searching for clues in the dark.

          • Bender McLugh

            this can’t be the case going forward…….can’t

          • BillW

            It’s why I want Cutler gone. (I am softening my stance on Marshall though)

            In light of Canada’s link on the woman matrix – I said a while ago Cutler is like the hot crazy girl everyone thinks they can make it work with, but she leaves them in ruins.

          • Bender McLugh

            he’ll be gone eventually, I can’t see it this year though

          • Irish Sweetness

            The sexy, fun, bad girl-types? Yeah.

          • Scott W.

            I am the holder of that copyright. You may use it in posts at no charge.

          • BillW

            I appreciate it. I will put a (c) after every use.

      • BillW

        The Browns are considering Charlie Weiss as OC. They think he is better than Kyle Shanahan. So Kyle Shanahan is a home run?

        Seriously Jeff – what am I missing?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Kyle Shanahan is not a bust.

      Had success in Houston, Washington and even Cleavland this year.

      • BillW

        Not Cleveland – 23rd in yards and 27th in points.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Their Ol is great, the rest was garbage.

  • BillW

    Have you seen the Gettysburg Address as a PowerPoint presentation? Basically mocking the idea of presenting bullet points rather than a true inspiring speech.

    I wonder if anyone has re-written the Gettysburg Address as a tweet?

  • CanadaBear

    If you’re single and don’t know much about women this explains everything. If you’re married or experienced it will make you laugh. A must see for everyone.

    • BillW

      PERFECTO! Especially the Husband matrix. I contend though that the “unicorn” zone is much larger.

      • CanadaBear

        One of the funniest explanations about the sexes. The nothing box video is another priceless one.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      ahahha

      Thanks man. I owe you.

      • CanadaBear

        Funny stuff for sure. I loved the zone below unicorns. It literally made me LOL.

        • GPLDAN

          If you have a 8+ hot but below a 2 crazy, you probably have a tranny not a Unicorn.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I liked the ‘red head, strippers, hair stylists, any girl named Melissa’ part.

          That’s my zone.

    • huntinbare

      Could you clarify this point for me….
      After how many drinks…..and
      At what time before last call….
      Do the “unicorns” appear….?????

      • BillW

        Like the joke – what’s the difference between a dog and a fox?
        About 4 drinks.

        • huntinbare

          Good one

        • Irish Sweetness

          It took me a while to get that. I was imagining a person being so drunk that they would have sex with a dog, like an actual canine … and then how many more drinks it would take before you’d screw a fox, as in a vulpine creature. But okay, I see what you did there.

      • CanadaBear

        Usually I never saw the Unicorns when I was drinking. Now, when I was smoking weed and doing hallucinogens …

        • huntinbare

          Oh my my….

    • Scott W.

      Can I vote this up at least 10 times?

      • CanadaBear

        I try not to post links unless they add something. This one made me laugh like crazy. One of my facebook friends posted it. If you haven’t seen the clip of the “nothing box” I’ll post it. It’s not as funny as this one but it’s funny.

        • Scott W.

          Oh, by all means. Post it up.

          • CanadaBear

            Here it is!

  • Bender McLugh

    hmmmm

    “If KC’s Chris Ballard becomes #Bears GM, I wouldn’t expect his head coach to be Dave Toub, Doug Pederson or other member of #Chiefs staff” – Ed Werder tweet

    • GPLDAN

      Ballard plus Mike and Kyle, the father/son HC/OC duo?

      • Bender McLugh

        man it could be. We’d have to worry about “good/bad” HC & OC as we’ve come to love about Cutty. Maybe they all three have dyeuhbeetus

        • GPLDAN

          No night games!

  • GPLDAN

    Oh Jefe…

    It isn’t happening but can you imagine a Rex Ryan/Kyle Shanahan coaching combination in Chicago. Sorry but that’s an absolute home run.

    A. You’re not sorry.
    B. That’s a ground out at first and everyone knows it.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      I feel Jeff’s tweets are confusing at times. The sense I feel from this blog and his Twitter is a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde type thing going here. Twitter universe makes it too easy to blur the lines between professional thoughts and emotional thoughts.

      • BearDown100393

        Too much Romanian ale?

      • GPLDAN

        Emotion is the octane that makes the DBB wheels spin.

        And Johnny is the nitro.

        Don’t drop that vial!

      • BillW

        In my opinion Twitter should be used for factual statements only. Meaningful (like “Terrorist attack in Paris”) or meaningless (like “I tried a new craft beer called Beer Down today”). Not opinions or conversation.

        • GPLDAN

          There once was a technology which exists mostly in name only now, called RSS – that was supposed to handle the news portion of it.

          Twitter is nothing BUT opinion.

          • BillW

            I agree it is – but should it be? Opinions invite discussion (hopefully healthy and constructive – like this blog usually). But Twitter is not the right place for that.

            I’d like to hear WHY Jeff thinks Rex/Kyle is a home run. Not just THAT he thinks it.

            (By the way, if there isn’t a beer called Beer Down there should be.)

          • burntorangenavyblue

            Then DaBearsBlog and Jeff’s thoughts should be its own entity because when he posts Twitter stuff about soccer or other weird random thoughts, I think it waters down the excellent brand of Bears/NFL writings that he has for this blog

      • Irish Sweetness

        Totally. Especially the tweeets that come from the middle of a baseball game that have no context or frame of reference to anyone reading the tweet.

        Should ‘how did he not catch that pop-up?’ be a tweet for example. Could you string a thousand of them together and put them in a book ? Tweeting is like digital farting.

  • BillW

    For balance I do believe Jeff is spot on in saying the Bears have the prime openings for GM / HC given how strong the fan base is. As he says, Coughlin wins two SBs and people want him gone. Ditka wins one and people seriously wanted him to run for the Senate!

    Can you even imagine what would happen is a coach wins another Super Bowl here? Why would anyone with any self-confidence NOT want that chance? I’d be highly suspect of anyone who avoided Chicago (like Rex seems to be doing.) What’s the matter Rex? Too much pressure? Not up to the task?

    (I know, it may be the Bears aren’t interested either. Which to me is a good sign)

    • GPLDAN

      We, as fans, constantly bring up the endorsement and city love that a winner would get as reason to come here. I know, because I do it and have written that here several times myself.

      But I think we collectively perhaps underestimate how the NFL Boys Club regards Chicago.

      And that, in short, is dysfunctional ownership. We go in the pile of teams like the Skins and the Raiders and problem children because of Ted. Nobody wants Ted as their boss. Nobody good.

      AS this search goes on and I read more from the NFL writers I respect, I am beginning to see this is even more of a problem than I thought – and I thought it was a big fucking problem.

      • BillW

        If true, and it certainly rings true, then I hope Accorsi had the guts to tell George that. Let’s assume he did. Then if Teddy is not moved over as a result of the final decisions here we’ll know Accorsi was a smokescreen and it was business as usual with the consultant brought in to make it look otherwise.

        I said earlier – we will know a lot when the GM presser happens. One of the first questions will be “was this Accorsi’s recommendation?” If the answer is anything but a clear yes, then the Accorsi thing was BS.

        • GPLDAN

          Fair point.

      • BearDown100393

        The presence of Ted Phillips undermines ownership’s credibility on hiring personnel. Phillips is toxic.

      • BerwynBomber

        Also comes down to how the current roster is sold: if it is merely an extension of the mandate given to Trestman — win now — the job’s attractiveness might drop a notch or two. If it is more along the line of gut it/total rehab it could appeal to a few more candidates as it provides them a longer rope. My guess is the roster is sold as somewhere in the middle.

    • Irish Sweetness

      And Don Shula got fired for going 9-7, and logging two losing seasons in the 25 he was a Dolphin.

  • BillW

    There have been references in this thread to Don Shula. I didn’t see any links, but did that come about in reference to a story where he called Belichik “Belicheat” in an interview recently?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/08/don-shula-calls-bill-belichick-beli-cheat/

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Haha hahaha…..Of course the NFL didn’t see the Ray Rice video……how convenient!

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Goodell: Hey there’s a camera outside this elevator….but probably not inside this elevator? Okee dokee!

      • to be fair, the report mentioned several times that NFL should have been more thorough in their investigation. That is, they SHOULD have seen the tape. But this says they didn’t (not sure I buy that though).

  • Anonymous Yahoo Poster

    Aren’t Todd Bowles and Mel Tucker good friends? Would the bears have the audacity to hire Bowles and him keep Tucker? i’d simply drink a gallon of tradwind and dive into the icy waters of lake Michigan.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    When will Goodell drop that extra ‘o’ in his name and call it a day?

  • John Doe

    This whole process does not inspire confidence at all. Can’t understand why Blogfather is doing the cheerleading. These are same old bumbling Bears led by George and Ted.

    Two people who are chumps when it comes to football are doing the interviews. Good job, George and Ted. Why the fuck did you hire the consultant if you are so fucking smart about football?
    —-
    What Accorsi’s apparently not doing is helping the Bears actually interview candidates — at least he didn’t with Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase during an interview last week, Denver Post beat writer Mike Klis told the Mully and Hanley Show on Thursday morning.

    “Accorsi wasn’t a part of that interview, so I don’t know what that means,” Klis said.

    From an outside perspective, this is somewhat puzzling. If Accorsi’s only job is to identify candidates and nothing more, it would seem like a colossal waste of money (Accorsi was presumably handsomely paid for this gig) on the Bears’ part. Groupthink and common sense largely determines who’s a worthy candidate, so it’s not as if a consultant is navigating much new ground.

    And then there’s the other question it raises. How much of a role does Accorsi even have in the search? And how will he give a quality recommendation if he’s not sitting down in the interview? His absence from the interview points to it being all McCaskey and Phillips — and contradicts what Phillips said himself at the press conference to announce the firings of Phil Emery and Marc Trestman.

    “He definitely will be involved in the interview process, as will George and myself,” Phillips said of Accorsi.

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/08/how-much-of-a-role-does-ernie-accorsi-really-have-in-these-bears-searches/

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    Ryan Pace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • BerwynBomber

    Ryan Pace is the new Bears GM.

  • John Doe

    LOL! No Ballard.

    Amanda Kaschube12s

    #Bears hire Ryan Pace as general manager. More here:www.chicagotribune.com twitter.com

  • Bear Down in Tampa

    New thread…

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    Pace graduated from EIU with a degree in Marketing – Barb will be happy. Now we got a guy that’s great with PR and spin.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Ryan Pace

  • Professional Journal

    Well, that whole theory is gone now with the hiring of Pace.

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