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Bears need pass rush, but not at 7

| April 3rd, 2015

The Bears are like every other team in the league in that they need to stockpile as many pass-rushers as possible, but they don’t need to use the seventh pick in the draft to do it.

We’ve heard about the Bears need for pass-rush, but that need and the available talent in the draft may be overstated.

Pass rush has always been the most important way to disrupt a great quarterback, but the Bears weren’t exactly terrible in that department last year. The Bears had 39 sacks last year, one fewer than the Super Bowl Champs and two more than Seattle, the team that shut down Aaron Rodgers twice.

This isn’t to say the Bears shouldn’t try to add a sack master, but it doesn’t seem like they’re going to be able to do so with the seventh pick.

The pass rushers coming out in the draft this year have been highly-touted, but as more information is coming out, the hype seems to be fading. In my opinion, there are only two pass rushers with the talent to go in the top 10: Vic Beasley and Randy Gregory.

Beasley won’t be there. In fact, I don’t think he’s going to get past the fourth pick. Oakland head coach Jack Del Rio had Von Miller in Denver the last few seasons and Beasley is a carbon copy.

Gregory has some issues. I’m not down on him because he failed a drug test at the combine. Or necessarily that it was his third failed test. Or even that he missed three games with injury last year and all of the 2012 season with another. Or that he wasn’t academically eligible to enroll in Purdue coming out of high school. Or that he’s under 245 pounds. Or that he’s exceptionally raw. I can handle all of those things individually, but add them all together and it’s hard to be comfortable taking him that high. Whether it be because of injury or otherwise, he might have a tough time staying on the field.

The others that people have projected to the Bears — Dante Fowler Jr., Shane Ray and Bud Dupree — simply lack physical talent. As I wrote for cover32 there is a pretty direct connection between times in the three-cone drill to sack totals. Since 2011, 93.1 percent of the edge players who had 10 or more sacks ran a three-cone times better than 7.4 seconds, which is the time Fowler ran and the best of the three.

It isn’t just sacks. If you want to overrule their importance like Pro Football Focus does with their Pass Rush Productivity, 22 out of their 26 highest rated 4-3 ends or 3-4 linebackers also topped that time.

This is something the NFL has seemingly noticed. Since 2010, 22 of the 24 edge players drafted in the first round have had better times.

A slow three-cone time doesn’t mean a player will suck and a fast one doesn’t mean he’ll be good, but 93.1 percent is an awfully high number.

Fowler is a player most highly sought after and it’s popular to say he’s “more athletic on tape.” Go to Draft Breakdown, watch him vs. Florida State and count how many times Jameis Winston made him miss. Now try to figure out how he’d ever get his hands on Rodgers. Former NFL defensive end Stephen White has been scouting the edge players and his take on Fowler was particularly interesting.

It’s possible that Fowler was nursing some sort of injury or illness that we don’t know about at the combine. He could put up a better time at his pro day. If he does, maybe he gets reconsidered, but it’s hard to get the image of Winston sidestepping him out of my head.

Dupree grades well in almost every other athletic category, but he doesn’t have any pass rush moves and his 7.46 three-cone time makes me think he’ll never rack up sacks.

And Ray…forget about it. He can run fast, that’s it. And he isn’t even that fast. Before you point to college production, allow me point to Mike Sam on Dancing With the Stars.

It isn’t that these guys are all going to be bad players. I actually think Fowler and Dupree are going to be solid starters, but the Bears have solid starters, they need a sack artist and only sack artists should go in the top-10. Why spend the seventh pick on what you already have?

The Bears added Pernell McPhee and — most recently — Sam Acho in free agency to go with Jared Allen, Lamarr Houston and Willie Young. Those are five quality players to play two positions. None of them are LT, but all of them are capable and having five capable pass rushers is a scary thing.

With McPhee, the Bears have a Swiss Army Knife who can rush from anywhere. Acho isn’t well-known, but his Pass Rush Productivity on PFF rated better than Clay Matthews did. Obviously that stat is flawed since Matthews is who he is because he gets sacks and Acho is going to be playing on a “prove it” deal. The point is that, Acho got to the QB at a decent rate, a decent enough rate that he played a lot for a team with a terrific defense. If he’s the Bears third or fourth best edge defender, they’re in good shape there.

The three returning players are question marks. Allen was better than he got credit for last year. It’s hard to rack up sacks when the secondary can’t cover. Young led the team in sacks — although, he could be the latest to benefit from playing opposite Allen — and Houston got pressure, although didn’t get sacks.

Houston likely never will be a double-digit sack guy and neither Allen nor Young are likely going to get there again. McPhee certainly has that potential and Acho has shown glimpses. The Bears would certainly like to add an elite pass-rusher to make all of the other guys better, but the seventh pick might be too rich for this year’s crop.

Then there are the young guys. Cornelius Washington started to show flashes last season, David Bass has made plays the last two seasons and if Christian Jones keeps improving like he did last year, he could have a major impact.

Should they pass on an edge player in the draft, the Bears will have plenty of options. It seems likely that one of the top two receivers — Amari Cooper or Kevin White — or Leonard Williams will drop to them. Or they could grab a defensive end like Arik Armstead or maybe even safety Landon Collins, although that may be a bit of a reach for him.  Or maybe they just try to stockpile guys who can cover like Seattle has.

By not reaching for an edge rusher at seven, the Bears will push the entire group down the board and increase the chances that one of them will drop to them in the second round. The edge class may not be overly strong at the top, but it is inarguably deep. Guys like Danielle Hunter and Eli Harold are just as likely to terrorize quarterbacks as those projected to go much earlier.

The Bears can win with the pass rushers they have. If a great one were to fall in their lap, they’d find a way to use him. It seems more likely that if that is going to happen it’ll be later in the draft than with the seventh pick.

 

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  • I still really hope Beasley is there at 7. Kinda doubt it, but you never know. He’s exactly the type of player the Bears need at OLB.

    • Scott W.

      This is the long time of year where posts and articles like these just file themselves in the disheveled file cabinet I sometimes call my head.
      I have skipped this class for too many years for me to take it now, so I just try and find the most cogent and well-reasoned posts and nod my file cabinet, hoping the file folders don’t topple and scatter everywhere.
      Keep up the good work JWood & friends. That’s me in the corner, alphabetizing my Chicago Bears folders, and collecting stickers like you cool kids have.

      • BillW

        I long ago gave up following the lead up to the draft. And I’ve stopped getting excited about players the Bears pick. Way too many variables go into a draftee making it in the pros. . Mainly coaching and even the pieces around them.

        Example 1: Otis Wilson came to the Bears with a lot of promise. And it was fulfilled. But he eventually was the third best lb on the team. . If he was called on to be the feature backer he may have failed.

        Example 2: Does anyone honestly think Rodgers would be so good if the Bears drafted him?

        There is so much more to evaluating how college players will pan out. I know I can’t do it. I’d respectfully say that few people can. May as well try to predict the weather a year from now.

        • Scott W.

          Man I do hear all that.
          I find myself grateful that we won’t be in a position to take Winston, is the only definitive thing I can say.
          I’m afraid they actually would.

          • off-field concerns aside, I think Winston is the next Cutler. When he wasn’t surrounded by superior talent at every position (aka 2013), he was forcing passes and turning the ball over. A lot.

          • Scott W.

            Yer a smart guy with his eyes on the game, so take a stab for us.
            What QB in the draft is the next Rodgers? The guy that sits, learns, and develops into something special?
            Who’s hiding out there that no one is looking hard at?

          • oh man, I have no idea. I don’t think there is a next Rodgers in this draft. Those guys don’t come around all the time.
            I honestly haven’t had a chance to watch really any film on QBs this spring. I wanted to, but had some work stuff come up that prevented it from happening.

          • Scott W.

            You’ve done some work on linebackers though.
            Who’s out there in rounds 4-6 that will become our next MLB?
            A guy that will pick up the mantle left untouched since Lach lost his step.

          • Big fan of Taiwan Jones of MSU. Reminds me of Brandon Spikes a lot. Great player, but limited side to side athleticism, maybe best fits as a 2-down run stuffer, but he’s really good at that.

          • Sactowns#1

            Wait, that’s just one of the made up players off Key and Peele isn’t it?

          • Scott W.

            Hilarious.

          • Scott W.

            Was actually hoping for someone WITH side to side athleticism…

          • then I love Eric Kendricks. He’s undersized, but an absolute beast, IMO. Also a fan of Stephone Anthony.

          • Scott W.

            Just wandered over to your site again, and lo and behold, there was a QB piece by one of your colleagues.
            After Mariota, Shane Cardin caught my eye.
            So, with absolutely no basis of merit, I will blindly guess he has the stuff to become a great NFL QB.
            There. I’ve done your work for you.
            Ya really oughta read the other writers over there, Jonathan…heh!

          • I have read that piece. I did some of the editing on it. But you asked me, and I haven’t watched any of those guys but Mariota or Winston (and even them very little)

          • Scott W.

            I know, I know.
            My post was very tongue in cheek. What the hell do I know?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I believe our developmental QB is already on the roster is he not? Isn’t David … y’know … developing still ? Fales wasn’t the guy we were supposed to dump.

          • Winston does possess leadership, charm and fire though – the “IT” factor (on the field).
            So he has that over Cutty. However, Cutty never tried rape.

          • Scott W.

            So did RGIII.
            That didn’t turn out well, and he had zero off the field issues.
            Cutler just went the “Fuck Everyone” route, which was a euphemistic rape of the media.

          • RG3 did well his rookie year before he got hurt. He looked as good as Wilson (and better than Cutler IMO). Then, poof. No more.

            Personally, what I look at in a QB specifically – complete %, turnovers and grit/leadership.

            1. If a QB has a low complete % in college, it’s not going to get any easier in the NFL.
            2. Turnovers. Either you got the mentality, or you don’t by then. No matter how much it’s drilled into Cutler (or Vick, etc), he never learned to protect the ball.
            3. Once more, grit can’t be taught. If a QB hangs in there, makes the throw while getting drilled, that goes a long way towards success in the NFL. That usually makes others respect and follow, rallying the troops.

            The rest a coach can work with, I think – even arm strength to an extent. But to me, those 3 keys are crucial to successful NFL QB play.

          • Scott W.

            RGIII vs. The Shanahans, must-see-tv.
            He kinda spun out at the turn.

          • RG3 succeeded in a gimmick offense that was never going to work for more than 1 season in the NFL.

          • It was the same offense wilson ran. Heavy on the run with Alfred Morris, bootleg.

            Only difference, RG3 had too much Vick in him. Recklessly always trying to get those extra yards instead of sliding. He knows better now, but his decision making is still suspect.

            I don’t think it’s so much the offense but RG3s decision making (much like Cutler).

          • Irish Sweetness

            He raped us.

      • DaBearsBlog

        I agree with ya, Scott. That a why I get passionate folks like Andrew to produce them. I start caring about the draft about 15 minutes before it starts

        • Scott W.

          I’d throw out the Dirty Harry quote here, but I know you despise worn out cliches.
          I’ll just go with an up vote, and add I hope you’re enjoying your vacation.

        • Big Mike

          I keep up, so hopefully the guy the Bears draft is a name I recognize. Doesn’t always happen. McClellin, Long, Fuller, were not among the players I thought the Bears would grab in the first round.

        • You don’t find it fascinating trying to figure out which collegiate players will become studs or duds in the NFL? I guess it appeals to analytical nerdy minds like Data and I.

          To me, it’s must see tv. It’s a game in itself. A scout inputs all the raw data, the predictalotor tabulates – and the result should be obvious, but it’s not.

          If it were, guys like Washington and Kellen Davis would be Probowlers.

          I find that the most intriguing part – the human element. What is the “it” missing from the combine, the tape, even the interview, which makes a Brady, a Dent…

          Trying to find” it” is like the holy grail because maybe, just maybe, if you can recognize greatness in a player, one MIGHT be able to turn that critical eye to greatness in a person.

          Who knows?

          It’s like that movie GATTICA, but with football players.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Gattaca? (Guanine, adenine, thymine, and cytosine – DNA bases)

            Awesome movie. Andrew Niccol is the man. Wrote that, The Truman show, In time, Lord of war …..

  • Bears-4-Ever

    I agree with the article. If there was another “Richard Dent” in the draft I’d say jump on him, but there isn’t. I would feel better if they went for a Safety or CB over a pass rusher early on.

    • If there were another sure fire Dent in the draft, he wouldn’t fall to #7.
      That’s the problem of sucking, but not Lovie sucking. That’s why I didn’t mind us losing towards the end of an obvious lost season. We’re lucky we’re even in the top 10 in a position to possibly draft a game changer or even land Mariotta or trade down.

      • Scott W.

        Mariota is a fantasy I’d love to see become reality.
        But I think I’ve given up hope on that one.

      • If they win those last 2 close games, they’re drafting 12th or 13th instead of 7th. Then you’re just hoping guys like Dupree or Waynes are still there.

        • Yup, and last Dec when I was hoping they would lose (and still somehow cheering for them when they made big plays…it was a confusing time), Jeff and the ilk couldn’t understand why.

          And I said, come April, you’ll be thanking the stars we lost those meaningless games.

          Here’s for all those.

          I TOLD YOU SO.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Dent fell to 203!

    • Irish Sweetness

      According to the ‘experts’ there wasn’t a Richard Dent in Richard Dent’s draft.

  • GPLDAN

    Who they should take: Danny Shelton
    Who they will take: Trae Waynes

    Have the Bears ever traded down for extra picks in the 1st round in Bears history?

    • BillW

      I thought Jerry did more than once. Didn’t he get “Rex is our quarterback” that way?

      • Waffle

        Jerry specialized in trading completely out of the first round.

        • Scott W.

          Yep.

        • Trac

          Jerry specialized in something? Hahaha

    • Irish Sweetness

      We haven’t traded down because we haven’t had smart people who understood value, and getting something for nothing. If you can spot talent, then by trading down you get two players instead of one.

      Absolutely agree about Shelton over a CB. If you collapse the pocket then your CBs are almost irrelevant. The draft should be about the defense, and the defense is about the line.

  • Ken

    Beasley will be long gone before the 7th pick.
    Danny Shelton is too fat and slow.
    Go with Scherff or Cooper, so that when Cutler falls down you can plug another QB in the spot.

    • Cooper would be a good complement to Alshon.
      White however has more “upside” with his beastly size/speed.
      That’s the ole ‘higher floor/higher ceiling’ debate which makes the draft so intriguing.
      It’s like Poker. Does one go kamikaze, or check check check….

      • I prefer Cooper, personally. To me he’s Michael Crabtree, only he’s fast. He reminds me of Crabtree with the great routes he runs, but unlike Crabtree, he has the speed to go with that.

    • Irish Sweetness

      “Go with Scherff or Cooper, so that when Cutler falls down you can plug another QB in the spot.”

      Huh?

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    The article is confusing.

    “Bears need pass rush, but not at 7” in the article becomes “Don’t reach for OLB that can’t pass rush at elite level”.

    Well… of course. Please, if you select a pass rusher, make sure he can, you know, pass rush.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Interesting stuff.

    • TheBigCheesy

      This comment is confusing

      What begins as a criticism of the article becomes “interesting stuff”

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        You’re not the brightest lad of the bunch…are you ?

        • TheBigCheesy

          that depends on which bunch you are referring to.

      • BillW

        Confusing things can be interesting. Take the residents of Green Bay (please).

        Just kidding of course. Good to see you are still lurking Cheesy.

        • beninnorcal

          I’m not. F that guy.

  • Sactowns#1

    As I keep saying, move down and get a RB or a LB. https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/at-which-positions-have-nfl-rookies-had-the-most-success/

    I do like the outlook for our pass rush. Allen was the walking dead for a few weeks and then came back before fully recovering. Willie Young showed speed and he’s only going to get stronger working in the offseason, and I’m really excited to see Acho out there. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JONsUdB9ZGY this is a pretty goofy highlight reel but it did provide us with the nickname Acho Libre’)
    He can get to the QB and he plays with good instincts.

    • They better not be drafting at #7 overall with their primary focus being on getting the player who’s going to be best as a rookie. You want the guy who’s going to have the best career. Think about 10 years, not 1.

      • Irish Sweetness

        And if that’s Landon Collins?

        • Scott W.

          At one time, that got us Rex Grossman.

        • Bender McLugh

          I’m great with that…..STUD.

    • Irish Sweetness

      This. If there isn’t that stud you want at 7, then it makes perfect sense to grab two top guys instead, just a little lower. That RB Gurley might be there in the second round … and we’d sill have a second round pick after drafting say Kendricks at the bottom of the first.

      Can I have six miliion dollars?

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Hey, BTW Happy Easter and Passover for those out there celebrating this weekend.

    Peace be with you.

  • BearDown100393

    PJ Williams was busted this morning for a DUI.

  • GPLDAN
    • Take one for the team, Cutty!

    • Johnnywad

      Funny enough. But holy shit, was that written by a seventh grader?

      • GPLDAN

        much of the web is these days

    • I get that it’s just a joke, but it’s not even funny. Brady won 3 of his 4 Super Bowls before he could have even dreamed of landing Giselle. He’s 1-2 in the SB since he got with her. If anything, she’s bad luck.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I think Giselle landed Brady. When you’re a stud NFL QB ….
        1. You can pull anybody. Models/ladies can’t be seen to be sluts. It’s expected of a male sportstar.
        2. You should NOT be getting married for like 15-20 years, and literally empty that sack dry.

    • Johnnywad
      • Scott W.

        There’s someone for everyone. She does have a kind of earthy look about her, I’ll give her that much.

  • Trac

    If Mariota falls to us, I can see the Bears drafting him. It may be 6 or 7 years before we get to draft this high again and (not that I want to draft him) I think Pace may pick him.

  • BearDown100393
    • “Fortunately for the Anti-Cruelty Society, an anonymous man bought the
      football for $100 Thursday, saying he planned to give it to his son. He
      presumably stayed anonymous because he didn’t want his friends knowing
      that he bought a football autographed by Jay Cutler.”

      All that is known about the anonymous bidder is that he went by the Alias “Waffle Badger,” and his bid was laced with unwarranted profanity…

      • BearDown100393

        LOL, technically it wasn’t a “bid”. Just a straight up purchase after no bids were presented.

      • Waffle

        All of my profanity is warranted on you pussies.

  • As for the article, I find the correlation between the 3-cone drill and edge rusher intriguing. Thanks for sharing that link.

    Fowler, however, is not a pure edge rusher. Much like McPhee, he can play DE and DT as well as OLB.
    Also, I’m not entirely sold on McPhee. He’s flashed – in spurts – but how will he hold up through an entire season without Suggs?

    Arik Armstead is a huge project, but some say his upside is Calais Campbell. I think our D first needs solid guys like Fowler before we gamble on projects. And on that note, totally agree with staying away from Gregory. He looks like Dion Jordan more than Jason Taylor to me.

    Can’t argue that Cooper/White, Collins, Scherff are probably superior prospects than some other pass rushers who might be available at #7, but WR, like pass-rushers, is also deep in this class –
    And solid (though perhaps not great) inside lineman always fall to the 2nd-3rd.

    A SS with limited coverage skills shouldn’t be in the top 10 – this would be a purely need selection if that happens.

    As for our pass rush situation, it’s a bunch of “IFs” and hypotheticals.

    Young look good – in a 4-3, situtationally. How will he fare in a 3-4 full time after rupturing his achilles?
    Allen – well, what it the pneumonia or father time? Oh, and he’s never played standing up.
    Houston was always more of a run-stuffer. He gets pressure, but is not a closer – little sacks. Oh, and he too is coming off an injury for being a bozo.

    McPhee I already addressed

    And it must be the off-season cuz it’s the annual Washington/Bass dream hype (once reserved for the likes of Trevor Scott, Kellen Davis, Chris Summers, Joe Anderson…)and once more, even if they did flash, that was in a totally different scheme.

    Now, I’m not a pessimist – I don’t think all these guys will bomb, but given how horrid our defense has been the past 2 years, I wouldn’t mind some insurance.

    • Oh, and good stuff Dannehy. If this site alternated beteween Data, you and Jeff in the offseason, that would be an all-star line-up.

      What’s your take on Leonard Williams?

      I keep hearing conflicting reports on him. On one hand, scouts think he’s the top player over all in the draft – a Suh type.

      On the other, I keep hearing these rumors that he’s very immature and isn’t consistent or lacks effort (not to mention the USC draft busts).

      Curious what your take is on him.

      • If I might answer for him, he’s said on Twitter that Williams doesn’t offer enough pass rush to justify that high of a pick. Thinks he’s a good 5T, but not a monster in the Watt/Justin Smith mold.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hands up who was mature in college? This is the age of wearing traffic cones on your head when you’re drunk … the age of potentially lethal manuevers that are preceded by the words “Watch this!”

        • If i were getting paid millions in college to br mature, i would havr put down that beer bong immediately!

          Actually, his knack fir disapearing worries me

      • Frank Schoenburg

        I’m in the Leonard Williams is the best player in the draft camp. I’m very surprised to hear he could be dropping. I’d be happy trading up if it cost is reasonable (say picks 7, 39, and a day 3 pick). Best player at biggest position of need.

  • Hey, Data, if you can, link that piece you did on Cutty in non-junk time. I wanted to get around to it.

      • Waffle

        I find it funny to.speak about junk time. When you have the worst D in the history of the team and in the league how do you give any credibility to the numbers?

        • Irish Sweetness

          The defense on your team doesn’t affect your accuracy, attitude, general decision-making, ability to read – or more correctly, anticipate defenses.

          • EnderWiggin

            Shit man, I’d think the D would affect all of those things. If we are down by 21, I guarandamntee that messes with almost everyone’s noggin.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Then more proof positive that he’s not the man for the job. It didn’t bother Mac, it just lit the fire.

          • Waffle

            Stop acting like the bears never came from behind with Cutler. You can’t if the other team scores on every possession. Every. One.
            Multiple teams didn’t even punt against us.
            When the bears had a D they won with Cutler. When they didn’t they didnt. That simple.

          • Bender McLugh

            no punts – three if you don’t count the last series when the other team was up 25+

          • Scott W.

            Mac had a fantastic defense he could count on, even before/after 85, Irish.
            I don’t always know what to make of Cutler, but he wears the “C” on his helmet. So I’m rooting hard for him to succeed.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Oh I’ll be rooting too. I’ve always been partial to running the ball and smash-mouth D. God knows we sat through Grossman long enough (and we still went to the show).

            One thing though, even if we drafted a receiver, we still look decidedly unimpressive at receiver.

            When does Sam Hurd get out?

          • C’mon Ender! I know u and Artoo might be from Vandy land, but Cutler obviously quit on the team last season. A leader never quits.

        • Trac

          This year will be a much much better year to be a Bears fan. We can win with Cutty and a decent D. I’m so sick of waiting every year only to see a bad team emerge. I’m hoping for the opposite this year.

  • Trac
    • Scott W.

      For perspective, I bought a Kyle Orton autographed football at the NFL charity auction for $250 in 2006.
      My grandkids play with it, and my wife scowls at it.
      Had I known there was a Cutty ball, I’d have gone $200, but I don’t care for the charity. One for kids? I’d have gone at it for more.
      Though I vacillate in my feelings about Cutler, that PFT snarky hit piece is a perfect example of why I loathe them.
      A bunch of writers that want to be clever, and care nothing about the validity of their content. It would suck to be the kind of people they are.
      Fuck them.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        to put it in further perspective. My brother got 2 autographed footballs with a vast majority of the 1985 team – Offense on one and defense on the other for $250 each at a charity auction. Each one was missing only a couple players signatures.

    • BerwynBomber

      That ain’t right.

  • Irish Sweetness

    So you can only have one sack artist? We’re a good pass-rushing team because we were one sack behind the SB champs? Not buying that line. Those champs were, what, 24 sacks behind the 85 Bears? Total dominance should be the goal.

    And I don’t get the headline – we need a pass rush … but not at 7? Why does it matter where you get him? If we drafted Landon Collins at SS and he turned out to be a stud for 8 years, would we look back and say he was a reach?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      The DL played good last year. It was the best unit of the team, if you extract the RBs, meaning Forte.

      Adding McDonald and McPhee is going to make them even more fearsome.

      • Irish Sweetness

        In a 3-4 we’ll need the NY sack exchange at LB, draft away POX!

        • Big Mike

          The question is timing and letting the guys we have sort themselves out. The point is we have a bunch of guys who can compete, some of whom will get on the field and do the job. Maybe someone rises up out of the group, maybe it doesn’t work out and we don’t generate a pass rush.

          In this day and age, a team needs to strategically deploy it’s dollars to be great at one or two things, good at a few others and basically average every where else. That’s a winning formula. So filling in the equation you have to ask, where can we raise the talent level in the right proportions. I don’t know if its pass rush, could be offensive line. Could be the secondary.

          • Scott W.

            Okay, but at what point in this offseason do we start asking about Special Teams?

          • Big Mike

            All those LBs not playing make great ST players. After that, I don’t know reserve CBs, Safeties etc.

          • Bender McLugh

            lol

      • Johnnywad

        We also have no idea whether Houston and/or Young are going to be worth a shit after tearing an ACL and an Achilles. That group is far from settled.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          That’s a question mark for sure.

  • Scott W.

    Here we go…

    From USA TODAY

    NFL to hire first female full-time official

    Sarah Thomas never viewed herself as a pioneer even now that she is poised to break the gender barrier as the NFL’s first permanent woman official. Thomas, who worked preseason games and the New Orleans Saints minicamp this past spring as a line judge, will become the league’s first full-time female official during the 2015 season, a person familiar with her ground-breaking hiring told USA TODAY Sports. That person spoke on condition of anonymity since the league has yet to announce the hiring of its seven new officials for this season. The Baltimore Sunwas first to report Thomas’ historic achievement. Thomas is a former small school point guard who considered it cool when she was considered one of the guys working with an NFL officiating crew this past preseason. She became a rising star in the league’s officiating developmental program established three years ago.

    http://usat.ly/1D1KEzz

    • Trac

      The pussyfication of America continues……

      • DaMurph

        I see it coming, penalties for bad language. Call an opponent a pussy, the dreaded “C” word…..penalty!! Cant offend the ladies and turn the NFL into a hostile work environment. Bad move for the future..

        • willbest

          We already have penalties for language. They added it last year. Probably to make the place safe for their women officials.

          • Bender McLugh

            hmmm….aren’t there penalties for language in every major sport except Hockey?

          • DaMurph

            They added more racially offensive language after the Richie Incognito thing . This will take on a whole new thing when you get penalized for calling guys what we have called each other forever.

          • SC Dave

            So does ‘pussy’ cost you 15 yds?

          • DaMurph

            And a fine I’m guessing, along with sensitivity training!

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Better late than never but this feels like a PR move considering the disaster the NFL had in regards to the players and sports’ cultural treatment towards women in the past year. If this happened the year before or two then this hire wouldn’t have the smarminess as it does now.

    • I don’t get why females want to be involved in “all-boys” clubs. Maybe Bill Burr is right – they can’t stand us being happy and need to ruin it!
      I mean, when girls throw baby showers, it’s not as if men are banging the door to get in.

      Then again, now there are “co-ed” baby showers (not a dude’s idea, I assure)

      Whatevs. Hopefully this will turn out better than that female FG kicker..

      • There are women who like football. Why shouldn’t they have a chance to work in it? If she’s good enough to be an NFL ref, let her be an NFL ref.

        • I get it. I’m all for equality and all that, and she can’t be any worse than those clowns already reffing, but I wonder if it will change how the players act when she’s around (like cursing, etc).
          I remember an older military guy told me that when a woman was first allowed on a ship (the captain never allowed them on board because he considered them bad luck) that it just changed the dynamic.

          Perhaps it’ll make them more “gentlemanly”, but we don’t watch football for that.

          But, I’m not against it per se. To me it’s just the overall philosophy of “exclusive” clubs. I feel like if certain private groups want to be exclusionary, it’s their right. If Af American frats want to exclude whites, so be it. If rich whites want only rich whites in their “Pipe Club”, so be it. If females only want females in the “Sisterhood of Traveling Pants” org, so be it.

          But the NFL is so big now, it’s practically a public venture (and sometimes one funded by taxpayers of all walks of life), so whatevs. I get it. As long as she was more qualified than this NFL fiasco

          http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000146619/Tough-day-for-female-kicker

          • Ah, here is what that old sailor wrote me verbatum. Just thought I would share with the blog.

            “Talk about superstitions and myths; I was a sailor in the US navy during the
            Vietnam war on a warship with canons, torpedo tubes and nuclear capacity
            but our number one superstition was to NEVER let a woman come on deck
            before the ship was to be deployed. In fact, if a woman would even walk
            near the bow of the ship, the captain wouldn’t move an inch until, at least,
            24 hours had passed. It had more to do with the luff of the wind than the
            bad luck of the woman….Thankfully, those days are gone.”

            So if old sailors can allow women on ships, maybe we all can all get used to throwing beer bottles at women refs…

          • Best comment in reply to that vid…
            “The craziest part of this video is that browns and jags are in a game with playoff implications”

        • Trac

          Because they have tits and a vagina. Men have a scrotum and a penis.

      • willbest

        How do women punish each other? They exclude those that don’t conform.

        All male spaces are thus a punishment to women. You might think this idiotic but then you aren’t a woman. And no you can’t just sit them down and rationalize it. This feeling is hardwired into their being from the days of yore when exclusion from the tribe meant death.

        Don’t believe me? Think through your life and tell me which sex (on average) has a much harder time with rejection?

      • Scott W.

        It’s not that they need to ruin it, it’s that male dominated professions are the biggest, most popular, most visible in the world.

        Think about it man. Who would go watch a women’s football game? Who really cares, outside of their parents and some friends, about women’s collegiate sports? And the LPGA, the closest outside of Mia Hamm’s soccer team to being “popular”? A weak product filled with young foreigners that Americans don’t care anything about, though a lot of guys drool over their occasional bikini calendars (which really says it all, doesn’t it? Not that men look at them that way, but that many sign up to be in it).

        Cops, combat soldiers, firefighters, athletes. Women who insert themselves via lawsuits or political process into those arenas have decided to step off the rails. They aren’t trying to BE men, they are trying to be LIKE men. They want a piece of what they themselves were and are incapable of creating, growing, and sustaining.

        (**Side note**) A recent poll of special forces members revealed that they do not think women should be included in their ranks because they don’t think they could physically (or mentally) handle the regimen. They fear that the brass will lower training standards to accommodate women, which will lead to weaker soldiers, and bluntly, more deaths. They reasonably fear sexual issues will arise that will ultimately weaken the unit, and again, injury and death will follow on a larger scale. You can’t deny nature, no matter how awesomely inclusive you want to be.

        Link: http://www.stripes.com/news/us/special-operations-troops-doubt-women-can-do-the-job-1.338486

        Many women feel they must be part of predominantly or exclusively male pursuits because, again, they are the biggest shows on earth. They are incapable of creating anything remotely close to being as popular and rewarding. They never have, and they never will. So if they want “in”, they have to sue, insist, lobby, and pressure to get on the coat tails. As such, whether they like it or not, they will always be a sideshow. An anomaly, a roll of the eyes.

        With so many far more viable avenues available to all genders, and ones that are particularly suited to the female psyche and physique, it is sad that some feel they must latch on to something like the NFL to feel fulfilled (they can say that’s not the reason, but there aren’t any others), or carry a gun in battle. Women, in my opinion, undervalue themselves by doing so, and by not being “all they can be” because they divert into things that aren’t suited to them, they insult the very gender they claim must be respected.

        • BillW

          Very well written and thought provoking. Much truth. As some women try to be pioneers in pursuit of jobs in traditionally men’s fields, I do at times question their sincerity. Does this woman simply want to be a football official, or does she want to be a female football official? I guarantee no NFL official thinks of himself as a male NFL official.

          The ceo of my rather large company happens to be female. Many top scientists, doctors, judges, lawyers, etc etc happen to be female. These, for the good of society, are no longer male dominated fields. My grandchildren will be amazed when they grow up and learn that wasn’t always the case.

          But now that the real important doors or ceilings have been broken, it seems many women still want to be pioneers. . The first woman at something. And given this I do question their motivation.

          Women can ask “why not” but will not be able to answer the real question (at least not honestly):why?

          • John Doe

            She may just want to officiate football games. May be that is what she really likes. Nobody but her knows that. You do not know. I do not know.

            But I am ready to take her at face value and do not question her sincerity.

            In many ways, our society has come a long ways in terms of progress on women’s issues but there is still ways to go.

            United States has been a country for 239 years and still has not nominated a woman candidate for President, forget electing one as a President.

            Third world dumps such as Pakistan and Bangladesh with teeming masses of illiterates and unedcuated have elected a woman Prime Minister and head of elected government.

            Quite shameful that US as a society has passive aggresive structural barriers in place that has allowed this to go on. Until the 1980s and 90s there were so few women Senators. It truly was and is even today a man’s world when it comes to making the most important decisions.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Careful what you wish for … Hilary Vs Jeb … the ovaries swing that vote.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            C) None of the above.

          • Trac

            Yes it is shameful that the quality of male leadership in politics has been degraded so much that we are forced to consider women candidates for the white house. Shameful indeed.

          • BillW

            I think of women in politics like in business. Too few genuine opportunities for too long leads to a lack of viable female presidential candidates. It’s changing too and should.

            But football is very different. There is nothing inherent in it that argues for gender equality. It’s played by tough often mean men and I feel should be officiated by similar types in order for them to get the respect they require.

            As it is the absence of full-time true professional officials in my mind weakens the respect factor (more so regarding fans than players) . I think having a female official weakens it too since it just seems – I don’t know – maybe out of context or gimmicky

          • Scott W.

            Even my wife has made that statement. Just because they “can” is a terrible reason.
            The “Why am I doing this?” That you posed is possibly the most compelling litmus test of them all, when it’s asked and answered honestly.

        • BearDown100393

          The spartan army seemed to deal with sexual tension just fine. The unit itself was quite gay. And its leaders believed it made the men fight harder for each other in battle.

          • Scott W.

            Probably a slightly different societal dynamic…

      • BearDown100393

        To be honest, I don’t get why anyone has a problem with a qualified candidate earning a job. Any “all-{fill in the blank}” club deemed exclusive rather than inclusive needs its barriers broken down. NFL Officiating is putrid. Hopefully she can raise the bar.

        • Scott W.

          It’s more than that.

  • BerwynBomber

    Bucky looking good here. This should have been the national championship game. Don’t know why the NCAA didn’t seed these two 1 and 1-A and put them on separate sides of the bracket.

    Now watch Duke steal the thing.

    • Maybe because Duke and Wisconsin had similar overall resumes, only Duke won at Wisconsin, so they deservedly got the higher seed.

  • Johnnywad

    Piss poor refereeing is everywhere. At least it appeared to be unbiased. The junk calls went both ways.

    • AlbertInTucson

      “You mean nobody’s here to watch me blow my whistle…?”

  • Jack Lacan

    Panis angelicus…

    • EnderWiggin

      Gifts from angels?

      • Jack Lacan

        Bears Easter…

  • Trac

    Hmm, no more bracketology from Jeffy poo? Hahahaha

  • John Doe

    Danny Shelto is not a top 15 pick..


    Rotoworld:
    Danny Shelton – DL – Huskies

    Evaluators outside the NFL are inflating the evaluation of Washington DT Danny Shelton compared to the opinions many teams share, according to Tony Pauline.

    “The love for Shelton in the outside world is not shared by decision-makers in war rooms, who feel he’s a bit one-dimensional in his game,” Pauline writes. We have been saying the same for quite sometime, but without citing the NFL’s opinion. Shelton’s Senior Bowl performance has been inflated, and he is not even close to the athlete many are comparing him to (Poe and Ngata). Shelton will have the most impact in a rotation and best when defending running plays. That is not to say he is a liability in the passing game, but sub-package rushers will be more effective. Josh Norris ranks Shelton as the No. 27 prospect in this draft.

    • GPLDAN

      He dominated the senior bowl like a boss, but is actually a fat POS. Got it.

  • willbest

    The more I see what Pace has done in FA, the more interested I have become in either taking the best OT, CB, or WR available if they aren’t able to trade down. The 2nd tier pass rushers don’t seem to merit the pick.

    • Irish Sweetness

      If Mariota is there at #7, we can trade back no worries.

      • Bender McLugh

        I’d rather see Collins & McKinney/Kendricks

        • Irish Sweetness

          That would be sweet too, get Rolle to coach him up.

  • BearDown100393

    Louis C.K. might provide the greatest 20 minutes of comedy per episode streaming on Netflix right now. He more or less self-deprecates his physical appearance and failings as a man. In an earlier episode, he receives a physical exam from Ricky Gervais. The scene could not have been played out more uncomfortable for a man in his early 40s and completely out of shape. And then realization set in. This is exactly how Jameis Winston must have felt at the combine. On a darker note, Winston is expected to face a 2nd accuser of rape.

    • Bender McLugh

      the season where he’s being groomed to take over Letterman is great, love David Lynch’s role in that. The writing on that show is top-notch, one of my favorite shows in a long time.

    • beninnorcal

      It’s funny you mention this right now because I just started watching this the other day and I love it. Always been a big Louis C.K. Fan but never watched the show. Excellent show.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’ll have to check it out. Always swerved comedians’ “shows”.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      I would have said “On a heavier note, …”

      • BearDown100393

        Oh I suppose, however the opening bars to “The Imperial March” resonated mentally while reading about the possibility of a 2nd accuser.

  • BillW

    Right now Bears have the most players over 30 (or maybe it’s 30 and over). Meaningless observation from PFT. Meaningless, but surprising nonetheless. Packers have only 4.

    There is no cause / effect here. Just thought it interesting.

    • Johnnywad

      Not meaningless Bill. It’s just a painful snapshot of the Bears’ draft failures for the last decade or so. And this, without Tillman, Briggs and DJ Williams on the roster. All starters 7 months ago.

      • BillW

        What I meant by meaningless is that we all know this is NOT the Bears desired roster. It just happens to be their roster right now. It will likely be younger by opening day 2015; and much younger by opening day 2016.

        • Johnnywad

          Let’s hope.

      • Scott W.

        It’s hard to get a real fix on this team isn’t it?

        On another note, I found your email Johnny. I think it was my fault it was buried for so long. Sorry man. I did reply, albeit a month plus late.
        Hell, I thought you’d gotten paneled in.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        POX have been on an over 30 FA signings tear.

  • BillW

    Further proof (as if we needed it) that the QB rating is a near meaningless statistic.

    I lost a bet yesterday and in the process made a fool of myself (not difficult). The claim was that in the 2010 NFC Championship game, Todd Collins had a higher QB rating than Cutler.

    This was from a Packer fan, and so I should have realized he had this researched already. I went with gut feeling and thought “No way in hell”. I recall actually leaving that game in disgust (something I never do) when Collins did all he could to show what a lousy 2nd string QB he was.

    But the key was even though he seemed to try, he never threw an INT. And so despite going 0-4 for of course 0 yards, his rating was about 39 and Cutlers was about 31. Insanity. But true.

    As a statistician, I feel the minimum criteria for any widely used measure is that is makes sense. That makes NO sense.

    Fun fact – based on a sample of only 2 games, there may be a somewhat disturbing trend for Rodgers. His rating in NFC Championship games was below 60 in both. Now I know I just said the rating is near meaningless – but of course Packer fans think it’s the premier measure (since their QB usually has a very lofty rating.

    It works OK as a qualitative measure (high ratings indicate a great game; low ratings indicate a poor game) but obviously not to the absurd level it’s calculated. And as a qualitative measure, it shows that Rodgers so far has come up short in the NFC championship game.

    I guess it pisses me off that we can’t beat him. There are indications that fans could end up looking back at Rodgers’ years like fans do of the Bears in the 80’s – how did he only win ONE Super Bowl?

    • beninnorcal

      Fuck the Packers.

    • sample size. 4 pass attempts is not a big enough sample size. When I do QB studies, I exclude any game in which they didn’t throw at least 20 passes.

      • BillW

        Yes – of course 4 is too small. But they publish it and so I lost my bet.

        • AlbertInTucson

          And always remember: “There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.” – Mark Twain.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Just don’t get caught in the ‘who sold more albums – Garth Brooks or Elvis?’ bet …..

  • John Doe
    • BillW

      I have a feeling Pace would have to give up too much for this. No basis for that statement other than he’s the new kid on the block and it’s not likely anyone would treat him like an established GM. At this point I’d rather they go conservative and keep the pick and take BPA.

      Trying make a splash with so many other needs is too risky in my opinion. I wasn’t happy with the reputation risk he took on McDonald, and now he’s going to do Cutler trade, part 2?

      Again, I trust him but if it didn’t work he’d set the Bears back rather than moving forward.

      • Scott W.

        I hope they do it.

        But I’ve been banging the Mariota drum all off season, so no surprise there.

        • John Doe

          I doubt this is possible.

          If Chargers are looking to trade Rivers as is rumored, why would Wisenhunt want Cutler over Rivers? Rivers is a much better QB. Any extra picks Pace offers in comparison to what Chargers offer to Titans should not matter in my opinion.

          Or this may be the case of Titans trying to get a better offer from Chargers by showing their is another option.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah, lotta gamesmanship this month. But I can still hope.
            I think Mariota would be a heckuva grab for the Bears, but I think I’m in the vast minority on this one.

          • BerwynBomber

            I’m leaning pro-Mariota as well. But damn it would be a gamble.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah, it sure the hell would be.
            But I’m hoping they roll those dice.

    • Can’t be worse

      • GPLDAN

        They go and get Eddie Royal, ostensibly because he’s a Cutler guy, and then trade Jay on Draft Day?

        Because the Titans are willing to pick up that deal? Some of that deal? I smell some Sonny Weaver Jr. bullshit here.

    • Scott W.

      Thanks for posting that, John.

  • GPLDAN

    John Oliver giving Edward Snowden a picture of his penis is the comedy highlight of the year.

    When Ed doesn’t know what to do with it, and offers to show it to the camera, Oliver blasts him and says “what are you doing? That’s not something you do. Oh well… maybe YOU would.” is some pure comedy gold.

    Oliver also hangs the issue of the leaked intelligence regarding the Mosul phone tap squarely on Ed’s shoulders. When Ed tries to dodge it, Oliver will have none of it and forces him to see the connection between giving NYT journalists top secret information (which they then fail to properly secure) and just posting it online himself.

    Snowden, for his part, doesn’t absolve himself but states there is risk in all things, and having the NYT fail to redact properly is just one of those risks.

    All in all, a really ballsy interview and some funny stuff.

    • Waffle

      I watched that and immediately turned on Oliver’s show. That guy is fantastic.

  • John Doe

    Maryville Academy @MaryvilleAcadem · Apr 2
    @jaycutler6,David Bass,@Hupernikao9s, @CornWash to attend Ed Block Lunchen honoring @MattSlausonNFL To register: http://www.maryvilleacademy.org/calendar/edblockluncheon/

  • GPLDAN

    Next up: the Magic Kingdom will have slot machines.

    Walt Disney, of all people, is sinking $250M into real money fantasy sports site DraftKings. This must be a billion dollar sub-industry to sink that kind of investment coin.

    Just going to show that we are living in Potterville, not Bedford Falls, here in America now.

    • “the company (Draft Kings) takes about 10% of prize payouts for the bulk of its revenue. At $300 million in prize payouts, that puts the company’s 2014 revenue at about $30 million. With projections to hit $1 billion in payouts next year, Robins suggested the company could have $100 million in revenue at the end of 2015. ”

      http://www.thestreet.com/story/12990595/1/draftkings-1-billion-fantasy-momentum-could-mean-a-big-ipo-in-2016.html

      • also they say they’re looking to go international with this. The money they’d make off soccer would more than double those totals, I’m guessing. So yeah, the potential is there for that to be a massive industry that makes massive profits.

    • Scott W.

      Truth is, if I could bet on NFL games without having to play fantasy football, I’d do it.

      Our casino doesn’t allow sportsbook here though, so I would have to risk offshore online betting, and that’s just not simple enough, or legal as I understand it.

      • I believe there are a number of online gambling sites that are legal, but I’m not positive about that. In fact, my tax forms every year ask if I have any gambling earnings, either in person or online, to report.

        This is 1.5 years old but says it’s legal: http://vegasclick.com/online/legal.html

        • BillW

          I know it’s legal now to bet the horses in Illinois online
          .

          • AlbertInTucson

            A lot of horse tracks would fold without OTB and online revenue sources.

          • AlbertInTucson

            We have Greyhound Dog Track here in town that, aside from abusing the dogs, survives strictly on OTB and tax subsidies.

  • Scott W.

    I want the Bears to draft Mariota because of the statement it makes about their philosophy going forward. What a seismic shift that would indicate.

    We tried to get there with Cutler and a revolving door of coaches. It didn’t get us “there”, It got us here. Not saying Cutler shouldn’t stay (though how they could grab MM and keep Cutler is a puzzle), but a Mariota draft would be huge.

    • BillW

      I get your point and don’t disagree. However, at this point,as JWood has said several times, we need long term starters and more than a few of them. Moving up to get Mariota means we give up at least one if not two (potential) long term starters.

      While this is too heavy a QB league (in my opinion) and that a great QB is usually necessary to get to the SB, it’s obviously not sufficient.

      Just ask a GB fan.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, but that is a silly argument. Only two QBs get to the SB each year. A great QB alone doesn’t assure you of an SB appearance but he probably does assure you of a playoff spot. And I”m sure a Cheese fan would tell us that as well.

    • GPLDAN

      If we trade Cutty to the Titans and grab Mariotta, it signals a major shift in direction and a whole new Bears team. It would be a huge huge deal, on par with the trade to get Cutty and the Peppers deal.

      If the goal is to win as many games as we can now, it may not make sense. If you are rebuilding a team with role players and the new core elements, then yes it might make sense.

      There are SO MANY unknowns, though. Is Tennessee taking Cutty? Do we have to split his salary to dump him?

      • SC Dave

        Im with the philosophy of bpa, looking to get a long term starter. There are not many locks on the team right now,.especially young ones. Forte, probably Alshon, both Kyles, and then… hmmm. Obviously forte is not young, but I’m thinking he has 3 or 4 years left at an elite level. Gould needs to rebound and he can still be elite for half a decade or more. But who else?

        The cupboard looks pretty bare

  • Scott W.

    Okay, informal poll.

    Does anyone else think drafting Mariota is a good idea?

    • If Pace is convinced Mariota is a franchise QB, then yes. I am leery of giving up too much to go get just one guy, but if he’s your guy you have to get him.

    • Trac

      It’s a crap shoot. Also depends who else is on the board when we pick. If Beasley is still there it’s going to be a tough call.

      • Scott W.

        I’d take Mariota. We’ve got to address that position soon.
        And I think the kid has it.

    • BillW

      Given the total set of circumstances for the Bears, no. Even if Pace thinks he is the guy.

      If we were sitting at 2, then yes. Or 3/4/5 and he fell then yes.

      But given we’d have to give up at least one other high pick (that is, a starter) to move up – then no.

      • Scott W.

        I think Jonathan Wood addressed this best, below, Bill. We agree to disagree.

        • BillW

          I’m not sure we even disagree really. If Pace pulls it off I’d be very impressed and certainly would not criticize the move. I’m just a bit timid with chances at this point, but likely at some point if we’re going to contend some risks (that pay out) will have to be taken. In your view- why not now if it’s available? And I can’t disagree.

    • BearDown100393

      Informal answer. Yes.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I have doubts that he can’t take the pounding in the NFL.

    • Doc Hamstring

      No. The jury’s out whether he’s really an NFL-ready QB. I know that there’s no such thing as a “sure thing,” especially at QB, but if you’ve got the #7 pick you want a guy that will be as close to a sure thing as possible.

      • Scott W.

        I just don’t see him as that big a risk, but I know you know that already.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Not this homey. Give me the trade-down at that point.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I’ve never seen him play, but I respond *yes* for a strategic point of view.

      • Scott W.

        Thinking more about it, a move like this, coupled with trading Cutler (which due to monetary issues would be necessary I understand?) would seriously reset Halas Hall.
        Can you imagine fan reactions?

        I think it would be brilliant. Risky? You betcha. But wow…to actually make trade moves to get a QB with so much upside would make one helluva statement.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          1. I wouldn’t trade Cutler

          2. I don’t care what fans think.

          3. Only losers make statements from february until december

          • Scott W.

            1. Okay.
            2. You are a fan.
            3. It’s your comment.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            2. the club shouldn’t care. I don’t care.
            3. The Patriots never made a statement last season, if not ‘we’re on to the Bengals’.

          • Scott W.

            Okay.

  • In the hindsight is 20/20 department:

    how much better would the Bears’ future look right now if they had tagged Cutler, traded him for a 1st round pick (would have been possible a year ago, IMO, or maybe a 2nd and conditional at worst), re-signed McCown, and drafted Bridgewater?

    Wouldn’t have helped last year at all, but they’d be looking a lot better for the future right now, because Bridgewater’s career floor right now is basically Cutler, only he’s 10 years younger and under cheap control for 3 more years.

    Again, hindsight is 20/20. No way to know at the time that Bridgewater would fall to 14. What if they had traded Cutler and gambled on Manziel instead? Disaster.

    But there was always a small part of me last offseason that wondered if that was Chicago’s best course of action, trying to go young at QB. Perfectly situated to have McCown as a bridge guy/mentor.

    • GPLDAN

      Phil Emery was not capable of that level of thought.

      He saw himself getting roasted if he traded Jay and Jay had a banner year somewhere else while the Bears struggled with McCown. Emery did the move that Jay’s agent wanted him to, the move that he and Trestman felt would pay off. Nessman would whisper sweet advice and the offense would be as explosive as it was the year prior.

      But Trestman’s novel playbook had an offseason to be studied. He had no Plan B. When the formations started getting read, he had nothing else in the queue. So they sucked, and when the reads started being easy for the D and they started cutting his seam and crossing routes off and made him go to the ground to get his consistent first down, it all came crashing down.

      It would have been a majorly ballsy move to do that. And you have no assurances that if the Titans took him the previous yeat, he wouldn’t have played well. That team played well with Jake Locker. Jay may have had a great year as a Titan last year.

      • I still think the O was undone by injuries as much as coaching last year. OL was shit-tastic after being average to above-average in 2013 because everybody got hurt after everybody stayed healthy in 2013. WRs went from being best in the NFL to mediocre because they both got hurt in week 1.
        But the coaching definitely didn’t help.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Yup. Phil was good at pressers … and looking like your dad.

        “He stood breathless on the clean edge of idiocy.”

        His epitaph?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Tagging Cutler would have been a terrible idea.

    • SC Dave

      There were others that shared that opinion.

  • GPLDAN

    Latest mock:

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts/brian-baldinger/245607

    The Bears are blowing smoke. They want Chip Kelly to come get Marcus and exact some payment to do so at 7. Bears move down to 20, pick up the Eagles 2nd and 3rd round and grab a defensive player at 20.

    It may work. Kelley has a hard-on for Marcus and his Duck Soup, so the Bears make enough noise about going all-in and they may get a phone call.

    That’s all that’s going on here with these “Bears want a QB” leaks.

    Flash Poll:

    Eagles offer you their 2nd and 3rd round pick to come up to 7 while you move down to 20. Take it?

    I take it in a fucking heartbeat.

    • BillW

      So you think Mariota falls to 7?

      • AlbertInTucson

        I sure don’t.

    • John Doe

      Mariota will not be there at 7. Most likely some team will trade up to #2 to get him. If he falls, Jets will definitely get at #6.

      I am willing to bet there is no chance he will be there at 7.

      The six who will be gone before Bears pick. Winston, Mariota, Beasley, Cooper, Williams and Fowler.

      • BillW

        The link has him falling all the way down to 20!

        • John Doe

          He is not getting past Jets. Given their QB struggles for years, they will take him no matter what experts say.

          • GPLDAN

            I will bet you on that Johnny Dough.

          • Yeah, i agree. Jets will jump on Mariotta. Eagles will have to jump them, for sure

      • Irish Sweetness

        Given that there are really only two QBs in the discussion, and one of them is a fat rapist, then there is considerable reason to expect Mariota is drafted before us.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I DON’T think he’ll be there at #7 but I DO approve the trade-down concept you put forth if he is.

    • Doc Hamstring

      I’d take it in half a heartbeat. This is a deep draft at positions the Bears need.

      • GPLDAN

        How about going full Sonny Weaver Jr. on this bitch:

        Do the Tennessee deal: Pay $8M of Cutler’s salary and send him to Tennessee with the #7 pick and take the #2.

        Then: TRADE the #2 to the Eagles for their #20 and the rest of their draft. Extra 2, 3 AND 4.

        Bears get the #20 pick, 2 picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Bang, instant new football team.

        Chip Kelly would give it all away for Marcus, too.

        • Irish Sweetness

          That’s the shit I’m talking about, GP. Exploit another team’s over-inflated value of a player and make our team better. Kevin Costner sty-lee.

        • and their starting QB in 2015 is… Jimmy Clausen?

          Trading Cutler only works at this point in a deal that gets them another QB in return, likely through a draft pick.

          • Waffle

            it will never happen because the Denver Broncos without a QB are the Houston Texans.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Well, if we had handled it properly – ahem – we would have shipped Cutty to the Titans …for whatever ….. or swapped picks … and then we could have been in the market for Ryan Fitz.

          • Waffle

            there’s a market for Ryan Fitzpatrick?

        • SC Dave

          And your gb is…?

    • Irish Sweetness

      It’s a no-brainer. You take no risk on Mariota. Your football team gets better. This is my hope for the draft.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Hell no. Just a 2nd and a 3rd to go down 13 spots in the 1st round ? Robbery.

      Players on the other hand would be the way to go.

      Kiko Alonso or Kendricks for example.

  • GPLDAN

    Larry Brown sports picks up the story and republishes

    http://larrybrownsports.com/football/bears-trading-jay-cutler-drafting-marcus-mariota/259053

    Always interesting to see what outlets a given story leaks from. It usually can tell the tale of who is pushing the story and what the agenda might be

    • John Doe

      Word is Bears might pick up some of the contract money to make the trade more palatable to Titans.

      Didn’t Jake meet Pace before the March 12 deadline. It was initially reported as meeting to restructure contract and then later story was recanted. Did they discuss some changes to facilitate the trade?

      • GPLDAN

        Pure speculation. It’s as if Ryan Pace studied Watergate and plausible denial tactics. He needs to put it out there that the Bears will take some of the contract and eat it to make the deal happen and leak that info, but maintain to the public that he isn’t.

        Cutler could be complicit. He may want to help – short of being willing to restructure – to get to Tennessee. That only thickens the plot as to who is leaking this.

        Perhaps Tennessee. By floating the story they gain momentum for it. May also alienate Pace by trying to force his hand. Games within games.

        • Irish Sweetness

          But always Occam’s razor. Tennessee is and was the most likely contender to take Cutty. Their QB roster looks like a bunch of backups.

    • Trac

      I would only make that deal if we swapped 1st round picks and threw in Cutler. Anything else would be a ripoff.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Really? I’d rather have the 20th and an extra 2nd and a 3rd round pick than move from 7 to 2. Then at 20 you can draft a guy like Collins that you’re ‘not supposed to draft’ at 7, then we have two 2nds, two 3rds, a 4th and two 5ths. Package the bottom picks into another 3rd rounder and we could improve significantly in one draft, ceteris paribus, as they say.

        • Trac

          I’m with you Irish but my comments are only directed at my thoughts should the Bears trade up for a qb. Not my ideal scenario but you don’t give up more than Cutty and our 7th spot for a trade up. Even that seems kinda steep.

  • John Doe

    Marcus Leshock @marcusleshock · 15m15 minutes ago
    Is there really a theory that John Fox was brought to Chicago to fix Jay Cutler? http://nashville.suntimes.com/nash-sports/tennessee-titans/7/118/134673/jay-cutler-titans-marcus-mariota/

    • Trac

      I’d be happy with that deal. Make it happen!

      • John Doe

        This guy has worked out the details..

        The Trade Proposal That Makes Marcus Mariota To Chicago Realistic
        http://sportsmockery.com/2015/04/the-trade-proposal-that-makes-marcus-mariota-to-chicago-realistic/

        • Trac

          Yes, this may happen. Thanks.

        • GPLDAN

          Oh God.

          That would certainly be entertaining. Pass on Williams at 2, and take MM?

          (long whistle)

          Who do you think has the best shot at multiple Pro Bowls? MM or Leonard Williams?

          Rolling the dice is big big fun. Would make camp a ton of fun to attend.

    • Johnnywad

      No

  • GPLDAN

    Here’s what we need: Let’s watch Marcus make it rain

    • Johnnywad

      1/3 of those are “bad mechanics”, throwing off of his back foot. We have a blog policy against such feats of athleticism, don’t we?

  • Doc Hamstring

    I find the “trade Cutler for higher pick, pick Mariota” stories interesting. Because according to a lot of draft “experts,” Mariota will be there at #7.

    If there’s a good chance he’ll be there at #7, and if he’s not another really, really good player (and let’s face it, the Bears have a lot of needs) will be there, it would be insane to trade up. If he’s there at #7 and you still want to offload Cutler, you’ll be able to. Plenty of teams will need a QB better than Mettenberger the (alleged) sexual assaulter.

    • GPLDAN

      The Titans will escape this deal with Cutler at $8M for the year and Amari Cooper.

      That will put butts in the seats.

    • BerwynBomber

      You could be right and it would be a stupid move if that were the case. But who knows if it will be. My own hunch is he will be gone by #7. Potential franchise QBs are too hard to pass up even if there are a number of red flags with Mariota. DC or the Jets might take him. And someone (other than us — Philly or CLE) could trade up to get him.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I worry that his “NFL Survivability” is similar to Locker, too.

  • John Doe

    Paul Kuharsky @PaulKuharskyNFL · 2h2 hours ago
    Mariota’s combine numbers are like Locker, Luck. Scouting comparision to Kap, WIlson. http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2015/insider/story/_/id/12593457/nfl-player-comparisons-top-prospects-nfl-draft … #Titans

  • Irish Sweetness

    Further to Andrew Niccol (writer of Gattaca, Truman show etc.), his new one, Good Kill, is a must-see.

    Ethan Hawke plays an ex-pilot who now flies drones in Afghanistan remotely from Las Vegas. Scary stuff. Auto-pilot moves them in to position, then from ten thousand feet up, you just point and click. The gunship level on COD MW3 was harder than this stuff. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are recruiting kids off Xbox networks to replace what used to be fighter pilots. Like they say in the movie, war is now a first-person shooter.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/arts-video/video-ethan-hawke-is-disconnecting/article23803112/#video0id23803112

    • Irish Sweetness

      Oh, and Zoe Kravitz is one hot mamma. When your parents are Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonet ….

  • Waffle

    a mere 3 more weeks of bullshit guesses and chatter about getting rid of an NFL quality quarterback to select an unknown college quarterback. I’m on the homestretch and i’m confident that i’ll make it through the next 3 with ease.
    I sometimes laugh when i read an article about why the Bears are going to select a QB or trade the current QB, pay money to do so and then use a better selection to select a college quarterback while we are coming off of the two worst defensive seasons in THE HISTORY OF THE BEARS.
    John Fox is not a 13yr old pimple faced fucking fantasy football nerdball who thinks just because there are 2 fucking kids that may make it as NFL qb’s that the Bears have to give away anything to get them. Fox and Pace know the Bears D was a dumpster fire and that the OL took a fucking shit last year as well. If anyone other than a defensive fucking killer or huge OL is chosen i will stab my jugular with a shattered zima bottle on draft night. I’ll take Trae Waynes but only if he’s part of a plan to move back a couple of spots to grab another late 2nd or 3rd rounder.

    the Bears aren’t getting rid of one of the 20 something guys in the world that can play NFL qb. The Titans are taking Mariota because they have an above average college quarterback drafted in the 6th RD as their starting quarterback. one more year of that and the coach and GM are both fired.

    There are SEVERAL teams that are fucking desperate at QB. The Bears aren’t giving up Cutler and paying half of his salary. IF and that’s a fucking long shot….IF they get rid of Cutler it will be for a handsome payoff from a team that is completely assfucked at QB. The payoff has to be so fucking insane though because you would be simply gambling your whole fucking season and the foreseeable future on someone with no NFL experience. If the D then proceeds to suck balls again and the line underperforms and without your #1 WR who you gave away the heat will be on the GM and Coach and rightfully fucking so.

    • BerwynBomber

      You’re right about not paying half of Cutty’s salary to unload him but you are insane if you think they will get a king’s ransom for him. If that were the case, he would already be gone.

      Like it or not, Cutty is seen as damaged goods: a thirty-two year old deeply flawed yet talented QB who generally rates out as average in regard to NFL starters and still carries a hefty price tag.

      I agree that a handful of teams might benefit from having him as a starter but when you take into account his age, flaws and contract, almost all of those teams are deciding to look elsewhere.

      • Waffle

        If you don’t get a kings ransom for him then you simply make the #7 pick count to fill a real need. A deal does not have to get done this year but the team must get stronger across the board. If the right ransom is not presented the deal will not be struck and that will be perfectly fine with me. I want impact players at positions that we know need to be filled right now. QB is not one of those this year despite what the blog would have you believe.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yeah, I’d rather build the team first, then worry about QB when you have a team. Surely there’s always somebody in the market for your draft position when it’s as high as #7. If it’s not Mariota then it’s some team with a boner for a receiver that’s ‘dropped’.

          • BerwynBomber

            I disagree. Guy like Brady and Peyton, not to mention even guys like Brees, R-berger, Rivers, etc. have shown that QBs can have long, productive careers and that more than a few different offenses and teams can be built around them during their tenure. Why develop say an RB prior to your QB? Your RB’s career won’t last near as long as the QBs anyway?

            I would much rather have my franchise QB in place first. Build around him, not vice-versa.

          • Waffle

            i think he probably meant the bones of the team like the trenches. We don’t even have the bones solidified and we’re talking about QB change.

          • SC Dave

            I agree with both that AND the comment to which you replied. On the other hand Ditka did get McMahon before Bortz,.Thayer, and (?) Covert… well, before the three guys of that line they picked up in 84

    • GPLDAN

      They made Zima at the Golden Colorado Coors plant. I saw a big vat of it being made. My first thought was “they should drown a hipster Bond villain in that thing.” Cause that would be ironic.

      • Waffle

        in college i sauntered up to a young lady at a softball/keg tournament i had my eye on but i had overdone it in pregame in my dorm room with my friends so the first thing that came out of my mouth was:
        “would you be interested in a guy that drank Zima?”
        “No”
        “What if he bonged it?” – i motion for the bong and proceed to drain it in record time
        She laughed in a disgusted manner: “nice, still no”

      • Irish Sweetness

        Beerfinger?
        And the Bond bint would be called Horny O’ Houlihan.
        “Hi, I’m horny.”
        Connery : “Yesh, I’m feeling shumthing shimiliar coming over me…”

  • BerwynBomber

    Don’t know if anyone linked this. All three of these guys have Mariota dropping past us. Two of them have us selecting Cooper; one, Waynes.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015

    • Waffle

      can’t take those guys seriously then. Too many teams would select MM before 20. I could see Waynes but not a WR given how bad the D has been and how inspiring it is to have a well respected D coordinator in town who loves letting guys get after it.

      Imagine the weapons we currently have coming onto the field after our D forces a turnover….yes, i still think this offense can perform despite setbacks last year.

      • SC Dave

        We still have Forte

    • I’d say that will never happen, but the Mariota timeline is just like the Bridgewater one (top prospect for over a year, people find reasons to pick him apart, he drops) and Bridgewater somehow fell to #32 when he should have been the first pick in the draft.

  • Waffle

    I have this nagging feeling that Winston is going to be a lackluster pro player. I just don’t see the stiffy that everyone has over this guy….then again I thought Jon Bostic was going to come in and decimate guys and all he did was make me decimate rum.

    • SC Dave

      Just like three months ago, I still want Kendricks. For the same reason I wanted Kuechly. Just a guy that makes tackles. And more of them than everyone else.

  • Bears-4-Ever
    • Johnnywad

      No. Why now? They were supposedly in high level talks for quite a while and everybody walked away. They could have done it a month ago.

      That said. None of us has any way of knowing. We’ll just have to wait and see.

      • GPLDAN

        I though the Titans would convert Zach Metzenberger into a solid pro and a starter. I liked his size and his arm at LSU. But his knees are shot, and thus so is he. A busted pick.

        Getting Cutler is an admission they didn’t draft at QB well.

        • I liked Zach too , esp at 6TH RD value, but he got inj his senior yr and twice laat yr. Add that to Locker’s inj proneness, and maybe just maybe they’ll view Cutler as more of a safer option

      • BillW

        Why now? Well, if true I suspect nothing would happen until the Bucs make their pick. If they did the trade now and Lovie takes Mariota, then the Bears either take Winston or someone else. Certainly they get a better player than they would at 7, but that is probably not their plan.

        That said, if they can dump most of the salary and get the best non-Winston player at 2 (QB or not) I’d love for them to do it.

        My fear is they’d take Winston. Not that I really think Pace would, but he did sign McDonald.

    • Trac

      Yes I do. Also, JD posted this yesterday I think.

  • GPLDAN
    • BerwynBomber

      A quick glance reveals that we may have the shittiest most popular beer of any country in the world.

      • GPLDAN

        The Yanks have the shittest beer….. in the wuuurrrrld

        • SC Dave

          We also have the best beer in the world for most styles. The Belgians will crow of course, but only they and the Germans can compete with American craft brewing

          • Irish Sweetness

            Palm beer. Belgian monks. F***ing nectar.

      • seems pretty much every country drinks mainly shitty local beer, with a few exceptions.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, but our shitty beer looks potentially shittier than everyone else’s.

          • SC Dave

            Um… no

    • BillW

      Bud Light is cheap. And they advertise very heavily. So that makes sense given the diverse demographics of the US.

      Bud for Canada was the most surprising.

      Carling in England? Probably same reasoning as Bud Light here.

      I had 1664 first when in Paris a couple years ago. A smooth beer that went well with all the walking we did there. And the alcohol content is much higher. Win/Win when on vacation.

      • BillW

        Oh yeah – Guinness in Ireland.

        In other news, the Pope is Catholic.

        • SC Dave

          Guiness sucks

          • Johnnywad

            Nuh uh.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Thursday Blog Beer fun facts!

          1. They shouldn’t list Guinness as a beer, it’s porter.
          2. The best selling beer on Earth is …. Snow.
          3. Beer Lao is very, very good stuff.

  • Trac

    Kinda thinking the Bears will draft Amari Cooper if they don’t do a deal with the Titans for Mariota. Not sure I’d like it but I could live with the pick if he plays up to his potential. I’m really leaning towards trading down for more picks as being the smart move.

    • BerwynBomber

      I’m not keen on an offensive player that high other than a QB. We have enough pieces in place for the O to be competent (and arguably above competent). Still not sure we have that on the D side despite our FA moves and the hiring of Fangio.

      • they need a WR badly. Royal is pretty much a slot guy only (roughly 85% of his snaps there). Unless you’re comfortable counting on Marquess Wilson starting-which I’m not-they need a starter opposite Alshon. Not to mention the depth behind Jeffery/Royal/Wilson is non-existent, so they need somebody ready to step in and play day one.

        • BerwynBomber

          I wouldn’t argue that they don’t, but do you truly think this team needs that more than a difference maker/impact guy on D?

          • in terms of just 2015, yes. In terms of the future, no.
            I think they have enough competent players for D as of right now. They’re still lacking one competent WR for sure, and possibly one competent OT as well on offense.
            But as I’ve said before, I don’t want the Bears to look too much at current needs in the draft, especially in the early rounds. When you have the 7th pick in the draft, you need to think about getting the best player over the next 10 years, not just the best fit for your team in the here and now.
            If they think a defensive player is the best guy available at #7, by all means grab him. If they think it’s a WR, grab him. If they think it’s OL, grab him. As long as you aren’t getting a K, P, or FB, just get a stud and I don’t care what position he plays.

          • Scott W.

            Drafting a high-end QB is long-term, and is your build-around player for the most part.

          • Waffle

            Scott, that insight should have been shared with Jerry in 2009.

          • Waffle

            or in the previous years dating back the early 90’s.

          • yeah, which is why I have no problems with grabbing Mariota if he’s there at 7 (highly unlikely IMO) and they think he’s a starting QB.

          • Scott W.

            I am now leaning slightly towards trading up… (ducking)

          • Waffle

            I always wanted to trade up during the last bunch of years because I felt like we always found a way to trade back and get no value out of it. I get sick to my stomach when I think of trading back because Jerry used to trade back all of the time to get his “value” picks and it never worked out well.
            I can’t see the Bears giving up a 2nd or 3rd rounder, which are vital picks for the positions of need we have, in order to get a guy for a position that we already have covered. The hottest girl at a party full of average to below average looking women always gets the most attention even if she is just viewed as decent and therefore gets undue attention. The hot girl at a party full of Victoria Secret models becomes the real value because you’re not hitting on her because she’s the only hot one there, just the one that fits your needs the most.
            #MariotaMusings

          • Scott W.

            I get the chick analogy (metaphor?) But we just aren’t set at QB for the long haul. Mariota is a very long term answer (IMO) for us, and we are SO close to the draft number to actually get him.
            The odds are as tilted towards us as they’ve been in a while for a kid of his potential.
            After all my posts about him, I’m afraid the Bears will instead draft a replacement kicker or something equally as nauseating.
            But. We. Are. So. Close.

            And Mariota may not be the Christina Aguilera of QBs, but he makes Winston look like Madonna.

          • BillW

            Well, we DO need a long term answer at center. Following JWoods advice, we should take the best center rather than the 3rd best pass rusher.

            (I am NOT serious. We clearly should do neither.)

          • that depends on cost. If it only costs Cutler and their #7 to get Mariota, I am 100% fine with that. Reasonable price to pay for a franchise QB if they believe that’s what Mariota is. Even if he’s only a decade-younger Cutler (aka an average NFL QB), the Bears come out ahead there.

          • Waffle

            I actually had a dream that involved the draft. Chip Kelly was scheming and playing chicken with various teams because he felt that he could swoop in at the last minute and get his price for him.
            In my dream the Bears actually pick Mariota and then and only then take Chip’s phone call, proceed to draftrape him, send Mariota to Philly for their pick and their 2nd and 3rd rounder. I don’t even know if it’s legal or not.

          • Scott W.

            Those are called nightmares by some of us…

          • Scott W.

            Miles and miles ahead. Light years even.

          • Irish Sweetness

            We can’t waste the picks, we need to go the other way. Cutty was our ticket to Williams but POX haven’t got the sand to ditch him.

          • SC Dave

            What if the fullback is the new Jim Brown? 🙂

          • Gase doesn’t use a FB anyway; he prefers 2 TE sets. I would personally love Jalston Fowler in rd 5 or 6, but highly unlikely.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Hmmm. We don’t have a RT, I don’t get any of the J Mills love. We don’t have a center that’s proved themselves, and I’m not entirely in love with Bushrod. I won’t cry a river if they draft Scherff. I think WR in the first is screwing the pooch, due to development time and an inaccurate careless QB chucking the pigskin.

        Worst ever defense … and we go and pick a receiver in the first?

    • Waffle

      Trac, i see your logic there. I wouldn’t love it at all but if the Bears have their eyes on 2 or 3 DL/DE/OLB’s and they are gone by 7 and they decide to stick with Cutler I could see them going CB or WR but that would mean passing on OL monster Scherff and you can’t do that…because nothing makes a QB’s life easier than not getting plowed into the ground from all angles all day every play.

      • Trac

        Yeah yonny, so many possible scenarios at the 7th spot. Trading down to a team for a pick in 2016 would also help us trade up in a year or two when we aren’t picking that high. If the Bears keep improving, it’s gonna be hard to draft a franchise QB after Cutlers gone. This draft is actually going to be fun this year.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I think we should forget about ‘franchise’ QBs.
          I’ve seen one in my lifetime. If we build a team first, an honest to god TEAM, then the QB will materialise in some form. A tough defense and a line that can run block the shit out of the opposition, and give the QB time when he drops back. At that point there are many options who would suffice at quarterback.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Again, it would be hard to pass up the best tackle in the draft … whoever POX deems that to be. Those great Dallas lines are always populated with first rounders.

  • HappyFave

    Maybe Mariota will drop and this website will collectively shit its pants when we get rid of the dumpster fire we have at QB.

    • Waffle

      Mr. Fales, it’s a blog….and i’m sorry, it’s not going to happen for your son.

      • GPLDAN

        zing a ding ding

        • Waffle

          after i wrote it i realized that Fales would still be 2nd string with Clausen leading us to glory. Editing it at this point would have just been embarassing.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      i really used to enjoy dumpster fires. me and my boys standing around the dumpster trying to stay warm while drinking straight from a bottle of Tradewinds hidden inside of a brown paper bag. good times good times.

  • Waffle

    OK, i was reading Trac’s post about WR and i was thinking. Much like the concept of not picking a QB just for the sake of picking a QB you can’t also just pick a player on D just to pick them.

    If the Bears have their eye on let’s say L. Williams, Fowler, Beasley and they are all gone then that means that they’ll have the luxury of best WR in the draft, best CB in the draft, best safety in the draft, best OL in the draft and quite possibly a QB. best NT in the draft. It also means there will be several notable OLB names that may or may not pan out. All of these positions are needs.

    If Cutler is not traded and Williams, Fowler and Beasley are all gone I would imagine they will go with Waynes or Scherff. I can’t see WR at 7 because you’re ignoring the historic D issues. I can’t see QB at 7 because you’re ignoring the fact you just dumped the best WR in the history of the Bears. I can’t see ILB at 7 because that guy is projected to go in the 20’s i think and would necessitate a trade back. Shelton seems like a huge fat kid that is playing against inferior competition and i don’t know if he deserves a #7 pick when he’ll be lined up with the baddest mofo’s in the game of football.

    Who knows, at least we’ll get a crucial piece to the puzzle. It’s just a matter of going anti-angelo and hitting on 3 picks at least.

    • One thing I try to keep in mind regarding the draft: in the past 10 years, the odds of a bust drafted in Chicago’s range increase the farther down at a position you’re taking a guy. So the 3rd best player at a position in his draft tends to bust at a higher rate (and be a stud at a lower rate) than the best player at another position. So if it came down to it, I’d advocate top WR over 3rd best edge rusher.

      http://dabearsbeat.com/2015/02/13/draft-trends-for-bears-to-consider/

      • BillW

        Very good work (as always). I’m surprised the numbers came out as clear as it did.

        So the Bears should definitely take the best TE in the draft.

        Just kidding. That’s where the small sample size comes in. What it clearly indicates is taking the 3rd best of anything that high is way too risky.

      • Irish Sweetness

        But not best WR, over best OL or best S/CB.

        We had a freakin’ stud at receiver and we gave him away. we didn’t even get an extra pick for him.

    • BillW

      Captain Obvious here – I keep reminding myself that no matter how high we pick, we can only get one top player. When we have so many needs (esp on D) it doesn’t seem like enough.

      Then I remember we once got Gale Sayers AND Dick Butkus in the same first round.

      And never made the playoffs in their career.

      (How was that even possible?)

      • AlbertInTucson

        Here’s what happened, playoff-wise, during the Sayers-Butkus era.

        They came close in 1965. Finished 9-5 after an 0-3 start. 3rd behind Lombardi’s Packers and Colts who tied for the West Division at 10-3-1 each.

        Two of the losses included blowing a 28-9 4th quarter lead at LA in game 2 and losing, at home on the last day of the season to the 7-7 Vikings but they were already eliminated after week 13 so the Killer was that week 2 blown opportunity at LA.

        They were on their way in ’68. After a 1-4 start they won 4 straight. Sayers was averaging 6 yards a carry but blew the knee out in week 9.

        The Bears were playing musical QBs due to injury.

        They famously won at LA (The Rams were 10-1-1 going into that game) to stay in the NFC Central hunt when the officials “Lost” a down in the Rams last offensive series in a 17-16 game in week 13.

        Then they lost in week 14 to the Packers and Don “Game Of His Career” horn. to finish 7-7. A win would have given them the Central title in ’68 as they had beaten the Vikings twice that season.

        The Bears were never close to a playoff spot in any other Sayers or Butkus season.

        Season details courtesy Pro Football Reference.

        • BillW

          Oh great. Remind me of the Don Horn game. “Why don’t you give me a paper cut and pour lemon juice in it?”

          I was at that game.

          • AlbertInTucson

            They couldn’t get close enough for a Percicval FG attempt at the end.

            As I recall, the Bears were ACHINGLY close to hitting a big pass play down the middle that would have put them in at least FG range for Mac.

            When the pass fell incomplete, Muggs (George H. , Jr.) Halas destroyed the water cooler in his box.

            Jack Concannon fractured a clavicle in the 3rd game of the season. Replaced by Virgil Carter/Larry Rakestraw. Concannon came back and played the last 4 games of the season wearing a shoulder harness. Another reason they missed that year: SPANKED, twice, by a Lions squad that finished 4-8-2.

          • BillW

            Earlier that year Virgil “Chicken Bleep” Carter beat the Packers at Lambeau. Sayers got 2015 yards.

            And then the next week…against SF…
            Was not at that game.

          • BillW

            Now you have me reliving that season. Lost to the Falcons – still essentially an expansion team. By the end of that season Atlanta only won a total of 6 games over three years.

            They didn’t make the playoffs for another NINE years.

            The Bears in my lifetime pretty much defined underachieving. Even ’63 and ’85 and ’06 were followed by large disappointments. (Yes – I know they had a great record in ’86 but one and done in the playoffs.)

          • AlbertInTucson

            Sigh. You are preaching to the choir, reverend.

          • AlbertInTucson

            In fairness, the ’64 team was rocked in camp when RB, Willie Galimore and WR, Bo Farrington, were killed in a car wreck.

  • BerwynBomber

    Does anyone know the highest Bears have ever selected a QB in the draft? Was it McNown? McMahon? Bobby Douglass?

    • Waffle

      I looked it up and found we had a couple of number 4’s
      Payton
      Hampton
      Benson

      correction, we had a bunch of awesome old timers

      Luckman 2
      Standlee 3
      Harmon 1
      Lujack 4
      Layne 3
      and a couple of others.

      • BerwynBomber

        Benson: wasn’t quite as bad as Ennis but damn disappointing nevertheless. And then of course he had that one year at Cincy which included gashing us for a buck-sixty or something.

      • BerwynBomber

        Found it. Bob Williams (#2 in ’50) looks to be the winner. We also selected Bobby Lane (at #3 in ’48 — probably would have been wise to keep him) and Johnny Lujack (#4 in ’46).

        McMahon appears highest in the post-merger era: (#5 in ’82).

        http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/draft.htm

        • AlbertInTucson

          THE Bob Williams?

          • GPLDAN

            Larry Lujack played football?

        • Irish Sweetness

          Mac was a no-brainer pick after smashing about 70 NCAA records though. I see no such CV with Mr. Mariota.

  • Andrew’s gonna be doing a weekly column? I can get behind that. look forward to hearing what he has to say.

    • Shady

      I think you should get a spot. ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

      • thanks for the compliment. Jeff actually talked to me (semi-jokingly, I think) about something like that very very briefly on Twitter about a month ago, but I am very happy with where I’m at right now. It’s fun having sites like this to just come be one of the guys at.

  • BillW

    Last trip down memory lane today re Virgil Carter…thought JWood might like this

    http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2003/12/number_crunching.html

    I spent a long time looking for Virgil Carter’s paper written when he was at NU (expected value of field position); Then when I started teaching part time I had access to Journal Databases and found it – plus a lot of other football related statistics paper.

    • that is some fascinating stuff. Good share, thanks.

    • I think one thing that article overlooks is the rule changes in football that have changed so much about the way the game is played. What was true in the 70s might not be true anymore, though in some ways probably less has changed than you might first think.

      For instance, this is still true, as much as everybody wants to talk about the passing game: “At this point, all we really know is that good teams establish the run on offense (except the 2002 Tampa Bay Bucs), stop the run on defense (except the 1997 Denver Broncos), and, most definitely, don’t fumble the ball away”

  • GPLDAN
    • Scott W.

      That is the most likely outcome, agreed.
      I just don’t think Jay is our longer term answer. He’s had a few years, and we are picking 7th.
      He isn’t horrible, but he’s not the future either.

      • I still think Jay is likely Chicago’s starter for one more year, maybe two. That’s what typically happens when new regimes inherit a good-but-not-great veteran QB like Cutler.

        They make do with him for a short bit while getting a succession plan in place. So I’m guessing they grab a QB in the middle or late rounds of the draft if there’s anybody they remotely like and let him grow behind Cutler for 1-2 years.

        • Scott W.

          I know. That’s the rational expectation.

          There’s just something special about all of this, the timing, the talent level, the character, the draft order, etc.,

          Your guess makes more sense than my hope, I just want you to be wrong.

    • BearDown100393

      Uh Scott Poppen… ain’t uh….. Pip.

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