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Across The Middle with Andrew Dannehy

| September 30th, 2015

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Note From Jeff: We are going to keep experimenting with the Wednesday space until Andrew feels right. Today is a massive tone change. Hope you like it.

• Oakland rookie receiver Amari Cooper has been awesome this season, which should make Bears fans excited about Kevin White’s potential. Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel does some great pre-draft work  having scouts rank the players. Cooper came in as the top-ranked receiver totaling 12 first-place votes and 88 points, while White received seven first-place votes and 82 points, way ahead of the rest of the field.

• It sure looks like Mel Tucker is coaching the Bears special teams. Players make mistakes that lead to big plays on the field, but when different players keep making the same mistakes, it’s a sign that the coach isn’t doing a good enough job of coaching them. The Bears allowed two 40-yard kick returns in Week 1 and have allowed return touchdowns in consecutive weeks. This comes after last year when the one thing they did better than anyone else was cover kicks, leading the league in average allowed yards per return.

• Regardless of what they Bears are planning on doing with Matt Forte in the future, they can’t have him block anymore. Forte has a reputation as being a good blocker and maybe that was true once upon a time, but he’s awful right now and the Bears need to figure something else out before Cutler gets back. When Seattle blitzed, they got to the quarterback, largely because Forte couldn’t even get in the way.

• The Bears are being pegged to pick first in every mock draft and every mock draft has them taking Cal quarterback Jared Goff. Goff seems like a fine player, but Fox and Gase like Cutler. It’s difficult for me to see a 61-year-old Fox deciding to give up a good QB for a lottery ticket. Remember, Clausen was once hyped as a franchise quarterback.

• Speaking of young quarterbacks, Teddy Bridgewater gets most of the hype, but Derek Carr is a better prospect.

This Still Doesn’t Make Sense

Losing by 20 points in the fourth quarter, why didn’t they put some young players in the game?

Fox waived the white flag when he elected not to go for it on fourth down. Why not finish the job with substitutions? Hasn’t Fox seen enough of Clausen to know he can’t play? Why not give Fales a quarter to see what he can do? Instead of pounding a banged up Forte into the line, why not let Langford or Carey take the pounding?

Regardless of their short or long-term goals, it didn’t make sense.

Player of the Week

Pernell McPhee. For the second straight week McPhee was ruining lives. He already looks to be their most dominant front seven player since Julius Peppers in 2010.

Goat of the Week

Phil Simms. Clausen is the obvious answer, but can we really blame him? He’s bad. We get it. It isn’t his fault he was playing. Simms, however, has no excuse.

Bold Prediction for Week 4

Derek Carr isn’t going to finish the game on Sunday. J’Marcus Webb is the Raiders starting right guard, which means he’ll be matched up with Jeremiah Ratliff and McPhee a lot. This isn’t going to go well for the Raiders.

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  • Big Mike

    It’s a stretch to say that Amari Cooper’s start has any correlation to how Kevin White will do next season. (he won’t see the field this year).

    • BearDown100393

      Yeah, I didn’t get the point either. Two different guys. Two different situations.

    • The White/Cooper debate was about polish vs. potential.

      White has the raw size/speed tools to be a Demaryius Thomas-type receiver. But like Thomas, he came out of college raw and likely will need a little time before becoming a star (if he gets there).

      Cooper is built more like Antonio Brown, and plays like that too. Incredibly quick and runs great routes, and is very shifty after the catch.

      Cooper was much much MUCH more NFL-ready. Those who liked White better simply thought he had a greater upside.

      • Big Mike

        Making the comparison even less relevant.

      • Pissed Off

        And now we have to wait up to one more year longer to get that upside. What a waste. I would take Antonio Brown 7 out of 10 times over Demaryius. Depends a bit on the offense but in general I like Brown.

        • well, those are “best case” comparisons for both. But Cooper went before Chicago had a chance at him.

          • Pissed Off

            I’m the eternal realist…or as some would call me pessimist but regarding your comment: “IF”

          • point is it’s WAY too early to make any judgments on White. He hasn’t even completed a training camp practice yet. He could be a great pick or a bust, we have no idea.

            Personally, I wasn’t a huge fan of the pick. I wanted Vic Beasley, who I think partners really well with McPhee. Oh well. Now I just hope he pans out.

        • Need an accurate passer for Antonio Brown types. We’ll see how he does with 57% Vick behind center.
          Cutler’s not very accurate. He’s better with bigger dudes (even then, he often doesn’t hit them in stride).

          But no matter. Cutler won’t be here much longer methinks.

          • Pissed Off

            Yes and no, is he as big as DT or Megatron, no but he’s quicker and shiftier in tight spaces and I think becuase he’s so quick and can get so much separation that he’s just as easy a target for QB whereas the big guys you just throw up to and they out muscle or outjump the d back

      • Andrew Dannehy

        None of the scouts/McGinn said anything about White’s polish or lack there of. One specifically said there was nothing wrong with White, just that he wasn’t quite as good as Cooper. Compared him to Mike Evans.

        • I’m basing that more on my own eyes + everything I read about the two pre-draft. White has the physical potential to dominate more, but Cooper’s routes are much more polished. Many said he was the most NFL-ready WR in years.

          Though those were just draftniks, and apparently Greg Gabriel thinks their opinions don’t matter.

    • Andrew Dannehy

      The fact that Cooper is as good as he is and White graded similarly by NFL scouts (some of which graded him as better) is relevant.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        Ryan Leaf was graded as good or better than Manning by NFL Scouts. Your argument is irrelevant.

        • Andrew Dannehy

          You have no idea how these scouts rated them. Point is, they were right about Cooper, there’s a decent chance they’re right about White. Same people evaluating the same position.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            every year there are players that get evaluated and rated out as supposedly equal or greater skills as others at the same position and some fail and some don’t. there is no correlation. these same scouts have also rated players very high only for them to bust as well as rating some players very poorly only for them to be Pro Bowlers. It’s a crap shoot. So there is an equal chance of them being wrong about White. Don’t mean to be harsh but your point is irrelevant.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Hey may have improved over the last couple of seasons, but didn’t forte actually have a reputation as a lousy pass blocker?

  • Was it Andrew who compared Teddy B to Alex Smith? Because that certainly seems dead on.

    • willbest

      He can throw it down field though. They don’t because they have AP and they are rolling with some second-third tier WR

      • Irish Sweetness

        Maclin had 20 FFP … but he’s their only receiver other than Charles ….

      • Technically, Alex Smith can throw it downfield too, as is evidenced in that Saints-9er playoff game a few years back.

        But now Smith seems constitutionally incapable of slinging it. a 17 play “hurry-up” drive! Christ.

        I see a lot of that in Teddy, though it’s still early.

    • I did in the PS when everyone was predicting the Vikes as a “darkhorse”, but I’m sure that’s I/m not the only one.

  • The funniest thing about Simms was when he said “you have to go for it here” on 4th and 1, then said “they made the right call” when Chicago punted.

    • BerwynBomber

      Simms is awful as a network lead analyst.

      • BearDown100393

        Even worse than the offspring produced to play qb

      • Pissed Off

        The guys says a lot of confusing shit, kind of like Madden but far less fun to listen to.

  • Irish Sweetness

    (sound of penny dropping)

    So that’s why they’re only 2.5 point favorites, J’Marcus Webb is at Right Tackle.

    Who’s their backup? Matt McGloin?

  • NewBearInTown

    Haven’t been around much the last few weeks with the Jewish holiday playoff season. I’ll be back in action in a couple of weeks (right around the time everyone loses interest).

    A few comments.

    1. We played three really good teams to start the season. We’re not going to be very good this year, but our defense will get us some wins going forward. Vin Fangio and John Fox can hand their hats on that.

    2. For the future. Assuming Cutler gets healthy. Arizona is a great model for what we can become in the next year or two. They started off losing a lot under Arians, but they rode the back of a strong defense to become competitive with the tough teams in their division and now look like contenders. Cutler isn’t as good as Aaron Rodgers. But Cutler is definitely comparable to Carson Palmer.

    3. I think people cherry pick stats a bit when discussing the Emery drafts. Alshon was a good pick regardless of whether he remains on the team going forward. Marquess Wilson has done a lot more than most seventh round picks, likewise Mills – though neither of them is a long term starter. Greene was a victim of the scheme changing as much as anything. And Shea, for all his limitations at other positions, might actually be a good MLB in the new defense. I don’t think Emery was a good drafter, but I also think folks have unrealistic expectations about what a successful draft looks like.

    4. Jeff says nobody is successful with a backup QB. The exception to the rule that comes to my mind is New England, who won double digit games in a season without Tom Brady. Bill Bellichek is one of the top 3-5 coaches in the history of this league. Bellichek, Lombardi, Halas, Walsh and Noll.

    5. I agree with everyone else. One of the criticisms of Trestman was that he overused Forte in lost efforts. He risks injury to good players late in the 4th quarter of lost games. Fox is guilty of the same thing.

    • Arizona has won 10+ games in every year Arians was in town. He took over a team with a lot of young talent that just needed good coaching. Different situation here.

      • BerwynBomber

        Also … though the Palmer/Cutler comparison is largely apt, Palmer has also had higher ceiling years, and this year is looking like one.

        Could Jay do the same? I suppose. But so far he hasn’t.

        • Irish Sweetness

          I think he has done, Ber. We were right in that GB game, he was using his legs, throwing the ball away, generally not forcing it … then a shitty interception, sure. But he as 8/8 and looking sweet before Bennett moved off his spot.

          I think our boy has become a man.

          • NewBearInTown

            I was with you till you said Bennett moved off his spot. Nobody outside the locker room will ever know, but that sure looked a lot more like a bad throw than Marty running the wrong route. He came across the middle and even stopped. Cutler threw the ball behind him.

      • Pissed Off

        Thats what I thought, I dont remember them “losing a lot of games early”

      • And that’s with back up QBs, last year 3rd stringers.

    • As for draft picks, Wilson has not yet done anything to warrant doing “a lot more than other picks.” Mills got more PT than most 5th rounders, but didn’t play well, and washed out pretty quickly. Greene is not playing in TB either, which is the scheme he was drafted for.
      A successful draft lands you 2-3 starters and then some quality backups/ST contributors. 2012 failed that. So did 2013. So IF 2014 pans out, Emery will be 1/3 on good drafts.

      • NewBearInTown

        “A successful draft lands you 2-3 starters.” NFLPhilosophy wrote recently that the average draft has slightly more than 3 players in the leage after 3 years and like 2.4 after four years. 2-3 starters isn’t a successful draft, its a home run.

        • Depends on the quality of the starter.

          Another way to look at this: there are 32 NFL teams and 22 starters (really more like 25). Going with 22, that’s 704 starters.

          The average length of an NFL career is roughly 5 years, so that means roughly 140 starters enter the NFL every year. That’s 4.4 per team per year between the draft and UDFA.

          I know that’s a bit of fuzzy math, but still. Look at it another way: if you land all your starters through the draft and get 3 starters per year, you need those guys to start for a little over 7 years at that rate to fill everybody out.

          Bottom line is that 2-3 starters per draft is not an unreasonable expectation at all.

          • NewBearInTown

            Except that you’re not accounting for (1) players who stay in the league longer than 5 years, which is the case for most of the really good ones, and (2) players who do not do well on their first team, but catch on elsewhere. The players in group two are regarded as draft busts, but do fill starter roles, regardless of how well they play.

          • you’re right, many careers last longer than 5 years. That’s just the average.

            But if you want to be self-sustaining and fill most of your starting roles via the draft/UDFA, you absolutely do need to land 2-3 starters per year. They don’t all have to be stars (most won’t), but they need to be solid.

          • The way I see it, the 1st two rds a GM should ABSOLUTELY find starters.
            So AT LEAST 2 starters per year.

            The 3rd rd perhaps has the biggest bust/boom rate across the league. Maybe that’d be a good stat to crunch, how many 3rd rounder across the league start.

            But I have a feeling that MAYBE 50% (at most) 3rd rounders actually start.

            So 2 starters for sure, 3 maybe., so I guess over two years a reasonable expectation is 5 starters, with a PB mixed in.

          • I looked at top 10 picks a year ago, and only 67 of the 100 players drafted in the top 10 between 2000 and 2009 were 5-year starters. I’m sure it’s not any higher for the rest of round 1 or 2.

            http://www.dabearsbeat.com/2014/05/08/bust-never-rhymes/

          • BillW

            Top of your head question JWood:

            I think I read 11 of 20 Emery picks are still here. That means he hit on 4 out of 7 picks (essentially). Is that low?.

            To me that’s not an indication of a purge (yet). Though I would guess several of those 11 are here simply because you have to fill out the roster – and many may be gone this time next year.

          • I would say 2012/13 were both bad drafts. 12 is nothing but Jeffery and Shea, so if they both pan out as solid starters long-term then maybe you could call it ok, but they got literally nothing outside of that from draft picks or UDFAs, and that’s how you get depth problems.

            13 is Long, CornWash, and Wilson. That’s 1 starter and 2 reserves. Not good enough.

            14 is still up in the air.

          • Yeah, but I feel like reaching for QBs in the top 10 might skew that, but I get it.
            There’s a bigger bust rate than most fans want to acknowledge, but I still think getting a starter in the first 2 RD is still a standard most expect, esp if it’s the top half of the draft.

          • WR, QB, and DE all saw bust rates (in terms of 5-year starter not being a bust) of over 40%. OT and DT both at around 20%.

    • BerwynBomber

      Good point in regard to #3.

      In regard to #4, totally agree, which is why it is more about about Belichick than Brady in NE, even though Brady is also one of the best ever.

      In terms of last year, I would nominate Philly with Sanchez. They went — what? — 9-7 with him at the helm for the majority of the season. Maybe slight drop-off from Foles but very slight.

    • Pissed Off

      #1 agree except that our 32nd ranked D will win us any games? Vin Fangio cannot hand his hat on the D right now.

      #2 That is all around some funny shit dude

      #3 Need AJ to be healthy and see how he looks without Bmarsh next to him. Shea might be Ok…again need more time than 3 games

      #4 Jeff is right with a minimal number of exceptions….the main one being a team with a great defense which we do not have who can win you games with a backup QB in

      #5 I have no problem with using NFL players as NFL players….you know…playing them…if they are the best you have then use them

      • Irish Sweetness

        4. We went 10-6 with Orton, and he was a rookie. People can cite the defense he had, but QBs have defenses, hence the rationale for building a top defense. They win titles.

        POX will put together a good defense, that’s why that brought Fangio in.
        WE’ll be Sweet, and we’ll e spending less on a QB than most teams in the league over the next three years – just shy of 14M a year.

        Thing is, what are they going to do with all the extra cash? Can’t give it to Forte and then use him in a committee (which is what they would need to do to extend h career a bit). No point in giving more defensive dinosaurs a retirement payout like we did with Allen.

        BTW – the Raiders game is a perfect opportunity to let Fales earn his paycheck. Trial by combat, let’s see what he has. Let’s see how far that 134 rating comes down.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          they could give extra cash to Forte. Salary Cap is going to increase another 10-20 mill. next year also. and we will be swimming in cap space

          • Irish Sweetness

            We can certainly afford to bring back the Honey Bears, right Ginny?

        • Pissed Off

          Right and if our D wasnt about the best in the league we dont go anywhere near .500. Orton was horrendous and thats an understatement. We can unload Fales anytime as well. If he’s not good enough based on practice time etc to beat out the shitbird that is Clausen he cant be good.

    • CanadaBear

      Really disagree with you about Greene. He did absolutely zero with the Bears. Nada, zip, zilch. CD might be a good MLB? Not sure what you’ve been watching but he’s been awful. We may not know what a successful draft looks like for obvious reasons but we all know what an unsuccessful draft looks like and it looks like Glitchy’s last few years and every Emery year.

      Glad you’re back NB.

      • SC Dave

        I think we hope for CD since Fangio has him in the middle calling plays. But it could just be that he was dealt that bad a hand.

        And yes, Greene was exactly like Bostic. A no-show.

        • Trac

          In college, players can Excell on athleticism alone. In the NFL, that’s only part of what’s needed. You gotta be a big fish in a big pond to make a career out of the NFL.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Welcome back NBIT, drop in more often, yeah?

      Can’t believe you left Don Shula off the list of coaches though. At Belicheat’s winning percentage of .706 he would have to coach another 14 seasons at that level to sniff Shula’s record. 33 seasons is hard to do in an unforgiving league – and he was honest to a fault. Telling an asst. coach to throw away the Raider’s playbook they had found. They lost that game to the Raiders. Class.

      • NewBearInTown

        That is a good add. Shula belongs in the discussion. But its a different league now – more rules designed to create parity. The Patriots have been consistently near the top of the pack for over a decade. More than any other team of this era.

        • Cheating will help do that.

          • NewBearInTown

            You get a down vote for that one.

          • Goodell didn’t burn the tapes to help save the rain forest, that’s for sure. And a lot of teams treated entering Gillette Stadium like an Am spy traveling behind the Iron Curtain.

          • SC Dave

            Yes… parity assumes people play by the same rules.

      • BerwynBomber

        Funny, your bring up Shula in relation to Belichick because they are arguably the two “modern” HCs who showed they could win with different approaches throughout their careers, albeit Shula never quite won it all with Mairno. But both won with D heavy/O ground games, and both won with Aerial shows. Not many HCs do that. Usually they have one philosophy and stick to it.

        P.S. I’m always inclined to throw Gibbs name in the list of great HCs. Probably a low win total but won with three different QBs, among which one was kinda lousy (D. Williams), one was overrated (M. Rypien) and one didn’t blossom till late in his career (Theismann).

    • BearDown100393

      Tebow won a playoff game.

    • DaMurph

      Brady was the backup quarterback, had great success and never gave the job back to Bledsoe. No idea why Jeff would say that. Kurt Warner was the backup…two biggies there.

  • BearDown100393
  • Pissed Off

    How is it that you know Fox and Pace like Cutler? I mean I understand they must love him based on them trying anything short of selling their own children to get rid of him in the offseason but what else?

    • BerwynBomber

      Technically, he said Fox and Gase, but yeah I highly doubt AD has that sort of insider information. Moreover, even if Fox and Gase are, indeed, crazy about Cutler, Pace might be overriding the coaching staff’s desires at this point. For all we know, Fox may have wanted to keep both Allen and Bostic, and Pace said, “Sorry, but we are in purge/rebuild mode.” Same could hold true for Cutler at some point.

      • Pissed Off

        You’re right my bad on Pace/Gase. I guess I will stand with my comment in regards to Pace but it’s possible Fox likes Cutler, hell he went to a SB with Delhomme and while Cutler is significantly more talented than Delhomme I think Jake was more clutch in big games and in general didn’t shit the bed as severely and at terrible times in games (“Cutlered” as I call it)

        • BerwynBomber

          Delhomme had his one post-season year — CAR’s SB year — where he did the Eli Manning/Joe Flacco/even Mark Sanchez turn and really elevated his game in the biggest moments. But he also crapped the bed in a huge way in his last year in the playoffs — five INTs in one game.

          • Pissed Off

            And sad to say but I’d take a mediocre to above average guy like Delhomme was in his prime (which is cutlerish at times) so long as he’s clutch in big games, or at least big games once in a while, enough to get to the SB and have a shot to win.

    • Andrew knows because him and Jeff are Cutler apologists, and they’re projecting.

      It’s not as if POX did all they could to trade him away but found no buyers, or that they made a serious offer to move up for Mariotta.

      Sarcasm, off.

      That being said, SOME team will LOVE either Cook or Goff, and we can get a Ram’s type package if we indeed don’t like the QBs at the top. What I would do is trade down and get a pick for NEXT year’s 1st if that’s the case which can help us land a franchise QB in the next draft.

      Other possibility is that we draft Goff and have him sit behind Cutler for however long ala Favre/Rodgers.

      • BerwynBomber

        Or … or … we get someone to pick-up Cutty’s contract, draft a young QB, trade or sign a Sanchez/Fitzpatrick bridge guy, and with the extra money sign another McPhee and a secondary guy.

        • WP34

          I like the sound of that. Is it easier to have draft busts on high profile offense player, maybe because the expectations are so high, than go with a solid d pick. Though we have plenty of defensive busts, some still playing out like cd, fuller, etc…

          I’m sure someone on the board, has data on this like jwood or BigMike, etc…Is it easier to miss in round 1 on O or D, then round 2, etc…

          • CanadaBear

            Not sure if it’s easier but it sure is more painful to miss in the first.

          • WP34

            definitely.

      • Irish Sweetness

        I feel that they felt Cutty might come ’round. And it was looking very much like he had. We’ll see.

        In a perfect world, he would have had a healthy Kevin White, AJ, out wide, Tayo in for Ducasse (or at RT with Long at RG). Allen would have been benched sooner …. who knows what the record would be now. In that perfect world, A-Rod goes down in week one.

        • you are obsessed with Tayo. Geez.

          • DocNitty Ellipsoids Ornamental

            Irish has a practice squad type fetish every year.

          • remember when Michael Ford was the Bears’ best RB since Walter Payton and a better runner than Matt Forte?

    • BearDown100393

      Other than being intercepted and returned for touchdowns in each of his two games, what is there not to love about Jay Cutler?

      • Pissed Off

        Right….we call that being “cutler’d” and its especially true when it happens at the worst possible time, like say on a drive late in the game that could tie the score.

  • Sactowns#1

    Do we have ANY news on Jay and his injury?

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      he hurt his hamstring a couple weeks ago.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        “This just in…nope, nothing new.”

        • Sactowns#1

          The waiting to find out if we will be at all competitive this weekend is killing me! I am surrounded by Riader fans who, while previously dormant, are starting to come out like cicadas after a 7 year hibernation. And if you’ve ever been near cicadas you know just how annoying they can be… Raider fan is worse.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i always thought the constant drone from cicadas was soothing, it drowns out the voices in my head.

          • Irish Sweetness

            I love the sound. Funny that. It means I’m not in a cold-ass country.

          • That’s almost poetic, esp from a Penis

    • he’s day to day

      • BearDown100393

        He’s declared out for Oakland?

        • haha, if Cutler was in a wheelchair, Albino Lovie would say, “We’ll see how he feels on Fri.”

          • MB30SD

            So I don’t get the white lovie stuff. Erik texts me that shit all the time. Don’t get it.

            Check out fox’s career track record with turn around teams.speaks for itself. Dude was handed a fucking 1982 Toyota Corolla with everything falling to pieces. Let’s give thing thing a year or two.

          • CanadaBear

            I’ve always said he was a slightly smarter version of Lovie. Stand up guy, super conservative, can’t change his stripes to save his life.

          • Hey, Onyx Lovie took us to the SB and made the team cheer-worthy and perennial contenders (though rarely lived up to potential).

            But Fox treats the media a lot like Lovie, and much like Lovie, he seems to get out-coached in big games (hence, no SBs).

            I like him, even the fact that he hasn’t won any SBs to keep him hungry (catch 22) but really, I’m more pumped about Fangio and thus far, Gase.

            Sp Teams coach…not so much.

          • SC Dave

            1983 Corolla was a *great* car. I imagine the 1982 was pretty damn good too.

        • I have no idea. Was just making a joke about how Fox says everybody is day to day.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    I just have one comment.
    Charles Woodson hasn’t retired yet? Holy old balls, batman!
    The downside is, our active receivers CAN be covered by an AARP member.

    • BerwynBomber

      Not only that he made their game-saving INT last week and played with a separated shoulder suffered from the previous week.

      • MB30SD

        Yeah, the guy is still a fucking beast. Good for him.

        • BerwynBomber

          Only guy in league history to ever record 60 INTs/20 sacks in his career. Also at least one INT in 18 straight years, which second all-time to Darrell Green who did it 19 years.

          Having said that the dude is almost 40 and the OAK secondary is weak.

  • CanadaBear

    I’m asking a serious question. I just saw an ad from Stub Hub selling Bears vs Raiders tix starting at $110. Would any of you guys pay $110 to see that game? I wouldn’t pay more than about $25. I wouldn’t even consider $25 if my sister didn’t live in the city.

    • Sactowns#1

      We booked a trip to Chicago for this game before the season started. We have since canceled said trip. I will, however, be in attendance for the SD game.

      • CanadaBear

        I certainly understand buying tix before the season started. Same with going to a game with your buddies to make a day of it. Otherwise, how can they sell these tix?

        • MB30SD

          And he gets to meet me.

          The boobie prize

          (See what I did there)

          • CanadaBear

            After posting that, you’d better bring some boobies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Irish Sweetness

      I’d give the tip of my little finger to see that game in Soldier, C-Bear. And I’d be tearing up as soon as I got within sight of the ground. I’ve leaked up just writing that.

      • CanadaBear

        I get that Irish. It would be a pilgrimage for you. I haven’t been in Soldier Field since they retro-fitted the gigantic toilet bowl and started selling booze. Trust me, the old design wasn’t worth traveling halfway ’round world.

        • Irish Sweetness

          You couldn’t always get a beer?

          • CanadaBear

            Nope. It’s owned by the Park District and they didn’t allow booze sales until the ’80’s. We would always sneak it in and nobody cared. I had about a dozen beers in my jacket once when the guy at the gate said I couldn’t bring in the beer. We had to drive 3 hours to get to Chicago so I already had a good buzz on. I asked the guy, “what beer?” and he grabbed one poking out of my jacket. When he grabbed the beer a bunch of them started clinking under my jacket. He smiled and said “let’s go”. I enjoyed the rest of them during the game.

          • BillW

            Wow – I don’t remember that. I started going to Soldier Field in 1976 and I thought the Park District had an exemption for them even then. But then again memory fades. Though we brought in beer and other beverages as well.

            Wrigley always of course had beer and I even remember my Dad or Uncle buying a shot.

          • CanadaBear

            Pretty sure it was the game when Gibbs took over in Wash and was 0 and 4 or 5. I thought the Bears would smoke them. They got smoked and Wash took off from there.

      • Scharfinator

        I read tearing as in tearing up a sheet of paper, as in tearing it up with some booze. Then I realized you had a much more thoughtful post and felt bad about myself.

    • BerwynBomber

      Short answer, no.
      My guess is the scalpers may end up losing money this weekend; you know, sorta like hitting a scalper up halfway thru the first quarter of a game for which he still has tickets.

    • BearDown100393

      I’m debating if it is even worth having to sit and watch the 4 dozen fantasy football commercials during the broadcast.

      • CanadaBear

        Record and watch later. if you can avoid finding out the score it’s awesome.

      • Sactowns#1

        But you could win a million dollars!

    • NewBearInTown

      I have never gone to a Bears game because I have small children and tickets are usually $300+. I can’t justify the expense.

      If tickets are going for less than $100, I might try to make it this year. Win or lose, the Soldier Field experience would be awesome.

      • CanadaBear

        Good on ya NB. If the season doesn’t turn around soon (and I don’t think it will) I’m guessing you will be able to scalp some tix for next to nothing by the last quarter of the season.

      • DaMurph

        This could be the year for some under 100 tix.

        • this could be the year i jump from 1242 on season ticket wait list to 17. fingers crossed!

          • BillW

            I got my season tickets thanks to Wanny. Was on the list since 1976 all through the Ditka years. Got my tickets in my name Jauron’s first year. If Nessman didn’t do it for you, I’m afraid you may have a long wait.

            By the way, can’t you jump the line by buying PSLs from someone selling?

          • Went up 800 spots the last year of orton. People haven’t been jumping ship as fast since cutler came on board. As much as people hate him, they sure aren’t giving up their tickets.

            And yes, can buy PSL, but that’s a lot of money I’m not looking to spend. I’m in NYC, so i’d only go to 1-2 games a year. Not worth PSL for that.

      • BillW

        There will be tickets at far less than face value esp closer to the end of the season.

        6 home games left and my boys are considering putting up their tickets and calling it a year already. OF course they are married now and so it gets more difficult to justify the money and time for a day out.

        That said, I hope I never get so old that I actually don’t want to see at least one live NFL game every year. It just means so much to me on so many levels – not the least of which is memories of being with my Dad and/or Uncle at Wrigley, and each of my sons from about 5 years old up to now in their 30s.

      • Johnnywad

        If you wanted to see the Browns you can find tickets nailed to telephone poles surrounding the stadium for the taking.

        Not kidding.

        • tobijohn

          A customer who lived in Tampa Bay when the Bucs started out and had season tickets through work told me she would put her two tickets under the windshield wiper so whoever wanted them could just take them. A couple times she came back to her car after shopping and there were four or more additional tickets stuck under there…

          • Johnnywad

            Boy. That’s when you know things are bad. Free tickets appear with the ones you can’t give away.

  • Irish Sweetness

    Wow, shout out to Jim Carrey. Broke up with his girlfriend last week. She committed suicide yesterday.

    • BearDown100393

      Bears fan?

      • He’s Canadian, doubt it.

        • CanadaBear

          It’s not like he ever talks about being Canadian. I think most Canadians are OK with that!

        • BerwynBomber

          Think he meant the girl 😉

    • CanadaBear

      He was a lot more likeable when he was funny. Now he’s just an overbearing ass. He’s creeping into Tom Cruise territory (and I do mean creeping).

    • Jimmy Carrey read a commencement speech that was actually pretty stellar.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V80-gPkpH6M

      • Irish Sweetness

        Saw that a while ago – he’s a great guy. He’s into Eckhart Tolle and all that stuff …he has such a beautiful heart and mind.

  • Trac

    Hey this is trac’s daughter I just want to thank everyone for their kind words

    • CanadaBear

      We’re all really glad you’re OK. Your dad has a lot of friends on the board. Bear Down!!!!!!!!!!

      • SC Dave

        This!!!

        • Trac

          Just so everyone knows, my daughter will not be reading a single one of your posts. I just told her how great you guys were and she wanted to say thank you so if any of you homo’s want to blow more smoke up my ass, you’re wasting your breath. Hahaha.

          • CanadaBear

            FINE! The smoke blowing is no longer an option.

          • Trac

            Haha. Really learned a lot on the blog over the last few years. Some great people here.

          • BillW

            OK so I was just about to post and then read this. So I’ll save my smoke for someone else’s ass I guess.

            Peace Trac!

    • Yup, lots of prayers sent your way. BEARS prayers, the best kind!

      • CanadaBear

        And we’ve all done a lot of praying for the Bears in our lifetime. Esp now!!!!!!!!!!

    • MB30SD

      We were all VERY happy that you’re ok.

      Your dad’s a pain in the ass, but he’s a very good man. ; )

      • Trac

        Hahaha. No up vote for you, Sir!

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Agreed – Trac is a good dude, I just like flipping him shit.

    • DaMurph

      Glad your are doing better Tracette!

    • Irish Sweetness

      Aw, it’s getting misty in here again …. you heal up now, sweetheart.

  • “I also think folks have unrealistic expectations about what a successful draft looks like.” – NB

    I linked this before, but take a look at the Pat’s drafts with Bill and compare (sinc 2000). It might surprise you.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm

    And Brady was NOT a Bill pick either. Bill’s assistant convinced him that Brady was worth a shot in the 6th.

    • Trac

      Bellicheat has a simple formula. Trade players before the word gets our how shitty they are, acquire as many picks as possible, draft 2/3rds BPA, 1/3 for need. Other than that, he uses the same crystal ball everyone else uses. Common sense.

      • BerwynBomber

        You beat me to it. I would also add that they generally don’t overpay or overcommit even to guys who have proved themselves with the organization.

        I see that as one of the key differences between the Pats (best org) in comparison to, say, the Cheese (a top org). As an example, I’m not convinced the Pats would have given big contracts to either Nelson or Cobb. They would have let them walk and then plugged in some rookies or less expensive FAs and used the money they saved on more impactful rentals for their D. Pats org is brilliant at that.

        And yes somewhere Barb is smiling.

        • willbest

          Cheeses problem is nobody wants to go to the barren wasteland that is GB.

        • Irish Sweetness

          Come back Barb!

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        his formula is a little more complicated, spying, hidden cameras, satellite imagery, poor radio equipment, paying to have people food poisoned… oh wait my bad you were talking about the draft formula

  • WP34

    DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Wait, Cutler practiced? Weren’t the national guys calling it 4-6 weeks only three days ago?

    • BerwynBomber

      Hmmmm … never heard the 4-6 weeks. But thought I heard Scheffter report he would not play against OAK.

      • WP34

        good to know. thanks. At first it was 2 weeks, the somewhere I heard 4 -6 from some source.

      • BillW

        It doesn’t seem prudent to have him play against Oakland. I just wonder seriously if Fox will tell him to not try to tackle a defender if a situation like that comes up again. On the one hand, it sounds negative. On the other, it sounds like needed advice.

        • Pissed Off

          Unless we want a chance to actually win a game this year

      • Johnnywad

        I also heard it reported that the Bears were in talks with the Niners to bring in Kap. So who the hell is even worth trusting anymore? Better off to tune it out and see what shakes out. Unless you’re gambling on it. Then that’s different.

      • Irish Sweetness

        If Shefter was the HC, I’d believe him :o)

    • willbest

      Depends on how big of a pull. And Cutler always fights to come back early. When clay Mathews does it is 3-4 weeks. But then a pocket passer would need less time. He is going to get himself killed with that O-line though since his scrambling/read option stuff is going to be a no go

    • Irish Sweetness

      Here’s my feeling. Teh BEars opened up as 2.5 point dogs this week. Vegas know more than we do, because there’s no way Clausen has us that close.

      If Cutty’s playing, then I’m mortgaging my kids at 6/5 with ATL 4/11.

  • BillW

    Bold prediction for the rest of the season. We will not have the number 1 pick in the draft.

    Because things never work out well for us positioning in the draft it seems. Well,m not lately (it did when Urlacher came out).

    What I would hope for if we had the number 1 pick is that some team would be in love with Goff and be willing to trade up with us. Since it’s not a clear bet he’s Neo, I’d rather we have the extra pick or two.

    But the fact is, the Bears will be playing an easier schedule, the specials are going to be fixed, the pass rush will continue to improve, and Cutty will be back soon apparently. That lines up for the 5 or 6 wins most of us expected all along. Which is not first pick bad.

    • Pissed Off

      I would rather we have a good enough pick to take the top QB in the draft and use it to do just that. If we trade back for some more picks later in the draft we’re in the same situation and I’m sick of that shit. Do you think Atlanta is rethinking trading up for Jones and giving up those picks. Hell no. Trade away our 1st and 2nd every year to move up and take a QB until we get THE ONE. No one will regret it once we have him. A QB like that is worth many many 1st round picks to change the culture of a franchise.

      • Waffle

        PIssed Off, trading away the 1st and 2nd pick every year to try to bottle up a lightning bolt will get us a D that gives up 50pts a game thus negating any solid play from the O. See Bears 2013-2015 , that’s exactly what happened as the Bears missed on nearly every single top draft pick for almost 10yrs.

        • Pissed Off

          But if we would have hit on the right qb ( i don’t give 2 shits about other positions for this argument ) in 13 14 or 15 by blowing however many picks and the future was was bright because we had that luck or big ben or manning or whomever then who cares. We then have a few years to build up the d to make a run at the super bowl . I would love to be in that position where we know we have 10 + years with that franchise stud qb. How does this not appeal to everyone. Who cares if the d sucks for a couple years after we draft him.

          • Johnnywad

            Because there are two of them in the whole of the NFL right now. Brady, and Rodgers. Rodgers has won a single Super Bowl. One. And that’s while drafting fairly well along the way and not giving up their first and second rounder every year. THE guy you’re looking for, is impossible to find. Nobody knew Brady or Rodgers was THE guy. Rodgers was alate first round pick and Brady was a sixth. Its just not that black and white.

          • Pissed Off

            There are many guys that can win you a super bowl besides those two. I just want 1 of them

          • Irish Sweetness

            Hence why we should just stock up on good players, and find a good backup QB. Have people forgotten Cutty is on a seven-year deal, and that’s REALLY cheap in 2017/18?

    • BerwynBomber

      Lach. What a pick that was. Who the hell was the GM then? Lach turned out to be the best player in the entire first round that year.

      • CanadaBear

        Hatley.

    • Irish Sweetness

      Trading down – that would be a beautiful scenario for us with a pick in the top 3. Real value can be had. I can deal with Cutty for another three years if he really has turned the corner mentally. But if he’s healthy for the remainder then we’ll win a bunch of games after the bye. Not draft-friendly.

  • BillW

    Jeff:
    “Normally I’d say be conservative with Cutler injury. But what’s the risk? He misses a few more games? I don’t want to watch Clausen anymore.”

    Maybe that’s a good reason to rest Jay this week. Clausen plays one last time. Assuming he doesn’t improve, it will really be his last time. Fales becomes 2nd string and gets ready for the next week in case Jay can’t go. If Jay can, still Clausen is done and Fales gets 2nd string work.

    If Cutler plays and gets hurt again, then we see Clausen the rest of that game and probably yet again the next week (excuse being they didn’t game plan for Clausen as a starter etc). Once less week for Fales.

    Unless Jay is near 100% (unlikely) it’s best to get the Clausen idea settled in the negative as soon as possible.

  • N’Acho Libre!

    #Bears DC Vic Fangio on OLB reps now that Jared Allen is gone: “I think Sam (Acho) will play a good bit of the base stuff.” – Hoge tweet

  • TheBigCheesy

    Cutler Cutler Cutler Cutler Cutler Cutler Cutler Cutler. What a career it’s been. May it never end!

    • MB30SD

      you can be such a dbag dude. smh.

      • TheBigCheesy

        If only you could enjoy the Cutler saga as an outsider. It’s amazing.

        • MB30SD

          dude, we geeeeet it. trust me we do.

          I guess if you were a clown “go pack go” meathead troll all the time it would be easy to just dismiss you as another fucking redneck packers fan.

          But you come here to engage in real discourse… and we went to the same college. So when you go full meatball it’s disappointing.

          You should really just give it up and be a bears fan and be welcomed into the fold. you’re here all the time anyway.

          • WP34

            “you’re here all the time anyway”…as u said before: cheesy is a closet Bears fan.

  • BerwynBomber

    Black Uni fined for wearing cleats that were “too black” in SEA and is seeing red about it, claiming he has foot issues and the cleats in question are easier on his feet.

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/13781167/martellus-bennett-chicago-bears-angered-nfl-uniform-violation-fine-wearing-cleats-were-too-black

    The NFL needs to relax some of its military-like obsession with dress code. Remember, when Peyton wanted to wear black high tops in honor of the recently deceased Unitas — which was a cool as hell homage idea — and the league wouldn’t let him because of dress code? Dumb as hell.

    • BearDown100393

      Take it to federal court. The league will lose.

      • SC Dave

        And the Senate can call a special session to distract from yet another debt ceiling raise.

  • Trac

    So my 16 yr old son and I are driving home today and we’re reflecting on how women’s be cray cray and he says, “yup, women! You can’t live with em and you can’t live with em”. Hahaha. That’s my boy! Hahaha.

    • MB30SD

      “can’t live with ’em, and sheep don’t cook!”

      – the popular aussie version

    • willbest

      Japanese are hard at work on sex robots, and most men under 30 are better cooks than women under 30. They all seem to take special delight in being nothing more than a vagina, and then whine about men not thinking of them as more than that.

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    • SC Dave

      There goes that sarcasm font again!

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