• Scott W.

    Bravo, Jeff. Couldn’t have said it better ourselves.

    Expectations are now at absolute zero.

  • chitownproud85

    Sure has made watching the games a hell of a lot easier not having any expectations at all for anything. Watching yesterday happen brought a chuckle, not a tear. Trestman looks in over his head, Cutler is Cutler(duh), and the defense(while growing, as far as I’m concerned) seems like its a year away(as Jeff had previously predicted). Not a good football team. Talented, but not good. I know its not technically over yet, but wow, we are getting close and were only halfway through the season.

    • Scott W.

      I’m probably thinking too simplistically, but seems the Bears need a true leader on offense, and they don’t have one unless you hand that title to Marshall.
      They played yesterday like they play GB. Soft, as our ipod journalist Jeff said, and without heart.
      Kyle calling out the fans is forgivable. Sure he caught no end of shit in the trenches from Miami over the boos. But he’s gotta hear it for what it is; a crowd bring honest.

      Jeff, don’t breathe directly into the mic, partner. But good commentary. Charles Osgood should play it next Sunday Morning.

      • DaBearsBlog

        There is no mic! That is done on a cell phone. And not a good one.

      • chitownproud85

        The idea that the folks that prop this underachieving organization up, by paying outrageous prices for tickets and merch year in and year out, dont have the right to voice their disgust when they never turn that money into a winner is absolutely ridiculous. Ive gotten into that argument a few times over the years, when people say “dont say ‘we’ when referring to a football team, you arent on the field, you arent doing anything”. Horseshit. None of those guys do it if not for 100,000 people like me willing to buy their crap. Enough is enough. The Bears have every tool to be yearly contenders. They have the market, the history, free agents WANT to be here, everything falls in the Bears favor, and yet a consistent contender eludes them over and over. Stop buying their shit until they give us a winner. A trip to the NFC title game once or twice in a thirty year period is NOT sufficient.

        • Scott W.

          Well, as even the NFL says, “Together, WE make football”.
          I think that means we’re included.

        • I don’t buy shit.
          The only thing I did buy was a sweet ’85 starter Bears jacket from a Thrift Store, which I’m sure helped out the thrift store more than the Bears or NFL.

          When they win a championship, or show some heart, maybe.

      • CanadaBear

        It’s difficult not breathing hard when you’re really pissed.

  • Shady

    Who do I blame? I’ll start with the fans. Then the Soldier Field grass. Then the fans again. And finally I blame the music choice during timeouts.

    • Scott W.

      You forgot the lack of Honey Bears.

    • Trac

      I think you’ve had a little too much sun shady. It’s fugasey!

    • AlbertInTucson

      He’s just echoing Kyle Long’s assessment.

  • Trac

    I blame Phil Emery. His coaching staff is not upper echelon NFL caliber. It starts at the top.

    • CanadaBear

      Well the HC is pretty under whelming. At this point I’d say Tucker is out performing Trestman by a lot. 2 years in a row he’s had to deal with a ton of injuries. Last year was historically bad. This year we’re only shitty. Baby steps!!!!!!

  • AlbertInTucson

    Main theme seems to be a perceived lack of effort and any sense of urgency yesterday underscored by how the 3rd quarter was just allowed to expire as if the game were well in hand for the home team.

    • CanadaBear

      The entire game their was no urgency. The entire first half the O looked like they were just running drills in practice.

      • Ososfan

        I agree, I kept asking Wtf they werre doing, why we’re they looking like they were taking practice reps out there

        • CanadaBear

          It was like they were sleep walking. Not that this is a big deal but I found it odd before the game started they showed BMarsh trying to get the troops pumped up. It was pretty lame but most of the guys were going with it. Cutler, right in front, was standing there looking like he was making an appearance at the grand opening of a new car lot. Couldn’t have been more checked out if he tried. I get a QB doesn’t want to get too amped up before a game. Esp, Cutler because he has a habit of over throwing receivers when he’s too amped up, but at least fake some enthusiasm.

          • Ososfan

            Yea Canada. Where is the Damn passion, fake it to at Lear boost the morale of your team who look to you as the leader. Damn, I was so mad with Cutler and I’m a big fan, they just looked slow and uninterested.

  • CanadaBear

    I realized yesterday that I have no expectations of good football from this team. By the end of the 3rd qtr where Al so succinctly points out they just let clock run down, I wasn’t even mad. I knew it was over. I gave up on Cutler in the Buffalo game and Trestman in the Carolina game. I won’t be an ass and keep reminding everyone. I’m still watching all the games but they will have to run off about 3 or 4 wins in a row to bring me back around. Anyone here think we can win 3 or 4 in a row?

    • GPLDAN

      Anyone here think we can win 3 or 4 in a row?

      I don’t.

      • CanadaBear

        I’m beginning to wonder if the only home win this year is Tampa. Of course, knowing Lovie his team will sell out for him and trash us soundly.

        • Trac

          I’m beginning to hope we lose that one too. Why did I jump on the Tampa Bay Love Train at the beginning of the season? Sniff…..

      • Even-Steven.

    • BillW

      “I won’t be an ass and keep reminding everyone…”

      Ouch

      • CanadaBear

        Not aimed at you Bill.

        • Huge Bear’s Penis

          maybe not. but sometimes an un-aimed shot gets amazing results. Blind squirrel…

          • CanadaBear

            Birdshot!

  • GPLDAN

    Did anybody think in the 2nd quarter when Cutler flung it up to Jeffery in the endzone and he couldn’t bring it in, that it was a good play?

    I was like, “really? all this talent and we’re back to jump balls to Alshon? That’s the offense?”

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02109/s12_2109336c.jpg

    • CanadaBear

      For me it was the 3rd and 2 on the first drive and he throws a bomb to Alshon. Run the fucking ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Sactowns#1

        Agreed. I also like that they got the run game going, in the 4th qtr. smh

      • SC Dave

        And just about every damn one of you would have bitched if the run had been stopped short of the first down. “So damn predictable… yadda yadda… ” I can hear it clearly.

        • CanadaBear

          Bullshit Dave. Do I ever complain about too much Forte running? 3rd and 2 and throw a long bomb on the first possession? Horrible call. A Cutler audible.

          • BillW

            But an audible from a different pass play. I’ve heard that from several places. Trestman called a pass and cutler changed to a deep pass.

  • CanadaBear

    Honestly I thought the fans were pretty decent yesterday. The place was like a morgue. A perfect reflection of the energy the O was putting out. I think most of the fans were so giddy with a real offense last year they were willing to give Trestman a pass on a lot of troubling issues. This year the O is under performing enough to have these same fans realize, fuck me, we stink.

  • Ososfan

    I hardly ever stop watching the beloved but yesterday was just too much of a downer. I didn’t even watch em score. I quit watching after the first half and the constant 3 and outs…ugghh

  • NewReality

    Mr. Hughes, I’ve been a log time reader of the blog. I do most of my reading at work (on breaks of course), but I can’t do the audio in my work environment. The last think I want to do when I get home is plug back into the computer… If you could put a transcript up with your audio, that would be great… Other than that, keep up the good work for all us fans.

  • TheBigCheesy

    “How about Jay Cutler just go out there and protect the football?”

    Delusions. Of. Grandeur.

    • SC Dave

      Just like the delusions of grandeur about the Bears having all this talent on offense. The only consistent excellence for the Bears offense in the past decade (actually, quite a bit longer, come to think of it) is Matt Forte. I would have said it about Marshall, but he’s sure as shit not showing it this year.

      So far as Jeff’s comment on the Bears having more talent than Green Bay and someone being “out of his mind” to think otherwise, one only need point at Rodgers. More than enough better than any Bears QB (ever) to make up the difference.

      Obviously, as the games of the Cutler era have shown.

      • TheBigCheesy

        Nah Rodgers is just “lucky”

  • GPLDAN

    I guess here’s what chaps me about being a Bears fan in today’s age: the upper deck politics.

    There’s no reason to have pulled Christian Jones in favor of Chicken Dinner except to make a statement that the 1st rounder will get an opportunity to play. Because Emery’s neck depends on not fielding criticism about him being a bust.

    If Cutler comes out and throws another pic like the one he floated, the prudent HC would go ahead and put Clausen in. But it will never happen. Why? Because Trest and Emery would get their asses kicked. So they will continue to roll with Jay. It’s a marriage and we’ve gotta see this thing to the end, mostly based on people trying to keep their jobs rather than win football games. I know that’s always gone on but in today’s era it feels more transparent and stupid.

    • TheBigCheesy

      Are you saying that Cutler should have been pulled after his INT yesterday, or that he should be pulled if he does it again? Because I don’t think a single HC in the league would have pulled him yesterday. Maybe they should have (I disagree), but I highly doubt any of them have the cajones.

      • GPLDAN

        If he does it again. I agree that nobody would have pulled Cutler yesterday, given the Falcons game.

  • GPLDAN

    You know what means zero? Tight locker room. Seahawks had fight in theirs before dominating Super Bowl. You know what means a lot? Winning.

    The fighting is turmoil. How it is dealt with determines who the team is. Is Trestman as good at Carroll at getting his team righted? I don’t think so, but we’ll see.

    • DaBearsBlog

      How good was Carroll at it? He cheated his way through college football and just traded his best offensive weapon, making ten zillion dollars.

      • GPLDAN

        Um….. good enough to dominate a Denver team in a lopsided Super Bowl and assemble an intimidating defense that should be ranked Top 10 in overall playoff run performance?

        He also turned USC into a powerhouse for a few years, then bolted when the NCAA hypocritical dogs came sniffing.

      • CanadaBear

        He won the big one last year. I’d say very successful. Who gives a fuck about college ball. The whole fucking system is a sham. Would I care if the HC cost the McCaskey’s a few million? Uh, no. I hate Carroll as much as you do Jeff but this is silly.

  • GPLDAN

    Jay Cutler has been the exact same player his entire career. Why do his performances seem to confuse people so much?

    I guess I’m going to be returning Jefe’s weak serves this morning.

    “Because there was every expectation that Trestman could QB whisper Cutler in to cutting down the bad decision throws, the gunslinging mentality and play smarter. There was every evidence of this in Atlanta where he appeared to play mistake free. But that pick against the Fish was Bad Jay personified: miscommunication with the wideout, letting the ball float high on him, all the shit that has come to define Bad Jay. People aren’t confused so much as resigned that if Trestman can’t stop the bad throws, nobody can adn what we have is Jeff George again. At least that’s the conclusion I’ve come to.”

    • Doc Hamstring

      Where does the miscommunication come from?

      Most of Cutler’s picks this year have been obvious blown plays–Cutler throwing it to a spot where his receiver is not. So one player or the other was wrong. I’ve noticed a dramatic reduction in “Stupid Jay” throws, where he wings the ball into coverage, or throws with bad mechanics, etc. That’s not to say there are NO “Stupid Jay” throws, but just fewer.

      So if the big, glaring problem is that there are miscommunications on the field, who’s to blame for that?

      But are the miscommunications what is causing the offense to be so anemic against Buffalo, in the second half against GB & Carolina, and in the Miami game? I would argue no. I would argue that the lack of a decent running game (from the lack of a good run-blocking game by the Oline) is part of it. Yeah, yeah, the Bears are running the ball OK–but it’s feast or famine. They’re not able, by and large, to run the ball down the other team’s throat–the run game is open when the defense is expecting pass, because the Bears pass ALL. THE. TIME. Play-action doesn’t fool people when you can’t run effectively.

      The other thing is that receivers don’t appear to be getting open. I don’t know how teams are covering Marshall, Jeffery, and Bennett on EVERY play.

      These things are the problems that are ongoing. The defense making EJ Manuel (benched) and Ryan Tannehill (trash who won’t be starting in the NFL next year, and won’t be employed by an NFL team in 2) look like Pro Bowlers is a recurrent problem. How does a team that neutralizes one of the upper-echelon QBs in the game last week have so much difficulty stopping Ryan Fucking Tannehill–whom they sacked a bunch in the first half, mind you?

      • GPLDAN

        How does a team that neutralizes one of the upper-echelon QBs in the game last week have so much difficulty stopping Ryan Fucking Tannehill–whom they sacked a bunch in the first half, mind you?

        Undersized rushers that need a speed game are bogged in the morass that is Soldier Field? Replace the swamp with astroturf?

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          with our D ends we should install 1985 astro turf. I know that no one will talk about it right now but I guarantee you that the Bears have field turf next year. It’s gotten out of hand.

          • Huge Bear’s Penis

            i certainly hope we have field turf next year. I brought up the condition of the field on the game day thread.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Great comments Jeff. Really hits the frustration of the fans spot on.

    OK. I not even going to bother with commenting on the game
    or lack there of. It’s useless since everything said so far it about the same
    way I feel. I will quote Marshal, “unacceptable”. Can’t really say it better or
    more to the point, however as fans we don’t have a choice, we root for the
    Bears, good or bad, it’s what we do. You don’t like us booing then wake up and
    smell the roses guys, you stink right now. Prove us wrong.

    Anyway, I need to look to the future and past this game,
    perhaps even past this season. I have a weird feeling in my gut that one of two
    things are going to happen within the next two seasons.

    One, the good group of talent we currently have on the Bears
    is going to be split up. Losing a few key players can really hurt us and I can
    see how some may become demoralized to a point where they just don’t want to
    stay on the Bears or just don’t care, or both. If this happens, we are looking at a
    Lovie-like era of Mediocre Bears teams for a decade. Yes, I said a “decade”. If
    this happens, it will solely be on the Shoulders of the Ownership. That’s
    right, because when it all said and done, it’s the owners that have the money
    and power to make BIG changes. See number two below. Changing Coaches and
    coordinators, season after season is no help, we need consistency in that regard
    as well, which may not even be possible at this point. But You want a good example of a team that keeps getting new coaches and it not helping go see the Rams over the last 10 years.

    Two, we go 500 this season and somewhere down the line, end
    of this season of beginning of next, something changes, something BIG. That
    actually turns the Bears into a consecutive contender for the playoffs for the next
    3-4 years. What this “something” is I cannot say, it may be a combination of a
    few Good Drafts, good FA pickups, New Coaches, New Ownership, etc. But if any
    team in the league that actually carries a TON of Talent like this team, needs
    a Big shot in the arm or a kick in the ass, it’s the Bears. I do believe in the
    talent we have on this team, perhaps we just need something or someone who
    knows how to use it and make the changes to make it even better. If I was one
    of the owners and actually cared about the team’s success I would be hearing the
    alarm bells going off. They’ve been going off since the Greenbay game. Maybe,
    just maybe, Virginia’s “miracle ear” fell out. Someone needs to step up, put it
    back in, and talk some serious sense into it.

    To answer your final question Jeff. Ownership, That’s who I
    blame the most.

    • Consistency isn’t the cure. Lovie was actually one of the longest tenured coaches in the league, behind Billichick and maybe Coughlin.
      The “cure” is choosing the RIGHT GM, who in turn chooses the right coaches, who in tandum choose the right draftees/fas, who in turn create a competitive team, etc
      But choosing the correct GM is a lot like choosing the right QB in a draft. It’s sort of a crap shoot, maybe even more of a crap shoot.
      There’s no GM Andrew Lucks which are sure fire things. Shit, even Jerry Jones is looking like a genius this year when he has blown for 20 years.

      • SC Dave

        My opinion is we have the right GM, and the wrong QB.

  • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

    Quick thoughts from being at the game:
    1. The commercials really affect the game itself. There is no chance for momentum with the constant play stoppage especially after game changing moments.
    2. Creative, engaged, calculated risk taker Trestman was absent. First half playcalling was simply embarrassing. Vertical plays to Marshall, Jeffery and Bennett completely absent. Creative runs to get 1,2 and 3 yards on critical 3rd down were completely absent.
    3. Mills is having a brutal year and lost almost immediately on the Cutler strip sack. ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
    4. The Cutler INT was laughable because even though it was a shitty play you fucking knew it was going to get returned 50 some yards instead of just being tackled at the 30 by Bennett.
    5. Rosario’s turnover was the backbreaker as was Ryan Tannehil’s 30yd run on 4th and 1.
    6. Tannehill had 5 fucking TD’s and the Dolphins punted once in the game. The second doesn’t count because there was 3 seconds left. ONE PUNT.
    7. Bears fans may be the worst fans in the world and that is why I haven’t been to a game in years and why I won’t be to one for several more.
    8. The fans while completely brutal were booing more because of Trestman conceding the first half instead of calling a timeout and getting the ball back with about 50 seconds left and 2 timeouts to try to make something happen. Great if they get a FG out of it, Killed if they give it back to the other team somehow.
    9. Outside of Ratliff the Bears D got their fucking teeth kicked in. The Dolphins routinely ripped off 13yd dump offs, 7yd runs on first down and converted 3rd and 4th downs at will.
    10. I know people love Forte but the neglect of the downfield passing game of between 7-15yards was very concerning. The pressure by Miami was constant but there has got to be a way to get the 3 passing targets the ball in key 2nd and 3rd downs.
    Tough to watch this game. I’m taking my bye week and i’ll see you guys about 2 days after the Patriots when we are sitting there wondering how we can beat New England but not Miami at home.

    • Doc Hamstring

      #1 agree, but every team has to deal with this
      #2 THIS. OH GOD THIS. I don’t get Trestman’s playcalling this year.
      #3 Hate to say it, but yes. The Mills situation needs to be fixed. Now.
      #4 The Bears offense was tackling just as shitty as the defense, it seemed. Looked like half the Bears thought the play was dead and weren’t even trying.
      #5 Ryan FUCKING Tannehill ran roughshod over a defense that should’ve beaten the crap out of him EVERY time he ran the ball.
      #6 Every time someone points to the offensive incompetence, I’m going to point to the D playing like shit against a team whose best weapon is Ryan FUCKING Tannehill.
      #7 It’s not just Bears fans. That said, the players should shut up about the fans.
      #8 No comment.
      #9 Outside of Ratliff, we’re looking at a repeat of the Green Bay game.
      #10 Forte is still the leading receiver on the Bears. Given the two Pro Bowl wideouts, this is ridiculous.

    • Trac

      Wait till Cutty goes down, and he will. Our future is still playing college football somewhere. And not just QB.

    • SC Dave

      #8 or, another brutal turnover by Cutler and 3 or 7 more points for Miami

  • Doc Hamstring

    Cutler threw one pick. This wasn’t the problem.
    Cutler fumbled when sacked–on two of the sacks I saw (including the fumble), a couple offfensive linemen were blocking no one. Anyway, the fumble wasn’t the problem.
    Two turnovers by the QB shouldn’t kill an offense. No turnovers by your defense PLUS 2 turnovers by your offense… starts to be a problem.

    What’s a good TD-to-turnover ratio for a QB? Let’s look at Peyton Manning: 510 TDs, 222 INTs, 76 fumbles (20 lost). I’m going to include fumbles not lost as a “turnover” because whether or not the offense regains possession is a crapshoot and ignores the fact that the QB lost the ball. I really don’t like including fumbles, because they’re not entirely the QB’s fault… but then again, neither are some INTs. Anyway, Manning has a ratio of roughly 5 TDs for 3 TOs. TL;DR version: if a QB throws 2 TDs for every 1 TO, that’s probably pretty good.

    So if Cutler had thrown (or run for, let’s give him that) 4 TDs yesterday to go with his INT and fumble, we wouldn’t grumble. We’d say, “that’s a good ratio.” And 4 Jay Cutler TDs would’ve won the game, too.

    Bottom line: I think the problem is less with Cutler giving the ball away and more with him not getting the TDs to balance out the turnovers. If Cutler doesn’t fumble, if he doesn’t throw the pick, do the Bears win? No. Given that Miami didn’t get many points off the turnovers, I’d say the Bears lose by a TD or maybe a FG. Turnovers are less the problem then the lack of TDs.

    So I don’t think the argument should be “pull Cutler if he can’t take care of the ball.”

    • CanadaBear

      Actually the pick was a problem. it wasn’t miscommunication. Cutler overthrew the Black Uni who happened to be double covered and the 3rd DB made the pick. Idiotic throw. People were trying to blame Holmes but Cutler admitted he over threw Bennett. I don’t blame Cutler for the fumble. That’s gonna happen from time to time when your RT throws a lookout block at a really good DE. Cutler made a ton of bad decisions yesterday. Even Trest threw him under the bus a little bit saying there were a lot of run plays called in the first half that were changed at the line.

      Johnny and I got into a bit earlier this year when I said Cutler is always going to change a run to a pass if he has any idea there might be 8 in the box. I’d be OK with Cutler if he was making half his salary and the other 10 mil went into the D but that’s not the case. Probably wouldn’t make any difference because PE would over pay another run stuffing DE and completely shit the bed by signing a totally worthless calf-roping DE. FUCK ME!

  • GPLDAN

    Seriously, the field was a damn joke.

    • CanadaBear

      When we had no O under Lovie I liked the shitty field. It was about our only home field advantage. The crowd is rarely loud. I can’t remember the last time a QB had to take a TO due to crowd noise. Now that we have an O (kinda, sorta, sometimes) the field is no longer an advantage. Time to change the surface or get a defensive-minded HC.

      • BillW

        I keep reading that it’s the Bears who insist on having a grass field. But I’ve never read a good reason why. I think it’s getting clear that Allen can’t play on grass. Not that we change the field for him. but I think it’s true his stats on turf vs grass are quite different.

        • CanadaBear

          The McCaskey’s always say they have studies that show a shitty grass field is safer than a turf field. That’s their story and they’re sticking to it.

          • BillW

            I know that; I wonder though if enough time has gone by to study field turf / injuries? The Park District actually WANTS to get rid of the grass field. Maybe it’s the water table underneath but it simply doesn’t hold. You’d think by now some expert would come in and tell them that.

            Maybe not in my lifetime, but there will be a new stadium in the future. They lost the landmark status and it’s really way too small. And no ring of honor for the team that helped found the NFL?

      • SC Dave

        You can’t remember the last time a QB had to take a timeout from noise? The last time a QB had to take a time out? Last week.. IN ATLANTA!!

        And people bitch at Long for calling out the fans? Are you all FUCKING SERIOUS?

        • CanadaBear

          I’m not bitching about the fans. I made an observation that the Soldier Field crowd is rarely loud enough to cause disruptions. Did you take your asshole pills today?

          • BillW

            Configuration of the stadium I think . Our seats are in the north end zone and it was real loud until 14 zip. Then again at 14 7. But the o sucks the life out of the crowd

          • CanadaBear

            It was like a morgue on TV.

          • BillW

            Until they went into the locker room.

            We are in the corner where the Bears tunnel is. Whether by luck or design Rat was one of the last ones in. Turned the boos into cheers.

  • CanadaBear

    Did MB get kidnapped by one of his Cooz-de-jour?

    • Ososfan

      He said he was going to be off the blog for a couple of days if I remember correctly….

      • CanadaBear

        Thanks. I just wanted to say Cooz-de-jour. I’m sure MB will be back with a lot to say!

        • GPLDAN

          Cooooooooooze-de-jour.

          You’re right: it’s fun.

  • TheBigCheesy

    Jay Cutler has been the exact same player his entire career. Why do his performances seem to confuse people so much?”

    -@DaBearsBlog:disqus

    What?!

    I mean, I agree with this statement 100%… but how can YOU, someone who applauded the contract extension, feel the same way. Do you think the Bears resigned Cutler for “more of the same”? The Bears HAD to assume they were going to get a transformation from Jay Cutler over the next 3 years (using the plethora of support for him from weapons, protection, and offensive minded head coach as evidence to support their assumptions) in order to pay him that kind of money. Bears fans simply CANNOT accept what he has given them so far with the support that he has been given.

    Bears fans are confused with Jay Cutler’s performances because they watched an old, shitty, journeyman quarterback operate that offense with aplomb for 6 games last year.

    • Trac

      Tresty has been out game planned by our opponents. Cutty is who he is but lets face it, 50 something total yards in the first half by our offense was pathetic. Onside kicks and trickery only goes so far.

    • aplomb.

      • johnnywad

        He has the strongest vocabulary in Wisconsin. It’s not even close.

        • GPLDAN

          LOL

        • Cormonster

          I no wordsmith be I talk good. I live Wisconsin.

    • Ghost of Crown

      don’t vote this piece of shit up.

      • TheBigCheesy

        In this situation, maybe you should shoot the messenger instead of the message. I might be a troll, but that is the stone cold truth.

        • BillW

          But you’re the messenger.

          • TheBigCheesy

            Duh

          • GPLDAN

            Maybe both of you could go grenade diving or something.

          • BillW

            Bang

    • BillW

      And I have to defend Jeff on this one. He said Cutler is the exact same player… but never said they should not have signed him.

      It’s like politics – you can’t vote for “none of the above”. It was either sign Cutler for the outrageous going rate, or try someone else and hope they dont’ have less talent than Cutler.

      It’s not like the league is overflowing with great QBs. I know in GB you guys have a tendency to think it’s easy – but if it was, there would by 20-25 great QBs instead of at most 5.

      • Trac

        Actually you can vote for none of the above Bill.

        • BillW

          Not sure you mean QB or politics.

          In politics you have to make an informed choice between one candidate and the other. You can’t say “neither” because “neither” isn’t running.

          In the QB siutation we had no other immediate viable QB option. We’d have to either trust the McCown could repeat, or try to groom a QB and hope he works out in a year or two and hope the offense stayed at the level it was last year.

          We already see number two didn’t happen and I don’t put ALL the blame on Cutler for that.

          • Trac

            You can say no and i do. Just like following this team. We can say no more or keep doing it. The year they went to the SB and lost the the Colts I purchased Direct TV Sunday ticket. Also the next year. The year after that I cancelled my Sunday Ticket and started going to sports bars to catch a meal and the game. Now I just listen on the radio and follow the web and only go watch the game occasionally. See the pattern? I’m very close to checking out until the Bears Organization turns it around.

          • BillW

            As a season ticket holder I feel in a tough spot. I can’t give them up because I do believe sometime in my life or my kids they will become a force again. We want to be there when that happens. It’s not like you can just pick them up whenever.

            For the first time ever we are actually selling tickets on Ticket Exchange. I don’t pay for the tickets anymore but they are in my name. I always said no to that idea because I didn’t want to risk losing them if some laser pointing fool bought them. And the idea of helping fill the stadium with fans from other teams was distasteful.

            But if a fool is willing to pay over face value, why not? The fact is we are not getting our money’s worth. Though I will say I enjoyed myself at the game other than the outcome. The weather was perfect and I love being at the stadium.

            (Though that sounds like “other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?”)

      • SC Dave

        For all of Cutler’s “talent”, we don’t win many big games, now do we?

        • BillW

          Sure don’t

  • Trac

    The Bears almost always beat the teams and almost always lost to teams that were better than us. We can prognosticate all day long as to why we’re 3-4 but I think the truth is that the teams that have beaten us are better than us. We are just now starting to realize that the Bears really aren’t any good.

    • SC Dave

      The decisions are made on the field and ultimately the scoreboard.

  • DocNitty(BallsStillOrnamental)

    This team man….. This team.

    • CanadaBear

      What a fucking pisser yesterday. By the end I wasn’t even disgusted or pissed, just numb from a sleep walking performance by the O.

  • Ososfan

    We deff need a very solid tackle for next year, I’ve been saying this for a while. Either that, or get Kromer to bench Mills for a couple of games. Also, y’all think Marshall should still be doing those weekly shows and just focus on the team atm and help win and/or be another vocal leader

    • CanadaBear

      I don’t see it as a big deal but it would be nice if BMarsh took it upon himself to opt out of the show. It would show a team first attitude for sure. If the rest of the team had as much passion as BMarsh, I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    • I still think Mills’ foot is bothering him. That’s why he has more offsides this season thus far than his entire rookie season – he’s trying to compensate his slow step with anticipation.
      That being said, the results are the same, so give Ola a shot at RT. Never got why we let James I feel Good Brown go. He looked solid to me at LT in PS, and was a RT in college, who could also play OG.

      IF they liked Ola more than Brown, then they should insert him at RT cuz Mills isn’t cutting it.
      If Ola burns out, then next year we can look into an OT.

  • Jokey

    There was a play early when a D back was giving a cheap shot on a WR and Garza was standing right there. He should have blown up that guy, instead he waited for him to finish and helped his teammate up off the turf. I was just like “Wtf we’ve already lost this game!”

  • johnnywad

    The importance of the Kyle Fuller injury situation can’t be overstated heading to NE. He’s got to play if the Bears are to have a chance.

    • Ghost of Crown

      broken hand + hip pointer = not playing

  • johnnywad

    Jay Cutler is a prefect metaphor for my golf game. I can make 12 pars and 2 bogies and still shoot 85. He’s like that from one week to the next.

  • Huge Bear’s Penis

    Can we go back to having a more balanced attack? This pass first play calling is really starting to piss me off. I was happy to see the last couple weeks we are running in the red zone and at the goal line but what about the other 80 yards of the field. We only run the ball 38% of the time. That ranks us at 27th in the league by percentage. We supposedly have a premier RB on the team why don’t we utilize him more than just a dump off guy in the passing game. Its become pretty apparent, at least to me, that our ‘Great’ WRs have a problem getting open, so why not help them out with a running game. Play action will have greater affect, the fake end around crap Jeffery does every other play isn’t fooling anyone anymore. Give it to the backs and pound it, make defenses start to put 8 in the fucking box. Ever wonder why we have problems with read option QBs, its because we don’t know exactly what they are going to do so the D can’t key in on one phase. That’s not the case for defenses against us. Running the ball only 38% of the time basically tells the defenses they need to key on the pass. Forte had 12 fucking carries yesterday. That number should be in the 20-25 range.

    • Supposedly, Trestman/Kromer did call more run plays, but Cutler audibled out of them.
      Now we know why Martz didn’t let Cutler audible. Martz is crazy, but not that crazy.

      Still, I’m sorta tired of refraining we should run more. From what I’ve read, I was the first one to suggest the Dallas-model early in the season, and in the off-season, I was referring to the Texans model who rode a zone-blocking scheme and stud HB (Foster). I wanted a real complement HB in the draft, etc etc

      Like I said, we’re the 2012-13 Lions. They kept preaching balance, but never practiced it. Fat Lesbo just kept chucking it up game after game, with some fantastic performances, but mostly INT-FUM ridden which led them to a losing record.

      Maybe Trestman and Cutler see the light now, though I doubt it, and by now it might be too late anyways.

      • BillW

        From what I read, there is a large disconnect between Trest and Cutler/Forte as to how many runs were actually called. Cutler indicated (I think) that he only audibled out of 2 runs. So if true that’s only 4 called runs.

        • SC Dave

          Somewhere, Jay got the moniker of “coach killer”. Hmmm… where could THAT possibly have originated??

  • BillW

    In all seriousness, this is shaping up to be a very valuable season for me. I’m really seeing that my internet persona is pretty bad indeed.

    Writers are calling out Marshall for acting like it hurts for him more than for others. Biggsy said that very well in his ten thoughts. It then occurred to me that in effect that’s what I’m doing too.

    • Trac

      Bill, you’re externalizing again. lol. Just learn from it and apply it. No offense meant but you don’t have to explain it out so much and like Nike used to say, just do it. 🙂

      • BillW

        I am an externalizer. My therapist said it’s good for me.

        I also display masochistic tendencies. After all, I’m a Bear fan AND a Cub fan.

    • I think you’re just tone deaf. Like someone else said, it’s not necessarily what you say, because Irish has said waaaayy crazier shit, but is still beloved – it’s HOW you say it.
      And now that most of the blog has tagged you an “APOCALYPTIC DOUCHE” , the dye has been casted, the bell can’t be unrung, (insert other saying).
      PPL don’t go to football blogs to discuss meta-internet-identity. This isn’t an internet couch.
      Just stop discussing YOU and change your tone a bit is all (though if you’re tone deaf, you might not know how).
      That’s all I’m saying about that subject. I’m not about to spawn a 30 comment thread about you.

      • GPLDAN

        yeah, please don’t.

      • MikeBrownhadaPosse

        Too late.

        Good lord.

      • Huge Bear’s Penis

        well said.

    • Jokey

      I think most of us have made the transition from being a fan emotionally to being one intellectually this season. I know I have. I knew early sunday that the team wasn’t into the game. I think it was obvious. They all looked like they were going through the motions. At that point, you can only get so mad at them for not caring (enough).

      I’m glad they’re pissed at each other and pointing fingers now. Hopefully their fingers point at themselves and they turn it into something constructive. If not, they’ll just be like the Buccaneers and start losing games by 40 and not giving a shit. At that point, I’m going to focus on the Blackhawks and check out until the 2015 draft. (Which I will attend.) If they don’t give a shit I’m going to find it really hard to keep caring myself. These guys need to care more than anyone, plain and simple. Yes even more than the fans. Unacceptable was the right word to use. I will probably just be pissed that they aren’t pissed, but I won’t be pissed about their non-performances. Garza has to be the first one to go in my book. I’m officially the leader of the Get Rid of Garza Club. Irish, come back and help me, man.

      • GPLDAN

        Irish – you were right! Garza is so done! Come back sweet prince!

        • MikeBrownhadaPosse

          I guess I’ll reconsider my stance on alien banker gravity consortiums.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      The writers can, generally speaking, bite me. G-d forbid that Marshall should try and put some fire in that locker room.

  • GPLDAN

    Ok, let’s infuse the blog with some positive rays of Internet Sunshine right up the bum.

    You are brought in at the highest levels. Ginny personally escorts you in, with her little motorized chair, into the film room where all the coaches are. She says “listen to this nice man” and Trestman will take THREE magic suggestions from you. What are they?

    Here’s mine:

    1. Go get Flamatta back, his hammy has to be healed, or get somebody like him, and put all the fucking plays back in the book that involved hammering some runs between the tackles.

    2. If your 2nd TE is Rosario, you are doing it wrong. Bring back Mulligan because the kid could run block and put back in formations in which he lines up next to the RT. Run plays to that side where you piledrive guys like Cam Wake and make them think run first.

    3. Put Ola in at RT for the Pats game.

    • Jokey

      1. Bench Garza and put in DLP.
      2. Call Jeff Hughes and do the next 2 things he says.

    • I doubt Cowboys would return Clutts at this point.
      So, yeah, Fiametta-Wolrd-Peace.
      2. Start Briggs, Sharpton, Jones/Bostic
      3. Trade for a real safety, Gholston from the Bucs perhaps. Should be cheap.
      4. More Young.
      5. Move Houston inside more.
      6. Prob too late to get Bowman back, but maybe try?

      Other than that, not sure what more they can do besides, you know, coach competently.

    • Trac

      3 Positive moves? Hmm, this is a tough one, lets see….

      1. Take the entire team and coaching staff to see a re-run of Old Yeller.
      2. Initiate a bounty program on the first player that leaves the practice facility every day.
      3. Mandatory no shave rule. Evra one needs to look like Ratliff.

    • BillW

      1. Trust the run game
      2. Remove rhythm killing trick or cute plays
      3. Use more hurry up or at least no huddle

    • SC Dave

      1. fuck it

  • Bears-4-Ever

    Leave BillW alone. He can rant the way he wants to. If you don’t like it, then ignore his posts or only read some of them if you agree or disagree. it doesn’t take much reading into any post to filter out the stuff you don’t care about. Berating the guy is getting old… “APOCALYPTIC DOUCHE” I must admit that made me laugh though…so that is one thing positive in relation to BillW.

    Seriously, this is “DaBearsBlog” open to all…nobody here is better than anyone else. Accept the Admin. of course.

    Back to Da Bears talk plz.

    Bear Down.

    • Jokey

      Agreed.

    • Trac

      Advice is free my man. And to the respect thing, I agree. Just trying to help him out.

  • Jokey

    You know what play worked that we don’t run anymore? That misdirection flip toss to Forte.

  • Here’s was my #5 playing off Jeff’s before the game yesterday. I shall addendum it.

    1. NO TURNOVER CUTTY needs to show up NOT Bill’s/Pack/Panther’s Cutty.
    ADD. Well, history has proven when Cutty turns it over twice, we lose. That was a BAD int. Strip sacks happen, but math doesn’t lie. 2turnover Cutty = loss
    2. STOP Miller. Make Tannenhill win. He’s bound to melt-down.
    ADD. We actually did bottle up Miller. Too bad they forgot about Tannenhill. Also, Tannenhill did NOT self-destruct like in the past. Somehow, we make middling QBs appear like Rodgers.
    3. Take a long shot early, loosen up Fin’s D for the run.
    ADD. This did NOT mean to take long shots on 3rd and short! Fuck.
    4. RUN! Don’t stray from Forte. Feed him even if it doesn’t get chunks (see #1)
    ADD. Don’t know who’s to blame, Trest/Cut/Kromer, but results are the same regardless.
    5. Interior pass rush must funnel Tannenhill out since DEs will be mostly playing contain.
    ADD. We actually did a relatively decent job at this, so the Fins’ moved the pocket. HOWEVER, for some mysterious reason, Tucker didn’t adapt, and his players didn’t execute vs Tannenhill the runner.

    Things old Butch is gonna keep an eye on.

    1.LB play. How will this corps look compared to last week. MIA has a
    better Oline and HB, and a dual threat QB who can PA/Bootleg (also, a
    real TE)
    ADD. Well, the Falcons really were that bad. Though how we can bottle up SF and not MIA at home is a mystery to me.
    2. Vereen starting at S. We all know the drill.
    ADD. Would have to watch more film, but on that 40 yd Tannenhill run, he whiffed like Conte.
    3. Energy level. Bears seem to come out on snooze at home for some reason.
    ADD. Once again, they came out with ZERO urgency at home. This is probably why Bmarsh blew up afterwards. They were sleepwalking into the half. Fucking inexcusable. This is why critcs are correctly labeling this Bears team “soft” “passionless” and I would add to the coaches “clueless”.
    Well, in the infamous words of the Dean from “Animal House”
    “Soft, passionless and clueless is no way to go through a season.”

    • GPLDAN

      You didn’t throw up in front of Dean Wormer.
      You threw up ON Dean Wormer.

    • SC Dave

      On #5, I definitely agree. And of all things (well, except maybe for Cutler’s lack of fire) the most disturbing thing was that the defense was not better in the second half. Perhaps, for the first time this year, Tucker was “out adjusted”. Let’s hope that is not a trend.

  • GPLDAN

    Jefe –

    Can we have a playoff thread or something besides reminding us about THIS team?

  • In other notes, congrats to Peyton for breaking a seemingly untouchable record, though we did have to put up with needle-dick for another mooch blow-job special.

    But MORE congrats to DeMarco Murray for racking up 7 straight 100 yd rushing games in this day and age of Madden passing. Breaking any Jim Brown record always deserves a standing ovation.

  • Bears-4-Ever

    They said Martz was an “Offensive Genius”, We knew long ago that was bullcrap. He road the coattails of a few of his squads with the Rams until the truth was discovered. A few more games in switch the play calling is in the shitter and I’ll be feeling maybe Trestman is a paper-tiger after all. Whoever heard of this guy before he got the HC job here? Really? Someone said “NFL Level Coach”. When I hear that I think of guys like Walsh, Shula, Landry, Cower, Lombardi, Noll. How do the Bears get a coach of that caliber? Shit I think Dikta was a damn good coach…a bit rough around the edges but damn…Makes me wonder.

    • GPLDAN

      Blake says Marc is a flat out pussy.

      http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/former-bears-player-blake-costanzo-marc-trestman-has-made-team-soft/

      Your coach is a pussy and you get a pussy team full of pussies who get crushed on D (except for Rat)

      • He’s right. That’s why I was hoping for Rex Ryan at DC – the ying/yang.
        But now we see why other coaches were punking Tresty.

        • Trac

          How many players from Canada tried out for the Bears and got kicked to the curb?

      • Trac

        I hate to say this but Tresty and Emery look like they could have been officers on a widget companies board of directors. Not so sure today’s NFL is as hip as they are if you know what I mean. They very well could be in the wrong decade.

      • SC Dave

        You’re quoting Blake Costanzo? LOL!!!

        Sometimes, this blog absolutely kills me.

    • SC Dave

      “We came back three years in a row and had home-field advantage,” Dent told Chicago’s WSCR on Wednesday. “Our coach couldn’t figure out the right quarterback to play. The disappointing part to me is that we only got one out of it. We should have been the first team ever to win three Super Bowls in a row. It was there for the taking, but we didn’t manage that one position right.”

      Ditka, schmitka

  • Big Mike

    Checking in with my report. Game was so bad, I was playing ping pong and Foosball in my rec room before it was over. This has not happened this century. Recollection is early to mid 90s is the last time that happened. The only thing worse was realizing how much better GB is. They demolished Carolina with ease. Season on the line next week. Most likely looking at 3-6. (Patriots/Packers back to back road games). How the fuck does this shit show beat NE when they have 10 days to prepare? Brady might catch Peyton Manning next week.

    As always, by Thursday I’ll be jacked up for the game.

    • Trac

      I tend to agree with you except than as bad as we may lose, thankfully it will only count as 1 loss.

      • Big Mike

        For me, during the first half of the season games have two levels of importance. Did we win or lose, and how long do I think the season will be meaningful. From the looks of it, all those home games we have stacked up in November and December won’t matter. We’ll be playing our last game against the Vikings, hoping the Bears lose to improve their draft choice.

        • Trac

          Yes, the hook is always there Mike, always.

    • SC Dave

      GB is the superior franchise.

  • Hub, “Has Ola earned the opportunity to start over Mills”
    Trestman, “He does every day”
    UGH. I hate speech-talk. Hub should’ve followed up, “Like Shea earned his opportunity to start? Like that?”

  • MikeBrownhadaPosse

    It’s not so much that Jay turned the ball over twice. That shit happens.
    It’s the context. When the offense is completely stagnant, and a turnover pops in to smack a promising drive in the face, that hurts.
    One pick, one fumble…that’s nothing. It’s the fact that we weren’t moving the ball AT all, and that the Defense let Miami roll off a nearly 8 minute scoring drive in the 3rd…that kills you.
    It’s the sleep-walking on Offense yesterday and the inability to stop a dime-store Cam Newton knock-off that bothers me.

  • More from the Trestman interview. Apparently, Trestman WASN’T in the post-game locker tirade.
    Furthermore, Tresty hadn’t even HEARD of the yelling.
    Is this normal? Aren’t HCs normally in the locker room post-game? Where does Trestman go after the game, to a How to Build Equity and Happiness conference?

    • GPLDAN

      He was a Bond Trader. Maybe he goes and checks the WSJ for Monday’s opening yields.

  • GPLDAN
  • BillW

    Blake Costanza has no credibility to be calling out Trestman, but I think Hampton does. He did a couple weeks ago and again today – saying Trestman runs the team like a day care.

    In particular he called out the practice of rotating captains every week. Giving everybody a turn. Called it too touchy feely -like passing out juice boxes.

    Can’t say that’s something to get all excited about in the big picture, but the concern many have is whether Trestman is tough enough to right the ship.

    • GPLDAN

      Queue the T-Birds and Jimmy Ray.

      What union do those girls belong to? The Local 69, of course.

    • that doesn’t both me. About 10 teams in the NFL do that. Whatever.
      I have plenty of complaints about Trestman, but that is not one of them.

      • BillW

        Agree – as I said nothing to get excited about. It’s how it can be perceived (by players) as part of the “too soft” label. I hope the players don’t think he is too soft, but it’s a fair question.

    • SC Dave

      Hampton played on ONE team that won something. He needs to shut his fucking trap. It’s not like he’s on the fucking team.

  • Trac

    I thought this was supposed to be a springboard year for the Bears?

  • BerwynBomber

    Kromer’s starting to smell a little Tice-y. Excellent O-line coach but average-to-below average OC, though in fairness to him (regarding yesterday’s debacle), Trestman indicated that Cutler checked out of four or five runs the first half.

    • Kromer doesn’t call plays. Trestman does.

    • BillW

      The actual number apparently is a matter of disagreement between players and the coach. Cutler and/or Forte said it was only two that were checked out of – meaning only four called runs.

      I recall Bear teams being reluctant to throw in mid to long yardage situations. It’s actually very strange to see a Bears team, with a great RB and a solid O-line, being afraid to run for one-two yarrds.

      After the failed bomb to Jeffrey, I assumed they were going on fourth down – though I couldn’t imagine why. That’s the type of call you make when you believe you have something pretty sure-thing dialed up next.

      • apparently that was a called run that Cutler checked out of based on 1-on-1 matchups.
        A big part of the problem is that Cutler just hasn’t been accurate in deep throws this year.

        • BillW

          Interesting – I heard it was a different (mid-range) pass play that Cutler switched to a long pass given the coverage he read.

        • I also believe his audibles are too predictable.
          When the D loads the box, he checks out of a run. Then, the D feigns a blitz, drops back, and waits for him to throw it into coverage.
          Or, they really do blitz, and take their chances with the long ball on 3rd and short.

          Like someone else noted, when given the chance, Cutler will audible to a pass. The D knows it, and they’re willing to take their chances with Cutler rather than Forte.

          • BillW

            Excellent point – it’s not tough for other team to pick up that tendency – disguise their coverage and then bait him into checking into a pass they know they are ready to cover.

      • SC Dave

        I was surprised that they punted then too.

  • GPLDAN

    We need guys like MB, evantonio and Butch to subscribe to SexFit app

    http://www.bondara.co.uk/blog/sexy-news/sexfit/

    Their cock ring data fed to the app can then be graphed by….

    Jonathan Wood.

    Cock Ring data analyzed by Johnny Wood! (this shit writes itself)

    • I do have a series of cool data stuff coming out over the bye week. Where the Bears run and how successfully (same for run D), where they have success passing the ball (and defending the pass), down and distance tendencies, etc. Cool stuff.

      • GPLDAN

        Data –

        If there is a spreadsheet to be had, there is no doubt in my mind you can analyze the hell outta it.

  • After yesterday, I am officially on the Trestman needs to go bandwagon.
    Not that I advocate firing him mid-season. But if he doesn’t show a large improvement over these final 9 games, I’m done with him. And it’s been long enough that I don’t expect to see changes. Issues I have with him going back to last year:
    1) Abandoning the run. This dates back to early last year, he got out of it last year when Cutler got hurt, but it’s a problem again this year.
    2) Refusing to bench injured players. This dates back to the Detroit game last year when Cutler sprained his ankle. Has been an issue with Marshall and Conte this year.
    3) Refusing to bench underperforming players. This goes back to Shea last year, when he continually sucked at DE but kept getting thrown out there. This year with Mills and DJ Williams as the big 2.
    4) Generally being too conservative. Playing it safe before half instead of trying to get points is my biggest thing here, but consistently letting the D come out in soft zones is playing not to lose instead of playing to win.
    I was frustrated with all of them last year, but figured he’s a first year coach and he can grow. But now I see no evidence of growth in any of these areas despite ample opportunity to do so. None of them have changed 1 bit in over a year. Unless they do, and soon, I am officially on the Fire Trestman bandwagon.

    • BillW

      No surprise that I agree with you.

      But regarding number 4 – the way I looked at that was sending Cutler a message. A sort of “benching”. Saying “I don’t want you out there until we get a chance to regroup.”

      Or outright fearing that he would throw a pick 6.

      Two things I’m curious about – does Jay only throw picks when unexpectedly behind?

      Second – why are his INTs always returned for such big yardage?

      • NewBearInTown

        I’m not on the Fire Trestman bandwagon yet, but I am starting to wonder what happened to this offense. I also have to wonder if this team would look any different right now if we had kept Lovie as HC and hired Trestman as our OC.

        But more importantly, is Emery on the bandwagon? To your points:

        1. Emery cited lack of using Forte as a big reason to move on from Lovie. Trestman has found ways to get Forte a lot more touches in the passing game, but has not called enough runs. That could be an institutional decision rather than one solely with Trest. Plus, Trest runs an offense that, like the Kurt Warner Cardinals, liked to call short passing plays where most teams would run. Emery might be trying to do the same thing with Trestman’s use of Forte.

        2. Emery more than anyone will know what we have available behind injured players. The philosophy of how to deal with injured players could also be institutional. I don’t know if he counts this against Trest.

        3. Same comment. But Emery might have an issue (this is my big thing) if Trestman can’t bring more playmakers along on offense. Emery went out and got Santonio Holmes and picked up Ka’Deem Carey in the draft. Neither of them has really done much of anything. Trestman is basically rolling with Marshall/Bennett/Jeffery/Forte. Not a lot of diversity – and the best coaches can develop talent while still being competitive. Emery could be wondering why all of his hard work scouting isn’t rotting on the vine because Trestman can’t come up with a more diverse playbook.

        4. Being conservative is a thing. Some teams swear by it, some teams hate it. I doubt Emery is telling Trestman how often to go for it on 4th down, but he might not dislike Trestman’s approach.

        The other big question though is the attitude. If the Bears keep making mental mistakes, Emery will look to Trestman to get the player’s heads on straight. Individual players always get blamed for mental mistakes, but I believe the coaches get the blame when the team as a group starts to show a propensity for mental errors. Some teams need more discipline, some teams need coaches to lighten up, some teams need coaches that develop better relationship with leadership amongst the players. Whatever it takes, Emery is looking at Trestman to get it done.

        • Trac

          Trestmans not going anywhere until at least the end of the 2015 season. Is he a good coach? That’s a different issha.

        • Regarding players behind injured players… sometimes they have a clearly quality reserve option on deck, but Trestman refuses to make the move. Like last year with a gimpy Cutler against a fierce pass rush when McCown had just played well for 2 straight games. Or right now with a gimpy Jordan Mills against an All Pro DE when Michael Ola has been playing well (not to mention leaving Mills 1-on-1 multiple times, which is just inexcusable even if he is fully healthy).

      • Trac

        You can’t bench Cutty. That would be counter productive at this point and makes no sense.

      • it’s not just last week though. He’s been consistently mis-managing end of 1st half for a year and a half now because he’s afraid of giving it to the other team.

        he did the same thing against GB when they ended up running out of time. I can’t think of other specific games, but I know against GB I expected them to play it safe rather than try to score, so he had done it before.

        • BerwynBomber

          But your complaint was that he was too conservative and now, with GB, it was that he was too risky. My own thought is that Trestman has misused clock more than a few times and should be criticized for it but calling him “conservative” is misleading. As I recall last year, one of the early problems was that he seemed to go for it too much on fourth down in the RZs.

          • no, my complaint is still conservative. They wasted a good 30 seconds being too conservative early in the drive against GB, which cost them on the back end when they came up just short of the goal line and ran out of time.

          • BillW

            Not sure if that’s being conservative or overthinking. That was my complaint last year. Against gb He called a run and it worked then called another. Why? I wonder if he thought “they’ll never expect another run”. All it did was waste valuable time.

            He’s too cerebral in his play calling.

    • For me it depends on who’s free next off-season.
      If it’s just a bunch of re-treads or hot-shot unproven college coaches, don’t know about that.
      If it’s someone like Harbaugh, and Rex Ryan at DC, yes please!

      I trust Emery though. He stays at least for one or two more seasons. Emery has provided this roster with talent (except, you know Shea, Rodriguez, Hardin, etc). This team just underachieves, which is part of the massive frustration. Underachieving/inconsistency is the signature sign of bad coaching.

      • Trac

        Ryan will almost certainly hold out for a HC gig.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yep for at least a year as he can probably pick some TV work in between.

        • Go the Lovie route? Hmmm. Maybe.
          He did go to the AFC Championship a few times with Mark ButtFumble Sanchez.
          Plus, his GM didn’t exactly fill his roster with talent, so I can see an optimistic GM rationalizing.
          Still. I can’t believe a GM would hire him as a GM.
          Hopefully, if the Bears nab Harbaugh as HC, Rex will reunite with the Bears for nostalgic reasons.
          Maybe Harbaugh and Rex can reminisce about ‘iron mike’ lol

          • Trac

            Oh he’ll get a HC spot if he wants one.

      • BerwynBomber

        I truly wonder if Comeback would be interested in returning to the Midwest with his family. He’s been in CA well over ten years now. My impression was he coveted that SF job because he didn’t want to leave the Bay area. Plus, I don’t know if his memories are that fond of Chicago.

      • SC Dave

        Underachieving is the result of bad play.

    • Shady

      “After yesterday, I am officially on the Trestman needs to go bandwagon.
      Not that I advocate firing him mid-season. But if he doesn’t show a large improvement over these final 9 games, I’m done with him. And it’s been long enough that I don’t expect to see changes. Issues I have with him going back to last year:”

      Well then I guess you’re not yet OFFICIALLY on the bandwagon. If you’re going to give him the rest of the season, give him the rest of the season.

      You guys are so quick to pull the trigger on everyone. That’s not how this business works. You guys need to prepare your Angerer now because Jay ain’t going anywhere soon, Trestman ain’t going anywhere soon, and Emery ain’t going anywhere soon. So either jump on that bandwagon led by Buffalo Bill now, or wait for it all play out.

      • BerwynBomber

        Two more years of Jay but I could see Trestman gone after next year, though I suppose it could happen after this year too. PE I have no idea.

        • Shady

          Guess what? They’re all in it together.

        • SC Dave

          How on earth anyone could have more patience for Cutler than Trestman is beyond my comprehension.

      • let me rephrase that then: I have come to the conclusion that Trestman is a big part of the problem, and based on what I’ve seen so far, I don’t think he has it in him to change his ways and turn it around.

      • BillW

        Of course we have to wait for it to play out. That doesn’t mean we can’t see how it will.

        • Shady

          You ain’t waiting for shit Bill, you’re already the captain of the “*I* was right, fire Trestman” bandwagon. OWN THAT SHIT MAN! THAT’S YOU BIG GUY! YOU NAILED IT! YOU!!!!!

  • Shady

    I love watching JJ Watt play football. Not going to lie, I hope he gets a big hit and TD on Rapleberger tonight.

  • Trac

    I remember when cheeseheads were calling for McCarthys head. We’re stuck with a crap year gents, gotta suck it up and find ways to make it through the tough times. I suggest comedy and levity or this blog will become unbearable.

    • Huge Bear’s Penis

      Awe Man… does that mean we shouldn’t go on tirades against random posters? i guess you are right but you are no fun.

  • AlbertInTucson

    So, Jeff Fisher calls a fake punt, from his own 18 with under 3 minutes to go with a 2 point lead.
    The Rams absolutely PANTSED Pete Carroll’s special teams yesterday. In addition to that sucessful fake punt which allowed them to run out the clock, the Rams popped a conventional 75 yard kick-off return and the old “Fake receive right, catch it and run untouched to the left” punt return for a TD. Same one the Bears ran on the Packers with Johnny Knox that got called back on a penalty once upon a time.

    • EnderWiggin

      That was one of the worst flags ever thrown. Total phantom illegal block.

  • For what it’s worth, I officially gave up on Lovie Smith when he gave the game away in Atlanta in 2008 (one of 3 he gave away in the first 6 weeks that year by playing not to lose in the 4th quarter). I reached that point a lot faster with Trestman.

    • BillW

      It’s rare that a coach is fired after one or two years mainly because a quick trigger makes it tough to expect another coach to sign on. But the cheese dumped Rhodes after 1.

      There is nothing inconsistent with knowing a coach doesn’t have it even knowing he isn’t going anywhere right now.

      We’ve had three failed coaches that won reprieves by making the playoffs only delaying the inevitable and setting the team back further.

      But it would take a total collapse to think trestman gets fired after this year.

      • CanadaBear

        If he loses the team, he’s toast. The vast majority of the roster is PE’s.

        • BillW

          Right.

  • BerwynBomber

    The Texans would be very dangerous if they ever landed a top-15 QB. Even with a real good game manager type like Alex Smith and they would be an AFC title contender. Call me crazy but if I were them I would inquire about Sanchez. If nothing else he is better than Fitzpatrick and has big game experience.

    • they had that 2010-2012 with Matt Schaub. Won the division a couple times in that stretch. Never did much in the playoffs though, because a good D could shut them down.

      • BerwynBomber

        But Schaub was never a top-15 QB, regardless of what his stats said. I’m not saying Sanchez is either (hardly) but he is better than Fitzpatrick and shown that he could play better in big moments than Schaub. I assume they will draft a QB in the next draft anyway. Probably too late this year to make any moves at such a meaningful position but seems like I write-off in handing over the keys to Fitzpatrick. He will probably look good tonight — Pitt’s D makes ours look like epitome of good health — but I cant see going with a such guy on an otherwise solid team.

        • no, probably not top 15. But the classic game manager type.

          He didn’t really have that higher gear to crank it up in the playoffs like Smith does though.

        • Trac

          Sigh. I can’t believe I’m reading about Matt Schaub, Mark Sanchez and the Texans. Beam me up Scotty.

          • Scotty

            Sorry Sir, I can not get a lock on your pattern. You will need to continue your search for intelligent life. Good Luck Sir.

          • Trac

            Well played Sir. hahaha.

    • SC Dave

      Clowney aint even playing

  • Shady

    Brett Kiesel intercepts Ryan Fitzpatrick? That’s beard on beard crime right there.

  • wreckinball

    Ok I thought the Bears can F it up Texans take the cake

  • BillW

    Heard it yet again, this time from Zaidman. The offense is struggling because the league has a year’s film

    That’s puzzling at best. First, does an offense only have a 16 game shelf life? Second why isn’t that true of other teams?

    So teams actually prepare for the Bears and that’s the reason? I hope not.

    • I’m not buying that. They’ve had guys hurt and playing through injuries, which explains some of it.

      But in the 6 healthy quarters (first half against BUF and against MIA), they have 21 points and 5 turnovers. A few thoughts as to the problem:

      1) They’re not running enough. Lack of balance lets the opponent know what’s coming pretty well.
      2) The OL is struggling in pass protection. Trestman’s keeping less help in this year, and it’s not holding up. This cascades, as it leads to turnovers (Cutler already has more fumbles than last year) and bad habits by Cutler (poor mechanics due to not stepping into his passes).

      • BerwynBomber

        Can’t put all of Cutty’s issues on the O-line. Up till Carolina — and they didn’t play all that bad there — they looked like one of the best O-lines in football. A little shaky at times yesterday but no worse than Miami’s O-line. Wake wreaks havoc on most teams. Ratliff did the same on the Fish.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      That makes zero sense.

  • SC Dave

    I think it’s hilarious all the shit about the locker room dissention. “You just kick the ball”, Marshall purported yells at Gould.

    Why? My guess is Robbie told him to go fuck himself after BM blamed everyone *else* on the team for losing.

    • BerwynBomber

      Are we starting to see the BMarsh that got himself traded for fifty cents on the dollar from Denver and Miami? Most are taking his tongue-lashing positively and much needed but I can see how a few might see it as indicative of something else. Time will tell I suppose.

    • MikeBrownhadaPosse

      In fairness, he could have been bitching at O’Donnell.

  • BerwynBomber

    R-berger is still a top-10 QB when he is healthy. There is a reason he has two rings.

  • SC Dave

    I shouldn’t be posting yet (it’s only Monday), but when I watch Cutler play, it seems to me that he just does not think *fast* enough. Tannehill found his receivers quickly, and got rid of the ball fast.

    While some of it may be scheme, Jay always seems to have to think too long. It’s not like he’s stupid – the guy is articulate and at times insightful.

    Just not soon enough to be better than an average QB in the NFL.

    • Miami played man which forced contested throws all day.

      Chicago sat back in a soft zone. Tannehill know pre-snap that he could make any throw he wanted within 7 yards and the receiver would be wide open. The Dolphins also used a lot of pre-snap motion to create mismatches and help Tannehill identify the defense.

      I really believe that a HUGE part of the problem was that Chicago was simply outcoached yesterday on both sides of the ball.

      • SC Dave

        Perhaps, but I was not just referring to yesterday. Cutler has been like this all along.

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          Dave, stop yourself. 9 of your last 12 comments in the last hour are anti cutler. It’s like cutlers great great grandpa was a union general and ordered the wholesale rape of your family’s town during the war.
          Tannehill looked like fucking Steve young, they punted once and all you can talk about is an interception.
          Do you think there may have been other factors in play during this National Football League game?

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Emery was fucking mystified by man coverage, completely pissed on the gameplan, the D fucking sucked so badly, the line gave up pressure almost every pass play including Mills getting beat within ONE step on the strip sack. Cutler overthrew his TE for an interception.

            The only issue you have with this game is that play. That’s crazy. It’s simply insane.

          • CanadaBear

            Johnny there is more to it than that. He overthrew a double covered receiver and a 3rd DB was there to intercept the overthrow because he said Cutler never looks off his intended target. The entire game Cutler had no sense of urgency, timing, energy, nothing. He looked like he was going through the motions and the score reflected that. Apparently BMarsh kinda agrees with me.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Guys, he missed Alshon on a bomb by a foot and a half. He had 2 TD’s dropped on the last drive alone. The Dolphins D line assraped the Bears line all day. The play calling was putrid….

            How many back shoulders were there? ZERO
            How many quick pitches to get outside of the D ends? ZERO
            How many vertical TE routes even 5+ yards down the field to move the ball? ONE
            How many screens? ONE
            How many designed rollouts to relieve pressure on the line?ONE

            I mean what the fuck? We barely ran the ball, we didn’t use Alshon intelligently at all at any point in time.

          • BerwynBomber

            The D had their worst game of the season. (I’m rating it worse than GB because of the Rodgers vs. Tannehill factor.) BUT .. they also had to deal with 3 TOs, which all occurred in our territory and one in our RZ. Again, hardly a great effort by them but I’d give our O a worse grade. 14 points with this level of talent is as, BMarsh said, unacceptable.

          • SC Dave

            You are hilarious. You foam at the mouth like a child, and tell ME I should stop posting. And what post did I mention an interception, dipshit?

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Dave, please re-read J.Wood’s posts. If it doesn’t come from me maybe you can accept it. Please just read the posts.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            not stop posting in general, just stop your obsessive and constant pick pick pick pick on one aspect of this team with multiple issues.

          • SC Dave

            Just stop you obsessive lying about my posts.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            i don’t know what that means.

      • SC Dave

        “know pre-snap”… sounds like faster thinking. And wide open is a clear exaggeration. There were a number of throws in which the Bears had a guy within a couple of feet of the receiver and the ball was simply delivered to the right place.

        You don’t throw 14 completions in a row (or was it 15?) without being accurate.

        For some reason, Bears fans just don’t want to admit when the other QB plays a good game. Is it that they don’t want to recognize that Cutler is in the bottom half of the league and all these so-called “average” QBs will look better than Jay?

        • no seriously. Go back and watch the tape. Pretty much every receiver underneath was open all day long.

          Chicago’s defense has been horrible at zone all year, yet they continue to play it.

          • SC Dave

            See my previous followup to your response.

      • SC Dave

        I did comment earlier that Tucker’s lack of adjustment was a distressing part of the game, since he seemed to be doing a good job of that for several weeks in a row.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Jiggs commented yesterday on Bears Postgame that he thought a couple of the ‘Fins sacks were the result of Cutler holding the ball too long.

    • BerwynBomber

      Cutler’s a see-it first passer. He is less a spot thrower than most other QBs. He can get away with it — somewhat — because of his big arm, but yes, it can lead to him holding the ball for an inordinate amount of time.
      R-berger is a little like that himself and gets away with it because he can shed so many tacklers. But yes, guys like Brady and Manning are generally throwing anticipatory passes to spots. Or at least doing more frequently than a guy like Jay.

      • SC Dave

        I don’t know how to characterize Manning, other than amazingly good.

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      This was one of your worst posts ever.

      • SC Dave

        lol… of course you would say so. Because no matter what, you will NEVER see the reality that Jay Cutler is, by any objective measure, no better than an average NFL QB.

        • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

          Dave, J.Wood just politely and factually showed that your post was absolute fucking trash and your only response is….”perhaps”.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            it’s like you didn’t even watch the game. Did you watch the game this time? i’m being serious. Because in the past there have been times that you have actually not watched the game yet found it necessary to comment on aspects that you had no idea about.

          • SC Dave

            So explain to me exactly how anything you or JWood has posted indicates that Jay Cutler is a better than average NFL QB.

            Okay, I’ll grant I left out a word. STARTING NFL QB….

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Dave, you’re laser focus on this one subject is simply not in line with the game of football. You’re starting to veer into a dangerous territory when i’m simply trying to point out that over the last hour you managed to scroll through the entire thread to insert your little comments about the quarterback who threw one interception like he threw 4. Every single thread or conversation now has you tacked on the end of it.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            then proceed to treat Tannehill like he wasn’t playing against rookies at 3 to 6 position on the field at one time playing zone and allowing 7-16 yards per pass play because they play zone like shit…..while at the same time somehow making a connection between that and the play of our quarterback in the same game.

          • SC Dave

            You still refuse to address the point. Explain to me how Jay Cutler is a better than average starting NFL QB.

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Well Dave, without quoting your exact posts, we can address the whole, “Jay doesn’t make quick enough decisions to be better than an average QB”. This post was addressed sufficiently by J.Wood who actually illustrated why Tannehill looked like he invented the fucking forward pass during this game and at one point went 14 for 15 with a 123 rating with DB’s sometimes not being within 5 to 7 yards of remotely being in position……

            Should we address 2009, 2010, 2011,2012, 2013 or the current season? Should we talk about how the speed of his decisions this year has no impact on the interceptions that were thrown or the spectacular plays? Can we agree that his overthrow of Bennett probably didn’t have anything to do with the “speed of his decision” since the play was designed for our TE to run entirely across the fucking field?

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            i can’t even address it without a vein in my head starting to bulge. what does that comment even mean???

          • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

            Stop editing every post like a revisionist historian

          • SC Dave

            Idiot, your response here is entirely irrelevant to that entire thread. As usual.

      • Shady
        • BerwynBomber

          Dave and Waffle could take their Cutler debates on tour. Lincoln/Douglas would have nothing on them.

          • SC Dave

            That would not likely be a good plan.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Attention Kyle Long:

    When the Steelers were getting their butts kicked early in this game they were also getting BOOED by their own, beloved Steeler faithful so toughen up, buttercup.

  • Lots of talk about Cutler. Understandable. My $0.02:

    Cutler is part of the problem. Cutler is decidedly not the entire problem.

    Like Jeff said, Cutler is who he has always been. Why does this surprise people? I swear half the Bears fans thought preseason he was gonna be better than Rodgers and win MVP, while the other half (and some crossovers) are saying now he’s Blaine freaking Gabbert.

    Guess what? Both sides are equally wrong (and dumb).

    Cutler is what Cutler is. He’s an above-average QB who can make some great plays but will make some dumb ones too. The trick is to figure out how to maximize his play, which Trestman kind of sort of has this year, but there’s a little better he can do still IMO.

    Cutler is currently 11th in the NFL in passer rating. He’s not playing MVP caliber, and he never will, but he’s been above-average. He’s still making some mistakes (more mechanical than decision making this year, IMO, including all of his damn fumbles because he doesn’t wrap up when he knows he’s going down). He’s also generally making better and more consistent decisions than he has at any point in his career.

    What we’re seeing now is a slightly better version of what Cutler has always been. This is what he is, for better and worse, and that’s not going to change.

    • 3 specific things I would change to try and maximize Cutler’s play:
      1) Max protect for the next 2 games to get him comfortable in the pocket again. This will improve his mechanics, which have regressed from last year.
      2) Run the ball more. This goes along with improving his protection. If the defense doesn’t know there’s a 75% chance of a pass, that slows down the pass rush just that extra split second. That can make a huge difference.
      3) More creative play calling to help improve things pre-snap. More pre-snap motion gives the QB a chance to get a better read on the defense. More creative alignments to schematically help the receivers get open instead of lining up in basic looks and expecting your personnel to win their matchups (this isn’t consistently working terribly well this year).

      • BillW

        Curious if you think teams are possibly catching on to what makes Jay audible and to what. They show press coverage and know Jay will go deep but they have the safety ready

        • there might be something to that. I’m curious how many plays he audibles out of and if that might be contributing to the playcalling issues.

      • SC Dave

        Definitely have to agree on (2) – not only about pass rush but also wrt play action. What’s your opinion on Carey? He seems effective at times, and given that Trestman et al obviously like Forte in the passing game, it seems getting Ka’deem 6-10 carries per game might be a good idea?

        As much as I like Matt, I’m not sure 350+ touches is a good long-term plan.

        • I like Carey a lot. I want to see him get more looks to spell Forte, who IMO is getting both too many snaps and touches. I also want to see Carey get a chance at short-yardage, as he seems to have a knack of always squeezing that extra half yard or yard out of a carry and runs through contact pretty well (though Forte has been better at that as of late).

    • BerwynBomber

      Solid post. I think the 11th in the league stats are a tad misleading but that is about my only criticism and his stats are what they are. I will always wonder, though, about deciding to build the franchise around him. I tend to think we overrated him — or invested more hopes into him — than we should have simply because our past QB play was so average-to-below average.

      • who below him would you say has been better? I could see maybe Big Ben and Cam. You can also make an argument he’s been better than guys above him like Eli Manning and Joe Flacco. I’d say somewhere in the 11-13 range is about right. Which brings me right back to… above average.

        • BerwynBomber

          Yeah, I would take all those guys over Cutler (until Cam loses his big run ability). But we are somewhat splitting hairs. I would have him more in the 14-18 range. Btw, have you looked at ESPN’s QBR? Here’s the link to the latest. (Cutler, BTW, is 13th in QBR so not a huge variation from traditional QR.)

          http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

          • I’m not a huge fan of QBR. It actually has a higher correlation to win % than conventional passer rating, but I despise having a rating like that where I don’t know the formula to dissect it, and I also don’t like how it weights based on some arbitrary metrics. Furthermore, it cannot be calculated until after the game, since it factors in 4th quarter weighted so heavily.

            I was involved in a project to evaluate total quarterback performance a few years back. We settled on 3 factors: moving the ball (air or ground), scoring the ball (air or ground), and avoiding turnovers (air or ground). Basically a modified passer rating that included rushing and fumbles. Weighted on a scale where 50 was set to average (based on the last 10 years), and your overall rating was a bell curve around 50. Results weighted by pass/run ratio (so 19 passes and 1 run means 95% of your score would be passing).

            I really liked it, but unfortunately that site kind of fell apart and we don’t calculate it anymore.

          • BerwynBomber

            Agree that there is an arbitrary almost subjective aspect to QBR. Anyway, an imperfect science no matter which you rely on.
            Btw, have you checked out Aikman’s efficiency rankings? They’re team-oriented only but somewhat interesting.

          • Cormonster

            Have you ever done a statistical analysis of QB’s performance vs. run-pass ratio? I’m guessing just above average QB’s like Cutler, Romo, Stafford, Flacco, Ryan, Eli, maybe Rivers, etc. all perform better with a very balanced offense of run and pass. I bet most of those QB’s have pretty high ratings when the team runs 25-35 times in a game. Just a hypothesis I’m too lazy to look into.

          • What I would taken into account for QB rating is weighing INTs.
            So, for example, when a team is down by one score, driving, and already in scoring range, then the QB throws an INT into the gut of a DT, or sails one 5 yards over the head of a WR and gets INTs, THOSE INTS are MUCH worse than garbage time INTs, Hail-Marys, or non-crunch time INTs, or if a team is up by two scores or more (or even if a DB made a great play, or if it bounced off a receivers hand to a defender, etc).

            Not all INTs are created equally.

            However, a person/team would have to dedicate a massive amount of time to watching each INT for every QB to put it into context.

            For some reason, Cutler’s INTs seem to come at THE WORST times, just like with Romo (hence the verb: Romo’d), but maybe that’s because I follow him more than Eli, Flacco, Rothlisberger, etc.

            For instance, Brees I think has the same amount of INTs thus far as Cutty (maybe you can compare those two to enlighten us, Data). However, Brees by all accounts is having a “down” year, and without Graham or a true RB, little weapons.

            Still, be interesting to weigh the INTs (maybe QBR tries this, albeit, this might lead to some subjectivity in the criteria)

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      ok, this has gone on long enough. There are two guys currently playing, Rodgers and Manning, that will probably go down as two of the best quarterbacks ever to play the game of football.
      Between them they have 2 Superbowls. TWO SUPERBOWLS between two of the greatest quarterbacks ever to play the game.

      1. Dave stop comparing Cutler to Rodgers. It’s fucking lunacy. We know Rodgers is better, hence the fucking hall of fame chatter. he also played the majority of his career in one system with one play caller and more talent at the WR position than the Bears have had in their fucking history.
      2. If 2 of the very best have 2 rings between them do we think there may be more to the equation than if a guy is “elite”, like does he have a fucking awesome team around him? Can we stop talking about “elite”? When guys are short weapons or scheme or personnel on the line they ALLLLLLLL become average to above average. It’s the fucking reason they became elite in the first place.
      3. Taking out 2 INT’s from Cutlers 14TD 7INT ratio possibly gets us 2 more wins. That’s right. The other teams scored so often when touching the ball that if they simply got it again no matter where they were on the field they were going to fucking score. That would hurt any “elite” quarterback’s record. It means there is no room for error. He made the fucking error.
      4. Comparing our quarterback and the first 3 or 4 years he had to endure in the fucking clown car shit box that was the bears personnel and coaching situation is a pretty tough variable to ignore as people proclaim what a guy is or what he is not, what he will do in the future or what he won’t, etc. It’s a brutal argument that a lot of guys on this blog make and it’s tiresome.

      I could go on forever with actual examples of guys that have a lot of talent didn’t do shit with it because they had shitty coaches, shitty lines, no weapons, shitty D’s, tons of injuries and sometimes just fucking bad luck. you could make a list 15 guys long that are deemed winners that haven’t won shit. Some guys have won titles that would be laughingstocks on our team. Guys succeed and fail as part of an overall group in the game so why the fuck are these posts about 1 motherfucking guy? The guy with the 95 rating 3rd in the league in TD’s and 7INT’s???? Because the rest of the team is so fucking average that 2 INT’s not thrown puts us at 5-2. But we’re not 5-2 because we did turn the ball over. Brandon did fumble it, guys did drop TD’s, the D does indeed fucking suck. Allen is in fact garbage, we are playing rookies at all spots including corner, safety, d line and linebacker, our kick return unit is implored NOT to return the ball, etc. you guys see what I’m fucking getting at?

      It’s not about ONE FUCKING GUY. It has never been about one fucking guy. it will never be about one fucking guy. it’s football.

      • Scott W.

        Sir!

      • great QBs win a ton of regular season games. Great teams (especially teams that are great in the trenches) win championships.
        There’s a reason why teams led by huge-name QBs with high-flying offenses always “come up short” in the postseason. Those QBs are so good they mask deficiencies on the roster, but those deficiencies get exposed sooner or later against the best teams.

  • BerwynBomber

    My take on Cutler is that the template/expectation has always been off. The media, the fans, heck even his coaching staffs (I suppose) have hoped he would morph into some poor man’s version of Rodgers/Brady/Manning; that is, guys who are highly productive but put an ultimate premium on ball security without seeming to compromise their productivity. That, I believe, might never happen with Jay. Instead, what should be the template for Jay is as a poor man’s Favre or Brees; that is, guys who were/are more than capable of making bone-head plays (like Jay) but also consistently put up gaudy numbers (unlike Jay) and could seemingly strike at any time. Cutler’s mistakes/”WTF was that?” moments will never be completely coached out of him — IMV — but they could be offset if he was more productive. That to me is the more realistic expectation of Cutler than expecting him not to have three or four wince-inducing plays every other game.

    • I think most fans (except Johnny perhaps) have come to this conclusion already. Some sooner than others. Like I said after the Packer game, the Bears need to LIMIT not let LOOSE Cutler, much like the Cowboys limited Romo this year. When we get to the playoffs, it’s a different story, esp with our D. Dalton, Schuab, etc have proven that “game manager” QBs flame-out in the play-offs unless they have a truly dominant D (Wilson, Dilfer, etc).
      So I say limit Cutler in the regular season. Rely on the run game (we have an elite RB and decent line). Get to the playoffs, then maybe unleash Cutler ala Eli/Flacco, if he’s made of that stuff.
      Unfortunately, Trestman has not concluded the same, which is why our record is what it is.

  • EnderWiggin

    What in theeee fuck is this world coming to? Two of our favorite posters over the last few years (Waffle and SCDave) are about to come to blows. Ya’ll need to chill, this is obviously BillW’s fault.

    Speaking of blows.. I bet Chris Collinsworth gives an awesome blowjob. Watching that game last night just about had me in monitor-throwing mode.

    • SC Dave

      The best solution to Collinsworth, in my experience, is to turn the sound off.

      • I live in a small condo with hardwood floors where sound carries. My wife, who is a teacher with a 45 minute commute, goes to work by 8pm every weeknight.

        Suffice it to say I watch a LOT of sports with the volume off. For the sports I know well-basketball and football-I find I enjoy the experience more. Only time it was annoying was with hockey, which I don’t know as well (especially when I started watching 2-3 years ago) and made it more difficult to learn the game.

        • BillW

          A teacher who goes to work at 8pm? Maybe you meant goes to bed at 8

  • TheBigCheesy

    • Donnnnn’t Caaaaarrrrrre!

      unfortunately we then got Angelo’d.

      Also, what in your mental make up inspired you to post this? This is not your forum. I’ve never met bigger douchebags than Packer fans. We got a guy at work fired and he tried to kill himself. He was a packer troll but it was a deeper mental issue that he had where he craved positive attention and when he couldn’t get it he craved negative attention. it was interesting to see it play out in front of the computer screen.

      • TheBigCheesy

        First I thought it was really interesting to go back to 2009 and hear Dan Berstein’s unbridled excitement about anything – let alone a quarterback who he’s grown enormously tired of – and then listen to him on a “Bears Monday” in 2014.

        Also, the Jay Cutler’s trade to the Bears coincided with (ignited, perhaps?) the most enjoyable stretch of the Bears-Packers rivalry that any Packers’ fan could ever ask for. It’s always great to recall the moment when it all started.

  • Viva

    Waffle For President (2016).

    Perspective is a virtue.

    • Cormonster

      I might vote for Waffle, but first I need to hear his stance on the school lunch program and head start.

      • Viva

        Vote for him? You’re his veep. You two need to make this happen.

        • Cormonster

          Me? I’m one of those crazy nut jobs that agrees with the Dutch and Swedes that parents should have oversight of their kid’s education, and not a bureaucracy at any level. That we should have government funded, not government run education. That schools and teachers be graded by parents, not state and local unelected individuals. That parents vote with the dollars in their pocket to choose the school they think is best for their kid, especially in poor areas.

          • NewBearInTown

            Yes, but when they go those schools. Should the government pay for lunch?

          • Cormonster

            Sure, why not.

  • Ososfan

    I don’t know if any of you guys have mentioned but I also believe Cutler loses confidence in his receivers quickly. He threw a bunch to Alshon and Alshon kept dropping some throws he should have easily caught, then again with Bmarsh and Bennett. The receivers and O Line should have taken blame as well. Why not try no huddle more often, isn’t that what Cutler likes? It’s seems many of the top Qb’s prefer that option, they were talking about it a lot with regards to Peyton mannning on Sunday….

  • Scott W.

    I was off the blog after yesterday morning. Had to mount up on 85 horses wrapped in John Deere green and tend to the 125 (acres).
    While working all day, I eventually started thinking about the blog and Jay Cutler. Must have been something in the air over Bears Fan Universe, because I decided I was going to stop ripping Jay. It’s all about that ugly word “expectations”.
    Bottom line, I’m glad he’s here.

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