• Cormonster

    Johnny the Fox sounds good to me.

  • beninnorcal

    I thought I had the honor of breaking this exciting news this morning but here we are, still waiting. Stupid Score, I’ll never trust those pricks again, not that I ever should have.

    • BillW

      Yeah. Bogus report apparently. Just a guy guessing and trying to be first to build credibility

      • DaBearsBlog

        The Score is accurate 1 out of every 25 times. And when they are “accurate” it is because they report something vague. They are NEVER accurate on concrete, timely information.

        • burntorangenavyblue

          The Score in the morning isn’t bad, but in the afternoon? I cannot believe how they talk and treat their listeners and callers…I know that nothing about it should surprise me anymore but my gosh the belittlement that they dish out to callers is almost unethical for getting paid to talk about sports.

          • beninnorcal

            Totally agree. Morning dudes are way better. You can tell the afternoon people screen the calls and select only the dumbest callers. I guess they do this to make themselves seem more knowledgeable? They just end up sounding like arrogant dicks.

          • burntorangenavyblue

            It baffles me when you see that the entire production can be a part of something such as that show, let alone the parent station being okay with that product being aired on the waves like that

          • burntorangenavyblue

            I’m starting to wonder if this is the reason why I come home from work all shitty and angry….listening to the afternoon Score crew when driving home only when the ESPN crew is on commercial…guilty as charged

          • Scharfinator

            I imagine it is just a huge circle jerk in that office, perpetuating the hobnobbery and talking down to their customers.

        • SC Dave

          The most shocking part of this whole discussion is that anyone gives a shit. Why waste your time listening to weasel-like wankers?

          Thanks to Jeff providing this forum, we can come here and get all the speculation, guesswork, and false reports imaginable. And for the most part, far more articulately and (I repeat for the *most part*) less condescendingly than most other places.

  • BearDown100393

    What did Fox say?

    • beninnorcal

      The Fox said that that is the worst song ever created and that he is much dumber for having listened to it and seen the video.
      And I completely agree with what the Fox said. It’s terrible.

      • Bender McLugh

        you’re my guardian angel

        • SC Dave

          This! I won’t be bothering with it.

  • Scott W.

    Hey folks. I think you are all right at this point. Yes, I wanted TOUB. Yes, I know John Doe doesn’t get it.
    Ah, but if a different coach must be hired in lieu of my 1st (really only) choice, we could do a lot worse than John Fox. Lots worse.
    I so badly want to stop being mediocre on our best Sunday.
    Oh, and Bill W? I thoroughly enjoyed your math analysis in the other thread. Standing O for that one man.

    • BillW

      Geez. I must be posting too much. Not sure what math analysis you’re referring to.

      • Scott W.

        32 years for each team to win one, etc. ..

        • Irish Sweetness

          I never thought of it that way. Basic stats. That means we’re due one …. during Fox’s contract!

    • Doc Hamstring

      Hey, Fox might turn out well. But I don’t want to hire a guy because “we could do a lot worse.”

      Seriously, I’d rather take a risk on an unknown quantity than take the “safe” guy that “we could do a lot worse” than. The most appealing thing to me about Fox is that he might be a transitional guy, and his DC/OC might be the long-term good coach we want.

      • SC Dave

        Let’s hope so!

      • Scott W.

        Your OC/DC premise is a good one. Not one I’d considered.
        In theory, Fox gives Pace a chance to show dramatic, validating improvement without as much risk as an unknown, unproven candidate. That makes him pretty attractive.
        Also, back in his Carolina days, the Panthers and Bears seemed to have a strong relationship. Lots of players back and forth, etc.
        I think if he’s hired (and odds are very high he will be; think it was Chicago Elway caught him communicating with before season’s end? I do), he’ll be here 4 years tops as someone else postulated, and during those 48 months, “Hope and Change” will blanket Soldier Field.
        But you know what? John Doe’s reservations be damned, I think Toub would be the smarter hire.

  • beninnorcal

    Here’s what I think of Toub for those who ‘don’t get it’:
    Lovie wasn’t the best head coach we’ve had but he would never lose a game like the home-opener against the Bills. Lovie’s teams rarely lost to inferior teams just like they rarely beat superior teams. I wouldn’t say they were average, I would say his teams were slightly above average. Not sure of his exact record here but I’d bet he had a few more W’s than L’s.
    The reason Lovie’s teams were above average, in my humble opinion, was Toub’s ST’s unit. I say that because while our D was always above average under Lovie, our ST’s were consistently great. How many wins can you think of under Lovie were decided by ST’s?
    It’s been said many times here that Toub seemed to get the most out of players who weren’t looked at as the best on the team. That’s what a good coach does, you’d think it translates to HC.
    But I also understand going after a more proven HC, especially after the whole Trestman thingy.

    • burntorangenavyblue

      Toub is great at what he does but there’s no reason to keep on harping about it when he is not scheduled to have ANY interviews anywhere for a HC position….It’s about what we know thus far and Fox is by far the best candidate available that everyone knows about with some statistical history in that position. It is what the Bears need for now. Who knows maybe Fox will bring in Toub to groom him for eventual HC position after he retires?

      • beninnorcal

        Not harping, I’m all for the Fox hire if it happens. Was just explaining the Toub obsession that exists around here for the folks who ‘don’t get it’.
        At least my perspective of it. I like Toub.

        • Big Mike

          There are aspects of Toub’s resume that transfer. In order to be successful, He would need two very strong coordinators. Both of whom would have to be passed over to get a job. His best shot was for Lovie to win SB and have Marinelli and Smith groom him for the job. His best shot now is to be a position coordinator on defense and try to move up that way. This also means taking a step backwards on the coaching ladder. He’s not going to do it.

        • Professional Journal

          Toub is a very good coach and I like him, too. Like its been mentioned, he would need two very good coordinators with experience to help him out. The peculiar thing is DeCamillas was our Assistant HC the last couple of years while serving as ST and he was not nearly as good as Toub at doing their job.

          • really? DeC was AHC? on what merit? what has he done?

          • CanadaBear

            I think they added that phony title to get him from Dallas. On paper it was a promotion.

          • T’Challa

            Yes, and it was a major fail.

          • CanadaBear

            I don’t blame the Camel for the ST’s disaster as much as I blame PE. The Camel had nothing to work with after PE shipped out all the ST’ers on the roster.

          • T’Challa

            The Camel is not without blame, however. They had too many penalties and allowed some blocked kicks. Much like the other units, there were all kinds of dysfunction going on.

          • CanadaBear

            No doubt but how do you blame the penalties on the coach? How many times can you say, “If you can read his name don’t hit him”? I’m not beating the drum for him but he was dealt a really shitty hand. The bottom of our roster was filled with guys that had no field discipline. As far as the blocked kicks, guys were coming in unblocked. Pretty sure that wasn’t the design of the play. Also, it’s not like I put a stop watch on the new punter but he seemed too slow and deliberate.

          • Scharfinator

            I tend to agree. We weren’t overflowing with ST talent, nor is CamelAss. It’s like giving a masseuse a computer to build a house.

          • T’Challa

            Penalties show a lack of discipline. Discipline is a reflection of the coach. Consistently missing blocks is also a reflection of the coach. Going from being one of the best ST to one of the worst in the Camel’s first year is a direct reflection of the ST coach. And then in his 2nd year, his unit became even worse.

          • what a waste of a phony title.

    • Trac

      I dig your passion for Toub ben but it ain’t gonna happen. Nor should it. Dave Toub is a lightweight and I don’t think he’d be able to put together much of a coaching staff. .

      • Doc Hamstring

        Do you think it’s possible for Toub to come back to Chicago as ST coordinator?

        • Professional Journal

          Small chance right now. And if he did, he would also want the assistant HC title also. It would make his resume look so much better.

          • SC Dave

            I think a meaningless (for the Bears) title would be an okay concession if it was what Toub wanted to come back as ST coordinator. On the other hand, it is far more important what Pace and whomever becomes head coach wants than what we may or may not want.

          • T’Challa

            Yes, it is whether or not Pace/Fox (HC) wants Toub and values his expertise. By being a promotion, Toub should be able to leave KC if they were all interested in him coming to the Bears.

        • Trac

          Personally I’d love it but I think a clean break from the past would be refreshing.

        • Scott W.

          Not in a million years. He isn’t going to change cubicles for the same title.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Would you rather live in Kansas or Chicago?

          • Scott W.

            I get your meaning. None of the above is my answer.
            But, would be cool for him to move back, buy a dog and name it Toto, just so he could utter that well-worn phrase now and then.

      • Scott W.

        Bloody hell. A lightweight?
        Bullshit.

        • Trac

          He is a lightweight HC candidate. There is a reason no team interviewed him for HC this year. I’m going to agree to disagree with you Scott.

          • Scott W.

            Okay. This is hard. But the unvarnished truth is, you may well be right.
            I hate typing that. I really like him a lot as a coach (in case anyone was unaware), and it might be that I want him to be something he’s not.
            But I’m going to blindly cling to my delusions.

          • Trac

            Thanks for your honest post. Don’t get me wrong, I like Dave Tour.

  • Shady

    As long as we’re posting “fox” videos while we wait for an announcement…

    I could see George implementing this approach during the interview process.

  • Trac

    Today would be a great day to sign Mr. Fox. Yessir, I do believe so.

    • Scott W.

      I actually guessed there would be an announcement today from Halas Hall before I fell asleep last night. Then I broke out in sweat imagining,
      “Today, we are thrilled to introduce the new Head Coach of the Chicago Bears, Bob Villa. No one is better at fixing things than Bob, and Virginia never missed an episode when he talked about ‘Finishing’….”

      • CanadaBear

        Norm for DC.

  • BillW

    If he’s hired, do we call him Zorro?

    • SC Dave

      Were Fox to go to the Jets, or were Ryan our just-fired coach, I’d call him Socks.

  • GPLDAN

    I am sitting across the aisle from two 300 pound 50 something women on the train. They are discussing if Pace should be chasing Fox to Denver.

    You think I am making this up. I am not.

    • Bender McLugh

      get some digits!

    • Doc Hamstring

      What’s so unusual about that? Older big ladies knowing about football? They might’ve played, themselves.

    • DaMurph

      Trans gendered retired players?

  • Doc Hamstring

    I’m optimistic, but on the other hand, I don’t want to lionize Fox (heh) simply because he seems to be the best candidate left.

    Yeah, I’m bitter about not having Arians instead.

    So I hope either Pace gets Fox and some really good OC/DC hires as a package, or if he doesn’t get Fox, he’s got Plan B that works out even better.

    And I swear if Josh McDaniels or Mike Shanahan or Marrone are hired, I’ll just give up on the Bears until they’re gone.

    • Bears-4-Ever

      I’m just hoping this doesn’t suddenly go south and becomes yet another bust…

      • BillW

        Can’t link the article on my tablet but indications from trib are that Pace simply wants to get to know Fox a bit better. Hence he flew out to Denver to meet and talk

        Maybe he figures he’d get to know him better on fox’s home turf. If so great idea

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Here is a “fox” I’d rather see on the sidelines. We’d have to throw some desert sand down, but it could work.

    http://th03.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/304/5/8/the_desert_fox__erwin_rommel__by_mightygodofthunder-d5jkpvj.jpg

    • Scharfinator

      Hmm, he’d probably be implicated in a plot to impeach Goodell and forced to commit career suicide.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I believe Herr Field Marshall Rommel came LATE to the “We need to get rid of this Hitler Madman” party and got involved in one of the several asassination plots just in time for it to fail and he was forced blow his brains out to protect his family.

        • Scharfinator

          So, what I said? 😛

          Also, I thought it was cyanide capsule.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Yeah I think he took poison in the back seat of the car that came to get him. He was given the choice of that or be disgraced. If it wasn’t for his popularity he would have been on a meat-hook like the rest.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Well, considering Hitler came away crippled from the Valkyrie attempt, you can understand his concerns.

            And remember:

            “It’s not paranoia if they ARE trying to kill you.”

          • AlbertInTucson

            Yes, I believe it WAS, cyanide.

            Rommel on the sidelines?

            He might have trouble adjusting to the lack of Panzer Divisions at his disposal.

  • John Doe

    Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 19m19 minutes ago
    I may be crazy (possible) but I continue to hear the same refrain about #Bears GM Ryan Pace. He’s being very deliberate. Taking his time.

  • chipramsey

    I think the Bears may be waiting for Ryan Pace to talk to Dan Quinn when he is available on Monday. Pace wasn’t involved in the first interview. And, why isn’t anyone talking to former Falcons coach Mike Smith? I mean, no one has even brought his name up…

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Wow you are right! I forgot about Smith. He’s a very good coach. Hmmm…out of the two though I’d take Fox first.

    • AlbertInTucson

      So, you’re you expecting the Packers to defeat Quinn’s Seahawks Sunday to make him availalble to talk to the Bears?

      • Scharfinator

        Apparently he is available for interviews after the NFCC, win or lose.

      • willbest

        Due to the 2 week gap between the NFCC and the SB they are allowed to take second interviews (but not first) which is why George went to meet him and Gase during the bye week without a HC in place.

        • Johnnywad

          Precisely. And from what I understand, was the only reason they did it. It was not with the intent of hiring a coach prior to a GM despite what many thought to be the contrary. It was a very smart play with no down side.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Yesterday, Sirius NFL Radio said that in that case, Quinn is only available to teams that already interviewed him. Anybody else now has to wait until his team’s season is over. They also think he’ll land in Atlanta. Viable QB and Defense in need of his expertise.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    If the reports are true about Pace in Denver then I feel it maybe all but a done deal…the two (Pace & Fox) maybe talking about coaching spots for DC, ST etc. That being said, I don’t know why, but I trust this kid Pace to make the correct decision. If Fox doesn’t fit, then so be it. But Pace would NOT be in Denver if this wasn’t about 90% done. You don’t do that if your at 50/50.

  • chipramsey

    BTW, the report that Fox was taking the job was perpetuated by Bleacher Report, which I, as a sports talk professional find a weak source. No one else has said it was a done deal, including the bobbleheads from the four letter network. Just sayin’

    • Bears-4-Ever

      Yeah talk about destroying your creditably. I understand you might want to break the story in the hopes that what you are saying is going to pop that day…but yeah…not many are going to read the Bleacher Report the same way after yesterday.

      • GPLDAN

        BR was a total rag no better than TMZ or a gossip site. They knew they had a credibility gap so they hired Matt Bowen to run the football coverage.

        Under him, it’s considerably cleaned up it’s act. But probably still prone to go National Enquirer from time to time.

        • Scott W.

          My brother genuflects to the BR like it publishes from Mt. Sinai. I finally got him to quit texting me every paragraph that mentioned the Bears, but I had to get mean about it.

    • Scott W.

      Bowen used to be well-connected to the Bears admin. He probably still has sources there, but they may not be as high up the honey tree as days past.

    • BerwynBomber

      The same reporter — Jason Cole — also claimed the Bears were still intent on building the team around Cutler. When pressed on the claim, he asked what were the other alternatives. He also had to cut his interview short on the Score when his phone rang, which he said was his boss.

      I suspect in the end he will be right — Fox will be signed — but he came off as close to a moron.

    • Big Mike

      The fault is not with the Bleacher Report. It is with the people that retweeted out of context. The Bleacher Report never said he was hired. Their report was fairly vague.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    It’s Friday and I just don’t want to work…

    Trying to get motivated.

    • CanadaBear

      Like Todd Rundgren sings, “I don’t wanna work, I want to bang on the drum all day”. I’m retired so I’m much more upbeat than most!

      • Scott W.

        We had a local weatherman for the NBC affiliate here that played that song on the air every single Friday.

        • CanadaBear

          My ex-wife loved Todd Rundgren. Not a huge fan but I really liked that song. Back in the day he could really shred. He rarely did it but when he did it was shocking.

          • Scott W.

            He was at the top of his game back in my teen years, but I never paid much attention to him.
            This song is the only one he did that I like.

  • Viva

    Dave Toub for HC.

    I’m not sure I’ll have too many more opportunities before deal is inked.

    • Scott W.

      Still wearing the #2 jersey for this.

  • Big Mike

    Adam Schefter
    ‏@AdamSchefter

    4m4 minutes ago
    John Fox’s deal to become Bears HC is “all but done,” per sources. @JasonPhilCole reported Thursday that Fox would be hired in Chicago.

  • beninnorcal

    I don’t really trust this @JasonPhilCole much either anymore. But come on, where there’s smoke there’s usually fire. Hopefully we get some more definitive news soon, yesterday was long enough.

  • willbest

    I still don’t understand why Pace would be in Denver to negotiate the deal. That isn’t a good way to start off your relationship with a new HC.

    • Big Mike

      Oh for goodness sake, now this is a problem?

      • willbest

        When wasn’t it a problem?

        • Big Mike

          Being to aggressive to get the guy you want? If in fact that is what is going on, it should be applauded. There’s also the chance that this was all orchestrated, when Accorsi showed up.

          • Scharfinator

            Maybe this is all about making the tampering a little less evident.

            “Oh, he wasn’t sure, we had to talk somethings out, yadda yadda”

          • CanadaBear

            Basically this is a 2nd interview on Fox’s turf. With his resume he deserves the respect.

          • BillW

            Couldn’t have said it better. A very wise move on Pace’s part, probably suggested by Ernie or the Saints GM, or Sean

          • AlbertInTucson

            I believe this falls under the heading:

            “Screwing up my first major decision as Bears GM before the seat is warm would not be a good idea.”

          • Big Mike

            That theory had been tossed around a while back. The theory goes, He walked into Elway’s office and new he had this lined up. When it got a little heated, he was able to walk. Which is why the statement came out that this was a “mutual parting” odd language if Elway simply fired him. Fox immediately put word out that he was interested in coaching. Nobody else tried to line him up for an interview. When McCaskey announced that they weren’t positive who would get hired first, the coach or the GM, it could have been that they were just keeping the doors opened, or it could have been because they knew who both jobs were going to be filled by.

          • willbest

            There are any one of a dozen positive or negative reasons for Pace to be in Denver. I would rather know now, before the ink dries, than find out 2-3 years from now, when one of them ends up fired.

          • Scharfinator

            Does it matter whether we know? We won’t influence the decisions. It will happen one way or another. Our ignorance to those facts won’t affect anything.

            Other than our curiousity. =P

          • willbest

            Well if you get John Fox and Ryan Pace as BFFs then you can at least as a fan I can have some optimism. If their relationship starts strained then my optimism will be mainly hoping to avoid the complete disaster that was the end of this season.

    • CanadaBear

      Read this. It might put your mind at ease a little bit.

      http://www.csnchicago.com/bears/r-e-l-x-take-holdup-between-bears-and-john-fox

    • AlbertInTucson

      NFL Network says deal’s all but done.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Blogfather Tweet: Paterno family acting like NCAA decision somehow vindicates their father’s actions whilst a serial pedophile roamed his locker room is sick.”

    Bears new GM is hiring a Head Coach. so pardon me if I could care less about Penn State or Joe Paterno at this point in time.

    • AlbertInTucson

      BTW, the Pedophile is in prison and Jopa is dead. Let it go, already.

      • Scott W.

        That should never, ever just be “let go”.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Sorry,. We disagree.

          9/11 or Pearl Harbor? Yes. NEVER.

          But unless that ass-hole gets out of prison before he croaks or Joe Paterno comes back from the dead, I really don’t need to hear about the Penn State situation anymore.

          Did Blogfather think this was slow News Day for Bear Fans?

          • Scott W.

            Al, I always like your posts, no BS.
            You are really wrong on this one. We don’t disagree, you are out in the weeds.
            The damage caused there will last for generations. You referenced 2 events that resulted in thousands dying.
            Al, those victims and their families will carry the weight of this on their hearts and minds like a bale of needles. It will change people around them.
            This was enormous, Al.
            Think about it.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Sorry, I don’t know what more you’re expecting to get out of that besides The Perp in jail forever and dead JoPa with his coaching legacy forever stained by his lack of proper action in that scandal. That at least represents some closure.

            Unfortunately, what happened at Penn State is just a drop in the bucket when it comes to child abuse/exploltation in just THIS country let alone in rest of the world.

            In Arizona, the system for (supposedly) protecting children, Child Protective Services has been an absolute travesty.

            Our news depart all to often reports on at risk kids who’s situations had been reported but who wound dead anyway because reports were just piling up and not being investigated properly. Partly due to negligence, and partly due to being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of cases.

            It was SO bad that two years ago, the Governor had to SHUT THE AGENCY DOWN and start a new one. I’m not sure there’s been much improvement and if you know of a state with a GOOD record in Child Protective Services, feel free to let me know about it because I have major doubts that such an agency exists.

          • Scott W.

            On that we agree. Like any govt. Agency, there are people working in them that really care, a lot of burnouts, and too many autocrats.
            What I hope (not expect) is for the victims to not just be yesterday’s news.
            Too much damage. Way too much.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Blogfather tweet: “John Fox’s win-loss record as head coach is drastically swayed by one season: his final in Carolina w/Clausen, Matt Moore, Brian St. Pierre.”

    He couldn’t win with Brian St. Pierre?

    THE Brian St. Pierre?

    Having to go with your #3 QB for any length of time in this league should earn a guy a Mulligan.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Oh my! Al Sharpton is upset about the Oscar nominations!

    He wants an investigation!

    Yeah, right after you pony up your back taxes and pay the judgement you owe for the Tawana Brawely scam , Sharpie, you low-life, charlatan, scumbag.

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