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Bears Introduce John Fox as New Head Coach

| January 19th, 2015

Photo appeared in the Chicago Tribune.

Photo appeared in the Chicago Tribune.

The press conference set to begin at 11 AM CT to introduce John Fox as the 15th head coach in the history of the Chicago Bears. You can watch the press conference live on NFL Network or at ChicagoBears.com and listen live at ESPN 1000 (we don’t promote the other station round these parts).

Remember as you’re enjoying the press conference, these were jobs nobody wanted according to your local media. And they were filled by a young GM in-demand and a head coach with two Super Bowl appearances. You will hear today what I’ve written all along, “head coach of the Chicago Bears” means a great deal to those men who fill the NFL’s coaching ranks.

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  • SC Dave

    First to say I can’t see it live… boo

  • Maddbearfan

    How did the Packers blow a 12 point lead and lose a game they should have one and totally embarrassing the NFC north? They stopped playing with 5 min left to play by going into the time management instead of staying in the attack mode till the end!! That’s how they lost! Idiots….

    • AlbertInTucson

      They R-E-L-A-X-ed.

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog

    So…how did the #Packers lose?

    Clearly, the Packers abject failure to take advantage of 5 turnovers for no more than 6 points kept the game within reach for Seattle.

  • Big Mike

    We will not be out Foxed!

  • T’Challa

    A new and hopefully better and more successful era in Bears football.

  • Big Mike

    per .. https://twitter.com/ChicagoBears
    Bears have a special teams coach. Jeff Rodgers. He was with Fox in Carolina and Denver. 5 years experience as ST Coordinator 4 in Denver, 1 in Carolina, 2 years coaching ST in the the NFL. 3 years college coaching before that.

    http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/coaches/Jeff-Rodgers/226e1d3c-fc4d-4114-ad69-dc7427472037

    • Big Mike

      From 2013 Pro Football Focus analysis
      https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/11/21/the-third-phase-ranking-the-special-teams/2/

      2. Denver Broncos: +20.0 (seattle was first)
      (Penalty Rank 23rd, Tackling Efficiency Rank 2nd)
      It’s not co-incidental that the best two teams in football also boast the best two sets of special teamers. David Bruton started brilliantly but then dropped off with the added attention only to be replaced (in production at least) by the hugely talented rookie Kayvon Webster. It’s also worth noting that six players individually have missed five tackles this year – the Broncos have only missed six combined.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        not to be critical by default, but Denver ST should be elite every year. Playing where they play and with the Specialist they have (in 2013 especially) you’ll be top of the cream almost by default.

        the good news…they weren’t bad. That would have been a red flag.

        • Big Mike

          They do have an edge, but thin air doesn’t help you tackle.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            no, but you get touch backs at impressive rate and the punts travel long and high.

            Plus, in 2013 it’s not like they had numerous bad field position punts. You don’t have lots of ‘punt from the endzone’ situations with Manning to begin with.

            The Denver Broncos had more TD than Punts in 2013. 71 TDs against 65 Punts.

          • CanadaBear

            Both you and BM make good points. Do you think our ST’s would have been good in Denver this year? I don’t.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            ‘Our ST’ were 8/11 made of rookies.

            They would have been much better… not that they were disastrous.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Can’t wait to listen. Should be interesting to see Fox for the first time in front of the Chicago media.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      For me, Pace’s replies are far more important than Fox’s. It’s a great moment for him to impose himself and the new man in town.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    The Packers had a fantastic year, especially Rogers. I didn’t see that coming. But at the end of the day they’re not an elite team and it showed. Ted thompson -the best GM in the NFL- has now 1 SB appearance in 9 years with 2 elite QBs. Stop the hype presses and move on.

    The Seahawks’s luck and fortune are deflating. Russel Wilson is different species. 13 fumbles-13 recovered doesn’t happen to ordinary people.

    The Colts needed a masterpiece of a game. They are structurally inferior to the Patriots. What Colts do great the Pats don’t do, what they do good, the Patriots do great and what they do poorly the Patriots do great. Maybe they should start and plan their team with the patriots in mind…. another bum GM that’s getting credit just for riding the great QB train.

    • Big Mike

      I believe NE is going to have their way with Seattle. It’s true that good luck is where hard work and talent meet, but at some point bounces will stop going their way.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I doubt it. Not to Russel Wilson.

        It’s going to be a ‘last drive’ type of a game from my point of view.

        • Big Mike

          Packers went into Seattle and beat them for 55 minutes. NE > GB, game is not in Seattle. NE by 10.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Pakers beat New England, so that way of seeing things doesn’t work.

            Hey…it’s Super Bowl. It’s all about that game on that day. For me it’s 51-49 Seahawks.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Defense wins championships. Hawks 27-24. Kind of hope Brady wins just to put any Peyton Manning “best ever” talk to rest. Anyone in the media who ever opined that needs to be barred from writing about football because they can’t perceive correctly. He’s not, he never was, let it go.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            The Patriots have a great defense also.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      I for one thought that it was Seattle’s ST and Defense that won that game. If GB score TDs in lieu of FGs on the two turnovers Seattle would have never got to OT.

      I saw a clip from Rogers PC after the game and he said that game would haunt him and that they (GB) was the better team. Well I understand he’s disappointed and GB was playing way better for most of the game, but you lost. Seattle deserves some kudos.

      If the Seahawks play anywhere near as poorly vs. NE they will be dismantled. Any word on Sherman’s Arm? It looked to me that he might have broke his arm just above the wrist area.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        even if he did…they’ll keep it a secret.

        Pakers lost that game with bad coaching.

        • Bears-4-Ever

          I just read it’s an elbow issue with Sherman. I think Earl Thomas was actually hurt worse. Both injuries are going to hurt the Legion of Boom vs. Brady. So many weapons to throw to vs. a hurt secondary. Ouch.

          • CanadaBear

            They’re going to have fun tackling Gronk!!!!!!!

  • AlbertInTucson

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    “Jim Bob Cooter is the best name in football. And it ain’t close.”

    Sounds like a refugee from REDNECK ISLAND, ICE ROAD TRUCKERS or AXE MEN.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Jim Bob has a couple of interesting arrests on his record.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Jeff Rogers, from Denver, is Fox’s choice for ST coach.

  • John Doe

    Pat Boyle‏@CSNBoyle

    As Bears search for OC continues.. I heard from NFL source,”don’t count out Mike Shanahan”.. I personally don’t see that happening, but..

    Nelson Criminal Law ‏@NKMLaw 10h10 hours ago

    @CSNBoyle they say he is close with Vic Fangio. What a pair that would make. Pos Best bears staff since Ditka/Ryan

  • CanadaBear

    If the reports are correct Fangio is either coming to the Bears or going to the Skins. It will come down to whether he wants some job security or the money up front. Not saying the Bears are cheap. Napoleon does not get out bid.

  • CanadaBear
  • BerwynBomber

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog “I’ve criticized Rodgers as much as anybody. But he was playing one of the best defenses of the modern era, in their building, on one leg.”

    Agreed. He had a sub-standard game but was certainly not the reason they lost. It was their STs and prevent D that did them in.

    Also agree with Barb that GB is just a cut below elite and that it falls on Thompson and McCarthy. They are very solid GM and HC but they are not great. The division, IMO, will be up for grabs again in ’15.

    One thing to remember about the Cheese is that other than Rodgers’ much reported calf and losing BJ Raji in training camp they were largely injury-free the entire year. I doubt they are gifted such good fortune a second year in a row.

    • Big Mike

      Did you see him drive down the field to get the field goal to send the game to OT? That was clutch.

      • Irish Sweetness

        And Wilson was clutch before that in forcing GB to have to go down the field and score. Two great QBS with different skills.

        • Big Mike

          Agreed. However if you put Rodgers on Seattle, they might not ever lose.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “The Other Station” reports that Pace and Fox will be the only speakers at this morning’s presser.

    I’m sure we are ALL disappointed that Ted Phillips will not be speaking.

    • BerwynBomber

      You don’t want to hear Ted reiterate that Pace reports to him?

  • AlbertInTucson

    Fox Presser has begun.

  • Shady

    He’s no Jim Tomsula…. Thankfully.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Fox: “You talked about 60 like it was OLD or something.”

    THANK you, John Fox.

    • Maddbearfan

      Good one..,

      • AlbertInTucson

        Damn whippersnapper reporter.

  • Maddbearfan

    Hmmm…oversized egos…..no one on the Bears like that that I can think of!!!

    • AlbertInTucson

      Teams without any are like Unicorns.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Straight up, no bullshit, laid back, yet has a passion…so far I like how this guy is talking and presenting himself. “Professional”.

    • Maddbearfan

      Down to earth…just one of the guys..like that!!!

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Because of his experience he’s not going to tolerate players lying or talking the usual BS…I see him coming down like a Hammer on locker-room crap.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    DID he just drop the “Seal Team 6” thing? LOL I love it!

  • Trac

    Fox is going to make the Bears a fun team to root for again. Love his comments.

  • Maddbearfan

    Love his analogies!! Yep, gonna be fun to watch!

  • Bears-4-Ever

    I think the Bears made one of the best decisions (with Fox) in a very long time. I have some high hopes after listening to that PC.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Fox to speak to Speigs & Manelly shortly.

    http://player.radio.com/listen/station/670-the-score/

  • John Doe

    Chris Wesseling @ChrisWesselingFollow
    John Fox said he’s looking forward to getting to know Jake Cutler. Yes, Jake.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      LOL

    • SC Dave

      Then he say Jay the next time. Might have been calculated, but probably just nerves. As I recall the question also include Jake Delhomme’s name, so the slip is a peccadillo, at best.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Some wag already pronounced that “They Lost the press conference”.

    Huh?

    The Score: “Bill Belicheck lost every press conference he’s ever held.”.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Fox: “That (SB) Trophy is pretty lonely out there.”

    • SC Dave

      That was my favorite line by far. I was actually going to try to figure out how to cut a frame of him wagging his finger towards that part of Halas Hall as he said that for my avatar, but doubted anyone would notice.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Ummm…just saying. Urlacher will come back to play for this guy…

    • Irish Sweetness

      Stop teasing. Glad to hear him mention Brian though. Shades of Ray Lewis? One last hurrah?

  • AlbertInTucson

    John Fox on THE SCORE, now.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Fox: “Teamwork is a skill”

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Fox: “Selfless over Selfish.”

  • AlbertInTucson

    Fox: “You go a lot better with self-LESS than self-ISH.”

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Jinx!

  • Big Mike

    Best quote of the press conference
    When talking about how tough of a job it is. “We get paid quite a bid.
    The job is hard, we work long hours”. To make the point, one night his
    wife of 30 years asked when he’d be home, he said “Honey I can get a
    paper route and be home all the time, but we’re going to have to move”.

    • SC Dave

      That was good too, but I have to go with Al on the quip about the lonely trophy.

      • Big Mike

        I loved that quote as well. I could relate to the quote about the paper route. I’ve been a guy accused by my wife of spending too much time working.

  • Big Mike

    I was listening on ESPN 1000. Stayed on to listen to whoever hosts that show, I think Carmen and Jurkovich. Stayed on with them for exactly 1 caller. Some moron complaining about Fox reaching out to Urlacher. “I’m tired of hearing about Urlacher, he got paid a lot of money, he shouldn’t bad mouth the Bears, blah, blah, blah.” Caller was a moron

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Most are.

      I maybe dreaming but that Urlacher stuff got my mind’s wheels turning…

      • Big Mike

        He wasn’t very good his last year.

        • BillW

          Maybe assistant lb coach? Something kind of honorary like they gave luke butkus

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Yeah That’s what I’m leaning to as well. Or maybe, just maybe have him as a run stop specialist..A year or two off can do wonders…Yeah he was slow his last year and couldn’t cover very well…so have him be a run stopper or blitzer in certain situations. If Harrison can come back so can Urlacher.

          • Big Mike

            delusional, but why not dream.

          • Big Mike

            You know, the fact that the Bears didn’t sign him wasn’t the beef. Nobody else signed him either. But you have to work with a guy who is the “face of the franchise” and is a HOF player at the most iconic position in the franchise. The guy who was the successor to Bill George, Dick Butkus and Mike Singletary. That shit is bigger to fans than almost anything. So you have to sort it out privately.

            I would have brought Urlacher in, laid out the facts as I saw them My conversation would have been as follows We don’t think anyone else will sign you, we’re offering you a chance to stay with the Bears for $2million on a non-guaranteed, yr by yr basis. If you don’t want to do that, we’ve got a job for you either on the coaching staff, our media department or as an ambassador. What do you want to do? We’d like to announce this together with you and have a Brian Urlacher day next season, if you choose to retire.

          • BillW

            Great post. Summed up nicely

          • CanadaBear

            You can blame PE for the way that was handled.

          • Bears have a long history of spurning their stars.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fuck that. Middle Linebacker. Lombardi. Mayor.

      • CanadaBear

        Yeah, you’re dreaming. #54’s speed was gone and that was his calling card.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I agree with the caller. What does Urlacher have to do with anything ?

      I didn’t heat it… why were they talking about Urlacher in the presser ?

      • Big Mike
        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I get Ditka, but Urlacher ? He hates the ‘franchise’ QB. Boh.

          • Big Mike

            That doesn’t matter.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            He matters more than Urlacher.

          • Big Mike

            His legacy with the Bears is > than Cutlers. Bear fans were universal in their support of Urlacher until the messy divorce. Led the league in Jersey sales for about 5 years. You are confusing the branding of the Bears with their performance on the field. Sure the QB is more important on any team. But to the spirit of the Chicago Bears, Urlacher is far more important than Cutler.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I don’t care about his legacy, the spirit or the fans support.

            Cutler is worth 15M/year or multiple draft picks. Urlacher is worth a bunch of T-shirts.

          • Big Mike

            Which is the difference between you and a real Bears fan.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            It’s also the difference between the Bears and a winning franchise.

            The Ravens never extended Ed Reed, but you’ll never hear all this bitching about it and nobody thinks he must be approached for whatever reason.

          • Big Mike

            It is not about keeping or letting him go. Urlacher was done. The Bears blew it, by not respecting his contribution. Ed Reed was a good player on a team that is 20 years old. Urlacher was the Bears.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            HE ASKED FOR $11 MILLION FOR 2 YEARS WHEN THEY STATED TALKING ABOUT A POSSIBLE RETURN !!!
            The Bears passed, he started bitching, crying and bad mouthing.

            Urlacher wasn’t the Bears. The Bears aren’t nobody in particular. The Bears are more important than any individual.
            A real Bears fan would feel insulted by such a concept. A player being the Bears.
            Remember… players make plays… they don’t make a franchise. The franchise makes them.

            PS: The Packers never gave a fuck about Farve. They just got another great QB and continued their ways. A true Packer fan agrees.

          • Irish Sweetness

            “All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others. ”

            Brine Porklacher was one of those pigs from the second half of that sentence.

          • SC Dave

            Fucking bingo!

          • Big Mike

            🙂

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ah, more importnat o us ‘right now’. Ok, agreed, yes, the Titans pick. Absolutely. That equates to the 9 and 10th pick or 10th and 11th. One of those picks is worth two low first rounders.

            The road back to greatness for us can be downhill on skates if we can get Jay, his wife, his salary and that shitty beard down to Tennessee.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Again…I don’t care anything about the ‘legacy’.

            All I care is the cap space and draft picks Pace might have.

            Do you think Pace give more shit about Lance’s legacy or the Bears 7th round pick in the 2015 Draft?

          • Irish Sweetness

            Please tell me you don’t mean Jay Cutler, Barb.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            O’Donnell matters more than Urlacher.

            He’s actually playing for the Bears. He is a Bears employee.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Lac was our talisman, Cutty was never anything other than an obstacle, and now we have to suffer selfies of him, his shit-eating grin in his Conchita Wurst beard as he contemplates spending our millions. Fack.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Lac was, Cutler is.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Because he’s a fkn legend, and he got royally screwed in a disgraceful manner.

        (talk to the hand!)

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          “royally screwed in a disgraceful manner” ?

          That’s insane.

  • CanadaBear

    Don’t get Jeff’s tweet about Rodgers playing on one leg. Last week, OK. This week, yeah it was still sore but he could still get around. When he ran out of bounds it wasn’t as fast as he usually runs but it was hardly one-legged. That is, until he started fishing for sympathy in the last few steps. He was moving around the pocket just fine all game.

    • Big Mike

      I don’t know what you saw, but at the end of that run he was practically hopping.

      • CanadaBear

        Fishing for sympathy. The first 15 yds of that run he didn’t look like Chester (Dennis Weaver) from Gunsmoke.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yeah, the Rodgers faking stuff is about as idiotic as fandom gets. Doesn’t even make sense.

        Ah well. Bears.

        • CanadaBear

          Riddle me this BB. Why was he OK for the first 15 yds and then goes into the Hopalong Cassidy routine? Nobody worries about his stats and image more than Erin.

          • BerwynBomber

            I assume because his calf shot him a reminder halfway thru the run. Is yours really a serious question?

          • CanadaBear

            Nobody in the NFL is more conscious where the camera is. He plays to it all the time. Watch him on the sideline. He’s always aware if the camera is on him. I don’t like the guy personally and I’m happy to call him on some of his media driven hooey.

    • BerwynBomber

      Not to make excuses for the guy but he was obviously limited the last four or five weeks. They had him in shotgun only for the last 10 quarters — could not even line him up directly under center. It was obvious he couldn’t move well, which unlike with say with a Peyton or a Brady, is a big part of Rodgers’ game.

      Anyway, still comes down the Cheese’s STs and prevent D. Recover an onside kick they are heading to AZ for the big one.

      • CanadaBear

        Limited yes, one-legged yesterday, no.

        • BerwynBomber

          Why are you so bothered by this? I don’t get it.

          • CanadaBear

            I think Jeff’s tweet was a major exaggeration. Erin moved around the pocket just fine all day. No he couldn’t take off like he usually does but that doesn’t mean he was one-legged.

          • EnderWiggin

            He looked fine until the scramble for a first down (late in the game). Then he was done. Mr. Limpy.

        • BillW

          Ah Twitter bites Jeff again. Certainly NOT one legged Dumb comment due again to the 140 character limit.

    • Irish Sweetness

      SMH.

      Fuck Aaron Rodgers. The man is playing a game that is barely football anymore He’s a spoiled, protected species. I think kids today would be shocked to see how QBs played the game of football thirty years ago and more. Aaron had a sore leg? Oh sweet baby jesus can we raise him to heaven and sanctify his soul this minute? Jim McMahon played a half of football with a lacerated kidney! Those guys got decapitated every second play! It was a concussion per drive. Now a defensive lineman brushes a QB’s sock and the guy is filing law suits and crying for his mother. “Did you see that? Did you see what he did to my sock? That’s not FAIR. Throw the flag … THROW THE FLAG!”

  • AlbertInTucson

    Things that are very difficult to do:

    1) Brain Surgery.

    2) Going to the moon.

    3) Blowing a 15 point lead with possession of the ball and 5 minutes left to play.

    • BerwynBomber

      Technically, it was 12, wasn’t it?

      • Big Mike

        It was 12. Haven’t the Bears done this a few times in the last couple years?

        • CanadaBear

          Yeah but never when the stakes were this high. Remember how upset we all were after that Atlanta game? Imagine if that was the NFC Champ game. OUCH!

          • AlbertInTucson

            But the Bears had just taken the lead in that Atlanta game.

          • CanadaBear

            I just meant what a gut punch that loss was to all of us.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The infamous, ill-advised, squib kick.

          • CanadaBear

            That and MB not being able to cover the deep out. I’ve always really liked Gould but he really is shitty at onside/squib kicks.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Typo corrected.

      • BillW

        True and huge difference. Two possessions gave them 3 pt lead vs at most 2 pt if down 15

        Needed to make several plays and they did (Seattle) . Clinton Dix will be a good one but was not ready for his moment on the 2 pointer

        Nice one handed int though. I’m happy with fuller but we’d be happy with Ha Ha too (pun not intended but irresistible)

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, I can’t agree with Blogfather with his “I told you about Dix” tweet from earlier. Horrendous, unforgivable play on the two-pointer but an otherwise good game, and far as I know, a solid rookie campaign. In short, doesn’t look like a bust to me.

          But yes, I think Fuller is the superior talent. One thing, though, that John Doe brought up is that Fuller had an injury-prone rep even coming out of the college. Will bear watching after this year when he was nicked a few times.

      • AlbertInTucson

        No, ACTUALLY it was 12. Typo. Sorry.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Coming back from the moon is the real do-lally …..

      • SC Dave

        This!!

  • Bears-4-Ever
    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, I could see that loss haunting that franchise for years. Would not be surprised if the Cheese have a bad year in the 2015 season. That was Romo-esque but on a team/organizational level. Can’t imagine that not being a HUGE mental hurdle to overcome even if they are lucky enough to ever get to the post-season again.

      • SC Dave

        Hope springs eternal. They’ll win the division again next year because of that bitch.

    • BillW

      Normally I’d feel bad for rodgers but I just can’t given the misery we bears fans have been feeling. Packer fans needed some humility in my opinion. Back to back hof qbs do not guarantee anything. Your coach is nothing special at all. Maybe even bad. So don’t laugh at others misfortune. Your organization wasted favre and appears to be doing the same with rodgerd

      Meanwhile Brady starts twice as many super bowls than those two combined.

      Packers objectively are not a great team at all and never were since the 60s

      • Big Mike

        I feel bad for him personally. He’s a class act. Fuck the Packers.

  • AlbertInTucson

    I understand a LOT of Packer fans are calling for McCarthy’s Scalp.

    • BerwynBomber

      I don’t how you could retain your ST coach after yesterday.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m guessing Capers might be updating his resume just in case.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, but Capers probably gets a pass in that their D did play well for 56 minutes. Whereas their STs not only made the biggest mistake of the game — not recovering the onside kick — but also gave up that fake FG TD earlier.

          • CanadaBear

            Capers has been rumored to be on thin ice for a long time. This might be the tipping point. Who knows?

          • BerwynBomber

            Yep, heard that too. I never thought their D (or Capers rep) was ever the same after they lost Woodson, though I will give the Cheese (and Capers) grudging credit for squeezing a good year out of Peppers.

            But they are also a team facing a potential problem that we faced with an aging Urlacher in a potentially aging Matthews. Once he is gone I can see the Cheese D going to complete shit.

          • CanadaBear

            Matthews doesn’t get there like he used to. Still really good but not like he was. I’m not sure if Capers was responsible for Pep’s re-birth or Pep actually giving a shit this year. Probably a bit of both.

      • BillW

        Why? The fake fg or the onsides?

        • BerwynBomber

          Both

          • BillW

            Brutal to have two plays like that for sure but give some credit to Seattle for the fake. The onsides is maybe bad luck (going right to a guy who was supposed to block) or great play by Seattle for kicking it toward him

          • AlbertInTucson

            Bostic Admits he was supposed to block for Jordy Nelson to receive the ball.

            The fake, however…

      • Big Mike

        86 should be 86d

    • BillW

      And they just signed him to an extension. And those same annoying packer fans probably bragged about the stability of the franchise

      I wonder: McCarthy without rodgers equals Lovie?

      • CanadaBear

        Actually when Lovie’s team was playing against Favre, Lovie was the better coach. Once Rodgers took over, not so much.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, I never been completely sold on McCarthy. He is in that good but not great coach range and seems to be wasting Rodgers’ prime years.

          Oddly enough, maybe you could say the same thing about Lovie in regard to our D and STs during his years. You know, that they were somewhat wasted.

          • CanadaBear

            No doubt.

          • willbest

            I think Angelo wasted that defense by not getting it an o-line or WR#1. I like me Greg Olsen, but if had gotten Sidney Rice instead and had actually hit on a OT, Kyle Orton would have 2 SB rings.

  • AlbertInTucson

    NFL Network: “Adam Gase expected to land with Jaguars or Ravens”

    The Ravens. THAT I understand.

    The Jaguars? THAT I don’t.

    • BerwynBomber

      I could see the Jags with Bortles enticing a young-ish OC. The kid showed enough that you could think there is actually something there to build on.

      • CanadaBear

        The media always beats the drum for Bradley. Maybe with a little more talent and a better coach for Bortles they will stop being a doormat.

  • AlbertInTucson

    White Sox just got better. Tigers’ Max Scherzer just signed with Washington.

    • CanadaBear

      I’m the odd Cubs fan that also likes the Sox (obviously I’m not from Chicago). Both teams should be much improved this year. I just wish the Sox fans would support their team a little better. Not that I give a shit about their ownership. I really liked the Sox when Veeck owned them. Went to quite a few games back then and Comiskey was rocking. Harry and Jimmy were by far the most entertaining broadcasters (not the best, most entertaining). When Reinsdorf and Einhorn took over their disrespect for Veeck put me off the Sox for years.

      • SC Dave

        And Veeck let fans byob, so long as it was not in glass. And therefore, the best sports owner ever.

        • CanadaBear

          Actually back in the day we used to take those plastic jugs full of rum and coke into Wrigley and Busch stadium, too. I totally agree Veeck was the best owner ever. I can remember numerous telecasts of Veeck sitting in the bleachers at Wrigley in an undershirt drinking beer and hanging out with the fans. My memory is a little hazy but I think it was before he owned the Sox. It could have been shortly after he sold them.

  • BillW

    Cheesy – most of us welcome you on the board. Feel free to stop by. I know I’d like to hear your perspective and maybe others too.

    If too soon, that’s understandable

    • Maddbearfan

      Agreed…but he knows he’s gonna have to eat some fruit. But I get a kick out of him too. C’mon Cheesy…you guy still did better than the Bears did.

  • AlbertInTucson

    This Packer loss even outdoes the “Eagles convert on 4th & 28” (?) at Lambeau against Philly, no?

    • BerwynBomber

      Said this twice already (sorry for the broken record) but the Cheese’s loss yesterday can be one that haunts a franchise for years and seriously fucks up their mentality and perspective. I could honestly see the Cheese coming out next year and shitting the bed in regular season. And even if they ever get to a playoff game again, how could they not go into it nervous as shit and constantly looking over their shoulder? That sort of thing can have a lasting effect on confidence.

      Worst loss in the NFL that I remember in a long, long time.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I checked. It was only 4th and 26.

        That one DID cost a Packer DC his job I believe.

      • John Doe

        I can’t remember a team blowing away so many opportunities to win. Here are the most glaring ones:

        1) Morgan Burnett sliding to the ground right there after INT on Julius Peppers’ instruction. Had he ran 10-15 yards the game was over.
        2) Bostick tried to be a hero on the on-side kick. Had he done his job the game was over.
        3) Clinton Dix whiffed on the 2 point conversion. Had he made that play, GB could have won with last second FG.

        The choke job by Green Bay Chokers is classic definition of shitting the bed.

        • BerwynBomber

          I would re-order your list: Bostick, Dix and Burnett in terms of the largest of sins. But yeah the Burnett thing was weird: I remember questioning why he didn’t run when there was a large amount of open space before him. They might have been able to kick an FG if he attempts to return that pick.

          EDIT: but now I see you were listing them chronoligically.

          • John Doe

            I agree with you. I was just going chronologically..

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, just noticed and edited my comment.

        • Big Mike

          Check the play calling on their last two drives. With about 7:30 to go they also went three and out and burned only about a minute off the clock. Then they stop and get the ball back with 5:03 and burn less than 2 minutes off the clock. If the Packers are one dimensional on offense they go from a great offense to slightly above average. One of those safe pass plays that seems to always get them 5 yards, would have won the ball game. Instead 3 straight runs.

          • John Doe

            3 straight runs and first two of those 3 runs Michael Bennett basically came untouched in the backfield and dropped Lacy for losses.

      • BillW

        Listening to post game rodgers clearly pissed at McCarthy. That had to have damaged his trust in him somewhat if not major

        • Big Mike

          Play calling was questions subtly and respectfully, but was questions at least twice.

      • Big Mike

        No way to bounce back from that. Doubt sets in. Regular season stops mattering. Here’s something I came across on NFL.com

        “As Packers players cleaned out their belonging in the locker room Monday, Pro Bowl left guard Josh Sitton took the morose a step further, saying he’d rather have missed the playoff altogether than lose in that fashion.”

        • BerwynBomber

          Yep. Has to shatter an organization’s psyche.

  • beninnorcal

    I knew this day would come this season where I’d say ‘Hey, where’s Cheesy?’

    (Crickets)

    • AlbertInTucson

      Like I’ve said. Troll.

      • CanadaBear

        No doubt Cheesy is a troll but a reasonable one. I avoided any interaction with him for years due to my stance on trolls but I finally broke down late this season. He knows football and other than the Bears suck post every time we play the Fudgies, I find him quite reasonable. When he comes back (and he will) I won’t give him any shit about the game.

  • beninnorcal

    And it’s sad for the Pack, as I was noting during the game yesterday, because Rodgers could be the best qb in my lifetime.

    • BerwynBomber

      When Rodgers is “on”, no one has ever played the position better — at least in my viewing lifetime. But he is still considerably behind guys like Brady and Manning in terms of a career.

      • Big Mike

        Rodgers in my opinion is the best QB. Brady challenges. Peyton clearly 3rd among this group in my eyes.

        • CanadaBear

          One thing that colors how we see Erin is how he owns us. He has so much confidence when he plays us there is never any hesitation in his game. When I see him against really good teams he seems a notch or two below that. From what I’ve seen he’s the best QB in my lifetime

          • Irish Sweetness

            Better than Joe Montana, really? I get that Rodgers is more athletic, but Joe Cool was Mr. Clutch. Four SBs, 3 SB MVPs. I’ve still got Joe ahead of Tom. And they all fall behind Otto in terms of achievement.

          • CanadaBear

            I’m going on the eye test. The rings are more about team than the individuals. Rodgers is always hitting guys in stride and doesn’t throw many picks. How many times have we seen him play almost perfect against us? A lot! Even when we had a good D he owned us. What happened to Jimmy Mac? I thought he was your GOAT?

    • SC Dave

      Overall, I have to agree. although the first three years of Kurt Warner were just mind-boggling.

  • BerwynBomber

    One last thing about the Cheese. I have always wondered if their fans view those Favre/Holmgren years somewhat like we do the Ditka years; that is, that they left some championships on the table.

    Obviously, they were upset by DEN that one year in the SB but from my fuzzy memory those Cheese teams seemed about the best in football for three or four years.

    Can’t say I have that feeling about these recent Cheese teams — seems more about wasting Rodgers than anything else — but those Favre/Holmgren teams seemed league-leading-like stout on both sides of the ball.

    • as much as I hate to say it, I think GB’s only going to get better the next 2-3 years. Lot of young talent on that team.

      • CanadaBear

        Thanks for getting rid of Nessman!

        • just needed the new coach hired. happened within 30 minutes of the news breaking.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Remember when Tom Brady was “washed up” back in about week 4 and (spoiled) Pats fans were calling for Garafolo?

  • John Doe

    Seattle may have legion of boom ready for Super Bowl. Hope they put up a beat down on Patriots. So tired of hearing about Brady and Bellichick.

    David J. Chao, MD @ProFootballDoc · 11m11 minutes ago

    More worried about EARL THOMAS shoulder than RICHARD SHERMAN elbow. http://shar.es/1bhhiV Both will play in regardless of MRI findings

    • BerwynBomber

      Weirdly, I find Brady more objectionable than Belichick, which I’m sure puts me in line with a whopping 3% of the NFL fan population.

      I actually like Belichick. But yes, go Seattle.

      • CanadaBear

        I don’t dislike Brady. His wife is a completely different story.

        • AlbertInTucson

          If the Seahawks are as generous on Feb 1 as they were yesterday, it won’t be pretty.

        • BerwynBomber

          I always thought early Brady got more praise than he deserved — those early Pats teams seemed more about their D than Brady — and that the true genius in NE is Belichick not Brady.

          But hey, mid-career/late-career Brady has been all he is cracked up to be and he will arguably go down as the winningest QB ever — no small thing of course.

          Who knows, discounting the obvious rivalry feelings, maybe my feelings about Brady are similar to yours about Rodgers. I’ve been tired of the media lovefest for years.

          • CanadaBear

            I find Brady genuine. I don’t feel that way about Erin. Erin learned 3 things watching Favre; the importance of ball security, how to suck up to the ref and how to suck up to the media. When Erin’s friend Ryan Braun beat a drug test on a technicality Erin gloated and shoved it in the fans’ faces. When Braun finally got exposed Erin acted all butt hurt and bashed Braun. I thought he looked bad both times.

          • BerwynBomber

            I mostly avoid the personalities of these guys (or give them a pass on it). Kinda why I never got on Cutty or Lach much (in that regard). The exception, for me, is when someone is so over the top and/or their personal history borders the criminal. BMarsh fits that bill for me. Tremendous player and competitor but as a person don’t believe I would care for the guy. A lot of BM’s stuff seems like an act.

          • CanadaBear

            BMarsh doesn’t bother me too much. I take what he says with a grain of salt. I kinda give him a pass because he’s clinically unstable.

          • Irish Sweetness

            ” the importance of ball security” .. .from Brett Favre ??
            336 interceptions, C-Bear. The next closest is 277 by George Blanda, he of the four decade career!

          • CanadaBear

            Come on Irish think about it. What lesson pounds home ball security like Favre’s INT’s. That was my point. He saw the Fudge go down in flames numerous times due to Favre’s INT’s.

        • willbest

          I never understood why if you were Tom Brady you wouldn’t marry a woman with a feminine frame and jaw line. Giselle does appear to have really great hair though.

          • BerwynBomber

            She makes $50M a year too.

          • willbest

            Do you honestly think he cares how much she makes?

          • BerwynBomber

            Do you honestly think I care? I was joking (though I did see she made that type of coin as supermodel, which surprised me).

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            He cares because she cares.

            But other than that not really.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I think Tom Brady cares that his marriage is worth $100M. I think he cares a lot. It’s the thing that drives everybody on this planet. The having of money.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Nah. Brady doesn’t care about that. Or, at least he cares less than others do.

            He’s doing the minimum he can do on the ‘superstar market’. He a middle class, self made man with average ego.

          • SC Dave

            I do. He knew she did not need him for his money.

          • SC Dave

            Yeah, there’s that.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I never understood why a QB gets married before he’s 40. But every one of these guys gets married ASAP, gives some girl the big ticket, and then hands over 50% once their appetite gets found out. Why?

        • AlbertInTucson

          I always thought Brady’s ex, Bridget Moynahan, was more attractive.

          She played Nicholas Cage’s wife in THE LORD OF WAR.

          • CanadaBear

            Yeah, me too. His wife has a great figure (and hair, as will pointed out) but I’ve never thought she was good looking. Everything I’ve ever read about her reinforces all the super model stereotypes.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Brady and Bellichick are proper beasts.

      What I like most about them is that
      1. Beady doesn’t have a QB Academy
      and
      2. Bellichick is obsessed with ST.

  • beninnorcal

    John Doe, Seattle’s going to get worked on in two weeks whether you like the Pats or not. After what we saw yesterday it won’t be close. Seahawks won’t be able to score enough to keep up. The injuries hurt them bad and in all the right places for Brady.

    Hats off to Barb ‘The Impaler’ he had the Pats going this far. They’re due, Seattle would be the luckiest team ever-ever to have a repeat of yesterday in AZ.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yeah, even though I will root for SEA, I don’t see it either. I think SEA losing that Richardson kid at WR hurt them more than imagined. And have to believe neither Sherman or Thomas will be at full strength. I could see it as a SB blowout in favor of NE, which seems to be peaking now.

      • John Doe

        You are underestimating Seattle D-line. They will give Brady a hard time all day and he won’t have the time to throw.

        Earl Thomas was still a factor after injury. Did you see the hit delivered on Lacy after the shoulder injury? And Brady will still be scared of Sherman.

        Good D wins and I will take Seattle D over Pats D. Seattle does not need traditional offense. They can do a lot with Lynch and those 1 or 2 WRs. And Wilson read option shit will give Belichick the fits. Rodgers beat him with his mobility.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      I had both of them going this far. I said at the beginning of the year that these 2 teams have the most depth in the NFL. You see it on ST and in situational football situations.

      • I jumped back and forth between SF and SEA against NE. Oops.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          NFC was difficult to predict.

        • BerwynBomber

          Never believed in SF because of their secondary TO and their injuries and suspensions. I thought SEA and Philly (yeah) would be the best teams in the NFC.

    • SC Dave

      The Patriots are one good early sack from losing.

  • John Doe

    Lot of good options for DC. Gym Shorts is still available. He knows NFC North well.

    Brad Biggs @BradBiggs · 1h1 hour ago

    #Bears GM Ryan Pace said team has not offered Vic Fangio a contract to be team’s defensive coordinator. Doesn’t mean interest is not there.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      There’s something fishy about this Vic Fangio situation.

      This guy might be the best DC in the NFL…doesn’t get HC interviews… and teams in desperate need for a DC don’t offer him a juicy contract while he’s in their head quarters looking for a job.

      Fucking NFL. It makes no sense.

      • John Doe

        Fangio is strange personality dude, it seems. 49ers passed him up. And then no contract offers from Bears and Washington. He was Washington’s top choice and they were trying to interview him since Jan 1 when 49ers refused to give them permission.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          It’s baffling.

          But this is the NFL. The majority of decision makers are clueless, so I’m not surprised all that much.

          He’s Top 3 DC in the NFL. These Worst 3 Defenses in the league (CHI and WAS) should pay him even if he’s uber strange.

          Who gives a fuck about his personality ? All I care is his Defense and his players production. Both are the real deal.

          • John Doe

            Scott Kacsmar @FO_ScottKacsmar · 2h2 hours ago
            Most games allowing 40+ points since 2012
            1. Colts – 10
            2. Bears/Titans/Raiders – 7
            5. Jags/Redskins – 6

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            And you let Vic Fangio leave your offices without a proper contract offer ?

            This guy didn’t even blink when he lost Patrick Willis, Navorro Bowman and Aldon Smith.

            PS: Raiders. I’m not blaming, but I’m not impressed either.

          • Irish Sweetness

            There could be a criminal case pending, we’re not privy to 99.99% of things.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            hah. No.

  • BerwynBomber

    Going to listen to a podcast replay of Foxy’s presser later but was Urlacher mention brought about by a direct question about #54?

    • John Doe

      No. Foxy brought it up on his own first and then got asked a follow up question.

      • BerwynBomber

        Hmmmm … interesting.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I find it rather disturbing.

        • John Doe

          John Fox buddy buddy with Jay Glazer.

          Brian Urlacher buddy buddy with Jay Glazer.

      • SC Dave

        Must have missed the early reference; I thought it was from the (sounded like Hispanic female) reporter.

  • “What do you look for in a QB?”
    “One that can win,” Fox.

    He then went on to diffuse it by saying that’s what he looks for in every position, but still…

    Fox also said he has yet to speak to Cutler and that he has to talk to him personally before he makes any decisions on the position. Echoed what Pace said: gotta know the player.

    Don’t see why. You got like 9 seasons of tape.

    And as Boomer Eisason once astutely observed, after you’re 5th year, you are who you are (with rare exceptions).

    • CanadaBear

      For the first time in his career Jay won’t be coddled. Everything I read says Fox is a straight shooter and a no BS coach that holds people accountable. Not saying that’s going to translate into a different Cutler but it can’t hurt.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        That being said and agreed…they should be a bit more positive and optimistic. Keep him or trade him you’ll want a better sell job of your asset.

        PS: By the way…Bears new Director of Pro personnel is also a ‘marketing’ guy like Pace. Somebody said i should be interested in this aspect when Pace was hired.

        • BerwynBomber

          NO carried a third-string development kid on their roster this year — Ryan Griffin out of Tulane. Had a similar year to Fales — practice squad, waived, cleared waivers brought back on the squad. Only difference was that Griffin was undrafted and a couple of years older. Wonder if he is a Pace guy. If so, wouldn’t be shocked if we hear his name somewhere down the road.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I doubt it.

          • Big Mike

            More than anything PE did, the Fales pick was just awful. There are no starting QBs to be found after the 6th round. (spare me the Tom Brady reference, it was a fluke). Pick up an OL or for god’s sake a frickin fullback.

          • CanadaBear

            The Fales pick in the 6th didn’t bother me too much because you don’t hit on a lot of those picks. Totally agree with you about a FB. Seeing Clutts playing for the Cowgirls was a pisser.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            you can’t judge that pick after the first year. he’s a QB, so it’s early.

          • Big Mike

            Yes I can. At best, the very best you can hope for is that he’s a cheap backup QB.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Well…hell yeah.

            A cheap competent backup QB saves you 1M a year, at least.

          • Big Mike

            at best. But a reserve OL saves you about 1/2 that and might actually compete for playing time.

          • BerwynBomber

            Sixth round is a roll of the dice with most players, regardless of position. Obviously QB is the biggest gamble but that is true no matter where they are drafted.

          • Big Mike

            Developing a QB takes so much of an organizations resources. It was a wasted pick. Again, I will say there are no QBs in the league starting with the exception of Brady, that weren’t drafted in the first 3-4 rounds. Might not even be any backups below that. That’s not just last year, I think you can go back 5-10 years.

            Made no sense. Draft a FB, an OL, or the fastest dude out there something, but not a QB.

          • willbest

            You are right that Brady (2000) and Hasselbeck (1998) appear to be exceptions that prove the rule in terms of franchise QB, but in the last 10 years…

            Brian Hoyer, Austin Davis – undrafted (there are probably more I am missing here)

            Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Flynn – 7th round

            Derek Anderson – 6th round

            So clearly, you can find yourself a competent backup in the 6/7/UFA arena. But many of those guys were starting by design. And quiet frankly, they turned out to be better options than Manziel, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, to say nothing of all the high cost 1-4 round failures.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Ryan Fitzpatrick is a good quarterback who has been in bad situations, we should be able to get him for like 10M a year after a trade.

          • Fitz for $10M? No way.
            He’ll get McCown mula at most.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            Romo was undrafted.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Actually, I agree with this. When you can get them in FA pre-packed, why bother drafting – unless you think you can get Joe Montana with your pick.

          • Big Mike

            Bears had so many other real needs where you can get a guy who will actually contribute. I don’t know, probably just my preference to draft as many of the big guys as possible.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Why was it awful? None of us knows what Fales is yet. He looked good in the little I saw of him, no way he can be written off yet when he was only on the field for a very short time.

          • Big Mike

            QBs are a pain in the ass. Nobody looks at the 6th round OL. The guy just shows up, learns his craft and then one day he’s in the lineup, on the bench, or on the practice squad, or gone. No drama.

      • I wonder if Fox will have the cajones to bench him if throws one of his patented killer INTs to a fat boy in the dwindling minutes in the red zone?

        I actually think we’re in a decent QB position. We’re not the Colts or SEA with an stud young QB (and even those guys make mistakes), but neither are we the Jets, or even the Raiders/Titans with young but unproven guys who tend to get exposed their sophomore campaigns (see Foles).

        SOME team might covet Cutler for a trade. We don’t have to reach for one in the draft, and have a decent position in the 2nd/3rd rd to get one to groom.

        Cutler’s contract is not as grim as some make it out. He’s going to cost like $15M in the cap, which is about right. Ppl get mad at him getting it front loaded, but it’s not as if we were ONE player away from a SB last year anyways.

        • CanadaBear

          Not sure if he’ll bench him for a bad pick (hope he does) but I’m quite certain if he publicly disrespects the coaches there will be ramifications.

          • Big Mike

            The fanboy in me is coming out. I want to say that Cutler’s rants last year were justified. But I can say it seems that Fox is equipped to deal with it far better than Tresticle

          • CanadaBear

            Lovie gave him a pass, too. I get Cutler’s anger directed towards Martz and not respecting Tice. Just don’t do it in public.

          • Big Mike

            Agreed. I hate myself for being such a sap. But I do love the Bears SMH.

          • willbest

            Tice couldn’t get the calls into him in time. Why in gods name he was allowed to call plays I will never know. The Cutler-Martz problem was the o-line couldn’t hold their own for 3 seconds.

          • CanadaBear

            Totally agree but keep the pissing matches in house.

          • willbest

            What rant did Cutler have last year? You mean the rumor he went rogue against New Orleans?

          • Big Mike

            You may have caught me there. But what I think is that any behind the scenes role that he played in the Halas Hall intrigue was justified because the situation was so crappy.

        • Irish Sweetness

          But why waste a 2nd/3rd rounder on a QB? We know they don’t come from those rounds, statistically.

          • Statistically, no “stud” QB exists at a certain spot/round.
            Theoritically, #1 overall, or top #10, but that’s not the case.
            It seems that a “stud” QB can be had nearly in every spot in the draft.

            Everyone points to Brady, but others have existed too. Romo (not a stud, but definitely better than a lot of #1s like Sanchez, Ponder, etc).

            Recently, Wilson and Carr (3rd and 2nd respectively). The Giants and Pats drafted QBs high recently even though they have entrenched starters there, so it just depends if a franchise believes in a certain prospect.

            The Titans might roll with Mettenburg, a 6th rounder, over possibly a top #5 Qb in this next draft, so you never know.

            It’s a lot about coaching, scheme, personnel, and yeah, some luck.
            If we’re optimistic about this new regime, then we gotta trust them to evaluate our next franchise QB.

            True, we need to fix that D, but a true franchise QB cures a lot of ills – a subpar Oline, receivers, rub – stays on the field, so less defense – as well as attracting top FAs, coaches and UFAs.

  • I will be interested in seeing what kinda guys Fox drafts at DT.
    As someone else pointed out, he prefers those Wilfork types, but we just drafted 2 young DTs back to back that fit a different mold. Does he draft another type early?

    I guess it will depend on who the DC is. If it’s Fangio, Fox might let him draft whomever, then you still have Pace in the mix and what his preference is (even though Pace has admitted he’s flexible).

    If it’s a young DC, Fox might take more control of the defensive roster.

    Lots of variables for the Bears this draft and season..

    • AlbertInTucson

      Wouldn’t ANYBODY like a Wilfork or two?

      • Big Mike

        So many positions to address.. so few draft picks.

        • Irish Sweetness

          And as much ire as it causes, that’s why guys like Matt have to get thrown into the mix. Who do we have that is worth a high pick? Do we need them now if we plan to win in three years?

          • Irish, NO GM will trade a 1st for Forte. NONE. Maybe not even a 2nd. 3rd? Perhaps.

            Keep in mind that Murray and AP will be FAs too. And it’s a better draft for HBs this year, with two possibly going in the first.

            Our only hope of getting fair return for Forte is if a play-off bound team loses their HB, and even then it will depend on a whole spectrum of factors.

          • CanadaBear

            I think he’s on his last year of his contract. That isn’t going to help in a trade.

          • Big Mike

            I’m not completely opposed to trading Forte for a first round pick, or multiple second round picks. Anything less, forget it. Trading Forte to stack up mid round picks might make sense, but I don’t support that move. Matt Forte is everything you want in a football player.

      • Lovie wouldn’t based on his inflexible defensive philo.
        Then again, Tommie Harris wasn’t shabby.

        • neither was Melton. or Tank Johnson. But Wilfork would have been a fantastic nose in Lovie’s D.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      DT might be the less important position to address on D .

      • Irish Sweetness

        It starts there for me. Your defense stems from its foundation – the DL – and the DL’s foundation are the tackles. We mention this a whole lot – we don’t need stellar names at DB if we can collapse the pocket quickly with our front four.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          Actually you need a front 8. Quality depth on DL is more important than the DT star.

          Plus, the Bears need a LB that can read an offense more than anything.

        • CanadaBear

          With all the 3-step drops the DL isn’t getting there. Either they knock down the pass or they don’t get there. We don’t have any sure things at LB or S. Draft the best player on the board that fits one of our many needs.

    • Irish Sweetness

      He can trade Ego and Sutton, nobody says we have to keep ’em. They’re young, too.

  • Just listened to Fox’s presser. Impression on presser…

    1. He strikes me as no-nonsense like Lovie.
    2. Unlike Lovie, he’s more affable, and a little more entertaining.
    3. I too was baffled by the term “human talent”, but perhaps I shouldn’t be growing up around coaches. They all have their little lingo. Every time anyone fucked up, our HC always used to refrain, “Could’ve been a hero, but you’re still a bum” then spit out his sunflower seeds.
    4. Almost every single new hire refers to the Bears “storied franchise”, and regardless of what fanboys think, most ppl in NFL circles respect the McCaskeys, and Fox acknowledged this as a factor.
    5. The QB scenario remains somewhat muddled in that, neither Pace nor Fox has publicly stated we have our “franchise QB”, then again, neither did Emery or Tresty at first. They both pointed to traits other than talent at the QB position, and I want to interpret that, but I’ll wait.
    6. I think fans will like Fox and be patient with him more than usual. He’s not Ditka, but he does come off as ‘blue collar’ and that typically buys a lil more patience with Bears’ fans.
    7. Have no idea about the Urlacher thing. I expect that to blow over politely.

    • Big Mike

      Re#3 simply a coach tic, agreed. I spent a season yelling “Player’s make plays”. 10 years later kid sees me, busts my balls about that and says “Coach, we all used to laugh at that and think to ourselves, who the fuck else is there?”

    • Big Mike

      Two theories on the Urlacher situation, I suspect that came from the matriarch herself, or was a George McCaskey thing they discussed during the interviews. It’s tough to have a guy that led the league in Jersey sales for multiple years, a future HOF, face of the franchise type guy have such an awkward exit, grinding his ax every time he gets a shot.

      • I think it’s more that Fox wants to reconnect to Chicago history, and that includes Urlacher. Also mentioned reaching out to Ditka, and name dropped Halas and the 85 Bears in his presser without prompting.

        • Big Mike

          Makes sense, but it’s all about restoring the franchise. Fans, media, players etc

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          How about Butkus, Dent, Hampton,………

          • I know, he couldn’t get to everybody, but several times he went out of his way to slip in bits about the franchise’s history. Even mentioned standing where Halas stood in his 30 second prepared statement.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            All good, but if want to reconnect to Chicago history there are tons of names on the list before Brian Urlacher.

            Come on, man.

          • CanadaBear

            Urlacher is still fairly current. The other guys are ancient history. Now that all of North America under the age of 30 has ADD no reason to bring up the other guys. Just look at all those idiotic Kanye West fans that were wondering why Kanye was wasting his time trying to help some old guy named Paul McCartney.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Because he’s current you should stay away.

          • CanadaBear

            Don’t agree but no big deal. #54 isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer and a little bit of love thrown his way would probably be enough for him to be back in the Bears family. That’s not a big deal but I think George (and probably Ginny) liked him a lot and didn’t like how PE handled the situation.

          • BerwynBomber

            Seemed a bit peculiar that Fox brought up Urlacher unbidden, and especially now that Urlacher is paid member of the media (or is he thru with that gig?).

            But I agree with your attitude. End of the day, not a big deal and more a positive than a negative.

          • CanadaBear

            He doesn’t have a full-time media gig. I think he does a lot of shows for brief bits but that’s all.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            PE handled the situation in the perfect manner.

            Bill Belichick does it the same way and if it’s good for him it’s good for me. Of course, he finds a true replacement shortly after… that’s another discussion for another day.

            Urlacher overplayed his value and status. Wanted a Cutler type of deal -wanted to be overpaid- and they sent him packing.

            If all PE’s decisions would have been similar he wouldn’t have been sacked. Get rid of Briggs, for example.

          • EnderWiggin

            You beat me to it. Perfect response.

          • EnderWiggin

            Actually, there is a shitton of Bear fans that have only been watching for 10-15 years. To them, Lach is there Butkus/Singletary.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I’ve been watching for less than 10, but I don’t see things in that manner.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I watched Samurai, and I’d take Brian over Samurai every time. Bri could do it all.

          • well, that’s an easy recent example that fans can connect to

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            That kind of gives it a PR feel.

          • Irish Sweetness

            How do we reconnect to Butkus, though? Most of what he did is illegal now. There was no single star on the ’85 defense anyway. Lac was IT on that team – there was nobody else. He was the man, and the way that all ended was messy and sad.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            It was messy and sad, because he made it messy and sad.

            Man… I don’t understand you guys.

          • CanadaBear

            Pretty sure Briggs, Peanut, Mike Brown and Tommie Harris might have something to say about that.

      • Trac

        You took the words out of my mouth on lach. He put the Bears D back on the map and got thrown out with the garbage. It was truly classless the way Emery tossed him aside. I totally get his Urlacher comment. Love that he chose to do that. The players will love him for those comments. Huge props to him for doing that.

        • Big Mike

          Explain that to Barb.. SMH.

          • Scott W.

            Barb’s personal attraction to Phil Emery is well documented. As is the fact that Emery was fired for fucking everything up, and shitting all over himself with the Trestman hire. He’s not even the punch line of a dumb Bears joke anymore. He’s just a mistake that was made, and rectified.

          • BearDown100393

            I think it is Jerry Lewis – France love affair kinda thing. Emery must be big stuff in Romania.

          • BerwynBomber

            Not entirely. PE also spent three years building the franchise around Cutty. Pace will most likely be digging out of that one for a couple/few years.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah, I didn’t mean rectified as in “cured”, I meant the bleeding has been staunched. There are still multiple surgeries ahead…

          • SC Dave

            btw, it’s stanched. Found out a few years back that I was using it wrong too.

            Kinda like how everyone uses “run the gauntlet”, when it is in fact “run the gantlet”.

          • Scott W.

            Well, crap, Dave. Thanks for the catch. Sucks being old. Now, I have to change the way I envision the word, let alone type it out. Off to check the pronunciation….

          • Scott W.

            Pronounced just like it’s spelled. Damn. All these years…

          • Irish Sweetness
          • Big Mike

            Bear Down.

          • Big Mike

            Hiring Trestman was an asshat move. I think is drafts were defensible not great. In my opinion, his drafts got better each year. Good riddance. Bears don’t need average drafts, they need to hit on a haul. An epic 1x course correction. In the early 80s the Bears were landing 2 top notch players from every draft. In fact starting in 1979 when they picked up Dan Hampton, the drafted a HOF player every other year.

            1980 Otis Wilson and Matt Suhey

            1981 they picked up Keith Van Horne and Mike Singletary
            1982 they picked up McMahon and Kurt Becker,
            But in 1983 they had a decade changing draft (6 starters)
            Jimbo Covert, Willie Gault, Mike Richardson, Dave Duerson, Tom Thayer, Richard Dent, Mark Bortz
            1984 they picked up Wilber Marshall and Ron Rivera..

            A sad note after that their drafts were horrible for about 10 years.

    • willbest

      Neither Fox nor Pace can address the QB situation until they have adequately studied it. Keep in mind they
      1) Need to bring an OC on board
      2) See what Cutlers trade value is
      3) Determine the availability of somebody like Sanchez, Hoyer, or other FA
      4) See what is available in the draft.

      You can’t read into their lack of endorsement as a condemnation. Perhaps they aren’t interested in answering the question
      Q: “In Jan you called Jay Cutler a franchise QB, what changed in the last 2 months?”

      A: “Well we didn’t want to hurt his trade value then”

      • willbest

        One other thing. There are also plenty of fans (near 50% if the poll is to be believed) that don’t really have an issue with Cutler, myself included. So if Pace/Fox bring in the next Christian Ponder we aren’t going to be particularly happy with that development.

        • BerwynBomber

          Well over 50% as I recall. BUT you cannot let your personnel decisions be guided primarily by public relations. Cubs did that for years regarding players like Sosa, Prior and Wood and look where it got them.

          Also, say the team cuts bait with Cutler and signs Ponder and they go 6-10 or 7-9. What are Cutler fans like yourself going to say (that doesn’t come off as names-on-the-back-of-the-jerseys-first guys)?

          • willbest

            Lets be clear, by cut bait you mean you are trading Cutler, because cutting him outright is completely unacceptable. It is beyond stupid to flush 15.5 million just so you can spend another $3 mil a year on Hoyer or $6-7 million on Sanchez.

            And what of it if they go 7-9 next year without Cutler? How did they do it? It certainly wasn’t with Ponder/Hoyer/fil-in-blank scoring 27 ppg. If it was with a punishing D allowing 18ppg, I saw Cutler win 11, 10, and go 7-3 in a partial season under those conditions.

          • Irish Sweetness

            If we go 7-9 without Cutler then we’re technically a better team. That’s an improvement.But we’re better off going 2-14 anyway until the roster is built. It’s about Superbowls – for me as a fan – I don’t care about records in the intervening years. Keeping Cutler makes no sense whatsoever. He’s not changing.

          • willbest

            Yes the goal is SB. But the teams that win SB, make the playoffs a lot.

        • SC Dave

          Unless he wins.

          • willbest

            If he wins, he won’t be the next Christian Ponder now will he?

        • Irish Sweetness

          You have no issues with Jay Cutler ? Accuracy, ball-security, intelligence/defensive reads/audibles … no issues ?

          • willbest

            See I can look at Romo, Rodgers, Peyton, Eli, Brady, Big Ben, Brees, Flacco, Rivers, Ryan, Wilson, and Luck, and I realize that none of them will ever be available for the Chicago Bears.

            Which means, Cutler is a top 5 QB in the world in which the Bears find themselves.

      • Irish Sweetness

        When Fox was asked about Cutler he quickly tugged at his right sleeve, before his answer. A tell. Cutler is gone as soon as a suitor is found.

        • willbest

          If you believe that then you have to believe Fox was lying when he said he hadn’t talked to Cutler yet.

          • Why does Fox need to talk to Cutler? Nearly a decade of tape should speak for itself.

            Fox must lie like every coach. He can’t just say, “Cutler’s a loser” then expect to get anything in a trade for him. It would also affect the draft. As long as others don’t know we’re looking for a new QB, they won’t try to jump us in the draft and steal our QB target.

          • willbest

            And a decade of tape shows that he is the 14th to 18th best QB in the league and the best QB available to the Bears in 2015 and probably 2016 as well. So its clearly in the best interest of the Bears to keep him around unless they are getting some serious draft currency for him or of course your interview of him indicates that he is a toxic player in the locker room, and unwilling to buy into your message.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Do we need an expensive average QB for the next two years versus rebuilding the roster. Methinks not.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    Fox to make things right with Brian Urlacher?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      You mean play him those $11 million over 2 years he reportedly wanted ?

      I don’t think he should be glorified for feeling insulted because the Bears offered him a 2M/year contract.

      PS: He made a little less money than Ray Lewis did while playing 3 years fewer.

      • willbest

        It helps to not have character issues.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          No rings… though.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Not yet, it would be cool to have him on the Bears as an LB coach, etc. and get a ring that way though.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Get me Vig Fangio at DC and make him bring in the 49ers LB coach.

            His name is Jim Leavitt.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Leavitt coached my Alma Mater…until he attacked one of his players.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            He surely evolved and got over these reactions when he first saw Navorro Bowman.

            At least he did it face to face and not in the media as Urlacher did with Cutler.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            For sure, I loved Leavitt, he got USF to #2 in the country with Matt Grothe at QB. We haven’t enjoyed that kind of success since.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            Please don’t give me College football. I don’t understand any of it.

            what I understand is that he did great. That’s not surprising looking at the job he did with Bowman and Aldon Smith the last 4 years and the fantastic work he did with Borland-Lynch-Lemonier in the place of Willis-Bowman-Aldon Smith.

            That’s coach of the year stuff for assistants right there.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          he dated Paris Hilton. i consider that a character issue.

          • willbest

            Wasn’t it Jenny McCarthy?

          • burntorangenavyblue

            I believe he dated both, nothing to brag about though

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            yes it was both

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            How do you feel anything running it up in those two? Must have a tree trunk for a penis.

          • BearDown100393

            Also a gross medical issue.

  • John Doe

    I think Chud would be a good option at OC..

    Adam Jahns @adamjahns · 4m4 minutes ago

    Source: #Bears have put in interview request for Rob Chudzinski for OC.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Tiger Woods surprises Lindsey Vonn at the finish line of her downhill race and gets a tooth knocked out by a video camera in the ensuing victory celebration.

    http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/12194491/tiger-woods-front-tooth-knocked-videographer-agent-says

    • toothless tiger

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Tooffleth tiger

        • CanadaBear

          Instead of tough and ruthless he’s now rough and toothless.

    • BearDown100393

      He should be used to it. After all, he took a 7 iron to his head on the driveway not that long ago.

    • Trac

      What time did this happen? Was it tooth hurty? Hahahaha

    • BerwynBomber

      Didn’t his ex Elin already take one out? Thought that was part of that immediate aftermath of her whupping his azz — Tigger having dental surgery a day or two later. Could be the same tooth.

  • John Doe

    Sun-Times Sports @suntimes_sports · 14m14 minutes ago
    As for Cutler, John Fox called him ‘Jake.’ That can’t bode well. #Bears http://bit.ly/1B9iTTd

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Jay Delhomme -> Payton Tebow -> Tim Manning-> Jake Cutler

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      reading to much into it.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      That is his first name………..don’t go down the rabbit hole trying to figure out everything that is said or written, just enjoy the moment

    • Thisguy_justsaid

      Haha

    • SC Dave

      A peccadillo, with some pathetic twat-drone trying to make a deal of it.

  • So what offensive masterminds are still left. Does Chud get anyone excited?
    Remember, the OC might determine Fox’s success more than anything else, much like the OC determined Lovie’s.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      Unless we’re talking about that awesomely bad 80’s movie, NO.

    • willbest

      Any OC that

      1) Doesn’t abandon the run unless down by more than 7 points per 8 minutes left in the game; So if you are down by 14 points, and its half time, you won’t abandon the run. But you can abandon the run if it is the 4th quarter, and you are down by 14 points.

      2) Beats the presnap penalties out of the offense

      3) Runs more than 10 different pass plays and 5 different run plays.

      will be fine by me.

      • SC Dave

        Can Cutler handle more than 15 plays?

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Chud runs a variant of the Air Coryell offense. It’s basically the Martz offense but it doesn’t completely neglect the TE.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Don Coryell was a great offensive mind.

    • Scott W.

      We’ll be okay regardless, I think. Fox wasn’t on my radar as a possibility, but he strikes me as a man who won’t try to outsmart himself (see Trestman, Marc), and he has a lot of pride in his work. I often wonder how he and Manning got along, but if Peyton is like his dad, then he’s humble enough to take direction from someone he respects.
      Shea and Jay – those are my big questions.

  • Thisguy_justsaid

    I hate 670thescore. Dudes are fuckin assholes to there callers.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      sa what happened when you called ?

      • Thisguy_justsaid

        Haha nah man not me but just been listening to hear reaction in Chicago. The whole time I’m listening these guys have treated every caller like shit.

        • BerwynBomber

          If it is Boers and Bernstein that is their shtick.

        • willbest

          Yeah B&B seem to screen out all their intelligent callers on purpose, I guess it prevents anybody from disturbing their point of view.

          I think right now though Spiegel and Mannelly are my favorite. It used to be Waddle and Silvy, but Silvy makes me want to punch him half the time these days.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            I (only) listen to Waddle & Silvy

          • AlbertInTucson

            It doesn’t matter when you can cut the caller off and then rebutt them, unchallenged, to your heart’s content.

            Debating is REALLY easy when the other podium is empty.

    • BearDown100393

      People who actually call sports radio shows are begging to be abused.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Using callers as filler & punching bags. The lowest form a radio life.

    • SC Dave

      And so you listen? And then post something on the internet admitting you did?

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        he probably called in. LMAO.

  • beninnorcal

    QUESTION:

    Someone below mentioned listening to a podcast of the presser today.

    Where might a dude like myself find a podcast like that?

    • CanadaBear

      Try chicagobears.com

      • WP4Life

        Just watched. Fox is pretty funny. Smart, tough, and a winner. Welcome John Fox to the Chicago Bears Nation.

      • Scott W.

        Hey Canada…first, RIP Mr. Don Harron. You made a lot of people laugh, and you represented your native country well.
        Second, what the heck ever happened to Rocket Ismael? Didn’t he run around the CFL for a while?
        Third, how’s the countryside? Still finding your peace there? I hope so.

        • CanadaBear

          Thanks! Not sure about Rocket. I emigrated to Canada in 2001 and until then was pretty unaware of all things Canadian. I knew when famous/semi-famous people were from here but that’s about it. Since 2001 I try to keep up with Canadian Culture. I love living here on Vancouver Island. The winter is rainy/cloudy most of the time but the temps are around 40 for a normal high and low 30’s for the normal low. When the sun comes out either the temps drop a bit or the day is awesome (around 50). The rain/cloud cover gets to my Beloved Bride but I just roll with it. Beats the hell out of shovelling snow, dealing with tons of ice and bitter temps. Calgary is a great city to make money (hub for oil and gas in Canada) but it’s very expensive and the weather is the pits. The wind howls more often than not and the only nice weather months you can count on are July/August/September/first half of October. How’s things in your neck of the woods?

          • Scott W.

            I’ve never been, but friends and family who have say Vancouver Island is awesome. All I’ve seen are the pictures they brought back. I never made it outta Toronto, so there’s a lot of Canada I’d still like to see. I’ve watched vids, and was entranced.
            We’re doing good here. Right now, as I type, the coyotes have my dogs all riled up. They’re out there howling back, rediscovering their inner wolf. Been a warm winter here – warmest I can ever remember. Waiting on the wife to get home from a long work trip. She has to drive an hour and half once she lands in an hour or so, so I’m crawling around the blog, and answering emails, etc., staying up so I can haul her luggage (and her, I imagine) outta the car and into the house.
            If I remember right, you said once you had a good view from your place. We’re on top of a ridge out here, but it’s all heavily wooded for miles and miles, so the view is a little restricted, but we love it.

          • CanadaBear

            I can’t remember where you live. Let me know. If you ever get the chance to see the Canadian Rockies you’d love it. If you land in Calgary you are 90 minutes from Banff. The Icefields Parkway runs from Lake Louise to Jasper. It is spectacular. I was a guide on bicycle tours one summer and was stoked to see the scenery every day. There are 4 national parks adjacent to each other (Banff, Jasper, Yoho, Kootenay). In Southern Alberta there is Waterton Lakes NP. It is the sister park to Glacier NP in Montana. Both parks are stunning. I’ve never been to Whistler but Cormonster swears it’s a great place to ski. The Island is awesome, esp if you like flowers. If you ever plan on coming here let me know. I’d be happy to take you around or share any info I have.

            Honestly this is the best part of the blog for me. Making connections with other Bears fans.

          • AlbertInTucson

            But remember, the Moose can be very belligerent.

          • Scott W.

            Moose riding during the rut is a sport just waiting to be discovered….

          • AlbertInTucson

            Oh, YEAH. Good luck with THAT!

          • AlbertInTucson

            I think a tourist, maybe in Banff a few years ago, thought they were “oh so cute”, got too close to a calf and promptly got stomped to death my Mama Moose.

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t remember any specific encounter but unfortunately stuff like that happens a lot. People go to Yellowstone (a fave) and try to pose with Bison. It used to be when you entered Yellowstone they gave you a pamphlet telling you to stay away from the wildlife and would have stats on how many people were injured or killed by the bison. For fuck’s sake, they’re about a ton and can run up to 30 mph. In Banff NP there is an organization that tries to protect the bears from the people. Whenever they hear of a traffic jam due to a bear sighting they go there and try to move the people along.

            Just a quick story. While doing the bike tours we had a group of Brits for the week. One particular loud mouth kept saying he wasn’t afraid of bears and they are more afraid of us than vice versa. One morning my brother-in-law and I are taking everyone for breakfast. On the shoulder of the road was the biggest Grizzly I’ve ever seen (easily 600 lbs). We stopped the van so everyone could get a pic. I mentioned to the loud mouth that since he’s not afraid of them why doesn’t he get out with everyone’s cameras and take some pics up close. Crickets.

          • Scott W.

            I’m in West Virginia, on 125 acres in the middle of semi-no where. It’s a lot prettier here than you see on the news when celebrities are chaining themselves to trees and coal companies are taking the top off of mountains (that all happens in the southern part of the state, I live north), and we have places like Cranberry Glades out East that are breathtaking.
            That said, none of it compares to the places you listed, several of which I’ve watched YouTube vids of.

            When I get my shot to travel, I’ll be headed your way. I really want to see it someday. Y’all have a lot to see, and I look forward to going into sensory overload. Heh!

          • CanadaBear

            I haven’t been in that area ever. I have to confess I haven’t been to the East Coast very often. I’ve been to Niagara Falls and Lake Placid on one trip and to Baltimore/Wash DC a couple of times and that’s about it. Other than a bunch of trips to Florida in the winter. I’ll have to check it out (on the internet).

          • Irish Sweetness

            Banff looks amazing, I have a friend from there.

      • beninnorcal

        Thanks Canada, I knew they had videos there, didn’t realize they had podcasts too

  • Bad year? I wonder if Pace will go GB draft strictly, continue being aggressive in FA, or somewhere inbetween.

    Profootballtalk suggests the Bucs could release RE Michael Johnson.
    Johnson signed a five-year, $43.75 million deal with the Bucs just last offseason, but the Bucs take the pay-as-you-go approach with contracts and could decide to part ways after a weak 2014 season. Johnson recorded just four sacks and finished 45th among 56 qualifiers in Pro Football Focus’ pass-rush productivity formula. The Bucs can save $7 million against the cap by cutting him.

    • willbest

      Isn’t the guy’s specialty evaluating pro talent? Why would he chop that hand off?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      That bum Lovie isn’t going to make himself a target and release him.

      He might get canned as they can’t be happy in Tampa after he already used 2 OC and he’s on to the third.

      That and his worst record than Schiano means he’s walking in dangerous waters.

  • Tom Clements for OC?

    The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports the Browns are interested in Packers OC Tom Clements for their offensive-coordinator vacancy.
    The Browns have yet to request permission to interview Clements, but the Packers don’t have to approve that request. We’re not sure why Clements would even want to leave Aaron Rodgers for offensive-coordinator hell Cleveland where they recycle play-callers on an annual basis. The Browns are going to have a tough time luring someone to that disaster of an offense that doesn’t have a quarterback and seems poised to dump its lone playmaking receiver in Josh Gordon. – Roto

    • BerwynBomber

      Did the Cheese can him?

      • I don’t think so, but sometimes coaches make collateral moves with a slightly bigger title for various purposes.

        • BerwynBomber

          He’s already OC for the Cheese, I believe.

          • Yes, but sometimes coaches make collateral moves with a slightly bigger title for various purposes.

          • Scott W.

            Yeah, I get all that, but why do coaches sometimes make collateral moves?

          • Well, like Kromer. He was the Oline coach at Saints, then became Oline coach here (a good one too, no matter what else).

            However, Trestman must’ve told him that he would have more powers than just an Oline coach, as in year 2 Kromer seemed to be more involved with playcalling, while that would never happen in NO with Payton.

            So they gave him Oline/HC assist title, thus it being technically a promotion, which can’t get blocked.

            The same situation could be unfolding with Clements, some coach gives him more power than he can have with current club in order to become a hot-commodity HC eventually.

            But that’s just one reason. Sometimes some coaches just want to move on for other reasons, like Marinelli.

          • Scott W.

            Gotcha.

          • he would call plays in CLE, while McCarthy does that in GB.

            But why would he go to Cleveland? Not likely, IMO.

          • As Rotoworld implied, going from Rodgers to Manziel would be a huge risk, unless he truly believes in Johhnny.

            Going from Rodgers to Cutler would be risky too though. Noone really knows how much longer Cutler will start for the Bears. most likely this season, maybe next, then his contract becomes very expendable.

            It is intriguing though if it happened. Basically, Cutler would be surrounded with three bosses who have been around Rodgers, Brees and Peyton.

          • BerwynBomber

            Going from Cutler to Manziel would be a huge risk. Rodgers is in another stratosphere.

            Yeah, I never bought the bad OC excuse in regard to Cuttty, except maybe with Tice, but a lot of Cutty fans were calling for Tice after Martz which was crazy.

          • It was mainly for Cutty’s self-preservation. The logic was – Tice is an Oline coach. He’ll obviously try to protect him. Tice also stated he would run the “duh-offense”, the implication being no more 7 step-drops with bum OTs, no more neglecting TEs, a real FB and run game, and AUDIBLES.

            So, the theory went, but it all went wrong.
            Tice was an Oline coach that thought he could fix anyone, and as such, didn’t seek to improve the talent (see Carimi, Webb, etc).

            Tice’s is “Duh-offense” was in fact so basic that other real coaches figured it out rather quickly to the point where Cutler didn’t believe in it, and we all know what happens when Cutty checks out (see Saints game)

            The TE was Kellen Davis.

            Audibles are in fact counter-productive for a nit-wit. You give picasso a blank canvas and paint – you give the rest of us mortals paint-by-numbers. Cutler looked best when limited from his own audibles under Martz, but at the time few thought that.

            26 turnover years have taught us otherwise.

          • willbest

            He looked the best in 2013. He looked his worst in 2014. It baffles the mind.

            Martz and Cutler did alright together. I blame Angelo for those years more than anybody else since the guy was unable to draft OTs nor was he interested in overpaying for a competent one. I guess you could argue that a good OC should be able to scheme the players he has, which Martz by evidence of neglecting Olsen and trying to get Jay killed on the 7 step drops didn’t. But there is no excuse for your O-line to be that bad for that long.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            But we had Manomoola and Pace!

          • Big Mike

            Coaches believe in their hearts they can make players better. It’s in their DNA. For coaches, It’s also not only about winning, its about the journey and climbing the ladder. As OC in GB, his career is stalled. He wants a shot at being a real offensive coordinator. The league knows what he’s dealing with. If he organizes 2-3 years of improvement up the rankings for his offense, he will be a hot HC candidate. Cleveland may only need to move up to average for that to happen.

          • Bear Down in Tampa

            Or his contract is up.

          • AlbertInTucson

            They need the collateral to get a loan.

  • John Doe

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 26m26 minutes ago

    RT “@JasonLaCanfora OL Coach Dave Magazu joining the Bears according to his son @swagazu11”

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 22m22 minutes ago

    Dave Magazu is actually a very good hire. Runs a zone blocking scheme and has produced top lines for 6 or so years. #Bears

    PRO BOWL PLAYERS COACHED (5):G Zane Beadles (2012), T Ryan Clady (2011-12), T Jordan Gross (2008), C Ryan Kalil (2009-10), G Louis Vasquez (2013).
    *as head coach, coordinator or primary position coach

    COACHING EXPERIENCE

    Denver Broncos
    Offensive Line 2011-14

    Carolina Panthers
    Offensive Line 2007-10
    Tight Ends 2003-06

    Boston College
    Offensive Line 1999-2002

    • willbest

      So he has basically been with Fox from the beginning of his NFL HC tenure.

      Interesting he isn’t getting a promotion this time with maybe getting a QB coach to do the actual playcalling.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Zone blocking. Score!

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      good hire.

    • Big Mike

      Shady, I don’t know how I feel about Fox migrating his past coaching staffs to Chicago. Does it breed complacency, or does it create a comfort zone that lets them hit the ground running. While recreating what he did in Carolina and Denver (with a slightly different ending) would be amazing, time doesn’t stand still. I’d like to see some new blood, new thoughts, new energy on the staff to charge everyone up and challenge the status quo.

      Or, not 🙂

  • Shady
  • Scott W.

    Finally watching the uncut version of Fox’s presser……

    What a difference. What a stark, refreshing difference from the one I watched 2 years ago…wow.

    “Human talent”? I don’t think Coach Fox is a big fan of MoneyBall.

    He’s not going to be the media clown that Rex Ryan is, but he’s going to be damned good to hear from after wins or losses. I think the roster is in for a real change. I don’t see John Fox praising their practices in some befuddled, lost-in-space way after a 30-point loss.

    And good on Ryan Pace. Great first move.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Maybe Pace is smart enough to not try and be TOO smart. Fortune seemed to smile on him. He gets the GM job and Fox falls into his lap. I did like Fox’s comment where he asked Pace a question and Pace said “John, I have been here 4 days longer than you.”

      • Scott W.

        “..smart enough to not try and be TOO smart…”

        Goodbye, Phil Emery. And good riddance.

      • Scott W.

        Al, you ever wandered out to Canyon de Chelly?

        • AlbertInTucson

          I have not. Never been to Sedona, either.

          I must, sheepishly, admit that I am NOT much of a traveller.

          Visited The Grand Canyon in 1964 and THAT was on family trip from Chicago on the way to Disneyland.

          Haven’t been to the GC since I moved here.

          Haven’t been to Nogales, (Mexico OR Arizona) in about 35 years.

          Made a lot of trips to Flagstaff when the daughter was in school at NAU.

          Been to Kingman once. Safford once. Bisbee & Tombstone a few times but not for years.

          • Scott W.

            If you ever decide to go, it’s worth the drive. Really it is. Go in the last of September, during the week. It will blow you away, and the tourists are gone.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I live in the Grand Canyon State but haven’t been to the Canyon since I moved here.

            I stand embarrased.

          • Thisguy_justsaid

            What about Yuma?

        • AlbertInTucson

          I DO , however, know it’s pronounced “Canyon De Shay”.

          Also that it is often the coldest spot in Arizona.

    • I read something from Mike Minter about what Fox did in his first meeting with the Panthers.

      He took over a team that had been 1-15 the year before. First words spoken to them were something along the lines of “You guys were 1-15 last year, and that got the coaches fired. But I know the real reasons you went 1-15 are still here in this room. It’s my job to find those reasons and weed them out.”

      Can you see Trestman doing that shit? I don’t love the Fox hire, but he will provide a return to respectability at the very least.

      • Scott W.

        Yeah. At least.

      • Bender McLugh

        jesus Johnny you don’t love the Fox hire? for reals?

        • John Doe

          Not as fancy as Quinn??

        • I think it’s all relative.
          Excited. Harbs, the Chin, resurrected Halas
          Quasi-boner like seeing late night cable: Quinn-Fox-Ryan-Toub

          It really was the best of the given situation, esp since the other top notch coaches were scooped or rumored to be scooped, but Fox does come with certain drawbacks –

        • nope. I wanted them to swing for the fences for a guy who can be here for 10-15 years if he works out. Atlanta got my ideal HC/OC combo (Quinn/Shanahan).

          Fox is a safer hire, but has less upside than that, IMO. I’ve already said I don’t think he wins a division title or SB in Chicago. But he will return the franchise to respectability, so hopefully he sets it up for the next guy.

          My reasoning: Fox is 60. Very few coach past 65, so he’ll likely be here 5 years, tops. As long as Rodgers is healthy for the next 5 years, GB is winning the division every year. Unless Rodgers gets hurt and misses a good chunk of the year, Chicago isn’t winning the division any time soon.

          As to the SB, the Bears are at least a couple years away from that. Realistically won’t come with Cutler, but he’s here (and should be) for the next 2-3 years. Will take years of good drafting to get to the point where CHI is a legitimate Super Bowl contender, especially with GB and SEA set up in the NFC to be so strong for the next several years.

      • Big Mike

        I see you trying to get on board with it man. It’s the best move. We have a grown man as a coach.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Didn’t Accorsi line these guys up and George i.e. TED hired him? Wasn’t Pace’s job really just to go to Denver and then introduce Fox at the presser?

      • Big Mike

        We’ll never really know. Could have been a set up from the get go. Could have been the youngster hauled in the big fish.

        Either way a great turn of events. When the dust settles, we will realize that the Bears got the best HC available. I also believe he is the best HC by a large margin. He’s better than all the guys with HC experience, and I don’t even put a first year HC in the race.

      • CanadaBear

        I think Accorsi knew the scenario that was going to play out in Denver and had Pace prepared for it. Fox has to work with Pace. If he thought he was a glorified gopher for Ted and George he wouldn’t have come to Chicago.

    • Big Mike

      or growing the man. or “it’s a process”

  • AlbertInTucson

    Aaron Rodgers: “WE’LL remember this for the rest of MY career.” Interesting phrasology.

    • Scott W.

      Nice catch Al.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Can’t take credit. heard it replayed several times on the radio. Maybe it’s just a slip of the tongue. Maybe it’s someone’s selfish nature sneaking out in frustration.

        • SC Dave

          Read whatever you want into it. The guy is out there having to talk about something like that, so whatever he says should be taken with a hefty dose of salt.

          • Bender McLugh

            fuck the pack!

          • BerwynBomber

            Yeah, I can’t get on Rodgers for anything he said in that presser. Surprised he was composed as he was and he pointed his thumb at himself even though that was almost entirely an ST and prevent D meltdown.

            Still, I think this haunts him and the Pack for years. That can be a loss from which a generation of teammates never recover.

    • Maddbearfan

      Thing is, Rodgers did his job..gimpy leg and twisted ankle..he did his job. It’s everyone else that let him down. I feel bad for the guy…

      • Big Mike

        Like Aaron Rodgers, can’t feel bad for him. He’s a Packer.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Sherman picks Rodgers early and Rodgers never goes his way again, even after its obvious to everyone, including Stevie Wonder, that Sherman is playing with only one arm.

    • Big Mike

      In his press conference Aaron Rodgers said he wanted to go after him, didn’t get the chance because they “executed poorly”. In context it seemed to me to be a veiled reference to the stupidity of the play calling, run, run, run punt.

  • Scott W.

    Really enjoyed the presser. Noticed over at the 4-letter Bears Blog that Dickerson is already predicting fan disgust after Fox loses his first playoff game. But that’s Dickerson’s act. He’s a slightly more optimistic David Haugh.

    I really miss Kevin Siefert. Love to read his take on this.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Reporters should stick to reporting and get out of the predicting business.

      • Scott W.

        That rule died when Al Gore birthed the internet. Ratings/Readers/Ranters became all that mattered. Rules of journalism never meant to be even bruised let alone broken were promptly shot between the I’s.

      • willbest

        JD has moved into a hybrid reporter/pundit mode over the last 6-9 months. He is the go to guy to guest host when the regular talent takes a day off on ESPN 1000, and I believe he even hosted a weekly spot from 7-9pm Miller Lite Football or some such during the season.

    • AlbertInTucson

      At least Dickerson thinks Fox can GET them to the playoffs.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Dickerson knows his shit.

  • Big Mike

    Ian Rapoport
    ‏@RapSheet

    Here’s a wildcard: The #Browns recently interviewed ex-#Rams head coach Mike Martz for their offensive coordinator position, per 2 sources

    • willbest

      If we drafted an OT at #7, watching Martz run our offense now would be glorious. Although he would need to use Black Unicorn better than he did Greg Olsen.

      • Big Mike

        We traded Olsen because the TE in his scheme is not a focal point. Need more of a blocking TE. You wonder if he’s adaptable. Way more talent know than we had.

  • Big Mike

    Would anyone object to one of these Fullbacks. 🙂

    Jalston Fowler Alabama 6004 245 4.77
    Mark Weisman (RB) Iowa 5116 235 4.59
    Trayion Durham (RB) Kent State 6002 250 4.55
    Zach Zwinak (RB) Penn State 6006 240 4.55

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    John Fox has a defensive background. But he is a HEAD coach. The offense and defense both run through him.
    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Heard back from source re: Kyle Shanahan. Shanny going Atlanta for major reason: “autonomy”. Quinn is going to let him run half that team.

    If this is true it might share some light on what happened in Denver. He didn’t have that kind of control… on Offense more than anything.
    I don’t know how I feel about this scenario. If it cost the Bears a chance to bring in Kyle Shanahan and Vic Fangio it might make me very jittery.

    Fox does have an excellent history from a coordinators point of view, so he’s gained a lot of trust, but still… my thinking is ‘you get the best on the market and have the HC adapt to the situation’.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Conjecture on why he left at this point isn’t relative. Simply put Fox is still the very best choice compared to what was/is available. Will he take the Bears to the big show…who knows but he does have a great history of pulling bottom or the barrel teams into solid contenders in short periods of time. After the PC yesterday, a lot of doubts should be erased..not all but a lot.

  • John Doe

    Fangio update.. Dennis Allen joins Saints as an assistant to Rob Ryan. No longer available for Bears DC.

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 10h10 hours ago

    I feel confident in saying that I don’t think Fangio ends up in Washington. I will leave the rest up for you guys to determine. #Bears

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 9h9 hours ago

    There’s a good chance that Vic Fangio will become the #Bears DC in the coming days. Things can change but I’m optimistic.

    Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 8h8 hours ago

    If the #Bears end up pulling off Fangio, it will be an absolute testament to the duo of Fox & Pace. Been a very lengthy process.

    • John Doe

      Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 8m8 minutes ago

      From what I’m told, there is still a lot of confidence regarding the #Bears and Fangio. Things can always change but it looks good.

      Aaron Leming @AaronLemingNFL · 7m7 minutes ago

      Another indicator that a deal could be close w Fangio: Allen’s deal w the #Saints. Have to imagine he would have taken DC w/ Fox over NO’s.

      • willbest

        So does that mean we are going to be a 3-4 next year.

    • Big Mike

      Vic Fangio Bears new DC

      • BillW

        Official???

        • CanadaBear

          YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • GPLDAN

    So I see Cheesy has not shown up (at least under that moniker) to take his hits on DBB for that choke.

    That’s typical. He loves to come here and troll us and has been doing so since the ChicagoNow days, but when the Pack fold, he goes and hides.

    Classless but true. Factor it in to all future trolls.

    Oh and Rodgers went on about aggression and play calling. Little trouble in cheeseville between Rodgers and McCarthy perhaps? Hey Aaron, nobody was gonna trade you if you checked out of those plays.

    • CanadaBear

      Do you really think Cheesy is that bad? Other than the Bears suck post every time we play them he’s OK. Compared to mad max and a few other loons, he’s just another fan from another team.

      • GPLDAN

        No he has a lot of good posts, and when the bandwagon winds blow around here he never jumps on.

        But he absolutely spot on refuses to show up after the Pack blow it or play badly. This is the most humiliating loss in Pack history, arguably. It’s classless to not show up after trolling us for YEARS.

        • BillW

          I look forward to getting an honest perspective from him. but frankly I think it’s smart of him to let things settle before coming in here. Without a doubt that had to hurt bad. And he may not trust himself to keep it classy – there are sure a lot of stones he can throw our way.

          Then again, maybe he’s chicken-shit (just kidding)

          • Johnnywad

            Kidding aside ……he’s chicken shit. (Now is no time to go soft Bill. This is where we kick dirt on the corpse.)

          • BillW

            I like Cheesy. He hates the Bears and respects the rivalry, like I was always taught (from the opposite viewpoint).

            Hell, their are Bears fans here that call other Bear fans far worse. Of course, that’s in the family, brotherly stuff so to speak.

            But to be honest, I am to some extent hoping some Cheese fan acknowledges McCarthy is ordinary at best – Lovie like even. And Rodgers hurt his team big time by not checking out of McCarthy’s calls.

        • CanadaBear

          I get that but just can’t work up much animosity for the guy.

    • BillW

      “Hey Aaron, nobody was gonna trade you if you checked out of those plays.”

      My thoughts exactly. What a fool. He slipped down SEVERAL notches in the GOAT discussion. In fact, the more I’ve been thinking about it, that performance – and his press conference – takes him out of the discussion completely.

      Most accurate passer I’ve ever seen. Always makes the right decision it seems. But apparently he has zero audible skills. And I’d add his leadership ability is now somewhat in question due to that.

      LEAD your team to victory – don’t fall back and blame the play calling.

      Doesn’t sound like he will R-E-L-A-X much this off season.

  • GPLDAN

    Several of you have expressed low interest in a Seahawk-Pats SB.

    I don’t know why. This is a grudge match. This game is going to be personal, and vicious. You don’t think Carroll wants payback for how he was treated with the Pats?

    This game means EVERYTHING to Bellicheat and Brady to seal the legacy. Here comes the David the stone thrower ready to knock Goliath the fuck out. He takes out Manning and seals Manning’s legacy. Now he’s up against Brady? Old guard vs. new?

    The Pats have enough defense to hold down the run game of Seattle.

    It’s going to be a war. Expect trick plays, dirty pool and real animosity. Maybe it ends up a blowout, but I really don’t think so.

  • Big Mike

    Vic Fangio new Bears DC

    • willbest

      3-4 here we come?

      • Big Mike

        These are smart football men. They won’t be foolish with what we have. I think they will assess if they can get there from here. I saw the redskins go to a 3-4 based on the preference of the DC. They were terrible. Went from a very good defense to blah..

        • willbest

          Yes well, in the Bears case we don’t have any LBs or safeties, so its not exactly like we would be destroying an established defense.

          • Big Mike

            I almost posted that… Have to work with what you have.. oh wait, we don’t have anything. Carry on. I think what stopped me is I really like the direction of our D-line. I thought it was the one strong unit. A lot of people will disagree, but I’ll take on that argument. I watched the dline very closely.

          • Johnnywad

            I think they’re an elite edge guy away from being very scary.

          • willbest

            It was my observation they were a couple LBs and a safety away from being very scary. I don’t know how many times Allen/Young were denied the sack at the 2.1 second mark. You can’t really ask more than that from you d-line

          • Johnnywad

            I meant just the line

          • Johnnywad

            But I get your thought

    • BillW

      Official??? (Double posted) but I’m excited.

    • John Doe

      Yay!!!

      Great start by John Fox and Ryan Pace duo. They absolutely got the best DC out there. And made good enough impression on Fangio that he turned down more money from Snyder.

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        best DC out there indeed. Top 3 overall, no doubt.

    • Bear Down in Tampa

      Just saw, starting to get my Bears boner back…let’s reel in Chudzinski and finish this thing.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      It’s official !!!???

      This is the best move any Bears Head Coach-GM has made in the past 10 years.

      Vic Fangio is a beast.
      I hope they bring in a ton of the 49ers assistants…with Jim Leavitt a key piece in the role of LB coach.

      • i’m sorry for your loss, barb. i know you wanted fangio as HC. his being a lowly DC must be killing you.

        also, i hope he’s not a beast in the emery mold. 😉

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I think Fox HC with Fangio DC might be a better option than Vic Fangio HC.

          Even if he’s my favorite coordinator after Josh McDaniels and Dave Toub I’ll go with a experienced HC every time.

          PS: I probably was the user on the blog that most criticized Emery in his last 2 years on the job. And I said he’s a ‘potential GM beast’.

      • Big Mike

        Not that sports Mocker is a journalistic benchmark, but they aren’t random bloggers either. Quite a few other respected sources with the call.

        http://sportsmockery.com/2015/01/chicago-bears-land-huge-fish-defensive-coordinator-vic-fangio/

      • John Doe

        Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 9m9 minutes ago

        I would expect Ed Donatell to be joining Fangio in Chicago as DB coach. They are close and did great work together in San Francisco

        Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 8m8 minutes ago

        Nothing official on Donatell yet. He and Fangio have talked about working together again. We’ll see where that goes

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          They said Ed Donatell might be the only assistant Tomsula would keep.

          I want Ed Donatell (DBs) and Jim Leavitt (DL) badly.

          As DL coach Paul Pasqualoni or Pepper Johnson (he might be going to Dallas)

          • Johnnywad

            You will now stand before DaBlog and admit you were wrong about the Accorsi hiring and the necessity of Ted Phillips disappearance in order for the Bears to get this right. Take it like a man.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            LOL

          • BillW

            as Steven Wright said, you can’t have everything. (Because where would you put all of it?)

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            in my warehouse… Asia.

          • John Doe

            Confirmed..

            Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 4m4 minutes ago

            Former #49ers secondary coach Ed Donatell is expected to join new #Bears defensive coordinator Vic Fangio in Chicago, source said.

    • BillW

      Google Vic Fangio and the sidebar already has him listed as DC of the Bears; right next to an article saying he and Donatell could be going to Washington!

      (On a PC, probably not on a phone or tablet).

      Well done, Mr. Fox!

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Vic Fangio is 4-0 against Rodgers… 2-0 home and 2-0 away.

    In each of the 4 games they limited him to less passing yards than Alex Smith or Colin Kaepernick.

    PS: The Bears play NFC West and AFC West. That’s Fox’s ex division and Fangio’s ex division. And they played each other this season.

    So Fox and Fangio played 2 times against their division and 1 time the other’s division.

    That’s 3 games experience against 8 Bears opponents from next year. It’s scouting paradise.

    • BillW

      Say it –
      The Accorsi move was correct
      Ted obviously has nothing to do with football moves
      The Bears are doing this right

      then repeat…

      (good call on wanting Fangio Barb!)

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        You have this the wrong way. This post is very basic and childish.

        Usually I’m more than glad to give back some shots, but I’m way to excited for the Fangio hire to be ‘trigger happy’

  • BillW

    Time for a new thread I feel. C,mon Jeff.

    • BillW

      “My level of excitement for the 2015 Chicago Bears is borderline insane considering where I was a month ago.”

      Me too! Way to make an old man happy, Virginia!

      (You can go anywhere you want with that one.)

    • BillW

      And indeed there is

  • CanadaBear

    Gotta give it up to Fangio for doing the smart thing. You know Napoleon offered way more money. That’s what he does (besides meddle, act like a petulant child and treat underlings like shit).

  • CanadaBear

    New thread!

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