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Bears Lose to Vikings & Playoff Visions Fade: Rapid Fire

| November 2nd, 2015

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Predictably boring. And for the fourth straight game the Bears were essentially dead even with their opponent, got a wonderful performance from their quarterback and the game was decided at the death. Rapid fire…

  • Feel bad for Jeremy Langford. If he catches the ball, Bears can do no worse than overtime and knowing Cutler’s season, they probably win in regulation. Other than that moment Langford looks like a real back with a great burst through the hole.
  • Tom Brady aside, Jay Cutler is the best fourth quarter QB in the sport right now. (Brady is the best everything.)
  • If the Bears faced a better quarterback yesterday Mike Wallace might have had a career game. How wide open does Teddy Bridgewater need him to be?
  • So how is Pernell McPhee’s sack on Bridgewater NOT a penalty? Isn’t that 100% always called now? He could have broken his leg.
  • Fact that McPhee continues to produce with no help is astounding. How good is this guy gonna be when the opponent has to block someone else too?
  • I think Alshon Jeffery is going to get his money.

  • Still have no idea how Cutler completed that pass to Mariani. Still don’t understand what he saw that provoked him to throw the ball there.
  • Welcome to the NFL, Eddie Goldman. Can’t go invisible in games like that.
  • Robbie Gould doesn’t like beating the Vikings.
  • You tell me if Kyle Fuller is any good. I have no idea. At least he made a play!
  • Offensive game plan in the first half was an embarrassment. You don’t coach scared because of a makeshift offensive line. You run your offense and let the quarterback play. Adam Gase is receiving an awful lot of praise for his work with Jay Cutler. I’m not sure Cutler shouldn’t be praised for making Gase look good.
  • Soldier Field turf continues to be the bigger embarrassment.
  • Adrian Peterson rushed for 100 yards. But doesn’t it seem like rushing plays against this defense are wasted downs? Every single pass play has the potential to score against this secondary. Every single one. If I was coaching against the Bears I’m throwing it 50 times.
  • If you expected Antrel Rolle to make a smart play in coverage you haven’t followed Antrel Rolle’s career.

2-5. Talk of staying in contention can now fade away. Bears most be focused on building towards 2016. The way you build confidence? Win as many games as possible.

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  • The Yes Guy

    Yes.

    • Sactowns#1

      I always imagine this in a Johnny Carson kinda patter.

      • The Yes Guy

        You are correct sir, YES!

  • Johnnywad

    Langford certainly looks a bit different/better on the inside runs than Forte. But damn, catch the ball son. No way Forte drops that one. They are perfect complimentary backs to on another.

    • beninnorcal

      The drop was a heart-breaker.

    • http://www.upitpuppet.com/ evantonio

      “No way Forte drops that one.”

      Wasn’t it Forte who dropped a sure thing TD pass against the Packers earlier this season?

      • beninnorcal

        No, no, that was, ah, Langford too, yup..

    • Irish Sweetness

      Funny though, it’s not as if Matt doesn’t drop key passes.

  • Trac

    I didn’t watch the game, I didn’t bet a dollar and I didn’t tweet one twat. That’s how I roll.

    • The Yes Guy

      YES!

      • beninnorcal

        No, Yes Guy, no.

        • Trac

          Hahaha. Actually I listen to the game and follow it online.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Somehow listening is better than watching. You can do something else while you listen.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    anyone hear anything on Forte’s knee injury?

  • beninnorcal

    I hate the Langford drop just like the next guy, however, on replay I saw that the ball was slightly behind him. Still very catchable, but not ‘right on the numbers’ as everyone keeps saying. He still should have caught it.

  • SC Dave

    Another fine day for our special.teams.

    • Viva

      They certainly are “special”

  • Trac

    The Packers got exposed. This is not their year…..again.

    • BearDown100393

      By a team that will wilt and die when the weather gets cold.

      • Trac

        Denvers defense is for real.

        • BearDown100393

          Yes it is great. Is the offense enough though?

          • Irish Sweetness

            They looked pretty lethal to me. It was like Manning couldn’t miss. And Demerious Thomas and Sanders have been languishing on my fantasy benches recently. Man did that team go off yesterday. Easily a bad matchup for Brady.

          • BearDown100393

            Brady?

  • BearDown100393

    Jay Cutler is outperforming his OC.

    • BillW

      I’m suddenly not worried Gase will get a head coaching job. One – because he probably won’t. Two – because there are probably better OCs out there.

  • The GP

    We got Sherris McFucked

    • Trac

      At least you have the Wolverines from now until Harbaugh leaves for another NFL team.

  • DaMurph

    McPhees sack was not a penalty because he was engaged with a blocker, if he was unblocked he cant go low and that results in a penalty, I think thats how its explained. Being the NFL the rules are never clear anymore so who the fuck knows.

    • DaBearsBlog

      That was argument made to me yesterday. But I don’t know the rules anymore.

      • BillW

        Me either. What is running into the kicker? What is forward progress (from the GB game?) I’ve watched with interest for over 50 years and I can’t recall being surprised or in doubt as much as I have been the past couple about calls.

        • Irish Sweetness

          James Jones was it? He was a fgew yards past the first down marker, then gets pushed back. If he’s running it on a running play, he has the first down, clearly. But he’s running it on a pass play .. .so it’s not a first down ?

      • DaMurph

        Who does? Even the announcers are confused half the time. Theres something wrong when the knowledgeable fans and former players are confused by the rules.

        • NewBearInTown

          Madden said it right 10 years ago. “If 5 guys watching the game at the bar all agree that its a catch, the rules need to say its a catch.” The same is true for illegal contact and all the rest of it.

          That’s why I don’t like the helmet to helmet rule, but I understand it. They need a bright-line, easy to understand rule.

      • Irish Sweetness

        No one does. I don’t even know what a catch is anymore. Was it a TD? Don’t know, let’s wait for Vegas.

    • Trac

      You Sir know your shit.

    • AlbertInTucson

      In any case, McPhee has demonstrated a definite proclivity for going in low.

    • Irish Sweetness

      The rules are whatever helps Vegas. Any time I saw McPhee, he was being manhandled by the RT.

  • Big Mike

    Here are my take aways.
    – The guys on the OL deserved more trust than Gase gave them. But who knew…?
    – Alshon is good. The difference between him and the next guy on the roster is huge
    – Marques Wilson is could be a nice #2
    – The depth after royal is spotty
    – The defense has some nice building blocks, Secondary is decent in 2 of 4 spots. Awful in the other 2.
    – Love Amos. The other 3 guys take turns sucking and or making plays
    – Why is Mcmanis in the NFL?
    – Our punter is just a guy. Wasted drafted pick. Never does anything spectacular. There is no way to slice the punter stats and show he’s better than guys walking around looking for a job.
    – Our special teams cost us this game.

    Most importantly, I don’t hate this team. I hate losing close games, but I saw promise. I hope the Bears win as many games as possible this season, but when losing a bunch of close games is the better outcome.

    • NewBearInTown

      Yeah, I stand by my comment a couple of weeks ago. The Bears are scrappy.

      We’ll finish the season with 4 easy games (Wash, Minn., Tampa, Detroit). I think we win a couple of those and finish the season feeling good. I think we put up a fight every week for the rest of the season.

      • DaMurph

        Last year we were embarrassing, this year we fight! Losing doesnt hurt so bad this year.

        • Trac

          Murph!!!

      • Big Mike

        And I don’t hate that. Draft another OL or 2 , mid to late rounds, Secondary, Secondary, Secondary early on. If White pans out that’s like 2 number 1 picks coming to play next year.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yeah, White coming back is like a free gift after Christmas. I’d really like to see us grab a premier pass rusher with the top pick, then grab a tackle, then a RB.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t know. I think the defense needs more help in the secondary. Is probably load up on that side early. First pick on offense for me would be 4th or 5th round depending on free agency.

      • CanadaBear

        I don’t think the last 4 could be considered easy games for the Bears. It’s not out of the question they lose every one of them. In fact, I’d be surprised if they are favored in any of them.

        • BerwynBomber

          We should be favored against DET at Soldier. Or at Ieast I assume we would be were the game played next week.

          • CanadaBear

            A lot can happen in the next 5 weeks. Between the Bears injuries and not much progress on the D or ST’s, I just don’t see many wins.

        • Big Mike

          It will be tough but losing all of these by close scores is the best outcome. 4-12 buys a lot of new toys for a team that is gaining an identity

      • Irish Sweetness

        I don’t think we can beat any of them based on what we’ve done. The Bucs just knocked off the Falcons. Detroit beat us already, Minny beat them twice, and Washington’s D probably smothers us.

        But in draft terms, that’s all excellent of course.

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      I still think a JAG punter in the 6th round is a decent pick. He’s solid and cheap for 4 years. That has value over paying a solid veteran 3-4x as much to do the same thing.

      That said, I hope they let him walk after 4 years unless he turns into something special.

      • Big Mike

        Could have picked up a guy like that as a UDFA. Not that they would have turned the pick into anything. But they could have added a big body.

        • BillW

          I get he’s just a punter, but with the special teams so bad you’d like a guy who at least tries to make a tackle instead of backing up into the end zone so he can watch him score.

          As O’B said – why does this guy even have pads on?

          • Big Mike

            he was supposed to be this Punter/athlete. Fast, big etc.

        • Joecashflow

          They did. Tress Way. Twice. Didn’t keep him because had to justify drafting a punter. This year, so far, O’Donnel is better, but not last year.

      • Irish Sweetness

        When you need a good punter ….. that’s not good. We should not be concerned with punters.

    • DaMurph

      Another draft pick wasted by Emery, his drafts sucked! Shea was the first of many blown picks, O’Donnell just another in a long line of garbage. Thanks Phil, you sucked!!

      • Trac

        Jess!

    • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

      IMO the offensive game plan in the 1st half cost them the game. How many points did it cost them?

      • Big Mike

        I can understand it though. It wasn’t senseless. Strong pass rush, top defense, sort it out see what your boys have up front. I like to think of it as they figures something out at half time and took advantage of it.

        • Sactowns#1

          The third down play calling was abysmal and as Bears fans we should all be embarrassed.

          • Big Mike

            I wasn’t embarrassed, frustrated a bit. I was a bit more upset about the pattern of run, run, pass on 1st second and 3rd down. Would have like to see some of those early downs used on plays to get 4-5 yards passing..

        • BillW

          That’s how I saw it too. Making sure they didn’t give Minnesota any early momentum. Conservative sure, but at least for a reason. And it worked out as planned – with even a slightly below average defense we win.

          • Big Mike

            I think we have a decent defense, maybe this is semantics, but overall the defense shows some pop, but the secondary has huge holes.

          • BillW

            Yes – not sure how to classify them. It’s like the old statistics joke about having one foot in ice water and one foot in hot coals and saying on average you’re comfortable.

            Maybe it’s more “strong as the weakest link” and the secondary being so weak negates any positives elsewhere.

          • Big Mike

            Yep, we’ve been watching the same team. But they’re competing each week. Scheme is trying to make up for talent deficits. But it’s a big gap.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fangio doesn’t blitz, ergo he’s crazy and our defense can’t work. If you regularly blitz the A gaps for example, you break up run plays in the backfield, or sack the QB. Clay Matthews does it 50% of the time. Football is not hard. Pressure changes games, and apparently Fangio doesn’t get that.

    • CanadaBear

      POD seems slow to launch. Every punt seems like it’s in jeopardy of being blocked. He’ll launch a bomb once in a while but when the Bears most need a good punt POD turns into Podlesh.

      • Big Mike

        Just wasn’t worth a pick. Don’t hate him, but he’s just a punter. Don’t remember any times where he flipped the field or bailed us out with a coffin corner kick. Could be my memory, but his stats are in the bottom ½ of the league. I know a lot of that is on special teams, not just the punter but still.

    • Irish Sweetness

      No love for MEredith? He was inactive against the Queens.

      • Big Mike

        None of those guys Meredith, Stewart are more than special teams or practice squad guys, if you don’t have 3 of 3 top receivers out. Notice the difference in the vertical passing game against a top 5 defense, when it is Alshon running routes. Not only does he get open more often, he goes and gets 50/50 balls. Those other guys have a very hard time getting open and I wouldn’t trust them to go and get a ball.

    • orlandofigure

      – no the guys on the OL don’t deserve any trust. once opponents start gameplanning for them they’ll turn into the turnstile they always are.
      – ya alshon is good. he’s the only decent WR we’ve got.
      – no, marquess wilson is complete garbage. i’d rather have dane sanzenbacher on one leg than marquess wilson. emery picks almost always equal failure, and wilson is no exception. on a good team, he’d have been cut a long time ago.
      – the depth after royal is ZERO. and royal is a bit of a zero himself.
      – the defense has mcphee, amos, and goldman (maybe). the rest is hot garbage.
      – amos is nothing special. he just hasn’t done anything truly stupid or bad yet, which makes him 1000x times better than anything we’ve had at safety in decades.
      – why is mcmanis in the NFL? because our team sucks and is grabbing for any player it can find off the scrap pile. also because fox and pace are dumb enough to think mcmanis deserves a roster spot.
      – yup. o’donnell is just a guy. yet more evidence of the trainwreck phil emery was. never forget to congratulate ted philips and george mccaskey for thinking phil emery was going to be a good GM! our ownership and front office is one of the NFL’s worst.
      – our special teams did not cost us the game. both our defense and special teams cost us this game. and cutler too, because if he’s supposed to be such a good QB like all the insane cutler defenders say he is, why couldn’t he score more than 20 points? it’s because he’s a loser, that’s why. let him loose offensively and watch the interceptions pile up. when the going gets tough, jay cutler runs away and hides. or fails. either way he sucks.

      and i can’t stand this team. i can’t stand the morons who keep trying to tell me john fox is a good coach when he’s obviously mediocre. we’re not winning a super bowl with him as coach. i can’t stand cutler. he’s a loser and he isn’t the future of this team. you’ll never win a championship with cutler. you probably won’t get to the playoffs with him either. he’s a turnover machine and he has zero football IQ. and because, as bears fans, we have been subject to bad quarterback play for so long, that brings out the idiots who go out of their way to defend the one bears QB in ages who isn’t 100% awful. no. he’s just 95% awful, and i can’t stand him. GET RID OF HIM. find the next QB for this team and let’s move on from this idiot who doesn’t give a damn about winning.

      and being in close games with bad teams is not improvement. especially when you keep losing them. we’ve played exactly 3 good teams: the cheesehead dumbasses, the seahawks, and cardinals. and they all beat us handily. the bears need to lose games so we can get high draft picks, and restock our team with talent. that is, if ryan pace knows how to draft, and i see no evidence that he does. his 1st round pick this year is already a bust, and i have no faith in the long term prospects of goldman and grasu. it’s going to be a long time before we get back to being just average.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        I am not sure why you are a Bears fan.

      • Joecashflow

        Ok, every Bears fan deserves at least one rant, after the last 23 games. Respectfully diagree with 95% of your assessment, but hope you feel better now. Season ain’t over. Let’s see what happens. Cutler is showing signs of better decision making , throwing some great passes. Agree we need to score more. Let’s see what happens.

  • NewBearInTown

    I was really high on Fuller (though I had a second round grade on him) when Emery drafted him. I thought he was going to do great things in our offense.

    But that was because I viewed Fuller as a really great cover-2 corner. I see him as great playing zone and supporting the run defense. In this defense, he’s asked to do things that Lovie or Tucker would not look for as much. And that’s why I think he’s struggling. He’s a good player, but not good enough to transcend scheme (yet).

    Fuller is a player we will likely move on from when his rookie deal expires, only to see him find more success with a team that runs a better scheme fit.

    • Trac

      Yeah, I don’t get it either. Why would Emery draft the guy for offense and then put him on defense? Hee hee.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’ve seen enough of Rolle – we have nothing to lose trying Fuller out as a nickel/safety.

  • CanadaBear

    That play by McMannis was laughably bad. Not funny to me but anyone that isn’t a Bears fan.

    • The GP

      Could Hurst have been worse?

      • Viva

        I was going to answer, and then I was like, oh, that was rhetorical.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Can’t believe we re-signed him. Somewhere, Terry Williams is eating burgers, yet we have Demontre Hurst on the roster.

  • Sactowns#1

    The play calling on the first 5 drives was laughable. On almost every 3rd down we were throwing it behind the line of scrimmage. And this wasn’t 3rd and 1 or 2 this was 3rd and 6 or 7. And you throw ill conceived and executed screens?! WTF!?

    • Joecashflow

      And Minny had studied the film and was ready for every one, as was shown on first drive of game. No half time adjustment. We were out coached second half.

  • Sactowns#1

    So I just wanted to crow a little bit this morning. Remember last week when you guys were all “Green Bay is sooo good. Aaron Rodgers is my boyfriend and he’s going to beat that old Manning guy” And I was all like “I don’t think so guys. You may be in love with Aaron and I’m sure he whispers sweet nothings into your ear at night but Manning has a great record in prime time. Plus Denver D doesn’t give up points at home so I’mtaking Denver.” And you guys were all “Nuh uh!”
    Yeah… well I just wanted to remind everyone.

  • The GP

    OLB Lamarr Houston had 4 snaps out of 58 on Sunday

  • Sactowns#1

    BTW Jeff- Good job going 3 for 3 this week!

    • TheBigCheesy

      i thought he picked da bears?

      • Sactowns#1

        Ah you are right. I thought he took the over in that game but he did pick the beloved so he was 2/3 just like me.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Can someone explain to me how the Packers are 6-1 this morning? How does last night’s not count for at least 1.5 losses?

    • BillW

      It may count for two with the carry over effect next week. It ain’t easy but Rodgers can be beat. To his credit, he takes the sack or throws in the ground rather than trying to force a play.

    • CanadaBear

      We’re all crestfallen over the Fudgies loss.

      • willbest

        I reserve most of my unchristian moments for the Packers and a large chunk of the rest for MB’s friday post.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I know I am.

    • Scharfinator

      That was an impressive defensive display. I wonder how far it will carry Peyton.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Had to chuckle at the “Playoff Visions Fade” part of the Title of this thread.

    Did anyone really have any “Playoff Visions” for the Bears in 2015? I had a .500 Season Vision…and that’s a crap shoot at best.

    We could of and should of beat Detroit and we could of and should of beat the Dikes…

    I do have high hopes for the Bears future and I think the team is on the right track…we just need a few more holes to plug before 2017.

    • willbest

      The way the NFC is playing out 9 wins might get you a WC depending on who you beat.

    • TheBigCheesy

      The good news is that the Bears have a shot to contend in 2017.

      The bad news is that so do all the other 31 teams.

      • Johnnywad

        The way things are looking Cheesy, the Bears might win a Super Bowl before the Packers do.

        • BillW

          A testament to the Ditka Bears is that everyone (fans and rivals) say they should have won more than one Super Bowl. It actually is respect when you think about it. No one ever says that about any other one win SB team.

          It looks like years from now people will say the same about Rodgers. It is respect in that it’s not all the QB obviously. But when the QB consumes that much of the cap – and is generally considered one of greatest of all times the expectations are higher.

          The worst part of the Cubs season for me is knowing that anything short of winning the NL will be considered disappointing if not actually failure. Cant enjoy the success like this year.

          For years now for Packer fans anything short of winning another SB with Aaron is failure. So no matter how bad other teams are – their failure will hurt more because they are expected to succeed.

          Being a sports fan can make you crazy.

          • Big Mike

            Indianapolis Colts with Manning.. Peyton Manning in general. How in God’s name Eli has won two is a mystery.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Eli is an enigma. He can suck so bad, and then go out and throw six TDs. Where he keeps it in character is that he throws 6 TDs and loses.

        • TheBigCheesy

          Yeah. That’s a reasonable perspective to have. Nothing irrational about that sentiment.

          • Johnnywad

            The division’s getting stronger Cheesy. The annual Packers waltz through the NFC North is coming to a close with both Chicago and Minnesota under new and improved management and coaching.

            The Packers D is a ghost. More to do there than you’ll allow, I’m sure.

            The Packers philosophy of trotting out a weak ass D, makeshift O line, a fat ass lazy RB, and hope that Vadgers can post a 118 rating on the season including the post season, is proving to fall just a bit short. Rodgers is great, maybe the best, but he will not be able to continually go it alone. Doesn’t work that way. Did I mention he’s a whiny ass bitch? (There’s the irrational part. But still, fuck him and his bullshit.). He showed a little quit on his Muppet face last night.

            Disagree?

          • TheBigCheesy

            I can’t really predict the future. But i’ve been hearing “the packers’ days are numbered” warnings from y’all on this site for over five years running, so forgive me if I don’t take it seriously… Particularly when the reasons given to support such warnings are ridiculous.

            But you are right: One day, the Packers will not win the NFC north. That is very true.

          • BillW
    • Trac

      I’m driving my son to Schools this morning and I casually mention the Bears lost to the Vikings. My son looks over at me, pauses for a moment and then says, “you mean the Viqueens?”. Hahaha. That’s my boy!

    • Johnnywad

      I’ve contended they would be playing meaningful football in December. They’re currently just an “also ran”. Barring a 5 game winning streak, which seems all but impossible, that’s where they’ll stay.

      That said, the team is about as good as I had hoped. Very competitive. A couple of first downs is all that separates 2-5 and 4-3. I’ll take it. I could still see them beating some teams this year with playoff chances and removing them from the post season.

  • willbest

    Well with playoff hopes dashed (heh), lets not win too many games. Want to be drafting in the top 12 after all. And at least these games are at least decent enough to watch and we are in most of them until late in the 4th. So we can hold off on whether we should be drafting the a LT, OLB, or CB and which college prospects of each we like the best until bowl season.

    • beninnorcal

      Oh you know they’re gonna win some games down the strecth, probably even one or two that they shouldn’t.

      • willbest

        The only games left on their schedule that they shouldn’t win are @GB and DEN. Every other game they should have a nontrivial chance

        • BillW

          Rivers against our secondary, without Forte and Royal, worries me. We can’t win a shootout that way, and might not be able to control the clock either.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Denver will beat us 100-0.

          • Joecashflow

            Not with Alshon. We gotta isolate him one on one on side lines. Maybe Marioty over the middle and Langford can smash it in. No screens, please.

    • BillW

      I think it’s more valuable to establish a winning attitude. Turning losses like this and Detroit into wins at the end of the season will build trust in the coaching staff, which I feel would be worth more than the differential value of a few draft slots.

      • Johnnywad

        Precisely Bill. Draft positioning should be an afterthought. Play to win.

        This notion that picking 7th instead of 14th or 20th is more important than winning games is just silly. If you were somehow able to reorder previous drafts based on player production in the league, they would look nothing like the actual draft. It’s more crap shoot than science.

        • Trac

          That sounds fine and dandy in the board room JW Jr.. But a top 3 spot in the draft would help shift the spectrometer in the Bears favor for next year way more than a hard fought meaningless win at the end of a fruitless campaign.

          Nay I say, bring on the Kraken!

          Jalen Ramsey, come to Chicago young man.

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WIGc2LooeFs

        • Irish Sweetness

          Unless you trust the guy picking …. sure, if it’s Angelo, it doesn’t matter if you have the top pick in each round, he’ll burn them. POX? We’ll see. The Bears won’t tank, they’ll just lose games because our liens aren’t very good, and that will give us the same results come draft time.

          Rule #1 of the next draft : No quarterbacks.

      • willbest

        I don’t know, I would like to think that we could have avoided Shea McClellin if Lovie hadn’t won a couple meaningless games to end the season.

        • BillW

          Well, I’ll give you that every day. But who knows what other “find” he would have uncovered? Hell, he might have taken him #1 for all we know!

  • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

    Another thing I noticed yesterday: Bears were routinely in 3rd and long situations. This has been a trend all year, but they’ve converted them at a high rate. I’ve been worried for several weeks that wouldn’t continue, and it didn’t yesterday.

    • Big Mike

      the pattern of trying to establish the run has routinely had them almost predictably running on first and second down. I think every so often one of those safe 4-5 yard pass plays on first or second was called for. Increases the value of play action.

      • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

        I love seeing Alshon being targeted on early downs even if it’s for a slant or comeback route. Make the D worry a bit.

        • CanadaBear

          I think you’ll get your wish this weekend with Forte likely out. Alshon is clearly #2 behind Forte as far as being an offensive weapon. Hopefully, AJ and Pace can come to terms on a 4 year deal in the next few weeks. AJ is the real deal. Yeah, he’s been banged up a bit but he’s certainly not a prima donna or a marshmallow. I’m not really down on Gase because of all the injuries. Gotta admit this is the best jay has looked with the Bears. He’s at the level he was in Martz’s offense when he broke his thumb. Kudos to the coaching staff and Cutler.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            Alshon is a freak of nature. His hands and ball skills are something that only a small handful of the guys in the league possess. He looks slow as all hell but his strides are long and deceptive. Once he gets a step he usually wins then his go go gadget arms and hands come out and pluck the ball out of the air.
            Cutler is playing with control, confidence and with reckless abandon all at the same time. Losing Forte sucks though because he was playing at a very high level and I was excited to see how they would use him in the next few weeks.

    • 505Bears

      Those Ron Turneresque WR screens didn’t help. I thought it was turn back the clock day to how predictable the offense was the first quarter and part of the second.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “You tell me if Kyle Fuller is any good. I have no idea. At least he made a play!”

    Good things happen when a DB actually looks back for the football.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Or..

      “Even a blind squirrel finds an occasional acorn.”

  • The Ghost of Super Bowl XX

    Up till now, I don’t know how Bennet expect to sign a new lucrative contract. show some interest “big mouth”.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Going to be in Scottsdale this coming weekend, including Monday night. Any good Bears fan bars in the area?

    I don’t know Scottsdale at all but I’m SURE there are, judging by the fact that a Bears game in Phoenix STILL sounds like a Chicago Home game.

    I will investigate though.

    • AlbertInTucson
    • AlbertInTucson

      Recommendations from someone in the area I trust :

      El Hefe (there’s one in Tempe that’s also a Bears bar)

      Rehab Burger (heard good things about their
      food)

      Four Peaks (great beers) – this is in northern Scottsdale but just off the 101)

      Craft 64

  • Scharfinator

    I’m starting to think we don’t need to worry about Gase going anywhere next year…

    • BearDown100393

      How much of a loss is it really should he leave?

      • BillW

        Made the same point earlier. I felt the same way after reading Jeff wonder if it’s not Cutler making Gase look good.

        • willbest

          Peyton Manning spent the last 6 weeks looking like a pile of crap trying to run Kubiak’s offense. Cutler looks as good as he ever has with Gase. It is an absolute fact that Gase does not get in the way of his QB, and at the best you might even say that Gase knows how to work with the QB he has rather than the QB he wants to have.

          Plus, people that pretend to know about these things, say Cutler’s footwork has never looked better.

          • BillW

            Excellent point. And though the screen passes in the beginning of the game are being criticized, it’s another example. He knew the line would have trouble communicating with the three inside positions having all different players this week. So he let them ease into it with plays away from the pocket. Rather than let the Vikings rush only to see disaster right off the bat.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            I disagree Bill. There are ways to quickly get the ball out to Alshon and Marty that take just as much time as the slip screens, bubbles and whatever that play to Forte was that my 9yr cousin predicted when he went in motion behind Cutler.

          • BillW

            Can’t argue that. I guess I’m just saying there was a reason for the calls. A part of a a game plan but it didn’t work in large part because Minnesota expected them (per something I read today). Gase did give them up after halftime.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            I give him credit for adjusting but then have to take the credit away because he pissed away an entire half calling the same BS over and over.

          • Big Mike

            Didn’t know what he had, protected his QB in the first half. Gould makes his long FG, Langsford catches the ball or the McManis doesn’t fuck up on special teams AND defense giving up 2 TDs in a game, we’re probably not having this conversation.

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t think you need to “pretend” to know that. Anyone with a decent set of eyes can see his pocket footwork has improved this year. I brought it up weeks ago but was shot down with some “he has always good footwork” snark, which garnered a winner’s share of up votes.

            I suspect because it was perceived to be a criticism of old Jay. Oh well.

          • willbest

            pretend probably wasn’t the best word. I just have no idea who is and isn’t an expert, I only see who claims to be. And some people that claim to have a deeper understanding, like ESPN’s JD, have been so woefully wrong that I have no idea what their expertise actually involves.

          • Big Mike

            His footwork has always been good. Sometimes. 🙂 Then it goes to shit and he launches a ball like an 8th grader. Sometimes he makes good throws with bad footwork. His canon, lets him get away with it. But sometimes it costs him.

          • Big Mike

            The QB he has, rather than the QB he wants. Not doing this is the downfall of so many teams. Shanahan, RGIII comes to mind..

        • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

          the biggest difference between Cutler this year and past years is his decision making. He’s not forcing passes into traffic, and thus his INTs are down. That’s on Gase working with him well.
          If Gase sticks around, I’d like to see them spend next offseason focusing on improved mechanics. That’s still the weak point in his game, he doesn’t throw with good mechanics consistently, and that makes his accuracy less than what you’d like.

          • SC Dave

            You have to eat an elephant one bite at a time.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            Dave, I find it amusing that you’ll defend guys like Conte and McClellin to the absolute death but can’t muster up one fucking compliment to a guy going out there and doing it for the team and putting them in positions to win.

          • Trac

            Hahaha. Rub some dirt on it yonny. Lol

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            I try to give guys on this site credit where credit is due and to be honest the discourse here is usually light years beyond the Bears Facebook page which is an absolute travesty that people attach their names and actual faces to. With that being said it gets a little obvious on here that some guys just can’t let it go no matter what and despite the actual game play have already predetermined who and what they care about…….

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’ve never checked out the Bears’ FB page …. how about that?

            (trundles off to Bears’ FB page)

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            agreed, and decision making was the most important thing to fix

          • Joecashflow

            And footwork, moving in the pocket, buying time…decision time. They go hand in hand.

          • Johnnywad

            I don’t know Wood. He makes some brilliant throws from some pretty awkward positions

          • http://www.dabearsbeat.com/ Johnathan Wood

            yes, he does, but he also misses some pretty easy throws by a mile because he throws off his back foot from a clean pocket.

          • Joecashflow

            I saw some pretty shit throws by A. Rogers this week. Cutler seems on the money on third downs.

          • Big Mike

            Mechanics won’t change, ever. Every QB coach since cutler has stressed mechanics. Of course he’ll work on them. I would argue that his bad mechanics throws when he’s scrambling are one of his better traits.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Is anyone enamored with Gase? I’ll tell you one thing, what is all the fuss about Fangio ?

      Nobody blitzes less than the Bears ? Well, where does that get us? What is the thinking there?
      I do not like Vic Fangio based on that little stat alone.

      • Big Mike

        Fangio has taken a defense without much talent and made it watchable. The ran three corner blitzes, they stunted McPhee all game long. He’s taken 4-3 ends, turned some of them into 3-4 DTs, found a replacement for the captain (McClellin) on the fly who is actually better than the McClellin, he’s rolled a rookie out at safety who is looking like a solution at that position and he’s running a front group without their best player (Ratliffe), who was rightfully let go.

        Gase put up 20 on a top 5 defense without a single guy on the OL in the positions they were in during the pre-season, with backups at LT,RG and LG. They did that without their best player (Forte) for nearly 1/2 the game, without a true slot receiver.

        So, I’d say they’ve done a good job covering up for the talent mess.

        Special Teams on the other hand, someone needs to lose their job.

  • BillW

    I was asked today at work what the mood of the crowd was walking out. I’ve been to well over a hundred games in my life. Way too many of the losses I’ve seen were accompanied with anger, or a sick feeling of disappointment or some other negative emotion.

    Yesterday it seemed like the crowd felt as I did: Oh well, not there yet. Better days are coming but probably not this year. Everyone seemed to understand it’s a process.

    Trust me – there was great excitement when Cutty scored. And the time off the clock was well noticed by all. But so was the time remaining. When Teddy managed the FD after being sacked, we all seem to realize that Cutler was going to have to do it again. And there was no doubt he would – but the moment was too big for Langford right now, and everyone seemed to understand that too.

    This was probably my only game this year and I have to say the patience and understanding of the fans there was impressive.

    Last note – Minnesota fans were well represented as always, and I have to say they are by and large very classy fans. Certainly a lot of cheering but no trash talking that I heard. I’m sure there was, but nothing like GB or Detroit fans. Maybe an unfair comparison for nay of a number of reasons, but it was worth noting I thought.

    • DaMurph

      I went to a game in Minnesota a few years back and the fans there were gracious hosts. Not much bullshit and overall well behaved. Atlanta fans were good hosts too. Id never go to Philly for a game, they are the nastiest bunch of pricks Ive ever encountered. I had the misfortune of witnessing their behavior in San Francisco when they were visiting for a Niner game. Im telling you they were the rudest mother fuckers Ive ever encountered.

      • BillW

        Sometimes I feel Bear fans can be rude. I still get upset when I think of stories I heard from the NFCC against New Orleans after Katrina.

        Outside of that game, it does seem worlds better now in the new stadium (higher prices / bag searches to limit carry-in alcohol and $10 beer will do that.) In the old stadium Garcia Security could be seen running up the aisles at least once a game and usually more. It was pretty easy to bring in flasks etc back then.

        By and large the Bears/Packers banter is loud but not mean. My son said it was the same up at Lambeau.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Family events and alcohol don’t go together. Imagine bringing a kid(s) to a game.
          “Why are they fighting daddy?”
          “Alcohol.”

          Either ban alcohol, or ban kids.

          • Johnnywad

            Or just ban assholes.

        • Joecashflow

          The Big Easy fans were the most gracious I have ever encountered on their home field.

      • Cormonster

        I’ve been to about 15-20 Bears games. Ironically, the most fights I ever seen at a game, by a wide margin, was in 2003 when the Bears played the Chargers. There were 4 or 5 fights just in our area of the parking lot. One of them, right in front of us, involved 12-16 people throwing punches and it didn’t stop until a bunch of cops arrived. There were also quite a few arguments and shoving matches. I was really surprised by how many Charger fans were in the parking lot. It was one of the Soldier Field “tailgating” parking lots.

      • RenoBear

        Funny, I’ve been to Bears- niners and Bears- Oakland games. Oakland fans were a ton of fun and I never felt threatened once at that game, even though the Bears won. The niners game was that Thursday nighter that Cutler threw 5 picks that the niners WON, and I almost got jumped in the dark ass candlestick parking lot by a group of 4-5 drunk as hell niners fans.. while I was walking with my 8 month pregnant wife! I’m glad the cops happened to roll by, things were going south very quickly.

    • Irish Sweetness

      I felt nothing at the loss. Losses only help us now. And it’s bunkum bullshit to think that higher picks aren’t better than lower picks. If you believe in your management, then you need higher picks.

      Question the first : do we give Joe Thomas a look ?

      If we don’t get a guy like Thomas, then we need to draft him, and that deprives us of a top pass rusher.

    • Big Mike

      Minnesota is almost Canada. Nice people,polite.

  • Trac

    Too soon? I’ll tell you this much, if the Bears draft a RB next year, I’ll become a Springboks fan.

    http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2584866-2016-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-midseason-predictions/page/11

  • DaMurph

    Whos coming to San Diego? Drinks are on MB!!!!

    • Sactowns#1

      I’ll be there with 5 other Bears fans (one Lions fan and a Chargers fan)
      Should be a lot of fun. Let me know if any of you want to hit some North Park breweries earlier in the day.

      • DaMurph

        We land 11:15 and renting a car and staying at the Sheraton in Mission Valley. Breweries sound good, Im bringing my son-in-law and hes a brewery loving beer drinker! We will see what MB has in the works too.

        • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

          MB will have Blasian bikini models serving vaporized Grey Goose martinis with ultra pure distilled ice cubes…..and carne asada hold the tortilla please.

        • Sactowns#1

          Sounds good. I was looking at North Park and Downtown so tell the son in law Stone, Ballast Point, Coronado, Belching Beaver and a tasting room like Tiger Tiger. But of course that is dependent upon our blog local MB.
          Should be a blast and it will be rad to put some names to some faces.

  • The GP
    • CanadaBear

      Every time I see your avatar all I can hear is the Unknown Comic going “Chucky, chucky, chucky, chucky. Still cracks me up.

  • The GP

    Dan Bernstein needs a name. I shall call him “Ye Olde Pricke”

    Ye Olde Pricke seethes with so much contempt for Halas Hall, perhaps he should simply be relieved of having to cover the organization anymore. His promos for Bears coverage drip with sarcasm and he clearly hates the team and hates the NFL.

    I agree with him on many fronts, the NFL is a disgusting organization that did try and railroad CTE investigations – and Will Smith will be making a movie about this at Xmas.

    But it’s your job to cover the sport and the sport is still pretty big and so perhaps at some point the whole “I hate even having to talk Bears” should just be supplanted by another jock who doesn’t. And his sycophantic toadie Terry should go with him.

    Seriously – that show needs to go. I don’t listen in the afternoons because I can’t stand it.

    • BerwynBomber

      The only local team that they continually fellate is the Cubs — Bernstein loves both Epstein and Maddon (and of course therefore toady Terry does too).

      But they’re brutal on the Sox and they don’t care for Fox. I would say they are somewhere in the middle on both the Bulls and Hawks.

      • willbest

        I don’t regularly listen to them, but two seasons ago when they were doing it without Rose, he was to be regularly found on Thibbs cock. Really though, I thought it was his shtick to hate on any Chicago team that wasn’t championship bound.

        • BerwynBomber

          They turned on Thibbs last year … mainly about the minutes overload.

          • Johnnywad

            Yeah. I listened through most of that. Haven’t been back in a while. Bernstein’s a douche. Boers is a repetitive, babbling old man that never forms an opionion of his own.

          • BerwynBomber

            Bernstein is a douche but he is smart and occasionally has interesting takes — which in and of itself is something of a rarity on sports talk radio. Boers is worthless.

      • Johnnywad

        Holy shit. How could anybody be in the middle on the Hawks?

        • BerwynBomber

          Hmmm … well they both think the Hawks are the best and the same for Toews and Coach Q. But they aren’t huge hockey fans.

          And yes I listen to their program more than I should. Probably a couple of nights a week on podcasts.

          • Johnnywad

            Ahh. Thought you meant they didn’t like the way the Hawks were running their ship, etc.

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, was lazily lumped/worded by me.

    • beninnorcal

      I can’t even listen to those clowns anymore.

  • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

    I hate talking draft but after watching Notre Dame I’d like to see Jalen Smith in a Bears uniform.

    • DaMurph

      How about that Temple linebacker, Matakevich? Kid has mad instincts and skills!

      • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

        haha, I knew you’d go for the Serbian dock worker.

        • DaMurph

          I thought he was Cro! hahaha!

      • SC Dave

        Thumbs up to you both as i know the difference. At least geographically.

  • BillW

    regarding JWood’s post on the Bears facing long yards to go on third all year and not converting this game – some numbers (unofficial)

    3 for 12 of 3rd down (0 for 5 in first screen happy half, then a fair 3 for 7

    67% were 6 yards or more to go. They actually converted 3 of those 8. They didn’t convert any of the 4 that were shorter than that.

    33% were 8 yards or more. They converted 1 of those and another they got within a yard and converted on 4th.

    Only twice did they have less than 5 to go and didn’t convert either.

    The play calling in the first half was a detriment but again possibly at least a help in getting the line communicating. Still, they only had one positive yardage play on 3rd in the first half and that for 2 yards. The others were 3 no gains and one sack and loss of 3. (With one made FG).

    In the second – they had 3 double digit gains (14, 19, 28). One 7 (led tot the 4th down conversion) and 3 zeros but only one punt, one made FG, one miss.

    Conclusions are tough to draw but I might say when the line is blocking OK we do OK on third and 6-8. It’s strange that didn’t convert a single thrrd down with less than 6 to go (0 for 4).

    • SC Dave

      In the first half, they would have led save a punt return. Hardly the disaster its being played for here.

      • Joecashflow

        We gotta address the special teams. O’Donnell says he tried to boom it long distance and nobody was within 20 yds due to short hang time, but still , 3 run backs already. Unacceptable.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Vernon Davis to the Broncos for a pair of #6s.

    • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

      sounds like a deal if you can get 2yrs out of him. Davis has not been happy with Kap.

      • AlbertInTucson

        He hasn’t been on the field a lot, either.

    • willbest

      Its not really a pair of 6th rounders. It more or less work’s out to the Bronco’s 6th round pick in 2017.

      The Broncos will be drafting late in round 6 in 2016, and the 49ners will be drafting early in round 7 in 2016, so there is very little difference between those two picks which are being swapped as part of the trade.

      I am a bit surprised at this. Peyton Manning finally found his tight ends yesterday. Don’t know what Davis adds at this point.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    My argument is that draft is crap shoot. So why not take 8 defenders? If 3 are solid starters you had great weekend. https://twitter.com/bergsthezombie/status/661298634277818368 …”

    I agree with the “Crap Shoot” part of that and don’t necessarily disagree with the rest.

  • Sactowns#1

    Need to make up for some losses over the weekend? Hit the under in tonight’s game if you can get it at 46 or higher.

  • AlbertInTucson

    The finale of the Miami-Duke game was a travesty.

    Both as a football “play” and as a monument to officiating incompetence on multiple levels AND conference stupidity.

    The ACC suspended the officials involved from the on-field crew to the replay guy to the replay communicators.

    Good.

    THEN, the ACC names the guy who scored the TD as their “Player Of The Week”

    Moronic.

    It’s time to put a stake in the heart of the vampire that is that type of football “play”.

    New Rule: 2 backward passes on any given play.

    This is American Football.

    Not Rugby.

    And not a circus.

    Nothing AGAINST Rugby, BTW, but that’s a different game.

    Let’s KEEP it that way.

    • NewBearInTown

      Meh, I think its an interesting low percentage play you see once every couple of weeks. I just think the officials need to do their jobs better, particularly the replay officials (who don’t have to worry about being in position to see the ball on crazy stuff like that).

      • AlbertInTucson

        It ceases to be football, the officals can’t keep up and the whole thing becomes a bad joke.

        “Music City Miracle”?

        Fine.

        What happened Saturday at Duke or, just as bad, “The Stanford Band” return”?

        No thanks.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Peanut had a pick tonight? He’s on a 2M, one-year contract. Because we didn’t have 2M …?

    • SC Dave

      The Lovie locker room is history, Irish

    • BillW

      Allen just got a sack (maybe a half sack) and olsen with a td

      • SC Dave

        Allen and Tillman were washed up for us. Olsen was not.

        And I remember the counters when I said at the time what an idiot trade that was.

        “Oh, that 3rd got us Brandon Marshall!”

        So, how did THAT work out? I’d rather have had Olsen the past, what, six years?

        • madscout12

          We could have gotten Marshall regardless of that trade. Seriously…after being one hell of a weapon for Jay in 2010 he leaves in 2011? Because of fucking Mike Martz? Fuck that guy!

          Olsen stays and we don’t have to stomach years of Kellen Davis and then pony up for Bennett. Or we do and then we run the 2 good TEs offense.

        • BillW

          I was just noting ex bears. Not saying I wanted them back except olsen

    • BerwynBomber

      Allen has actually had more of an impact for them in less time. But their other CB Josh Norman might make All-Pro this year.

      Credit, though, for Peanut remaining healthy this year.

  • SC Dave

    I remember all you douchebags with the Girly Thor horseshit. Lol. Has played EVERY FUCKING SNAP for the Panthers so far

    • beninnorcal

      I always liked him. I think he was just a casualty of the Martz scheme.

      • BillW

        And Lovie and Angelo. Since when do oc’s decide personnel?

        • beninnorcal

          They don’t, but Olsen didn’t fit the scheme(Martz’s), hence, they traded him. He was a casualty of the Martz scheme. I didn’t make this up, Bill, it’s pretty well-known.

          • beninnorcal

            Angelo drafted Olsen.

          • beninnorcal

            Martz wanted a blocking TE, so they got one named ‘Man-ah-Mula’

  • BillW

    Don’t know if I’ve ever seen ot end on a 4th down stop. Seems like after a fg the other always drives for at least a fg attempt

    • BerwynBomber

      It happened in TB/ATL on Sunday. TB drove for a FG and then stopped ATL on fourth down on their drive. Ballgame.

  • Johnnywad

    Blaine Gabbert ladies and gentlemen.

    Wow. I don’t think I can recall a team just going to hell this fast and this far.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000572076/article/niners-bench-colin-kaepernick-blaine-gabbert-to-start

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