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Wheels Officially Come Off: Bears Embarrass Themselves at Foxboro

| October 27th, 2014

It was infuriating to watch the Bears play the Dolphins a week ago. They lacked passion at Soldier Field that Sunday. They lacked guts. There is no more difficult experience for a sports fan than believing you – with a wing-sauce soaked beard and Guinness-foamed mustache – care more about the outcome of your team’s contest than the team itself. (This is the case far more often than fans know.)

There was nothing infuriating about yesterday’s embarrassment at Foxboro. It is impossible to be angry about a result so predictable. The Bears coaching staff was shown just how far they are from being able to compete mentally with the elite coaching staffs in the sport. The Bears players, especially their stars, were shown how stars are meant to perform on the grand stage of the NFL Sunday. The Bears general manager was forced to sit through another sixty minutes of his prized free agents, $15M of defensive end this season, donned their invisibility cloaks for the eighth consecutive week. Lamarr Houston removed his cloak just long enough to put the punctuation mark on this shambolic sentence.

The Bears right now are the most lethal combination in sports. They have star players not performing to their potential and a coaching staff unable to elevate the play of lesser talent. Calling them mediocre would be an insult to mediocrity.

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  • NewBearInTown

    Yup. People like to blame players for not executing, but when its a team wide problem, its probably the coaching staff. Tucker was solid for the first six weeks, so its not clear what happened on that side of the ball (maybe the lack of sack production started to irk some of the ‘leadership’). Joe D has frankly never been particularly good at getting decent specials play. And Trest… well I’m not sure what to say about Trest.

    Nobody is getting fired this week, but Trestman must know right now that he’s coaching for his job.

    One more question for the comment section… if Trestman gets fired today, who do you promote as the interim coach?

    • Scott W.

      Id nominate you, NBIT…but if yer busy, I’d take Jim Tressel over this bunch.

      • IBNO

        Jim Tressel will never coach again. Not with the cake job he has now.

        And you wouldn’t want him. He’s Lovie Smith without the defensive scheme.

        Trust me; I taught several Jim Tressel players. He would be a worse pro head coach than Steve Spurrier.

        • Scott W.

          I was practicing my facitious-alism with the Tressel quip, NBIT. However, I do note that you didn’t take yourself out of the running….

    • BillW

      Your question is exactly why Trestman will not be fired mid year.

      Agree with you that no one gets fired. It’s Rosenbloom-ish to think someone gets fired. Anger makes people want to see retribution, but that simply doesn’t fix the problem.

      But Emery knows his ability is being called into question. I suspect he had a long difficult talk with Trestman. But you can’t change people’s nature. Trestman is a different kind of leader – one not well suited for the NFL.

      • BillW

        Don’t forget the risk he took in letting Briggs skip out for his restaurant opening. And letting BMarsh be the only active player to be part of a national TV show. It’s a style he hoped would pay dividends – treating the players like grown men. But overall that doesn’t work.

        • NewBearInTown

          Funny that BMarsh is the one that’s actually trying to get the locker room to be accountable. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t, but Marshall is doing everything he can to be a leader of this team.

          • CanadaBear

            To be honest I just don’t think BMarsh has much influence in the locker room. Not sure why but I don’t see players following him. Cutler doesn’t have it. Garza is too quiet. Same with Peanut. Briggs doesn’t care. The washed up hillbilly would have to play about 10 times better before anyone listens to him. I think Ratliff would be a good choice but he’s pretty quiet, too.

      • one not well suited for this particular locker room. If you give him a team with a player who can keep everybody else in line, I think this style would work just fine.

    • Peanut FTW

      Trestman won’t get fired yet. Look how long they let Turner prod along when it was clear he was inept from the start.
      And to be fair, even if the stars would have performed, we would have just lost 38 to 66 as our Defense just didn’t feel like stopping Brady.

    • CanadaBear

      Someone not on this god awful staff.

    • AlbertInTucson

      The question is moot.
      Trestmen is not getting fired today, or in two weeks, or in three weeks or anytime during this season.

      • CanadaBear

        Totally agree. Do you think any of the coaches get skidded today?

      • Agreed. No better options at HC.
        I do think we should fire Tucker and DeCamillis.
        Can’t be worse there.

  • Peanut FTW

    To be fair about your tweet Jeff, the Packers best cover corner didn’t really do any better vs graham than Mundy vs Gronk.

    • I beg to differ. Gronk caught all 9 targets for 149 yards and 3 TDs.

      Graham caught 5 of 6 for 59 yards and a TD.

      Still very successful, because doing anything but doubling those guys is just plain stupid, but not nearly the same degree of success as Gronk had.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Graham was basically a non-factor in the first half if I remember correctly.

        • Viva

          If you are taking a double team, you may not get numbers, but there is a hole elsewhere…so you are a factor.

          Statisticians be damned.

          • MikeBrownhadaPosse

            Fact of the matter is, when Graham went off, the Saints pulled away. Decoy or no, in the first half, they managed to take him away…score is 16-16. Second half, he goes ballistic and the Packers get blown out by 3 tds.

          • Peanut FTW

            The real fact is, we are talking about Brady and Brees. Even if Gronk and Graham are covered up all day, those 2 will just find the open man regardless of the name on his shirt. Yes it seems more frustrating for them to hurt you but the reality is, it’s the same amount of points regardless of who catches the damn pass.

          • Viva

            I’m trackin.

      • Peanut FTW

        You have to watch games and not just compare stats. The Packers best cover corner was on Graham when he made a leaping catch in the end zone and in all actuality, Chicken Dinner was in better position on Gronk catch over him. Ingram was having his way with the Packers horrid run D, so they didn’t need to throw anymore TDs to Graham but they could have if they had wanted(Graham was also still ailing from an injury). Those elite TEs are simply not able to be covered by one guy, regardless of if it’s Fuller or CD, the end result would have been the same.

        • DaBearsBlog

          It’s not a matter of results. It’s a matter of approach. Packers defense isn’t good but they identified the most important element of Saints and put their best player to the task of stopping it. If Graham wins, that’s football.

          Bears covered Gronk with Ryan Mundy. Ryan Mundy is terrible. Shea McClellin didn’t win that one on one with Gronk, position aside, because he will NEVER win that one on one.

          • Peanut FTW

            Neither would Fuller. Half the plays Graham was out there he was simply a decoy playing with one arm anyway, so now you’ve committed your best D to a guy who is simply out there to draw attention. Seeing as the Saints dropped 44 on them and didn’t keep a banged up Graham out of the end zone, Id say the plan was a failure.

        • I agree with you there about 1 on 1s. Chicago’s game plan for Gronk yesterday was beyond stupid. GB probably thought they could get away with it because of Graham’s injury.

          • Peanut FTW

            I just don’t see what real choice they had. I mean if Peanut is healthy then I agree completely, you stick Fuller on him all day but when we’ve had 1st day off the pratice squad starters at LB, Safety and safeties playing Nickel Corner, I don’t know how many good options we had.

  • Couldn’t agree more Jeff. Football is won by great players making great plays. On offense, the guys being paid to be great are Cutler, Marshall, and Forte. On defense, it’s Allen, Houston, and Briggs.

    Of those 6, only Forte is playing great. You could add in Jeffery based on past performance and make it 1/7. That’s not gonna get it done.

  • Viva

    It’s Packer Week(s) and we are talking about our undisciplined flaccid team. Here are a few rules to follow in life:
    1. If you misdiagnose a problem you do not fix the problem. Removing one’s liver will not fix a ruptured appendix.
    2. Tom Brady will exploit your weakest link on D. All of the great ones will. Note to second stringers: look early and often, the ball is coming your way. How many 2nd and 3rd stringers did we see him exploit yesterday. (Linebackers, Corners, Safeties) My guess is Brady saw our roster and the smelled blood.
    3. Tempo is a combat multiplier. In football, tempo can be used to keep a D on its heels, so an O can exploit personnel advantages. The Pats used a hurry up to perfection yesterday by dictating the tempo of the game and it was decisive. Call a fucking timeout.
    4. Discipline: you either have it or you don’t. We had 3 drives stalled in the first half yesterday due to penalties. When we have to keep up with Brady or Vadgers or any other truly elite QB, let them overcome penalties.
    5. When you are down by three scores, and it’s 3 and fucking forever, and you are trying to win, don’t fucking run the ball. The law of averages can suck my dick. If you need 18 yards dial something up to get you there. Punting the ball to the Pats in the name of “field position” is and was futile. They score no matter where they start.

    • Scott W.

      Man, I think “Tempo is a combat multiplier” is one of the coolest sentences I have ever read on this blog.

      • Viva

        Thanks; however, I must admit that that is an axiom often repeated in military circles…

        • Scott W.

          I guessed that when I read it. I just was impressed as hell with how you used it here. Bravo Viva.

  • Viva

    I am more convinced than ever we need to run a 3-4 D. Applying pressure on a QB is fucking imperative. The best way to apply pressure is to disguise where it is coming from. The best way to disguise it, is to run a base 3-4.

    Fuck the Pack.

    • Peanut FTW

      A.) We don’t have anyone who is even a reach at 3-4 NT.
      B.) We can’t even field 3 decent LBs, how are we getting 4?

      • Viva

        Offseason fix, no doubt for the reasons you just laid out.

        • Peanut FTW

          In the offseason, I would be happy with a new DC. 3-4, 4-3 any iteration of either would make me happier than the steaming pile of gutless crap we are putting out there currently.
          Though I though Indy had a very good defense this year, other than pressure from the front four they have been very solid. But the Steelers made them look just as bad as our D.

          • Viva

            If Rex gets canned, I would hire him in a heartbeat as the DC (not to be confused with HC).

          • Peanut FTW

            With Trestman’s attitude, I think that would be an awful fit. If they fired Rex, he would probably be the HC in Tampa next year (BOOM)

      • SC Dave

        Ego maybe?

  • Viva

    Good Morning MB, GP, and Waffle.

  • Viva

    Fuck the Pack, with our flaccid junk.

  • Peanut FTW

    It was pretty fun to see McCarthy and Rodgers shit the bed last night. The getting overly cute pass to Peppers fail, the 2 picks and the really bad 4th down attempt were all pretty amazing stuff. The Lions win was horrible. I will absolutely never agree with penalties that can’t be declined. A penalty should never be a game saving event for you.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      No idea why that penalty isn’t one of the 10 second run-off ones. Seems illogical to me.

      • Peanut FTW

        The clock wasn’t running.

    • BerwynBomber

      The Detroit penalty could have been declined. The problem is that it would not have resulted in a loss of down and only resulted in Detroit kicking again from the original spot. The confusion or controversy over the play was the we believe saw an official play when in reality the play clock had expired before the snap of the first kick. In a sense, the first kick was like one of those where the HC of the opposing team calls a TO at the last second before the snap but the FG unit manages to run the play anyway. It was not an official play.

      • IBNO

        The competition committee needs to visit the whole “offense getting a second shot because of a penalty” problem. Happened to the Bears in the first half when they stuffed the Patriots on the 4th-and-goal, and turned the game around for Detroit. If a holding penalty can push a team back on touchback-kickoff, or a defensive encroachment on a PAT gives the kicking team 5 more yards on the kickoff, then an offensive penalty on a play (that isn’t whistled dead and stopped) should enable the defense to benefit by accepting the outcome of the play.

        • BerwynBomber

          But my suspicion is that both plays (Detroit’s first kick and the Pats fourth and goal try) were indeed whistled dead but both teams played through the whistle. Mind, it is only a suspicion but that is my guess what happened in both instances.

          • IBNO

            Yeah, but we see quite often that the refs don’t blow these sorts of plays dead. And rightfully so. I think that only when there is an obviously unsafe situation (i.e., a false start or encroachment so obvious that half the players don’t move, which exposes them to injury) should the officials blow the play dead. I think it’s unfair that offenses get “free plays” when a defensive player jumps offisdes, but if an offensive player jumps, more often than not the play is blown dead. Except when it ISN’T blown dead, and then the best can happen for the defense is the 5-yard penalty and the offense gets the down over.

            To me, it’s almost as bad as a 15-yard foul knocking a team back less than 2 feet from the 1-yard line. Teams that get penalized should get half the distance immediately, and then the next possession, the penalty yardage that wasn’t assigned should be tacked on (e.g., get moved back 5 yards from the 10 for a 15-yard personal foul, then the next possession you walk back 10 more yards from the spot and have a 1st and 20 to start).

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t totally disagree but if we are talking rules committee stuff it would be pretty far down on my list and even then I would want more time to consider it. My biggest issue would be to change PI from a spot foul to a fifteen yard penalty, a’la the college rules.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            maybe just calling PI and defensive holding when it happens. enforce the rules they got.

          • Peanut FTW

            I just think you do away with all non play penalties. You flag the violation. At the end you sort it out. False starts, motions, delays; everything is treated like an offsides. You let the play develop then let the team decide to take the penalty or not. In that way no penalty is ever going to help your team. I have seen false starts and illegal snaps give possessions back to the Offense too many times and BS like the Detroit game that they should treat them all like offsides. Throw the flag and don’t blow the whistle.

    • BerwynBomber

      McCarthy has always been an overly cute/questionable play caller. Remember that one Cheese game where they tried that disasterous punt return lateral and almost allowed us back in the game?
      Rodgers looked mortal after tweaking his hammy. Will be worth watching in two weeks.

  • TheBigCheesy

    After further review…

    The Bears Still Suck!

    • IBNO

      I know you’re the resident troll and I shouldn’t feed you, but since I’ve read you post here that you like coming here for the actual intelligent posts and conversation, I have to ask: what the fuck is wrong with you? If you really LIKE posting here and conversing with the regulars, how is shitting on a plate a good thing?

      Seriously, grow up.

      And don’t brag after your team getting pantsed by New Orleans. The Bears might be sinking, but Green Bay is taking on water. You’ll be lucky to see a home playoff game, and unless Aaron Rodgers pulls some magic out of his ass, Green Bay will be one-and-done once again.

      Not to mention Green Bay is an Aaron Rodgers injury away from being worse than the Bears.

      • BerwynBomber

        Yep, and the Pack’s Run D is even worse than ours; in fact, it is last in the entire league.

      • TheBigCheesy

        It’s Packer Week, homie. I say it every time!

        • IBNO

          I don’t care that you say it every time. That you come here, where you say that you value the discussions you have, and say it, is just plain stupid.

          And not “so stupid it’s funny” stupid. Just plain stupid.

          Like Patriots fans applauding and laughing at Houston’s injury stupid. Yes, Houston shouldn’t have showboated, etc., etc., but you just don’t applaud when someone gets hurt. That’s a douche move.

          If you were just a garden-variety troll, fine, be a douche. But you say you’re not here to be a douche, and yet you act like one anyway.

          Congrats, “homie,” you’re a douche.

          • TheBigCheesy

            I said I’m not here to be a douche?

          • IBNO

            Hey, if you own your doucheness, good for you. How’s it feel to be the douche who comes to an opposing team’s site to be a douche? Must be fulfilling. I guess whatever you can do to fill in the void between picking up large women who smell of cheese and failure.

          • TheBigCheesy

            It feels pretty good

          • stats3599

            Who cares when and what is said. Nothing in here should ever be taken personal like I think you might be taking it. Cheesy says what he wants, big deal. Lots of Packer bashing in here too. Frustration of what is on the field is the biggest problem for all bear fans first and foremost not what any fool says.

    • stats3599

      sorry but after yesterday, Thye dont suck, THEY SWALLOW!!!

  • IBNO

    I have a metric fuck-ton of comments I could/would make, but ultimately they all boil down to this:

    I’m sick of seeing the Bears on the losing side of blowouts, especially to Green Bay and New England. Trestman’s offense should be much more potent, period.

    But Sunday’s debacle began and ended with the defense. New England has a HOF QB, a damn good TE, and… not much else. #26 in the league, according to the graphic Fox put up at one point. There’s no way that offense should’ve hung 40+ points on the Bears defense, even with scrubs and subs in.

    I know Atlanta is a sinking ship, but I don’t understand how a defense that looked so good in Atlanta sucked it up so badly with just Fuller out. That is all on Tucker, and by extension, Trestman.

    Finally, I’ve been waiting for McClellin to become worthy of his draft status and redeem Emery, whom I think has made a lot of really good decisions and only a few poor ones. No more. I’m done with McClellin.

    And, for the most part, I’m done with the Bears this year. I’m looking for another team to throw my support behind for the rest of the season, and hoping that the Bears get their shit in order for next year. This is actually an OK thing, as I’m going back overseas soon-ish.

  • Trac

    I Agree 100% with Jeff and to me it’s obviously the players on the field are in a trance.

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    All I can say at this point is….Go Trail Blazers!

  • Trac

    I don’t subscribe to criticizing the competition when we are worse than they are. We have no right to point at any other team but the Bears. Tresty’s days are numbered. Countdown starts today.

  • Sactowns#1

    I think my favorite part of yesterdays game was seeing Houston injure himself celbrating a meaningless sack. Pretty much summed up the futility of the game.

    • IBNO

      If I were Cliff Stein, I would put a clause in every contract that would give the Bears an “out” if a player injures himself while celebrating.

      All that said, if he tore his ACL (like the Detroit guy) on the celebration, it was probably gonna go at some other point.

    • CanadaBear

      I was laughing like crazy. it was the perfect statement for this game.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        It made me glad that I only had the radio feed. And I turned that off by halftime.

  • wreckinball

    Trestman is coaching for his job. Mid season firings never work out. One exception would be to give someone already on the staff a shot at it. Don’t think that exception applies to the Bears.

  • Sactowns#1

    I shudder at the thought of another slow growth period while people figure out a new offense, coaching style etc.

  • Well, I wanted a bad ass LB to jam the shit out of Gronk at the line before letting him trot downfield. But the problem was, we don’t have such LB. On that big 40 yard play, the Bears did indeed jam him on the line BUT the Dline allowed Brady to sit back there untouched for too long, and eventually Gronk (or any rec) gets open if given enough time, so on D it was a breakdown on many levels. When schemed properly, execution failed, but mostly it seemed like both wrong scheme and execution.

  • BerwynBomber

    Blogfather just tweeted Cutler’s meaningless QR from yesterday’s game. If Jonathan Wood is still around, this is where I would argue that QBR does a better job than the more traditional QR in its rating metrics. In regard to QR, Cutler had a rating that was 25 points higher than Stafford’s yesterday, but anyone with half a brain would conclude (rightfully) that Stafford played a decidedly better game.

    • Bernsy

      The QB position is meaningless against teams that will score on you on every possession and never punt.
      Miami, Green Bay and Patriots stats if added up would make people realign their frustration to it’s appropriate targets.
      Trestman is not utilizing Marshall and Jeffery like he was in 2012,2013. Patriots use very creative playaction to get quick passes into their WR’s, TE’s and RB’s. Trestman is not even using Marshall on crossing routes anymore which is tragic because that’s how Marshall became legend. Quick slants to Alshon? Nope. Fake a screen once in a while and hit Marshall or Jeffery? Nope. It’s very frustrating to watch.

      • BerwynBomber

        You’re still defending Cutler at every turn. My post’s intent was not to bash him. It was merely a follow-up to a discussion JW and I had last week about QR vs. QBR.

        • Bernsy

          No, I completely agree that stats can be misleading, especially with QBR and QR. I’m with you. I just look at games like yesterday and laugh because even if the offense puts up top 1 or 2 type scoring averages you still lose by 2 TD’s. It was just a brutal game all around.

          • Bernsy

            the Patriots schemes were designed to address our weak points and it was painfully obvious that they did their homework well.
            They muscled up on our WR’s and dared the refs to call it or us to take shots. There wasn’t one back shoulder pass yesterday and not one the week before that. Trestman can’t stop calling aggressive plays that would burn a team in tight man coverage.
            The A Gap super blitzes down deep in our zone that resulted in almost consecutive sacks and a fumble by Cutler were ballsy and they worked. Forte missed both times on his block and Cutler should have just taken the sack instead of trying to make a play.
            It was a beautifully executed gameplan by the Pats.

          • CanadaBear

            You knew with 10 days to prepare we were fucked. Bellichick cold out coach Nessman with 1 day to prepare.

          • Bernsy

            McDaniels probably had a perpetual smile on his face watching our linebackers and safeties on tape as he prepped the gameplan….while we refused to go back shoulder, over the middle, use slants, etc. UGGGGGHHHH.

          • BerwynBomber

            QR and QBR are the best we have right now. (JW can speak to each a helluva lot more knowledgably than I can.) But a couple things that QBR does is take into account fumbles and the context of the game when stats are posted; hence, it can view Cutty’s second half as pretty much empty calories. The problem with QBR is that it can also be too arbitrary and subjective. Yesterday it was more accurate than QR but that script can also be flipped. I would say both are fairly indicative 85-90% of the time.

          • Bernsy

            No system out there takes into account the football context in which something happened. No system accounts for a breakdown that led to a breakdown.
            I will continue to use stats and ratings but with a very healthy dose of the smell test and eye test.
            I’m still going to watch every game and think we can sneak a 9-7 record in there but this doesn’t seem to be the year that will get a 9-7 team into the playoffs.

          • BerwynBomber

            I don’t know — 9-7 still might snag a WC and it looks like (for now) that it might win the NFC South (not that that helps us). The problem for us is that we have to climb over two teams in GB and Detroit, and we trail the latter by three games. Thus far, the Caldwell Kittens are not looking like the Shorts Kittens — they’ve seemingly cut down on their level of knucklehead plays/penalties and are winning games they used to lose.

    • QBR does a really poor job in blowout games because it adds extra weight to how well you perform in the 4th quarter of close games.
      In a game that was over by halftime like yesterday, it’s pretty meaningless.

      • BerwynBomber

        Right, but that’s just it. It wouldn’t overly value what happened in our second half yesterday but would highly value what occurred the last quarter of the Detroit/Atlanta game. Anyway, I get its flaws but I thought yesterday it did a better job of assessing Cutler’s and Stafford’s games than QR. Mind, it’s just two isolated QBs and QR might do a better job overall but yesterday I did notice it as it pertained to us and Detroit.

        • I believe QBR ranks everything equal except 4th quarter of close games, so I don’t think Cutler’s passer rating and QBR should be all that different to each other, relatively speaking (will be different numbers, as they’re on different scales).
          Without looking to verify this, I’m guessing QBR will underrate just how great Brady was yesterday because he didn’t do it at the end of the game.

          • BerwynBomber

            It rates clutch indices both positively and negatively. Hence, it devalues passing yards/TDs at a certain point in blowouts (and of course highly values them in close game in the 4h Q).
            In terms of Brady, not necessarily … he had the highest rated QBR after R-berger.

  • As the Bard stated, “Something is rotten in Denmark.” But what?
    1. Trestman? Antiquated and predictable WCO?
    2. Tucker? Ineffective defensive mind who can’t diagnose talent.
    3. DeCamille? See 2 but w specials
    4. BMarsh? Are teamates rolling their eyes when he speaks?
    5. Cutler? Is a “game-manager” a better option in this O?
    6. Briggs? Is his Fat Lambo act cancerous?

    Yes, it’s a “team” loss, but it seems like SOMETHING dramatic has to happen to restore some semblance of accountability and proactiveness.

    I don’t advocate any radical at this point. Gotta ride with Trestman and Cutler (till the end of the season).

    I would fire Tucker, promote someone with-in (I doubt any coach worth his salt would voluntarily board a sinking ship)
    Fire DeCamille, (see above).

    The bigger issue is problem #5. Someone joked that Cutler needs to wear a visor cuz he’s still staring down his targets like a rookie. He’s still holding the ball at his hips. Still back-pedaling throws. Still not seeing coverages, or going through his progressions fast enough, and when a team doesn’t know who their leader is, then add lack of “leadership” to the rest. I can’t name one contending team who’s QB is not the leader. Even Wilson in his rook year became an unequivocal leader on the Hawks.

    I donot believe Emery is the problem. You can’t say this team is not talented, esp on O; Emery has provided some talent on D too (besides Shea) theoretically. None of hated the Houston signing. Young was a steal. Fuller looks like the real deal. Ratliff is still very effective. Jennings is still there. Paea is flashing.

    It’s just that they’re all inconsistent, underperforming, from top to bottom, and THAT I blame on coaching.

    • Oh, and needless to say, on D.
      Bostic-Sharpton-Jones )Gotta find out what LB we need worse next yr)
      Allen-Pea-Rat-Young (We’re stuck with Allen)

      Not much we can do in the secondary given our injuries (besides trade for a S from a losing team, but aren’t WE a losing team?)

      • BerwynBomber

        What do we have to eat if we dump Allen after this year? Btw, hate to say this, but despite the Cheese crapping the bed last night, Peppers looks better than Allen.

        • I want to say we’re stuck with Allen for 3 years, give or take, or at least 2 without a MAJOR cap hit. Here’s a decent site

          http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/chicago-bears/

          But this year, esp with the Houston inj, I think we def need to stick with Allen. Also, Allen does provide some leadership, which is desperately needed.

        • CanadaBear

          Everyone looks better than Allen. He looks like an older version of CD at DE.

          • Bernsy

            haha, well said.

      • CanadaBear

        The trade deadline is tomorrow afternoon so I really don’t see us trading anyone. Unless we were sellers there is no reason to look at a trade. This season is done. A trade at this point would just be polishing a turd.

        DJ was giving his all yesterday but he’s just too slow. CD actually made a play yesterday and then took the rest of the afternoon off. Jones is trying and Sharpton was too until he got hurt. The back end is a nightmare. When you stop and think that we really haven’t had many injuries to the DB’s (Peanut, which was kinda predictable) and now Fuller. Conte is in and out and only useful once in a while. Mundy was a backup on 2 teams that are not known for letting talent get away from them unless there’s too much money involved. McCray is a life time special teamer, Vereen is a 4th rd rookie. The other scrubs are special teamers (McCinnis) or street free agents (Hurst and Louis-Jean). Emery did a terrible job of filling out the back 7 on D.

        • We might be sellers, which I wouldn’t mind.
          It started in the off-season choice not to keep Bowman. Just a head-scratcher.

  • If you’re looking for something more radical:
    Trade Cutler AND Marshall to the Jets/Texans/etc (They’re a pair).
    Trade for Sanchez or someone along those lines (If you want to see Clausen, OK) just to see how high we need a QB in draft.
    Fire Tucker/DeCamille.
    Keep Trestman and see how he does the rest of year.
    Getting some picks would entice possible new Coaches if Trestman gets fired after this season
    But given that BOTH Cutler and Marshall just signed, the cap hits would be to prohibitive
    But hey, it is a “modest proposal”.

    • NewBearInTown

      Interestingly enough, the Jets can afford those hits. Because you brought it up, this is what we’d be looking for for that trade.

      Cutler probably carries the same trade value as when got him – two firsts and a third.
      Marshall probably would be good for slightly more – maybe a high second rounder straight up.

      So you want Idzik to give us the Jets first, second and third round pick this year and their first round pick next year for our QB and #1 receiver.

      Whatever you gain by getting draft picks, you lose by trading away your franchise QB. The only thing that saves you there is if you get the overall #1 pick. I don’t see any of the candidates for that spot trading it for Cutler.

      • there’s no way a 31 year old Cutler carries that much value, especially with a big contract like that.
        You’re looking at a mid to late round 1st and a 2nd or 3rd, IMO (conditional on team/individual success). Alex Smith got 2 2nds when SF dumped him.
        With the way Marshall is playing right now and his age, I think you’re doing well to get a 2nd for him. Most likely a 3rd, with a conditional pick anywhere from 3-6 based on his performance.

        • but it doesn’t matter, because that’s not happening (and it shouldn’t).

      • BerwynBomber

        Cutler won’t carry the same trade value now. “Potential” at 25 is a different beast than “potential” at 31. Plus, he arguably looked better coming out of Denver. That was where he had his one Pro Bowl season.

      • If the Bears had wanted to go this route, it would have been last offseason. Tag Cutler, trade him to the highest bidder, re-sign McCown to the same deal Tampa gave him as the veteran/mentor, and draft a young guy to be your future. (not gonna lie: I was pretty intrigued by this option, though they re-signed Cutler before I really had time to consider it much).

        They made their bed with Cutler, and now they’re lying in it. Half a season where he’s the same QB he’s always been, albeit slightly better statistically, is not going to change that.

        • Bernsy

          he’s at the top of the league. there are other factors at play. Last year it was, “the stats aren’t good enough” now it’s “the stats don’t matter, he’s not good enough”.
          Can’t have it both ways. The fact is that the overall team is not effective.

          • BerwynBomber

            Cutler is second in the league in TOs with 12 (tied with Geno Smith). Blake Bortles leads with 13.

          • Bernsy

            Context is key for every stat i’d think. Is it ok that Mills got beat off the first step and a fumble resulted? Is it ok that Forte got beat off the snap up the middle on a blitz and helped cause a turnover? If those were fumbles that Jay recovers or another teammate recovers it does it make it ok that those plays happened?
            Context……

          • Bernsy

            I don’t know why Cutler fumbles result in turnovers and a guy like Wilson with 6 fumbles has none recovered by the other team. I don’t know why Cutler INT’s get returned like the opposition is like Deion Sanders and other teams just throw picks. I can’t explain it. I don’t know if it can even be explained.
            Let’s see how the season plays out.

          • CanadaBear

            On the picks, some of the guys are spectators, some are going for the big hit/strip and the others can’t tackle to save their lives. The fumbles always leading to turnovers seems more like bad luck than anything but who knows. Maybe our OL is oblivious when it comes to fumbles.

          • Dangling the football hip-high never ends well.
            On some plays, Cutler just tries to do too much (like yesterday). He did the same thing vs the Pack? when he threw it with his left hand going down, avoiding the sack which would have cost the team 3 points before the half.

          • rickyp024

            So true. He is everyone’s scapegoat. He has played pretty well this year, all things considered. He doesn’t call the plays, and he doesn’t play defense. Yes, he turns the ball over more than one would like, but this lost season isn’t on his shoulders.

  • CanadaBear

    Anybody besides me think Bellichick took Gronk off the field as part of a mercy rule? I don’t doubt he was dehydrated but if the outcome had been in doubt (sorry, I just made myself laugh) I’m pretty sure Gronk would have been playing.

    • Mercy on me in FF.. Frank was starting Gronk, and Gronk already had 41 points!

      • CanadaBear

        I shudder to think what the score might have been if Bellichick kept his foot on the gas.

    • Exactly. He was hurt enough to leave about a quarter before any of the other starters.
      I’m sure if it was a close game they could have put him back in, but why bother?

      • Scharfinator

        Either Mercy or a smart decision from Belicheat to limit the snaps on his brittle, but very talented, TE.

  • I have a theory about the offense: Trestman made it a big point this preseason to say he was gonna spend more time in the defensive meetings this year.
    Yet he’s still calling offensive plays. Does he have too much on his plate? Is he not spending enough time with the offense to make intelligent play calls?

    • I think I might like to see him cede all D duties back to the D coaches and focus just on offense after the bye.

      • CanadaBear

        I don’t think that has anything to do with it. I think the league caught up to him and he hasn’t adjusted.

        • he’s had offensive success everywhere he’s calling plays for 25 years. Including CHI last year.
          Then he starts focusing on D more and the offense drops off. Maybe it’s a coincidence, maybe it’s not. Seems pretty easy to test the hypothesis and find out, one way or another.

          • It’s not the 90s anymore though, and all due respect to Canada, that league is no indicator.
            What I feared is that we were trying to emulate the 2008 Saints, when the league has changed, and Trestman hasn’t.
            Another possibility is that Cutler has regressed, and that this system is better off with a low-risk low-reward type like Alex Smith.
            Could be both too.

          • I agree, there’s no guarantee this is what it is. But it’s an obvious variable that has changed, so why not change it back and see if it helps?

          • SC Dave

            Agree. The other variable is promotion of kromer to oc

          • Bernsy

            The types of pass plays being called are very different right now. I’ve posted recently that Marshall underneath, Alshon and Marshall back shoulder, Alshon slants, Marshall slants, etc are extinct. It sucks. The playcalling sucks.

          • CanadaBear

            The only indicator I took from his CFL career was he could win it all with the best QB in the league (by a lot). The rest was hoping.

          • BerwynBomber

            I forget what was Trestman’s last NFL OC gig prior to the Bears? Was it the Raiders?

          • CanadaBear

            Went to the Dolphins after the Raiders. Then did some consulting work for the Saints. Then off to Canada.

        • Yup. This possibility was in the back of my mind in the PS, but I didn’t
          want to think pessimistically, esp when given all the data to date
          pointed to continued offensive dominance.

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)
    • Peanut FTW

      Personally, I did really well in science and math and Ebola still scares the ever loving out of me. They say how hard it is to spread but then they go shut down two restaurants and a coffee shop in New York because a doctor visited them that day. They visit every infected persons house in Outbreak gear and burn all their stuff.
      It doesn’t scare me that the professionals are becoming infected because they have risk and they know enough to quarantine themselves. What scares me is how easy it would be for someone who is low risk gets infected and doesn’t realize what they have when they become symptomatic. Then it’s game on and all those stats won’t mean shit when it’s in all the big cities within a week.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        You’re confusing the converse for the contrapositive. The study is says if you did bad in math in science then you’re more likely to be scared. It doesn’t say if you did well in those subjects then you won’t be.

        • Peanut FTW

          The only example they truly note in the article is one in reference to loose statistics. I am simply pointing out that current numbers don’t fully envelop the concerns that people have about Ebola. Therefore, even people who understand the current extreme probability against contracting the virus could still be scared.
          Further, this would mean that people could be scared or not with no regard to their mathematical skills and render the entire study and article, pointless. Like this reply. 🙂

          • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

            I’m just fucking around man. Thought it was funny. Whatev….

      • AlbertInTucson

        Can you say “Pandemic”, boys and girls?

  • Jack Lacan

    Read through yesterdays comment list. It might seriously be time to use season tickets for book markers…

  • CanadaBear

    Houston and Slauson done for the year.

    • Bernsy

      Both huge losses.

    • I think we should move Mills to OG, and OLA to RT, but if Mills is still hurt, then Britton is in, even DeLaPuente. I actually think we got decent depth at Oline.
      The Dline, well, our Run D is improved, and Houston was part of that even though he didn’t get any sacks.
      I like Young, but not sure how effective he would be full time. He tends to disappear when he’s out there long. Maybe bring back Bass/Washington for depth? Has Paea ever played LE?

      • Bernsy

        are we calling Nate Collins?

        • Collins is a DT.
          Another option is Izzy. He was going to be a part of the rotation before signing Houston, Young and Allen.
          But if we’re going for upside, maybe Bass/Washington or more Trevor Scott (who looked good in the PS)

          • Bernsy

            I know he is, i was thinking that Young goes full time starter, Houston is not there to kick to Tackle, etc…..
            But i guess this just means that the rookies will be thrown further into the fire. I think Trevor Scott is hurt.

      • CanadaBear

        I saw Washington on the field yesterday. I’ve never seen Paea anywhere but DT. Totally agree about Young.

    • AlbertInTucson

      The pile just gets deeper and deeper…

  • Bears-4-Ever

    “The Bears coaching staff was shown just how far they are from being able to compete mentally with the elite coaching staffs in the sport.” Yeah no doubt, but aren’t we used to this already? Please rewind to Super Bowl XLI.

    Look, after watching these games up to now I have come to one major conclusion. We need a better Head Coach. Trestman might be a good coach, really, but I think it’s not possible for him to be a good BEARS Head Coach. Unless he suddenly lights a fire under his ass and comes out with some real passion and a take charge attitude, nothing is going to change.

    We got out coached Sunday. Yes our defense is sad and weak…but our Offense should not be…they just shouldn’t. Not with the weapons we possess on that side of the ball. So if it’s not the lack of talent what is it? Simple, lack of leadership and talent from the coaches. I was one of the first folks to say “give Trestman time” and “Let’s see what he can do”, especially how quickly the Offense turned it around last season.

    So what the hell has happened this season to make the Offense under-perform???

    It’s has to be the Coaching and it starts at the top.

    • Peanut FTW

      For the Offense – you spend all week game planning for how you will attack a team. For the Pats, I’m sure they planned to get Forte going to set up the playaction pass and score close to 30 points in an ideal world.
      Then you get to game day, your defense yields what 3 consecutive scoring drives, you have one bad turnover and suddenly you are down 38-7 at half.
      Your plan is fucking gone. Noone gives a shit if you run the ball when your that far down. Playaction is dead. Your only hope of a comeback is getting chunk yardage through the air and getting some stops and hopefully turnovers. So now you are basically set on your 3rd and long or two minute drills for the past few weeks to pick from. Cutler’s only pick was with 10 seconds left in a half and resulted in 0 offensive yards or points from NE.
      The offense was not the problem in the least on Sunday. The Miami game, shared blame. NE, no the D laid a fucking egg that nobody could of coached their way out of in the second half.

      • 3 consecutive scoring drives.

        3 consecutive 3-and-outs.

        both sides are culpable.

        • Difference (to beat a dead horse).
          We expect 3 long drives on our D.
          We DON’T expect 3 consecutive 3andOuts by our O.

          • Peanut FTW

            Look, even if the Offense scored TDs on two of those drives. We’re down 38 21 at half, NE doesn’t take their foot off the gas or Gronk out and beats us 65-34 and that would make everything okay? Because that is what would have happened. Even if we scored on every other possession, they were allowing them to score at will.

          • Does it make everything OK? No. But this isn’t an either/or prospect.
            It would have shown that this team could compete. If the score was 65-34, well, no one’s talking about dumping Trestman and Cutler today. Everyone would be focusing on how to fix the D.
            But part of the reason the D is getting scored on IS the offensive ineptitude. No D can withstand 3andOuts and turnovers consistently.

          • Peanut FTW

            20 – 24 pts is usually a good measuring stick. If you hold a team to less than 20 points you should win most of those games. If you score 24 or more points in a game, you should win most of those games. Obviously, doing both is preferred. 🙂
            With the pay this O makes, there isn’t much of a reason we shouldn’t score 30 points. However, when you allow 31 points defensively in the first half. It is very doubtful that even Peyton Manning and (insert your ideal coach)is going to dig you out of that. People were missing tackles, blowing assignments, it was ridiculous. During one of Gronk’s TDs he literally threw the defender aside. Cmon Man!

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Don’t misunderstand, I am not blaming the Offense side of the ball for the loss solely. No, Our defense is a shambles and with NO defense yeah, you’re going to lose. But with no defense AND no offense…you have zero hope. My main point is that our offense should NOT be playing as bad as it is…we have the talent, That’s why I’m pointing at the coaches. We need someone who can use the talent we have and score 30 pts a game. Period.

            Do we have the talent to do that? Yes, we have the players. Does our Defense need help…BIG TIME.

          • Peanut FTW

            I agree that we got out-coached as well. I am just saying that when you go into a game planning around running the ball and using the threat of the run to set up the pass, and at half your down 38-7; it kind of puts a huge wrench in all your plans offensively. And that while it might of made a few people feel a little warm and fuzzy, losing 66-44 is the same as losing 51-23 to me. Neither game is close and anytime the other team scores more than 40, your D shit the bed and is to blame.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            I do agree, our D is very poor. Given the choice between an offense that can play in a shootout and a defense that can shut down an offense, I’d take the defense. Hell, we went to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman as our QB and Lovie as our non-adjusting coach. Why?, because they both were riding on the mighty shoulders of our bad-ass D.

            Damn, I miss that defensive dominance. It’s going to take 2 more drafts to get a consistent crew on D of that caliber.I hope, anyway.

          • Trac

            Hey Peanut? Did you play football?

          • Peanut FTW

            Only in high school so not really.

          • Trac

            So it’s prolly been a while? With this team, a guy can choose any side of the ball and go to town on it for the sheer professional negligence that is self evident to the casual fan. It’s pathetic, mmmkay. .

          • Peanut FTW

            I know. It is just hard to watch a Bears defense be absolutely pathetic and allow teams to completely steam roll them on every possession. And then see people complain that we only score 23 points. Are you fing serious. The only thing that stopped the Patriots at 51, was the Patriots and your going to bitch about the offense?

          • Bears-4-Ever

            We bitch about the offense because we already know our defense blows. BUT our Offense should be scoring….and they are shitting the bed, they should be playing better than they are. There is no easy answer for this…gonna be a long season…sigh.

          • Trac

            This offense knows that this team is on their back and they have failed to do the heavy lifting. Back in the day our D willed victories with Lach and company. That’s what fans were expecting from our O. Is that a reasonable expectation by us the fans? Absolutely because with the talent on the offense they look like the Rex Grossman/Ron Turner Bears and we’re pissed.

          • right. wait. i can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or saying it’s all the O’s fault.

            both shat the bed.

        • Peanut FTW

          You have to be able to rely on your D to get the ball back when you have some issues getting the O going. No one is going to score on every drive, unless they are playing our D.

          • conversely, you have to rely on your O to give the D a breather if they’ve just given up a long ass drive.

            why does the O get a pass if they can’t complete a pass, but the D, whom we all knew were suspect coming into the year, has to carry the team?

            these are the high octane 2014 bears. the onus is on the O.

    • Trac

      A couple weeks back I sugested Trestman just let Cutty sandlot a game. Just throw away the playbook and tell Cutty to call the game on the field. It’s not lIke it would be any worse than what we’ve been doing.

      • Bears-4-Ever

        I would be all for that…but if you were Trestman and you let that happen and you beat GB in their house 35 to 21…that would just prove that you were not even needed. I would love to see Cutty call his own plays for just a half…it would reveal a lot.

        • Scott W.

          Yeah, it would. It might even give me pause in regretting letting Kyle Orton go.

      • Peanut FTW

        I think that is what you saw in the second half vs the Pats.

      • IBNO

        I’d be for this. It would be the truest test of Cutler. Yeah, he’d probably call a shit-ton of go routes, but at least the ball would be moving downfield.

  • Just heard the Emery/Trest presser.
    In summary: they like Shea at SAM. Blame the horrible D on inexperienced CBs. No one’s getting fired. No one’s getting demoted. Nothing to see here. Carry on.

    • CanadaBear

      What’s to like with Shea at Sam? Who’s fault is it we have inexperienced CB’s (and safeties and LB’s)? Yeah, PE I’m looking at you. Same with CD at SAM. Looking right at you PE.

      • I wonder how much is the coaching staff though?
        It’s a symbiotic relation (Sharpton came over because of Herring. Bushrod cuz of Kromer, etc)
        The Shea debacle I’m blaming more on Emery though. It’s like he has sentimental value with him, like a person’s first shitty car.
        I also do blame not going after a S more aggressively in the offseason, but he wanted to desperately fix the Dline, which is understandable.
        What no-one expected was SUCH a dramatic fall off by Allen. And the almost total ineffectiveness by Houston.
        Plus, the inconsistency in DT. Ratliff gets 3 sacks in one half, then disappears. Paea disrupts, then disappears. Shapton, Greene, Jones all flash, but then get exposed.
        And naturally, I do blame PE for NOT going with Arians, but that’s a whole nother bag of worms.

        • Scott W.

          *ahem* I actually decried the Allen pickup when it happened. Who couldn’t tell he needed to drop on the Vikings depth chart already? And we pick him up for a few billion and start him? Why did we let Peppers go if that was our answer? Yes, yes, yes…cap space, blah blah blah….but those 2 moves were a complete wash. Made zero sense then, makes no sense now, will make no sense tomorrow.
          As for Shea………god, what a waste. That they DEFEND him in the presser is revealing as hell. He is NOT a starting SAM. He’s not a DE. He’s not anything but Gabe Carimi, on the other side of the ball. It’s all he is, all he ever will be.

          • Bears-4-Ever

            Amen Brotha!

          • I expected a bit of a fall-off, but not total off-the reservation. He’s been avg double-digit sacks for nearly a decade. But we HAD to get rid of Pepp. Allen might suck, but at least he’s trying (which might be worse).
            But yeah – it BLOWS my mind that both Emery and Trestman can defend Shea with a straight face. Hub should have thrown a shoe at them GW Bush style.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            do you guys actually believe any front office or HC is going to call out any player in the middle of the year? It rarely ever happens. That is the fastest way to piss off the rest of your players and lose any hope of keeping a locker room together. Even the other week when Tresty made a comment on (i think) Marshall he quickly backtracked.

          • IBNO

            Let’s not go overboard with Carimi. He was fine. The old regime screwed him up, rushing him back from injury and then torpedoing his confidence to the point that the new regime couldn’t trust him, and then it was all downhill.

            McClellin is 100% Phil Emery, though. McClellin and Hardin vs. Alshon, Kyle Long, and Kyle Fuller. Jury’s out on Bostic… so for the first 3 rounds of his first 3 drafts, PE is hitting almost .500. Great in baseball… not so great in football.

          • Cormonster

            Carimi was never good against the pass, even in college. He got exposed all the time. He was more of a road grader.

          • IBNO

            Yeah, that’s why he projected as a RT (despite playing LT in college). He could’ve been fine, had he not been wasted by bad coaching.

            I can’t remember–and I don’t want to look it up–but was Martz the OC when Carimi came in? If so, there’s all the explanation you need there. Martz wasn’t much of a coach.

          • Cormonster

            Don’t remember, but it didn’t help when the Saints took out his knee hisrookie year. That was the bounty year. Bennett also went out that game.

        • IBNO

          Inconsistency is the hallmark of substandard coaching. Either by scheme, playcalling, or motivation, the reason why a player flashes one play (or one game) and then disappears the next is because the coach isn’t doing a good enough job.

          • I couldn’t agree more IBNO.
            One can argue that Houston was better on the Raiders, and Allen on the Vikes.
            So, did Houston just collect a check and check out, and did Allen just get old in one season?
            Neither are out of the realm of possibility, but I would argue it’s more coaching.
            Young is a nice rotation guy, but he too can’t dominate an entire game. That’s why we’re so frustrated.
            And it’s not only on D either. The offense is like a hot chick who one day wants to be all over you, then the next totally blows you off. Fuck, give us one or the other!
            Give me a cute chick who’s not fuckin bi-polar!

        • CanadaBear

          I had a long post that I lost so I’ll try to be more concise. Shea is here because PE can’t admit a bad pick. Hanging onto him just makes it worse. Cut your losses and move on. Briggs and Peanut getting hurt this year shocked none of us. PE should have factored that into the roster. Houston is a run stuffing DE we over paid. Allen needs to bulk up in the off season. I heard him say he knows how to get ready for the season. Big difference in training between 25 and 35. If he doesn’t do this in the off season he’s cashing pay checks, period. Greene is clueless at times and tentative at times, not good. Jones looks like he will be around for a few years. Sharpton’s issue is staying on the field, FUCK. Mundy is a slightly more athletic version of Steltz. Conte is Conte and Vereen may turn out OK but he’s nothing you can count on right now. Once Fuller went down we were totally exposed at CB. I love Jennings but he should be your #2. Fuller looks like a great pick. McCray and McMinnis are ST’ers and not much else. Hurst and Louis-Jean are street FA’s. Horrible roster on the D. That’s on PE.

      • Scott W.

        Nothing. 100% of nothing. He’s a mistake they can’t bring themselves to admit. That’s the best thing I can say about him.
        As a person, I’m sure he’s a great guy. For that matter, so is my neighbor. It’s amazing that they keep pushing this guy, and even defend him at least thrice a year in pressers.
        You know, just 3 days ago, I declared here on the blog I was going to sit back and enjoy the rest of the season, relax, expect nothing, and just accept whatever happened then get on with my day. I snapped by the middle of the second quarter Sunday. Completely snapped. I haven’t been that pissed off at the Bears for years. Many years.
        I’ve heard all the arguments over and over and over again. I’ve told myself Jay is trying his best, that Trestman/Nessman needs more time, on and on, ad infinitum ad nauseum. I used to try and calm folks down when they went off like I have since yesterday.
        Now, I’m a full believer in a complete overhaul. I see NOTHING to suggest even a smidgeon of optimism. I was once SO revved about how Marshall was having his off season camp, how smart Trestman appeared to be.
        Now, I would fire every one of them without batting an eye. Cutler has had plenty of time to level off and be what some claim he is. When we got him in the trade, I remember this board just exploding like the 4th of July and Christmas all happened in the same second.
        Now, I’d give him back to Denver for some t-shirts and hats. And I would send Trestman to anywhere. Shea? Practice squad. The Raiders practice squad, that is.
        My question is, how stupid are we, and for how long will we be stupid? Really. When do smart people start running this organization? Near as I can tell, we have one guy with smarts, and he’s the contract man. Everyone else? They are a wrecking ball. They should backup to their paycheck every week. I’m sick of the milque toast pressers, of Lance Briggs, of Mel Tucker, of DeCamillis, of Emery, of the galactic idiocy/apathy of the McCaskey’s, of Jay Cutler, of Jared Allen stealing money from us every week, and I’m sick of rationalizations.
        By now, we should be contending. We should be a damned good football team, and we completely, 100% suck. No, wait – not 100%. Kyle Long and Matt Forte, along with Bennett, are great. So is Kyle Fuller.
        There are a couple more that bring it, but that’s it.
        Cheesy is right. The Bears DO suck. And I’m sick of it.

        • johnnywad

          You’ve expressed very well why I intended to quit it all for good yesterday. But I can’t. This team, the blog, its like Meth. I want to move on with my Sundays, clean the gutters and paint my bathroom. Can’t do it. In thirteen days, I’ll have convinced myself somehow, the Bears have a chance to beat the Packers at their place. I’ll sit down with nervous optimism and a cold beer. And an hour later I’ll be ready to kick the neighbors dog. Why? I have no fucking idea. But here we are.

          • Scott W.

            Welcome home Johnny. I swept the thumbtacks outta yer seat, and then stuck them in my forehead.
            Yer right. Here we are.
            But I ain’t going anywhere either. The bitching here is world class.
            Really great to see you home.

          • johnnywad

            I want to be there when they turn this thing around, whenever that is. Hopefully its sooner rather than later.

          • WP4Life

            i had to laugh bc its true for me as well

          • CanadaBear

            Oh yeah. That’s one good thing about being an old fart. I don’t get that mad anymore. I’m totally into it while i’m watching it but rarely even swear unless they are awful. Lots of swearing yesterday. Once the game is over with, I’m back to normal in 5 minutes or less. Even tough losses.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          had to laugh at this line “As a person, I’m sure he’s a great guy. For that matter, so is my neighbor.” because i remember the media interviewing neighbors of serial killers. always saying “He is such a great guy, i just can’t believe chopped up 43 people and ate them.”

  • Peanut FTW

    I think I have a great new Offensive strategy.
    1.) You don’t run the ball outside of short yardage packages.
    2.) 1 or 2 of your receivers on every play are to get 5 yards downfield and make contact with a defender.
    3.) Teach all O lineman to lean their head into a defenders hands.

    This will maximize the chance that you will get a free play on every snap of every possession and simultaneously move the ball down the field with no actual skill required amongst your players.

  • Well, if we’re hurting at CB, maybe this guy? Don’t know much about him though.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/27/chargers-part-ways-with-richard-marshall/#comments

    • Peanut FTW

      Well, I think the chargers have been pretty decimated at the corner position by injury. So the fact that they are cutting him seems pretty bad.

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    I really want to know who threw the helmet, only out of morbid curiousity.

    • BillW

      From the last thread I posted this:

      The thing I haven’t read about yet is his fumble. He had the ball tucked in his left arm and then took it out like he was trying to shovel pass or get an incompletion (as he was being sacked).

      I don’t think that stuff is fixable. I really don’t.

      Didn’t see the press conference so I don’t know if he was asked this. But that’s when the helmet throw happened.

      • IBNO

        Yeah, I don’t know what Cutler was thinking. Other than his team was down what, 31 points already in the first half and he had to manufacture something?

        Virtually every time Cutler does something stupid like that, it’s because he’s pushing and trying to do it all himself. It’s stupid, and yet not all his fault.

        Plus, you know, like the TV crew agreed, the refs should’ve blown that play dead because Cutler was in the grasp & control and could’ve been injured by the play continuing.

        Not that it would’ve made a difference in the end score, but there were multiple plays that the refs decided in favor of New England. Revis PI in the end zone. Gronk pushing off (OPI) in the end zone. The delay of game on the Pats 4th-and-goal that got stuffed, letting them kick a chip-shot FG instead. Take the Cutler fumble (should’ve been blown dead, or maybe even called an incomplete pass), the Revis PI (that Lynch said, “Hey, I’m an old DB and even I think that should’ve been called”), and the FG, and that’s 17 points of swing in the final score.

        • Cormonster

          IBNO, what kind of classes do you teach? I’ve been curious for quite some time.

          • IBNO

            Depends on the school. Social science, everything from Political Science to Sociology to Geography. I’m gonna be a bit vague, sorry. I actually had a student find me on an online discussion board once, due to something I posted that was nearly verbatim from my class PowerPoint.

          • Cormonster

            I’m guessing State Department, maybe working at an Embassy?

  • johnnywad

    Anybody got any Kool Aid?

    • With our record, we’re almost guaranteed the best MLB, S, a top 3 DT/DE/CB.
      On offense, we can definitely get a top 4 OT, who we can start at RT immediately.

      In the later rounds, we’ll have first dibs on special teamers.

      • IBNO

        Let’s scheme this. At this rate, Bears finish what, 7-9? 6-10? Ahead of Raiders, Jags, Bucs, Atlanta, Jets, Redskins, Giants, Vikings, St. Louis, Tennessee. So a mid-round pick, maybe top third.

        Safety is the #1 priority. LBs are a definite need, yeah, but this season shows that Safety cannot be shunted aside again.
        A serviceable RT can be picked up in FA.
        1 Safety
        2 MLB
        3 CB (depth or nickel)
        4 DE
        5 Center
        6 Fat ass RB
        7 Fast little Steve Smith clone for slot WR

        • To me, MLB and S are equally as important. MLBs who can fly and call defenses are very important, and I think Emery goes by the classic draft board of valuing (that’s why he drafted a CB over the top two Safeties this past draft).
          Still need to build the lines too. I still want a fat space-eating DT to allow the LBs to fly and for goaline, but those can be had in the 4rth or later.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            I think MLB should be our top priority. No one on this defense is even close to being a top notch MLB much less a top LB. Also MLBs are defacto leaders which this team desperately needs. i would rather get burned deep occasionally by bad safety play than see players having a field day all game in the middle of our D.

          • I agree. And If we have a top 10 pick, we can def land a Mack/Keuchly type player.
            Just gotta hope this year’s crop of LBs is deep or studly at the top.
            That’s where lady fortune kicks in.
            Haven’t begun my scouting, but after the Pack game, I might start early.

  • Cormonster

    Well, one player had a good game yesterday. Forte had a typical 168 yard performance. He’s been the only consistently good player on the team. He’s on pace (barely) for a 2,100 yard season. That should get him to the Pro Bowl.

    Forte stats watch. He moved to 78th all time in yards this week, passing Charley Taylor (HOF) and Harold Jackson. Next week he should pass Keyshawn Johnson, Bobby Mitchell (HOF), and maybe Charlie Gardner to move up to 75th. Any of you old timers remember Taylor, Jackson, or Mitchell? They were all before my time.

    • Scharfinator

      He’s a true professional in his prime. I almost wish he played for someone else so he could get a ring before it was all said and done.

      • Cormonster

        It took Payton until his 10th year to get a ring. Maybe Forte can get one in the next 3-4 years.

    • Cormonster

      Forte stats part two:

      At Forte’s current pace, he will move up to 63rd all time in yards with 11,689 by the end of the year. He will have passed over 40 players just this year. There are a LOT of players bundled between 9,500 and 11,500 career yards.

      In comparison, Adrian Peterson had a total of 11,812 yards in his 1st seven seasons. If Forte stays on pace, that will be just 123 yards less than Adrian, a little over a yard difference per game. One advantage Peterson has is a lot more TD’s – 91 to Forte’s expected 59. Forte’s numbers have shadowed Adrian’s for the last 3-4 years, but Peterson obviously gets way more attention in the media.

      The only active players ahead of Matt in yards are:

      1) Steven Jackson – 14,601(11 seasons)

      2) Reggie Wayne – 14,000 (14)

      3) Andre Johnson – 13,266 (12)

      4) Steve Smith -13,259 (14)

      5) Frank Gore – 13,230 (10)

      6) Anquan Boldin – 12,016 (12)

      7) Adrian Peterson -11,905 (8)

      8) Larry Fitzgerald – 11,873 (11)

      9) Maurices Jones-Drew – 11,030 (9)

      The only guys in the same ballpark with Forte, who are similar age and # of seasons, are Peterson, Drew, Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, Lynch, Jamaal Charles, Shady McCoy, and Arian Foster. Who knows if Peterson will ever play again. Same goes for Rice, but he already looked washed up last year. Drew, Johnson, Charles, and McCoy are all having very down seasons. Forte has never had a down season. Lynch is playing pretty decent, but he takes a beating. How long can that last? Foster is playing great.

      My point is Forte may be the best, most reliably consistent back of his era.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      other consistently good players on the team: Paea, Young, Fuller, Jennings, Ratliff. Bennett

      • BillW

        Alshon? I haven’t really isolated on him. Maybe he’s not getting open either.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          He is below his standard and potential.

      • BerwynBomber

        Long and Bushrod have both been above average lineman. And the entire O-line has proved itself pretty deep, not including Mills’ struggles.

        • That’s why I’m not as worried about Slauson.
          Kromer had a specific vision with the Oline. He implemented a philosophy, drafted or told Emery exactly who to get, and coached them up.
          This required a specific blue-print and execution.
          This is something which Tucker and DeCamel did NOT do.

  • BillW

    Glad you are back Johnny.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    Trestman shouldn’t get fired. Who thinks that… just stop.
    The truth is that the ball now passes in Emery’s hands. He can’t change the fact that the Bears are dysfunctional losing franchise, but he still has moves to make. Moves I fear he will not do. Reality is they lack the bad cop. Emery has to become that man.
    As for the franchise, the Chicago Bears might be the worst run franchise in the NFL. It’s pathetic. The owners shouldn’t run, because they are incapable of doing so, not even a pizza joint.

    • BerwynBomber

      Worst run franchise in the NFL? C’mon. That’s silly.

      • BillW

        I agree. It’s hard to realize when we are mired in this that there are 31 other teams and most of them are bad too.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        it is silly. when the league contains franchises like Jets, Jags, Raiders, Browns.

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          These are as badly run as the Bears, but we’re talking about the Chiacgo Bears here, not some expansion or small market team.
          PS: I don’t think the Jets are run badly.

          • IBNO

            Idzik?

            The Jets are a circus.
            Not to mention the Browns and Raiders both have some tradition of excellence (granted, in the distant past now).

            The Bears aren’t badly run. The roster was hamstrung by JA, and Emery hasn’t had time to fix it–nor has Trestman had time to prove himself a success or failure–especially when his first pick in his first draft was a total whiff.

          • Barb UMihai Mar

            They are a finesse team that plays on wool type crappy surface in a small stadium that charges the most expensive prices.
            That JA dude was a GM for ages. That actually makes my case.

    • BillW

      “Trestman shouldn’t get fired”

      Ever? Or midseason? Or until contract end?

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        He’ll be the HC next year. You’ll sent him packing only for an elite coach like Harbaugh.

        • I actually agree with you here. We can’t just fire Trestman for some chump.
          It’s gotta be a special coach to clean up this toxic refuge.

    • Scott W.

      No. I am not going to stop thinking Trestman should be fired.
      I’m not going to stop thinking Jay Cutler has failed, and I’m not going to wish Emery more time to do your mysterious 2 or 3 things.
      I’m sick of the endless excuses/reasons/bullshit.
      I’m not asking for the ’85 Bears. I’m not asking for the ’06 Bears.
      I’m asking for the ’14 Bears to put up or get the flying fuck out of town.
      Now. Not next year. Now.
      Their presser was insulting to every Bears fan living or dead.
      “I told the team we are paid to win the game, not play the game”.
      I wonder if he said that as the thought occurred to him.
      I used to defend Jay Cutler to anyone, even though I wasn’t all that sold on him from day 1. He was our QB.
      I am sick of trying to understand what/who Jay Cutler is or should be or never was, and I’m sick of hearing the word “guru” after Trestmans name.
      It is long past put up or shuttup time. These people are either good at their job, or they aren’t. It’s not complicated.

      • wreckinball

        He’s Jeff George

      • Barb UMihai Mar

        I’m not talking about the 85 Bears or gurus. I’m talking about finding the guilty party in Trestman when he is just a part of the problem. Emery doesn’t do things that way.

  • BillW

    Random comment on QBR:
    I feel it should only be calculated when the game is being contested. That’s subjective of course, but everything that happened after it was 38-7 really didn’t count for anything.

    • IBNO

      There is a stat that is computed that weights attempts/completions/TDs, etc., greater when the score is close/competitive. The NFL “Total” QBR:

      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6833215/explaining-statistics-total-quarterback-rating

    • BerwynBomber

      QBR has what is called a “clutch index”. Hence, while Cutler had a traditionally high rating in QR (108, I believe) his QBR was a little below average (below 50). Conversely, Stafford had a very pedestrian (even low) QR (78 or 79), his QBR was above average (in the low 60s). Basically, QBR devalued a lot of Cutler’s second half, and highly valued Stafford’s comeback. Btw, last year Jay ranked higher in QBR than QR but this season it is the reverse. My suspicion is that last year his QBR received boost from those early season game-winning drives. Pluses and minuses to both ranking systems, IMV, but their fairly indicative 85/90% of the time.

  • BillW

    And one more point before I’m out for a “business meeting” –
    The presser was scheduled long before the game yesterday, I believe. Really they have not had enough time to fully discuss what changes need to be made. I don’t expect anything major – certainly no firings or even noticeable benchings – but it’s way too close to the game to expect any announcements.

    I thought it odd that the Emery press conference was scheduled for the Monday after a game, and then realized that he didn’t plan on saying anything of note anyway.

  • Let me put it another way.
    With this D, we will always give bad teams a chance, and always lose to good ones.
    With this O, we will always give bad teams a chance, and get blown out vs good ones.

    Add aweful specials, and no home-field advantage, plus injuries, and it’s going to be a Viking-esque season, except they at least admit that they’re rebuilding.

  • On an #FF note. Congrats to Ender for not only winning his first game, but for scoring 200 points! Rapelisburger dropped 57 points in that league. God Damn. There’s not even a 500 yd passing bonus in the ESPN format, or it would have been more.

    • EnderWiggin

      I will not quit on this season.

      I’ve made some mistakes (That falls on me, OK?) and I am ready to correct those mistakes.

      I have faith in all my players that have been acquired but the process to acquire more players is ongoing as always.

    • Trac

      I’m in 1st place in the first league you set up. Woo hoo!

  • ChiBears34

    The difference between the Nile River and Trestman and Emery? The Nile River is 4,258 miles long, Emery’s and Trestman’s press conference today, they made 4,258 excuses why the Bears are not performing! Accountability is truly lacking, more worried about being politically correct. The best the Bears will perform the next eight games is 4 – 4, I honestly think it will be 3 – 5, same as the first half of the season, next!

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      that’s an awful joke. besides what did you expect them to say.

  • GP, where are you? I’m laughing my ass off cuz you’re relying on a Cowboy punter to beat Tobi!
    Never before, nor ever again, will you cheer for a punter so hard lol

  • wreckinball

    I think after the debacle that is this year is over they will be able to trade Cutler

    Jets maybe Houston if they tank 2nd half maybe Tampa

    Someone will be desperate enough I hope

  • wreckinball

    Feels like the mid 70s only there were absolutely no expectations then

    Is there a Walter in the draft? That would help

    • SC Dave

      Enjoy Forte while he lasts

  • wreckinball

    Yeah agree RB wouldn’t be what we need but maybe a Reggie White or Urlacher would be nice

  • Romo. Down. Doesn’t look good. Right in his surgical back.

    • johnnywad

      Well there goes that run

      • Trade Cutty to Cowboys? If anyone wants to make a splash, you know it’s Jerry…

        • johnnywad

          I have no clue. I’ve always been a Cutler guy. Even now, I keep hearing his numbers are up. I’ve now moved to the middle on this one. I have no fucking clue what I’m seeing or how to fix it. Show me the path and I’ll take it. Is Clausen any good? I doubt it. Help me.

          • I think the cure is what I suggested long ago. Ride Forte, limit Jay.
            But that’s hard to do when the D is giving up so many points. Still, not too late.
            HOWEVER…if Jerry wants to wheel and deal…

  • johnnywad

    Henry Melton. Henry fucking Melton. Goddamit. I want Marinelli and all good ex bears back. Henry and Rat would look pretty good in there together right about now. Especially in the wake of Houston going all Grammatica.

    • Melton is looking very disruptive tonight.
      But to Emery’s credit, he was trying to keep Marinelli and Toub. They just wanted out once Lovie was gone.

  • Scott W.

    You know, it’s one helluva commitment, being a Bears fan, and a commenter here.
    So much time goes in to trying to figure out the team, and here in the board, I look for answers and direction all the while scrawling my own on the wall.
    Now guys are leaving or taking breaks, the team is in complete disarray, and I have started wishing the whole coaching staff would get fired, our franchise QB would get traded to the CFL (stop, I know that isn’t possible), and I am in shock over how bad our defense is.

    What I really want, all irrational demands aside, is for this team, the one we have, to actually just start showing up, and fighting from play to play to win. I actually don’t think the world ends if they lose. I am just stunned/disgusted by what I see is either indifference or incompetence or both.
    You can be less good at your job than your competitors, but still be in the fight with focus and gusto.
    That’s what has me so rattled. We aren’t even in the game right now, and it baffles the living shit out of me.
    I just do not get it.

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