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On Masters Week, Nine Holes Bears Must Fill to Succeed in 2014

| April 8th, 2014

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I love golf. And while most golf fans are down on their knees with their mouths in the lap of Augusta National, I am more reserved. I think Augusta is, for the most part, the most self-indulgent sports entity in creation and The Open Championship is my favorite tournament. But I still get excited for the first major championship of the season and it seems a convenient way to put a column together.

Here are nine issues, nine holes, still facing the 2014 Bears.

Hole #1 Tea Olive

The Bears don’t currently have a good safety on the roster. Is it possible Ryan Mundy will thrive at the strong safety position after showing limited flashes in both Pittsburgh and New York? Yes. But ask yourself this question: if Mundy were a budding star, why would the two best run organizations in the sport, both with proud lineages on defense, let him walk out the door?

And while Chris Conte has been the subject of ridicule, he’s a capable free safety if his run-stopping assignments are limited. His lack of availability for the bulk of training camp won’t help build his confidence heading into the 2014 season. I see his days in Chicago numbered.

Hole #2 Pink Dogwood

The Bears will have to win a game or two with Jordan Palmer playing quarterback. History says what history says and history says Jay Cutler will get banged up at some point during the season. Today, that would mean Palmer steps under center.

Side note: I could have written the same thing, with Josh McCown’s name a year ago and it turned out not to be a hole. But McCown at least has a MINOR track record in the sport. Palmer does not.

Hole #3 Flowering Peach

What happens if Brandon Marshall or Alshon Jeffery go down for a significant period of time? The answer? Last year’s seventh round draft pick. This is a hole until Marquess Wilson proves it isn’t.

Hole #4 Flowering Crab Apple

If you asked me what the most intriguing Bourbonnais camp battle will be, I’d argue Drew Butler v. Tress Way for the punter role. I’d argue this for several reasons. (1) I am slightly obsessed with punting. Slightly. (2) Kevin Butler’s kid is in the discussion and Butler v. Ditka were some of the greatest, one-sided battles in Bears history. (3) I like the name Tress Way. Sounds like a road in Oklahoma. (4) Last year the Bears defense was not only bad but they were never allowed the luxury of defending a long field due to the disastrous season from Adam Podlesh. Expecting the Bears defense to turn completely around in 2014 is a bit unrealistic. They need a good punter.

Hole #5 Magnolia

What the hell is going on at linebacker? We can assume D.J. Williams starts in the middle and Lance Briggs on the weak-side. Is James Anderson going to be brought back? Are Bostic and Shea going to have a legitimate competition for “one spot”? With the amount of time NFL defenses spend in coverage packages, will the strong-side backer even see the field on passing downs? And does that mean the Bears are considering taking all the speed Bostic and Shea present and benching it once the opposition spreads them out?

This is not a hole, as in a hole in a pair of pants. This is not something that necessarily must be fixed. This is a hole, as in your walking in a forest and come across a dark hole and wonder, “Hey, what’s in that dark hole in this forest?” I just haven’t wrapped my mind around the plan at the position.

Side note: I would stick McClellin behind Jared Allen on some third downs, let Allen hold the edge/contain and release Shea’s speed at the QB.

Hole #6 Juniper

There has been much debate about where the Bears will go with their first round pick but, in my mind, their biggest fillable need is at defensive tackle. (I don’t take a safety in the first round unless I’m sure he’s a game changer.) Aaron Donald, Timmy Jernigan and physical freak Ra’Shede Hageman could all turn out to be productive NFL players in the middle. I expect Jay Ratliff to have a terrific season and I’m a big Nate Collins fan but for the life of me I don’t understand what the world sees in Stephen Paea. Bears need a third guy and there will be one available at fourteen.

Side note: this is not a prediction. I’ve given up trying to predict Phil Emery. I think outside QB, RB and the OL, every position is on the table for Emery at fourteen.

Hole #7 Pampas

Is Chris Williams (oh that name) going to provide the electricity the Bears expected when they signed him off the Saints practice squad? Bears fans began to take for granted how greatly Devin Hester influenced opposing coaches. Williams has a lot to prove. From a Sun-Times piece by Adam Jahns:

Williams set a Canadian Football League record with six return touchdowns in 2012 with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats. An undrafted free agent from New Mexico State in 2009, Williams also had 1,117 punt-return yards and 83 receptions for 1,298 yards and 11 touchdowns that season. He’s considered an intriguing prospect.

“I had a few offers [from other teams],” Williams said Monday. “I was in a good situation in New Orleans, and I decided to stick that out. And then Chicago came, and obviously [there’s] familiarity. Once I sat down with my family and we just started talking, this seemed like the best place for me to continue my football career, so we made the move.”

Here is a look at what Williams can do:

Hole #8 Yellow Jasmine

Is Lance Briggs going to wake up and take over this defense? Brian Urlacher’s physical ability was not missed a year ago as he didn’t have much physical ability left. But many of us expected Briggs to compensate for the tangible loss of calling plays in the huddle/getting players lined up correctly and the intangible loss of leadership in the post-Urlacher era. Injury aside, Briggs never seemed fully there in 2013 and his critical comments about the organization illustrated a man desperately unhappy. If Briggs wants, this defense could be his. If Briggs wants, he could leave a legacy greater than Urlacher’s. But does Briggs want?

Hole #9 Carolina Cherry

With an offense so dependent on the running back in the passing game, Bears pool is shallow behind Matt Forte. (The only other back on the roster is Michael Ford.) Having a second running back is not a depth concern. Having a second productive running back is a necessity in the NFL.

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  • gpldan

    And while most golf fans are down on their knees with their mouths in the lap of Augusta National, I am more reserved.

    We feel better Jeff, that you are more a handjob kinda guy than the full-on beejer. We like that in bloggers.

    Hole 2 – We’re not going into Game 1 with Palmer as the backup. We’re just not.

    On Hole 5 – I do not see why people are so damn down on K-Greene. I think he steps into that 3rd LB role this year.

    • Johnathan Wood

      it is WAAAAY too early to start casting judgment on Emery’s draft record-for good or bad.

      On the one hand, he’s already drafted two Pro Bowlers, which is the same amount Angelo landed between 2005 and 2011 (not counting ST guys).

      On the other hand, he doesn’t have a single D pick that looks good yet. But it’s still too early to give up on any of the guys left on the roster (maybe Shea).

      In regards specifically to Greene, IMO he was drafted to be Briggs’ replacement, which means I’m not going to consider that pick a disappointment unless he’s not starting by 2015.

      • gpldan

        it is WAAAAY too early

        I really don’t think it is. Not in today’s NFL. After this draft, you know who Emery is. I think three drafts is fair. To his credit, he has booked a couple Pro Bowlers in Jeffery and Long.

        But when you don’t have a lot of picks, you can’t afford guys who contribute zilch or bust out on personality issues. Hardin was just stupid in Rnd 3.

        • Johnathan Wood

          he’s had 2 drafts so far. It takes (usually) at least 3 years to evaluate a draft. So we can’t even fully evaluate his 1st draft yet (though we kinda can since 3 of the 6 are off the roster), much less last years’.

      • SC Dave

        BRIGGS, TILLMAN, T Harris, Orton, Hester, Olsen (don’t care what you guys think, he was a decent pick), FORTE.

        Okay, not a lot to go with those, although the CAPS guys are certainly excellent choices. Also, two drafts basically traded away for Cutler (2009/2010).

        I’m not saying Glitchy was good, but he did get a few good guys.

        • Johnathan Wood

          he got Briggs, Tillman, Harris, Orton all before 2005. That was when his drafts went south in a hurry.

          • NewBearInTown

            If you give Angelo credit for Cutler (and you should), you give Emery credit for Marshall. So with his 7 “money” picks (top three rounds), he’s gotten us Shea, Long, Jeffery, Bostic and Hardin plus Brandon Marshall.
            Marshall and Jeffery are both key starters. Long is looking like an O-line anchor for the next 5+ years. Hardin was a bust. Shea and Bostic are thus far not contributing up to what you would expect for where they were drafted.
            With his last 7 “money” picks, Angelo got us Carimi, Conte, Paea, Major Wright, Jarron Gilbert and Juaqin Iglesias. Plus Cutler, Gaines Adams and Henry Melton (picked in the fourth using a second round pick).
            So Angelo gets credit for trading down to get more bodies. He also got us Cutler and Melton, two solid players. Conte, Wright and Paea were also decent picks – none of them is a great player, but they started quite a few games and would have no trouble finding work on other teams if we cut them. But there’s a lot of garbage in those picks. A lot of busts.
            Gaines Adams is tragically a big question mark, but the pick we traded to get him? Rob Gronkowski.

          • And I’ve been banging on this drum for a while. The COACHING staff had a lot to do with Glitchy. Carimi was numb-nuts pick. You know Melton was a Lovie-Rod special. I would say Conte, Wright and Paea were more Glitchy turds, but they all had their grubby little hands on it.

          • AlbertInTucson

            The Bears litany of first round busts at the offensive tackle position goes back DECADES.

          • NewBearInTown

            Carimi was a solid lineman who hurt his knee and never looked the same. You can’t be certain he wouldn’t have panned out without that injury. And I give Emery the same credit for Long that I give Angelo for Melton. The coaching helped, but he brought in the coaching.

          • Johnathan Wood

            Mills will start at least 4 years in Chicago, barring injury or unexpected regression. I still think the 2013 draft will turn out to be a really good one.

          • NewBearInTown

            I don’t disagree that Emery has the potential for 2013 being a monster draft. But Wilson could be horrible when he hits the field. Mills could get hurt, have Long and Garza each slide over, and find himself out of a job. Greene, Shea and Bostic could all find themselves beat out by other players. And Frey is like Conte, he’s looked good in a limited supporting role, but if we put too much pressure on him, he could fold.

            I hope none of that happens, but its too early to anoint Emery.

          • Johnathan Wood

            I’m not anointing him. I’m saying it’s too early to say for sure, but right now it looks like he’s trending towards above-average overall. But need time to truly evaluate this with GMs.

          • Ososfan

            Frey looked pretty good with his limited snaps. Check that last GB game. The only reason he wasn’t mentioned was because the fricking announcers didn’t know his name and were calling him by a diffrent name. Idiots!!!

          • Ososfan

            I agree with you, Woods. I think Hardin would have done real well had he not changed positions or been set up to fail, as even Emery stated. He looked so good on tape that you had to root for the guy to be at least decent. I bet he’ll do well for the Jets in a couple of years. And I agree that most of the picks need more time to be scrutinized. I’ll be VERY patient……

          • Johnathan Wood

            Hardin never did anything more than ST in college. Was always hurt in college. Was never a good pick, IMO.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Again, Kyle Orton got us Cutler. The Broncos needed a starter from the trade, and it was either either Jason Campbell or Kyle Orton’s teams that was getting the nod.

    • el_caney

      it´s seems, according to Jeff, if there is no Ha-ha and Donald aviable Emery will roll the dice with Hagemman… Congrats!!

  • Trac

    Hole #1

    SS will be settled once our front 7 are established. I’m not worried about this. A nasty DL will go a long way in making our DB’s more than capable. It’s no secret I like Moseley in the first round and I think that’s who Emery’s gonna draft.

    • Johnathan Wood

      a great DL/front 7 made Conte/Wright look like one of the NFL’s top young duos in 2012. I think people forget that fact too easily.

      Carolina’s secondary last year was not good, but they looked great because of the front 7. They had a bunch of guys leave this year on big contracts elsewhere (after playing at well above their career levels in 2012), and have arguably upgraded while replacing them with minimum-level guys.

      • SC Dave

        Exactamundo on the first sentence, although perhaps a little overstated. I never liked Wright. (Okay, MB, come after me again for not hating Conte…)

      • Ososfan

        Please inform this to MB. I don’t think our D will need studs in the secondary, just above average/solid guys that wont get burned and know how to tackle and know the damn plays…

  • Trac

    Great post Jeff. I like the change of pace.

  • Johnathan Wood

    ” if Mundy were a budding star, why would the two best run organizations in the sport, both with proud lineages on defense, let him walk out the door?”

    This is a fair question, but I question calling PIT and NYG the two best-run organizations in the sport. PIT has a new GM in the last 5 or so years and he really has not done a very good job (which is why they’re crumbling as all their good players are old and overpaid). The NYG do have 2 SB under their current GM, but they also have missed the playoffs more than they make them.

    I would say BAL, GB, SF, SEA at minimum are clearly ahead of those 2 teams in terms of upper management.

    • gpldan

      The Ravens Flacco contract should immediately demote them from any position of General Manager prominence.

      • Johnathan Wood

        yeah, that was pretty bad. And incredibly back-loaded (cap hit of $24.8M+ 2016-2018, with at least $15M in dead money both 2016-2017), unlike Cutler’s deal.

        But all in all I think Ozzie might be the best GM in the NFL.

    • Johnathan Wood

      but in regards to Mundy, I’m not expecting anything like star from him. Hoping for competent/solid.

    • NewBearInTown

      Don’t forget NE. Although they haven’t had stellar drafts that last couple of years.

      • NewBearInTown

        Actually looking closer, they’ve alternated. 2010 and 2012 were good years. 2011 and 2013 not so much.

      • Johnathan Wood

        yeah, NE too, but they generally have drafted pretty poorly the last 10 years or so. But Belichick is extremely smart in how he runs things. Works the draft tremendously in terms of trading down and getting great value to stockpile picks.

      • AlbertInTucson

        Belicheat does as much with whatever he has as anybody. LeGarrett Blount was a steal for the Pats last year. On the other hand, they DID sign Albert Haynesworth and Chad Johnson and got ZIP from both of them.

    • AlbertInTucson

      The Steelers have been tyring to shore up their O-line for years.

      • Johnathan Wood

        seriously, their draft record in the last 5 years or so is TERRIBLE.

        http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/draft.htm

        • AlbertInTucson

          IT is a bit amazing that the Bears have been able to improve their line while the Steelers have continued to struggle.

          Of course, part of the Steelers’ pass protection problems are due to Big Ben way too often holding on to the ball way too long.

          • Johnathan Wood

            yeah, but a big part is that they haven’t found any respectable OTs in a while. Sounds familiar.

  • Johnathan Wood

    “But McCown at least has a MINOR track record in the sport. Palmer does not. But McCown at least has a MINOR track record in the sport. Palmer does not”

    McCown’s track record prior to last year: 58% completion, 6.3 yards per attempt, 37 touchdowns, 44 interceptions, 32 fumbles lost, passer rating of 71.2 (season high of 74.9).

    Are we really THAT worried about losing him? Let’s be honest: he was a truly bad NFL QB from 2002-2012. I don’t think he suddenly became good in 2013 at 33 years old

    I don’t know that any QB can come in and completely replicate Josh’s success, but IMO any QB that is good enough to stick around in the NFL as long as Jordan Palmer has can look at least competent behind a good OL handing off to Matt Forte and throwing to Marshall/Jeffery/Bennett/Forte with a good play caller.

    • gpldan

      We should have beat the Texans to Ryan Fitzpatrick.

      The guy scored a 50 on a test where 49 is a perfect score. In Nine minutes.

      He and Trestman could illustrate plays using holograms in 3D and revisit all of Fischer’s old matches.

      • Johnathan Wood

        I truly think smart guys are the ideal here. A smart guy can make it work in this system with these weapons.

        So find a smart guy that is cheap for whatever reason, and he should be fine.

        • AlbertInTucson

          Agree.A “smart guy” needs weapons like the Bears possess.

          Could it be argued that McCown’s career numbers aren’t better because he toiled in obscuirty with some bottom-feeding teams?

          • Johnathan Wood

            could be, but he had some years in Arizona with Fitz/Boldin where he still sucked.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Maybe, but, I don’t thnk the Cards have been good at protecting the QB since, hmm…maybe Neil Lomax? Even Kurt Warner took a pounding and admits that while he still had some gas left in the tank when he retired, he feared for his long-term health.

            I would be willing to bet that Josh McCown never had pass protectection like he enjoyed last season

          • Johnathan Wood

            only other seasons with significant PT were in Oakland and ARI, so probably not. Still, he didn’t even approach mediocre until last year.

      • SC Dave

        Wow, a friggin chess reference! +2,760 blog points.

        (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_chess#Highest_rating)

        • NewBearInTown

          I don’t know if anyone on the blog is actually a chess fan. Its interesting that Bobby Fischer is still regarded in pop culture as the greatest of all time. He was definitely the greatest American player of all time. But there have been several other really special champions that make equally strong cases.

          Fischer was famous for breaking the Soviet monopoly on the world title, but the recent world champion Gary Kasparov is regarded by most current players as the greatest of all time. Gary is Russian, but is know for his political dissidence against Putin’s regime. He recently left Russia for good, citing concerns for his personal safety.

          Paul Morphy was the greatest player of the 1800s. If your kid wants to be really great, have him study Morphy’s games. He was an attacking genius and so far ahead of his contemporaries he made world class players look like amateurs. Morphy was also much more fan-friendly as he was a brutal attacking tactician. Mikhail Tal was similarly fun to watch, and a great champion of the Soviet era known for surprising sacrifices and the ability to see 10 moves ahead when making them, but probably not the best ever.

          And the present champion Magnus Carlsen has the highest rating ever, won the world title last year in one of the most lopsided victories in a world title match ever, and has been dominating the tournament circuit for the past few years. Carlsen broke Kasparov’s record for highest rating and could be the first human to surpass 2900 if he keeps up his current pace.

          • AlbertInTucson

            Don’t forget Boris Spassky.

            Best Chess movie: SEARCHING FOR BOBBY FISCHER.

          • NewBearInTown

            Its the only real chess movie. Chess is notoriously mis-cast in books and movies.
            Spassky was Fischer’s great rival, but Fischer won that rivalry. Spassky has not claim to the title of GOAT.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I thought Kasparov was undisputed GOAT.

          • NewBearInTown

            As I wrote above, most modern players think that a tournament of all the best players in their prime would show that Kasparov was the best of the bunch. But there are many other considerations.

            Capablanca, for example, in his day was basically untouchable. He went like 9 years without losing a game.

            Steinitz in his day was looked upon similarly. As were Philidor and Alekhine.
            The current champion, Carlsen, has the potential to rewrite a lot of the record books. He really is a transcendent player. But computers today have radically changed the game. There are probably half a dozen programs today that could consistently beat Carlsen when loaded on a standard home computer. And while computers don’t participate in human competitions anymore, the humans do use the computers for analysis. So the potential for preparation has increased dramatically.

            Preparation was one of Kasparov’s greatest assets.

          • Jokey

            I remember those names from some reading I did years back. I’ve heard that recently the computer-assisted (Advanced Chess) games have elevated play, making games more creative and inspired. NB have you studied any of those?

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            He was the first chess player I ever heard discuss fitness. Chess is a sport, your brain uses fifty per cent of the body’s oxygen thinking about chess moves. He was a fit fucker. Logically, to be the best chess player, you must also look like a porn star.

          • Ososfan

            I’m new to chess but as you’ve stated, Morphy and Kasparov are my faves. Man, the games they played were beastly, brilliant, amazing, beautiful, etc….

        • Max

          This by far one of the more brilliant random off shoot discussions I have ever read on this blog. Awesome

      • Ososfan

        Lmao!!

  • Johnathan Wood

    “With the amount of time NFL defenses spend in coverage packages, will the strong-side backer even see the field on passing downs?”

    I expect a lot of 3-3-5 nickel looks where Shea is a “LB” who is essentially the 4th DL guy. I also expect DJ Williams will play 8 games max, and Bostic will take over for him after he gets hurt.

    • gpldan

      They used 30lb. fishing wire to sew his pectoral muscle back together. He’ll be fine.

      • Johnathan Wood

        he’s played 13 games the last two years. Total.

        Now some of that was a suspension, and he was durable before that, but the guy is 32 and hasn’t played more than a half season in three years. I dunno how well he’ll hold up.

        • gpldan

          Here’s what should encourage you – he had coach problems in Denver and none of his injuries have ever been below the waist or to the spine/neck. He was pulled out of the 2012 season for the drug suspension.

    • NewBearInTown

      Do you know of any teams in the NFL that run a 4-3 base and go to 3-3-5 nickel looks regularly? I’m just curious what that looks like in a one gap system. But I guess Wade Phillips ran a one gap 3-4 that would have run those looks.

      • Johnathan Wood

        this is what “hybrid” defenses usually are. So NE, SF, SEA, and DEN all do this.

        NO would do a version of this too (though they’re a 3-4 team mostly) where they’d have 3 safeties, so it was a 3-3-5 with a S as the 2nd ILB.

        • NewBearInTown

          The “big nickel” package. Interesting, need to watch more tape.

          • Johnathan Wood

            or sometimes a 3-2-6, with the 3rd S playing LB. Depending on how pass-obvious of a situation it was.

  • Johnathan Wood

    “for the life of me I don’t understand what the world sees in Stephen Paea. Bears need a third guy and there will be one available at fourteen.”

    Here’s my take on Paea (and I may be wrong): I think he’s a solid run stuffer whose biggest problem is simply staying healthy. When he’s healthy, he’s ok. Not a difference maker, but ok. I think having him come off the bench in a DT rotation to play maybe 40% of the snaps is ideal for Paea, as it can help keep him healthier (this worked wonderfully for James Starks, who had the same problem at RB, last year in GB). I have no problem with him playing a solid number of snaps as a rotational guy.

    • SC Dave

      Agree with your comments, JW, but that does not change my mind that we need to prioritize a DT over any other position on the roster.

      • Johnathan Wood

        I agree there. I think they need 4 DTs to rotate and have 3 right now. Would LOVE Donald in round 1, or Sutton in round 2.

        • AlbertInTucson

          With SO much throwing in the modern game, you HAVE to rotate D-Linemen or, come 4th quarter, your your guys are gassed and get zero pressure.

          • Johnathan Wood

            Yep depth is key to keep guys fresh and in case of injuries (and keeping them fresh helps limit injuries).

            Right now they have 7 DL guys who can at least be solid rotational players, maybe 8 depending on what you think of David Bass.

            But to me Allen, Houston, Young, Idonije, Ratliff, Paea, and Collins are all guys who I feel good about having play 30+ snaps a game. That’s great depth, especially once you add in a rookie DT in the first 3 rounds (I will be shocked if they haven’t drafted a DT by the end of round 3).

            Last year Seattle had 7 guys who all played between 30 and 40 snaps a game. Nobody played more than that. I think that’s an awesome thing to shoot for. Keep guys fresh and send wave after wave to pummel QBs mercilessly. Right now Chicago has the depth to do that, IMO, which I absolutely love.

            I will be watching snap counts closely next year to see how they handle that. Especially with a guy like Jared Allen, who almost never left the field in Minnesota.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            We should preserve Allen – just play him on second and third downs.

  • Johnathan Wood

    “Bears fans began to take for granted how greatly Devin Hester influenced opposing coaches.”

    I never understood why teams still feared Hester so much the last 2 years. His burst was gone and he was good but nothing special anymore. Still, I’m going to miss seeing teams punt away from him and give up 10-15 yards in the process.

    But I’m not gonna miss him letting balls bounce and costing those 10 yards back instead of fair catching it, or the fact that he fumbled 5x on only 80 touches last year.

    • gpldan

      Hester was kicked away from and punted out of bounds heavily last year, often to the opposing team’s detriment. I, too, did not understand this, as Hester became fumble prone and lost his will, clearly.

      • SC Dave

        Perhaps the Minnesota game had a little to do with it?

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      It’s not only Hester. It’s Taub & Co also. And the rest of the unit. When you are close to a record everybody is going to want to get the record as a unit. Be part of that moment. And if you make it…that video is going to be a highlight for the next week, month, year, history. And as the opposing ST coach, that’s going to be you in charge of the ‘the guys that got beat’. Over and over and over and over again.

      • CanadaBear

        One thing people don’t talk about is Devin was truly loved by his teammates. He always gave credit to his blockers and who wouldn’t get jacked up to block for him?

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Have a look at CW’s vid up above and tell me we haven’t found his replacement.

    • IBNO

      Because he had 2 TDs called back on penalties. Teams watch film of ALL plays, not just the ones that count.

      And at least one of those penalties was complete and utter horseshit. The man can still do his job. Hester at half of his prime is still better than most returners.

      • Johnathan Wood

        I think he was one of the best returners in the NFL last year. Top 5, maybe, but definitely top 10.

        Still not worth as much respect as he got though, IMO.

      • AlbertInTucson

        It IS tough to shine when the league is busy trying to legislate a chunk of your game out of existence.

    • AlbertInTucson

      He DID have a touch of what I call “Bobby Wade Disease” and letting quite a few catchable punts bounce recently.

  • Johnathan Wood

    “Is Lance Briggs going to wake up and take over this defense?”

    This is a GREAT question. Urlacher’s leadership was definitely missed last year, especially after Briggs and Tillman both went down. That’s one of the reasons I think Allen was brought in. That gives them a leader at every level.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I think he if he was going to, he would have from the get-go in 2013 but I don’t think anybody hetre is saying he did so.

      • Johnathan Wood

        yeah, I don’t think he’s as much of the vocal leader. Tough to suddenly become that after a decade just quietly going about your business while the guy next to you handles all that. Old dog, new tricks and all.

        Again where I think Allen helps, but another reason I wouldn’t mind CJ Mosley, who was the leader of that Alabama D and would do the same thing in Chicago.

        On paper he might not be the best pick for the Bears (more pressing immediate needs at DT and S), but that leadership factor is why I initially wanted him as Chicago’s pick (though I now would prefer Donald).

  • Johnathan Wood

    “If Briggs wants, he could leave a legacy greater than Urlacher’s.”

    Strong statement. Do you guys agree or disagree?

    • gpldan

      Agree.

      • Johnathan Wood

        I dunno. Urlacher was the face of the franchise for a decade. Briggs can never match that. Even if he steps up as the face of the D now, that’s not during his prime or for as long, and the offense defines the team now, not the D.

        I think that the the shine on Urlacher’s legacy will return once time passes and his butthurt comments stop pissing fans off.

        • gpldan

          Briggs mouthing off on the Mike North show, saying he’d never take another snap for Chicago and then publicly trying to work a trade with the Skins, followed by crashing his Lambo on the Kennedy and leaving it there, hurt his rep in the city. Badly.

          He has 916 tackles to Urlacher’s 1,037. Can he put up 126 tackles this year? No. That would be a career high. But he has two more years in him if his upper body holds up.

          • SC Dave

            True, and Lance could end up in as many or more Pro Bowls, right? But t’s simple; Urlacher is a MLB, and Briggs is not.

            MLB defines Bears linebacker greatness, and that’s the end of the story. That Urlacher can even be mentioned with the likes of Singletary, George, and Butkus it company that, no matter how well he plays, Briggs cannot join.

          • DaBearsBlog

            All it would take is a title.

          • That’s low, Jeff, that’s low.
            But if they do get a title, Peanut joins the pantheon with Lach, while Briggs is relegated to some tree nymph.

          • bearsfantillend

            thats right because no one in Chicago holds any of the 85 team defense in high regards except for Singletary because of the Title.

          • NewBearInTown

            Chicago won that Superbowl because of the defense. Our offense was solid, but not spectacular outside of Walter. It was the defense that made that team’s mark in history.
            The 2006 was the same (though with a weaker offense). If we had won that game, nobody would be talking about Rex Grossman.
            Although I type that and think of the accolades Eli Manning has gotten. But I guess that just proves my point.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Mike Ditka would disagree – he said it was only with McMahon they won a Lombardi. He was the key.

          • Trac

            Don’t think so. We were ranked pretty low last year and when he came back from injury he looked fat and slow. That’s not gonna get you into Canton. Does anyone really think Briggs has a good year left in him? I don’t.

          • CanadaBear

            He played really well before the injury last year. However, once you get around 32 or older, who knows when the wheels will fall off (see Pep).

          • NewBearInTown

            Bears win the Superbowl 38-34 after a 90 yard fourth quarter drive ending in a Cutler to Marshall circus catch and Lance Briggs is the hero?

            It helps the HOF bid because that’s national, but a title wouldn’t cement Briggs in this city. And if we win the Superbowl, nobody will be talking about Briggs on defense. If they do talk defense, they’ll be talking about the sack by Allen, the pick by Jennings or the forced fumble by Peanut.

            Briggs could sign a one year deal in 2016 like Peanut and he could break the tackles record. But JWood said it right. Urlacher was the face of this team for a decade when defense was our identity. Briggs doesn’t have enough years left in him to match that.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Lance isn’t Wilber Marshall.

          • Johnathan Wood

            Lance’s deal is up after this year and I will be shocked if he’s back with the Bears in 2015.

            But it’s not just about stats. Urlacher was the Bears for a good decade. You thought Bears, you thought Urlacher. Briggs has never been that. Therefore, I have very little doubt that historically Urlacher will hold up better than Briggs.

          • THIS.
            When Lach broke the tackle’s record, he was asked, “What does it mean?” and he playfully responded, “It means Briggs will pass me up in a few years.”

            Even IF that’s true, Briggs is no Lach. The only WILL LB in that league/impact might be Brooks.

            HOWEVER, if Briggs is in charge of a top-5 D that wins the SB, all bets are off, especially since Lach is trying his hardest to alinate fans.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            If Briggs wins a SB, Urlacher will still be better remembered, by a wider range of people.

    • SC Dave

      No way.

    • el_caney

      he doesn´t have to stay on field to to roll all over defense, yelling, couching, and put the defense on his shoulders, has got merits to spread where ever u want, just…….he hasn´t got the pedegree. it´s what I think.

    • Trac

      Even though Briggs is an amazing athlete and has made plenty of great football plays over his career, I never saw him “will” a win like Urlacher did in the Arizona game. Lach was the man back in his day.

    • AlbertInTucson

      Have to disagree, JW. Mildly but, disagree nonetheless.

      • Johnathan Wood

        I think I disagree as well.

    • MB30SD

      disagree. briggsy was def a top tier guy, but he didn’t change the game or the game plan.

    • Max

      Disagree.

      As someone else said, unless this defense bounces back to an elite level and the Bears win a title with Briggs clearly as the man, he won’t get to Urlacher’s level.

      Brian was a beast. He brought the attitude and the leadership and Briggs has never been as vocal.

      Briggs has been Robin to Urlacher’s Batman for to long to overtake his legacy at this point.

      And I would say Peanut is the most beloved Bear defender right now. Hard to cement a legacy with the fans when you are playing second fiddle to someone else.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Out of his hands, so no.

  • Johnathan Wood

    Sorry for all the quotes/comments. i just think there are a lot of great things to discuss from this article, and wanted to get some discussions rolling.

    • NewBearInTown

      You did good. Except, you forgot to get the discussion going on what all the goofy course names are a reference to.

  • bearsfantillend
    • AlbertInTucson

      I think Freeman has psychological issues that he has to prove he has properly addressed..

      • bearsfantillend

        agreed but we have the so called ‘Quarterback Whisperer” and i am not sure i want to go into the season with Jordan Palmer. would not hurt to get him in camp and see where he is at.

  • tobijohn

    #7: Are fair catches in the CFL not allowed or is Chris Williams fearless? I know it was a highlight reel but I guess I’d grown so accustomed lately to Devin Hester signaling a fair catch when there was nobody within twenty yards of him. Refreshing, to say the least. Also again, it’s a highlight reel but on some of those WR catches, the guy doesn’t seem to have any quit in him…

    • tobijohn

      Actually, they don’t have a true fair catch in the CFL. I guess if things don’t work out in Atlanta, Devin won’t be going north of the border…

      “In American football, if a punt returner sees that, in his judgment, he will be unable to advance the ball after catching it, he may signal for a fair catch by waving his hand in the air, and forgo the attempt to advance. If he makes this signal, the opposing team must allow him to attempt to catch the ball cleanly; if he is interfered with, the team covering the kick will be penalized fifteen yards. In contrast, there is no fair catch rule in Canadian football: instead no player from the kicking team, except the kicker or any player who was behind him when he kicked the ball, may approach within five yards of the ball until it has been touched by an opponent. If they do, a “no yards” penalty is called against the kicking team. Penalties for “no yards” calls vary on whether the ball made contact with the ground or not. The penalty is 5 yards if the ball has bounced and 15 if the ball is caught in the air”

      • SC Dave

        That five yard cushion will alleviate a bit of “fear” I’m sure

        • tobijohn

          Fifteen feet isn’t much when those guys are coming at you full speed…

          • CanadaBear

            Most of the time the guys on the punting team have slowed down to make sure they don’t get penalized. You rarely see a PR get blown up.

          • tobijohn

            I see your point but doesn’t that give the defenders more time to react to any slippery, jukey moves the returner might make if they’re not right on top of him?

          • CanadaBear

            You have to keep in mind the talent-level in the CFL. The guys overall are smaller and less athletic. You get a little scatback vs these guys and a lot of times they are grasping at air.

      • NewBearInTown

        The XFL played with this rule. One of the efforts to make themselves look tougher than the NFL.
        They also didn’t allow dedicated kickers, so you had to have the field goals kicked by someone else on the team. That made for some interesting (and terrible) special teams plays.

  • BlackZer0

    I’m really interested in how they utilize Shea. I feel like have the job is just clearing his head and simplifying his job. A lot of times last year it looked like he was over thinking after the initial second or two. I think he’ll benefit from getting his head off the ground, and away from the o line so he gets a running start to set up his moves, as well as seeing how the O line is setting up its protection.

    • SC Dave

      Let’s hope so. Unlike some here on the blog, I don’t want to see Shea fail in order to be able to say “I told you so” that he was a bust.

      • Trac

        Anytime bust is consistently in the CD conversation 3 years after being drafted in the first round , it’s because he probably is.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Give him a year at the line-backing position. Criticizing him before he’s had a chance to show us isn’t fair.

      • MB30SD

        I don’t say it because I want to say it here, I say it because he is a bust already dave. Dude’s changing the position he was drafted in the 1st rd for because he…. well… sucked.

        That’s kind of the exact definition of bust.

  • Barb UMihai Mar

    I’d love myself a Kevin Williams 1 year FA sign and a Mike Glennon draft day trade (0 chances, right ?). I’d take the best secondary player (CB or S) at 14 and go the other position in round 2. PS: Bostic is going to play the nickel LB spot. If he earns that it’s enough for me. He’ll then take Briggs’s spot in 2015. PS: If you have Jeffery-Marshall at WR you don’t have $$$ and leverage for another guy. In order for this guy to sign with you you’ll have to pay cash for his lack of targets. Don’t worry…Trestman knows if Wilson is going to produce. If he thinks no, Emery will draft/sign. My belief is he thinks he’ll be ok. His important number of snaps last year are the proof. That’s earned trust.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Guarantee you we get more out of CW this season than we do MW. Cutty’s gonna fall in love with this guy.

    • tobijohn

      Son of a lifetime member of the NRA, reloading practice ammo one of my childhood chores, hundreds of hours spent with dear old Dad at the target range but don’t get me started. I don’t care what the Second Amendment says, nobody needs all that sheit…

      • NewBearInTown

        Its not about need. Its about want. Since when is it okay to make something illegal because you don’t “need” it?

        • tobijohn

          In my eyes, when that something is incredibly lethal and you have no good reason to possess it. I’m not sure why under the Second Amendment I can’t own rocket propelled grenades or a little sarin gas. You know, for self-defense purposes…

          • NewBearInTown

            Fine, but in that case it has nothing to do with need. The Second Amendment says that we can’t just ban guns because they’re dangerous. People who say “you don’t need guns” miss the point of that. The Supremes have been pretty clear that recreational gun ownership is also protected.
            Its not about need. Its about a fundamental right to own for whatever reason, based on reasonable restrictions for public safety.

          • tobijohn

            IMHO and with all due respect, reasonable restrictions for public safety should apply to semi-automatic weapons . You don’t need those for hunting or target shooting or keeping Indians, the French or the British from wreaking havoc with the borders or the authority of a weak, newly formed central government…

          • Trac

            I think if most 2nd amendment proponents were honest about this one tobi, they’d admit that it’s incremental-ism they fear more than anything else and if anti-gun proponents were honest, they’d admit that abolishing the right to own and bear arms is their “aim”.

          • tobijohn

            I agree with you

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I’m thinking “what do I need in a gunfight with the ATF ….?”.

            Until mini-guns are legally available in 711, you’re not really free.

          • tobijohn

            Quit brewing that potcheen and you won’t have to worry about the ATF…

          • bearsfantillend

            and you should be able to buy a tank at the local Ford dealership.

          • Trac

            The brain is more powerful tobi.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Look at the system of government you have, and where the money goes, Tobi. Time to arm up, boy!

      • Trac

        Did you and pops have a good relationship?

        • tobijohn

          Yup, still do. 1863 Springfield from the Civil War, Sharps Buffalo rifle previously used brutally against Native Americans, British Enfield from WW1? Yes but never an AR-15 nor Kalashnikov nor speed loaders was ever to be seen.

          • Cormonster

            Never owned a gun, but I joined the NRA for a few years during the million mom march era. I personally don’t see a big problem with semi automatic or automatic weapons. They are used in very small number of murders each year.

            Connecticut recently passed a law that requires owners of those weapons to register those guns, and only about 1 in 7 were registered. Most people did not comply. People are protective of this right. I wonder if the state will try to enforce the law.

          • tobijohn

            I don’t know why I even bother commenting on this topic as nobody, including myself, is going to change their position. It’s a pretty polarized subject. So let me close it out by just saying if I were King of the World, things would be a LOT different around here…

          • Cormonster

            Well, let’s talk about something less controversial instead. What’s your opinion on abortion? JK

  • Trac

    Smoked Clams and Wheat Thins for dinner. Mmm. Reminds me of the Marines.

    • IBNO

      Steamed clams?

      Steamed hams?

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        I wonder why ‘hairy clam’ or ‘bearded clam’ exists in the British vernacular for the pit of pudenda. One can not imagine any form of shellfish as being a satisfactory symbol of one’s favorite destination.

        Room temperature oyster …. fancy a go on that?

  • IBNO

    Hole #1: Agreed. But the consensus is that the BPA at 14 will not be a FS. The best FS available will be gone by 14, and so it’ll have to wait until Round 2.

    Hole #2: Palmer looked remarkably good in that preseason game last year. Let’s let the absurdity of that statement sink in, but then, I’m sincere. The guy came in off the street with like half a week of practice in the system, and ran it very well. I think Trestman can spin straw into gold, and Palmer should be good enough.

    Hole #3: Earl isn’t getting much attention, is he? Maybe he’ll see the light and come back on a smaller contract? Either that, or the production they think Earl would have is equivalent to what Wilson can do. Sure, if BM or AJ go down, there’s trouble. But that’s true regardless of what happens in the draft. Aside from a developmental stab in the dark in the late rounds (say, like a 7th round pick last year), I don’t see the Bears drafting a WR.

    Hole #4: I’m rooting for Butler, because Jarrett should’ve gotten a tryout from the team that owed his father so much.

    Hole #5: I hadn’t thought about putting the two hick white guys on the same end and letting them hunt the QB. Interesting. My hate for Allen is fading, by the way. I still am waiting for him to say something expressing regret for cheap-shotting Lance Louis, but his energy and attitude towards the Bears and the game has turned me around on the rest of his act. I don’t LIKE him, yet, but I’m glad he’ll be wearing Navy & Orange.

    Hole #6: DT can go from a weakness to a strength with one good pick. I think Emery is a sneaky guy, but sometimes you do the obvious because, well, it’s obvious.

    Hole #7: Guy’s tape looks good–unlike Skunk, he actually makes a cut upfield and doesn’t pussy-foot around. Then again, this is Canada. Some of the commenters on this blog would probably look pretty impressive playing up there.

    Hole #8: Ehh. Briggs is fine. Less we talk about it, the better.

    Hole #9: As the league is getting more and more pass-happy, I disagree that you need a second productive running back. You need a guy to give your productive back a breather.

    • MB30SD

      100% on the second part of #6.

      As far as #7… put me in coach… I can still play!!

      (As the boss’s, “glory days” plays softly in the background

      • IBNO

        You ever have dreams that you’re back in pads? Occasionally I do. In my current body. I typically wake up before the ouchy part of the dream begins.

        • MB30SD

          I’ve had two… one I didn’t remember much, just my coach and hell week. it sucked. The other one, I was back in high school again, with my high school body, but my mind now.

          It started off me being ‘nice’ and not wanting to hurt the kids, but by the end I was fucking decleating like 3 dudes every play. I took 2 of their RBs out of the game and put one of their WR doing a cross in the ambulance.

          It was one of the best dreams of my life (without boobies) and I literally woke up ready to fucking smash someone. I was jacked. I walked around smiling all fucking day.

          Man I loved HS ball… to be the big fish was fun. College kinda sucked with all the injuries. Getting old sucks.

          Remember the smell of your locker after a while… smelled like piss and ammonia. So strong. Every time I smell someone cleaning with that shit it instantly takes me back to my FB locker room.

    • AlbertInTucson

      I figure Earl’s probably going to have to see what teams fill WR holes in the draft and see what’s left.

  • #5 “Hey, what’s in that dark hole in this forest?”

    Whatever you do, don’t stick your wiener in it to find out.

  • Trac

    Haven’t seen much of waffle lately. His job is done, nobody’s bashing Cutty anymore now that McCown is gone.

    See how I did that Jonny?

    • I don’t think everyone suddenly bought into Cutty (Irish still believes we let the better QB walk). It’s more like cautious resignation. The contract basically locks us to Cutty for the next 3 years. Can’t bitch now. Well, we can, but what’s the point?

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Long term is another thing. I would have done what was necessary to keep both together for another year. McCown was only ever a one year-deal. Fitzy knows he’s worth starting money, and Josh reckons he’s worth a chunk of it too. Kyles’ really the only other guy who could do it for us. It’s not a question of IF Cutty goes down, it’s only a matter of WHEN.

  • NewBearInTown

    Repost from last thread:
    Read an interesting article about the NCAA union issue. Some points better than others, but this paragraph really rang true for me. In this country we build our education system around the notion that attending college = success. This becomes less and less true every year.

    http://www.nationalfootballpos

    “I feel it’s an injustice to graduate athletes with a meaningless degree,
    because some have little or nothing to offer based on their capabilities. When I
    used to ask college football players what they were going to do with their
    degrees, silence entered the room or the player talked about doing something
    that is no more practical than the degree itself. So while the NCAA may argue
    that there is equal value in a degree for play and practice, a vast number of
    student athletes leave the schools wealthier than when he came in, but the
    institution left the athlete no better off when he arrived as he exits with a
    worthless degree.”

    The author is not the most popular guy, but I don’t disagree with a lot of what he wrote here.

    • Trac

      Here’s my solution. If the NFL started a new paid league for football players coming out of H.S., college’s will no longer have a monopoly on a billion dollar industry that has a ridiculously low cost of doing business. If I’m the NFL then why not triple current NFL revenues by giving these players what they want. A paycheck. You could start with setting up teams in the Big Ten Cities and maybe the SEC Cities and expand from there. Then again, NFL teams could just start up farm teams.

      • Trac

        Hmmm. Does anybody reckon the NFL had anything to do with the College Union thing? Yes…..it all makes perfect sense now. Use the unions to make the players believe they actually have some power but at the end of the day, the union bosses are in the owners back pockets. Nah, that’s just too crazy.

      • NewBearInTown

        The NFL don’t want it. The colleges have a much better farm system in place than they could ever create themselves. Look at baseball – minor league teams don’t make money. Look at the arena league – same comment. And yet Harvard vs. Yale literally sells out the stadium every time.

        The NFL has 10,000 players to scout every year. For free. And college football helps groom young upwardly mobile people into rabid football fans ready to consume pro-sports when they join the job force.

        • Trac

          So the NFL does own college football? Blood diamonds?

      • Johnathan Wood

        would be really hard because a lot of people are attached to rooting for the school. BUT if you could take time to consistently get the best players every year to choose your minor league over college, eventually it would win out.

        As NewBear said though, what’s the NFL’s incentive? They get free minor leagues from NCAA now, and these guys get marketed before ever reaching the NFL.

  • C’mon Jeff, a golf themed Bears piece and NO mention of our new TE Matthew MULLIGAN. Tsk. Tsk.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Droppin’ ’em like diamonds, Butch …..

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      Googling Matthew ….. he’s ….. a camp body .. .who might be a Jim Thornton or a Cap Boso for us.

  • NewBearInTown

    So what happens at the end of the first return in the video (around the :40 mark). Was that a really really late hit or was Williams showboating?

  • NewBearInTown

    Also, remember Andy Fantuz? Best WR in the CFL. Did not see one snap in the NFL.

    • tobijohn

      Good point, I forgot about him. And in case you didn’t know, our own Henry Burris has been a superstar up there for years..

      • Johnathan Wood

        CFL game is totally different for WRs. Wider field, deeper end zones. Prioritizes speed over anything, especially at WR/secondary. I’ll bet Devin Hester would have been a star WR in the CFL.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          I’ll take that bet Woodsy.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Not sayn’ Blogfather’s wrong but, NINE holes to fill in one off-season sounds a bit daunting.

    • Johnathan Wood

      some of these are small holes and/or have guys on the roster to fill them who are just unproven. This is always unavoidable.

      IMO, here are the holes, in order of urgency:

      1) S

      1b) DT

      Need an immediate starter at each of these positions in the draft, IMO, though would be ok with just a rotation guy at DT who’s not actually starting.

      3) CB

      Need a guy here ready to play in the event Tillman gets hurt, and likely start in 2015 with Tillman gone.

      4) TE

      5) RB

      Need better depth here behind your starters. I actually think TE has solid depth if Bennett stays healthy, but nobody there who I would trust to start if Bennett goes down.

      6) QB

      7) LB

      8) WR

      Depth concerns here too, but somewhat lesser to me. Have a trio of young draft picks at LB, 2 of whom will be depth (not starters), and any semi-competent NFL QB will be fine in this offense IMO.
      At WR, Wilson is a youngster the coaches really seem to like, and I fully trust their judgment on anything offense (they’ve earned it). Plus Hixon has some experience as a competent NFL WR too, and they have 2 good non-WR pass catchers in Bennett/Forte (possibly 3-4 depending on what they do with RB/TE needs ahead of this). A RB/slot WR like Dri Archer or that guy from Oregon would be nice in filling a couple of these needs with one stone, though neither would be able to handle RB if Forte goes down (would need Ford to be starter then).

      So that’s 8 needs by my count right now, but only 3 that I’d classify as urgent, with another 3-4 that are semi-pressing. 7 picks in draft + UDFA from an extremely deep draft class to address them, plus maybe a few more bargain free agent signings (like Josh Freeman or another veteran QB perhaps).

      Really it’s the first 3 that have to be addressed early in the draft to me. I think you can find contributors at TE/RB in later rounds/UDFA (and they’ve been great at offense drafts so far, so I trust they will do this).

      • NewBearInTown

        One that you left out that’s in Jeff’s list, and this was a big one for me too.
        It doesn’t matter the position, but somebody has to step up and become the face of this defense. Revis and Sherman do it as CBs. Lewis, Lach and now Kuechly do it as Mikes. Matthews did it in GB as a pass rusher. You can do it from anywhere on the field.
        But who’s stepping up for us? Who will be our leader and our identity?

        • Johnathan Wood

          I think that will be Allen or Tillman for now. Long-term it’s definitely an issue, but that falls in one of those earlier needs in the draft, IMO.

          • NewBearInTown

            Agreed. But that’s an argument for a true BPA on defense instead of drafting for position. A transcendent pass rusher will still be better than a solid, but unspectacular free safety. The pass rusher will find a way to get himself playing time, and then his production and personality will make him a true leader on the team. That benefit, in turn, helps improve whoever you put in the safety position.

          • Johnathan Wood

            sooner or later you should definitely go BPA, especially in a situation like this where a good rookie could earn a starting role in any defensive position (except DE, but that won’t be BPA anyway unless Clowney somehow falls).

            To me BPA is likely to be DT (if Donald there), LB (Mosley), or CB. But we’ll see how the Bears have their board set up.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            They’ve pretty much announced it’s going to be a defensive draft – that pretty much guarantees the first and second players drafted by the Bears are defensive ones. I don’t think BPA is their buzz this year. Example, Bortles drops to 14 … Donald, Jernigan, safeties, they’re all there and nobody wants your spot that badly. Would you draft a QB when you’re trying to address the defense? Because that pick just put your defensive draft in the hole. BPA and ‘your needs’ might not agree.

          • Johnathan Wood

            yeah, I meant DBPA. Good call.

    • Johnathan Wood

      even top teams have a lot of holes. GB is coming off 5 straight playoff appearances and has starting holes at TE, OT, C, and S and depth holes at QB, ILB, and DL (and maybe WR).

      I don’t know non-NFCN rosters as well, but I’ll bet SEA has a good # of holes too. I know at the very least they have WR issues and lost several guys from their DL.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Ah yes. Another NCAA Women’s Basketball game, another ridiculous blowout.

  • AlbertInTucson

    As far as the Paulina Gretzky /Golf Digest thing goes, 1) I think their are several more attractive (and healthier looking) women on the LPGA tour than Ms. Gretzky who I think should have a sandwich once in while. 2) I’m not saying she’s unattractive but I doubt she’s on the cover of anything if her last name isn’t Gretzky.

    • MB30SD

      She’s got an 11 body, but that face looked like a hockey players. Not a fan of her grill Al. The boobies… that’s another story altogether.

      • Trac

        Does she remind you of a horse when they eat oats out of your hand?

        • MB30SD

          Not horsey per say, just proportions not right. Just something unattractive about her mug.

  • Statistical analysis shows that running back production
    historically drops off by 15 percent at age 28, 25 percent at age 29,
    and nearly 40 percent by the time running backs hit age 30.

    The “peak” age for running backs is considered 27. A more
    extensive article on the topic is accessible at the link below, but it’s
    certainly information for fantasy footballers to file away. Marshawn
    Lynch in Seattle turns 28 later this month and is coming off his finest
    two NFL seasons. Including playoffs, Lynch has 1,002 carries over his
    last three years, an average of 334 per season.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/123542/inside-slant-running-back-cliff-after-age-27

    • Johnathan Wood

      the cutoff there is 75 carries, which includes backups. Backups are often not retained after their rookie deal because they’re not as cheap.

      I’d be interested to see that with a 200 carry threshold, which looks only at starters.

  • Trac

    #2 Hole

    Backup QB. Does Phil have the balls to draft a qb in the first 3 rounds? Yes. Will he? maybe.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      no

  • Trac

    What if the draft panned out this way?
    Rd1-MLB
    Rd2-Safety
    Rd3-DT
    Rd4-QB
    Rd5-CB
    Rd6-TE
    Rd7-OL

    • Johnathan Wood

      I would be upset they waited until rd 5 to address CB. I’d much rather look that direction in rd 4 in this scenario, unless there’s a QB in 4 who fell that they really love.

      Also, they don’t have a rd 7 pick, but they have 2 6s. And I’d rather grab RB or WR with that 2nd 6th instead of OL, where they’re pretty set. They return their top 8 OL guys from a year ago + de la Puente (plus Joe Long, the OT they claimed late last year). That’s a lot of depth and competition there already.

      • Trac

        Yes the 5th round or later seems to be where most teams draft a project QB. Trestman may not want to miss out on a potential starter though if he’s still there in the earlier rounds. I actually think there is a high probability Emery drafts a qb higher than most of us are comfortable with.

        • Johnathan Wood

          I dunno. Cutler is the guaranteed starter for at least 3 years. I could see a QB in round 4 if a guy they love like Aaron Murray is there. I have a hard time seeing it earlier when they just locked Cutler up and have pressing needs at DT, S, and CB (and greater needs than QB at LB, RB, TE)

          • Big Mike

            Why waste a pick this year ?

          • Johnathan Wood

            because Cutler hasn’t played all 16 games in forever. It’s not a must, but if there’s a guy they like in the middle or late rounds I think they pull the trigger. Gives them time to groom him, even if he’s not the backup this year.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          How many of those project QBs ever work out? Can anybody think of one?

          • Bender McLugh

            Brady……..hello

          • NewBearInTown

            Brady is a bad example. He’s not a backup. He’s a lucky pick that turned into a HOF starter. In the 10 years since he was drafted that hasn’t happened again. You can’t fault your GM for not finding the next Brady.

          • Bender McLugh

            Gannon was drafted in the 4th round….

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            I think they wanted him to play running back though at 6’2 210. My mom’s family is from Minnesota. so for some reason I liked Gannon growing up.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Two.

          • Bender McLugh

            This is what I found.

            Drafted by the New England Patriots in the 4th round (98th overall) of the 1987 NFL Draft.

            http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GannRi00.htm

          • Bender McLugh

            but you can’t exclude him from this discussion as if he wasn’t a dark horse project QB. That’s exactly what he was.

          • NewBearInTown

            But his career is not the standard of success. I think Drew Staunton is the standard of success. He’s a high character guy that never has trouble getting work as a backup. He’s started for several weeks at a stretch and been a productive player that allows his playmakers (Calvin Johnson) to do their thing. He doesn’t lose games, he doesn’t turn over the ball. That’s what you want in a backup.
            That was McCown. That was Cousins. That was Matt Cassel in NE. That’s what we need. And we can get that in the 4-6 rounds with someone like Aaron Murray, Connor Shaw or Bryn Renner.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            I’m just not a huge fan of round 4-7 picks I guess. Angelo has tainted me. I like cheap vet free agent depth. It’s the Grapes of Wrath out there and once guys in their late 20’s and early 30’s feel the pinch of the ride possibly coming to an end you can get inexpensive, veteran depth added to your team through the beauty that is free agency.
            Maybe Emery can convince me that we can grow some guys from seedlings into productive Bears. But then of course you have to then lose them to FA if they work out or pay them after developing them for years. Why not just pay for a guy that is developed and then tweak him into your system?

          • Bender McLugh

            Agreed, now that we have Trestman-miracle-ear-for-QBs, plug anyone into this system with mediocre talent and they can hold the fort until Cutler returns from injury. As for long term at QB, I’d rather get a stud in the draft (not this year) for Trest to mold and sculpt.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            agreed, if you’re going to get a QB you get a Rd 1 or 2 pick once your other needs are solidified and in the meantime there are plenty of McCowns, Palmers, Campbell’s, etc to help out in a pinch. What if Palmer comes in and holds the fort down and the D is not half bad? I mean besides Dave and Irish creating shrines to him and eventually stalking/killing him while masterbating and crying with joy.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            There will be no masturbation going on around Jordan Palmer. Or crying. He does not get anywhere near THIS ass.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            If he can do that with Josh McCown I want to see what he does with Josh Freeman.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Yes, we’ve grown used to divining shite from the NFL draft. We fully expect that high pick to turn into bovine defacation in no time at all. Sometimes it’s before they even play. “Oh it’s his back … he won’t be able to use his spine for us … aw crap …well, we’ll get ’em next year … never mind …”

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            That draft class was not highly regarded in general. The majority of the qb’s were drafted in the later rounds that year and all of them besides Brady either sucked or had very lackluster careers based on expectations.
            Pennington only one picked in 1st round. Carmazzi was next in the THIRD!! Tee Martin in the FIFTH!! and the rest in the 6th and beyond.

          • Bender McLugh

            Who??? Heh, crazy bad QB draft class

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            I see your point about talent being available but honestly when it comes down to it I think if you put a decent college QB behind a great line with a solid running game and some talented TE’s and WR’s you can do pretty well. There will always be surprises and HOF’ers that transcend the game but even then you have to note that they played alongside other HOF’ers.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            everyone says “Brady” but their voices trail off after that. Brady was totally fucking hosed by his college coach and that insane quarterback controversy at Michigan. All that guy did was win football games in the clutch.
            Besides Brady, who in the fuck has had any success as a 4th round pick or later?

          • Bender McLugh

            Gannon

          • Bender McLugh

            Steve Young…….wasn’t he drafted in the supplemental draft?

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            ahhhhhhhhh, dude, look at that supplemental draft. That is not the supplemental draft of today. He was the first pick of this draft of CFL and USFL talent back when those leagues were making plays for the top college talent. look at this fucking draft:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_NFL_Supplemental_Draft_of_USFL_and_CFL_Players

          • Bender McLugh

            gotchya, wasn’t sure about that. Flutie was taken in the 11th……

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Yup, just as he’d put his apprenticeship in behind James Robert McMahon ………
            …….. born to …

            {IRISH! NOOO!}

            Sorry.

          • IBNO

            Marc Bulger, 6th round. Pretty good.
            Mark Brunell, 5th round. I think this one is overrated, but he was a decent starter.
            Rich Gannon, 4th round. Ditto. Except when Trestman turned him into MVP.
            Mark Rypien, 6th round. OK overall, except as a Super Bowl MVP.
            Matt Hasselbeck, 6th round. Not great, but serviceable as a starter.
            Brady going in the 6th round wasn’t because no one knew the “real” Brady–Michigan was a flagship program; you think he wasn’t scouted well? Brady was passed on so many times because he didn’t measure up (literally… teams thought he wasn’t a good physical specimen, among other things).

            The point is that teams aren’t looking for the next MVP in the late rounds, they’re looking for the next Brady–the guy that wasn’t supposed to be good, but they hit on a diamond in the rough. Very few guys “develop” from late-round QBs to stars*; teams are looking for guys who need a little work, who have some defect that keeps them from being labeled as stars.

            *The most telling stat is that with VERY few exceptions, a QB’s completion percentage goes down from college to the pros, and the “good” pros have high completion percentages. So if a college QB doesn’t have a good completion percentage, odds are overwhelmingly against him improving it (and thus becoming a “good” pro QB) in the NFL. It’s easier to overcome lack of height, lack of arm strength, etc., than it is to overcome completion percentage.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            He was hosed by the Patriots five times in that draft too ….

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            One. And in fairness he was a 6th rounder.

          • NewBearInTown

            As a backup? Kirk Cousins is doing great as a backup in Washington right now. If he gets brought elsewhere as a starter he might falter, but we don’t need a starter.
            Likewise Drew Staunton in Detroit and (wait for it)… Matt Flynn in Green Bay.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            he is certainly not doing great. he has a 8-10 td to int ratio, mid 50’s completion percentage and a 68 qb rating.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            He could win for us, so could Kyle.

          • bearsfantillend

            Brady, Romo, Orton was a 4th rounder

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            let’s not start throwing Orton, Cassel and Fitzy in there. Now we’re grasping at straws.
            Orton is your quintessential backup. With free agency you can pick up that guy without wasting a pick on him and grooming him as a rookie. Round 3 and 4 should be used to bolster your LINE or LINEBACKERS.

          • bearsfantillend

            Orton, Cassel, and Fitzy have better W/L records than some highly touted 1st round draft picks, so you can’t just dismiss them. But i am with you round 3 and 4 we should use to bolster the defense, but i am not entirely opposed to drafting a QB after that.

          • Bender McLugh

            also, don’t forget Montana was drafted in the 3rd….crazy to me.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            different era my man. The focus was on running backs and defense.

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            no such thing as “rules” to inhibit the defender. No fantasy football. It was true pound you in the ass prison style football. no sissy girlyboy qb’s needed.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            He got buried in Notre Dame I thought. He was like 6th starting QB at one point.

          • Trac

            Not many but that is what most GM’s consider low risk/high reward picks.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      I’m confused as to why teams would waste picks on QB’s in any Rd 4 and after? It has never panned out. It’s a wasted pick. There are so many young QB’s with a year to 3 yrs of college who have been on some practice squads or backups for other teams that have gone through a couple of training camps and know how to learn pro systems. Enough of this late round QB talk. it’s crazy.

      • IBNO

        Tom Brady.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      I’d be calling for the head of the GM, Trac, On a big shiny platter.

    • MB30SD

      I know you want mosely, but I think this is much more likely trac:

      Fs (or cb)
      Dt
      CB (or fs)
      MLB
      Db
      Te | db (or dl)

    • IBNO

      What Irish said.

      No way is QB a bigger need than CB. And I don’t think that there will be such a dramatic difference in the MLB and DT talent available at #14 that Emery pushes DT down to the 3rd round–in other words, Mosley isn’t SO great that plugging him into the D would be better than plugging Donald (or whatever DT) in.

      I could see:
      1: MLB
      2: FS
      3: DT
      4: CB
      5: OL
      6: TE/RB
      7: DB

      Bottom line, drafting a QB means not taking a guy who could and should contribute this year on defense or ST. Drafting a MLB high means you think the DT rotation is pretty good right now. I can see Emery thinking one of those things, but not both.

  • NewBearInTown
    • Bender McLugh

      I was lucky enough to see him live back in the day at the Rosemont Horizon. Legend. He did look rather red-faced at his HoF ceremony, guess we now know why.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        I loved the Ultimate Warrior. In 8th grade at football practice we had all of these little 5th graders on the practice squad that used to love it when we’d pick them up and military press them like the Warrior and just throw then onto the ground in their full pads. Fucking priceless.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      I love that you love the Ultimate Warrior. New Bear, you seem like a complex and interesting dude. You balance the seriousness of orthodox judaisim with the love of sport. I could see you painting your beard burnt orange and navy and then being thoroughly uncomfortable because somehow you’d accidentally bump into your Rabbi fully painted up.

      • NewBearInTown

        I think that actually is totally something I would do.

        I had an Ultimate Warrior shirt when I was like 8 years old. He and Hulk Hogan were awesome. I still enjoy reading about wrestling once every couple of months, but I can’t sit down and watch the current lineup for more than 10 minutes.

        Either I’ve gotten too old or the talent isn’t there right now. From what I’ve read, its both.

      • MB30SD

        totally agree yonny. I was going to post something similar… except without the beard fantasy, that is classic yonny.

        NB, sadly, this is what happens when you sell your young soul to the steroid and hgh devil for fame, fortune, and weemangses… you pay with your later years. Unfortunately, the roid bill collector just claimed his ticket.

        RIP UW.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Am I the only one who thinks professional wrestling in America looks gay and ridiculous? NTTAWWT.

  • I kind of like that you’re obsessed with punters. It makes me always think “what the hell is he so obsessed with punters for?” Then after that I don’t think about punters again until you mention them again the next week.

  • Big Mike

    Here are my thoughts on the draft.
    1) Quality of scouting done by Bears is more important than which position they draft where. (see Jeffery, Briggs, Tillman, Jennings etc)
    2) A project QB is not a necessity this year. Every guy mentioned as being available in the 3rd round or later, pales compared to a guy like Josh Freeman. Fix the D this year, next year think about spending the #1 pick for the QB of the future.
    3) Really hoping for a run in the draft on one side of the ball or the other. Hoping teams panic for QB, OT, WR. If that’s the case we’ve got a sweet selection of guys who would normally be top 10 or higher. If it goes the other way, and there is a run on defense, someone behind the Bears will panic and overvalue our pick, we can slide back and gain a pick. If it plays out even, Emery has put the Bears in good position to draft a top 3 guy at multiple positions.
    4) A RB in the middle rounds is my prediction for an offensive pick. Makes 10x more sense than a project QB. (see this article on RBs after 27 http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/123542/inside-slant-running-back-cliff-after-age-27)
    5) I think HA-HA might be the real deal at safety (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAUAN7nHy5U – If you don’t like rap, watch with sound muted). Alabama has 4 safeties with between 2 and 9 years of experience in the NFL. Mark Baron, TB and Robert Lester, CAR being the most recent 2. This is a position where Tide players are not overrated
    6) When are the damn schedules coming out? Need something besides mock drafts and which position to the Bears fill in which round.

    Big Mike out. Go Blackhawks.

    @disqus_73Z91otEYO:disqus@MB30SD:disqus@Irish_Sweetness_DBB:disqus@johnathanwood:disqus@newbearintown:disqus

    • MB30SD

      nice work mike. Agree. As I told irish yesterday… after all the talk over the last 2 months, I’ve put my flag in the ground…. if dix is there at 14 no way we pass him up. Gilbert as the #2 selection if Dix is gone. MAYBE fuller if both are gone.

      DT in Rd 2… even if we trade up to get a guy emery likes (like tuitt)

    • Johnathan Wood

      Preseason schedule is getting announced this afternoon. That’s… something, right?

    • Johnathan Wood

      in regards to RB, I would love Charles Sims in round 3 or 4. Forte clone, IMO. Also wouldn’t mind a RB/slot WR jitterbug like Dri Archer or DeAnthony Thomas in the later rounds, but neither of those guys could carry the load if Forte goes down.

      • Big Mike

        If the Bears take a back in RD 3 he needs to be a Forte Clone. Strong blocker, smart, good hands, etc. Don’t need a complimentary guy.

        • Johnathan Wood

          yeah, Thomas/Archer would both be targets in round 5 or 6, I think.

          • Big Mike

            If they take a RB in 3 and in 5 or 6 I’d be very surprised. Right?

          • Johnathan Wood

            right. But if they DON’T take a RB in 3 or 4, I expect one in 5 or 6.

            That would say to me they trust Ford to be the conventional “backup” and are looking more for a weapon to use like Darren Sproles (pass catcher out of backfield/slot/return man)

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Forte’s not a strong blocker, Mike – nobody has ever singled him out for his blocking, he’s not consistent …. and we absolutely need the complementary guy, the bruiser. Benching Garza will help with that though.

          • Big Mike

            You are incorrect. Forte’s ability as a pass blocker is critical. With regard to the complimentary back, I had actually not even been considering the bruiser. I was mistakenly, only thinking about the shifty, quick, jitterbuggy kind of back. If you want a bruiser, we should have kept Klutts. I loved that guy. Hate the new FB.

    • IBNO

      Good points all, and agree with MB below about Dix @ 14.

      I think the big thing is that a smart GM (and fanbase) always wants dumber/more desperate GMs drafting before him in the 1st round, so that there might be a run on a position, and subsequent value dropping. Even in JA’s dysfunctional drafting, he avoided the stupidity of being caught up in runs, and losing out because of reaching. Yes, he drafted plenty of busts, but at least he never took the 4th-best TE in the 1st round because he was afraid he wouldn’t be able to get a decent TE in the 2nd round.

      Unfortunately, as much as there ARE stupid GMs in the draft, you can’t count on them. But that’s where Emery’s thoroughness in scouting & evaluating players comes through. I’m confident that if there’s a run and/or the guy Emery had really coveted isn’t there at 14, Plan B would be just as thoroughly researched & vetted as Plan A. So if Aaron Donald’s off the board, or if there’s a stupid run on QBs leaving Dix or another high-value player available, Emery will pounce with confidence.

      • MB30SD

        I’ll tells you one thing… if we do get Dix(ed over), he ain’t getting his college #. I knows that much

        • IBNO

          Other than he couldn’t because it’s not a DB number, yeah.

          I couldn’t get my HS/college number with the Bears, either. Or my 1st HS number. Damn, the Bears have retired a lot of good numbers.

          • MB30SD

            I was 44 in HS and wanted to be 4 in college, but the starting FS wore it the whole time. Wha’d you wear?

          • IBNO

            40 my soph year in HS, 41 thereafter. In my wet dreams of somehow playing on the Bears, I’d wear 44.

          • MB30SD

            Kevin. Payne.

            Yeah, I loved it as a 3-4 ILB in HS. I was a boz fan back in the day.

            Once I moved to DB, I LOVED the single digit #’s but back then, it wasn’t done all that much and was seen as strange, but i loved it.

            See my story about my fb dream below?

  • NewBearInTown

    Saw a comment below that deserves its own post. Let me preface as follows:

    GMs routinely get fired for failing to draft a QB. And they all say the same thing – there is a lot of luck involved. Sometimes you just get lucky by drafting high in the right year, which is why Washington isn’t too upset that they lost the #2 pick this year for the #2 pick that got them RGIII. The fact is, the draft is about percentages and quarterback is a low percentage pick.

    Likewise I think Trestman is getting too much credit for Josh McCown’s great year. Yes, McCown fit the system really well. Yes, he had a lot of talent that’s still there this year. But I don’t think having Trestman means we can take any one of the current free agents and future UDFAs and turn them into stars. Trestman and Emery have created a good environment for a QB to succeed in, but there’s still some luck involved.

    With that said, I think the odds are better on free agents. There are a lot of QB FAs every year that can be had for less than $2M. So the question is this…

    If our team is not on the market for its next starting QB and only needs a backup QB. Are we better off drafting someone or signing a free agent as a plan A. Put another way: is it ever a smart move for a team like the Bears to draft their backup QB?

    • MB30SD

      somewhat tangential… I think josh is going to have a rough year in lovie’s O. Not turrible, but not last year. If he does have a really strong year, then he’ll be one of the most amazing NFL QB stories. given his history… and lovie’s ‘propensity’ for putting a decent o on the field.

      • Johnathan Wood

        I will be pretty surprised if his passer rating tops 80. Therefore, I expect him to be below-average.

    • Johnathan Wood

      the nice thing about drafting a guy is you have him for 4 years (and dirt cheap), so you don’t have to keep doing the yearly carousel like they’ve been in lately. If he gets a chance to play and looks really good, you can either keep him around or trade him.

      • NewBearInTown

        Thought about that. But what if he stinks? Rookie deals are guaranteed in the first few rounds (not sure how it works for the lower rounds). So if he’s lousy, cap concerns may force you to keep him.

        • Johnathan Wood

          rookies sign 4 year deals with a signing bonus, but it’s usually pretty small in the later rounds.

          For instance, Khaseem Greene (last years’ 4th round pick) would cost $324k in dead money if cut right now. Mills (5th round) would be $123k, while Washington (6th round) $78k.

          Any QB you draft in those rounds would not be handed a backup job without having to earn it. He would compete with a veteran, and you could easily carry 3 QBs for the year if he’s not ready yet.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Can anyone riddle me this?

            Why should we groom and drip-feed a QB? Why not let somebody else put the work in, and we just sign him in his fifth year? Here, you’re our backup. Where’s the kudos in developing a QB, and then when he’s good you have to pay him 100M anyway?

    • Big Mike

      See my post above, but hell no. Never draft a backup. QB of the future has to be in the first 2 rounds. Free Agents are out there who would improve over their average significantly in the QB friendly offense of the Bears. I don’t know about UDFAs that’s a camp arm if you ask me. Grossman in this system would do fine. He’s got the experience, the pedigree, he can move around a bit. Josh Freeman would work. Sanchez would have been phenomenal, Drafting a QB to develop, means getting someone who can eventually beat out Cutler.

  • AlbertInTucson

    Are will all excited for Kevin Costner’s new movie, THE DRAFT.

    It’s centered around the Cleveland Browns War Room activities…?

    Must be a comedy.

    • gpldan

      His love interest morphed from Susan Sarandon to Jennifer Garner.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        i’m a fan of Jennifer Garner.

      • Big Mike

        Susan Sarandon is hot, but he basically got an even hotter, newer one. Proving again that football is better than baseball.

    • MB30SD

      exactly AL. they should have called the movie, “Factory or Sadness”

  • NewBearInTown

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/09/lions-may-love-sammy-watkins-enough-to-trade-up-for-him/

    Lions trade their 1st, 2nd and 6th to the Rams to get Watkins. Good move?

    • Johnathan Wood

      moving from 10 to 2 would take more than a 2nd and 6th. Likely would take that PLUS 1st and 3rd next year, or something like that, maybe even 1sts the next 2 years.

      So while I would hate to see Watkins in Detroit, I wouldn’t mind if they gave up all that to make it happen.

      • NewBearInTown

        This year I don’t think so. Maybe it would take more than a 2nd and 6th, but everybody wants to trade down this year. Its a deep draft. And without a QB at the top, there isn’t the same draw to ask for RGIII value (two firsts and a second to move up less than 9 spots).

        But take the hypothetical I posed. The lions give up their 2nd this year and a mid-round, maybe their fourth instead of their sixth if you want. People say the Rams could have gotten more value, but that’s the deal they make.

        Good move by the Lions?

        • Johnathan Wood

          if that’s all it takes, yes. But I find it difficult to see STL accepting anything less than 2 firsts and a mid-round pick.

          • gpldan

            Lions or not Lions – the Rams are trading down out of that pick.

            Knowing the Texans have a Bortles smoke screen up help the Rams, it allows them to shop the pick to people who want Clowney or Watkins.

          • Johnathan Wood

            no trade would occur until in the draft, when a team can guarantee they have their guy there.
            I could see STL staying put and grabbing an OT or Watkins if there’s not an offer they like.

          • Big Mike

            I don’t think they trade out of that pick. The offers they get won’t come close to what they want.

          • gpldan

            I’d side bet ya Big Mike, but I dunno what to stake.

          • Big Mike

            I live near Washington DC. I win you ship me some a combo from portillos. you win, I’d ship you some good food from DC, but there isn’t any. Maybe crab cakes from Baltimore? But seriously, of all the things I miss about Chicago, the eats has to be the biggest thing. Might be adding years to my life, but damn… http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/08/foods-only-chicago-understands_n_5087204.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

      • Big Mike

        It’s a shit show move. The kind of thing that happens in the last year of a coach/GM’s contract when they think they are desperate AND think they are close. The only time you should move up at that price is for a lock of the decade type QB. (Andrew Luck is the only one I can think of). The CBA almost requires a team to fill out a large portion of its roster with guys on rookie contracts. Making that move would add 4-5 more players to the payroll not on rookie deals.

        • Johnathan Wood

          Detroit’s GM is gone if they don’t make the playoffs this year. He’s on the hot seat for sure.

          • Big Mike

            Exactly my point. Detroit is a shit show. There is no way that Watkins is worth the picks this year and next that it would take to get him. Megatron needs the ball, Golden Tate needs the ball, (is Reggie Bush still there? He needs the ball).

          • Johnathan Wood

            yep, Bush is still there, plus Joique Bell, who has 500+ receiving yards each of the last 2 years. Plus their starting TE is back and the rookie UDFA who stuck last year who they seem to really like (Fauria)

          • MB30SD

            homie can dance too.

          • Johnathan Wood

            yeah, but comparing himself to Jimmy Graham after 18 career catches seems a bit much

    • IBNO

      I think they’re blowing smoke. The Lions showed from their season last year that they need more good players. They’ve got one of the best WRs in the league already. Adding Watkins is a luxury.

      More likely, they’re making other teams (who might want Watkins) jumpy, in order to shake things up so the guy they REALLY want falls to them (maybe Gilbert).

      • gpldan

        I haven’t seen a mock yet that doesn’t have them taking Gilbert. That’s not to say it happens, I anticipate this draft will be a hoot.

        • IBNO

          That’s kinda what I’m saying. I think maybe Detroit thinks someone else will take Gilbert, and so they talk up Watkins hoping that things will shake up.

          Remember, Buffalo has the pick right ahead of Detroit, so it could be that they’ll draft a Round 3 talent and shake up the draft, or trade back to get more picks.

          One trade in the early part of the round fucks up everyone’s draft strategy.

  • Trac

    Hey Jeff, please leave this thread up for at least another day.

  • Trac

    #3

    If Marshall or Jeffrey goes down, you can’t replace them and all you can do is hope our depth will be good enough to fill in until they return. If both of them go down, oh brudda! If either of them goes down, then yes, we have enough depth to compensate I think. No worries on this one Jeff.

  • gpldan

    “I’ve seen the mock drafts, and I know the Steelers pick at 15. Most of these so called experts have me being drafted by the Bears at 14 and that’s just not going to work out for me. If I’m drafted before 15 I won’t be happy, but I won’t hold out. I know exactly what I’ll do because if it’s good enough for the pretty boy quarterbacks, it’s good enough for me. So make no mistake about it, I’ll force a trade if the Bears draft me at 14.” – Aaron Donald.

    • Johnathan Wood

      it was an April Fools article.

    • Trac

      He ain’t no Peyton Manning, I’ll say that. No way I’d waste my time picking him if I’m Emery after those comments.

      • Johnathan Wood

        not an actual quote. IT WAS A JOKE

        • Trac

          Gotcha. lol.

        • IBNO

          I was gonna say that it had better be a joke, otherwise the kid would be epically stupid. You wouldn’t want to be the linchpin of the defense of one of the greatest franchises in sport? In the #2 media market in the NFL? On a team that is a playoff contender?

          That would be dumber than dumb.

          • Johnathan Wood

            it was from Windy City Gridiron. Here’s the original article. OBVIOUSLY a joke. Anybody who wrote an article about it using this article as their source is a maroon.

            http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2014/4/1/5570360/chicago-bears-draft-aaron-donald-april-fools

          • Johnathan Wood

            the first link in that article, the “source” of the interview, is a list of April Fools day pranks. The article had an obviously facetious tone if you actually read it. People just got lazy, read a headline, and ran with it.

        • gpldan

          Oh in that case, can somebody go kick Bleacher Report in the balls?

  • MB30SD
    • Trac

      The kicker with Trestman is I guarantee he can do wonders with several prospects in the draft this year. The smart money places a bet on Emery drafting a qb this year.

      • Big Mike

        Why this year? Unless they see something. I think they cannot afford to draft a QB this year. They pick up a one year rental, next year with the 32nd pick of the first round they can draft the QB of the future.

        • Trac

          Because that’s what Emery considers an important part of the teams needs. He’s mentioned drafting one every year since he took the job.

  • Trac
    • MB30SD

      fuck man. I don’t want my kids to go to school. I’m going to start pushing kung fu lessons right now with my ex.

      Not much you can do about a crazy kid with a gun but run and hide, but dude has a knife and you’re a black belt, you at least have a shot to kick his fucking ass if you see him coming.

      Trac… when’s the apocalypse coming maings? You have any inside track info? Seems like any day now.

      • gpldan

        Herr Juden,

        People like you and I do not believe in such nonsense. Thank you for your continued investment in science and reason, your support is appreciated.

        -GP

        • MB30SD

          http://www.hark.com/clips/dmzslhrxhh-square-in-the-nuts

          …wait, in kung fu… or the apocalypse?

          Ahhhhhh the good old days: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC476565BD598F4DD

          I remember my brother and I coming down to watch kung fu theater every sunday. Pretty violent for young kids now that I reflect. Man getting old sucks… and that there’s no more KF Theater.

          • Trac

            Hahaha

        • Trac

          The wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood. Yes sir, you betcha!

          • gpldan

            Have you seen this?

            Jesus was a handsome man.

            #hottieJesus

          • Trac

            Do I need to ask forgiveness before watching that.

          • gpldan

            No, I imagine many churches will be organizing field trips to see the film.

            It’s pretty literal to the story as presented in Sunday School. It’s not borderline blasphemous like Scorsese’s film which posited that Jesus would reject his role, and it’s not as brutally sadistic as Gibson’s version, which apparently Mel felt that William Wallace’s disemboweling in Braveheart was “getting off easy” and so he wanted to show what some real painful death looked like. But Mel is batshit.

            This is a very mainstream looking film.

          • Trac

            Believe it or not, I’m not into the Church field trips and raa raa sessions.

          • gpldan

            I had you pegged as Ned Flanders.

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            Just saw Noah, Trac. Will you be viewing? Powerful movie.

          • Trac

            Not sure. Maybe if I need to be entertained in the next week or so.

          • I had a friend who attended a Catholic University. He said that in one of his classes, the professor was making them research whether Jesus was a humpback. It was an odd but fascinating idea. Doesn’t Isiah say that the messiah will be reviled or something? maybe that doesn’t pertain to the flowing locks and paul newman blues.

      • tobijohn

        Wow, that triggered an old, old memory. I couldn’t have been more than five or six at the time. I was playing in a pretty large sandbox in a park outside an apartment building of one of my mother’s friends who we had gone to visit. There was this little Oriental kid (that’s what we referred to them as way back when) on the other side of the sandbox playing with his little dump truck. Some slightly older kid comes up to him and tries to grab the truck. The little Asian kid pushes him away but the kid won’t quit and starts to go at him. So quickly, the Asian kid grabs him, flips him and leaves him lying in the sand on his back with the wind knocked out of him and then calmly goes back to playing with his dump truck. It was like magic to me, this was long before any Kung-Fu movies and I had no idea anything like that was even possible…

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        They won’t teach him self-defense at a Kung Fu school, MB. We never sparred, or did anything other than really exercise and stretch. The art of fighting without fighting yada yada ….
        …and if somebody pulls a knife on you – and you’re a blackbelt – hand them your wallet and call them ‘Sir’. Fighting against knives is for experts, kids. It’s over to Jane with the the weather ….

    • You can’t do this with a knife

      http://youtu.be/LrlUsaYlKPs

      I’m a little torn when it comes to guns. On the one hand, I can see how it should be banned entirely (see Japan, England, etc). On the other hand, I feel like it is a right that RESPONSIBLE citizens should have AND (get out the tin foil hats) I DON’T trust the government.

      I don’t read the “Turner Diaries” or anything, I just don’t trust ANY government entirely. You read history, and it’s only a matter of time before governments oppress their own citizens. I think this is what Jefferson had in mind when he said that a little revolution at least once every 20 year wouldn’t be a bad thing. Not that I advocate that, but he was a student of history too.

      The problem of course is that some citizens go bat-shit crazy and go on killing sprees which would never be possible with a knife unless you’re some sort of samurai.

      As such, I’m for strict regulation to at least make it harder for the ‘bad guys’ to get their hands on automatic weapons.

      • Trac

        I would love for guns to have transponders and ammo to be able to be tied to a buyer and a gun.

        • You know the ‘militia men’ would totally hate that. They would say something like “So now the government can track me down?”

          There’s no easy solution, that’s for sure. What I would do if I were emperor of the universe – ban guns entirely for 25 years. Yup. Just for 25 years. Everyone turn in their guns, you’ll get them back in 25. It would be a social experiment to see what kind of effect it would have on America.

          If after 25 years we see that the negatives of a gunless America outweigh the positives, then everyone gets their guns back, and business is open again.

          If however THE PEOPLE decide that a gunless America is a nicer safer place, then just extend it for another 25, like probation.

          We forget that the entire U.S. democracy was based as an experiment, an experiment that the founding fathers weren’t sure would actually last. I see no issue with extending that same premise to guns. Americans tend to be pragmatic at heart.

          Naturally, the NRA and such will argue that they don’t trust the Gov to hand the guns back after 25 years if the citizens wish so, or it’s unconstitutional period etc etc but I say we should try it and find out.

          • NewBearInTown

            Chicago had a gun ban for 25 years or so. We’re now seeing what its like when that gun ban is significantly reduced.

          • We can always try the Chris Rock bullet control method…

            http://youtu.be/VZrFVtmRXrw

          • CanadaBear

            Too easy to cast bullets and re-load your own.

          • Trac

            Do you have any stats NB?

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            I have a quandary:

            Authentic Samurai sword located in Ireland. Want that transported to other side of planet. Possible routes and methods? How quickly does this one fail? Rent a 1/2 or 1/4 container to hit the high seas, insert into bag of golf clubs.

      • bearsfantillend

        nope. don’t ban any type of weapon. I would like to be able to go down to the gun shop and buy fully automatic assault rifles, landmines, grenades and a damn RPG if i wanted, if i passed the background checks.

      • MB30SD

    • tobijohn

      That’s it, no knives either! Only those safety scissors that they give you in kindergarten will now be permitted. And I want a background check first on those as well…

  • Ososfan

    I was catching up on some of the articles I’ve missed reading. Jeff, seems Haugh is a whole and you’re most deff a great influence in my young football knowledge (as well as all you regulars) Also, AARON DONALD for pick #14 I’ve been saying this since January, I like Fulluer as round 2 guy but Donald is my favorite. How’s everyone, btw??!

    • Johnathan Wood

      Fuller is going somewhere late round 1, most likely. Almost impossible he’s there at 51.

      • Ososfan

        I’ve been reading that he might be under the radar a bit, I think he is great though. I will PRAY that he makes it to round 2 and Emery trades up….

        • Johnathan Wood

          I actually wouldn’t be shocked if he’s the guy at 14.

    • MB30SD

      Oso!

      Dix @ 14 maings. (if he’s there)

      • It’s unbelievable how much you ride Dix.

        • Ososfan

          Lmao! Wow, pure genius.

          • MB30SD

            Where you been man… this has been going on for months now.

          • Ososfan

            I had surgery on my knee, due to a car accident, due to a bum-ass,punk-ass trick drunk driver… All is good, I hope

        • MB30SD

          Dude, I LOVES me some Dix… I so badly want Dix in my backfield man. Just pushing into the line, pumping the tightend.

      • Ososfan

        Ey, if the Rams don’t take him, I wouldn’t be all the bummed of Emery pics Fix, but I think Donald would help with putting a ton of pressure on the QB. The secondary class is deeper in this draft IMO, After, Donald and Jerningan, the Dt falls way low.

  • NewBearInTown

    Since I’m starting to see the position only mock drafts posted here, I’ll
    make a couple of observations based on past years.

    1) Emery likes to double up on positions of need. In 2013, we draft two
    linebackers and two O-linemen. In 2012, we drafted two DEs and two cornerbacks.
    This year, it seems like DT and S are the obvious spots to double up.

    2) Its a safe comment that not every year, but once ever 2-3 years a
    quarterback falls into the middle rounds that manages to have a nice career for
    himself as a backup.

    3) Emery will take risks with his later picks. He draft Wilson after the whole
    combine dorm room incident. He drafted Hernandez with a criminal history and
    Hardin with an injury history.

    4) The acquisition of free agent help does not generally stop Emery from
    drafting at a position.

    5) It is clear from Emery’s drafting and spending that he is putting a serious
    emphasis on the offense as the identity of the team, but on the defense this
    year. He will go D heavy in the draft, but he won’t ignore the offense if
    there’s a long term issue to fix.

    So based on past history, (and this isn’t what I would do, this is what I think Emery might do) I predict our draft will look like this:

    Rounds 1-3: Safety, DT, offensive weapon

    Rounds 4-6: Safety, DT, defensive player at another position, offensive weapon

    Depending on who is available the order will vary, and a QB counts as an
    “offensive weapon.” Here’s a sample mock (my criteria is that
    the player must be available at our spot in Walter’s current mock.

    1- Dix (S)

    2 – Stephon Tuitt (DT)

    3 – Dri Archer (RB/WR)

    4 – Shayne Skov (LB)

    5 – Ty Zimmerman (S)

    6 – Calvin Barnett (DT)

    6 – Joe Joe Duncan (TE)

    • Johnathan Wood

      They drafted 2 DEs in 2012 (2 CBs in round 6/7 is hardly doubling down)? In 2013 they lost 2 LB, drafted 2. Lost 2 OL (Louis, Williams-Carimi/Webb gone after draft), drafted 2. Not doubling down as much as tit for tat.

      • NewBearInTown

        2 draft picks is two draft picks. He did the same thing at corner that he’s doing at safety this year. He signed a bunch of minimum salary contracts and drafted two players. He might go safety in the first round this year, but he also might just not be a believer in investing big money in the safety position.

        When you think about the injury risk, there’s something to that.

        • Johnathan Wood

          point is the only time he ever drafted 2 players for one spot was CB in round 6/7 in 2012.

          Otherwise it was 2 players for 2 spots. This year they’ve lost 1 S, 1 DT.

          • NewBearInTown

            We’ll see if I’m right in about a month.

            But if they draft two safeties, don’t come on and say “one of them is a free safety and the other is a strong safety! Two different positions!”

          • Johnathan Wood

            I could see a 2nd safety being drafted in the later rounds. But it’s far from a gimme, IMO.

          • Trac

            NBs gettin down. You go boy!

          • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

            We’ve got backups. They’ll draft one safety, high-ish.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      I think Chris Williams, the little burner on our roster, is going to be the new Hester-esque guy on the roster. He looks like Desean Jackson out there. Except that “out there” meant in Canada. He could suck balls or he could be a nice little weapon. I just don’t see them going offense at all with those pickups.

    • bearsfantillend

      Wilson was not involved with the combine dorm room incident. Wilson quit on his team that year.

    • IBNO

      Joe Joe?

      Seriously?

      Is his last name really Shabadoo?

      • NewBearInTown

        He and Kellen Clemens were quite the duo back in the day.

  • NewBearInTown

    Also, have not seen he Noah film, but read a ploy synopsis. Wow, was the real story that boring?

    It always amazes me that Hollywood feels like they’ll do a better job rewriting a story like that. Religion aside – the reason why Hollywood is making this movie is because the story of Noah’s ark is known and appreciated by millions of people. Tell the story that earned that reputation!

    • This is your chance, NB. Say, “It’s a Christian Media conspiracy!”

      • Trac

        Is that an anachronism or oxymoron?

    • Oh, and my fav story in the Hebrew Bible is Job. I would love for there to be a block buster movie about Job. It would be interesting to see how it’s treated.

      • DaMurph

        Hebrew bible? No Christain conspiracy there, Noah and Job and all the others are in there.

      • NewBearInTown

        If you actually read the book of Job (Iyov in Hebrew), about 80% consists of three people sitting around arguing about philosophy. That would probably make a better play or art film than a blockbuster. But I suppose some interesting visuals added to the discussion would be fun to watch.

        The story that needs to be made into a feature film is the book of Ester. That’s a classic.

        • Big Mike

          No man, it’s revelations. That’s some wacked out, written on peyote type bullshit

        • Yes, but the ENDING, NB. The ending! Deux Ex Machina!

      • Big Mike

        Revelations would be an acid trip…

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          A nightmarish one.

          I’ll take my trip in Eden. Hey bebbe …… whatsyourname? Eve, huh? Wanna hold it?

          • MB30SD

            By it you mean your rib right?

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      The end was pretty fucking tense NBIT – I thought I was watching something pretty powerful – well, almost. No spoilers. The Bible is not sacred to me, so just as a movie, as visual entertainment, it was entertaining. It was almost great. Interpreting and challenging the Bible, that’s where film needs to be.

      • NewBearInTown

        That’s not interpreting Irish. That’s just writing a different story and using the same names as the one in the bible.

    • MB30SD

      brutal and not very funny… but effete is a spectacular word.

    • Big Mike

      Of all the things I get aggravated with Cutler about, the whole non-vaccination thing bothers me the most. It has to be his wife driving this. Athletes are in tune with their bodies, medical practices etc. I can’t see him, being a diabetic, a professional athlete etc, not being hip to how foolish the non-vaccine movement has been proven to be. At first, it seemed like “ok, they’ve got a point”. Then the evidence stacked up to the point where it was no longer refutable. Sorry Mrs. Cutler beautiful doesn’t make you right on this.

      • Trac

        If she drinks bottled or city water then she’s vaccinated. He he.

  • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!
    • NewBearInTown

      Not following the trial very closely, but have to say I’m not a fan of the prosecutor. A lot of that stuff would not fly in an American courtroom and for good reason. All he is doing is upsetting everyone in the courtroom including the witness, without actually getting any probative evidence on record.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        i agree but i’m sure they are doing probative evidence type shit and shock and shame tactics whenever they get the chance. That’s how i would roll if i was a SA prosecuting attorney.

        • MB30SD

          …but, you’re… blek.

          (btw, that dude is NOT south african. He’s an aussie doing a bad SA accent. I’d bet money on it)

    • MB30SD

      he’s guilty maings. Bottom line, but he’ll walk.

      And yeah NB, africa ain’t america. It’s not afganistan, but it ain’t america either.

      • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

        the story just doesn’t make sense. Unless he was blacked out how could he not see the hot blonde laying next to him in his bed as he crouched down one foot away from the bad to get his gun? The answer? Because he knew he was shooting her. this is not a movie. Love , control, power, and jealousy are a powerful cocktail.

        His tears may be real but they may just be the kind that a man cries when he flies off the handle and does something that he wouldn’t have done the next day in broad daylight when he had time to cool off.

        • MB30SD

          Bingo! Nail on the head.

          But this is SA and as we know, there can’t always be real justice like in the us (right oj? Casey anthony?)

          Smfh

          • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

            lol, the only state in the union where Casey Anthony gets off is Florida. That place is backwards. If you are going to do something outlandish just make sure you do it in Florida….and ask for a jury trial. There is a 50% chance you’ll get off.

          • MB30SD

            Disgusting. she should have been publicly executed… slowly. Disgusting thing. Doing that to that beautiful little soul. I’d love to be given immunity and put in a room with her for 24 hours.

            …ok, ok, so I might kill her using… uhhhmmm… unconventional… methods, but the outcome would be the same, so what’s the difference? Right?

  • Big Mike

    What would the Bears do with Justin Gilbert in year 1? Would he be a nickel CB, a FS? Does he play specials? Is he simply depth? Could he beat out Tillman or Jennings? Then what do you do with either of them?

    Starting to feel like drafting a pure safety is the round 1 choice.

    • Johnathan Wood

      he’s not beating out Tillman or Jennings. But he could well make a few starts if one of them gets hurt.

      Besides, CBs usually take at least a year to be ready to start in the NFL, so he steps in for Tillman next year. If you draft him. I don’t think they need to go CB round 1, but it wouldn’t be terrible if there’s a guy they love there.

    • Barb UMihai Mar

      Hmmmm…what to do with a CB in a season with games against Packers x 2, Detroit x 2, New Orleans, Atlanta, New England, Bills, Dolphins ? That’s 9 games that play 3 WR as a base offense ? Letting aside the depth & future issue. I’d bet my balls that Emery picks one of the 2 best corners if the slide at 14. The question is… what if the best S is there also. The best S or the second CB on their board !? For me that’s the key off the 1st round Bears pick.

      • Trac

        He rubs his hands together….Yes this is going to hurt a little.

      • MB30SD

        Dix if he’s there, then gilbert, then maybe fuller. Fuller over mosely… hmmmm…

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          who ?

          • MB30SD

            exactly

      • Big Mike

        All you had to do was answer the question. I’m aware if who the Bears play. Do you out him at FS, Nickel, or is he “depth”

        • Barb UMihai Mar

          I don’t know the player. I The answer is ALL of those choices.

    • Trac

      I can’t see Emery draft Gilbert for next year.

  • Trac

    #8 Lance Briggs.

    Forget about it. The MLB has to be the QB of the D. Is that guy DJ Williams? Nope!!!!!

    • EnderWiggin

      Ya never know man. DJ Williams is one mean mofo.

    • Doooonnnn’t Caaaaare!

      DJ was the starting MLB and WIL of the Broncos for almost a decade Trac.

      • Trac

        Exactly Johnny but it’s hard to the leader of the D in the training room. If we get a great year out of him I’ll be a believer.

        • MB30SD

          http://www.nfl.com/player/d.j.williams/2505975/careerstats

          Dude is a leader, if he hadn’t gotten injured last year, he would be the man this year… in my HO as data likes to say.

          • Trac

            I wonder if history will remember him for than in ’13.

            .

          • MB30SD

            Sheeesh. Harsh. You an old book fan is it?

          • Trac

            No. I just know he on the way out and I’m ready for Mosely. Out with the old and bring in the new.

          • MB30SD

            Next year when conte is not still our starting fsafety dude. You move up by any means nec and take the best I’m imlb available in Rd 1… and he has to be a kuekly level dude.

            Dix at 14 is my new battle cry.

            I LOVE ME SOME DIIIIIXXXXX!!!!

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Were they a feared LB corps?

  • NewBearInTown

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/09/more-signs-point-to-lions-trading-up-for-sammy-watkins/

    Some rather tenuous writing in the article. But the main assertion is that Calvin Johnson should have been the #1 pick in the 2007 draft. He was picked second after the Raiders took JaMarcus Russell (ouch).

    But also in the draft were Adrian Peterson, Joe Thomas, Derelle Revis and Patrick Willis. It was a really
    good draft…

    So if you’re the Raiders picking first overall, who do you take?

    • Shady

      Peterson.

      • Yup. I’d take Peterson too. Only the Vikings (and I suppose the Lions and Browns) could find a way to keep Peterson without a SB ring.

        I mean, honestly, how in the world can you not win a shit load of games with AP? It’s like winning the Powerball and still get shot down by strippers. It’s a feat worthy of some Darwin Award.

        • MB30SD

          excellent analogy.

        • Johnathan Wood

          look at the QBs he’s had. That’s how.

          The only year he’s had a competent QB in his career was that one year with Favre, when they were going to the SB if AP doesn’t get a sudden case of the fumbles in the NFCCG.

          • I remember that game. Felt bad for AP, but not the Vikes. That probably still haunts him. But that’s what I’m saying, if he even had a Dilfer and a somewhat competent coaching staff, AP would have rings.

          • Cormonster

            He had Brett Favre as his QB that year. It was one of Favre’s best seasons statistically, with Bevell as his OC. Luckily they choked in the biggest game of the year.

  • I’m dragging this discussion from the bottom. Hypothetical.

    IF Singlatary went down in the SB run, while Wilber Marshall and Otis Wilson lead that team to a SB, would CHI revere Marshall/Wilson MORE than Singletary because of that one SB?

    Now ask yourself, would a SB ring put Briggs over Lach in the hearts of superfans?

    • Trac

      No. Not unless the D gets visited by the tall whites and are mind melded into believing they are the 85 Bears.

      • I think Jeff, and a few others, were implying that a ring wins fans. It does, but to an extent. Briggs was always mercurial, so no way a ring suddenly makes him a legend.

        Moss could have won 10 rings, but I bet Viking fans would still like Peterson more than Moss.

        Look at Waddle. He’s still a fan favorite over Gault. WADDLE.

        • Trac

          I agree with you.

        • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

          Helluvareciver. Just caught the ball when it was thrown at him.

    • NewBearInTown

      Briggs doesn’t have enough time left in his career to supplant Lach.
      Know who does? Tim Jennings. He’s been our #2 corner for a few years, solid but not spectacular. Had a great run in 2012 with a bunch of picks in the first half of the season. But so far hasn’t emerged as a true leader. If Peanut and Briggs walk away after this season, he will be the old man in the locker room and he just signed a new deal. A good season this year and the right attitude in the locker room next year? This defense could belong to him. He just has to step up and take it.

      • MB30SD

        I like that NB.

  • And I have a blog question. I was going to buy some shoes, and I started talking to the sales woman. We were chit-chatting, shooting the breeze, and she even told me that she would probably buy the shoes I was looking at elsewhere. Not exactly trying to reel me in. However, she then said that they may get some new styles soon, and that if I wanted, I could call to find out. She then precedes to hand me a card, then personally writes her name on the card, and says “Ask for me.”

    So my question is – is that a signal to call the store and ask her out, or is that just professional courtesy? She could have just given me the card without her name, right? I don’t exactly want to call up the store, ask for her, feign interest in the shoes, then ask her out only to get shot down.

    Anyhow, she was alright. She wasn’t mind-blowing hot, but just wanna get a blog opinion on the matter.

    • NewBearInTown

      She wants you to ask for her so she can get her commission.

      • MB30SD

        Hahahahahaha…

      • The voice of reason lol

      • Shady

        Having worked in retail, that’s exactly what I was thinking. You probably would have gotten the cell digits had she wanted to really bang bang you. That’s not to say you couldn’t try to use a possible sale as leverage to get a date. Try something like, “How’s about I buy these shoes if I can buy you a drink?” And then give her a REALLY creepy wink and smile.

        Works all the time. Right, MB?

        • MB30SD

          ALL the fucking time.

          And of course you have experience giving your number to guys (NTTAWWT). Now run off and get me those 6 shares of google I asked for.

      • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

        Let’s get the guy squared away first …..

    • MB30SD

      Go back in to try them on maings. Just make sure she’s there first.

      Jesus, you better get down here soon for a bootcamp weekend. I can see you’re getting rusty.

      • That’s what I was thinking. What am I saying, OF COURSE she wanted me, who woudn’t mind the ole in-out in-out from Butch. Look at my avatar, I’m one suave motherfucker.

        Eh. I might just call. Like I said, she wasn’t exactly a 9, but a girl who’s willing gets a few extra points.

        • MB30SD

          Exactly maings. They all want you… no matter what. You’re so fucking money baby!

          Come fucking on maings! Oh, btw, I only know you from here, but we’re going to Vegas for memorial day weekend. Going to be sick. Interested?

          • MB30SD

            gotta bring your fucking a-game. Have 3-5 chick (friends) going with… instant cred. Mandalay pool all day, whatevers by night. Money baby.

          • That actually sounds pretty fucking awesome. You got my gmail too, so you can hit me up there too. Haven’t been to Vegas in a while. My first one night stand was in Vegas. I was porking her on the floor, and RIGHT when I finished and we put on our clothes, the rest of my drunk friends barged in. Talk about good timing…

          • MB30SD

            I don’t… do i?

            You’d be welcome maings. Going to be a good crew of about 4 playas (including my main wingman and my brother – both of whom bring mad game) and those chicks. All the chicks are friends, so you’re welcome to work whomever you want.

            What’s your email. Looking like the friday to mond at this point. Should be insane, bring a wing if you don’t feel comfortable coming alone, but I’ll make sure you’re always included in everything regardless. Pretty sure you’re not an asshole at this point.

          • Like this guy?
            http://timeisneverwasted.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2013/04/20130421-071105.jpg

            Yeah, you sent me a gmail once during FF season. I don’t exactly like giving my email over the interwebs. But, GP should have my gmail too since he always shoots down all my trade offers in FF lol Maybe ask him. GP, you out there?

            If not, I’ll shoot it over to you on a “dead thread”. That way, only you and Irish will have it.

          • MB30SD

            Hahahaha….

            Right. Was it a yahoo email (mine)? Look through your stuff and see if you can find it. I don’t have GP’s actually. I have murph’s, rabbit’s, Doc’s (and used to have yonny;s but it’s gone for some reason… send me a text yonny, now that I’m back in the game, you can live vicariously if you’d like). And I talk to shady couple times a week in CODG, but he’s a weirdo and is worried about actually talking to any of us.

            Oh, I also have NB’s email. Any of those shared connections?

          • You know what. I’ll give it here. Then EDIT IT out when you got it. It’ll be a brief window, like an upskirt shot.

            Here it is (just add gmail.com at the end since this site links it)

            Let me know when you got it, and I’ll edit this post.

          • MB30SD

            sorry. got it. sent you a shout out.

          • Good cuz I edited it out. Don’t need DATA spamming me with android porn!

            (Love ya data!)

    • Cormonster

      Merrell makes a great shoe. I should know. I work outside for a living, and comfortable feet is a must. What were you talking about?

      • I actually wanted to buy some 8-hole Doc Martins (which I haven’t owned in years). Sadly, most of the Docs are now made in Taiwan, not England, which is what I was looking for. The “For Life” Docs are just that – they’re for life, and if anything goes wrong with them, they fix them in Oregon for free, or replace them – for the rest of your life, which is pretty cool. But they didn’t have the ones I wanted there, hence her telling me to call back.

        I have some other boots for hiking, outdoor working, etc, but I tend to destroy those, so am not too picky about the brand. Maybe next time I’ll check out the Merrells, Corm. Are they steel toe? Thanks for the heads up.

        • Cormonster

          They are kind of like a “hiking” tennis shoe, but I wear them for every day use because they are comfortable and durable. I used to exclusively wear skater shoes for work and play for the same reason until I found this brand. I don’t wear steel toe ever. There is no such thing as a comfortable steel toe boot or shoe.

          • Yeah, I know. Steel toes are nice esp when I’m doing shit like lifting 60 pound cement bags and the such, but they’re not comfortable like you said, so I use some old combat boot Harleys for that stuff, but they’re nearly worn out after like 15 years. I’ll def check out the Merrell.

          • Cormonster

            After 27 years of working outside in all kinds of weather, these are the best shoes I’ve ever had. Overlooked, but one of the great qualities is the heel is indestructible. I have to re-tie a shoe about once a month. Normally I just slip them on and off. You want my phone number?

          • MB30SD

            Easy now big fella… that may work with the ladies….

          • Jokey

            lol!

    • You guys want to know the funny part? I went to a different shoe store and the DUDE salesmen (who was flaming) asked me for my number to call me when my size arrived.

      Fuck cupid.com, I’m just going to go around pretending to buy boots from shoe stores with hot chicks.

      • MB30SD

        naw man. I’m back online and it’s a deluge. do it.

        Of course if you like dudes asking for your number, there’s NWWT.

        • haha yeah, I’ll get online dating, eventually. I hung out with a girl today I met at a cafe, like the 18th century man that I am. One of my best buds actually met his now wife online. Actually, TWO of my friends met their current wives online, now that I think of it.

          Maybe I won’t go online lol I see some of those crazy bitches “profiles” and it scares me more than the Unibomber Manifesto. JESUS CHRIST.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      She want’s your cock up her ass … now.

    • DaMurph

      She may get commission on sales, so after spending time with you she would obviously like to reap the profit

  • Cormonster

    Last weekend before the Final 4 started, I crunched some numbers that I haven’t seen anywhere else. Weird stat: in 6 seasons Matt Forte has rushed for 6,666 yards.

    Anyways, I looked into total average yards per season of some of the top current running backs in the NFL during their careers. This includes rushing and receiving. I didn’t take injuries into account, just production per year average.

    Adrian Peterson: 1,687 per season.

    Matt Forte: 1,597.5 per season.

    Shady McCoy: 1,520 per season.

    Marshawn Lynch: 1,115 per season.

    Frank Gore: 1,415 yards per season.

    Jamaal Charles: 1,300 yards per season.

    My conclusion: Forte has been a great value and a top back in the league his entire career. After Peterson and Gore, I think Forte is comparable at this point in his career with the rest of the guys. Peterson wins on touchdowns by a big margin. Gore has done it longer. But, over the life of his career, Peterson only averages 5.6 more yards per game than Matt Forte.

    Take what you will from this. Personally, I think Forte has many good years left. He’s obviously a workout warrior, and he’s only missed 5 games. He is a tough dude who played his entire 2nd season with a knee injury and never complained or used that as an excuse.

    • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

      YPA, that’s all that really matters. That’s why for one play in one game, when it matters most, you put Bo in.

    • Trac

      Most of Forte’s stats were because we had no passing game for years. Stills great back though. Of all the players on that list, Shady McCoy is the one I’m scared of the most if I’m a DC.

  • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

    Anybody watch that Chris Williams video up on hole #7 there? Damn that kid is special. He’s got a motor on him, he’s got great hands, he’s a badass returner. Looks like he was born in the slot. He’s our slot receiver/punt returner. Search over. We have one badass receiving roster, and we just committed highway robbery and got away with the Saints’ starting Center.

    Running backs?

    WE DON’T NEED NO STEEEENKING RUNNING BACKS !!!

    (God bless the team that beats us in 2015 – ‘cos they’ll be a good one)

  • Irish Sweetness 4 StephTuitt

    Remember when heavy metal was invented? Remember Cream?

    http://putlocker.bz/watch-beware-of-mr-baker-online-free-putlocker.html

    Enjoy.

  • Trac

    #9. RB

    Frank Gore 3rd rd
    James Starks 6th rd
    Etc, etc, etc.

    Running backs are hiding under every rock and if Emery wants one, he’ll find one.

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