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Audibles From the Long Snapper: Message From Sponsor, Around the League Tweets, Peter on Porter & More!

| December 1st, 2015

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A Note from 26Shirts.com

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Around the League We Go!

No Bears on Sunday meant football overload for me. And I have a lot to say. Ten things actually.

  • Can we all just agree that Matt Ryan stinks and move on? It really isn’t more complicated than that. How many crippling interceptions in big games, in big moments, does the guy have to throw?
  • Something is missing with Teddy Bridgewater. And I think Norv Turner knows it. Vikings are very lucky to have one of the greatest offensive coordinators in league history calling plays. He’s draining everything  out of a limited quarterback.
  • Mea culpa. I believed Rex Ryan would have learned from his Jets tenure and was walking into a perfect scenario in Buffalo. But the Bills have one major element holding them back: Rex.
  • Did you see the defensive holding call at the end of Oakland/Tennessee that cost the Titans the game? Neither did anybody else.
  • Mike Pereira was magnificent during Arizona/San Francisco game. He has become a voice of reason the commissioner should be listening to, pointing out each week how horrendous the officiating has been.
  • I have never seen anything like Odell Beckham Jr. Ever. He’s played 22 games in the league and I’ve seen enough to call his the best hands in NFL history.
  • How many people the Dolphins gonna fire in-season? Hard to watch Ryan Tannehill play quarterback yesterday and blame the guy calling plays.
  • Houston has allowed exactly 6 points in three of their last four games. 6!
  • My MVP voting right now, in order: Cam Newton, Tom Brady, JJ Watt, Adrian Peterson, Matt Hasselbeck. 
  • If the season ended today…!
AFC BYES: New England, Denver/Cincinnati
AFC WILDCARD GAMES: Houston at Cincinnati/Denver, Kansas City at Indianapolis
NFC BYES: Carolina, Arizona
NFC WILDCARD GAMES: Seahawks at Vikings, Packers at Redskins

Peter King on Tracy Porter

From this week’s MMQB:

What is it about Tracy Porter and crucial moments at ends of games and Super Bowl-winning quarterbacks? Porter, an afterthought free-agent signee of the Bears last spring, had two huge plays against Aaron Rodgers on Thanksgiving night. His history of big plays in big games against big passers:

When: 2009 NFC Championship Game—Saints vs. Vikings
Situation: Fourth Quarter, :19 left
Result: Porter picked off Brett Favre’s bad cross-field pass when a field goal could have won game. Saints win, 31-28, in overtime.

When: Super Bowl XLIV—Saints vs. Colts
Situation: Fourth quarter, 3:24 left
Result: Porter cut off Reggie Wayne, taking a Peyton Manning pick 74 yards for an insurance TD. Saints win, 31-17.

When: Opening Day 2012—Broncos vs. Steelers
Situation: Fourth quarter, 2:10 left
Result: In his first game as a Bronco, Porter’s pick-six of Ben Roethlisberger ensured a 31-19 win for Denver.

When: Thanksgiving Night 2015—Bears vs. Packers
Situation: Fourth quarter, 3:23 left
Result: Porter “got a gift,” Aaron Rodgers said, beating Davante Adams for the pick. And a few minutes later…

When: Thanksgiving Night 2015—Bears vs. Packers
Situation: Fourth quarter, :36 left
Result: Porter deflected what would have been the winning TD pass to James Jones. Bears win, 17-13.
Would be very surprised if the Bears don’t give Tracy Porter a multi-year deal before he’s able to enter free agency.

Bears Are…Favored!

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  • Trac

    Bears are always favored on da blog. Right?

    • Ososfan

      Haha you’re always on track, Trac.

    • they were until last season.
      Then, Jeff went dark, like when when Paul Giamattie slurped up all the spit wine in “Sideways”

      • Trac

        I’m fixing to put out the lights in Fresno this week. He he.

  • chitownproud85

    Bears. 🙂 So nice to see zero playoff talk in the column. Lets just worry about our boys getting a W at home this week – nothing is given! GET TO .500 boys, you’ve earned it! Oh and almost a week later, LOL@PACKERS

    • Big Mike

      F(%K the Packers, right on. Meaningful games in December, Arrow up. All we could have hoped for. Let’s not crap our pants and lose the momentum against SF.

      • chitownproud85

        All truth. Its fun to be a Bears fan, and I think we can all agree that just a year ago today, that thought would seem like a distant fantasy. While I dont expect them to win anything of significance this year(except our hearts), seasons like this have their own special place in a teams lore and in our memories. Enjoy it.

      • Irish Sweetness

        They held a really good team very close last week, but the Seahawks tore them apart.
        I certainly wouldn’t back the Bears -7, that has garbage-time TD for Boldin written all over it.

        • Big Mike

          Don’t care about the spread. Win is a win. Even when I bet, I’ve never bet the Bears. Fan is short for Fanatic. I had a streak in my life where I was betting a thousand a week. Won some lost some. Ask me how Chris Conte cost me $30,000.

    • Scharfinator

      Agreed. Let’s just enjoy each week. We haven’t been blown out yet and all of our losses have been close enough to want to watch.

      The wins have been squeakers – which often makes them better to watch.

    • Johnnywad

      I’m gonna do both. I am enjoying the hell out of each week. I’m also hopeful the Bears squeak into a WC spot. They’re not ready to win a championship, but even a first round playoff loss would be very valuable experience for this group.

      If I were a betting man, I’d say it’s about even money that the Packers, Falcons and Seahawks all lose this week while the Bears win. That happens, and they’re right in the thick of the race for the 6th seed.

      • Joist

        If you think there’s a 50-50 chance of that happening, I would advise you to put down a 4-game parlay, like, yesterday.

        • Johnnywad

          I gamble on horses and cards and do quite well with them. The injury component in football is far too big a factor for me to put money into it. Gambling on football is for crazy people. Particularly gambling on parlays. Damn near impossible to hit.

          But looking at the situation, Falcons, Packers, and Seahawks are all fading, and they’re all playing on the road against teams that are ascending. The Bears are playing the miserable Niners so that seems like a very plausible win. I won’t put any money into because anything can happen in an NFL game. But if ever a week lined up to help the Bears, this is it.

  • That Guy

    Tracy Porter is a guy the Bears should definitely lock up. We can’t turn over all 11 guys on defense.

    The team should probably look at extending Shea McClellin also (didn’t expect to see that one did you?). He’s been productive if unspectacular this year and he’ll be a good veteran presence on a defense that will have a lot of new bodies in the next few years. I don’t think he’ll get any worse, but if we wait to sign him he may get better (and more expensive). I think right now we can get a “team friendly” low cost deal to keep him. This deal would be cheap enough, incidentally, that it would not preclude looking for competition in the draft.

    As it stands, even with Porter and McClellin on the roster, we can still look for a cornerback and a middle linebacker in the draft. Porter/Fuller can be upgraded and Christian Jones has dissappeared.

    • BillW

      Been holding back saying this but Shea may be the second most significantly improved Bear if one says Cutler is first

      And maybe he’s the most improved considering where he started. Jays difference is more visible but he was always good though unreliable at times.

      Shea went from useless to useful. By definition that’s far more dramatic

      • Scharfinator

        I think the jury is still out on Shea. But, keeping in mind how much better our D has played as a whole, he has to be part of that improvement, right? …. right? I hope?

        • BillW

          As “That Guy” says he’s been productive. Considering how useless he was even early this year (the video of him literally running in circles comes to mind) that is a huge credit to both him and the coaches

      • Kyle Fuller. He was worse than Shea last year and is better than him this year.

        • BillW

          Good point. And similarly Kyle seemed lost early on (“turn your head!) and now seems solid.

          Common denominator obviously is coaching

          • Big Mike

            Wait, Coaching matters? STFU. 🙂 McClellan is basically a rookie at ILB. Year 2 is the biggest leap. He’ll have a year of actual experience to base his off season on. He’s actually been making tackles going forward instead of getting run over and chasing. Kyle Fuller getting better, (coaching), Finding Tracy Porter, Great GM. Callahan, who the f is that? oh wait we have a veteran coaching staff and a sharp GM that knows who to go and get. Can’t wait to see what they do with a ton of draft picks, Free Agency and the bonus 1st rounder that is Kyle Fullerton.

          • MB30SD

            Mike, watch the tape again maing. Rollerblades 90% of the time… and you know the hardest part of rollerblading right?

            We should keep him as a back up if the price is right (ham samich?) once we get a real ilb.

          • Big Mike

            You see what you want to. That’s what I think. What I’ve seen is a
            number of tackles where he drives the pile or the RB backwards. Yeah he
            still makes a lot of tackles from his back. No he isn’t near the standard of a Bears LB. I’ve watched the all 22. His progress has been significant. I didn’t say he made every tackle or even most tackles going forward, but he’s made some. 10%/20% I don’t know. But enough to be noticed. Position could still be upgraded that’s for sure. But I think ol’ chicken dinner has earned a 2nd contract this year. If not with the Bears, somewhere. He must be a helluva meeting room, locker room, practice guy. Because for all the noise about him being awful all the way up to adequate, coaching staffs keep him around. Next year will be the tell. Does this staff like him enough to offer a second contract? Whatever makes the Bears better, that’s my vote. Have a great day. Why are you up so early? Surf?

          • DaMurph

            He helps the ladies get out of his house! Hahaha

          • Big Mike

            What a gentleman.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Another year of tape to look at will certainly make him look a lot better. This is his third position on the team. I’ve always thought he should be where he is and he gets a couple of years to prove himself on a team that prides itself on its history of linebackers. It took Samurai a while to get it down, and he was really good at it.

          • Big Mike

            He’s certainly not the weak link on defense. Coaches love him. Defense got better when he came back. Bears fans have been spoiled with exceptional LB play. Besides the obvious, Butkus, Singletary, Urlacher, there has been Buffone, Marshall and Briggs. Mclellin, Jones will never compare. But I’d argue these 2 are considerably better than Urlacher in his last year and Briggs in his last year.

          • DaBearsBlog

            Will tell you one thing, Bears coaching staff doesn’t think Shea is a backup. They think he’s coming along.

          • he’s finally making some plays near the line of scrimmage, but those are all coming on the outside. Now he needs to start attacking the line of scrimmage on those inside runs instead of hitting guys 5 yards downfield.
            I’m fine with Shea starting, as long as he’s the lesser of your 2 ILB. Put him next to a rangy playmaker and that’s good.

          • MB30SD

            Put him up against a real imlb and see how long he’s the starter.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            attack the hole for fucks sake. attack. the. hole.

          • That’s what she said!

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            how did you beat MB to that?

          • MB’s getting soft.

            (That’s what she said!)

          • MB30SD

            that’s my usual motto!

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            they should give him mini pay bumps every time he moves towards the line of scrimmage instead of sideways, backwards or neutral. Good god, when I watch ILB’s across the league attack the holes like fucking assassins I get a bone. When I watch our guys let the linemen come to them I lose bone.

          • I think it was Chucky who observed that the middle LBs wait and react, which leaves them vulnerable to pulling linemen at the second level , instead of attacking the los. However, .i wonder if this is a coaching philo?
            Maybe less big plays ? How many 20+ runs have we permitted compared to the rest of the league?

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            ask Lacy, he was exhausted against us because every time he touched the ball he was 7 to 9yds and a cloud of dust/mud.

          • SC Dave

            This. And I’m inclined to believe they know more about it than any of us do.

          • Irish Sweetness
          • BillW

            I can’t see the vine at work but I assume it’s the “Shea running in circles” one.

            My “praise” of Shea is rather mild. I said he went from useless to useful. No more than that, but even that is impressive relatively speaking.

            We could use an upgrade there but first priority is a mean (in a good way) pass rusher in my opinion.

          • Big Mike

            When he was out with an injury, the defense suffered.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            I see that as an indictment of how awful our backups are.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Oh yeah, without a doubt. Seeing Houston’s resurgence is I’m sure in some way related to JJ Watt. You don’t have to score a lot if your defense only allows 6 points. They’re the kind of team that could get into a superbowl – stonewall D with the #1 receiver in the league at the moment.

            But with each victory we have from here on in, that pass rusher moves further away from us, and then you’re spending your first pick on a maybe guy. Shea isn’t woeful enough to warrant us drfting the top linebacker first.

            Get a rush on, absolutely. With our secondary, they’d all look so much better if we just had one Tommie Harris or Richard Dent.

          • MB30SD

            This

          • Ososfan

            I think the previous coaching staff messed him up a bit, he’s probably had to ‘re-learn to to productively play his position again……

      • DaCoaches Mustache

        Shea is still Shea. He’s not good. He’s been in the right spot for the most part but the next play he makes behind the line of scrimmage will be his first. Inside LB is why we are getting gashed in the run game. Shea and 59 react are consistently late to react.

        • That Guy

          When he was out with an injury, the defense suffered. He’s never going to be a star, but he holds down his job better than a lot of other free agents we can pick up. And all this while he learns a new position.

        • MB30SD

          Fucking coach!!!!

          How’s the wife… child?

        • MB30SD

          Oh, and so this.

          Absolutely clueless on all the Shae love on this fucking board. Smh

          • That Guy

            Its not love. He’s average. But average is pretty good when you’ve got so many holes to plug.

          • BillW

            Well, I guess that’s an example of a mother’s love. “see – it’s not useless after all!”

            That, plus delirium from beating the Packers.

          • MB30SD

            that’s what she said.

          • Trac

            I gotta go with Bill on this one MB. Take that! hahaha

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha… we’re good my brother. ; )

          • CanadaBear

            I’m OK if he sticks around as a backup or the #2 ILB but other than that, uh no.

          • MB30SD

            agree canada

        • Irish Sweetness

          That’s what Samurai preaches. You have to KNOW where the ball is going before the ball is snapped. You have to be moving to that point when it is. Shea is still in the process of having to think about everything. When he knows his job and the tendencies and looks of the offense, then he’ll react instantly – but he’ll need time to get there. He’ll be better next season. Kuechly’s a freak, the penny dropped for him in college.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Inside backer / nose tackle / DE, would be my top three picks. I wouldn’t ditch Shea, but neither is he Luke Keuchly, and that’s the kind of guy we need in Chicago. Shea can only improve with time, but how high is that ceiling? Timu could be anything, but it’s more likely good than bad based on his PS flashes. It might take Shea going down before we see him though.

      • That Guy

        I too would prefer to have a generational, first ballot HOF guy over Shea McClellan. But there might not be another Luke Keuchly in the draft before Shea retires.

  • That Guy

    Also, I almost never wear t-shirts. But I do think the “designer” t-shirt market is pretty cool.

  • BillW

    Didn’t hear Pereira this week. Can anyone sum up what Jeff is referring to?

    In a backwards way I think Carey on CBS makes a similar point. As Nantz pointed out, it’s a huge problem when officials (former or current) don’t interpret rules the same way.

  • The Yes Guy

    YES

  • I worry about giving too much $$ to Tracy Porter. Can’t invest much in guys who are always hurt (same applies to Zach Miller).

    • willbest

      I think he is also 31.. So ideally its a 3-year deal that is really a 1 year deal with a team option on years 2 and 3.

      • Yes, CBs start losing steps around 32-33 and become inj prone (see, Peanut).

        Perhaps one of the biggest benefits about Porter is what he imparts to the other CBs, esp Fuller.

        Porter has walked the walk, esp in big moments. Hopefully, some of that rubs off, esp the fucking Vadgers over.

    • That Guy

      Neither one of them is getting a big contract, but they’ll both do better than the league minimum.

    • Bender McLugh

      aren’t you still in timeout?

  • Big Mike

    Beat the 49ers. That’s all. Smack them in their faces and don’t let them up. The end.

    • chitownproud85

      Yes. The home games have been struggles and I’m not going to lie – as good as I feel, I cant look at this game, against an inferior opponent, on home soil, with a team that SHOULD be revved and ready to take the world by storm, and say “this is over before it starts”. Its not. You know how you get to .500? You win the same amount of games you lose. They have done that yet. You know how you build confidence from the inside AND out? Winning more than you lose. They havent done either yet. They have a lot to prove, but my money is on Da Bears doing just that. LETS GO

      • Big Mike

        Amen brother. If GB is going to be the signature win, the turning point and not a fluke, beating the 49ers is imperative. Winning 4 of 5 down the stretch is the stamp on this team that says 2016 we will be the real deal.

      • Big Mike

        Amen brother. Beating the 49ers stamps the Packers win. Going 4-1 or 5-0 to finish the season makes it the turning point in our return to glory !! More Kool Aid

        • Sactowns#1

          It tastes sooooo good!

  • BillW

    Getting WAY ahead of things but off-season is going to be exciting. I do worry about losing one or both of our coordinators.

    In the meantime, one game at a time. Sunday can now be considered a “trap” game and so it will be encouraging yet again to see Fox coach them up to avoid a let down from an understandably emotional win Thursday.

    As we await word on Jeffery’s inevitable bi-weekly injury.

    • Big Mike

      We’ll probably hear on Wednesday that Jeffery has injured some part of his lower body, in the locker room/practice/parking lot. Every time he plays, he becomes my all time favorite Bears WR, every week he’s out, I’m like F that guy… Life of a maniac fan… SMH

  • BillW

    In the prior thread I noted how much higher Cutler’s passer rating would have been had Wilson scored instead of down at the one. Then I thought that at least it improve the Bears red zone percent.

    But the Wilson pass came with the Bears at the 20.

    Question – is that the red zone, or is it INSIDE the 20?

    By the way – reviewing that drive, it was very impressive in execution and clock management. Unfortunately, the D could not keep GB from getting in FG range.

    • willbest

      I still didn’t understand why they didn’t just take the runoff. 2 timeouts and 25 seconds gives you a lot more versatility in play calls than 1 timeout and 35 seconds.

      • Scharfinator

        Heat of the moment? You highlight an interesting topic though.

        There are all sorts of stats and percentages that point towards the best choice in football situations yet we see coaches again and again go against the better choice. I think they either get caught up in the moment, or just don’t know at the time.

        Why don’t teams hire a stats guy? His whole job is to figure out tons of hypotheticals, the best choice involved, and to advise the coach. This guy flies with the team and is on the sidelines.

        Failing that, a company should hire out analysis for coaches and send contractors out to the teams. I should copyright that idea…

        • That Guy

          Jimmy Johnson created a draft chart a while back that everyone started using.

          When the NFL allowed 2 point conversions another well known coach (was it John Madden?) created a chart for when a team should go for 2 based on the score.

          Eventually a good coach will create a chart for clock issues that will make its way around the league. Until that happens, everyone will continue to go with their gut.

          As frustrating as it is, we don’t hire coaches for their clock management skills. We hire them for their play calling, their player development, for their leadership – lots of other stuff that is probably more important and harder to find.

          Still, I would think a guy like Chip Kelly or Bill Belicheck – guys that are known for their attention to details – would develop a system that work. Likewise for challenges

          • BillW

            That 2 point chart was like remedial math, from what I remember. All it did is say “does it put you within a TD/XP or FG. Never took into account how much time was left. Specifically it always assumed the other team wasn’t going to score again.

            Missing a 2 point conversion and then the other team scoring can make you regret you didn’t go for 1. You find yourself chasing that 1 point the rest of the game.

          • That Guy

            And yet everyone used the same chart.

          • BillW

            Which goes back to Scharf’s point. It’s not the info, it’s how you use it.

            The chart tells you for example the since they have 14 and you have 9 after a TD, go for 2 so the lead is 3 instead of 4.

            But what if you don’t get it and they later score a FG? Now it’s 17-9 instead of 17-10 and you have to get a TD and a 2 to tie, instead of a TD and a XP to tie (had you gone for 1 before).

            “But the chart said go for 2!”

      • BillW

        Refresh my memory. What triggered the choice of timeout vs runoff? Was there an injury on the play?

        I have the condensed video so I can’t tell. Plus I’m still really pissed that I lost the NFL Rewind benefit as a season ticket holder.

        The NFL charges $100 for that now!

        • willbest

          It was initially ruled a touchdown. It went to the replay booth and they overturned it. As he was down in the field of play, that triggered the 10 second run off plus clock start on referee signal.

          • BillW

            Ah – I missed that. Makes sense.

            I loved that Belichick got confused on the “excess timeout” thing. There was actually a rule he admitted not knowing.

  • willbest

    Defensive starts for next year – Fuller, Amos, Porter, Shea, Goldman, McPhee. At least one of Houston/Young will be on the team next year though probably neither will start. Ferguson as well

    • That Guy

      Sutton and Ferguson will still be on the team next year and will compete for playing time. But where we look to end up in the draft, I suspect the team will pick up another D-lineman to throw in the mix. But plenty of time for that after the season when we can actually look at the players who will be available in the draft.

      • CanadaBear

        Not so sure about Sutton. He was a healthy scratch last week.

        • That Guy

          He’s on a rookie deal. Teams usually don’t cut those guys so quickly. But maybe we trade him to a 4-3 team for one of their bad fit rookies.

          • CanadaBear

            Maybe but I’m not sure they find a trading partner. There isn’t a lot of positive tape on Sutton. I do like the fact the coaching staff doesn’t seem to favor anyone due to draft slot or history with the Beloved. Of course, it’s easy to launch guys from the previous regime.

      • They have a lot of young DL already. Goldman, Ferguson, Sutton, CornWash. I think they look in FA to add a proven veteran at 5T. Looking at needs (ILB, 5T, S, OLB), the best guys will hit the market at 5T (Von Miller isn’t going to hit the market).

        Sign the stud 5T from the Jets, add Bruce Irvin to play opposite McPhee (he’s a great fit there with his well-rounded game), look at ILB and S in the draft. Just my $0.02.

        • That Guy

          I was thinking pass rusher, but I suppose that’s not D-line anymore now that we’re a 3-4 team.

          We could also add competition for Goldman now that Ratliff has walked. That wouldn’t be a replacement for Goldman as much as Fergusson if we did it.

          • willbest

            Bears might be drafting over 15 at the rate they are going. Will be on the tier 2 OLB by then, going to end up with a better prospect at a different position.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            the tier 2 OLB’s from this past draft are fucking killing it.

          • If we’re at 15ish, best ilb, s should be available, and possibly NT And OG. 2Nd/3rd best OT/CB

    • MB30SD

      Hopefully Shae won’t be a starter next year, back up, great. We need a real Chicago imlb next year. We get a total stud there, and even the D this year would have been exponentially better

      • Scharfinator

        Usually when you are a total stud, your D gets better.

        THATS WHAT SHE SAID WOOo

        • MB30SD

          Hahaha, she does… and yes, that’s my point. We don’t have a stud there, we just have a guy.

          I still think Jones on the outside is the much better play. He is a stud, just needs to be put in the right spot… maybe where he played his entire college career?

          • SC Dave

            Gotta disagree on Jones. Just like I did on Bostic.

          • MB30SD

            understood and he def hasn’t played up to his potential… but to think shae is better than him?! Yikes.

      • Fangio from day one has praised Shea. Barring some unforeseen events, better get used to 50 calling that D

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          Do you really expect him to bad mouth Shea? Fangio needs him to play as hard as he can, because we have no one better at this time, that probably won’t happen if he is negative about him to the press. Shea still has a lot of work to do to be good.

          • willbest

            No doubt, but then he got injured, and they were talking about how getting him back on the field would help the situation. Meaning they clearly see him as a leader and their best ILB. You don’t jettison your best ILB. Now maybe he plays second fiddle to some rook or FA next year, but he is going to be on the field.

          • SC Dave

            This is a blog that consistently wanted to get rid of our best.offensive skill player, Matt Forte. For the first time in his career, you might argue that there is a better one (Cutler), but still…

          • That Guy

            I still don’t want to get rid of Forte, even with the emergence of Langford. I think there is room next year to keep them both.

            Shea is an even easier decision. We have one MLB right now and we play a defense that needs two on the field. Even if we draft the next Brian Urlacher in April, someone has to play next to him.

          • willbest

            Forte is showing his age this season. I don’t know how you bring him back unless its a team friendly deal or is loaded with active roster bonuses.

          • Irish Sweetness

            It’s probably about time to get over that Dave.

          • Bears could’ve easily got an ilb to start over Shea . They make no qualms about benching ‘stars’ for no names.
            But my feeling is that they saw his tape and saw potential right off tge bat and been starting him since. It wasn’t merely lip service.
            When Fuller was struggling they didn’t mince words, and when Vereen sucked, they cut him.
            This coaching staff is no nonsense. They don’t really coddle players to build up their selfesteem.
            Apparently, they only lie about the inj reports

          • SC Dave

            He also needs someone that he believes is smart enough to run his defense on the field, and I’d bet THAT has a lot more to do with Shea starting than anything else.

            I’m on the page with Data that with a playmaker next to him he is probably serviceable enough to attend to other needs first.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i can agree with that.

        • MB30SD

          stop trying to goose me you bastage!

          • Irish Sweetness

            Fargin Bastage !

  • The GP

    Amazing how all the Bears swag started getting worn in the city after this week.

    • SC Dave

      Not surprising tho

  • BillW

    Watching the Browns video that was linked in Jeff’s twitter feed was very sad and painful. Seriously, unless you are a really vicious person, you will feel horrible for Browns fans looking at that.

    • The GP

      The guy who shreds his jersey is epic.

      That guy has had enough.

      After the Saints Monday Night game last year, that was us.

      Christ, the Cryptkeeper was awful.

      http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/trestmanfistpump.jpg

      • Scharfinator

        The shredding of the jersey was magical. Hilarious. Desperate. Sad. ALl in one!

        • MB30SD

          Glorious

      • BillW

        He really looks a lot an older version of the guy playing the Riddler on Gotham.

      • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene
      • Like I said in the last thread, imagine Angelo and Trestman running the Bears…for 50 years.

        That’s the Browns.

        Cub fans might have suffered longer, but it can be argued Browns fans have suffered greater.

        Imagine if the Cubs are whisked away on Mayflower vans in the middle of the night, and then witnessing that team win a pennant in another city a few years later.

        • BillW

          And having that team win a World Series shortly after.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Again, the Browns were in the “superbowl” every year of Otto’s 10 year career, and they won 7 of them. I’d take that over the Bear’s ‘haul’.

  • MB30SD

    Browns are so turrible. Who in thee fuck would draft manziel?! I feel no compassion for them, fuck the browns.

    • Johnnywad

      Mmmmmm HM! Fuck the Browns.

  • Can we all just agree that Matt Ryan stinks and move on? It really isn’t more complicated than that. How many crippling interceptions in big games, in big moments, does the guy have to throw?-jeff

    No one notes the irony here? Maybe if he had a good oc instead of bums like Turner, Tice, Trestman…oh, wait!

    • Irish Sweetness

      I disagree on Matty. He’s fine when it’s no-huddle, but that OC seems to suck the life out of him.

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  • MB30SD
    • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

      I get frustrated sometimes that these guys get to make fucking money “writing” about football. What the fuck is that motherfucker watching?

    • BillW

      Brutal is right. If you read it – and I don’t recommend it unless you like getting upset – he seems to be saying the coaches won the game and not the players. A C+ for the offense MAYBE is fair. But a C+ for the defense that held GB to 13 and 0 in the 2nd half?

      Total lack of credibility, but then again they simply don’t care.

      • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

        Giving Cutler a C grade and calling him a game manager is fucking crazy. As you pointed out he was a shorthair away from a 101 rating, in the rain, at Lambeau….
        Also, the term Game Manager pisses me off as well because the definition of a game manager should be reserved for guys that don’t make plays but don’t lose the game for you and need the rest of the team to make up for the QB being an empty suit.
        That is so far from the case with Cutler that it’s laughable. It’s also disingenuous that people still get to broad stroke paint like this especially when it’s fucking wrong.

        There are guys aching to write real sports content out there and these fucking clowns like the guy at Bleacher Report should be ashamed of themselves.

        • BillW

          yes – “game manager” got me too. we all know it’s a code word and not a complementary one.

          Cutler himself deserved an A in my mind. But the offense as a whole no better than a B. A better run game and we wouldn’t be sweating out 4 throws from the 8.

          But’s it all irrelevant nit-picking anyway. The win was an A+

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            penalties by Long made it stressful and Gase not putting in a 310lb fullback on the 1yd line with Langford and an unbalanced line made it even more so. It’s not brain surgery.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Eh? Unrein blocked about three people on Langford’s TD.

    • willbest

      Wow, that didn’t help my blood pressure.

      • MB30SD

        they are garbage. we had a rule a while back about no BR posts. Maybe we should re-institute?

    • SC Dave

      ‘Incompetent’ comes to my mind first

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    so the NFL demotes a group of refs, and by demotion i mean just transferring them to a game that is not in Primetime. Do refs get paid more for primetime games? If not then it’s not a fucking demotion, they still get paid for doing a crappy job except maybe less people will notice this week. There needs to be a harsher penalty for crews that totally screw up games.

    http://deadspin.com/nfl-demotes-officiating-crew-after-screwups-in-cardinal-1745456717

    • BillW

      I saw that too on PFT and a lot of commenters saying in effect “I guess it’s OK to screw up, just don’t do it in primetime”.

      But the issue I think is there are only enough referees for a full slate of games. Though I guess they have alternates for other positions and a head lineman or someone could be promoted to ref for a game etc. After all, if a ref was ill that’s what they would do.

      The fact that the league is doing this somewhat publicly maybe is a sign they recognize the issue and will address it in the offseason.

      And maybe there will be no murders in Chicago this weekend too.

    • CanadaBear

      Totally agree. However, the NFL has made the rule book such a gigantic cluster fuck I’m not sure any crew has a chance to be right all game.

    • Scharfinator

      It’s probably too much of a insular boys club for the NFL to start cutting people. Not enough of them know the rules.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        not saying to start cutting. get an extra crew or 2 in the loop. if one crew royally screws the pooch, bench the for a week make them watch tape study the rule book.

        • BillW

          I like that idea but what do those extra crews do if not needed? You could rotate “weeks off” but one could argue that having time off makes them less sharp.

          I’ll add this to my growing list of what I think are decent ideas that will never happen, but I described in another thread the idea of having a database of penalties called. I guess though you’d have to add penalties NOT called and decisions (catch/no catch) and that gets impractical in a hurry.

          • Scharfinator

            Ooo they should run ref drills during the offseason!

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            rotate them, but then have the crews on the “off” week analyze the performance of a group of games, then post the results publicly ie, correct calls, incorrect calls etc. so the public/media can scrutinize the on field Crew as well as the off field crew abilities. Worst “On Field” crews get demoted to “Off Field”, best “Off Field” crew gets promoted. This gives the crews incentives to get things right on the field with a punishment if they mess up too badly. Make a slight pay differential for “On/Off field” crews as more of an incentive.

  • willbest

    Apparently it had been nearly 10 years since the last time the Saints hadn’t scored a TD in a game. Texans D be crazy.

    • SC Dave

      So has Clowney finally come around? To be honest, if he was at his potential, teaming him with Watt is almost unfair.

      • Scharfinator

        Doesn’t look like it. From what I’ve followed, he’s been a pretty big disappointment so far. Who knows if hes a bust or if he just needs more time – this is his rookie season in pretty much all respects.

  • willbest

    Wait a second… How did the Bears beat the Packers in GB, and fall 1 spot in ESPN power rankings.

    • That Guy

      The answer is the last three words of your question.

      • Scharfinator

        I’m starting to appreciate your comments 🙂

        • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

          haha, that’s New Bear, he brings a level head and value to many a conversation.

    • CanadaBear

      Not that it makes any difference but the SI poll had the Beloved at 16. BTW they have played 7 games against top 10 teams (in the SI poll). The funny part is NE got moved down to #3 (and PK is a huge NE fan) and the fans went completely ballistic. I hope when Bellichick and Brady are gone that team sucks moose wang for a couple of decades. Their fans are the worst. Although having written that, probably most fan bases would become insufferable dicks after that much winning.

      • BillW

        It’s pretty obvious that they don’t even attempt to correlate one week’s rankings with the next. And I suppose that makes some sense. First – many teams are essentially even, and second even objective writers are going to see recent trends or lack thereof differently.

        To me the lack of logic is most disturbing because of my math/stat brain. Ironic since emotionally committing to a series of events for which I have no control (meaning a football season) is about as illogical as one can get.

        • That Guy

          What I think would be an interesting discussion is:

          If the NFL did the playoffs the way college football does them, which 4 teams are in the dance?

          I’d have to say Carolina, New England, Arizona and Denver. Cincinnati could make a claim for that 4th spot as well, but you can’t exclude New England and Denver just beat New England.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Because the Packers “are in a slump” and if we beat them then they can’t be that good, ergo our victory deserves to be rated as less important.

      • willbest

        They are still ranked the 8th best team in the league. They fell from 6 to 8.

  • The great thing about this team is that I don’t think they’ll ever get caught in a “trap” game. They genuinely feel disrespected by everything and everyone (the McPhee effect?) and never come into games like trestman zombies.

    They’re a scrappy bunch.

    • willbest

      Well at this point, every game is an elimination game for them, so there is no such thing as a trap game. Meanwhile Vikings and Packers at this point are circling week 17 as the division deciding game which may inadvertently result in a loss.

    • BillW

      Great Practicing Zombies, though.

  • BillW

    Still wondering – is the 20 yard line part of the red zone? I believe it is, since there are only whole yards marked for stat purposes. If the 20 were not part of the red zone, then it would only be 19 yards in total.

    • Yeah, I’m pretty sure the redzone includes the 20, or sometimes coaches prefer to use the term “the green zone.” or go zone.

  • BillW

    Another missed call affecting a game ending play?

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/12/1/9825602/ravens-browns-ending-block-kick-six-refs-blown-call

    While Blandino claims the play was legal, the photo (unless retouched or not showing right before the snap) clearly shows a Raven in the neutral zone.

    Some question too if Hill stepped out – but I recall looking at the play for that and I think the photo in this article simply has a bad angle.

    • BillW

      Adding to that, the Browns didn’t have 7 on the line of scrimmage either. Of course that penalty would have been declined.

    • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

      they don’t call the neutral zone shit unless it’s EGREGIOUS. Like Alshon lining up 2yards past the ball….

  • willbest

    Chicago’s top cop just got canned. This will no doubt end all police corruption and the south and west sides of the city will stand arm and arm singing kumbaya, while peace and tranquility sweep through the city forever and ever.

    • The GP

      Rahm has offered up his sacrificial lamb. Now spare him his life!

      • BillW

        …from this monstrosity? (easy come, easy go…)

    • BillW

      Had to happen. Alvarez political future is in doubt also.

  • I know some don’t read Jeff’s twitter, but he linked a really good “Behind the Music” article to how Gase/Fangio almost ending up on the 9ers.

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/bears-top-assistants-could-have-joined-forces-49ers/

  • Sactowns#1

    Wait….did Yes Man switch to “That Guy”?

    • BillW

      I think “That Guy” is “New Bear”. A couple people got bit by Disqus making us verify our account. If you signed up with an email you don’t remember, then there is no way to do that.

      Happened to Cheesy. Almost happened to me, and then I remembered the email I used and the password.

      • Sactowns#1

        Keeping spam/junk email accounts is a pain for sure but not as much of a pain as having 23,478 spam items a day.

        • willbest

          I gave up spam in 1997

          • BillW

            Can you still buy it? Same can with the key on the bottom? (Al knows what I’m talkin’ ’bout.)

  • Sactowns#1

    So I keep hearing talk about how much cap space we are going to have next year and blah blah blah. Cam someone tell me how much they think we’ll have and why? http://overthecap.com/calculator/chicago-bears/

    • Scharfinator

      I’m thinking around $20m left. We will keep Alshon (expensive), Miller (respectable), and maybe Forte (expensive but probably short term). I also expect Shea and Porter to get resigned, maybe Bellamy. They should be moderately priced (cept Bellamy, cheap!).

      Then we have to fill in the rest of the gaps.

      • Sactowns#1

        $20m doesn’t seem like all that much, yet everyone keeps saying we’ll have boatloads of cash to throw at free agents.
        Greg Hardy was something like a $13mil cap hit alone for the Cowboys.

        • willbest

          It won’t be as low as 20 million unless they massively frontload Jeffery. Plus they only need to fill 15 roster sports right now, and you get 5 from the draft. Works out to about 5 million for each of the remaining 10 roster spots.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          look at it this way the Broncos will only have 32 players signed with about $20 mill in cap space at the end of the year. the bears will have 34 players signed with roughly 60 mill to spend at the end of the year. we are in very good condition.

          • I think we can splurge on one player (McPhee level, not necessarily Pepper’s tier).

            It’ll be interesting to see how Pace operates in FA with some mula.

        • Scharfinator

          Greg Hardy got top of the line pricing because Jerry is an idiot and harbors criminals. Granted, if we want someone else who is a top of the line FA, we might pay just as much.

          I agree, $20m doesn’t seem like a ton, but it sure beats the $4 million we have left this year. We could get 2-3 really good FA’s with that – assuming Pace keeps hitting on them. (The problem with FA’s, of course, is why did their team cut them to begin with?)

        • That Guy

          Assuming we have $20M after dealing with the rest of the roster, that’s a lot of money for the FA market. The most expensive players are QBs and $20M is enough to sign a franchise QB without significantly backloading the deal.

          A “blockbuster” FA class is going to be 3-4 players. The top guy (let’s say a 5 tech from the Jets) is going to get $8-12M per year. The second and third guys signed on day 2 or 3 of FA will get $2-5M/yr each (perhaps a guard and a linebacker). You can stay under $20M and sign those guys plus a couple of other $1-3M “middle market” players.

          We don’t have an endless pocketbook, but next year we will have very little dead money on the books and very little invested in unproductive players. The raw number, $50-60M, is more than most teams will have. That means the Bears can be very active in both retaining the players they like and signing additional talent to the roster.

      • Irish Sweetness

        Forte be gone. He (his agent) will not take a discount. Running backs are ten a penny. Jamaal Charles goers down. BNAG! Charcandrick West with the video game numbers. He goes down. BANG! Spencer Ware is the dual threat with the numbers.

        Matt Forte leaves. BANG! Whoever else is next up ….

    • willbest

      Well you just posted we have 58 million in cap space with a projected 150 mil cap.

      So start there 58 million
      plus 4+ mil for cutting bushrod
      minus 15 million for Jeffery (assume front load)
      minus 3 million to reserve for in season IR replacements
      minus 7 million to sign draft class

      roughly 37 million in cap room.

      Now go through the list of possible signing players – Forte, Miller, McClellin, Porter, Montgomery (veteran backup), Jenkins, Bellamy, Reynolds, Prosinski. Most of these guys will be on league min, so maybe you are talking 10-12 million for the lot (assuming you want them back).

      That gives you 25 million in cap room for FA.

      Also look at some other potential cuts
      Cut Rolle – save 3 million
      Cut Bennett – save 5 million
      Cut Houston – save 4 million
      Cut Young – save 2.5 million

      • I wouldnt cut Bushrod unless he was really inj. OTs are hard to come by, and he has a boatload of experience. He could probably start on a lot of teams.

        Houston has shown enough, as has Young.

        Rolle. Snip. Bennet. (trade if only for a 6th). Few other huge contracts off the books like Allen and Forte.

        And typically, we can bargain shop with min vet, 1yr prove it deals, and UFAs for the bottom roster, maybe like 6-8 guys can be had for about $5M total every year.

        • Bushrod has been supplanted by Leno. You don’t pay a backup $8M when you can cut him and get half that back.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I’d give Alshon 8M not a penny more – he will not be our #1 receiver. He’s hardly an unreplaceable talent.

        • willbest

          I am curious why you are so sure that a player that hasn’t even been healthy enough to take 1 snap against an NFL opponent is destined to be the #1. Alshon is a #1 WR. Having one of those is great. Having two of them is even better.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Mike Pereira was magnificent during Arizona/San Francisco game. He has become a voice of reason the commissioner should be listening to, pointing out each week how horrendous the officiating has been.”
    And what do you bet he is “Persona Non Grata” at the NFL Offices these days?

    • The GP

      I’m just looking forward to Luke Wilson playing Rodger the Dodger.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I won’t be watching.

        • The GP

          Why not?

          • AlbertInTucson

            Just not the least bit interested in watching Will Smith affect an accent while telling us how terrible football is for 2+ hours.

            Showing the age, again. Just not much in the way of new movies that interests me.

            I’m past Super Heroes.

            I don’t care to see how much stuff can be blown up in two hours.

            Trying to think of newer films I’ve liked lately.

            THE KING’S SPEECH. Like that a lot.

            THE YOUNG VICTORIA.

            I was OK with the STAR TREK reboot.

            Kind of enjoyed the concept of EDGE OF TOMORROW.

            Also LOOPER.

            I may give THE MARTIAN a shot.

            Not sure I will invest any time in THE FORCE AWAKENS.

            That franchise peaked at EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.

            Why does the force have to AWAKEN?
            Didn’t the force Triumph in RETURN OF THE JEDI?
            I’m betting ‘ol Luke has gone “Dark Side”.

          • SC Dave

            Wait for in the heart of the sea

          • BillW

            Hoping the new Star Wars is decent. Hated “episode 1” so much I never bothered with the next two.

            Return of the Jedi was OK as a way to end it. And it gave us the three guys in the sky thing mocked on the Simpsons and in Happy Gilmore

            Yes, I saw Happy Gilmore. My younger son was of that age at the time where Adam Sandler was hysterical to him. He’s apologized for asking me to take him to that movie several times over the years.

          • willbest

            Utter nonsense. Happy Gilmore is one of the 100 great comedies of all time.

          • BillW

            I got many laughs from it.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The original STAR WARS entertained me.

            EMPIRE intrigued me.

            RETURN was a HUGE let down after the revelations in EMPIRE.

            I detested all of the time wasted with the cute little Ewoks. If I wanted the Muppet Show, I’d go see The Muppet Show.

            I would have used “Return..” to flashback and show how the Vader/Emperor story evolved and skipped all the nonsense on Endor.

            Of course, that kind of flashback would have precluded any need for Episodes 1, 2 & 3.

          • BillW

            I could never get over how Yoda’s voice was simply a cross between Bert and Fozzi Bear.

          • AlbertInTucson

            “Wocka, Wocka!

          • BillW

            Every time Yoda spoke I heard that. Or waiting for him to yell at Ernie for making a mess.

          • Johnnywad

            Gran Torino? Or how about Unforgiven? Two of my favorites.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Like Gran Torino.

            I like the climax of UNFORGIVEN but the pace of the movie is just too slow for me.

            Best lines:

            Little Bill Daggett (Gene Hackman): Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!

            Will Munny (Clint Eastwood): Well, he should have armed himself if he’s going to decorate his saloon with my friend.

          • CanadaBear

            I love Unforgiven. The slow pace doesn’t bother me at all. I used to go to movies all the time with my Beloved Bride but we hardly go at all these days. Guess it’s the Old Farts syndrome.

          • BillW

            We don’t very much either, and when we do it’s always some rom-com or crazy family get together movie (there’s one out know called Meet the Coopers or something that she wants to see with me)

            She did go with me to see Dark Knight Rises. I know she hated it but I appreciated the gesture.

          • Sactowns#1

            Same here. What a well written, well directed movie. Great cinematography too. I love how the look of the movie shifts as it progresses. It becomes darker and grittier and the lush landscape shots disappear.

          • BillW

            I liked Gran Torino until the illogical ending. Nearly all the gang members would have gotten off and then hunted down the kid and his family anyway.

          • The GP

            I’d like to see that, in the Star Wars future now that Yoda is dead, the Jedi academy is run by Lee Ermey.

            “JESUS CHRIST… you maggots couldn’t move a marble with your mind if it was shoved up your ass! You are PATHETIC. Now clean that light saber and then the latrine!”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUc62jD-G0o

          • Well, the Force is good AND bad, so the “bad” force is probably awakened.

            Not sure about Luke going to the dark side, but daddy def had anger management issues.

            Also, Vader chose order over freedom essentially.

            I once read that a tragedy is never about a protagonist choosing between vice and virtue, rather between choosing two competing “virtues” like “order” and “peace”, “country”v”family”, “god” v “love” etc…seems about right.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Rey and Kylo Ren will be brother and sister, children of Han and Leia Solo. Kylo will rally the knights of Ren in a bid to continue the work of his grand-dad, Darth Vader. Han Solo dies early doors. Supreme leader Snoke is probably Darth Plageuis. Book it.

          • Shady

            Creed is supposed to be worthwhile.

          • That’s what I heard. Surprised. Thought it would suck.

            There’s lots of good movies, most of them are just indie or foreign.

            Box office hits usually suck balls.

            I just heard that Crocodile Dundee grossed the most in the comedy category, up until the Home Alone franchise. Then, the Hangover franchise took Home Alone over for that honor.

            Those movies aren’t exactly “cultured”.

            Same goes for radio. Radio for the most part has always sucked. So when I hear old farts complaining “There’s nothing good on the radio!” I retort, “There never was!”

            Most of the true movements have been underground and are too raw for radio. It’s only when they get PG-13 and commercialized that they hit the radio, and by then, it’s so watered down, it sucks balls.

          • AlbertInTucson

            I was not a big ROCKY fan.

            My favorite boxing movie is KID GALAHAD.

          • Shady

            Who didn’t like Rocky? You and maybe the guy who didn’t like Star Wars? (jk)

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky9-eIlHzAE

          • AlbertInTucson

            Sorry. Thought Rocky was OK. Less so on the franchise.

            He gets points for having a dog named “Butkus”.

          • CanadaBear

            That would be me. No accounting for taste!

          • Irish Sweetness

            The Force Awakens has the kind of feel coming off it that it might be one of the greatest movies ever made.

            The Martian was meh.

            Best movies of 2015? Birdman. Foxcatcher. The tale of princess Kaguya. Ehhh …and I guess the Force Awakens will be the movie of the decade.

    • BillW

      I think the league realizes they have an issue – else they wouldn’t be reassigning crews from prime time games.

      Now what they do about it, I don’t know. Especially since the officials union refuses to consider the idea of full time refs.

      That may be the motivation for these semi-public “critiques” of certain crews. You can be sure certain officials have already lost any chance for the SB or Championship games.

      We will certainly see a couple “retirements” or “reassignments” in the off season. Maybe even a announcement of a couple of them “seeking other opportunities” (which is how they often describe firing at a high level in the business world.

  • BillW

    “On the day he returned to the practice field, Packers tight end Andrew Quarless entered a plea and was sentenced to a year of probation and ordered to pay a $1,000 fine for firing a gun in a late-night incident in Miami Beach last July”

    I know – we’ve had a couple guys with issues too and gave them another chance.

    • willbest

      The Packers season is on the line they don’t have time to debate the finer points of morality.

    • Sactowns#1

      At first I was like “ok, $1,000 fine, 4th of July probably just illegal discharge in city limits. Then I read “Quarless was ordered to take an anger management class ……and allowed to keep the semiautomatic gun he had fired”.
      WTF?!
      1) If he fired the gun in anger he should sure as hell have a more severe punishment than a 1 G fine.
      2) Judge recognizes he has an anger problem but lets him keep a semi auto rifle? smh Makes no kind of sense.

      • willbest

        I don’t think they are allowed to take your guns away unless you have been adjudicated mentally incompetent or been convicted of a felony.
        Anyway semi-auto is one of those words that people focus on the auto more than the semi. Unstable people with bolt/pump action or revolvers are hardly less dangerous.

        • Sactowns#1

          True but if someone is shooting at me I’d rather they have a lever action 30-30 or a bolt action 30-06 than a squeeze and shoot .223.

          • CanadaBear

            I agree with ya but don’t underestimate how fast a good shooter can handle the action on either type of rifle. Pheasant hunting I know lots of guys that can bark off 3 rounds as fast as a semi-auto shotgun. Usually they are going so fast they can’t hit anything but a few of them were crazy fast and accurate. I was worthless unless I was deliberate. Otherwise, I was almost better off throwing the shells at them.

          • Johnnywad

            Same here. I can shoot long distance very well. But pheasants……I’d be better off with a butterfly net.

          • CanadaBear

            I was actually a decent shot when I got older and took my time. Never hunted ducks that much. Too much money for a boat, etc. or too frustrating hunting on public land with a bunch of loonies. I loved the exercise hunting pheasants as much as the camaraderie and esp. eating pheasants. it’s my favorite thing to eat (besides the obvious).

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            Poutine fries?

          • CanadaBear

            Just Poutine Johnny (the fries are implied in the name). Poutine=fresh cut fries, cheese curds and a medium brown, thick gravy over the top. It’s incredibly good but after about 2 bites you can feel your entire system slowing down. I’ve never ordered one but I have had some of my Little Love Dove’s. Pretty sure it originated in Quebec.

          • MB30SD

            never had it… tony bourdain swears by it though

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            haha fuck Bourdouche.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            what is in this medium pooh brown thick gravy that you speak of? Beef stock? Veal stock? Random turkey gravy stock?

          • CanadaBear

            It can be beef or pork. Somewhere between the medium brown thick gravy to almost a demi-glace. Sinfully good but the calorie count is in the millions.

          • Irish Sweetness

            Chuck Liddell, Forrest Griffin & Rory MacDonald – Who Makes the Best Poutine?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kW5hRXgbtU

          • Johnnywad

            Duck hunting seems too much like work to me. Pheasant on the other hand, is just a nice long walk. Great day even if you don’t shoot anything. (Which I seldom do)

          • MB30SD

            try a butterfly net!

          • Johnnywad

            It works. What can I say? Man gotta eat. Right?

          • That Guy

            Question for the shooters on the blog.

            The wife and I want to go shooting at some point. Just something we’ve never done, but think is a worthwhile skill and fun experience. So the question is… is it better to shoot a handgun or a rifle on the first go around?

            We’d just be at the range, no hunting, and we are not interested in keeping a gun at the house for defense while we have little ones. So this is purely recreation.

          • willbest

            Personally I find trap shooting more enjoyable than target shooting. But I prefer rifles to handguns

          • That Guy

            I have a hard time believing trap shooting is a good first time affair. Seems like hitting a stationary target is step one. But maybe I’m wrong?

          • willbest

            It is a bit more involved yes. But, I find it is more enjoyable to watch a clay pigeon shatter than look at holes in paper. If you are talking about which is easiest to become proficient in then target shooting is.

          • Sactowns#1

            Rifles for sure. Get a marlin .22 and you’ll have tons of fun. My shotgun is great fun too. Pro tip- shoot old used golf balls and decorations from the dollar store.

          • CanadaBear

            Rifles are less intimidating for sure. Like Sac says, a .22 rifle is really fun to shoot and is cheap as hell. Handguns are really fun but same thing, start with a .22, learn the basics (safety and the physical part of shooting) and if you really dig either one, you will end up getting another one (almost guaranteed). Shotguns are really fun but you really have to be safety conscious with them because typically you aren’t at a range and you’re shooting a moving target. Again, start small with a .410 or a 20 gauge.

          • DaMurph

            rent one of each at the range, it would be fun to try the different kind of guns. Whe I take friends that havent shot guns I bring all of mine and let them try them all out to get the feel of what they do.

          • Can you rent a gold plated uzi? Always wanted to shoot off one of those.

          • MB30SD

            it’s an AK you communist!

          • das, comrade.

          • CanadaBear

            I like the way you roll. Murph!

          • Irish Sweetness

            When it goes down, I’ll be rocking the M50 Barrat from the over-looking turret of my recently-acquired county pile. Come waving a flag loud and clear, brother!

          • Johnnywad

            I would definitely start with a small caliber pistol. Much less traumatic for a first timer. My wife shoots both a .22 and a .38 comfortably. Start with the .22 and move to the .38.

            Shotguns, even small ones, pack a hell of a punch. Firm contact to the shoulder before pulling the trigger is the key there. If you can find one, start with a 410, move to a 20 guage, and on to a 12 gauge from there.

            Also, if you’re both new to it, make sure to wear ear protection. That’s important if you’re planning to shoot more than a few rounds.

            Pistols and little ones is a dicey affair. I’ve never had pistols in the house as long as I’ve had kids. I know guys that do and have had no trouble with it, but I was never comfortable with it. They’re just too easy to get pointed the wrong way for my taste. I do have a few shotguns in the house. All of them in locked cases with trigger locks on them and ammo in a separate location.

            Good luck with it. Let us know how you both like shooting. It can be pretty fun.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I see where you’re going with that (nudge nudge wink wink) …. the old hunting accident, eh?

          • MB30SD

            we call it, “The Cheney”

          • CanadaBear

            She has to apologize!

          • Shady
          • Johnnywad

            Hahahahaha. Precisely.

            Generally what happens, the bird jumps up ten feet in front of me, I shit my pants, he flies away comfortably as I unload my gun, then he swings back around for a Top Gun style tower fly-by and flips me the bird. Cuz he knows I suck at shooting him.

          • CanadaBear

            That made me laugh like hell, for obvious reasons!

          • MB30SD

            Ohhhhh, Imma try that on my next hunting trip!

          • Johnnywad

            Prolly not a good idea with your prey of choice. Might drive away the herd.

          • Johnnywad

            If they’re shooting at you with a bolt action 30-06, you’re already dead. Because they’ve been laying on their belly all day on the roof top across the street, staring through their scope, waiting for you to emerge, as their canon rests on its tripod legs.

            It’s impossible to miss with that gun.

        • CanadaBear

          The issue is assault rifles. Auto or semi-auto they were designed for one thing, to kill people. There are much better choices for hunting or at the range. I get they’re fun to shoot, I have. But any efforts at gun control in the US are close to futile due to the amount of guns in the country with very few (relatively speaking) paper trails. It’s a mess.

        • Irish Sweetness

          The first sentence is why guns should not be in the hands of ordinary people. By the time you’ve been convicted, or are found to be psychopathic, it’s too late.

          And I’ve never seen a gun that wasn’t designed to kill people

          • willbest

            Governments don’t last forever and sometimes they get nasty. Being in the US we don’t truly appreciate how atypical it is since we have managed to get along relatively peacefully for 170 years.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Message From Sponsor, “…

    Duh, I was actually looking for a Burma-Shave rhyme.

    • BillW

      Then he’d have to pay you royalties.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Nah. Blogfather get a pass for providing the space/tolerating the ones I do.

  • AlbertInTucson

    “Watched some Tiger today. Never seen him look so resigned to his fate.”

    I’m betting he is getting constant reminders that his run is over in in the form of pain from any number of physical issues.

    • Sactowns#1

      I’m sure the alimony payments hurt even more. Probably calculated off of his former winnings which he is no longer making. Even lost his EA sports contract.

      • CanadaBear

        He deserves to get bent over a barrel. After all that free style fucking he did while he was married. I saw a Canadian doc about him and they interviewed a bunch of the women. The waitress from Denny’s looked like a middle aged waitress from Denny’s. I’m sure she had a nice body but not exactly a looker. Not to mention he’s a total cheapskate. Fuck him.

      • willbest

        I thought it was a flat 100-120 million settlement. Probably didn’t even notice it was gone.

  • The GP

    Writing “BROWNS” on the side of their pants makes them look like the Bad News Bears, like they were sponsored by a trucking company or something.

    McCown is all busted up

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14267260/cleveland-browns-qb-josh-mccown-season-broken-collarbone

    • BillW

      They could get UPS to sponsor them.

      Oh wait – their tagline is Brown Delivers.

      Never mind.

      • The GP

        BOOM!

    • That Guy

      The Browns/Manziel storyline is just silly. He’s shown enough that he should be starting for that team. If you can’t handle the character stuff, just cut him.

      • Sactowns#1

        but, but, but… he wont do what we tell him in his off time!

        • CanadaBear

          Being the QB and the face of the franchise is a big ask. If he was a stud at his job nobody would care. Unfortunately for him, he isn’t and they do.

          • That Guy

            So cut him loose instead of publicly shaming him. He’s no prince, but he hasn’t earned the way they’ve treated since before his rookie season.

          • CanadaBear

            It makes no sense. If they were that worried about his character why did they draft him? I’m sure McMahon did a hell of a lot more stuff than JM ever thought of, but it’s different times with cameras everywhere and straight to the internet. Busted before you even get home.

          • Owner forced him on a coach who didn’t want him. Thus the coach looks for any excuse not to play him and to shit on him.

            It’s a messed up situation, but it’s Cleveland, so that goes without saying.

          • MB30SD

            He hit his girlfriend. Dude is a cunt. Never hit a girl.

          • CanadaBear

            Never say never. If the woman is big, violent and attacking me, she’s so getting jacked.

          • MB30SD

            hahahahaha… have you seen his chick? She’s the 5″ heels and toy chihuahua in her purse type

        • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

          Playing in the NFL is not a RIGHT. It’s a privilege for most and the teams INVEST a shit ton of money in the product. If he or any player doesn’t represent a solid return on investment or in general if the hassle is not worth the effort then you get fucking bounced. This is not a teachers union. This is big boy, perform or fucking leave.

          • SC Dave

            Fuck yeah. This.

          • MB30SD

            ‘Murica!

    • CanadaBear

      Start Manziel or cut him loose. Pettine is such a dope he makes Manziel look like a sympathetic character and that’s hard to do.

      • Sactowns#1

        Why cut someone who still may have some trade value. With all these injuries there will be quite a few teams looking for a backup QB this off season.

        • CanadaBear

          Good point. I have no idea what he would bring in return. I’m guessing not much but you’re right, better than nothing.

        • why keep a backup who doesn’t do homework?
          A lot of time, the backups have to do MORE study because sometimes they act as the enemy QB for the D while also preparing for the upcoming wk with limited reps and coaching attention.

          That’s why many teams roll with vet backups. Vet backups also can help out the starting QB on gameday.

          Manziel looks unprepared with all the reps and coaching attention at this point, and he aint’ helping anyone on game day.

          • Scharfinator

            He’s such a train wreck. It’s hard to watch him lose such an opportunity. It’s also hard for me to think that I may have been just as dumb at 22 in that situation.

          • Sactowns#1

            Well the good thing is he has Mom and Dads money to fall back on.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            or his own from his 8.25 Million dollar contract.

          • I agree. I was rooting for him.

            Didn’t we all feel like this at 22?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9zk448H69U

  • Trac

    Note to Yonny. Even though GP has a playoff spot locked up, please field your team this week. It will look good on your resume if you beat GP again and we will all know that your only victory in da Liga wasn’t a fluke. He he.

    • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

      I promise I will field a team

  • MB30SD

    plainly and simply… smfh.

    http://www.mandatory.com/2015/11/29/tim-tebows-girlfriend-apparently-dumped-him-because-he-wouldnt/

    I heard a radio guy say, “Timmy will be ok, due to his NFL career he’s totally used to getting dumped for not scoring”. hee hee

    • Shady

      He’s either extremely religious, extremely gay or both. Either way more power to him.

      • MB30SD

        I think both, and yeah… do whatever floats your boat, but my goodness.

        Don’t think my vow of celibacy would last a nanosecond with that chick’s begging nakedness draped all over me.

        I’m pretty sure I’m the diametric opposite of Timmy T.

        • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

          he’d be treated better if he was gay……..?

          a very Trac-esque post from me but i actually think it’s true.

          • MB30SD

            really? from you?

            he’s gay AND highly religious. He’s a great guy who’s a multi millionaire. I could care A less who he fucks (or doesn’t fuck), I just like making fun of him because he sucks at football. He wins at life anyway.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            i know. He gets a ton of shit for just being a good dude. It sucks to watch lesser men get more respect.

          • MB30SD

            I see where you’re coming from… he’s undeniably a good human. Maybe if he wasn’t so damn dorky about all of it?

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            maybe, but there are a ton of black baptist dudes that are straight up cray cray in this NFL and no one says shit. Brian Dawkins is one of the craziest motherfuckers ever and no one says shit when he’s running around quoting verses in games. AP beats his toddlers ballsack to bits and quotes revenge poetry from the good book. weird shit. Tebow just builds houses and provides opty’s for kids….

          • MB30SD

            yeah yeah, I’m down with him. Again, I like making fun of him cause he sucks at football and that chick was amazing. Basically, I’m jealous of that part that he can shack that chick and she bails cause he WON’T ball her. Some shit just don’t compute maing.

            Pretty sure if Jaysus was here he’d be like, “dude, are you fucking kidding me right now?! Ball that!!”

          • MB30SD

            Right Trac?!?

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            haha, couldn’t he just do other stuff with her and not be a total weirdo? Bleacher Report did an All Star Team of Jesus lovers.

            http://bleacherreport.com/articles/373185-team-jesus-nfls-all-time-christian-team

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha… yeah, I’d settle for that. No holy penetration, just a little papal cunnilingus!

            Btw, does it make me gay that I’m rocking out to Call Me Maybe right now?

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            yup

            more that you cut up an old pair of jeans into boy shorts and are eyeing a cucumber hungrily….while rocking out to Call Me Maybe

          • MB30SD

            shit.

          • MB30SD

            This.

            Mmmmmmmmmm….cuuuuucuuuuumbers!

            (NTTAWWT)

          • MB30SD

            and dude. we’re getting the band back together!

            Doc bought his kids a PS4 for xmas…

            Shady has been ass-fucking me nightly on COD for the last week. Like 20-9 brutal pownings. Let’s fucking DO THIS!

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            I found an old Best Buy credit card i have and activated it…..off the grid. I can buy it, install it and pay it off using mini chunks that she’ll never notice from the accounts. Brilliant.

            I can only play when they are sleeping though.

          • MB30SD

            hahahahaha… air-tight plan my man.

            Yonny…..? babe…..? Where are you? Baaaabe……? Yonny, where are you!?!?! The kids are crying and the trash needs to be taken out!!!

            Do it!

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            (how i’d really like to respond): hold the fuck on, i’m about to jump off a building and stab MB in the brainsack.

          • MB30SD

            sheeeeite, you’d have to get close enough before fellating my fucking rapid fire and extended mag tricked out golden space-AK first.

            ….Jetpacks dude.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            it’ll be a christmas miracle how much carnage i rain down on you white devils.

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha… bring that noise jar jar binks

          • Irish Sweetness

            ” ….. that she’ll never notice ….”

            Oh dude, does she keep them in a jar by her bed?
            (high fives a bunch of guffawing jocks)

          • MB30SD

            He’s married with like, 10 babies… of fucking course she keeps them in a jar by her bed.

          • SC Dave

            Agreed. Being openly Christian will get one a lot of hate these days.

          • MB30SD

            bullshit… being a fucking toolbag about it will. there’s a difference. Two of my best friends in life are VERY christian and are VERY open about it, but no one thinks they’re fucking dbags. and one of them is the former packer tackle (won the sb in sd against the donkeys).

            (yes, he got TONS of shit last week… it was glorious)

          • SC Dave

            You prove my point. If he was not openly christian, you’d say nothing

          • MB30SD

            Quite the contrary, if he wasn’t suck an asshat I wouldn’t say anything. The kid’s just a tool.

            A good human and probably a great guy, but still a tool… regardless of religion

        • Shady

          Not the only thing that would last a nanosecond…

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha… set up, shoots, score.

            Yeah, but round 2 would be at least 2 minutes.

            oh, and I would have been disappointed if you hadn’t responded in that EXACT way.

  • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

    Gotta feel for McCown, he was writing a nice little second act in the twilight of his career but just suffered a huge setback at 36yrs old:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2594809-josh-mccown-injury-update-browns-qb-out-for-season-with-broken-collarbone

    • Irish Sweetness

      Never feel sorry for a multi-millionaire.
      “Mickey Mantle don’t care about you, so why should you care about him?”

  • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

    haha, just had an entertaining discussion at lunch today between a couple of buddies. The question: what chick is on your head shaker list. The list of celebs you’d sleep with if you had the chance but once you were caught people would be like, “why did you choose her of all people”??

    • MB30SD

      jess simpson

      • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

        STFU, i’m talking obscure head shaker, not hot as fuck world famous, everyone would nibble on her mom bombs JS.

        • MB30SD

          she fat (now) and dumb. hahaha

          I can’t even think of one. who was yours?

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            oh hell no you did not just disrespect JS.

          • MB30SD

            hahahaha… who was yours foo

        • CanadaBear

          Eva Green. If you’ve ever seen the movie The Dreamers you won’t ask why. Tons of nudity and full frontal. Amazing bod and has that look that kinda scares me (in a good way).

      • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

        Julianne Moore

        • MB30SD

          solid. I loves me some MILF.

          Dude, how about the chick from JAG? huge boobs and hot.

          or diane lane from Unfaithful. grrrrrrrrrrr

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            Heather Graham is also on my list.

          • EnderWiggin

            Man, I know you love the movie :Boogie Nights”

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            i like her more now that she’s older which seems counter intuitive.

          • SC Dave

            Dirk Diggler… classic.

          • Irish Sweetness

            He empathises with PSH’s character !

          • MB30SD

            good one.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            last two:

            Megyn Price from some tv show called Rules of Engagement
            Beth Broderick , one of the old aunts on the old show Sabrina the Teenage Witch.

            lol, what the fuck is wrong with me?

          • MB30SD

            you’re a dude?

            don’t know either of them.

            How about some salma hayek?

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            Hayek is too easy. She has always been A+, i need you to dig into the archives. Some weird South African soap opera that had a hot mom, some Dove soap ad, etc. get weird, let it flow…..

          • MB30SD

            hahahahaha… have to bail for a date, but I like this one (shocking). I’ll do some homework… and by homework I mean ball this date later tonight (hopefully)

            ciao bella

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            haha, make sure you don’t picture Mrs Kardashian and her old pubes as you get intimate tonight. That will definitely affect bone strength.

          • MB30SD

            God damn you!!!

          • SC Dave

            Yonny with thecock block. Maybe he’s savin you from a… um… disease

          • MB30SD

            Hahaha, I didn’t even remember to think about it. She was fun though.

            And stop it, I make them swab before I kiss

          • It’s supposed to be “weird” , offbeat.
            Who wouldn’t bang Hayek?

            How about that nerd from the Big Bang? Eh.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            Jessie from Saved By The Bell?

          • MB30SD

            Wasn’t she in striptease?!?! Dude, she was smoking hot

          • Irish Sweetness

            Elizabeth Berkeley? Again, a hotel room, narcotics ….

          • MB30SD

            Gross

          • Irish Sweetness

            Salma Hayek is still a high ten and a low-down, dude.

          • willbest

            Is Heather Graham a headshaker?

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            Just not your average answer

          • MB30SD

            This

        • Skully from Xfiles.

          Marcy Darcy? (Les fetish?)

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            Skully….excellent choice sire.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            The redhead from American Pie

      • SC Dave

        If we’re talkkng “at the time” and not now, I’ll go with Dax, Seven of Nine, and most of all that damn Vulcan T’ Pal

        Hard to beat Star Trek girls.

        • MB30SD

          Translation please?!

    • EnderWiggin

      Dr. Ruth!

      • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

        I’m SMFH right now. That’s just weird. Nice.

        • EnderWiggin

          Thanks. You’re thinking about it though, eh?

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            lol, naw, i’m working on my list but want to see more interaction before i unleash 3 unique beauties and my rationale behind it.

      • That’s just…disturbing…

    • Lindsy Lohan. Amy Schumer. Britney Spears (I like her thicker. Bootay).

      Selena Gomez? (Does that make me a pedo? lol).

      Miley Cirus. The Olsen Twins. While on childhood crushes, Punky Brewster (she’s got big nogins, right?)

      Sarah Silverman if I could ductape her mouth.

      Hmmm. that’s about it, off the top of my head.

      Oh, and most of the kardashians, except Jenner (nttawwt)

      • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

        haha, i have a weird thing for the old mom. She craves attention so much now and is past her prime that she must be a maniac in the bedroom. A Maniac.

        • MB30SD

          eeeewwww

      • MB30SD

        lohan?!? Schumer?!? Olsen twins?!?!

        You gots issues yo. hahaha

        • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

          haha, Lindsay would just get all twizzy on coke and wander off. Schumer would crack jokes and be all weird until you brought the heat and then she’d shut up and get into it. Olsen twins…….i don’t know where to go with that except to say that things just got creepy. love it.

          • GROWN UP Olsen Twins. And at the same time.
            Sure, they’re anoxeric, but just to say I did it. While watching Full House.

            Yeah. I said it.

          • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

            While Sarkozy watches and nods approvingly .

      • Irish Sweetness

        Lindsey Lohan. Classic. Britney qualifies now. Wide load.

        Sarah Silverman, again, classic. She looks hairy. That woman will not STFU about her vagina. She has to get it into every second sentence.

        • Sarah Palin. I

          ‘d make her talk dirty to me, and by dirty, I mean her neo-con jabberwocky.

          Naturally, in Alaska, looking towards Russia.

          Though I might have to do this afterwards.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN0XRkSyhwM

          • willbest

            The mother? Not the daughter?

          • Irish Sweetness

            I’d @#$%! her up against a wall ….

            She is dirty. And you’d see the Kremlin from her bedroom.

          • MB30SD

            Hahaha

          • Irish Sweetness

            Katey Sagal. And a post-baby Alyssa Milano, just for the notch, and to tell a grandson

        • MB30SD

          I couldn’t. .. without duct tape. I don’t find her attractive anyway

          • Irish Sweetness

            Exactly! The headshaker!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Miley Cyrus. I hate her. I’d hate myself. But put a gun to my head ….

      • AlbertInTucson

        She’s has outgrown any cutness that Hannah Montana may had had.
        No, that you.

        • MB30SD

          She’s just a vulgar little creature.

          She should hook up with that little cunt bieebs

        • Irish Sweetness

          Billy Ray Cracker must be so proud.

    • willbest

      My nostalgia would bang list is quite extensive just off the top of my head: Phoebe Cates, Elisabeth Shue, Mia Sara, Vivica Fox, Betsy Russell, Donna D’Errico, Britney Spears. Might even give some grandmas a roll in the sack like Christie Brinkley or Morgan Fairchild.. Jane Seymour.

      If we are talking about actresses not likely to have shown up on an established top 100 list that is still fertile Marla Sokoloff, Katie McGrath, Jewel Staite, Sarah Chalke

      • MB30SD

        Will, you continue to surprise me. I don’t know if you’re a 30 year old smart ass or a 50 yr old accountant.

        GREAT call on shue. I’ll raise you Liz hurley!

        • Irish Sweetness

          I think Jane Fond is over 70. I would. Hurley is still hot. 50 is the new 30. Probably.

          • MB30SD

            Fuck Jane fonda. Traitor. And she’s like 104 dude.

            Jes on lizzy

    • Irish Sweetness

      Rightbackatcha.

      Dudes you would do, or be shot in the face six times with a derringer.

      I guess I have to go first.

      Brad Pitt looks too manly. Got to go with the pretty ladyboy, not a 7-11 tranny.

      I’ll get my jacket ….

  • Good Lord, what happened in this thread? Can’t find a football comment for over 200 posts.

    • Cutty of Olivet Nazarene

      Headshakers happened.

    • willbest

      What do you want from a Tuesday?

      • MB30SD

        It’s Taco Tuesday will!

    • MB30SD

      Thank god! Jesus all the straight logic and football stats/facts overload have been kiiiiilling me. Sometimes it’s just too much.

      Don’t know about the other regs, but I come to shoot the shit and grab ass with guys I’ve now “known” for 5+ years. Not about football at all now that I think of it.

      ; )

  • That Guy

    I posted a question earlier that got buried, so I’ll repost.

    If the season ended today and the NFL picked the playoffs the way college ball does (4 highest ranked teams), who gets in?

    Carolina obviously gets the 1 seed.
    New England should be in, though they just lost their first game and that could knock them out of the 2 seed.
    Arizona seems like a lock as well at 9-2, though the only top tier team they’ve played is Cincinatti (whom they beat).
    But the fourth spot? Cincinatti has the record, but Denver has the best defense in the league and just beat New England. How do you keep them out?

    Denver should probably get in since they beat NE and Cincy lost to Arizona, but that seems a tenuous reason. Cincy beat the Colts in week 1 and the Colts beat Denver. Both teams are 9-2. How do you break the tie?

    And if you put Denver in, do they get seeded ahead of New England because of the win?

    • willbest

      To me it would depend on when the tourney happened. If its next week bounce the Pats. Their offense is in shambles and they won’t be healthy. If its New Years, you bounce the Broncos. Yes Broncos beat the pats but every other team you are considering has over 100 net points, and 3 of them are over 125 net points.

      • MB30SD

        I like that list, but still don’t think car gets past the second round (after bye)

        • Irish Sweetness

          Yeah exactly. At some point in the playoffs they’ll have to score at will. Arizona can do that, I haven’t seen much of the Panthers to be honest. The Steelers haven’t woken up yet, but they will. Ben can beat Osweiler in a clincher. Wheaton has finally emerged as a very good #3, and the #2 Bryant is the #2 NFL all time TDcatch% leader. Then you have Antonio Brown as your #1. I think they can beat the Pats and Broncos and Texans if Ben stays upright.

          But with the officiating at this level, Brian Hoyer or Crock Nobweiler could lift that Lombardi.

          • MB30SD

            Interesting assessment… do you have a newsletter?

      • Irish Sweetness

        Brady is well short on receivers now. Then again, if DCs refuse to double bracket Gronk, that’s all he needs.

    • MB30SD

      NB is this you?

    • Irish Sweetness

      Eh, isn’t this why we have the playoffs the way we have them? We even have wildcard games so that late-seasoners can get in. Football is perfect, it’s the officials that frak it up.

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