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DBB Chats Adam Jahns of the Chicago Sun-Times [AUDIO]

| February 9th, 2015

Another wonderful conversation with my buddy Adam Jahns of the Chicago Sun-Times. (Apologies for the technical feedback. Soundcloud’s problem, not mine.) In the chat we discuss:

  • Battling the national “source” guys
  • Cutler’s fans inside the locker room
  • How the Trestman era will be remembered
  • Jay Glazer’s golf foursomes
  • Possible surprises this coming off-season
  • Much, much more!

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  • If Rapaport was really responsible for getting Trestman fired, then I should send him a nice fruit basket.

  • IMO Jahns nails it on Cutler. He’s part of Chicago’s team for the next year or two, but the plans no longer revolve around him.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      that notion is baffling on many levels… you either trade/cut him or make things revolve around him.

      • he’s their guy for now, but they didn’t hire the coaches based on who could work with him the best, and they’re looking for a guy to replace him down the road. Exactly the way it should be given his age and career.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I don’t care about the future. We’re in the present.

    • Emery/Trest/Kromer remind me of Frank Costanza trying to salvage bad meat by over-seasoning…with similar results…

  • Our 2nd QB showed more heart in one game than Jake did all year.
    I strongly disagree that most fans saw Clausen as a “side show.” Personally, I was watching with all seriousness to see if he could lead the Bears for much cheaper than Cutler, and if indeed it was Cutler who was the main problem behind that lack-lustre offense.

    I came away wanting to see MORE of Clausen and less of Cutler.

    But naturally, Tresty did the exact opposite. Whether that was a call from Emery or Trestman became a moot point.

    • Hand was forced; Clausen got hurt.

      • So they say.

        • he had a concussion. Had to go through NFL protocol. It’s an NFL policy, not a Bears thing.

          • I just found it very convenient. Those “red shirt” Angelo specials theoretically went through protocals too.

            I know Clausen got his bell rung a bit, but I still have a sneaking suspicion that the call to keep Cutler in came from Emery trying to save his own butt.

          • BillW

            Tend to agree; it was a very quick decision…

            http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/12/22/jimmy-clausen-ruled-out-of-season-finale-with-concussion/

            “It’s somewhat unusual that the Bears have already ruled Clausen out for Sunday’s game. Previously this season, they’ve waited until later in the week to make decisions about other players in the concussion protocol — for example, Chris Conte.”

          • AlbertInTucson

            “A Bit” ? I was surprised A) that he got up and B) that he continued in that game.
            That was a direct shot to the side of his head and, as we’ have already discaussed, it was no accident.

    • SC Dave

      My reaction was the same as yours. Certainly the people in the sports bar I where I watched the game categorically wanted to see more of Clausen and less of Cutler.

  • “What do ppl think about Jay Cutler, in the locker room?” – Jeff
    “That all depends on who you ask.” Jahns

    And that my friend is why he’ll never lead a team to a SB.

    • And I’m well aware of the Eli/Flacco/Romo precedents, and I USED to be one of those that believed Cutler was in that ephemeral tier.

      Cutler, sadly, is just outside that tier.

      I’m trying to think of other QBs similar to Cutler in the past, but can’t really think of one off the top of my head.

      Jeff George is often brought up, but I think Jeff George was more cancerous than Jay.

      Someone with all the physical attributes, but questionable leadership skills who was nothing more than a journeyman…hmmmm

      • he was never in the Romo tier. People have criminally underrated Romo for years.

        Romo’s production puts him on par with Big Ben and Rivers, and almost with Brees. Just down below the top dogs.

        Flacco and Eli are basically Cutler clones playing on teams with better coaches and front offices, though they admittedly both have impressive playoff resumes that Cutler cannot match.

        Stafford too, though his career W/L is very similar to Cutler’s. Actually Eli’s is too, now that I think of it. He just had those 2 big postseason runs.

        • Has Cutler ever been able to play efficiently over 4-6 games?

          Both Eli and Flacco have proven they can.

          Heck, even Sexy Rexy won player of the month.

          I don’t recall Cutler being able to string together productive, efficient, low turnover football, over 4-6 games.

          Maybe briefly under Martz before he went down, but that’s another issue, isn’t it? Eli and Flacco have been more durable too.

          • yeah, he was on a pretty good roll in 2011 pre-injury.

            His career stats are basically identical to (or even slightly better than) those of Flacco, Eli, and Stafford. All 4 have a massive body of evidence saying what they are. It’s fair to say they’re comparable QBs.

          • Perhaps statistically. I just wonder about the non-football intangibles.

            Like Jahn said, what does the locker room think about Cutler? Depends who you ask…

            I don’t think that’s the case with either Eli or Flacco.
            I would wager that almost every guy on those teams would rally behind both, and this was even before their SBs.

            When Barber criticized Eli for his lack of leadership, it seemed to light a fire under the ass of that team.

            When the media criticizes Cutler for the same, his BFF concurs, “Yeah, I would have buyer’s remorse too.”

            IMO, Cutler is a notch below those guys for that very reason.

            Stafford, who knows? I don’t think I would want him either over Cutler, except perhaps that he’s younger.

          • you can make that claim that Cutler is a notch below them due to playoff pedigree. Thus my “Cutler is those guys just without the good front office/coaching staff.”

            Now we’re in pure hypotheticals. If you switched Cutler and Flacco, or Cutler and Eli, at the start of their careers, would things have gone differently for any of those franchises? I don’t know. Cutler’s certainly never going to be mistaken for a franchise leader, but I don’t think Flacco is either. I’m pretty sure there was talk of Ray Lewis and Ed Reed wanting to pass their leadership mantle to Ray Rice, not Flacco.

            (please don’t mistake this for the ludicrous “if you switch Jay and Rodgers at start of careers, things would be switched” argument. Those guys are completely different classes of QBs. These three are statistically nearly identical QBs, only the reputations of Eli and Flacco are better because they’ve won more, which can be a product of the environment they’ve been placed in more than them being better).

          • John Doe

            You really have some nerve comparing Jake Cutler to Eli Manning and Flacco.

            Manning and Flacco have made clutch throws in their teams SB wins..made clutch throws and didn’t throw INTs under pressure. And no their teams’ great defense did not make those throws. They handled the pressure of the moment despite all their flaws.

            Jake Cutler crumbled under pressure when he got the big contract and was made “the guy” by Phil Emery. Right from the Bills game he was off. He couldn’t handle being the franchise QB and paid like franchise QB.

          • yet in their 3k-4k career attempts for all of those guys, they have virtually identical numbers. You can make your arguments all you want, I’m coming from a standpoint of nothing but stats. Stats can be misleading, sure, but often not as much as just saying something unquantifiable like “they make big throws and Cutler does not.”

          • John Doe

            Winning the Super Bowl matters. Winning the big games matters.. Winning under pressure matters. Jake Cutler has never shown any of this. Eli Manning and Joe Flacco have. That is why it is joke to say Jake Cutler is in the same tier or almost the same tier as Manning and Flacco.

            There is a reason Jake Cutler was roundly criticized this year despite having “great stats”. He did not pass the eye test. That alone should tell you how much stock one should put on just stats.

          • yep, they were both better than Cutler in 2014. But they were both also much worse than Cutler in 2013. That’s why I look at their overall careers, which say decidedly that the three quarterbacks are nearly identical, statistically speaking.

            Now, like I have said in other comments on here, the other 2 have a much better playoff pedigree than Cutler. You can argue that makes them better QBs, or you can argue that’s more a product of being a part of better franchises. Ultimately there’s no way to prove either argument.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Greatness can be ‘unquantifiable’.
            I’ll argue the greatness of Jim McMahon ’til the day I die. But bet your bottom dollar that some kid who was born afterwards will rush off to the books and scamper back all cock-sure “No he wasn’t! Look …” and point to a list of numbers. That same list of numbers for Cutty will look much better. When they connect the dots and make two plus two equals five by saying X is better than Z .. “just look at the numbers” then you don’t so much want to slap them in the face for reducing artists to numbers, more point them in the direction of “numbers can tell any story you want them to.”

            Cutty = Flacco = Eli = Meh. And I don’t care what the numbers say. The Eyeball test versus the benchmark of great ones. Unquantifiable. Like art.

          • actually, when you look at Cutty’s numbers compared to McMahon’s, McMahon looks better (at least once you adjust for era). Cutler will have longevity in his favor though.
            I’m with you that none of Flacco/Eli/Cutler/Stafford are great QBs. They’re all average ones. If they’re your QB, your team can be either really good or really bad, but that will be more about the rest of the team than them.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He crumbled under pressure long before the contract, usually around the time he played a team with a winning record.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Big Ben IS a top dog, Woodsy. Nobody threw for more yards than he did this season. 67% completions. Maybe three QBs had higher ratings than him (103), and about the same number threw more TD passes than did (but they also threw more interceptions).

          But the highest rated passer in the NFL this last season? Tony Romo 113 over Rodger’s 112.

          • yep, but what sets Rodgers, Brady, and Peyton apart IMO is their ability to be among the best every year. Ben, Romo, Rivers, Brees are all there some years, but not every year.

          • Irish Sweetness

            What sets Peyton apart is his proclivity to choke when the temperature rises in that kitchen, that’s why the ‘greatness’ talk with Peyton falls on deaf ears here. Cometh the hour cometh the man. Peyton leaves the building when he heat gets turned up. He can chalk up all those TD passes and yards and regular season victories til the cows come home for all they’re worth.

            He can sit there and help Dan Marino add up his.

    • BearDown100393

      Jake Cutler does not care about the opinions of his teammates. Я бьюсь за победу! Для себя!

      • AlbertInTucson

        Я бьюсь за победу! Для себя
        “I surge for victory ! For yourself!”

    • Irish Sweetness

      Yup, Manimal was the only guy in the locker room that hated McMahon.

  • I really hope they don’t give Forte a 2-year contract extension. Unless he’s willing to be very nice on the finances, it would be an extremely risky investment.

    • I agree. I think Forte can be one of those rare backs who doesn’t fall off a cliff for a few reasons.
      1. He’s extremely dedicated to preserving his body. He sleeps in a hypbberic chamber and never drank a soda for crying out loud.
      2. He’s not a banger like Barber who just demolished his body for years.
      3. He’s a pretty big back to begin with.

      Still, Forte has been a work-horse going all the way back to college, and wasn’t spared much under Trestman even when the fans wanted to see more of the backs.

      It’s sad, but HBs just aren’t paid as much as they used to be, and I agree, we shouldn’t overpay Forte for past production.

      • if he holds up and still looks good for another year, re-visit next year. No use paying him now, when he’s at peak value.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I disagree.

      He has a $7+M cap hit this season. The extension is clearly the smart move.

      I wouldn’t just extend him…I’d also add another ‘starter’ type RB.

      • it helps save cap this year. But there’s no free lunch. It would push money to future years. No thank you.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Which would be acceptable seeing that Cutler will be sent packing and the rookie who’ll take his place will receive peanuts. In future years they’ll have so much cap space they’ll not spent the money available.

          • ideally a few years in the future they’ll have a number of their own guys coming off of rookie deals who need to get paid.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            man…that’s wayyy in the future. Me wants wins today.

          • you’re talking Cutler sent packing. That’s not for at least 2 years, possibly 3 or 4. So you’re looking at guys who just finished their rookie year now or are about to be drafted needing to be paid. I was just sticking to your time frame.
            Regardless, I am not in favor of putting money from this year to the future, especially for a player like Forte who is on the tail end of his career.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Yeah… Cutler could be gone this year, next year or 2 years from now (doubtful). that’s a maximum of 2 years and unlikely.

            if you’re not in favor of putting money from this year to the future that means you’re against the resign of any 28+ years FA, including Ratliff, Tillman and so on.

            At this point you must think all these type of veterans should be cut if that means freeing cap space in the present, which ‘travels’ from year to year.

          • I am of the mindset that you let the older guys play out their deals. Let Forte walk after next year (unless he’s willing to take a MASSIVE pay cut). Let Ratliff walk after next year. Allen too.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Get rid of them NOW. Free up cap space for 2018.

            My mindset is: if Forte and Ratliff perform I don’t care about their age and whatever.Just be smart and give yourself contract wiggle room.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Matt Forte has a $9.2 M cap space number. base salary $7 M and dead money count of $1 M.

          So you either cut him or you extend him. It’s that simple.

          PS: They aren’t going to cut their best 2014 player.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Or get a high draft pick for him, dump his contract, and pay some kid peanuts to pound the rock for us. With BM, AJ, Uni and hopefully Zach Miller around, we don’t need to be giving our HB a hundred receptions for a season. He’s 29, it’s time to liquidate the asset and move on. How’s that for Gordon Gekko ….

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          get a high draft pick for a 29 years old running back ? That’s fantasy land.

          that problem with paying a kid to pound the rock is that we need 2 RBs and a 3rd down RB is a key piece of any winning team. That’s Forte and he has at least 3 years of high level production.

    • GPLDAN

      Matty F sells his Bentley GT.

      http://tinyurl.com/l78d26t

      • Irish Sweetness

        They all look the same now – don’t they? That could be a Ford. Bentley’s and rollers used to look like Bentley’s and Rollers.

    • SC Dave

      Risky investment for keeping the best player on the team? I have much more confidence in Matt’s durability than you I guess. Not to say I am *right* to do so, but nevertheless.

      • There are 2 markers for RBs being done as every down backs: age 30 and 2400 career touches.

        Forte hits both of those next year.

        Paying him to be a starter past that point would be a foolish investment. When that wall hits, it hits hard. Good franchises give up on players a year too soon rather than paying them a year (or two) too long.

        • SC Dave

          So the Bears should have dumped Walter Payton in 1983?

          • Gotta admit though, Sweetness was a one of a kind athlete, football player, person.

            Though I would give Forte the benefit of the doubt. Heck, even Thomas was pretty productive in his later career.

          • I’m speaking over the last 20 years only. Dunno the trends before that.

            And there will always be exceptions to the rule. Payton was an all-time great. Forte, as much as I love him, is not.

            The only 2 RBs to really buck that trend in the last 20 years are Barry Sanders and Thomas Jones. Jones did it because he spent most of his career in a time share, which helped keep him fresher. Sanders was just a freak of nature. Forte fits neither category.

          • BillW

            RBs (and the running game) were a much bigger part of the NFL then. (Maybe it will swing back to that?) Especially since teams used real fullbacks.

            But I often wondered how the 85 Bears would have fared in a salary cap era. That was never a worry for them (though they let Wilbur go – but becasue they got two #1s in compensation, not because they didn’t want to pay.)

          • Irish Sweetness

            Walter was the exception to most cases. I hope we’re not putting Forte on a pedestal anywhere within reach of Walter …. Wally could do it all. Matt can run it outside and catch it, but there it ends.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          I think Forte has a better chance at being productive past 30 than most RB1s in the league. He’s taken, to my eyes, very few big hits over the years. And he never fell victim to CJ2K syndrome, which is nice.

          • BillW

            Agreed. There is no career “pitch count” on running backs. While the main point is you don’t want to tie up cap money on a player likely to be near the end, each case is evaluated on its own. Forte brings a quiet leadership to the team – I assume his work ethic is admirable.

          • I could see him being productive as a 3rd down back in a platoon later in his career, kind of like LDT was with the Jets.

  • Also, excellent interview, Jeff!
    The Jahn&Jeff Joint (patent pending).
    My fav interviewee.
    No offense to the rest of the guys, especially O’donnell. That interview was like hearing paint dry.

  • BillW

    Best deep dish pizza in Chicago by my vote is Lou’s.

    But for thin crust, I think there are literally dozens of neighborhood shop that do a great job. I know over my life I’ve always been able to find one wherever in the city or ‘burbs I’ve lived.

    • Pizano’s thin crust is amazing, IMO. And I’m a Giordano’s guy when it comes to deep dish.

      • BillW

        Second favorite – and easier to find too.

    • John Doe

      Best thin crust.. Brick’s in Lincoln Park

    • Trac

      There was a place in Palatine that never disappointed. I forget the name. They were so successful and was a family shop. Every year they shut down for the summer while they went on vacation.

      • Bender McLugh

        Jake’s Pizza baby. DA BEST. Too bad they closed down a few years back.

        • Trac

          After Becoming Millionaires I’m Sure.

    • Bender McLugh

      I need to try Vito & Nick’s on south Pulaski. Saw it on Diners, Drive-ins & Dives and it looks flippin incredible.

  • Ososfan

    Jeff there are guys like you who most of the time show their bias towards the team but know when to challenge some of the things that are going on with the team and there are others who write anything just for more clicks. We need more guys like you. Michael C. Wright sucks I have noidea how he’s become so popular all fo a sudden. Heckler, a lot of the guys posting have better, and more intelligent analysis of the team without having the chance to speak with players like some of the top guys do. It’s embarrassing for the Chicago sports media, I thought New York was bad but from what I’ve read as of late, Chicago is very toxic. Where do we sign the petition for the Jeff and Jahns show!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

    • GPLDAN

      I think Jeff’s Brenda Vaccaro breathy “oh my god” voice would totally play on the radio. He needs his own show!

      • GPLDAN

        Tell me you can’t totally hear Jeff’s voice in this commercial

        • SC Dave

          lol. You kill me sometimes dude.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Deodorant tampons. You made me think of stinky snatch, GP.

          • GPLDAN

            Doesn’t most of Thailand make you think of that?

        • Ososfan

          Hahaha I was trying to figure out who she is.

  • I really enjoyed the discussion on sources. It’s gotta be really hard to stay credible and consistent in the “get it first, worry about getting it right later” age (thanks, Twitter!).

  • GPLDAN

    Ed Sabol, father of Steve, passed. No dad should see his son pass before him, but Ed could die knowing all his son accomplished that he started.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Ed Sabol. A true visionary. Pete Rozelle was smart enough to recognize Sabol’s vision.

      I got a toy 8mm projector from Sears for Christmas in 1966. If came with a 50 foot (3 minutes) reel of 1965 Bears’s highlights. I was hooked.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Dad got us Kodak Instamatic super 8 camera and projector. We could run Gale’s highliglights slo-mo and backwards.

        Eventually I worked my way up to a Eumig Super 8 & 8mm sound projector that could record on both the main magentic sound stripe as well as the balance stripe.

        I had a silent version of the 8mm version of FOOTBALL FOLLIES sound sound striped and proceeded to add music and sound effects. Seems like a lot of effeort by today’s standards but there was no DVD, or even Beta or VHS tapes at the time. I shot and edited a LOT of film pack in the 60s and 70s including recording scenes off TV to cassette an then adding sync sounds to silent 8mm film excerpts (or Digests as Castle Fimes referred to the) I had of things like CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE, DAWN PATROL and THEY DIED WITH THEIR BOOTS ON. If you don’t think it’s a challenge doing that from a standard cassette player of the day, guess again.

        But it was also a helluva lot of fun and I credit that fascination to Ed Sabol’s marvelous productions.

        My DVD library includes many NFL Films productions. I have the 40 YEARS of NFL Music CD collection and still hav on vinyl, NFL: THE FIRST 50 Years.

        That’s Ed.Thanks a LOT.

        • CanadaBear

          No wonder you ended up in your chosen career.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Ya think? LOL.

  • Citing anonymous league executives, Bleacher Report’s Jason Cole reports there are teams “at the top of the draft” that would prefer Sam Bradford to Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota.
    That’s if Bradford gets cut. While it’s not inconceivable that the Rams would cut ties with their 2010 first-rounder, it’s still far more likely than not that he’s back in St. Louis next season. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch has reported the Rams would like to restructure Bradford’s deal — which calls for $12.985 million in 2015 — but we think the sides can reach an accord. It’s also highly dubious that anyone would actually prefer injury-prone Bradford to the draft’s top two quarterbacks. – rotoworld

    • Might shake up the draft if that happens. One less defender for us, that’s for sure.

      • NewBearInTown

        Surprised the Rams wouldn’t try a tag and trade (like the Pats did with Matt Cassel). Try to get a team like the Jets to let them move up a few spots in exchange for exclusive negotiating rights with Cassel. All things considered that seems fair value for both sides.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Surely the Jets are desperate enough to trade for Jay. NY/NJ is always a win-now town, no ?

  • Looks like Hardy will get off clean, football wise at least

    Bleacher Report’s Jason Cole reports it’s “extremely unlikely” that free agent DE Greg Hardy faces “any kind of further punishment” from the league.
    Per Cole, the league could go digging into Hardy’s reported settlement with the victim of his summer assault, but it’s unlikely the shield could get something it could use. Barring any unforeseen developments, Hardy should soon come off the commissioner’s exempt list, and hit free agency as scheduled on March 10. – Roto

    • AlbertInTucson

      He wrote a big enough check to Ex to make her go away.

      Like a true diplomat.

      • Big Mike

        What else are you going to do in his shoes? (besides not hitting your girl in the first place)

        • BillW

          Strikes me (get it?) as hypocritical. (Not you, Big Mike – the NFL). Why do you need a conviction to discipline for conduct detrimental to the league. Already found “guilty” of sorts in their unusual two tiered system. He’s not denying what he did. What – no video = no outrage?

          • Big Mike

            I wasn’t even thinking about the NFL. Just trying to put myself in that guys shoes. I’m a pro athlete, young, stupid, violent and I smack my GF. Now my career, f’d. Damn right I pay the girl off.

            As for the NFL, they just need to find consistency and yield to the NFLPA a bit. A maxim in business is that the Customer is always right. With 30 years experience running companies, I can tell you that is just bullshit. 1/2 the customers were in the bottom 1/2 of their class in HS. While a customer driven focus is essential, it is your employees and your relationship with your employees that will make our break your business. In this regard, the NFL needs to build better relationships with it’s players through the NFLPA. You do that by having consistent rules, a fair appeals process and being slightly deaf to all the external voices saying you should be an advocate for this, or a tougher on this. The NFL isn’t a parallel judicial system. Greg Hardy is essentially expected to be tried twice for his behavior. Once by the courts, and again by the NFL. There doesn’t need to be a trial, there should be simple rules. It should all be done behind closed doors, with the NFLPA rep in attendance.

          • BillW

            Great points. Especially that the league does not need to be an advocate for everything. In the end their only obligation is to provide good entertainment without losing popularity. That’s why so many of these decisions are being made reactively. They wait for public opinion to tell them what to do, when what they seem inclined to do is nothing.

            And as you say, that’s probably how it should be. But as with most things, it’s not that simple. Getting in step with the NFLPA is probably the best tactic overall.

            And speaking of not being advocates for everything – maybe a little less pink in October?

            (And yes, I’m aware of the double meaning in that statement.)

          • Big Mike

            I hate the pink nonsense. Nobody thinks breast cancer is good. Raising awareness for what? Something that everyone is already aware of? It’s a bogus promotion. The “pink” fundraising for Breast Cancer has also proven to be largely bullshit and fluff.

          • CanadaBear

            That’s one of many reasons why I’ve always disliked Lance Armstrong. All the yellow wrist band money went to cancer awareness (not research). He used that money like it was his private bank account.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Awareness is such a dumb buzzword.
            The world needs less talk-y, more do-y.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Woe betide the man who doesn’t listen to his customers. Most places I’ve worked have treated their employees like shit – but life goes on. Treat your customers like shit ….

          • Big Mike

            If you take good care of your employees, excellent customer services results. Probably makes a difference in that my career has been Business To Business. Obviously you need to be respectful to all customers. Listening to the right customers is the key.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Good for him. The NFL should stay out of his fucking business.

  • 4rth for Glennon? Still seems to rich for my blood, esp considering they’ll definitely draft a QB.

    Pewter Report says the Bucs would have to receive at least a fourth-round pick to even consider trading QB Mike Glennon.
    The Bucs are gearing up to draft a quarterback, either Marcus Mariota or Jameis Winston. Glennon’s sophomore campaign yielded mixed results; his QB rating stayed about the same but his completion rate fell under 58 percent. According to beat writer Scott Reynolds, Tampa Bay would be “ecstatic” to receive a second-round pick for Glennon, but would probably settle for a third- or fourth-rounder. The Browns, Bills, Jets, Texans, Rams, Bears, Redskins and Titans are all in the market for a quarterback. – Roto

    • John Doe

      Bears are short on draft picks to begin with. So I don’t expect them to give up 4th.

      However, if Fox and Fangio think Sutton will not fit in the new 3-4 hybrid then a straight Sutton for Glennon exchange will work (both 3rd round picks).

      • Johnnywad

        Isn’t it already clear Glennon blows? Why do we want Glennon?

        • John Doe

          Bears deseparately need #2 QB. Because if Cutler blows, and chances are pretty good he will during the season, he will be promptly benched.

          So who can be #2 QB? Jimmy Clausen? or they get someone in FA like Brian Hoyer? I would prefer Hoyer because he has more starting experience than Clausen and has done better than Clausen in those starts.

          I doubt Bears will draft QB at #7 because I don’t see Mariota or Winston falling that far. Other QBs in draft are all projects and not someone who can step in midseason in their rookie year. Garrett Grayson, Bryce Petty, Brett Hundley etc. will not be ready in year 1.

          Mike Glennon has been in the NFL for 2 years and has starting experience and also has had some good performances. He led Bucs to victory over Seattle at Seattle in 2013. He beat Steelers this year. So he has up and down career so far but has shown promise.

          With coaching, Glennon can be a 2-3 year bridge QB until Bears find the next franchise QB.

          • AlbertInTucson

            You make that sound like the Bears actually have a history of FINDING Franchise QBs.

          • Johnnywad

            No doubt the Bears should be looking to pick up a #2 better than Clausen. But I can’t see giving up one of your more promising young defenders to get a guy like Glennon. There will be options for a #2 QB that don’t involve weakening an already horrible unit.

          • Big Mike

            Doesn’t matter, whoever is the #2 isn’t going to be as good as Cutler. So we’re just marking time. Toss Fales out there and let the the young guys mature.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We must be the only two people who want to see Fales out there. It’s sounding unlikely now, but if Cutty get traded, then Fales + re-sign Clausen, then throw in a trade for Fitzy or Glennon … let the cream rise to the top instead of drinking the sour milk from the back of the fridge. We haven’t had competition for QB in years- we just kept going out with the hot chick even though she was a bitch to us.

          • Big Mike

            Irish, I don’t really care about Fales. My point is not wasting any resources on a backup QB. If Cutler goes down we’re screwed. If Cutler stays up still not winning the SB. Fales can’t be worse than Tebow. So many other priorities that can actually be solved effectively. No need to dick around with a QB this year.

          • Trac

            Fales has a weak arm from what I have read about him. He’d help with the short to intermediate passes but worthless if we had to come from behind.

          • eh. Brady dink-and-dunked his way to a SB against a very stingy defense.
            Also, the Pats wanted to swoop up Fales from our practice squad, which makes me think there’s something there.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            If Fales is the next Tom Brady, then pack up the kids, Jay!
            But I find that extremely unlikely.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            No he didn’t, the Bucs lost that game at Seattle in OT. I like the idea of Glennon though.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        There’s no proof they will use 3-4 hybrid Defense.

        Fangio can coach any type of Defense. They might go with 4-3 hybrid for 1 year.

      • Big Mike

        Is Glennon an upgrade over Fales? Bears can’t afford to diddle around with QBs. The answer next year is #6. Don’t waste money on a back up, Bears aren’t winning shit next year, if Cutler goes down, so be it. If he sucks again, so be it. Right the ship.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Forte for Glennon and V-Jax ?
      (ducks)

      • SC Dave

        Yes, duck. Though I don’t see that as a realistic trade, for either team actually. Who are you going to draft to replace Forte? Our “guy that reminded you of Payton” (okay, I paraphrase) that you called whoever that putz was that didn’t make the team certainly was not it.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Michael ….. Ford? Where is he anyway? Again, anyone can carry it 4.3 yards. The special ones like Jamaal Charles carry it for 6.0. But I don’t care who carries it for 4.3 …. there’ll be somebody in the fourth round that can carry it 4.3. An undrafted free agent can carry it for 4.3.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Uh, no.

          • Cormonster

            Really? Over half the running backs in the HOF averaged 4.3 or less in their careers. Jerome Bettis, who just got elected to the HOF, averaged less than 4 yards a carry. Other recent backs to make the HOF or who will soon all averaged 4.3 yards or less. Curtis Martin (4.0), Emmitt Smith (4.2), LaDainian Tomlinson (4.3), and Marshall Faulk (4.3). I just don’t get your thinking in regards to running backs. Even one of your favorites Neal Anderson only averaged 4.1, less than Forte.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            But I bet Jim McMahon could still rush for 4.3 in his Depends!

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Couple of those guys hung on for a couple of years too long too which hurt their YPC.

          • SC Dave

            He just hates Forte, because Matt could pass Walter in total yards.

      • Johnnywad

        Or you could just keep Forte along with Brandon and Alshon. Go get yourself a UFA rook instead of Glennon.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Rook QBs. Euch. Glennon cold be something .. he was playing on the Bucs remember. They had the same effect on McCown, he looked pretty sharp at times for us.

  • Well, it can be worse. We could be the Browns.

    ESPN Cleveland expects the NFL to “come down hard” on the Browns for embattled GM Ray Farmer allegedly texting in playcalls to the sidelines.
    Characterizing this an “Offseason from Hell,” beat writer Tony Grossi expects the Browns to face some “combination of fines, suspensions or draft choices taken away.” Johnny Manziel is in rehab, Josh Gordon is already done for 2015, OC Kyle Shanahan essentially quit due to organizational dysfunction, and 2014 No. 8 overall pick Justin Gilbert already looks like a lost cause. And now the Browns may lose 2015 draft choices. – Roto

    • AlbertInTucson

      Ew. Careful not to step in THAT pile as you go past, folks.

      • burntorangenavyblue

        Sometimes a name can be a self-fulfilling prophecy….I believe Cleveland Browns fits that definition

        • BillW

          And yet they were a powerhouse equivalent to the Packers before joining the NFL and their first several years in it.

    • BearDown100393

      With full confidence, I proclaim Jake Cutler could single handily change the fortunes of the Cleveland Browns.

      • Ironically, Cutler would instantly become their best QB in decades, even though he only has half the heart of Kozar.

      • Trac

        I suggested this a few days back. Threw in Marshall for good measure as well. Hee hee

  • AlbertInTucson

    Jerry Rice on the stickum admission: “Everybody did it.”

    That’s both a rationalization (that I don’t believe is true) AND is the same as a guilty plea, Jerry.

    Shame on you.

    • I tell you this much, he no longer is in the GOAT convo.
      That would now be narrowed down to Jim Brown and Sweetness.
      And considering that Brown played in an era when he was bigger than the LBs, it’s sorta like making the argument that Wilt Chamberlain and not Jordan was the GOAT.

      Sooo…that sorta narrows it down.

      Sweetness, NFL GOAT
      Jordan, NBA GOAT.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Not to denigrate Jim Brown, but he played his entire career behind an excellent line with outside receiving threats like Gary Collins and Paul Warfield.

      • SC Dave

        Payton ate pain killers like candy; i.e. drug-induced playing ability.

        • Irish Sweetness

          EVERY player ate pain killers like candy. Coaches ate pain killers like candy. The Doctors ate pain killers like candy. NON-players eat pain killers like candy.

          • SC Dave

            Irrelevant. We’re talking about football players. Somehow, I don’t think Butkus had bowl of pecocets lying about to eat like popcorn.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Jerry Rice using stickum and Jerry Rice’s admission of using stickum are both acceptable in my eyes. This is the NFL… by definition a cheat or leave league.

      Jerry Rice accusing another player and team of cheating makes him a cunt. I accept you being a cheater in the NFL, I despise you for trying to manipulate me with your accusations of others and proclaimed self innocence.

    • BillW

      The whole thing is confusing regarding how we should think of the 49er dynasty and Montana. Brady gets criticized without proof and Rice supplies the proof on his team himself. Somewhere there may have a catch that turned a game that got them to a Super Bowl.

      But then again, maybe not. One reason stickum got banned from what I remember was the gooey mess it made on the football. The Raiders, esp BIlletnikoff slobbered that stuff all over their hands, arms, and body. They had to keep cleaning the footballs.

      So the refs who handle the ball every play never noticed? I wonder if Jerry is just pulling our chain for laughs.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If Joe Montana was using stickum it would make his numbers look ten times better ….

        • SC Dave

          He didn’t have to. His receivers did.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Cheatin’s cheatin Jerry. Always thought it was ridiculous that not only was he voted the GOAT (albeit by NFL.COM), but that he was somehow higher than the guy dropping it into his basket, Joe Cool.

  • Ososfan

    I’ve never had Chicago pizza (unfortunately) but I think most pizzas from NYC/NJ would whoop ass any given Sunday.

    • BillW

      Maybe thin crust – though don’t you guys cut that in triangles? Thin crust is highly subjective based on toppings and even the order the toppings are put on. I know someone from Brooklyn who has lived in Chicago for many years and he seeks out NY style thin crust. I agree it has a style/flavor of its own.

      And regarding deep dish – well, there are many “purists” from the east that don’t even consider that pizza. But to me there is nothing better.

      Then there is a restaurant in Lincoln Park that serves Pizza Pot Pie – baked in a bowl with the crust coning a mix of cheese, sauce and sausage and/or mushrooms if you want. It’s call Pizza and Over Grinder – directyl across the street from where the Valentine’s Day Massacre took place (on Clark Street). I highly recommend them for salads, Mediterranean bread, “over grinder” sandwiches, and the pizza pot pie. Very small place – no reservations and they take cash only.

      • Bender McLugh

        that place is really good, though I’m not a fan of the Pizza Pot Pie

    • You could not be more wrong. You could try, but you would not succeed.
      (bonus points to anybody who can name that reference. It’s not really an obscure one, should be fairly easy)

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        Friends?

      • AlbertInTucson

        “I’ve never had Chicago pizza”.

        Reminder: Ignorance is not an opinion.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Specifically, “The One with Russ”

    • BerwynBomber

      Could not agree more. As a long-time resident of Chicago, I can say that the pizza here truly sucks ass, and as Jon Stewart once pointed out, the deep dish stuff is closer to quiche than it is pizza.

      Chicago has some fantastic cheap eats to recommend it — the Italian Beef and Chicago hot dog come immediately to mind — but its pizza is for the birds. You would be better off getting a pie from a national chain in Idaho than eating most of the stuff here.

      • Johnnywad

        Wow. You’re the first person I’ve heard say that. Call it quiche, I don’t care, I love that delicious heavy quiche pizza.

        Now about that Busch Beer . . . . .

        • BerwynBomber

          Hah! I see what you did there.

          Well, at least we handled our disagreement civilly. I’ve been in a couple of these Chicago/NY pizza debates that nearly resulted in punches be thrown.

          P.S. Never heard of Jet’s. I’ll give it a google.

      • Johnnywad

        Best national chain pizza for me is Jet’s. Anybody? Anyone?

        • BillW

          If it’s the same Jet’s that is in my neighborhood, it’s down there with Pizza Hut, Little Caesars, and Domino’s. The neighborhood independent shops do it much better in my opinion.

          But pizza is definitely a personal taste.

          • Johnnywad

            Oh I concur. Speaking of large chains exclusively

  • BillW

    For your perusal – after talking about the Browns’ woes I looked up their history (many AAFC/NFL championships in the 40s and 50s) and then got interested in Paul Brown.

    This Wiki article has a great graphic on just part of the Paul Brown coaching tree (so large that the whole thing is referred to as the Paul Brown coaching forest.)

    I didn’t recall that Lovie comes from it – through Tony Dungy / Chuck Noll.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Brown

  • . @andrewperloff Enough w/ kids! Why are all these people letting athletes raise their kids? I never looked to Chris Zorich for life advice. – Jeff

    Plato once advocated that a society nominate certain people to raise kids. Kinda like communal parents. The logic behind it was that not everyone was meant to be a parent, and that the more important citizens wouldn’t have the time needed to raise a child properly, while the more “lowly” would. Plus, some are just better parents than others, which is self-evident.

    Aristotle deemed this crazy talk and impractical, but maybe ole Plato was on to something…

    • GPLDAN

      Jake Cutler don’t need nobody telling him how to raise his kid, or vaccinate him.

      (I’m stealing BearDown’s schtick for -63 blog points for copycatting).

      • BearDown100393

        What we got here is failure to inoculate.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Stother Martin reference!

          • GPLDAN

            Cool Hand Duke.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Great character actor. Often teamed to good effect with L.Q. Jones. They are at their scuzzy best as bounty hunters in THE WILD BUNCH.

          • CanadaBear

            I loved him in Slapshot.

          • Cormonster

            Here’s one of my favorite scenes with him in Up in Smoke.

    • SC Dave

      A friend of mine, several years deceased, once said…

      “A great tragedy is that the only qualification for parenthood is functional gonads.”

      Rest in peace, John.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Or … you nee a licence to own a dog, but any asshole can have kids.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I like the African saying ‘it takes a village to raise a child’.

  • OK, it’s the off-season, so let the off-season Da Blears Blog Conference on Random Divisive Subjects 2015 officially commence…this year sponspored by Jake Cutler foundation: “To care less is to live more”

    Soooo…What do you guys think about the government FORCING parents to vaccinate their kids?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Tough call.

      Sure not interested in seeing Polio make a comeback though.

      • Yeah, I’m a bit torn on it myself.
        On the one hand, I can see the libertarian view here about individual freedom.
        However, how about the individual rights of the children? Not to mention of the rest of the population.
        Then, my Irish conspiracy foil-hat runs hot …should we allow the government to force parents to inject their “medicine”?

        • John Doe

          Back to the 1960s..Fluoride in water.. gubmint makin us commies…

          • AlbertInTucson

            Call General Ripper!

          • SC Dave

            It’s the problem with government shit – it never goes away.

            http://fluoridealert.org/articles/50-reasons/

            Note especially #10.

            Evidently, despite genuine concerns of multiple deleterious effects, we sheepishly go on drinking. Humans got by for hundreds of thousands of generations without flourine in the water. Methinks we could manage too.

          • John Doe

            But did the gubmint brainwash you into a commie?

            that was the main fear of the paranoid John Birch society. Birchers were the precursors to today’s tea baggers.

          • Irish Sweetness

            if people are still drinking the water that comes out of their taps …. caveat emptor.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Yeah, go buy it in bottles…that come from the same freaking public water supply.
            Or better yet, go fill er up out of that stream of runoff from the hillside. A raging case of giardia never hurt anybody!

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Life expectancy is just a tad bit better now. But that just means it’s time to quit! Teeth are for loser statists!

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Public health outweighs the idiot brigade. Next question.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        And by idiot brigade, I mean parents who hold measles parties to impart “natural” immunity to their children because Jenny McCarthy doesn’t understand remedial science, thereby not understanding the basic biology behind vaccinations and putting everyone else’s children, immuno-suppressed or not, at increased risk of blindness, death, or brain damage.

        • John Doe

          What qualifies Jenny McCarthy, Jake Cutler, and Kristin Cavaleri to question and doubt scientists on vaccines?

          Kristin Cavaleri has already caused more harm to her kids through her smoking and drinking.

          And not mention most Americans have no idea what shit they feed to pigs, cows, and chickens to make them grow faster and fatter. Shit that is never tested, studied for side effects in humans. And yet they chomp down on that shit without thinking twice.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Are you implying that Jenny and Kristin’s alternate career choices weren’t Brain Surgery or Rocket Science…?

          • BearDown100393

            McCarthy was a double major in synthetic flotation material engineering.

        • Trac

          The idiot brigade is importing measles from south of the border. Let’s be clear on who they are shall we?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Are you seriously…yes, I think you are.

          • John Doe

            Proof? Any peer-reviewed study?

            Or just because it is easy to blame brown people..

          • Trac

            Rush Limbaugh said it so it must be true. Hee hee. I love you brownie. Hahahaha

          • Huh? Please explain. Here, you can borrow my tin-foil.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      the reason it is an issue is that we have not had a major epidemic in decades that shows parents the harsh realities of these diseases. Smallpox was eradicated in the 1940s, polio has been kept in check with a majority of its cases occurring in unvaccinated communities like the Amish. Our parents and grandparents, and some of the older members on the blog, have seen first hand the horrors of these diseases, so the vast majority of our parents never questioned the need. It is an out of sight out of mind mentality with the parents today. The health of society greatly out weighs the minor side effects of vaccinations.

      • SC Dave

        Good post.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But the NWO isn’t interested in a health society. There is no secret about their intention to control the world’s population. It’s even written on the Georgia guidestones and it’s top of the pops !

        1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature

        They’ve written in stone for fuck’s sake !!

        All these movies that THEY are pumping us with… ‘The Gift’ ….Hunger Games ….’Elysium’ et al …. are programming us for acceptance. The future plan is that Aldous Huxley’s ‘Deltas’ will serve as slaves for the ‘Alphas’. There is one problem – there are too many of us. Seven billion people cannot be controlled easily.

        If we all unite and should realize what’s happening on this planet – and what has been happening for a long time – should we all happen to wake the fuck up out of our lamb-to-the-slaughter trance and act together as one …. we become a serious problem to the NWO. But as long as they keep us fucked up on beer, poor, stuck to the goggle-box, keep us in fear of Islam or the guy next door, keep us in fear of other countries and each other … then they win. The general masses are sheep. Clueless as to who’s running the show …. quite happy to remain a slave to the money-as-debt system e call banks – and your Congressmen, Senators, and President are all party to it as the ‘alphas’ … the sheep are quite happy to have their remaining wealth milked time after time by magical and mysterious ‘recessions’ and ‘property bubbles’ and weird ‘stock market crashes’ which are all very much man-made, caused by banks decreasing the volume of currency in supply – their currency not the people’s… as Lincoln and JFK intended – and all the cash goes into the same ever-growing pockets ….. every single time …. and there’s only one family’s name at the top of the pyramid on all of your dollar bills …. the people that own you hook line and sinker. The family that holds all of your birth certs, federal territories, national parks and land as collateral on an eighty year old loan….. controls your country, your media and everything else on this God-forsaken planet.

        The family that has it all …. but you will never hear the name of the devil in your media, you dare not speak its name.

        Here beginneth the off-season ….

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          lol – sometimes i miss these rants. oh no they wrote something in stone. it must be significant, because no cultures or groups ever did crap just for the hell of it or for other insane reasons. ie Cerne Abbas Giant.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerne_Abbas_Giant

    • BearDown100393

      Jake Cutler does not care to learn the real meaning behind The Needle & The Damage Done.

      • BillW

        Great Neil Young reference. Off topic – just got the CSNY 1974 CD/DVD that Graham Nash spearheaded (released in 2014). Haven’t listened yet but supposed to be great.

        • BearDown100393

          Netflix has a documentary on CSNY covering the Living With War tour.

    • BillW

      While I am personally opposed to the idea, the precedent has been set by Obamacare. You don’t force parents to vaccinate their kids – you just tax them if they don’t..

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Not good enough – fundamentally a different problem.

        • SC Dave

          How so?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            How do you not get the difference between public safety vs. economics? I mean, I know you’re a Rand-ian, but there’s basic issues of public safety involved in vaccination against childhood diseases vs. the economics of private vs. public health coverage.
            If you can’t reasonably differentiate between the two…

          • willbest

            This is nonsense. There is no public health consideration. If you had the vaccine you are unlikely to even get infected, and if you are your chances of death or serious injury are no worse than than influenza. The year before the measles vaccine there were 230 deaths to measles on about 650,000 reported cases and estimate 4 million total cases.

            You are far more likely to die in an alcohol related “accident” than by one of these diseases. So unless you are preaching prohibition, peddle your public safety claptrap someplace else.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            “No public health consideration”.
            Are you mentally deficient? I pray you don’t have kids. Your statistics aren’t right even if you factor in that you count with your fingers.
            And Measles vaccination has at least as much to do with the potentially life-long effects of the infection, and the morbidity rates associated with things like enchepalitis that you can come away with. Oh sure, you can survive that too, although fun things like blindness, permanent brain damage, deafness, etc, are also on the menu.
            But you keep on keeping on with your bad self and figuring that if you don’t die in a car accident, well, it didn’t count.
            I’ll send you a get well card.

          • willbest

            First, my numbers are from the government. So if I made them up, so did your government.

            If you don’t like me cherry picking 1962, fine

            “Measles vaccine was licensed in the United States in 1963. During 1958-1962, an average of 503,282 measles cases and 432 measles-associated deaths were reported each year”

            http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm

            So only marginally worse than my rosy picture. But then that is using 1950s medicine. I suspect we could do better 60+ years later.

            And you are absolute correct in your assessment that there are other considerations. But then again there are more complications from alcohol consumption than just the 88,000 annual deaths the CDC records there. Paralysis, impaired liver/kidney function, domestic abuse, etc.

            Second, unlike you I have an understanding of probability and risk assessment (which is good because that is what my job involves). And I could give a toss what you or anybody else does in terms of vaccination. We let people do far more dangerous things from a public a health standpoint than walk around unvaccinated because freedom, liberty, and right to choose. So all you are really doing is attacking some group of people over your own fears and bias.

            Third, I love how the knee-jerk reaction all you ideologues suffer is to assume that just because I defend the right to choose means that I don’t vaccinate. Its as if you are so afraid of having an intelligent conversation on the topic that you move straight to disqualifying anybody that doesn’t share your world views.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            An infectious disease that can be innoculated against vs. imbibing alcohol (which tends not to be something that infants do)…that’s dumb as dumb gets.
            And yes, you’re cherry-picking numbers and didn’t bother to use current projections based on actual data that, you know, account for population growth and other factors as well. For someone so well versed in probability and risk assessment, you’re not doing a very good job of articulating your case.
            I bet you think polio vaccination should be a choice too?

          • willbest

            Its like you are trying to be stupid. What is it you think I am supposed to project? I am not advocating for no vaccinations. Which means it can’t possibly be worse than the 1962 data. And then medical care is so much better today than it was back then. And the issue isn’t whether people die to alcohol. Nobody cares if you do something stupid and kill/harm yourself. The issue is always if you do something stupid, and kill/harm somebody else. And alcohol kills/harms a lot of other people annually.

            Funny you should mention the polio vaccine though. In about a decade or so nobody is going to get it because it will have been eradicated worldwide. Sort of like how nobody after the mid 80s got the small pox vaccine. You can actually thank Bill Gates for that.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Way to undermine your own point before I got there.
            Your lack of an argument is evident. Carry on.

          • willbest

            My 5 year has higher level reasoning than you. Vaccines have never been mandatory. Sure schools “require” them but you can drive a bus through all the exemptions. And yet, they have been effective.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            They are effective in total because of, oddly enough for an actuary to not understand, mathematics.
            Your conflation of issues of personal health and responsibility with infectious disease are proof that while you may have a degree in law, I’d prefer to call Saul.
            You can choose to drink and harm only yourself. If you drink and drive, where you then place other lives in jeopardy, you are subject to criminal and civil law.
            If you assault another person because you’re intoxicated, you’re subject to the same.
            That dichotomy between personal freedoms and societal mores and laws is frankly impossible with infectious disease unless you choose to use your freedom to also remove yourself from society altogether.
            And the reason you didn’t respond regarding smallpox, polio, or any other serious disease that can be innoculated against is that your entire rationale about MMR falls apart unless you think it’s all up for grabs.
            Otherwise, you, the supreme rational being, get to make a choice about which potentially deadly disease is up to the individual to expose the rest of us to based on our perception (not medical professionals) of its potential danger. And that seems like a pretty bad idea.
            How many deaths per year due to a preventable infectious disease are an acceptable ratio vs.your personal freedom of non-vaccination?
            Engaging in society is a trade-off of personal vs. societal freedoms and obligations, whether your 12-year old “I’m the center of the universe” perception of reality understands that or not.
            But you go on keeping on, brah.

          • willbest

            Its must be an underdeveloped oblongata that is sending you into some panic based state of tyranny. Either vaccines protect you or they don’t. In the former it is irrelevant as to whether or not another person walks around infected. In the latter, you are just as culpable in the transmission of the disease as anybody that chooses not to vaccinate. There is no Fing gold star for trying in life. So the answer to your question is a lot, because there aren’t a lot of innocents harmed (people too young to be vaccinated). It is unlikely that any particular disease will clear the 3,000 or so innocent lives lost each year due to preventable alcohol consumption, and the non-innocent deaths and serious injury are the best selling points for vaccines. You don’t need to mandate people take polio or smallpox because those are scary diseases.

            Your faith in the medical profession isn’t surprising, but it is misguided, they are often wrong (google: doctors not washing hands). And they commit fraud in their datasets (MMR-autism, betablockers during no cardiac surgery). And they are hardly unanimous (consider the various countries chose different levels of travel restrictions during Ebola or any other outbreak, every country has different vaccination schedules, etc). Most doctors don’t know any more than what they have been told, because med school doesn’t give you all that much time for original thinking and they are blithering idiots outside of their particular specialty.

            Plus the whole process isn’t exactly done entirely for the best interest of the population since it is still a bureaucracy, and there is still power, influence, and money involved. For example, right now we still vaccinate for Polio right now even though at this point during the smallpox eradication we had stopped.

            And I am not just ragging on doctors. Most experts aren’t as smart as the hive. 60%+ of fund managers fail to beat the market with any regularity. So how can you be at all confident in trusting the CDC to find the right talent where the top salaries there top out under 250k in a field where the best and the brightest regularly clear 7 figures, and even competent doctors clear 500k

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Hilarious that you would reference MMR-autism and the fraudulent link as an example of why you don’t trust experts in medicine. It was the scientific method, the one you should have learned about in kindergarten, as practiced by other actual medical experts that proved its fallacy.
            You know, there’s nothing quite like a autodidact who is perpetually dismissive of actual experts.
            Vaccines protect on the basis of herd immunity as well as those who actually participate. Some of those “free riders” happen to be individuals who, like any child under the age of 1 or those who cannot vaccinate because of an immune system suppresive condition CANNOT choose to either gain immunity themselves or not. Their protection from infection is completely based on social behavior by others and whether they are self-centered morons who ignore basic science or not.
            Your initial statements are so ignorant as to make any comment on your alcohol fixation redundant.

          • Cormonster

            Are you an Actuary?

          • willbest

            I assess market viability for businesses, among other things. I have degrees in computer science, mathematics, and law.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      The government forces us to all wear seat belts, per the law. Some people chose to break that law and they get fined if caught. The law is there for two reasons, the safety of the driver and the reduced risk of injury which keeps both insurance premiums and use of medical resources down.

      I don’t see this issue much different. If you are going to send your kids to school, it should be a law they must be vaccinated. If the parents chose not to vaccinate their children then they can home school them. This is a public health issue and it should be law for the safety of all.

      • BillW

        Best argument I’ve heard – if you send your child to a public state government funded school, then they have a right to determine how to conduct safe environment for the children – some have zero tolerance for knives, etc so why not require vaccines?

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Are those kids also only going to eat home-cooked meals? No, this isn’t about schools (or at least only about schools).

          Shit, the outbreak recently came from Disneyland.
          Not that we’re actually going to come up with great policy decisions on DBB, but home-school vs. public school doesn’t work for a public health issue.

          • Johnnywad

            I’m not convinced we won’t perform better than Congress.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Congress “performs” for the Cameras and for lobbyists.

            That’s it.

            That’s the list.

          • SC Dave

            No, one more. Each other.

          • AlbertInTucson

            That falls under “Lobbying”.

        • Irish Sweetness

          If you send your child to a state-funded school they have the right to shoot your kid full of whatever shit they want, Bill? Where does that stop, “oops – Johnny’s a little bit lively there with his questions and dangerous banter …. Ritalin for him… Tommy! ….shut him up! … 20 mg of thorazine for Tommy …”

          Jesus Bill, do you have kids? Do you trust ‘the state’ beyond a shadow of any doubt? Anyone who believes in that bunch of self-serving hypocrites that much is just another North Korean. What’s next? The Khmer Baton Rouge? The year zero?

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Thorazine vs. MMR vaccine. Extrapolate much?

          • Cormonster

            Sometimes I need those highs and lows. I need to let the monster inside me come on out and play. After the damage is done, the Thorazine shuffle makes everything OK.

          • BillW

            Yes I have kids. All adults. One grandchild under 1.

            I see your point quite well. Rights in conflict will always produce compromises. I think a child in a public school has a right to expect a safe environment. But who decides what it safe – and how far o we go in the name of safety? That’s where rights conflict. Not an easy decision.

        • willbest

          The best argument I saw was to require immunity. So either give your kids the shot, or have them sprayed with the disease.

          Mandating they get injected however is immoral (as is mandating they buy health insurance). Denying a person access to public benefits that you charge them for is also immoral.

      • Bear Down in Tampa

        Yeah let’s compare invasive medical procedures involving chemicals you all can’t pronounce versus putting on a external restrictive harness in an automobile. Yeah that’s the same…

        Also, read up on it, not everyone who got the measles in this recent outbreak was vaccinated. Making vaccines mandatory leads to a slippery slope where the government can inject you with whatever they want in the name of a vaccine. You don’t believe in slippery slopes? Ok, well just take a look at insurance, first it was mandatory auto insurance then it was mandatory health insurance that slope has already started. I wonder what’s next? Mandatory personal liability insurance? Also, I am not an “anti-vaxxer” my kids have had their vaccines, but let’s not sit here and marginalize those that object to them. You want to make vaccines mandatory, make them mandatory for travelers coming from 3rd world countries (you know, our undocumented friends from the south who brought that crap back here after we eradicated it…)

        • John Doe

          Sorry, this is tea bagger talk.

          • SC Dave

            I love how non-thinkers label stuff they don’t like as “tea bagger”. As if they had the faintest clue of what the Tea Party started out as before they were smeared by the statist-liberal MSM.

          • John Doe

            They themselves started out calling themselves as Tea Baggers. You don’t know that part of history when started out in April 2009.

            Talking like Rush Limbaugh dittohead and using terms like statist (which does not apply at all in the United States) is exactly what Tea Baggers do.

            For me it will always be, Tea Party = Tea Baggers

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Did you come up with that all by yourself? I mean you’re obviously a man of high intellect, being able to fashion a term for a sex act from a political movement is the stuff of genius. Tell me do they even promote such learned men at the Wal-Mart you work at or do they pass you over for the guy whose parents are cousins?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Is that the same as a “truther” ? Somebody who looks at an argument or range of facts logically and analytically and comes up with a hypothesis that may be disturbing and against the status quo?

            Aside: Fox News take note – ‘teabagging’ is the act of dipping one’s scrotum into the mouth of another.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Anybody can come up with a hypothesis. The problem with “truthers” is that the scientific method stops right there for them. No amount of evidence, logic, or rigorous academic thought involved – just a fart from the brain that they seize and clutch tightly to their bosoms.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hmmmm. Telling somebody to wear a seatbelt and forcibly injecting your kid with a substance perhaps against your wishes are two completely different things. I can rationalize a seatbelt, I cannot rationalize a clear liquid whose content and effects I have no knowledge or trust in. Were the state a trustworthy entity then it’s a nother story. They are not a trustworthy entity. And under Emergency War Powers – which have never been lifted, and the Supreme Court warned the people of this in the early Seventies – the citizen … you all … are listed as enemies.

        Once more U.S.A.

        WAKE. THE. FUCK. UP.

        And the truth shall set ye free……

        John 8:31

        • Trac

          This is my opinion as well but there have been some serious heretics that have lied about the negative effects of some immunizations that clearly parents should protect their kids with. Concerning John 8:31, the truth is the testimony of Jesus Christ.

          My people are destroyed for for lack of knowledge because they have rejected knowledge…..

          Hosea 4:6

          Dead people don’t wake up.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Keep your crazy elsewhere.

        • Bears-4-Ever

          Irish you are my favorite Conspiracy blogger here. I mean that really and not in a bad way. I understand where you are coming from, but the vaccines for these “out dated” diseases have been around for 70 odd years. They are proven and they are legitimate. Sure, someone could have an allergic reaction, that can happen with any medication.

          This is nothing new, and a law would not force anyone to immunize your child EXCEPT if you are planning on sending that child to a school. Then you must have them vaccinated or you will not be allowed to attend said school. If the parents truly wish their children not be immunized then they have to home school them.

          Now, in regards to foreign nationals bringing a disease into the country, not much you can do about that, we cannot control another nations citizens and their actions or in-actions. If the foreign national is interested in becoming a US Citizen and want to send thier kids to school the same law would apply.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i believe every state already has laws on the books regarding immunizations in relations to public schools, the Federal govt has not made any such law. Also most have some type of exemption policy, where a parent can object to immunizations for personal or religious reasons.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            So a Federal Law would not be very far from what is on the State Books now? Fine by me. I still think immunization should be mandatory for any child planning on attending school.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis
    • Irish Sweetness

      I say beware. Once something like that becomes compulsory …. you have to ask what’s in it. I want to see INDEPENDENT labs test this stuff. And even then I wouldn’t trust them. These are the people that got mothers to take thalidomide remember. These are the people for whom the army tests mind-controlling substances. Your shadow government, the one you never see.

      (takes off one-piece tin-foil hat with toupee, sets it down and returns to scratching own balls)

    • MichiganBearFan

      Vaccinating against Polio and MMR should always be mandatory. Why people even think otherwise amazes me. Do you know that the measles vaccine is only 97% effective across the entire population? So even if every person is vaccinated in a population, three percent is susceptible to the virus at all times. It does not take long for one case to spread to many. I think there were as few as 30 yearly cases of measles in the entire country a few years ago. More kids die of flu every year than every case of death due to a reaction to the MMR virus.
      Really, I am glad my kids have no idea what an iron lung is. And Irish, the NWO types would love it if nobody vaccinated their children. Its easier to control populations with carefully planned amped up strains of measles. Much easier than trace elements administered twice in a lifetime.
      Now forced vaccinations against HPV…that’s a different story.

  • Peyton

    This is a crazy thought. Broncos tell Manning they don’t want him to come back. He gets released. Takes a paycut and decides to play for John Fox/Adam Gase again. Very unlikely scenario given money involved but still.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Isn’t it suspected that a rift between Manning and Fox is what made Fox available in the first place?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Manning on the Bears ? Nah, I wanna WIN a superbowl.

  • GPLDAN

    Only 12 orgies in 3 years, Eyes Wide Shut Style

    http://tinyurl.com/orpgkt9

    I think MB has that beat.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The orgy scenes in that movie were filmed at Nathan Rothschild’s home in London. Kubrick showed his final cut to Warner Bros. execs and was found dead three days later …. wait … there’s somebody at the door ……

      • AlbertInTucson

        IMO, that movie stunk out loud.Likely the UNsexiest “Sexy” film ever.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Great movie I thought. Kubrick was telling us how it is – he knew these people, they courted him as an artist.

  • Scharfinator

    Hey Jeff, is that your pup in this photo?

  • John Doe

    Michael C. Wright11m
    Based on estimated cap of $140M, Bears would be sitting with around $27.33M in cap space.

    Set aside $4-5 million for draft and $2.3 million for in season emergencies. that leaves Bears with $20 million for 2015 free agents. Although Mike Florio reported last year that the 2015 cap might end up at $145 million and the 2016 cap will be $160 million. That is a lot of cap space for Bears to make moves.

    • Trac

      I’d use evra bit of it on defense.

    • Shady

      With the extra space you’d think the Bears could add significantly more players… But if every team in the league is getting that extra space, wouldn’t it just result in larger contracts for the same amount of players?

      • John Doe

        Teams that draft well and use the “cheap” 4 years of players well will be at a significant advantage and get those pricey difference makers.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        No… because the motherfuckers have agreements in the direction of low balling the players. It’s called collusion. Only the contracts of the superstars will expand.

        The real problem is that there aren’t enough good/great players in FA. That’s why trades should be a big part of building a solid squad if you want to go for the win now.

      • NewBearInTown

        At the top of the salary spectrum, absolutely. QBs especially are seeing crazy contract inflation.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      And the Bears should trade/cut Cutler making it even better.

  • CanadaBear

    Hey NBIT I answered you in the previous thread but thought I’d bring up to the land of the living. I heard a clip a sound engineer did with the Smith Petty songs. He slowed down Smith’s and lowered the pitch on Petty’s. Then he overlaid them. It sounded like 1 song. If Smith didn’t settle it wouldn’t have been pretty for him. BTW I’m not a big fan of either artist but you just can’t steal songs that blatantly.

    • NewBearInTown

      I’ve heard the clip. The first two lines of the chorus are a match. That is exactly ten notes. Ten very memorable notes, but ten notes. The law is such that the melody does get a lot of precedence, but the fact is the tracks are very different. They just have similar melodies.
      I don’t believe that the arts are being advanced by that being copyright infringement. I also don’t think Tom Petty should be filing that kind of lawsuit – he’s not a sympathetic plaintiff in any way, shape or form.
      If Sam Smith did an interview and said “Yeah man, we heard the hook from the Petty song and we wanted to kind of tweek it and turn it into something that more fits my style and voice. But if you listen, you can still hear what I was listening to when I started writing the track.”
      If a drummer, bass player, rhythm guitarist, classical composer, or anyone else of the sort were to say that – no problem. But because its the melody, boom lawsuit. I wasn’t saying Smith would have won, I’m saying I wish the law was such that would have.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    “Isn’t being a total liar plenty ammunition enough to just fire Brian Williams?”

    Apparently not.

    NBC did slap Brian Williams with a 6 month suspension without pay.

    http://press.nbcnews.com/2015/02/10/a-note-from-deborah-turness/

    • SC Dave

      What? He’s MSM. They all lie every day.

    • BearDown100393

      6 months is plenty of time to write his fake memoir.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      His lies were a patriotic act. His viewers eat that shit up.

      If the war was based on lies it’s not like you can accuse some nobody for trying to personalize the events. He’s a propagandist after all… and not a very smart one.

    • BillW

      Well this is Lester Holt’s big chance (was once the Channel 2 anchor in Chicago replacing Bill Kurtis and worked with Linda MacLennan)

    • willbest

      If I were Brian Williams I would sue on the grounds NBC had full knowledge of the lies when he signed his contract extension a month ago and therefore they cannot be held against him for breach of contract.

      I would bet he wins too.

      • AlbertInTucson

        IF that were the case, he would never have stepped aside vouluntarily, which he DID before NBC suspended him. He also would have played such a card by now if he had it.

        • willbest

          The first step in a lawsuit is not to file the lawsuit. Especially since neither side is going to be interested in the public documentation process that would result. It is also possible that the contract has an arbitration or mediation clause that must be triggered before litigation. So while NBC might publicly announce suspended without pay. William’s attorney would politely remind them in a letter that they are now in breach of contract.

          The process doesn’t move as quickly as it shows on TV. Even trivial litigation such as this could take a couple years. And rest assured Brian Williams will be interested. You don’t just walk away from 5 million you are owed just because you F’d up. See Jay Cutler

          • AlbertInTucson

            “William’s attorney would politely remind them in a letter that they are now in breach of contract.”

            Facts not in evidence.

            What IS in evidence is that Mr. Williams IS suspended without pay and not very likely to be seen on NBC again.

            There are morals clauses in those anchor/reporter contracts and he’s already admitted to what he’s been accused of.

          • willbest

            What is in evidence is that Williams is suspended and NBC is going to withhold pay. What is not in evidence is whether or not they are within their right to do so. You are right that there would be all sorts of conduct clauses in there. However, there is a presumption of good faith and fair dealings. That means that if there is a morality clause, and they had knowledge of those prior moral transgressions those transgressions cannot be a basis upon which they invoke the morality clause.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I think that NBC knew he was making that stuff up is a reach.

            If he had that kind of leverage on them he wouldn’t have been set down for 6 months.

            I expect they’ll work out a financial settlement on the balance of his contract and you’ve seen the last of Brian Williams on NBC.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Williams has declined to comment on his suspension, and the head-spinning aspect of his fall from grace may have precluded him from thinking about his future. He may decide he doesn’t want to continue in his present role, or at NBC, with the six months offering him and NBC Universal a chance to negotiate a settlement.” – Associated Press

  • SC Dave

    Good god, stop all idiot talk about Forte already. He is the #1 player on the offense we should keep. The only others that are close are Jeffery and Long.

    And on the GOAT stuff, many of you were evidently too young, watching Payton as starry-eyed little kids. He was arguably not even the best running back when he played (um, Sanders) and clearly not the GOAT.

    Jim Brown was a Pro-Bowler every season of his career. Not sure what happened in 1962, but it was the only season in his career that he was not voted the best running back in the NFL (1st team All-Pro), and the only season he did not lead the league in rushing and in rushing yards per game. 126 TD in 118 games. Led the league in total yards two-thirds of his career. Just a fucking monster. GOAT.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJi00.htm

    • “He was arguably not even the best running back when he played (um, Sanders) ”

      Payton retired in 1987. Sanders’ rookie year was 1989. Walter Payton was DEFINITELY the best RB in the NFL while he played. 6x 1st team All-Pro and 3x 2nd team in 13 NFL seasons and named the best RB of both the 1970s and 1980s.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Thank you, JW.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Let me preface this my saying, obviously, I love Walter.

        But you’re stats man, Woodsy.

        Bo Jackson averaged 6.8 YPC in the strike-shortened ’87 season, and was at that moment in time, a far more explosive back. Walter’s average was 3.7 YPC that year.

        Compare Wally’s stats with Eric Dickerson’s when Dicko was with the Rams 83-87. Dicko’s got the better yardage and TDs over Wally. And anyone who saw Eric Dickerson get an inch of daylight knows that meant he was gone. Untouchable.

        Wally had the greatest career though. @#$! Emmitt Smith.

        • I was responding specifically to Barry Sanders. I wasn’t around in that era, so I can’t judge much. But Payton was voted to all-decade team for both 70s and 80s.

        • BerwynBomber

          So you’re comparing the YPC of Peyton’s final year in the pros vs. some ungodly stretch by Bo Jackson that wasn’t a full season? Btw, how was Bo on blitz pick-up and as a receiving RB?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Bo “..was at that moment in time, a far more explosive back.”

            He was.

            For that season in 1987 – as a running back – Bo was clearly the man. Receiving, blocking, anything else, another story. Dickerson didn’t really do receiving.

            Woodsy was saying that while he played, Wally was DEFINITELY the best running back that was playing – which isn’t strictly true if one focuses on the word ‘running’.

          • BerwynBomber

            Fair enough

      • BillW

        “Payton retired in 1987. Sanders’ rookie year was 1989. ”

        Facts are inconvenient (sarcasm).

        • AlbertInTucson

          And “Ignorance is bliss.”

      • SC Dave

        Oops. That’ll teach me to rely on memory.

    • beninnorcal

      Ok, Dave, Walter Payton wasn’t even close to GOAT, riiiiight.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Don’t stop him…he’s on a roll.

    • BillW

      Payton was not the best running back ever. But he was a much better all around football player than any other runner you can name. Period.

      • SC Dave

        I was going to finish my post with that, but wanted to wait for the reactions to my sacrilege first.

    • BerwynBomber

      And Jim Brown was famously uninterested in blocking and was by all accounts horrendous at it. So on the versatility chart he rates rather low.

  • Shady

    17m
    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Jackie Robinson West. Why I always warn people not to buy into these uplifting or inspiring sports stories. There’s always a catch.

    Didn’t think I could become more cynical than I was, but here we go again. Sigh.

    • BearDown100393

      Jake Cutler does not care about inspiration and always plays it cynical while in the huddle.

    • BillW

      Sad. And now the inevitable race card playing by the parents. (Already happening according to the Tribune article I just read). And so JJ and Rev Al will get involved. And since they went to the White House, Obama will have to say something, as will Rahm.

      One mom: “Wouldn’t you rather them playing baseball than joining gangs?” Totally and intentionally missing the point. “Let us cheat to make up for the miserable life we have” that seems to be saying. Why – because you can’t succeed without it? That’s more insulting to African Americans than what many bigots say.

      I can see why people have simply gotten tired of the race discussion. I never gets past people using it as an excuse for failure.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I applaud Jackie Robinson West. I obviously never gave a crap before, but now I’ve become a fan. They’re inspiring now…fuck the system, play the system. …especially if you’re black… that’s a vital life lesson right there.

      • BillW

        It sets race relations back when stuff like this happens. To some people in the US that matters.

        • AlbertInTucson

          But. weren’t they coached by Brian Williams?

          • BearDown100393

            Not coached. Managed by Brian Williams! (Here is a little known fact but Brian Williams is going into the Baseball HOF)

        • AlbertInTucson

          Another stretch of pavement on the road to hell.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          nope. Not the race relations, maybe the public relations

    • BillW

      The alderman in that section of Chicago is defending them strongly and claiming they did it because no other neighborhoods would take the ineligible kids on their teams because they were black.

      How does she even know that? And how likely is that given the (unfortunate) still segregated neighborhoods in Chicago?

      She calls boundaries a technicality and says it shouldn’t matter. Oh yeah? Try that one if people outside the ward boundaries try to vote for her opponent.

      Playing the race card sets back relationships quite a lot. I’ll say it – this is going to prompt black people to say incredibly stupid things like that, hiding behind the “racist” claim if anyone criticizes them.

      Yet if a white suburban team was found guilty of the same thing – where would be the outrage?

      • BearDown100393

        Austin is running for re-election against 3 competitors. Her rhetoric is geared toward winning votes.

    • Cormonster

      I’ve been cynical about Little League since I was 12 years old. It was corrupt when I was playing in the early 80’s.

  • Peanut FTW

    Ah Jeff, sometimes it’s fun to be a little childish right? C’mon if I was Tom Brady I would set something up so everyday I did tweet @RSherman that said U mad bro?

    • BerwynBomber

      And ironically enough Brady cheats also …

  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “Jackie Robinson West. Why I always warn people not to buy into these uplifting or inspiring sports stories. There’s always a catch.”

    Here is a good idea. Don’t run two weeks of LLWS programming. Dan Bernstein, I thought, made a good point yesterday when stating that he doesn’t turn on the television to watch children. Televising the LLWS as much as ESPN does almost comes off as a little creepy, not a whole lot different than televising a childhood beauty pageant. Kill off most of the TV dollars/exposure associated with the event and you might find people less prone to cheat.

    • BearDown100393

      And yet every blog post featuring an upcoming Bears contains “I always like the Bears”

      • GPLDAN

        The Trestman year was the first year Jeff threw in the towel and said “fuck it, I DON’T like the Bears.”

        It was like if Carol Brady kicked Mike Brady in the groin and told him to go get his blowjobs elsewhere, the dirty perv. Everybody gasped.

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          Does that make the Rev our very own Tiger?

        • he wasn’t the only one; there were many who felt that was as 2014 wore on. It got to the point that I was more interested in what new way the Bears would embarrass themselves than what happened during the games.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      I will admit i love watching the LLWS. there is something pure about it. just a couple of issues.

      1. over the years ESPN has expanded its coverage a little to much by showing regional games instead of just the games played strictly at Williamsport.
      2. I don’t agree with the way ESPN and the rest of the news outlets hype individual players like they did with Mo’ne Davis.

      • BerwynBomber

        Holds no interest for me. But then again I can’t get into nationally televised H.S. football or basketball games either. College seems young enough.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          never was able to get into H.S. games on TV, i only watch College basketball during the tourney. I never used to watch the LLWS, but then i started working from home and i initially watched as a distraction from work. The fundamentals that the kids have, the good sportsmanship they promote, and the pure love of the game that the kids display, got me hooked. It’s something that you don’t see much in the pros.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Of course.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “Kill off most of the TV dollars/exposure associated with the event”

      I don’t think that that genie goes back into it’s bottle once it is out.

  • GPLDAN

    Jake Cutler and Chuck Barkley don’t give no fuck about analytics

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/11/charles-barkley-doesnt-want-to-hear-about-your-analytics/

  • GPLDAN

    Better Call Saul is awesome. – Carl The Truth Williams righteous.

    • Shady

      I was a bit skeptical myself after hearing all the hype, but it is pretty great. The 1st episode was a but slow, but episode 2 totally redeemed the show. Biznatch.

      • GPLDAN

        Breadsticks and boobies.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      10 minutes of greatness and 80 minutes of absolute boredom.

    • BearDown100393

      I have to admit being a bit bored watching episode one the first time. Episode two was entertaining. Seemed to be a lot of internet discussion about the pilot written for the “true” Breaking Bad followers with a lot of small details reintroduced to merge the first show with its spinoff.

      • GPLDAN

        It needed to start with the present. It needed to establish who McGill was now, constantly looking over his shoulder the rest of his life to establish the pathos that the story arc will follow.

        Everybody knows how it ends. To go back and flesh in the details and make it a great show is the most difficult highwire act a writer can take on. Lucas crashed and burned writing Anakin Skywalker’s story.

        It needed to establish the characters in his universe. His brother, his friends or lack thereof, his business. So yes, episode one was going to be slow.

        • BearDown100393

          (Speaking only for myself) I struggle through most pilots no different then getting through the first chapter of a novel. It has always been a bit difficult for me to understand and absorb the surrounding/characters/relationships upon first encounter. Once “I get the lay of the land” (so to speak) I’m good and engaged in the series. Very few shows hooked me right from the get-go. The Sopranos and Breaking Bad pilots were unique for engaging me into the plot immediately.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Tark the Shark” passed away.

  • GPLDAN

    Tark the Shark died yesterday. Ran that Greg Anthony & Larry “Gramama” Johnson team that kicked the NCAA tourney’s ass.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Chewed through many, many towels as well.
      Weird habit.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Stacey Augmon too, IIRC

  • John Doe

    Marshall.. sounds like he gone. Fox and Pace seem ready to move on from Marshall. Get rid of Marshall and sign Percy Harvin for $5-6 million when the Jets cut him…which they will because they don’t want to send a 4th round pick to Seattle and pay him $10.5 million in 2015.

    Patrick Finley @patrickfinley · 10m10 minutes ago

    Will Brandon Marshall return to #Bears? ‘I don’t know,’ the WR says. Has met w new brass, says he understands it’s a business

    I know many here kept denying the rumors but I think these words from BMarsh make it a real possibility.

    • beninnorcal

      Dumb idea. Marshall for Harvin? Terrible plan.

    • Percy Harvin is nothing but a big tease. More attitude problems than Marshall with only a fraction of the production.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        A more literal headache…as it were.

    • BearDown100393

      Oh he knows. #15 is saving his scoop for Inside the NFL.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      yeah…right… cause the Patriots are going to let Harvin sign with any other team for Amendola money.

  • John Doe

    Patrick Finley @patrickfinley · 5m5 minutes ago

    Brandon Marshall is clear he WANTS to stay w/ #Bears. He hasn’t gotten any guarantees though.

    Rich Campbell18m

    Bears WR Brandon Marshall says he has met with new GM Pace and HC Fox. With $7.5M pending, says he understands its a business.

    • BerwynBomber

      Wonder where he will land if shown the door. Can’t see any team in the division being too interested except maybe Minny but Minny seems to be working under a build-young-and-from-the-ground-up philosophy.

      Outside the division I could see CAR as a potential landing spot. Team BM with Olsen and young Benjamin and then Newton has a full receiving corps.

      • John Doe

        Ravens still a possibility. Trade him to Ravens for a 4th round pick. That way Bears can recoup the 5th round pick they lack in 2015 draft (which they gave to Broncos in order to jump up and get Brock Vereen).

        Save $$, save cap space, and get a pick. Why wouldn’t Bears get rid of Marshall?

        • beninnorcal

          Because that’s retarded. Sure he costs some money but he’s the best wideout to ever line up for the Bears. He’s also in his prime. What the hell are we going to get to replace him in the fourth round?!
          Alshon’s pretty good but his performance won’t be nearly the same when Marshall isn’t drawing perpetual double-teams.
          Why does everyone want to ditch Marshall all the sudden? Stop listening to the fucking Score, they’re idiots.
          I feel like I’m taking crazy pills..

          • John Doe

            Because no matter how much fans like you think how great Marshall is, if Fox and Pace have determined him to be a cancer in the locker room and a distraction then it does not matter.

            And every indication is that Marshall is getting the boot. You don’t sign your #1 receiver to an extension just 10 months ago and then that receiver says he met with coach and GM and they offered him no guarantees about his future. Just does not happen if he is indeed part of plan here.

            I didn’t listen to the score. I don’t even know what that is. You should direct your rage at Fox and Pace. I am just reading their signals and what Marshall is saying.

            And the signals are loud and clear that Marshall is a goner.

          • BerwynBomber

            But … but … you must be a “Score-on” because … well … because your opinion differs from mine!

            Joshing aside, I’m indifferent about the whole BM debate. Helluva receiver and talent and he is a gamer but I have little doubt his act has worn thin in the locker room. I also wonder if — a’la Lach, Briggs and Tillman — he is entering an injury-prone endgame of his career. The BM decision could also hinge upon whether if the Bears truly expect to contend next year and/or what the long-term plan is with Cutler.

          • “You don’t sign your #1 receiver to an extension just 10 months ago and then that receiver says he met with coach and GM and they offered him no guarantees about his future. Just does not happen if he is indeed part of plan here.”

            When the coach and GM who signed him are both gone, this is not unusual at all. Fresh start for everybody. No guarantees.

          • John Doe

            If he was really good on and off the field there would be guarantees.

            Do you think if it was Jordy Nelson instead of Brandon Marshall the situation would be the same and no there would be no gurantees to Jordy Nelson by the new coach and GM.

            Don’t kid yourself.

          • if somebody was looking at a potential rebuild and looking to save money, you never know.

            If the Bears want to be the best team possible in 2015, Marshall will be on the roster. If they are looking for a multi-year rebuild to contend and don’t care about trying to be 10-6 instead of 6-10 in 2015, he could be gone.

            No guarantees indeed, but my guess is he’s still a Bear come March 12.

          • BerwynBomber

            I tend to agree. I don’t think they bring in 60 year old Fox for a total rebuild. Still, I also wouldn’t be shocked if BM is gone by 3/12.

          • John Doe

            We will see. But you keep ignoring Marshall’s antics, distractions etc. and keep talking about how good he is. It takes both – good skills on the field and good presence in the locker room.

            May be Bears will be even better without Marshall because he was such a cancer last year.

          • Marshall has emerged as a team leader. He’s organized offseason workouts and called guys out for not caring about losing.

            The stuff I have a problem with is challenging somebody to a boxing match (twice) and that weird press conference. But an actual coach should be able to keep him in line.

          • John Doe

            You do know that he was advised against a press conference and yet he did it anyway.

            How do you think George McCaskey, who signed Marshall’s $10 million check last year, felt about that?

            How can fans be so blind and just talk about how good a player is?

            Have you ever thought it from George McCaskey’s perspective? He owns the team and he won’t like a guy he is paying overrule his wishes. Why is this so hard to understand? You think George McCaskey has no ego?

          • McCaskey has absolutely nothing to do with this decision. It will be made by Pace and Fox, who make all football decisions. If Fox thinks he can keep Marshall in line, Marshall will still be a Bear.

          • John Doe

            You are incredibly naive if you think McCaskey has nothing to do with the decision.

            the guy whose family owns the team lets his wishes known and Fox and Pace, if they are good employees, will find a way to carry out his wishes.

          • All football decisions will be made by the football people. This has been stated repeatedly by both the McCaskeys and Pace. Keeping Marshall or not is a football decision, therefore I assume it is being made by the football people, who are Pace and Fox.

            You’ll notice Marshall said he met with Pace and Fox, not any member of the McCaskey family.

            If McCaskey is a good boss (and by most indications he is), he will let people he hired do their jobs without interfering.

          • SC Dave

            Well JW, it could be argued that at least part of the decision to keep *any* player on the roster is public relations. So while Pace & Fox may be making all the *football* decisions, I suspect they do not have full say over the PR side.

          • BearDown100393

            A 31 year old man should not require a head coach to double as his babysitter. If that is needed, time to move on.

          • it’s not that he needs a babysitter. It’s that he needs a structured environment. That’s how people with mental illnesses are. When that structure falls apart, so do they.

            That’s what happened with Marshall last year, because the structure of the team vanished once people realized there was nobody in charge, which happened very early on.

          • BearDown100393

            Maybe Inside the NFL provides him sufficient structure. Or some other team. If the Bears want to move on without him, I don’t blame them one iota.

          • I would be surprised, but not shocked if they do. I’m just saying that the chaos of last years’ team, with absolutely no leadership at the top, is a worst-case scenario for somebody with an illness like BPD.

          • BearDown100393

            I really have no inkling at this time if Pace/Fox will retain #15. However if it was not meant to be for Marshall to remain a Bear, I wouldn’t be broken up over it.

          • SC Dave

            This makes perfect sense to me.

        • willbest

          Because he is the best blocking WR in the entire NFL. And they have no depth at WR.

          • John Doe

            How good Marshall is moot if Fox and Pace have decided he is not worth the trouble.

            I bet McCaskeys are also tired of him hogging the spotlight every damn time for his cause.

          • willbest

            You asked a question. I answered it. Now you are arguing something different.

            Though personally I can’t see why anybody would think what Marshall did last year was all that distracting. Despite all the supposed sideshows the guy never quit doing what he was supposed to do on the field.

          • John Doe

            But the powers that be don’t want those sideshows. Fans opinions counts for zilch.

          • Johnnywad

            Well sure. If you’re into that sort of thing.

      • willbest

        Oakland is the place where all players go to cash paychecks before they retire. And they have some talent with Carr.

  • I think Bmarsh meeting with the brass is merely a shot across the bow. Clear up any of this past silliness. Make it crystal that if he keeps up challenging ppl to fights on twitter and the such, he’ll be traded or dumped.

    That being said, wouldn’t be surprised if they’re actively shopping him around behind the scenes, but they would have to get at least a 4rth for him to make it worth while.

    If anything, do it at the beginning of camp, that way there would be one more season of Bmarsh WR university for Alshon and Wilson, before Bmarsh goes on his way.

    • John Doe

      there is no BMarsh camp this year. He did it last year and the year before because he was trying to get one last big contract.

      Everybody is on their own this year as far as off-season work outs are concerned.

      • and you’re basing this on what knowledge, exactly?

        • John Doe

          Self-interest. He had all the incentives till last year before signing extension to be on his best behavior.

          Not that hard to understand.

          • Again, what prompts you to state this completely as fact?

            If he only cared about signing the big contract, why would he insist on playing through an ankle injury this year that was supposed to sideline him for over a month?

          • John Doe

            Because marshall is nuts for his personal stats. He himself has admitted this. He knows his Year to Date yards in between plays and keeps track of it. He is obssessed with 1000 yard each season stat. That is why he plays through injury to the detriment of the team sometimes and that is why is used constantly ask Cutler for the ball.

            And know not all WRs are like that. Alshon Jeffery for example.

          • 1) Do you have references to back those claims up?

            2) Then why has Marshall been incredibly supportive of Jeffery as his role has expanded instead of griping about another WR passing him up in yards last year and in pretty much everything this year?

          • John Doe

            You can google it. Even Cutler confirmed in one interview last year that marshall keeps his ytd yardage in between plays. Cutler admitted he was shocked to learn that.

          • I tried Googling it. Tried “Brandon Marshall keeps track of his yardage” and “Brandon Marshall is obsessed with his stats.”

            Didn’t find anything. If you want to state information as fact, you need to be able to back it up. So back it up or stop saying it.

          • Scharfinator

            This. Unsubstantiated claims are shit.

          • SC Dave

            Yeah, you’d think it was Twitter or something.

          • Scott W.

            Yes. Your “This”.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            man i love how the blog members call out people for making shit up.

          • BearDown100393

            I’m fairly certain throughout it all, Brandon Marshall likes his stats but also wants his team to win football games.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            The organization do not take into consideration of contract money how well someone goes out of the way to develop other player….If BMarsh was that selfish then he would have found other ways to make money, not spend months and months developing younger players two years in a row…how about it is about him developing brotherhood and helping the team getting a better shot at winning? Is that just too much to think about on the other side of the coin?

          • Big Mike

            Doesn’t count. You are just speculating. Good opinion. Might be right.

      • Scott W.

        I guess when you’re posting anonymously on a blog, you can make all the unsupported declarative statements that randomly float into view.
        So, I declare that Cutler has been in secret meetings with Buffalo to trade himself for shares in the speculative Bills-To-Toronto stock.

    • GPLDAN

      I think BMarsh is a goof and needs to be somewhere else.

      • Big Mike

        Disagree that he belongs somewhere else. For a team with a talent gap, Marshall is necessary. He’s also a good leader of the WR group.

  • Here is why I have a very hard time saying Marshall cares about nothing but his stats, his contract, etc.: we have evidence he cares about winning. Remember when Chicago lost the division by losing to GB in 2012? Marshall was the most upset player on the team after that game. (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000111891/article/brandon-marshall-upset-by-chicago-bears-latest-loss )

    Remember who spoke up to everybody in the locker room after the Miami loss this year, calling guys out for not caring about losing? Marshall. It was guys like Lance Briggs who didn’t give a shit about the outcome. Marshall was pissed, and not because he didn’t have a huge game. Maybe he didn’t handle it perfectly, but at least he cared.

    If Marshall only cared about his contract, why would he go out of his way to develop Alshon Jeffery, who took targets away from him? Marshall’s numbers have decreased every year he’s been in Chicago, coinciding with a rise in Jeffery (and Bennett’s) receiving numbers, but Marshall hasn’t complained about that one bit.

    I’m not going to sit here and say he’s a perfect player/person or anything like that. But for two years in Chicago there was absolutely nothing negative you could say about him. Last year he struggled on the field due to injuries and off the field in a toxic locker room. He’s still one of the best WRs in the NFL and a leader on this team, and I hope he is back with the Bears in 2015 because that will mean good things for them both on and off the field.

    • BearDown100393

      IMO Marshall wants to win football games. It is also my opinion that his teammates really do not give a f*ck what he thinks. Marshall was mired in an injury prone season. Obviously that affects his production. Did flying out of town every week to tape Inside the NFL affect his credibility with his teammates? I do not know. But it may be possible. Something is just “not right” and it is a bit difficult to pin down.

      • I’m curious to see if Fox lets him continue doing that (assuming he stays on the Bears this year).

        I’m not saying Marshall is perfect, but IMO he’s catching way more shit for last year than he should. Same for Cutler and Jared Allen. Big names are easy targets.

      • SC Dave

        Perhaps the “not right” exists far more in the minds of the writers than anywhere else. I’m pretty much on board with the notion that there were too many frustrations last season team-wide to draw too many conclusions.

        On the surface, one could easily imagine the TV show being perceived as a lack of dedication to the team. But we’re not at those practices or meetings to see the focus Brandon brings (or doesn’t bring, as the case may be).

    • BerwynBomber

      “I’m not going to sit here and say he’s a perfect player/person or anything like that.”

      Given his extensive jacket, I would hope not.

      The Miami tirade appealed to fans but I’m not sure how well that went over in the lockerroom. There might have been other players trying just as hard as Marshall and they may well have resented the presumption to the contrary.

      He’s a baller and damn talented but I don’t think it is a huge stretch to imagine him as a pain in the ass. Doesn’t mean they should get rid of him — the NFL is filled with “characters” — but I could see the orginization tiring of him.

  • burntorangenavyblue

    Wtf….on my way to work and home from work the Little League scandal was on both AM sports network and i drive more than an hour total for it…..what a sucky day of work and pathetic topic to have to listen.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I don’t like these player meetings. What’s the point ?

    • AlbertInTucson

      Here’s a hall pass. You don’t have to attend.

  • tobijohn

    Well, the Bucs won’t have Josh McNown to kick around anymore. There’s another possible #2 and one I wouldn’t mind seeing back. If just for those “intangibles”…

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Lovie is such a bum it’s almost impossible to comprehend. The dude is a fallacy waiting to happen.

      • GPLDAN

        A fallacy waiting to happen?

        • BearDown100393

          He stores it in a jar waiting for the perfect moment to open its lid.

    • BillW

      Clearing cap space, plain and simple. 5+ million off the books.

      The question is, why did they sign him in the first place? He reverted back to his normal stats – his year under Trestman was the aberration. I give Trestman and his system credit, but Lovie had to know he was getting a “system” QB without getting the system itself.

      • tobijohn

        I agree with all your points. I just think he would be a plus because of his familiarity with the O-side players, his selflessness, his acting an an apparent buffer for Cutler (which I think helped take some pressure off of Jay) and a leader in the locker room. The lack of leadership among the players keeps cropping up in most of the postmortems…..

        • BillW

          Oh, make no mistake. I’d love to see him back on the Bears. His ability to work within a good system makes him very valuable – along with his upbeat “can-do” attitude.

          My comments were related to Lovie only; I think McCown would be valuable under a good OC (which I hope Gase is)

          And please – don’t call him McNown! I don’t want to relive that nightmare!

          • tobijohn

            Jaysus! I did type McNown.Oooooh…

  • SC Dave

    It’s off season, so…

    Good God I cannot believe what a cunt hair we put in the White House. This egomaniac has the fucking temerity to call Staples to task for acting *exactly* as anyone with a 4th grade or better education would expect a corporation to do as a response to *his* health care policy… while out the other side of his mouth seeking to expand his dream of being American Dictator calling for additional war powers to kill people halfway around the planet.

    The madness is mind-numbing.

    And the worst of it is that the such a large percentage of the brain-dead American masses will cheer him on.

    • John Doe

      It is the offseason but it doesn’t mean you have to use your freedumb to post your Tea Bagger rant.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        thats exactly the reason for the offseason, besides he backed up his claims just as much as you did with your idiotic post about football earlier.

        • Scharfinator

          Ever get the feeling some people need to go back to being lurkers?

          • BillW

            I’m in; no desire to talk politics or anything important on a discussion board where the main “arguing style too often reverts to insults.

          • GPLDAN

            Well said Eeyore.

          • BillW

            Good to see you again, GPLDAN!

          • BearDown100393

            You’ll get one post and one post only cause I’m a lazy bastard. Politics is no fun…

        • BearDown100393

          Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?

    • Trac

      The rails have been greased.

    • GPLDAN
  • NewBearInTown

    Okay, so I’m curious what people think about this non-football topic.
    Amazon and the rest of the online shopping world are slowly killing retail establishments. Quality suffers somewhat, but ultimately people can’t resist the lower prices. Some stores are surviving by creating their own strong online presence, but historically we see that the commercial space will always favor the bigger, cheaper companies. So here’s my question…
    Since most consumer goods stores will probably not survive. What’s the future of that real estate? Will it just be restaurants and repair shops (which it is now in a lot of areas), or is there a new emerging business model that can turn those storefronts into profitable spaces again?

    • BearDown100393

      Brothels and crack house developments owned and operated by Trump Enterprises.

      • Trac

        I swear I didn’t see your post until after posting mine. Hahahaha

    • Scharfinator

      Services can’t usually be shipped, so I would expect those types of businesses to move in if the area hasn’t died out yet. Barber shops, hair salons, tax guys, etc. As for the BIG spaces, I’m not sure.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Around here and in the SouthEast, mega-churches are a popular replacement for those venues.
        No judgement, just an observation.

        • Scharfinator

          I also live in the SE – that’s a good observation. Hadn’t thought about it, but you’re definitely right.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      a lot depends on the community size and location. For instance, K-Mart has closed down a lot of stores in smaller rural/farming communities. A company like TSC (tractor supply center) has been buying up these larger buildings moving in, diversifying the products they are selling to match the needs of the communities. TSC has been quite successful at it also.

      • BillW

        In my area Lowe’s bought up the KMart stores. Competition to Home Depot which is good – and another area where mail order doesn’t work.

        The downside there though are the Ace and True Values going under.

        But the world changes. We have far less farmers around than 50-75 years ago too.

    • Trac

      Tattoo shops, rehab clinics and brothels?

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    new thread

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