• MB30SD

    Konichiwa bitches

    • SC Dave

      Dooonnnt caaaarrrrrrre

      • MB30SD

        uhhhh…. whateves.

  • bearsfantillend

    Jeff, did Goodell suspend you for half a day?

    • DaBearsBlog

      Four hour suspension for failure to believe all the bullshit he says.

  • MB30SD

    Like I posted on the last thread… I personally think it’s all BMarsh. He get’s back to normal and so does the O.

    • I thought yesterday was the breakout game. He was invisible. He practiced in full all week, so what gives?

      • MB30SD

        exactly. did the ‘negative’ press get to him? and now it’s a mental thing.

        This offense is predicated on mr. bmarsh, don’t believe me… just look at tape from last year. I was very vocal when people started throwing out there that alshon was our real #1 that that was bullshit.

        I totally believe that this O and cutty are predicated on bmarsh’s ability to get 1st downs and TDs. Like you said, he’s been invisible for what, 2-3 games now… and so has the O.

        As bmarsh goes, the o and cutty go. Hopefully he can turn whatever he’s got going around (either his ankle or his head, or both) and this O gets a jumpstart.

        I’m calling it right now. Bears by 14 this sunday. BOOM!

  • Butch Bears’ Manifesto,
    Only slightly less coherent than the UniBomber’s. (Yes, TLTR)

    Well, the realization crept in a bit with the Bills, but hey, it was the first game. Maybe they were still breaking up the crust in their eyes.
    Then losing at home to the Packers. Well, completely inexcusable, but we always lose to the Pack, so no biggie, right?
    Then, the Panthers.
    Well, that’s’ pretty much it. I made up my mind:
    The 2014 Bears isn’t worth investing my emotions in.
    They just aren’t. We are the 2013 Lions, and if you can use the verb, “They’ll Lions themselves” We can equally use, “They’ll Bears themselves”. What do you think “Bears still suck” means? It’s accompanied with a chuckle, the same chuckle we reserve for the Lions.
    And it’s because of Cutler.
    No one outside the Bears believes he can win when it counts. Heck, many BEAR fans believe that too, and lamented the fact that the Bears were essentially black-mailed by circumstance into extending Cutler. Some “radicals” wanted to keep McCown and let Cutler go, but these are the same guys who pass out DeLaRouche pamphlets at community college.

    This whole Trestman Bears era is built on a false premise: Cutler can be as good as Brees, Rodgers, Brady.

    We imported Kromer and his offensive line scheme and input to emulate the Brees offense.
    Can anyone see the massive crack in this foundation? Cutler is not, nor ever will be, Brees.

    That offense is predicated on the OFFENSE (not D or specials) making the knock-out blow in critical moments. Cutler, in aforementioned critical moments, is as likely to melt-down as he is to make a spectacular play. We ALL know this. We ALL hoped that Trestman could change this, but I think we must now admit that’s who Cutler is. As the poem goes, “That which we are, we are.” Brees can make it work with Jimmy Graham and a bunch of scrubs. Brees can elevate them.
    Cutler needs to be carried by two pro-bowl WRs , PB HB, Elite TE, and proficient Oline, and he’ll STILL throw it into the gut of a DT, or overthrow Alshon in the end zone, or remain oblivious to a safety sitting in the zone, or etc etc…

    That won’t win football games, not the way the Bears are built, not when most of the assets are invested in the offense with crumbs left over for defense and specials.

    The Trestman Bears need to change the paradigm.

    The Bears need to stop treating Cutler like Brees and treat him more like Romo.

    What does that mean, Butch?

    That means that they should LIMIT, not “UNLEASH”, Cutler.

    Look at the Cowboys this year. They’re riding Murray to the ground, even though Murray is fumbling once every game. Just riding him to a nub to keep the ball away from Romo as much as possible. Sure, if they’re behind, they’ll let Romo chuck a few to Dez Bryant, or check underneath to Witten, or hit a few others, but mostly, they’re trying their damndest to keep the game out of Romo’s hands (literally). And guess what?

    It’s working.

    The Bears unfortunately aren’t quite built that way. The Bears’ Oline perhaps aren’t as mauling, built more for the pass than road-grade, but the Bears must try. They have a Probowl HB. They have a decent Oline.

    More importantly, they have Romo 2.0 so they MUST try to lean on the run.

    Needless to say, they must also invest more into the defense and specials, but at this point, it’s too late for that. That’s next off-season, but for now, the very least they can do is return to a run-based, boot/play-action style. This is also why I wanted a ramming rod HB, but I won’t beat that drum again.

    More importantly, Trestman NEEDS to realize that no amount of whispering will transform Cutler into Brees, and act accordingly.

    That at best he can become an Eli or Flacco who gets hot and rides the streak through the playoffs, but first, gotta get in, and the formula for that means LESS passing and LESS Cutler.

    • MB30SD

      I am starting to agree with some of this sadly.

      Not sure what happened to our passing attack that we saw all of last year and the first 3 games, but it needs to come back. THIS WEEK. So we disagree there. I def think we need to try and establish more of a normal pass/run ballance though.

      The d needs to get healthy and keep improving… and more importantly, they need to start getting turnovers again. If there’s one thing that will turn the tide, it will be that for the D.

      • But the D HAS been getting turnovers. They’re doing what we all hoped. Holding at certain situations with a few turnovers.
        The problem is our Offense, and more specifically, Cutler.
        This isn’t necessarily Cutler’s fault. I think Trestman is just asking him to become something he’s not.
        We got to treat him like Romo ’14.

        There is the other MAJOR possible flaw that Trestman is no Sean Payton, in which case, we have a knock-off Payton AND Brees, and Air Jordaches don’t cut it.

        • MB30SD

          I get it maings. To me he has to be given the year and to see how it all ends up. If we’re 8-8 and still sheite then I’m with you re: cutty… if we make the playoffs and cutty pulls some magic to get us there, well then….

      • SC Dave

        They had three fucking takeaways against the Panthers. How many should they need to get?

        • MB30SD

          easy there tiger.

          • Jokey

            He has a point. Their 3 takeaways has to be enough. It was an amazing team loss. If Gould makes the FG, they don’t have time to score – 10 point swing. If Forte doesn’t fumble. If our return team downs the kickoff. Did Cutler’s pick cost us 7? Everyone fucked up to lose this game. Not just the offense.

    • IBNO

      Not gonna respond to the manifesto, but here’s what I want to know:

      What’s different on the offense from last year, when it was so good and consistent? We see flashes, but nothing where we say, “THIS is a top-5 offense.”

      Injuries on the O-line (and then to the WRs) have really hamstrung the offense, I think. We don’t see the offense shitting the bed constantly because the offense is good enough to overcome the liabilities on the line–but not for entire games. Opposing DCs figure out how the Bears are compensating for the injuries, and mid-game adjustments confuse/overcome the backups pressed into service for the Bears.

      I think that’s it. I’m not ready to give up. I think if the offense gets its groove, this stuff is water under the bridge. I think if the defense ever gets the secondary sorted out and a consistent pass rush, ditto there.

      We’re panicking because we’ve seen this story before, and we drank the Kool-Aid thinking everything was going to be better this year.

      I’m here to tell you that the Packers were taking on water 2 weeks ago. Now the Bears are. This can be turned around. The fear is that it takes a motivational leader to turn it around, a guy with charisma and fire–and Trestman isn’t that guy. There is no character or obvious leader wearing pads on Sundays, so everyone panics that the Bears are going to not be able to turn things around. This is the mid-90s Bears under Wanny.

      But all it takes is a guy–or two–to step up. Or Trestman to find a way to right the ship.

      This is Trestman’s turning point. Will he be another Wanny, or will he be a Winner? We will see.

      • Trac

        There are two issha’s here.

        1. Cutty is not Bree’s. Uh….yup.

        2. The Bears can turn it around. Yes again.

      • MB30SD

        well said.

      • SC Dave

        TRESTMAN cannot lead on the field, where it all counts. CUTLER can, I think. He’s just not.

    • Trac

      Spot on butch. I will carry you to the hospital after Yonny strafes you. Mmm jay? Hee hee.

    • SC Dave

      Couldnt read al that on my phone, but someone yesterday pointed out we don’t stomp the enemy when down. I was in boa stadium sunday, and that was sooo it. The only people you hear in the place late 2 q were bears fans. A td to go up 28-7 and it would have been so over

    • TheBigCheesy

      The Bears Still Suck! Love it!

    • Trac

      But Butch, that’s not what the Saints do. Hahaha

  • IBNO

    So, what did I miss while I’ve been out of the country?

    Oh, shit. WHAT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HAPPENED TO THE SECONDARY?

    • MB30SD

      what secondary?!

      • IBNO

        Heh. From Conte’s re-concussed brain, I guess the Bears pretty much have been playing without a FS half the time.

        • MB30SD

          and a turrible nickle… not to mention a very good, but still rook starting corner opposite timmyj

        • At least Conte would have ATTEMPTED to cover Olson.
          Probably would have knocked his shoulder out doing so, but he wouldn’t have just let Olson waltz all over him like McCray.

        • SC Dave

          And the half was Sunday against the Panthers, when CONTE was not in the game. You Conte haters are so stupidly, tiresomely, lame.

  • TheBigCheesy

    10/6/2014 ~3:00pm

    “Cutler time.”

    -@DaBearsBlog:disqus

    • beninnorcal

      Fuck off, dude. You got better shit to do? You ever see me on any other team’s blog? Again, fuck off.

      • BillW

        Cheesy is harmless. Annoying at times, but harmless. Ask him about the Packers problems and outlook and chances are he’ll give an honest assessment. After he gives his biased assessment of the Bears.

      • TheBigCheesy

        I don’t really read many other blogs. So even if you were there, I wouldn’t “see” you.

      • SC Dave

        Chill ben… think if you had no place to go other than Packer blogs. You’d come here also, to hear something the cows out back couldn’t tell you.

  • IBNO

    From the limited stuff I’ve seen, I would argue the problem with the Bears is that they have yet to play a game. They put together decent halves, but not full games. All three losses, the Bears were playing decently enough to win in most of the 1st half, but 2nd half shit the bed.

  • James

    Could it be that a big problem is a lack of leadership from the players, specifically the QB? The Packers looked dismal to start the season so Rodgers has a pep talk and the team responds. Has anyone seen evidence of this type of leadership from Cutler?

    • IBNO

      I never got the impression that Cutler was a vocal leader; more of the type who leads by action (on the field). Plus, as he was a younger guy coming in to a team with established leaders, and the team was led by the defense, I don’t think he ever got into the mindset of being a big talker with the team.

    • MB30SD

      I think you’re putting waaaay too much on a pep talk from vadgers. The team didn’t really respond, who did respond was him. He fucking put that game on his back in the 2nd half and destroyed us singlehandedly. That pass we talked about where it looked like he got torn in half and still made the TD was evidence. He had a ridiculously perfect 2nd half.

      • BerwynBomber

        Certainly agree about Rodgers play but don’t know about the pep talk stuff. I do think when Rodgers walks into a room it’s a whole different vibe (because of rep/presence) than when Jay does. But I also think these Cutler/Rodgers comparisons are unfair to Jay. We’re comparing him to a future HOFer and arguably the best QB in this game other than maybe Manning or Brady. Cutler just needs to be himself.

      • SC Dave

        But… oh, never mind. We just never will have a QB like that.

  • BillW

    Someone – anyone – tell me why I’ve been wrong about the Bears since the end of last season? Please don’t tell me I’m a troll or whiny or anything. Tell me logically where I was wrong. And I’ve been VERY detailed in my criticism – I haven’t merely said “the Bears will never win with this regime”. I’ve detailed WHY I think that.

    I hear things like “if they just correct the mistakes…”. But they never do. I’m sorry but it comes across like saying it would be a sunny day if we can just get rid of the clouds. Well, no shit! But HOW?

    There’s a REASON they never correct their mistakes and play a full game for more than two weeks in a row (and I’m assuming they’ve done that under Trestman but I may be wrong there). Look at the forest, not the trees. Don’t look at a ouple plays here and there. Look at the record over 21 games. I don’t know obviously what goes on during practice – whether he is holding people accountable for mistakes. I do suspect he’s timid though. They have given Jay arguably more tools than ANY other QB in the league. Name a team who’s other 10 are better than the Bears overall. But it doesn’t stop Jay from being Jay.

    Sure – he has a lot of comebacks. But his resume doesn’t lie – he’s mediocre. Most people said as much on the other thread so don’t flame me for that opinion.

    I’m willing to give Emery more time and obviously Trestman and Jay get another year after this. And as I’ve said many times – I want to be wrong. But I’ve concluded last year Trestman is not a good head coach. I haven’t seen anything to dispel that notion. I’ve seen “him” many times in different personas but the end is the same. The image I get is that effort is critical but results aren’t.

    Can anyone give me evidence that he is a good coach? Or are you all in the Lamar Houston “eat dirt” camp?

    • Trac

      I think we wait until the end of the season to lower the boom or raise our spirits. 5 games one game back of first. You can’t put Jays picks and Fortes fumble on Tresty. Same thing with the buffalo game. Turnovers baby, turnovers. Cutler is a coach killer, that is all I can surmise based on who has coached him. Blame Cuttler for the Losses, he’s the Captain on the field when the Bears choke.

      Jeff is wrong on Tresty being the problem and is not the one throwing picks. Last week Tresty called an onside that didn’t work and I’m more upset with that than his coaching yesterday. Our offense has been reading too many of their own press clippings in my opinion. If they pull their head out, we can turn this season out. We aren’t good but we can be.

      • BillW

        I see your point and agree somewhat. I do think the second half failures dating back to most of the second half of the Jets game is failure to adjust to adjustments – that’s Trestman.

        And your “coach killer” phrase is accurate.

        But if the offense has been reading it’s press clippings – then the head coach has to correct that. I don’t sense Trestman is that kind of leader. He’s more of the “gotta clean it up” guy.

        And who on the offense? Just Cutler? He marches to his own – nothing can be said or done anymore to change him.

        • Trac

          I can tell my kids to stop messing up but sometimes you just gotta let em learn from their mistakes. These guys are grown men.

      • MB30SD

        besides the fact that it hit young (I think), right in his two hands?

        Execution.

        If that had been bmarsh or alshon they WOULD have caught that ball (and might even have been looking for it… cause you know, it was an onsides kick to that side. SMFH) and trest would have been a geeeenius. right?

        • Trac

          That’s not why I was pissed. I was pissed because he showed our neck and didn’t convert that. I’m not an evra one deserves a trophy kind a guy. He he.

          • MB30SD

            I don’t know about that… I assume they’ve practiced it before, so they thought the right guys were in there? looked like bad execution to me… it literally hit the dude in his open hand.

        • SC Dave

          It is ALWAYS about execution. Great calls go for pick 6s on bad execution; shit calls go for 90 yard touchdowns on great execution.

      • SC Dave

        “Our offense has been reading too many of their own press clippings in my opinion.”

        BINGO. Fucking BINGO. These guys forget they have to play the fucking game.

  • I think it’s a mentality. The Bears don’t know how to handle success. They have two straight chances in a row to clinch the division last year and shit the bed in both of them.

    They get some success against SF and NYJ this year, then shit the bed at home against their biggest division rival.

    Then they get the great start against Carolina, get up big, and take their foot off the pedal. Stop playing to win and start playing not to lose. No killer instinct.

    That leads to a talented team that is less than the sum of its parts. Mediocrity.

    • you look at the Patriots and Bears this week. Two teams both coming off embarrassing blowout defeats. The kind of games good teams rebound from.

      The Bears jumped out to a big lead, got conservative, then shit the bed and gave it away. The Patriots jumped out to a big lead and went for the kill.

      • Trac

        I disagree. The Bears turned the ball over 3 too many times. Tresty’s hands are tied because he’s having to choke down on Cutty. This was an important game to the coaching staff for obvious reasons. Also, Riviera adjusted to what was working for us in the first half. Turnovers lost this game. My opinion.

        • exactly… Rivera adjusted and Chicago did not adjust back. SOoner or later you have to trust your guys to go out and execute.

          • Trac

            Take away the turnovers and our adjustments would have needed to be negligible.

          • SC Dave

            I’m completely with Trac. If the Bears had not turned the ball over three times in the second half, they win easily and no one would be talking about Trestman’s lack of adjustments.

    • BillW

      Very well said. Take it a step further – isn’t that a reflection on the coach? I believe a team eventually takes on some of the coach’s attitude.

      • I’m not ready to write off Trestman just yet. He obviously has had some success as a head coach. I know the CFL is not the NFL, but anywhere in football you can’t win without the right mentality.

        So I’m inclined to think it’s the player leadership. But that’s just my guess.

        • Not to mention he made McCown EQUALLY as effective as Cutler last season.
          So, what’s the variable? Hmmmm

          • SC Dave

            Exactly. We all know Cutler *can* be better. He’s just not, and for as long as he’s been starting in the league, I fear he is simply too old a dog to teach new tricks.

      • BillW

        Don’t get me wrong – I certainly am not saying that Trestman doesn’t care about winning. He has 2-3 championships in Canada and they didn’t come about by accident.

        But he SEEMS like he has no urgency. And the players reflect that. Of course there is a lot of football to be played – but that sounds WAY too close to “it really doesn’t matter that we lost because there is still a lot of football to be played:.

        • Trac

          I think you’re confusing ground cover with foliage. I’ve never been sold on Cutty. He’s a mirage.

  • Willie

    The 2 interceptions were not his fault.
    The 2 interceptions were not his fault.
    The 2 interceptions were not his fault.
    The 2 interceptions were not his fault.

    Official Jay Cutler Apologist Club Member #472291

    • BerwynBomber

      Yep, we get that every week on here but this time even Cutler said they were his fault.

    • TheBigCheesy

      Sometimes the interceptions aren’t his fault. Similarly, sometimes the touchdowns aren’t his “fault” either. Just look at the last 3 touchdowns he’s thrown.

      • BillW

        What??? Every TD pass starts with – you know – the pass. It has to be executed correctly. I don’t recall any tipped balls or bad throws that someone managed to score on.

        • TheBigCheesy

          Every interception starts with the pass too.

          The second touchdown in the Green Bay game was Marc Trestman’s touchdown. Jay Cutler even said it himself when answering the media “yeah I think even one of you guys could have completed that one.”

          Similarly, both touchdowns he threw in the Carolina game were of the dump-off/catch-and-run variety. The play didn’t require a great deal of execution on his part (relative to other throws).

          My point: if you’re going to breakdown who is at fault for every interception (like the Apologists that Willie is mocking do), then you also have to breakdown who should be credited for the touchdowns (or other positive plays).

          • SC Dave

            Yes, for example, had Martellus bothered to throw a block, Forte’s 56 yard play would have gone for 80 yard TD on a 10 foot throw.

            Of course, Joe Montana probably had a dozen or more of those in his career.

          • BillW

            Well Cutler has earned this scrutiny I guess but he has to make the read and the throw And often it comes from an audible

          • TheBigCheesy

            Yessir. Either take the stats at face value, or dig deeper into ALL of the stats… not pick and choose which to manipulate

  • BillW

    This is a real stretch but just maybe the other two phases can improve enough to make up for the sudden mediocrity of the offense.

    Frankly, I think a statement benching could help – like Lamar Houston. He has not earned the right to tell the fans to eat dirt.

    Where is our Mike Brown – who once said “we stink”? They need a vocal leader – and it has to come frrom the offense – that is disgusted. Candidates? It might have been Garza had he been playing – but right now it seems there is no one on the offense to fill that role or provide that fire.

    I don’t fault Cutler for not being that guy. That’s one thing we knew he didn’t have in him, and that’s OK. I do wish he’d take personal accountability for his mistakes but I’d rather his attitude than how Rex ended up (one time I recall him sadly saying “I don’t know WHY I throw into coverage” or something like that.)

    They need some fire – someone who is disgusted with the missed opportunity to take control of the division (could well be 4-1 right now) instead of this lame -“there’s a lot of football left”.

    OK – wake me up you start taking the games seriously.

    • that’s gotta be Marshall, IMO. Or Long.

    • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

      Kyle Long.

    • SC Dave

      Matt. One day, I think that dude is going to blow up.

  • BillW

    One final thought then back to work –
    Most responses seem to place the accountability squarely on Cutler. I won’t disagree – but Emery and Trestman both tied themselves completely to Cutler. If they were wrong – if Cutler doesn’t prove to be able to drive this offense to the top 5 again – then all three are gone and we start all over.

    That was a HUGE gamble on their part.

    • Trac

      Evra coach Hitches their wagon to their starting QB position. Jay can be managed but he’s still Jay and yes he was a gamble. I was glad we got Jay but unhappy with what we gave up for him. I’ll even go so far as to say Jay is a big reason why Lovie failed.

    • SC Dave

      I doubt Trestman tied himself too tightly to Cutler. I believe he is smarter than that.

      Emery, on the other hand, is not.

    • bearsfantillend

      they did not really tie themselves to Cutty. Its basically a 3 year deal, 2 year if they are willing to cut him after next year when the dead money will only be $3mill.

      http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/chicago-bears

      besides what were they going to do last year- let Cutler walk and sign McCown… They would have been ripped by so many people. At least with his current contract we now have the option to trade him down the road.

      • BerwynBomber

        McCown would have only worked if a) he was a stop-gap, b) we traded up in the draft for Bortles or Bridgewater, and c) Trestman remained his coach. I was NEVER one who thought McCown should start over Cutler and ALWAYS thought TB (Lovie) was crazy to automatically him the starters key when a rookie (Glennon) had played well the year before.

        • bearsfantillend

          agree. i would even go as far as to say Cutler is a stop/gap with the way his contract is structured. He gives us time to fix the issues that are plaguing the team, while giving fans and media a target for the the teams failures. Its easy to blame a QB.

          I want Cutler to succeed but if we continue to see his stupid mistakes, I would not be surprised if we use a high round draft pick for a QB.

        • SC Dave

          If Jay does not play to his potential (or, horror of horrors, is now and continues to do so), we will have two more years of mediocrity and the rest will be two years older. Okay for Alshon, not so much for BM, Uni, and Forte.

  • Trac

    Jeff, did you just walk up a flight of stairs before recording this? Just sayin.

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    Well, today appears to be Manifesto Monday. I’ll read up in a moment but I wanted to drop my 72 cents first.

    First, as Jeff said, why has the offense taken a step back this year? Well, I’m not sure they have but here are two possible reasons aside from lack of offensive line cohesion due to injuries. The first is Aaron Kromer. Am a right that Aaron Kromer has more of a play calling role this year than last? I’m not sure he’s the primary play caller, but I know he’s doing more of it, so that could be a factor. Second, Last year nobody in the league had recent tape from which to study Trestman. He was out of the league for years. I’m sure people looked at that old Raiders tape, but he was largely an unknown when it came to scheming against him. Now they have a year worth of tape to see. I’m not sure either thing will be fixed, but I’m positive they can be fixed. Maybe Trestman takes back all play calling duties. Maybe Kromer gets better at this new craft. Maybe they both find answers to the answers the D coordinators supposedly have for them.

    Second, I think Marshall’s ankle has kept him from reaching his potential this season, but I think it may be more than that. Did you all know that Marshall is now one of the hosts of Inside the NFL on HBO? Don’t players usually do that AFTER they retire? Maybe Marshall is spreading himself too thin. Maybe the dude needs to focus solely on football and forget the mental health awareness and the side projects. Maybe not, but…

    Third, the last few years we’ve seen the bears shit the beds late after a hot start. Lionesque. I realize this is grasping at straws but my hope is that once some of the injured come back and the team gets any sort of consistency in terms of players on the field, maybe we’ll see the opposite this year. Conte, for example, has started every game (I think) and finished none of them. All of the linebackers are in and out of the lineup. We’re using practice squad wannabe’s in the secondary. Allen played sick in one game, missed the next, and weighed in as a WR in the next. The entire left side of our offensive line has been injured and the entire right side was injured and missed camp. Look, I know injuries are part of the game and that next guy up bullshit, but there’s a reason certain guys are starters and certain guys are not. You can’t just be as good with backups just because some stupid cliche says you should be. Injuries are not an excuse, they’re a factor. A legitimate factor. Last year we started the same 5 at O-line all year. That shit matters.

    Finally, Cutler. I’m not giving up on the season and I’m not giving up the Cutty Badger. But like I was telling Cor last night, this season is his last chance (for me). If he doesn’t get his shit together this year, I’m done defending the guy. Every year we hear, Oh he’s been working on he mechanics and really leading his team this off-season. This is gonna be his year. Michael Irvin and Brandon Marshall both picked him to be the MVP this season. But I’ll be damned if I don’t see the same ‘ol Cutler. The guy with Jeff George Cannon appears to be nothing more than Jeff George himself. If he doesn’t finish the season, or if he finishes the season with less than 3k yards passing, 30/15 TD/INT ratio, I’m chalking him up to Good Rex/Bad Rex 2.0 .

    Honorable Mention: Mel Fucker. I’ve not seen one iota of evidence that tells me this guy should keep his job as D coordinator. I realize he’s had a lot to deal with injury-wise the last two years, but I need to see something from this guy.

    I’ll leave you with the following food for thought. Under LDL, we had a great D, great special teams and avg to poor offense. Under Trestman, he wave a good to great offense, poor to avg D, and abysmal special teams….

    • BillW

      I want Tucker gone next year but the defense is performing about where I hoped they would. I think they are around 20 in yards. I was hoping to go up to the low twenties.

      Offense obviously underperforming. I can’t buy the injuries – the OLine replacements are not JWebb reincarnated – they can play decently.

      Marshall’s day off duties is the wild card. I won’t tell you how I see that re Trestman not being in control of the team. OK – maybe I will – similar to leaving the discipline of Black Uni to Emery; letting Lance take a day off for his restaurant, calling out Marshall to protect Jay them taking it back to protect Marshall; and I will be SHOCKED if he says or does anything to Lamar “Dirt” Houston.

      To say nothing of the many essentially “unforced” penalties the team already has.

      Is this a coach that is too lenient?

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        On the O-line, it’s not can they play, it’s can they play together. That takes reps. If dudes are missing camp and then other dudes are missing games early in the season, the line haven’t had the reps to gel as a unit. That was more my point.

        • johnnywad

          Ola was a HUGE step down from Bushrod

          • BillW

            No doubt, but a huge step up from JWebb;

            I expected a few sacks and from what I read I figured running between the tackles would be tough. I didn’t expect we’d score 3 after the half after 21 in the first. One long drive for 6 and we win.

            Cutler said today on his show he gives himself a C for the year. And he said he woke up thinking about the INT to Holmes. But then he said he should have checked down or thrown it away.

            Now maybe I’m thinking of a different play, but didn’t he overthrow him? Wasn’t he open? It was the right read wasnt’ it?

            I wonder if Cutler has been coached to say “I should have checked down etc” after every INT?

          • SC Dave

            It was, in the end, a shitty throw to an open man. Shit happens. More to our QBs it seems, but it happens.

      • Cormonster

        Those “blindside” block penalties yesterday were brutal calls. If those were penalties, Cam should have been called for one too on Briggs I believe.

        • SC Dave

          All the Pathers fans were excited about that. I told them all that they should not piss off Lance Briggs. Two or three plays later, Lance had a pick.

          I just smiled at them.

    • they were 2nd in the NFL in scoring last year and are 17th so far this year. Despite having a D that has handed them a lot of short fields for points.

      If that’s not a step back, I don’t know what is.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        Yes but, it’s early (shhhh).

      • SC Dave

        Don’t confuse the ennui with facts!

    • “Hi, my name is Butch, and I’m a Bearaholic.”
      Crowd, “Hi, Butch! You’re among friends. Let it out…”

    • Shady

      You don’t always post, but when you do, you prefer bringing the goods.

      • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

        DON’T YOU TELL ME WHAT I PREFER!!!

  • BillW
    • SC Dave

      Hampton has said a lot of stupid things over the years. So I have to discount most of what he says.

      Except, of course, the part about heart. Dan Hampton knew ALL about that shit. Don’t know if he learned it from Walter or not, but they both had it in spades.

      • BillW

        The tough ex bears are disgusted with what they perceive as softness

      • Cormonster

        This could be urban legend. Bill Parcells was once asked sometime in the 90’s that if he had to start a team today, who would be his first draft choice, and he chose Hampton.

        • SC Dave

          It would not surprise me, actually.

  • MB30SD

    reposting from my response to Data at the bottom:

    “exactly. did the ‘negative’ press get to him? and now it’s a mental thing.

    This offense is predicated on mr. bmarsh, don’t believe me… just look at tape from last year. I was very vocal when people started throwing out there that alshon was our real #1 that that was bullshit.

    I totally believe that this O and cutty are predicated on bmarsh’s ability to get 1st downs and TDs. Like you said, he’s been invisible for what, 2-3 games now… and so has the O.

    As bmarsh goes, the o and cutty go. Hopefully he can turn whatever he’s got going around (either his ankle or his head, or both) and this O gets a jumpstart.

    I’m calling it right now. BMarsh pulls his head out of his ass and puts this O back on his shoulders…

    Bears by 14 this sunday. BOOM!”

    • Cormonster

      I think you may have a good point there MB. A good comparison is the Lions with Calvin Johnson being hurt. Their O has been downright shitty in three games this year. They scored 7 against Carolina, 10 against Green Bay, and 7 against Buffalo. The only reason they have 3 wins is their D is playing lights out. The Lions should have scored quite a few more points, but the kickers have sucked this year missing 8 out of 12 FGA. They cut the 7th round kicker two weeks ago, and cut his replacement today after he missed 3 FG yesterday. My Lions fan buddy was pretty bummed yesterday when we talked after the game.

      Marshall and Johnson are two of the best chain movers in the league and the safety blanket for our QB’s.

      • MB30SD

        exactly, that and I feel that bmarsh is def the unofficial leader of the O. When he’s in a down pattern, so is cutty and the O.

      • MB30SD

        yes, def agree with the last part.

      • SC Dave

        8 of 12 missed?!? Holy shit that sucks. That’s at least 12 more points they should have scored – more like 15 or 18 depending on distance.

        • Cormonster

          That’s why the Lions have fired two kickers in 5 games. The most a team missed last year in a SEASON was 9. The Lions miss Hanson badly right now.

        • johnnywad

          And it has been an absolute pleasure to watch.

  • BillW

    OK – so where is the reason for optimism? It’s here –
    Cutler signed through 2016 – options after that. Trestman contract runs out in 2016 also. Making 2016 a lame duck year that coaches rarely go through – either you’re extended or fired.

    Smart move putting them equally. So that means the make or break year is NEXT year, not now. Why am I optimistic?

    Because if Trestman is one thing, it’s measured in his thoughts. I do believe he assesses situations thoroughly after the fact. Now how will that translate to W’s? Well, that’s up to him.

    But here’s the important point – something is wrong and it may not solve itself anytime real soon. It might take until after the bye week. I think the Bears realistically go 1-2 before then and we are 3-5.

    I’ve seen two 3-5 Bear teams make the playoffs with less talent than this on offense (though they had Payton). I think the D was very good those two years but not great either (’77 and ’79). It can be done IF there is a will to stop making excuses and win – whatever it takes..

    Given the league so far that’s not far fetched. I personally don’t think it will happen but it’s been done.

    Now what about next year? Well, Lovie (should have) learned that you can’t’ win relying on one side of the ball. So the D and ST have to be improved or Trestman ends his HC NFL gig. I think he has enough pride to rid himself of what might be holding himself back (namely Tucker and JoeD). I don’t think he’ll be a loyal stubborn fool like Jauron was with Shoop. And I hope he leaves the selection up to Emery.

    So in effect our expectations for this season have to be lowered. Playoffs are unlikely though possible. Improvement in all three phases PLUS limiting penalties need to be the goal. And that COULD lead to playoff spot.

    The optimism for this year was unfounded. Cutler and company were bound to slip down lower than top 5 (I expected a slip down to 10 – they have to improve to get up that high but they clearly have the players to do that.)

    My expectations all along were 7-9 to 9-7. I’m thinking low end of that but hopefully with an arrow pointing up (going 4-4 in the second half is hardly an arrow pointing up, but depending on the 4 and how they win/lose it can be.)

    “Marc is our head coach.” “Jay is our QB.” We are “all in” for the next two years. A lot of work to do unexpectedly but again one good thing about Trestman is he isn’t blind to the issue. But is he up to the task?

    • SC Dave

      I’m not so sure it’s that smart. If Cutler is, in fact, the “coach killer”, why let him take Trestman down? Didn’t Trestman have perhaps, a little, to do with a career nothing like Josh McCown look like a Pro-Bowl level guy?

      • BillW

        What I mean is they aren’t in a position where they have to reup one while still “stuck” with the other Either they both succeed or both fail If Cutty fails I doubt Marc gets another contract with another qb It’s “all in”

  • so is this new feature in place of the Rapid Fire Recap? I liked the Rapid Fire Recaps.

  • BillW

    Jeff – regarding your tweet about hating the QB who is on pace for 4000+ yds etc:
    It’s not the statistics – including the INTS. It’s the losses – the Bears payed for a difference maker and he is not a difference maker.

    • Not to mention that this isn’t exactly 1982.
      Is any starting QB who plays all 16 games NOT gonna hit 4,000 yds, 20+ TDs?
      Maybe Wilson and a few other teams with a vibrant run and defense, but that’s about it.

  • BerwynBomber

    Did anyone see that Shorts had requested (as far back as training camp) that Buffalo players carry him off the field if they beat Detroit? What an ass clown. Classless as hell. Is it any wonder the Kittens were the most immature-acting team in the league while he was there?

    • BillW

      Saw that – pathetic.

  • Kevin Hill

    frustrating bears team to watch, no defense , now no offense or not enough offense.

    http://kevcanx.blogspot.ca/

  • Sactowns#1

    Man I was all ready to rant and rave this morning but the site was down and now all my piss and vinegar has petered out. I will say that Jay and the offense was rather disapointing yesterday. The inability to punch it in from the 2-3 yard line. The miscues by Jay. The inability to get unicorn in the mix. The turnovers in the 4th qtr were just a gut punch!

    • SC Dave

      The crowd mattered a lot. We could have kept them out of the game, but second half turnovers prevented that from happening.

      Virtually every Panthers fan I talked to before and during the game (until the 4th quarter anyway) EXPECTED the Bears to win.

      Disappointing is the perfect word. The one your parents always used when they really wanted to make a point and make you feel bad.

  • Sactowns#1

    In other news the niners got anew stadium with crazy expensive seats but you just cant outprice all of the trash. Someone is always gonna save their pennies just so they can go to a game and do this http://www.ibtimes.com/49ers-fan-fight-video-levis-stadium-bathroom-knockout-leads-arrests-hospitalizations-1699921

  • Manifesto Monday!

  • bearsfantillend

    One play epitomized an issue with the Bears. These Bears don’t play through the whistle. An idiotic ST penalty where a Bear(not sure which one) tackled the punt returner before the ball got there. A flag was thrown, the ball was on the ground, and every Bear player pretty much stopped running. It was then scooped up and ran for a 75 yard TD by the Panthers. One thing Lovie always coached was to play through the whistle, Bears players used to run after incomplete passes, or broken up passes. The ball never laid on the turf long. At least once in every game this year i have caught myself yelling at the TV “Pick up the Ball!!!” This is the result of the current coaching. We saw it last year in a play i will not discuss, and it continues this year. It is not a question of the play being over, it is a mindset that it is their ball and every time that the ball is on the turf it should be treated as a turnover. Especially in the era of replay any ball on the turf should be treated as a turnover.

    • Briggys reported the same. Eerily similar play.
      As Aristotle once wrote: “You are what you habitually do; therefore, excellence is a habit”
      Or in the Bears case, ineptitude is a habit.

    • SC Dave

      I suggest watching the replay again. Not in any way similar.

      • bearsfantillend

        i did. all the trailing players slowed to a jog, and a couple just jogged right by the scrum.

        • BillW

          And watched him run with the ball until he was too far away to catch

      • SC Dave

        Unlike the Packer game, at least someone went after the ball. Just missed it.

  • Shady

    This morning’s technical difficulties with the site was scary. I thought I’d lost mah baybeez! Can we please have a designated meet up location in case of emergency? Irish can decide.

    • MB30SD

      Hahahahahaha

      • Shady

        I’m not joking.

        • MB30SD

          Hahahahaha

    • Big Mike

      I thought Jeff quit. Thought he’d had enough of the officials, cutler, etc. Starting up a Soccer blog or something.

  • huntinbare

    Well a day after my sarcastic attack on the ” “heart” of this club; Ih ad to remember that those players have been traded or retired….so it will take a while for the rooks to elevate to that level. It is telling that the persona of our ” gifted” QB lacks this ability. We should understand that JC is not a complete package. His ability/talent is off the charts; but he does not do well relating socially in his immediate enviroment. I won’t say he is flawed, just imbalanced. The greatest in any position make those around them believers that inside the right system they too can reach a level of performance that was originally thought to be unattainable. I have always thought JC can be fixed…but he has to get schooled on humility. He needs to look into life a bit deeper to fix his shortcomings. It was my hope that Mr. T could be the one to bring some maturity to JC’s psyche. If he gets fixed players will follow and his errors will diminish. But so far, since he became a Bear, life’s harsh realities have exposed him to some situations that keep screaming at him. But, he keeps ignoring simple truths…i believe he is being tried in fire, but he has not dragged himself up and walked out a changed man. He needs to be the leader nobody else can do it; but he has got to get it in his head that that is what life is asking him to do; accept it without fear and rally the troops around him. He cannot be poppa bear, but i will settle for the proud mamma bear; who protexts her cubs and leads them to the promised… blueberry patch nirvana.

  • huntinbare

    Something that i am picking up on from reading is that Bmarsh is a factor in our lack of points. I sense that and it troubles me. Cutler got stuck on Earle B. while he was here; and I believe it is a weekness that needs to be corrected. The coaches have to make us multi-faceted. It is on them to get JC into a mindset that frees him up enough in his confidence that anyone of these talented backs and receivers can be that “Bmarsh” when Brandon is taken out of the mix. Marty looked like a beast against GB and then his #’s shrink the following week. All three of the ” big boys” should have similar stats: right now we lack consistency. There is no continuity. Coaches and Cutler can and better fix this.

  • huntinbare

    My first love has always been hockey; so let me just say that I wish one of our coaches had the fire of the Blackhawks JQ. Quenville shows so much emotion from the bench and his players will skate through brick walls for the guy. He would be my choice for Defensive Coor. Well organized and FIESTY

  • huntinbare

    One more thought on the difference in the play of JC. Last year he had a backup that seemed to elevate him. I used to groom horses at Sportsman’s Park and when a trotter or pacer was rank they used to put a goat in his stall to calm him down so the horse was manageble enough to race.

    • Shady

      Hunti, you are the goat to our rank pacer.

      • huntinbare

        How can you smell me from such a long distance…i gotta get some better deoderant

  • AlbertInTucson

    A Bear makes for such a LONG damn week.

    • Shady

      We can always talk about the Raiders to make us feel better about the Bears. Mike Holmgren visiting Oakland. Your thoughts?

      • AlbertInTucson

        IF I am a Raider fan I’m thinking

        “Yes, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE save us from this regime”.

        Thankfully I am NOT a Raider fan..

        Holmgren enjoyed some success in Seattle after leaving Green Bay but he was not the answer to Browns fans prayers in Cleveland.

        • MB30SD

          I don’t think anything is. Poor bastards

  • Shady

    Alright gentlemane, it’s time to suck it up. It’s been 5 weeks. Only 5 fucking weeks. Two wins. Three losses. One game back in the division And now we’re back to talking about Josh McCowan and the fucking offseason? No. Fuck no. I’m not doing that. We only get 16 of these motherfuckers a year, I’m not checking out after 4 damn weeks of real football. No Sir. Not me.

    Good or bad, I’m watching the shit out of this soap opera. My relationship with the Chicago Bears is one of the craziest most insane relationships I’ve had with any other person, place or thing. I’m a rather calm, steady person and don’t normally enter into these types of crazy relationships. Who am I kidding? Of course I do. I attract all kinds of crazy. And you know what? I love it. And hate it. It’s entertainment. The drama is why we watch. We just don’t always get the happy ending that we want.

    This Chicago Bears crazy train has just left the station at 1000mph boys. I can’t tell if we’re headed for fortune or failure, but either way I’m not fucking stopping now!

    • AlbertInTucson

      You think a start like this can chase me away after 50 years of Dooleys, Gibrons, Armstrongs, Wannys, etc, etc, etc?

      Hah!

      Think again!

      Move over fellow masochists and gluttons for punishment!

    • MB30SD

      Boom!!

      I jus caint quite you maingses.

  • huntinbare

    From the comedy club …read the comments section of the piece that ESPN did, in the chicago section, on the …Leymarr ” you fans can eat dirt”. ….i don’t care who you are Leymarr…that was funny

    • AlbertInTucson

      Players get frustrated and shoot from the lip too, just like the fans Lamar was referencing.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Blogfather Tweet: “Never thought I would see day when Bears fans would hate their quarterback who is on pace for 4144 yards & 38 touchdowns. Its the 19 INTs.”

    I don’t hate him. I hate being frustrated.

    • BerwynBomber

      Yes, hate was used loosely there and there always seem to be enough Cutler lovers to offset it even if true.

  • Cormonster

    I learned two new rules / penalties this week. A “blindside” block is illegal and a pancake block is a personal foul. Gruden or Tirico just mentioned it. The OL “drove the defensive lineman into the ground.” Shit, I thought a pancake block was always considered a great play. I guess not any more.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Week to week, it looks like the Zebras are just making it up as they go along.

      • Cormonster

        My Lions fan friend, who I talked to after the games yesterday, said a “blindside” block was called in that game too. Must be some new “points of emphasis”.

  • BerwynBomber

    Refs have done their best to keep Washington in this game but I don’t think it will save them.
    P.S. I’ve always held Triplett in contempt.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Triplett is incompetant.

  • NewBearInTown

    Just turned to nfl.com now to see what was going on in the game. The score is 17-10 in the 4th. I’m thinking “wow, this must be a good game.” Then I see the headline: “No Mercy for Percy: Harvin has had 3 touchdowns called back for penalties.”
    I hate the new NFL. If this is the viewing experience, we will see salary cap contraction by the end of the decade. We’ll see how much the players complain about safety then.

  • MB30SD

    Bobby Wagner is a fucking animal!!

    • Always felt he was the most under rated MLB. Dude is a beast. Can blitz, cover, chase down running QBs. Like a bigger faster Patrick Willis.

  • BerwynBomber

    Helluva play by Wilson and Lynch. That should end it.

  • BerwynBomber

    Some self-dramatic posts and tweets on here tonight.
    Anyway, any early thoughts on the Falcons? Their O-line has been crippled with injuries and they still have Ice, Roddy W and Julio, but that’s about the extent of Falcons knowledge. Seems like a very vulnerable team but then again so did Carolina.

  • MB30SD
  • BerwynBomber

    Blogfather, couldn’t agree more about baseball’s post-season TV coverage. Not only is it on three different networks and not only can’t you find it, but it is on networks that don’t even cover it in the regular season. If MLB had half a brain they would sign a deal with ESPN, even if it meant being kicked to ESPN2 during Monday Night telecasts. Selig has turned a national sport into a local/regional one. Basically, fans are only interested in their local teams. Beyond that the sport is dying.

    • I used to LOVE Los Dodgers.
      Tonight, I think they were playing, and I watched the Deadskins/SeaChickens on a crappy feed instead.
      But with all this NFL BS going on (refs, etc), maybe I’ll go back to baseball one of these days.

      Baseball was my first love. I played centerfield and lead-off.

    • bearsfantillend

      They are also killing the local/regional coverage. I am a Cardinals fan, and game 2 of this series was on the MLB Network. Mediacom cable company, which covers a large portion of Central IL, does not even carry the MLB Network. Talk about some pissed off fans, scrambling to find a bar that carried the game, on Dish or DTV.

    • Big Mike

      I was trying to watch games NCAA tournament style. Had to go to the never used search by keyword thing on Direct TV. Guide. Watched MNF instead.

  • AlbertInTucson

    idiot Lions fan (I realize that is a very LARGE number) was using a laser pointer to blind Bills players.

    • MB30SD

      You cannot be serious. Jesus.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Kicker and Orton complained to the refs on separate occassions.

        Police helicopter pilots have had that issue here in Tucson.

      • AlbertInTucson

        I AM serious. And don’t call me “Jesus”.

        • MB30SD

          Hahaha… messiah?

  • Trac
  • Trac

    Atlanta, Win!
    NE, loss? Questionable depending upon which team shows up.
    Miami, Win!

    4-4 at Bye?

    8-8 at worst, 10-6 at best.

    • NewBearInTown

      Here’s the thing. Our schedule is much easier after the bye. And it includes more home games. And maybe after the bye, Marshall will be back to full strength.
      But none of that matters. We start winning when our offense gets to playing up to expectations. That’s it. We can still beat the Pack in Lambo, go 5-6 in the division and likely squeeze out a win. But we need the offense back. Period.

      • Peanut FTW

        The turnovers have to stop for the offense, that much is true. However the absolute, disgusting and infuriating lack of pressure on the opposing QBs is what lost us the last two and nearly three games. I mean, if that PI gets called and we end up in OT vs the Jets, thats a loss too.
        There is no way that a healthy and talented backend can hold up for 5 seconds on every pass. So our snakebitten rag tag back end is definitely screwed. We paid Allen and Houston and even got young as insurance that they would be fresh to get to the QB and it is not happening. So, you FING BLITZ.
        I would hate to blitz as a DC, however until you have pressure from your front 4, you can’t just keep hoping it will happen and continue blindly down some predetermined path. This is crazy, between the horrid penalties, the lack of pressure from the front 7 and the horrible timing of turnovers on our O; these games are getting really tough to watch.
        It feels like no one on that defense is playing with any heart. If he wasn’t so damn good at Oline I would put Long at DT for a series just to have someone out there that gives a shit on that side of the ball. The offense may stumble at times but this defense is worse, it is gutless.

        • Trac

          What games have you been watching peanut? I disagree.

  • NewBearInTown

    Let me add to my rant about the refs. I have not yet gone to a Bears game in person. My partner, a Packers fan, has not yet gone to a Packers game in person. We have been waiting for a Bears/Packers game in Chicago and not on a Jewish holiday for a few years now and then we will go. Once we go, we will probably start going regularly, because I’m sure it will be awesome.
    I will not pay to see what I saw last night. I will not pay to see last week’s Bears/Packers game. If this is the norm, I’ll keep my $500 and do something else fun with it.

    • Trac

      Complaining about the refs will do about as much as complaining about the tax code. It sucks but when your team loses its normally not because of a blown call. I see all the griping as a result of our Team not executing. It drives me crazy hearing about bad calls.

  • Big Mike

    Football is becoming unwatchable. Of course I’m biased towards plays that go against the Bears. One, I love the Bears, two, I pay closer attention. The phantom late hit call, the 2 mysterious block in the back calls, even the expert that have that was the former head of officials (pererra?), doesn’t see these penalties. There was a point in time where he was never wrong. now he’s 50/50. Very, very frustrating. Even though a couple have gone the Bears way, when they do, I’m happy for how it helps the Bears, but I’m not pleased about how it impacts the “game”.

    Beginning of the end? .. I don’t know. The offseason and fantasy football seems to be what is more popular. The integrity of the game.. not so important I guess.

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